Really appreciate this content. I would like if you would also show spots where you either fold pre-flop or on the check/fold on the flop in situations where you think a lot of 1/2 players would normally call or raise. Yeah the big hands are nice, but the content I'm looking for is spots that you often think are misplayed by regs/rec players and why you took the line you did.
Great video! I liked the topic you covered about showing vs being a rules nit. I totally agree that in a live game your bb/hour is greatly increased by playing friendly and sweet with the fellow fish on a table. Showing headsup, playing along with a straddle, and chopping, are all -EV online, but we aren’t playing online at the casino. By playing along with these things on the table, I will often see a fish reload an extra time or two instead of shove-leaving. The fish just want to have fun playing poker, and as frequent fliers, its our job to provide that for them. (While taking our +EV fee ofc)
Love your willingness to say "I *think* and *hope* I made this play off a timing tell". Too many people (self included!) apply motivated reasoning to that kind of self-evaluation.
Oh snap! I live in NC too! Don't worry, the winters are pretty mild nowadays. Years back they could get pretty bad, but really the only super cold month I'd say is February.
Hi there - Welcome to the Carolinas. I just came across your channel and just catching up on some of your Vlogs. I get to play at Harrah's Cherokee but not as often as I would really like to. It's about a 3 hr drive for me.
Lol when you checked the KQ on the river I scared some people near me when I said "WHAT!?!?!!?" I was like wtf I learned to bet this from you dude! Lol. But, instincts exist too. So, there ya go.
I learn sooo mch from you, thank you. IMO you defiantly should have AT LEAST considered shoving on the river with A7 Diamonds. When he showed weakness it wa an automatic shove. Unless you were viewed as a maniac.
Cheers! He was never folding a J (or any pair imo), so I didn't see the shove doing anything other than getting hands my Ace-high already beats to fold. Just imo of course.
Been watching your vids for a while and just now realized you in NC. I work at harrahs murphy, we are about to have a big expansion that will include a brand new poker room! Hope to see you there!
It is about 1.5hr west of Cherokee, "Harrah's Valley River". Expansion is just beginning so it will actually be a while before the poker room is available. Really cool you are in the area, I hope you and the family like it here!
Great stuff. I never feel shame in poker. If I happen to look silly that is fine because figure it will get more action in the future. Though I understand your point.
Have you discussed your life plan anywhere? In a prior vlog or elsewhere? I’ve discarded the RV fantasy so many times - I’m fascinated to know what your experiences were!
Lol... North Carolina isn't as bad as Florida, but it gets pretty dang hot around here, too... You will have a few more options in the not too distant future... the Danville, VA casino is coming soon as well as the Bristol, VA Hard Rock - which is open now in their temp location, but no poker...
A7s hand: Your $100 Call on the Turn is wrong. At that point you’re risking $130 total to win $212 profit, which is only 1.6x your $130-investment. You would need to profit at least $260 at that point to make that a reasonable Call, but even that would gambling until your profit is over $260 there. Calling there is giving your oppo a better investment & you’re hoping to get lucky.
Another great vlog, thanks so much for putting these out there, very informative and helpful. I really enjoy your teaching style. And welcome to North Carolina! I get over to Cherokee when I can, the new poker room is pretty nice. Not sure if you're a beer guy, but if so I'd be glad to buy you one at Wicked Weed as a small token of thanks for your insights over the past few years!
What will you be doing for vlog footage in cherokee? I know they are pretty strict with recording in there. I'll definitely be looking out for you too!
As usual I agree with...... almost every play. Except for the first hand. I would have probably called there with top pair. Of course SPR is sort of an issue there, but going with my read, I think villain has way too many draws in his range for me to fold here. I would have probably put him on ace high. But then again, I´m not a pro.....
Welcome to NC, what area are you in? Haven't played Harrah's, Maryland is the same hours drive for me from the beach. There's a small card room in Richmond VA I want to check out soon.
you are lucky with your KK play. The board is pretty wet...I got my AA cracked when a 74 called my and the flop came 74x ...I shoved they called I lost...It would be nice to know why you would do what you did.the reason behind your move.
Hey split great video and thumbs up thx for all the hard work your doing much appreciated keep up the great work and by the way did you go to the WSOP this year and if yes how did you do ?
