Christoph's statement is thoughtfull and well crafted. I've been a Rammstein fan since the band released their first album, I was just a kid in the midst of my musical awakening, so their music means a lot to me. Above of all, fairness and justice must prevail, the alledge victims deserve to be heard and Till has the right to defend his innocence and reputation.
10/10! Best way for a band to make a response to these allegations. We shouldnt slander or attack the accusers. Everyone has their own perception as we all should be entitled to. All while still having Till's back in a smooth, logical way. Great band, love this encouraging response.
@@andreagruber5813 What makes you think you know better than a band member what he should and shouldn't say about this? Anyone who has been following the band for some years could observe that Till did just that. He got lost in his alter ego more and more. And that's also an explanation for the fact that everything has now reached the point of escalation - it was just a question of time. Ignoring this does not help him. Christoph proves to be wise and mature to address this subject and at the same time to strengthen Till's back.
@@genixirl I only say, that it also could be in another way and well I follow the band since 1997 and I also know more than you think about toxic people. And toxic people, do exactly that. separat you from others. Lindemann can hardly say no and is too friendly. Believe it or not, I do not give a sh..... I know what I know and I see what I see. I also know someone, who knows Lindemann much better and as I asked this person, if it would be possible, that person said, that such once (toxic people) would hit the jackpot with Till, because he is too friendly in does not want to see the bad side of people. So, what now? Why I am not allowed about my opinion. Only because YOU SAY IT? SCREW YOU!! I have my own sources and that is all I am telling you!
There have been several allegation of sexual assault though. Obviously its impossible to say for sure before the investigation and possible trial are concluded.
@@whyisyes3957 not only from the perspective of the alleged victims. But if the allegations are true there have been a bunch of other people involved as well. Everyone complicit needs to be investigated and, if guilty, go away for a long time.
@@SpielkindFR Famous male figures in media get accused of SA all the time. Most we don't even hear about....Plus, a good judge can sniff out a gold-digger....
This is the way in which an adult deals with a situation as delicate as this. Let the authorities finish their investigations and determine if Till Lindemann is guilty of something or if it is a case of defamation. In either case, let the law fall with all its weight against whoever has done something against the rules within our modern society.
The whole affair is not as zero and one as it looks. What you describe above is the criminal part around drugs and non-consent and in this case the authorities investigate and in the case they decide to go to court, a judge will decide in due process about guilt. Then there is the part, where the public is having a discourse about the morality around a public figure (T. Lindemann, 60) and a system of pushing young girls in a situation having sexual acitivities with him (details below). The public is not heterogene. Some parts of the public might decide to punish Lindemann and/or Rammstein with disregard and bans. Others might not. Now we arrive in the grey zone. I am from Germany, got some friends in the more hard core parts of the "black scene", also attended a Rammstein gig once. It was and is widely known in that scene that Till Lindemann is and was the guy in the band for sex and drugs, Pre-"party", between set blow jobs, after-"party". So if you maneuver yourself in a backroom situation with Till Lindemann, in that scene the groupies know what's up and coming. Point is, this is not about the groupies. The russian casting manager Lindemann got from Marilyn Manson contacted girls from outside the groupie scene. From instagram, from clubs. And invited them to a free concert inccluding after-show-party. But they never went to that party, they were isolated, had to give up their smart phones and got escorted directly into Lindemanns private "VIP-casting-room" consisting of booze and couches. Drugs were being offered. NO IDs were being controlled. So, psychological pressure was being built up. Some girls left at some point. Some not. It is absolutely NOT clear who was high and who was not. Now the prosecution Berlin has to decide - aside from the criminal part above - if there are elements of crime pointing towards abuse of power and any case of non-consent. From the circle of the girls over time, there are witnesses for the system and some of them took statements under oath. Also the public has to decide, how they think about this aquisition and casting system of Till's, which is quite some steps away from the usual groupie, sex, drugs and RocknRoll thing. Also, Till Lindemann could have had all the groupies in the world, but he chose to use his system of power. I hope I could shed some light on the different layers of the affair.
You're correct, please remember we're all fresh from Amber Heard and still have ongoing with ERW, who's stories are a load of lies. I know ERW case is still ongoing, 2 dropped out. There's plenty of people who are picking her story apart and witnesses can come forward.
agreed, i see so many people blindly supporting Till and the band, and while i am a huge fan traveling around the world to see them in the past and want nothing more than it to be determined nothing happened, but i want the truth to come to light, even if it hurts the band i love so much. and if the truth turns out false accusations then said people should be sued, your actions should have consequences no matter.
@@Thund3rstone It seems to me that you assume a lot, and while the public can assume and judge based on those assumptions, the judicial system cannot judge that way. If so, let's get out our pickaxes and torches and go back to the middle ages as a society all together. Now, I fully agree with the comments that says that Till Lindemann is innocent until proven guilty, but if proven guilty, he must be punished to the fullest extent of the law. The same way should works in both directions. If it's a defamation case, these girls should be punished to the fullest extent of the law. For now, I understand that we base our justice system on the principle of guaranteeing equality, impartiality, and access to a fair trial for all individuals involved in a legal process. In a nutshell, Schneider said that Till Lindemann deserves the same respect as well the alleged victims until the due process ends and determines who is the victim of whom.
Honestly, it was 90% good for me. But, go all in or don't go at all. "Till has distanced himself, has his own bubble" etc. Basically saying, I think he *might* have done something shitty, but not illegal. And either way, I don't want to be fucken associated with it. I understand the sentiment. But if I'd known someone for that length of time, I'd have left that part out, however true it might be. Or - if you're truly unsure, don't make the statment. But that's just me. The rest of it was great though, but he's clearly trying to cover every base and appease everyone which is next to impossible when these things all contradict each other. (eg. Women have autonomy to make their own choices, but if they fail to do that it's also someone else's fault etc etc.)