Man when you have the Time you should run the Numbers on that First Hand, that happens to me a lot and I tend to commit, sometimes they have draws but I’m not sure if I should just call and see the river, commit or like you did and just fold
In the A7dd hand, what if they bet closer to 2/3 or full pot? I guess the caller in between would give you better odds. I find myself facing bigger bets in multi way pots in position with draws like this
Showing your hand first.. I like it because it shows confidence, I know I am ahead, Got YA!!! Sometimes however, I really want to see what garbage they are playing.... mostly show first..
I’m kinda mixed on the showing early thing. Information is important. I wouldn’t take it to the degree of forcing someone to show or muck though. If they start being sheepish or announce they missed/ace high, etc. fine to roll it over and move on rather than wasting time, and knowing they shipped light vs getting coolered is info enough. Also if you flop the nuts I think showing right away is fine. Obviously this only goes for calling all-in. If you make the bet I’m a fan of just showing right away in all spots since you’re supposed to anyway. Curious if this also more of a consideration in smaller games or if you feel similarly in bigger games too.
Okay I had to pause here at 15:06. You have KhQs. The flop is QdQh8d. Both check and you decide to c bet 35. In this situation more often than not I also check. I know another diamond could come and give a villain a flush. BUT if it is say an As. Then one of the villains leads into the pot. You have them right where you want them and stand to win stacks. I know gto and all the books and poker coaching sites say you should bet there. But why? When you flop a set something like 75-80% of the time that set is still going to be good at showdown. If it's obvious a bet is going to get both opponents to fold then why bet in that spot? This is a concept I still have trouble wrapping my head around.
Afaik, as preflop raiser on the button a standard c bet frequency can look like around 60-70%. Given board texture, two players behind, a bet here seems to make sense for that given frequency. checking behind and raising the turn is very suspicious on paired board so i think better to protect against draws and maximize value on pocket pairs and overpairs on the flop, although as always, it depends. fyi that hand was trips, not a set (set is when you have pocket pair and you hit)
I don't agree with showing first here. This is a player that took an aggressive action and you also don't have any info on them. I need to see that hand! I'll push my covered cards forward and look at them. If they start doing the head roll or they say they missed or some such then sure I'll go ahead and show first. But I'm not just auto-showing...
90% of the time I show quickly....however....when someone is trying to be brash and talking smack...yeah I can get petty!! But like I said, that takes a special kinda someone to get me to that point as I am decently composed at the table.
Great video. the A7 suited hand should've been a turn fold. You had 12 outs which doesn't justify calling a $100 bet on a wet board. In the KQ offsuit hand, his turn bet was quite large for a 1/2 game at $100. At this point, I would have folded because he probably had at least two pair. Your only hope wouldn't have been to go all in on the river when he checked over to you. Just my thoughts!
Against villains perceived range (in this specific spot, a middling J) he needed approx 2:1 to make the turn-call breakeven. He was getting 2.4:1. I don't hate it. 14 outs (opposed to 12). Any A, any 7, any diamond. Around 30% equity. 7s 7h 2d 4d 5d 6d 8d 9d Td Qd Kd Ac As Ah As for the KQ, super-aggro villain taken into consideration, it's fairly standard. If you are folding all turn bets (lets say pot) with TPGK to a super-agro you may be folding too much. That being said I am going solely off of OP's narrative/perception here, so who knows.
Disagree with not playing by the rules and showing first as the caller. 1. You’re denying yourself valuable info on how they play when you don’t see the bettor’s cards 2. You’re voluntarily giving up info on how you play (if KK had been 2nd best you could muck w/o showing 3. You’re NOtT forcing them to show; they can just muck. 4- if they muck then you don’t have to show (see 2 above) 5. Slow roll? Don’t cater to stupid attitudes, KK was not the nuts 6. Taking up time? Where I play the bettor who doesn’t want to show hesitates for maybe 2 seconds max, realizes they have to do the right thing, and shows or mucks. For me, there’s no way all the benefits of 1-5 above are outweighed by any theoretical time savings. As far as I’m concerned any called bettor who doesn’t want to show is angling. Let’s not encourage that.
FWIW, I approach this differently vs. fish than regs. And it's not just time savings I'm focused on, but also seat preservation and keeping the environment more friendly to the person currently in that seat =)
James: I'm fine with the KK 3 bet flat. 4 betting live means KK+ and anticipating HU, there is no reason to broadcast the strength of your hand. I am NOT ok with you not making the V show his hand first. And I'm surprised you are, considering how much money I have paid you for hand reading labs, range workbooks, etc. You have been diligent on making sure we pay attention to hands being tabled and not watching tiktoks etc. while we play. i really want to see what hand this klown shoves with. If its not a big deal, is it too late to get a refund $$$ LOL.
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Really appreciate you putting out the small stakes content with so much analysis. A lot more helpful and applicable for most of us, I think!
Cheers Grace! That's the goal, even though the views are much lower on smaller stakes content =(
Completely agree showing quick. You nailed it, on with the game!
Onward!
Really appreciate this content. I would like if you would also show spots where you either fold pre-flop or on the check/fold on the flop in situations where you think a lot of 1/2 players would normally call or raise. Yeah the big hands are nice, but the content I'm looking for is spots that you often think are misplayed by regs/rec players and why you took the line you did.
I'll be sure to throw a few of those in future sessions too, thanks Trenton!
Great video! I liked the topic you covered about showing vs being a rules nit. I totally agree that in a live game your bb/hour is greatly increased by playing friendly and sweet with the fellow fish on a table. Showing headsup, playing along with a straddle, and chopping, are all -EV online, but we aren’t playing online at the casino. By playing along with these things on the table, I will often see a fish reload an extra time or two instead of shove-leaving. The fish just want to have fun playing poker, and as frequent fliers, its our job to provide that for them. (While taking our +EV fee ofc)
Nicely said =)
Yes!! +EV to be a friendly & fun tablemate!! I even buy them a drink sometimes after I win & they stick around!
Love your willingness to say "I *think* and *hope* I made this play off a timing tell". Too many people (self included!) apply motivated reasoning to that kind of self-evaluation.
Rule #1 Always take every hand personally. Rule #2 Always make every hand personal. Got it! Thanks SS!
Thanks for the multi-reasons on showing quickly vs forcing to see opponent's losing shove hand. 👍👍
Oh snap! I live in NC too! Don't worry, the winters are pretty mild nowadays. Years back they could get pretty bad, but really the only super cold month I'd say is February.
Love your philosophy as much as your advice.
Cheers Benjamin!
Another perfect playing game thank you so much for your hard work to show us your way of how you see the game.
Cheers Georgi!
Hi there - Welcome to the Carolinas. I just came across your channel and just catching up on some of your Vlogs. I get to play at Harrah's Cherokee but not as often as I would really like to. It's about a 3 hr drive for me.
Thanks for the warm welcome James! If you ever spot me at Cherokee don't hesitate to say 'hello' =)
Thank you
You're welcome!
Love this videos. Thanks James
You're very welcome Giovani! There's a new VLOG episode coming out tomorrow too 👍
agree with your third rule 1000%
Cheers John!
Lol when you checked the KQ on the river I scared some people near me when I said "WHAT!?!?!!?" I was like wtf I learned to bet this from you dude! Lol. But, instincts exist too. So, there ya go.
thx for your videos....really good job
You're very welcome, and thank you for the kind words!
I learn sooo mch from you, thank you. IMO you defiantly should have AT LEAST considered shoving on the river with A7 Diamonds. When he showed weakness it wa an automatic shove. Unless you were viewed as a maniac.
Cheers! He was never folding a J (or any pair imo), so I didn't see the shove doing anything other than getting hands my Ace-high already beats to fold. Just imo of course.
Do you post when you're going to Harrahs? It's a 3-hour drive but effectively my local casino.
Been watching your vids for a while and just now realized you in NC. I work at harrahs murphy, we are about to have a big expansion that will include a brand new poker room! Hope to see you there!
Cheers Cody! Where is Harrah's Murphy? (Google results made it seem the same as Cherokee, which I can't assume is the case)
It is about 1.5hr west of Cherokee, "Harrah's Valley River". Expansion is just beginning so it will actually be a while before the poker room is available. Really cool you are in the area, I hope you and the family like it here!
Loving the weather so far (waaaaaaay better than Florida in the summer, lol). Thanks for the HU, please let me know when it's almost opened!
Great stuff. I never feel shame in poker. If I happen to look silly that is fine because figure it will get more action in the future. Though I understand your point.
Cheers!
For cash games I never show until the river, regardless of position. Tournaments are different and I always try to follow the rules.
Have you discussed your life plan anywhere? In a prior vlog or elsewhere? I’ve discarded the RV fantasy so many times - I’m fascinated to know what your experiences were!
Do you have a rack of questions? I could possibly do a video since I haven't really discussed it at all prior to this video.