@@465marko Yes he should had left it out, because the press took exactly this part and turned it against Till. And Till have again to forgive someone, because he was not thinking everything through it.
I love Schneider even more for that. He seems to be the only band member holding firm. The two lanky quiet guys, Flake and Oliver, seem to be pushovers for Till. They are also the two youngest band members and both somewhat geeky. It's such a shame as both have so much to offer.
hmmm, debateble, for one he's only talking about the 'normal' afterparty, second thing, what excatly are they distancing themselves from, if everything is safe? And "his idea of a good time seemed to differ ..." what the actual f. That's what you call it nowadays? How is any of this reasonable? They should't be able to run from responsibility of having tolerated that shit over years. No offense, but that's on them too. That Lady never recruited Fans, she went specifically for 'groupies' and after sh*tload of consideration and admitting to myself that I used to be one of them(different band though) I can confirm, that 'groupies' are mentally and emotionally so hard biased and mentally and emotionally impaired that I realized that in fact any form of "flexing groupies" is actually abuse. By every definition that's people in power taking advantage of these weakened people because it tickles their egos. And I DON'T mean actual fans as in 'I just love and appreciate the stuff they do or the art they produce like grown ups do'. Most of those concert goers are probably normal fans rather than groupies, which would make actual consent possible. But they specifically targeted 'groupies'. And using that mentally and emotinally affected state for sexual gratification is a lot of things from respectless to just abusive. They could f*ck with consent but choose people who aren't even in an emotional state for true consent. And another important thing, before even more woke hell breaks lose: That's not a gender thing. There's male groupies and female artists that go the same long way. That's a damn issue all over the fame industrie, not even just music ... where there's power there's always abuse, people who wouldn't usually don't even get into these kinds of positions. I for one wish to hear the actual truth and then hope all of those actually practicing and supporting that kind of abuse may watch and feel their genitals rot in painful slomo. And for those who feel hit by that statement: congratulations, your brain just outed you as someone who identifies himself as fitting this description. Prove me wrong.
@sandyschultze946 I simply stated the "statement" was reasonable on the surface. I & many others can only speculate what may or may not have gone down. The proverbial jury is still out on this one & the dynamic of innocent until proven guilty should certainly apply here, my friend.
@@vinniecorleone62 The thing is, I agree, innocent until proven guilty. In this case it's a question of what can be considered evidence. And these 'groupie traffickings' did happen, there's proof. No matter if directly involved or just tolerated, they avoided responsibilty for that for years. That's why all of that sounds like 'For now I pretend to back him, but just in case if he goes down I don't wanna join. My hands are oh so clean' to me ... As I said, this isn't at all a rammstein issue, it's the whole business and the biggest mistake is to make it only about Lindemann. That's a whole rotten system and that's not even news. No matter what rotten things he might have done, the part where he's actually unfairly treated is all those people pinning it on him alone to keep the rest of the system running. Nobody would even need to investigate this dude, if they just went after that frigging system. Every head that's actually involved would fall automatically like f*cking dominos, probably people that as of now seem way more innocent than Lindemann. These practises are so common I'm not even surprised. Check out Ian Watkins. Despite most disgusting video evidence it took years and an accidental drug bust to get that dude behind bars. Recruiting emotional and mentally impaired people for sexual services under false pretenses and even getting paid for that is actually human trafficking, if they really blatantly didn't check any ID this could even be considered child trafficking, if just one of the victims can be proven minor at the time of the crime. This shouldn't at all be about Rammstein. They are like every other celeb who abuses this kind of power just a side show character in a giant ass abuse system. And yes, I am absolutely aware of how drastic that sounds. But the description of exactly how this Woman 'recruited' those girls fits that pattern and I really, really don't understand how people don't see that. The thing is, in germany Rammstein has probably a little bit of a different standing than in the rest of the world and knowing media I can't say how thorough the details are being portrayed there. Possible you don't know half of it because it won't even be reported in the full. If that really get's evaluated as human trafficking Lindeman will be just one of many, many more. Ignoring major patterns just to make it headlines about one specific individual is the actual problem. But anyway, thanks for answering and not freaking out. I like good conversations and I for one would love to be proven wrong. But how realistic are the chances of that?
@sandyschultze946 Female artists don't seem to get the groupies so much. Most men I know who fancy certain female singers stay away from their concerts. It's mostly girls at their concerts who idolise them as role models. The singers are more likely to sleep with members of their entourage, their managers, or their studio producers.
Wow. Talk about walking the tightrope. Rammstein is one of my favorite bands, and it is good to see them neither reflexively defending Til nor throwing him immediately under the bus. Kudos for encouraging fans to do the same.
Part of the reason that I love Doomie so much is the fact that he isn'y afraid to let his emotions show. Nor is he afraid to speak the truth. Much prefer to hear from someone who has known Till for so many years, rather than just a PR person trying to gloss things over. I winced a little when he discussed Till but if it is part of what he sees and concerns him, them Doomie hit it right on the head.
As a fan since 1997 I wish Rammstein the best through all this. I hope Till is innocent, but I do know he has got a lot more extreme in the past years and seems to be out of control. I hope he has not lost himself privately.
Nobody seems to have noticed even Shelby Lynn contradicted herself in her most recent statement when she ranted about the Lithuanian police ceasing investigations. Initially she said she was introduced to Till and declined having sex with him, which he kindly accepted and went OK with. Now she claimed he got angry when she declined. She's always stated explicitly he [definitely] "didn't touch her", only to come up with photos right after showing haematoma and making suggestions her drink had been spiked. Why presenting photos of haematoma when she allegedly *knows* she wasn't touched by Till in particular?! These photos would insinuate otherwise, and if it wasn't Till who touched her, somebody else would have been. What now!? Two versions of the "truth" is one too many for my taste. I don't know about all the other victims, but I think there's a lot of copy-catting going on right there.
@@thefurbeastunderyourbed5012 what difference does it make whether or not he got mad? in both stories, he accepted no. stop focusing on irrelevant things.
I‘m with Schneider. On one hand you love and support your brother, but on the other you should never compromise your principles. It sucks when you’re caught in between, it’s like seeing your best friend cheating on his wife whom you also call a friend.
I'm going through this right now with Manchester united. I've supported the club from abroad for 25 years. I've spent more than I care to admit to go to see them at the theater of dreams. Now they are about to be bought Qatari businessmen tied to government. How can I hold my daughter and teach her about the beautiful game while the money it earns goes to a backwards country that treat women as second class or worse . I will likely be writing off a massive part of my better days
I'm also with Christoph Schneider. The whole agenda on social media, especially in the German speaking area, is insane. From on day to another, not just Till Lindemann, but also his fellow band mates were portrayed as convicted sex offenders. Even some politicians joined in order to try to cancel Rammstein shows. It seems like Schneider is trying to pull his own head out of the noose. I can totally understand him. The chemistry within the band probably won't benefit from it, but I guess, his personal life will (or at least it could).
@@1320crusier The German media has always had an issue with them. They probably got massive hard ons when the story broke because they probably see this as a way to get rid of the band for good.
Where? I see a lot of comments saying this but no one saying "he is guilty". I get that accusations can be just as damaging as a guilty verdict but that is nothing new in cases like this, especially when there are names as big as them.
I like how they showed support to their bandmate and friend without dismissing the allegation. Rammstein are true human beings. Dave Mustaine could learn from this.
If you were my friend and believed I was innocent I'd hope you would totally dismiss the claim. Something happened, didn't happen or you don't know anything. There is no in between..
Even if Till is found guilty, he could just pay his way out of trouble. Man's insanely rich. Or they could get the vocalist for Heldmaschine to be their singer. Bro sounds so much like Till, he started out as a cover band.
For someone whose drink was "spiked," she remembers everything VERY well. Even the way she described it, there was literally no crime committed. This is absolute defamation
It's happened to me twice. I remember everything. There are many drugs out there my dude. Ketamine will knock a person on their ass for 35 minutes and they'll be awake and remember everything that happens around them. Rohypnol isn't like in the movies either. Should probably educate yourself on things before speaking nonsense
more than 200 woman have made a statement, with messages from different times very much different stories but same outcome: Everyone has drugs, alcohol, Aleena and Till in common. Come on, are you blind?
To me this reads like a band member genuinely concerned about another member leaving and the band crumbling. It explains why he has been caught crying at the end of the shows.
I was a bouncer for many years, not saying drinks could never be spiked but I also saw young ladies take 5-10 tequila shots in a row and go home with a random and come back the next day claiming they got drugged. Then get mad when we limited them 3 drinks per hour.
This. 100% this. I think a lot of people here commenting spend more time behind their computers/phones than they do out in public. Anyone who's ever been out to a bar or club late has stories of how trashy "classy" women can get. Combine that with an inability to accept responsibility for last night's actions, regret, a celebrity, and modern "everything I say on Twitter is 100% true / don't question me" - and it's very easy to get to this. Not saying sexual assault doesn't happen. I just struggle with these specific situations - especially in regards to someone as famous as Till, who can get just about any consenting woman he wants due simply to his status.
@@dasfette I've been going to concerts for 30+ years. I cannot BEGIN to tell you the number of 'classy' women I've seen who get completely wasted at shows. It never ceases to amaze me how out of control people get in public.
The way the drummer spoke about Till's parties really sounded like he used his position of power in a, at the very least, reprehensible way. I really don't see how he's defending Till as some of the comments seem to think. Hopefully a clearer truth emerges.
Nice to see another comprehensive comment. I felt the same way too, clearly he thinks that there is something wrong with Till. Everyone else thinks that he is defending him. He really didn't need to mention anything about Till besides being innocent until proven guilty. I feel like maybe he thinks there might be something going on w/ Till.
Thank you. I thought maybe it's a translation problem, but I guess it's more like fans who like him don't want to believe that there's anything wrong with Lindemann.
I don't think he's defending him entirely, he says he doesn't agree with how things went, but I don't think he's condemning him as he says all six of them stand together. I think he's a bit hurt, and he's processing and he's hoping the allegations aren't true, and it seems like he really doesn't have any knowledge of anything illegal happening.
@@velveetaslingshot Definitely agree with you However, I do think that this statement, "innocent ultil proven guilty", in isolation, serves more as an assertion of innocence and disregard for the *potential* victims. While I fully agree that allegations, true or not, can be incredibly harmful and hurtful before any confirmation, I think it's always good practice to err on the side of caution. Something which I think the statement of the drummer does very well. As @MannyBrum below me states, he doesn't fully defend nor fully condemn his bandmate. In my reading of the statement shown in the video, his language seemed to imply that Till, to some extent, did things that he didn't agree with and I found that the large amount of comments saying that he took the side of Till or just "innocent until proven guilty" seemed very dismissive to the potential of actual victims. Of course the band states they're innocent, but that's why I think everyone should wait until a clearer truth emerges. Just because Till may not have done something illegal doesn't mean he may not have done something reprehensible, like coercion, like getting partial consent, or otherwise taking advantage of someone vulnerable. That's the grey area.
After the whole ordeal with Decapitated its important to remember THEY ARE INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY. If some wrong doing has happened, Justice will be served but until the investigation is fulfilled DO NOT attack a victim for coming forward and DO NOT attack Till or the band. The weight of these allegations cannot be undone, and so if they truly feel attacked then they must come forward. But if (like the decapitated situation) they ended up admitting to lying they should be responsible for jailtime on top of fines. Really hope this hasnt happened. Best wishes to all.