Love it!
Thanks Shrey!
Lol... North Carolina isn't as bad as Florida, but it gets pretty dang hot around here, too... You will have a few more options in the not too distant future... the Danville, VA casino is coming soon as well as the Bristol, VA Hard Rock - which is open now in their temp location, but no poker...
We need more live poker!
A7s hand: Your $100 Call on the Turn is wrong. At that point you’re risking $130 total to win $212 profit, which is only 1.6x your $130-investment. You would need to profit at least $260 at that point to make that a reasonable Call, but even that would gambling until your profit is over $260 there. Calling there is giving your oppo a better investment & you’re hoping to get lucky.
Another great vlog, thanks so much for putting these out there, very informative and helpful. I really enjoy your teaching style.
And welcome to North Carolina! I get over to Cherokee when I can, the new poker room is pretty nice. Not sure if you're a beer guy, but if so I'd be glad to buy you one at Wicked Weed as a small token of thanks for your insights over the past few years!
Much appreciated Gregory! I don't drink, but I like a cold glass of water =)
What will you be doing for vlog footage in cherokee? I know they are pretty strict with recording in there. I'll definitely be looking out for you too!
They are. I'm trying to see if they will allow a "private" recorded game =)
Do you even show bluffs quickly?
As usual I agree with...... almost every play.
Except for the first hand.
I would have probably called there with top pair. Of course SPR is sort of an issue there, but going with my read, I think villain has way too many draws in his range for me to fold here. I would have probably put him on ace high.
But then again, I´m not a pro.....
Cheers! So your plan is to call turn and get sticky on any non-A or 5 river?
@@ThePokerBank probably, yeah. Look, I told you, I'm not a pro. 😅🤷♂️
There is a ring event this year at NC Harris maybe see u there
say hello if you do!
Welcome to NC, what area are you in? Haven't played Harrah's, Maryland is the same hours drive for me from the beach. There's a small card room in Richmond VA I want to check out soon.
Around Asheville, so about an hour from Cherokee. And thanks Scott!
I live in upstate sc
How often do you go up there?
you are lucky with your KK play. The board is pretty wet...I got my AA cracked when a 74 called my and the flop came 74x ...I shoved they called I lost...It would be nice to know why you would do what you did.the reason behind your move.
I play at Harrah's Cherokee every week, hope to see you out there soon
I was just there last weekend and will be there during the upcoming circuit event too. Say hi if you see me!
@@ThePokerBank circuit event starts today, you playing in it?
Hey split great video and thumbs up thx for all the hard work your doing much appreciated keep up the great work and by the way did you go to the WSOP this year and if yes how did you do ?
Cheers Devion! No WSOP for me this year, too busy with projects and family stuff
Man when you have the Time you should run the Numbers on that First Hand, that happens to me a lot and I tend to commit, sometimes they have draws but I’m not sure if I should just call and see the river, commit or like you did and just fold
It's super assumption dependent - so easy to come up with assumptions that make it great, terrible, or neutral.
In the A7dd hand, what if they bet closer to 2/3 or full pot? I guess the caller in between would give you better odds. I find myself facing bigger bets in multi way pots in position with draws like this
Still calling when the caller in between calls too (jeez, that sentence sucked, lol)
James, I do play Harrah's Cherokee. Are you near by? Really appreciate all your content. Just subscribed to redchip
Not anymore, I moved out of NC earlier this year. I hope you're enjoying RCP!
Showing your hand first..
I like it because it shows confidence, I know I am ahead, Got YA!!!
Sometimes however, I really want to see what garbage they are playing....
mostly show first..
At least in NC you won't have to play with them rat gnawed chips from Orange City FL any more Legend 🤣 Cheers from Aus 🇦🇺👍
I won't miss those chips, lol
I’m kinda mixed on the showing early thing. Information is important. I wouldn’t take it to the degree of forcing someone to show or muck though. If they start being sheepish or announce they missed/ace high, etc. fine to roll it over and move on rather than wasting time, and knowing they shipped light vs getting coolered is info enough. Also if you flop the nuts I think showing right away is fine. Obviously this only goes for calling all-in. If you make the bet I’m a fan of just showing right away in all spots since you’re supposed to anyway.
Curious if this also more of a consideration in smaller games or if you feel similarly in bigger games too.
So when do you not want to show first then?
@@webpkric a situation like this one, I’d like to have an idea what he’s making these huge squeezes with.