_”If some wrong doing has happened, Justice will be served but until the investigation is fulfilled DO NOT attack a victim for coming forward and DO NOT attack Till or the band.”_ Until wrong-doing is proved, there is only an _alleged_ victim.
You think he said all of that in one shot exactly as it was portrayed in the statement? It was probably heavily edited and paraphrased. Sorry for breaking your immersion.
The fan wasn't Lithuanian. She is Irish and had travelled to Lithuania to see Rammstein. I'm so glad Christoph spoke his true feelings about the situation, but his statement did make me sad 😔
@dmonkeyland how so that it made me sad? Just because I've always loved Rammstein, and I'm not saying Till is guilty. Nothing has been proven, and he is innocent until proven otherwise, but to think that anything they do could result in accusations such as this makes me sad. My god, none of them are angels, but I didn't know that Till has a penchant for sex with girls that are unconscious. Maybe it's just a subject that he uses for his poems, and I'm talking shit, but I'm sad that he's pulling away from the rest of the band (Christoph's words) and is doing things that people really dislike
Lithuania and the other Baltic states are very popular in the UK as a destination to get your booze on. Bachelor parties, city trips and binging city trips, in short: the Brits as tourists for "what they do best" Drinking themselves into a stupour. Add that she never really was a fan, didn't have a clue what the band is about but was gung ho about getting in row 0, backstage and had a really good recollection on what happened for someone who's drink was alledgedly spiked. No drugs in her system, gullible to backstage promises by people she never met. The German press has always had a hate relationship with Rammstein and now the press smells blood and can't wait to retaliate. Schneider has reacted too soon for some reason.
@rammsterdamm020 I can't argue with any of this. There is so much out there that disproves what she is saying, and people who were actually there and who saw her completely blow her story to shit. I just can't get my head round why she, or anyone else for that matter, would make up such allegations, especially when there is so much evidence to the contrary?! What does she want to achieve? Royally passing off millions of Rammstein fans, hurting and tearing the band apart? So she got wasted (as you said, it's what we do best!), just admit that you made a tit of yourself and move on. Why try and cover her embarrassment with such awful and life-ruining allegations? Even if Till is proven innocent (which he will be), shit sticks, and he will never be able to get away from this
Just to let you know, the accuser who was at the concert in Lithuania is Irish, from Northern Ireland, and her name is Shelby Lynn... she's definitely not Lithuanian. Other than that, thanks for this update. I'm following this story.
On a lighter note, I just now noticed the Eagles helmet in the background. Grew up in the area and am a life long Eagles & Phillies fan. Have enjoyed your channel for a few years now!
This reads like, look we have our own band parties with people there to keep things straight and he has his own separate parties that we don't touch with a 100 foot pole ...
The first time I heard about this issue the focus was on Joe Letz who has a heinous history of this exact thing and also the one lady. Lindemans involvement was one of being perplexed because he was under the impression that the girl was willingly there to be a groupie. I understand that the sexual nature of the band and the music lends itself to the idea that nonconsensual contact is on the table but it really isn't. This is why you have to vet the people you employ and your with. Joe Letz has gotten sober in recent years and has abandoned his previous crappy ways but this really does feel like a part 2 of his behavior. You gotta know who you deal with
I’m not saying the accuser is lying but I’ve been roofied and I don’t remember a single thing. I hope this gets sorted out and if there’s evidence for or against the allegations then that should be information provided to the public. This woman could have been drugged but not by a band member. The statement by the drummer was exactly what a statement should be.
Lots of people who are drugged have flashbacks. It depends entirely on what drug you were given and how much of it. Your evidence is anecdotal. You say you're not saying she's lying, but your seed of doubt is very much the opposite.
@@tararawson2630 How about the fact that she's on Lexapro? It can increase the effects of alcohol substantially. A few drinks, which are normal for others, can be worth 2x that in people who take Lexapro. Anything to say about that?
You never know someone’s real life until there’s enough evidence to prove that they’re guilty. I know people are defending him which I stand on innocent until proven guilty as well but, also remember stuff like this does happen. For example in Lostprophets nobody knew Ian Watkins personally. They only knew his music side, but not his evil side. Same thing with Dahvie Vanity from Blood on the dance floor. Nobody in the band really knew that he would fly underage fans to his house to take advantage of them…
It's extremely naive to think that all these women are just lying. The problem is that these accusations are hard to prove so i don't think there will be legal consequences
@@irgendeinname9256 No, see. Here's the real problem. Some women started making up lies to be a part of the metoo movement. Then you have public cases like Amber Heard and her abuse of Johnny Depp. She stole he life with her lies. Then there's Amber's best friend Evan Rachel Wood and her lies about Manson. There was an interview with evan. She said she had been with one guy, he was abusive, then the next guy. He was also abusive. He pretended to be her savior. Somehow, that's been magically scrubbed from the internet. There's only like 1 or 2 other woman besides wood still making claims. The rest were already proven false. So, the cases were dropped. Because of these public bought lies were so blindly blieved. Now, real victims won't be believed. They will have to work 10 times as hard. In fact, it's now close being back to where it was, just after laws were passed. No one cared, it only passed because how hard it as fought for and enough people cared but at the end of the day. No one as a whole cared. Reports were seen as a joke. So, real survivors are getting screwed over because of big-mouthed liars. It's sad. It's sick It's disgusting. I say this as a survivior. Ages: 2, 11, 12, 18, 19.
It's the same with extended family members, neighbours, course mates, and work colleagues. You never really know them when they hide so much, especially the narcissists and those up to no good. I got my fingers burned a few times. Why should it be any different with famous people? You have to take precautions when dating and at parties and even more now. Never let anyone buy you a drink, even a soft drink, unless you go to the bar with them. Inform someone close to you where you will be and call you halfway through the date to check on you. Always use your own transport to get to and from the date or party even if it's public transport. Never accept a lift on a first or second date or share a taxi home. You go home by yourself. Don't be afraid of appearing rude by walking out of a building without saying goodbye in dicey situations. You are not being rude in a situation like that but being sensible.
@@danielreynolds7458 he elbowed a guy that called his girlfriend a whore. he gave him the opportunity to apologize even beforehand. makes him more of a gentleman to me.
many girls claimed their drinks were spiked only for it to be proved they drank too much Make sure that if he is indeed innocent of any illegal behaviour then the accusing parties be held accountable and punished accordingly
People forget how strong of a drug alcohol can be if too much is consumed, I hope this is a situation of people drinking too much and making assumptions, because otherwise we have a coordinated mass slander campaign or a dangerous serial rapists out there
Christoph has a young family and seems like a decent human being. And let's not forget that all of the band members used to "partake" in the groupie scene, so none of them are exactly innocent but I think over time the other band members have settled down and stopped the rock star shenanigans with fans but Till seems to have ramped it up. It must be hard for the other guys to deal with this.
colonelkurtz has been interviewing other people who were there including security guards, other fans. definitely recommend watching her stuff. the allegations don't add up to what numerous other people have said who were actually there. that girl was never alone with till apparently and went to the after party but with other people not the after after party with just till and a select handful of fans
I think in those instances it was the band distancing themselves from the accused. This is the other way around. If he's been wrongly accused he may feel depressed, shame, and feels if distancing himself from the band will avoid them facing flak.
@Abe Froman if the allegations are true I believe there are many talented vocalists out there that can do a good job. The worry is that as the rest of them push 60, how long do they want to go on for?
BIG red flag. But there are people here who are ignoring that and think all these random accusations on social media are the gospel truth, no evidence needed, not even a police report, they don't even know if the accounts are bots or trolls.
If Till is guilty let the courts punish him according to law. If not then the false accusers should be imprisoned. However this rarely happens. If it did, Amber Heard would be in prison.
Man! Talk about talking sensibility with responsibility. Not just other bands and celebrities, we all could learn from Mr Schneider how to make a public statement
He did not distance himself from Lindemann, he explained Till has his own sideprojects - not unlike Kruspe - and therefor a seperate following and seperate parties. The Irish woman wasn't a fan of either Rammstein nor Lindemann's band and was looking for something wild. She found it. I don't believe the woman and I think now the story becomes a monster she is doubling down. Because, other that getting Irishly drunk, nothing happened to her that would hold up in court. We as women should be think before we act. Not just go willynilly to a backstage party of a band, or an artist of who she knew nothing about . With women like the Irish woman, serious crimes against women take a massive blow of credibility. The way she reports about the follow up, the fall out, the cancel culture at work, the comparison to other crime cases that have nothing to do with this casus, and the way she utterly enjoys it, which is not a behaviour of a serious traumatized victim gives the assumption she is in it for attention, followers and some kind of revenge (no idea for what reason) and her demolition course will do more bad than good for victims of violence against women. See Depp - Heard.
I have been backstage quite a lot for a band who I became good friends with and I think there is too much going on for this to be true. Not only that they don't need to get girls backstage. Most are happy to do it given the chance. Also quite a lot are happy to do more too! Not in my case hence why we became good friends.
there are people around at Tills parties too. Richard has had parties too. That doesn’t mean he ever did anything illegal simply because people engage in sex. Shelby is in her 20s she is a grown women who made decisions herself. No drugs were found in her system when tested. There are a LOT of people who travel with this band because of how big the shows are and how much security they need. I know Till has his own parties that aren’t full band parties and I thought everyone who follows Rammstein or Lindemann already knew this. He also travels separately on your a lot. He has his own group of friends and people and he is easily overwhelmed in public. That doesn’t mean he’s a criminal however.
@DragonKnightX12 That happens so many times. Women crying in the loos saying they've been spiked and then you find out they are on meds and have a huge amount. People need to take responsibility for their behaviour.
Isn't it a little contradictory that he says he doesn't really know what's going on at Lindemann's parties as he has never attempted one of them, because they are not the same as the official aftershow parties, but then begins to describe that you can leave whenever you want and all the bottles are sealed? How does he know that if he's never been there? I don't know. To me it seems like he just wants to save face and distance himself from the scandal. Not only that, but women are not the only ones who have come forward with accusations. And you can find old videos on youtube of young fans who describe bad experiences with Lindemann as well, only they weren't seen, because they don't have many subscribers and are only resurfacing now, because of the accusations. I believe in innocent until proven guilty as well, still it wouldn't suprise me in the least if there was at least some truth to these accusations, especially because so many women have come forward and their stories match up.
There were two types of aftershow parties. One for Celebrities and the other for Till. Of course, nothing happened at the after-show party for celebrities, but Till's girls are usually not allowed to go there. Of course, all of the crew know what Till does with the girls. When the girls were led into the separate room by security, they called it the Walk of the Sluts. That's all known. Not only in the crew, but also in the Berlin music industry
It’s not contradictory as he describes the rammstein parties, not the till parties (that presumably not take place at the same time after the show in the stadium) And ‘saving face’….i reckon nothing they say right now will be accepted because the trust is gone. It’s a lose lose situation. Must be pretty upsetting for the rest of the band if they indeed had no idea of what exactly went on at till’s parties.
He spiked her drink before the show with the cap still sealed? She rejected him and he left angry...tell me again why she didn't make a report and instead went on social media? Her recollection of events makes no sense.