Would it matter if he showed 99 or A2? Either way, the preflop blunder is so massive it's not like we get great intel very often imo.
Okay I had to pause here at 15:06. You have KhQs. The flop is QdQh8d. Both check and you decide to c bet 35. In this situation more often than not I also check. I know another diamond could come and give a villain a flush. BUT if it is say an As. Then one of the villains leads into the pot. You have them right where you want them and stand to win stacks. I know gto and all the books and poker coaching sites say you should bet there. But why? When you flop a set something like 75-80% of the time that set is still going to be good at showdown. If it's obvious a bet is going to get both opponents to fold then why bet in that spot? This is a concept I still have trouble wrapping my head around.
Afaik, as preflop raiser on the button a standard c bet frequency can look like around 60-70%. Given board texture, two players behind, a bet here seems to make sense for that given frequency. checking behind and raising the turn is very suspicious on paired board so i think better to protect against draws and maximize value on pocket pairs and overpairs on the flop, although as always, it depends. fyi that hand was trips, not a set (set is when you have pocket pair and you hit)
I don't agree with showing first here. This is a player that took an aggressive action and you also don't have any info on them. I need to see that hand! I'll push my covered cards forward and look at them. If they start doing the head roll or they say they missed or some such then sure I'll go ahead and show first. But I'm not just auto-showing...
You aren't alone in that, and you're totally within the rules to do so =)
I really don't understand why you would not get the guy to show to see what he was betting $75 with?
Speed + keep weak players happier/involved longer
90% of the time I show quickly....however....when someone is trying to be brash and talking smack...yeah I can get petty!! But like I said, that takes a special kinda someone to get me to that point as I am decently composed at the table.
Totally fair =)
why not make the villain show their hand? that way you know what they're shoving with. Otherwise you're giving away free information.
Great video. the A7 suited hand should've been a turn fold. You had 12 outs which doesn't justify calling a $100 bet on a wet board. In the KQ offsuit hand, his turn bet was quite large for a 1/2 game at $100. At this point, I would have folded because he probably had at least two pair. Your only hope wouldn't have been to go all in on the river when he checked over to you. Just my thoughts!
I appreciate your thoughts =)
Against villains perceived range (in this specific spot, a middling J) he needed approx 2:1 to make the turn-call breakeven. He was getting 2.4:1. I don't hate it.
14 outs (opposed to 12). Any A, any 7, any diamond. Around 30% equity.
7s 7h 2d 4d 5d 6d 8d 9d Td Qd Kd Ac As Ah
As for the KQ, super-aggro villain taken into consideration, it's fairly standard. If you are folding all turn bets (lets say pot) with TPGK to a super-agro you may be folding too much. That being said I am going solely off of OP's narrative/perception here, so who knows.
2 words: implied odds
Disagree with not playing by the rules and showing first as the caller.
1. You’re denying yourself valuable info on how they play when you don’t see the bettor’s cards
2. You’re voluntarily giving up info on how you play (if KK had been 2nd best you could muck w/o showing
3. You’re NOtT forcing them to show; they can just muck.
4- if they muck then you don’t have to show (see 2 above)
5. Slow roll? Don’t cater to stupid attitudes, KK was not the nuts
6. Taking up time? Where I play the bettor who doesn’t want to show hesitates for maybe 2 seconds max, realizes they have to do the right thing, and shows or mucks.
For me, there’s no way all the benefits of 1-5 above are outweighed by any theoretical time savings.
As far as I’m concerned any called bettor who doesn’t want to show is angling. Let’s not encourage that.
Oh, yeah, forgot: Thanks for the content and I gave you a thumbs up as requested
FWIW, I approach this differently vs. fish than regs. And it's not just time savings I'm focused on, but also seat preservation and keeping the environment more friendly to the person currently in that seat =)
tyty!
James: I'm fine with the KK 3 bet flat. 4 betting live means KK+ and anticipating HU, there is no reason to broadcast the strength of your hand. I am NOT ok with you not making the V show his hand first. And I'm surprised you are, considering how much money I have paid you for hand reading labs, range workbooks, etc. You have been diligent on making sure we pay attention to hands being tabled and not watching tiktoks etc. while we play. i really want to see what hand this klown shoves with. If its not a big deal, is it too late to get a refund $$$ LOL.
There's a lot to balance when it comes to live, especially the environment created/retained for fishy players that you have direct position on =)