So basically, if you want to screw over any celebrity, just claim they sexually assaulted you. In addition to the negative social media sweep which will occur, their management/employer/producer will cease working with them, even if temporarily.
They will be fine. Their tour is still going, the money is still flowing in, and if he's found innocent, most fans would probably forget about it within a year. People in these comments great this like Rammsteins carreer is over, but with stuff like this, it rarely is.
Here let me fix this for you...."So basically, if you want to rape a woman in a tour bus, just claim that she's lying. you'll find the negative social media sweep will occur and everyone will hate on women publicly. Your career will be fine, if after a temporary hitch."
@@youcanthandlethetruth8873 Yeah, Michael Jackson and Justin Roiland set great precedent in the "they will be fine" area, right? While they may eventually be "fine", did or did not cause Kiepenheuer & Witsch to terminate their relationship with Lindemann? Did or did not Tagesschau and Süddeutsche Zeitung publish the allegations? The answer to both questions is they DID, and this has an adverse affect upon the band- all based from the allegations of a single person. "They will be fine. Their tour is still going, the money is still flowing in, and if he's found innocent, most fans would probably forget about it within a year. People in these comments great this like Rammsteins carreer is over, but with stuff like this, it rarely is."
Rammstein have been my favourite band for well over a decade now, I've met them once, including Till and he was sweet and gentle, I hope that remains the case! I hope for absolutely everyone's sake that this allegation (and others..I haven't looked too much into them) are false. Till has definitely taken his own route with music and expression with his band Lindemann absolutely being provocative to say the least, which would put him in some situations where I'm sure things like the alleged could occur. Christoph is such a class act, I really truly hope that the way he explains the circumstance is true, and that Till has either not done anything wrong, or can take absolute accountability for his actions. I feel so so so damn torn hearing things like this, espcially about an artist I've looked up to.
Very sad to hear that till has distanced himself from the rest of the band in recent years with his after show parties, which members of the band seem to be uncomfortable with. Perhaps there was confusion on what party The victim was with, however this statement confirms that members of the band were uncomfortable with till’s after show parties. The comments are full of innocent until proven guilty, which I understand, however till is guilty of alienating his band mates, and unfortunately, this statement proves that.
Alleged victim* I personally think the whole thing is bs. I've seen it many times before, women claiming sexual assault to get their paws on some celebs money. Like some months ago there was the incident with pierce the veil, that alleged rape happened 10 years before, funny how she only pops up when the guy has money to pay.
he isn’t distancing himself, he said that it’s effecting the band and that he doesn’t think the things being said are true. He made his own statement He said 6 of us we stand together. That doesn’t sound distant to me
A Kayfabe, the drummer's statement said that over the last few years Till has distanced himself from the rest of the band. Created his "own" bubble, if you will.
Perhaps I'm just "regarded", but I'm not hearing anything that makes me think he did anything wrong. A girl said "no" and he just walked off... what's the problem here exactly? Isn't that what you're supposed to do when someone says they aren't interested??? People have become *FAR* too quick to complain about anything..😒
There are many accusations against Till Lindemann. Albeit, they’re almost all just online posts but that’s enough for the press to basically slander you.
Germany is riding on a wave of moral posturing right now. They are condemning him by calling the women brave. Well, they are brave if it's been proven that what they are saying is true. Until then it's wrong to call them brave. Also, they are taking about power structures being abused. Which is just dumb. It's called being a groupie and for decades noone gave a fuck about that. Now it's power structures being abused. It's ridiculous.
@dhenderson0786 That part I would understand, but there's nothing in the reports that led me to believe he had anything to do with that. He just entered a room and left
I think it was a bad statement. Not in the sense of the wording being poor. But it highlights a certain separation of Lindemann from the rest of the band. I don't think that's helpful to the case.
@@jacktodd3439 yes. And not just people. The press, which is the worst of them all. If you follow how the press is reporting on it, you'd think he's already been convinced.
The interesting thing is that Shelby was accompanied by a blonde woman who took video both before and after Shelby was alleged to have been drugged & there was no difference in her demeanour or behaviour. She bragged that Till had wanted to have sex with her on this video. It doesn't look as if anything untoward actually happened in this woman's case.
untill there is a conviction or something i won't believe a word. yes till is a massive pervert but as far as we know he hasn't raped anyone or done anything illegal and she went to twitter BEFORE going to the police, if she even went to the police, tells you everything you need to know about this case
The accusation is more than likely bogus. Another RUclipsr interviewed a girl that was with the accuser in row 0 and said she was the loudest, most obnoxious person there. She was even irritating the crew by not following rules (put in place so you don't get your face blasted off by pyro). She made a video while still there saying Till wanted her to have sex with her and "EW". The case is going to get thrown out but not without hurting Lindemann's reputation first.
Don't invalidate the victims. It's the same as prejudging the band. It's very unlikely that many accusations are without any base, especially since many are afraid and chose to stay anonymous
@@elizabeths640 Angry fans? The lawyer machinery? Rammstein even said recently they would go to court. And several victims said, other managers, people in the scene etc tried to play it down, and them (victims) not to release statements. Why you trying to downplay it as if it was a 'stupid game' or some 'teenagers trying to get fame online', with your cry laughing emoji kid comment? its obvious it isn't that
Great statement! I got to stress the fact that the presumed victim didn't turn to the police or to any authorities with her complaints, but went right to the social media. And "don't go astray from the band" part is also quite true.
@@katekrylov after she woke up,. not remembering how she came to her room. but i can calm you, almost all other allegedly victims did not go on social media but spoke with journalists and probably with police at that point. the investigations in germany dont have anything to do with Shelby linn, because she is irish and the supposed spiking of the drink did take place in Lithuania, so has nothing to do with german police.
Sounds like Till has slowly drifted away from the rest of the band, with Till forming his own separate Entourage from the rest of the group. Is there any actual proof she was drugged? Or is it all still accusations at this point?
Why would you go to social media rather than hospital to document the facts of foul play? As a lithuanian myself I can assure you would be able to talk to them in english and get all of your needed services as EU citizen. However nothing was done to document the facts, therefore it's almost impossible to win the case in court. As for other ladies cases - I'm not sure because I have heard nothing about them yet. The presumption of innocence is firm in most of the EU as well, we should not forget that. I'm very very suspicious about this certain incident in Lithuania, but as for all the others - we will have to wait on more info.
She said she "Declined his advances and he left angry" That is not a crime. People are allowed to court people. And it sounds like he didn't force the issue, I don't see a crime here. Better have some evidence.
@@whyisyes3957 If he's trying to pick up 20 year olds I wouldn't give the slightest shit. There are gold diggers with 90 year olds. Let him enjoy. Buuuuuut, if there is evidence he forced anything. We have a problem. I do not see that here.
She said no , and he left. What is the crime? If she was unconscious how did she resist? He could have his pick of any of tons of willing women. I tend to disbelieve that Till did anything wrong. I support you Till!
I agree with you, not because I think he's an angel, but because, by her own recount, he left. Angry, but he left nonetheless. No crime there. As for spiking drinks, I doubt he needs to do that... Plenty of girls who throw themselves at him without it, I'm sure. Unless all drinks were spiked for everyone's extra enjoyment (not specifically to take advantage of this one girl, I mean). I could see that. But hey, you're not going to a church party, are you. Be careful of your choices and environment. It's not "victim blaming", it's just pointing out the obvious. Either way, he left. So where's the issue?
Even if you (no matter who reads this :) ), did not follow the best band in the world for MANY years, you 'should' (?) feel something is not right about such allegations. Till is THE man (with love and loads of respect for each member, from my heart), who kept the band together when Emerate started and before. He keeps motivating his friends when things are 'should'nt we stop and i would like to do something else' etc. Like most of the band members do have their own projects. As Till does. He only has to wink (or even not) and (as i would be myself ;), the girl-woman that fancys him will come over and they will have great times. He has worked his ass off (as all members do-did), and has achieved (finally!) so much now. They didn't give up. When the success arrives, also the vultures. (i'm a woman, hetero, as well), it also means that i know & seen 'my sisters' behaving like bitches. When a man does not give them the attention they want, they go do mean stuff or gossip & lie. We all do know that , yes? As many other people explain her below, it does not makes sense. Why the heck would he insist with a girl?! He can have everyone, and that girl, who did the drugs in her drink? Right. Maybe her lady friend O.o.
Rammstein is a great band musically, but as you may know, Till wrote all the lyrics to the songs... and if you look at those lyrics, well... They don't do him any favors. As I always say, what's in your heart, comes out in your art.
I don’t believe this happened they way she says it did. But one thing I can guarantee is that if he is found innocent the story won’t get half the coverage.
the accusation is the punishment. it doesn't have to be true. people just have to know of it. she will get a slap on the wrist for lying and the whole band will lose everything true or not.
That's One of the most level headed statement from any member, from a banda, i've heard. The Bublle reference worries me a bit and Aldo the distancing from the members of the band. I believe it' s not the same , but in some respects it reminds me of Ian Watkins from Lostprophets case. I sure hope i'm wrong .
I've met Till 3 times. There was attraction, but he was a gentleman. That's all I'll say. Sure, maybe he got a little crazy while drinking, but I always felt safe. I just don't believe this shite.
So she declined sexual activity, and he didn't rape her and just accepted the no and walked off a bit pissed? It's not illegal to get angry, even if morally getting pissed someone wont' sleep with you is annoying.
@@PM-vv3uc Not that I think Johnny Depp is innocent, but he same was done to him and yet the courts wound up ruling in his favor. So, no, production companies don't always know one way or another. They just don't want the stink of a criminal investigation hanging around them.
Christoph's statement is thoughtfull and well crafted. I've been a Rammstein fan since the band released their first album, I was just a kid in the midst of my musical awakening, so their music means a lot to me. Above of all, fairness and justice must prevail, the alledge victims deserve to be heard and Till has the right to defend his innocence and reputation.
I like how you described what their music means to you. I have a couple bands like that
Damn bro. I wish more people could be this open to just let truth be truth especially in other subjects. Good aon you dude.
Their music? Good God. It's awful.
10/10! Best way for a band to make a response to these allegations. We shouldnt slander or attack the accusers. Everyone has their own perception as we all should be entitled to. All while still having Till's back in a smooth, logical way. Great band, love this encouraging response.
He should have left that "distance part" out because the mass media turns exactly this now against Till!!
@@andreagruber5813 What makes you think you know better than a band member what he should and shouldn't say about this? Anyone who has been following the band for some years could observe that Till did just that. He got lost in his alter ego more and more. And that's also an explanation for the fact that everything has now reached the point of escalation - it was just a question of time. Ignoring this does not help him. Christoph proves to be wise and mature to address this subject and at the same time to strengthen Till's back.
@@genixirl I only say, that it also could be in another way and well I follow the band since 1997 and I also know more than you think about toxic people. And toxic people, do exactly that. separat you from others. Lindemann can hardly say no and is too friendly. Believe it or not, I do not give a sh..... I know what I know and I see what I see. I also know someone, who knows Lindemann much better and as I asked this person, if it would be possible, that person said, that such once (toxic people) would hit the jackpot with Till, because he is too friendly in does not want to see the bad side of people. So, what now? Why I am not allowed about my opinion. Only because YOU SAY IT? SCREW YOU!! I have my own sources and that is all I am telling you!
@@andreagruber5813 EXACTLY F YES! Christoph only harmed Till with this crap text
@@oldschoolgamer-w4u I know. But Christoph is also one, who can not deal with pressure that well. But it was definitely not the "best move".
Doom is truly a class act.
Also, the initial accuser herself denied sexual abuse but people hardly read past the headline…
Exactly, the concern is over potential spiking/attempts, which is much more complex than assuming the band are just serial rapists… damn media
There have been several allegation of sexual assault though. Obviously its impossible to say for sure before the investigation and possible trial are concluded.
@@SpielkindFR yes that is an important concern, every single alleged victim should have their case looked into
@@whyisyes3957 not only from the perspective of the alleged victims. But if the allegations are true there have been a bunch of other people involved as well.
Everyone complicit needs to be investigated and, if guilty, go away for a long time.
@@SpielkindFR Famous male figures in media get accused of SA all the time. Most we don't even hear about....Plus, a good judge can sniff out a gold-digger....
This is the way in which an adult deals with a situation as delicate as this. Let the authorities finish their investigations and determine if Till Lindemann is guilty of something or if it is a case of defamation. In either case, let the law fall with all its weight against whoever has done something against the rules within our modern society.
Finally a mature comment here.
The whole affair is not as zero and one as it looks.
What you describe above is the criminal part around drugs and non-consent and in this case the authorities investigate and in the case they decide to go to court, a judge will decide in due process about guilt.
Then there is the part, where the public is having a discourse about the morality around a public figure (T. Lindemann, 60) and a system of pushing young girls in a situation having sexual acitivities with him (details below). The public is not heterogene. Some parts of the public might decide to punish Lindemann and/or Rammstein with disregard and bans. Others might not.
Now we arrive in the grey zone. I am from Germany, got some friends in the more hard core parts of the "black scene", also attended a Rammstein gig once. It was and is widely known in that scene that Till Lindemann is and was the guy in the band for sex and drugs, Pre-"party", between set blow jobs, after-"party". So if you maneuver yourself in a backroom situation with Till Lindemann, in that scene the groupies know what's up and coming.
Point is, this is not about the groupies. The russian casting manager Lindemann got from Marilyn Manson contacted girls from outside the groupie scene. From instagram, from clubs. And invited them to a free concert inccluding after-show-party. But they never went to that party, they were isolated, had to give up their smart phones and got escorted directly into Lindemanns private "VIP-casting-room" consisting of booze and couches. Drugs were being offered. NO IDs were being controlled. So, psychological pressure was being built up. Some girls left at some point. Some not. It is absolutely NOT clear who was high and who was not.
Now the prosecution Berlin has to decide - aside from the criminal part above - if there are elements of crime pointing towards abuse of power and any case of non-consent. From the circle of the girls over time, there are witnesses for the system and some of them took statements under oath.
Also the public has to decide, how they think about this aquisition and casting system of Till's, which is quite some steps away from the usual groupie, sex, drugs and RocknRoll thing. Also, Till Lindemann could have had all the groupies in the world, but he chose to use his system of power.
I hope I could shed some light on the different layers of the affair.
You're correct, please remember we're all fresh from Amber Heard and still have ongoing with ERW, who's stories are a load of lies. I know ERW case is still ongoing, 2 dropped out. There's plenty of people who are picking her story apart and witnesses can come forward.
agreed, i see so many people blindly supporting Till and the band, and while i am a huge fan traveling around the world to see them in the past and want nothing more than it to be determined nothing happened, but i want the truth to come to light, even if it hurts the band i love so much. and if the truth turns out false accusations then said people should be sued, your actions should have consequences no matter.
@@Thund3rstone It seems to me that you assume a lot, and while the public can assume and judge based on those assumptions, the judicial system cannot judge that way. If so, let's get out our pickaxes and torches and go back to the middle ages as a society all together. Now, I fully agree with the comments that says that Till Lindemann is innocent until proven guilty, but if proven guilty, he must be punished to the fullest extent of the law. The same way should works in both directions. If it's a defamation case, these girls should be punished to the fullest extent of the law. For now, I understand that we base our justice system on the principle of guaranteeing equality, impartiality, and access to a fair trial for all individuals involved in a legal process. In a nutshell, Schneider said that Till Lindemann deserves the same respect as well the alleged victims until the due process ends and determines who is the victim of whom.
That's actually an incredible statement. Hats off to the drummer. Edit: His name is Christoph Schneider.
He certainly covered every base when it comes to what COULD have actually happened.
Honestly, it was 90% good for me. But, go all in or don't go at all.
"Till has distanced himself, has his own bubble" etc. Basically saying, I think he *might* have done something shitty, but not illegal. And either way, I don't want to be fucken associated with it.
I understand the sentiment. But if I'd known someone for that length of time, I'd have left that part out, however true it might be. Or - if you're truly unsure, don't make the statment. But that's just me.
The rest of it was great though, but he's clearly trying to cover every base and appease everyone which is next to impossible when these things all contradict each other. (eg. Women have autonomy to make their own choices, but if they fail to do that it's also someone else's fault etc etc.)
@@465marko Yes he should had left it out, because the press took exactly this part and turned it against Till. And Till have again to forgive someone, because he was not thinking everything through it.
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I love Schneider even more for that. He seems to be the only band member holding firm.
The two lanky quiet guys, Flake and Oliver, seem to be pushovers for Till. They are also the two youngest band members and both somewhat geeky. It's such a shame as both have so much to offer.
A reasonable & fair statement made by the Drummer, it's certainly a fine line with any guest back stage & expectations with everyone involved.
hmmm, debateble, for one he's only talking about the 'normal' afterparty, second thing, what excatly are they distancing themselves from, if everything is safe? And "his idea of a good time seemed to differ ..." what the actual f. That's what you call it nowadays? How is any of this reasonable? They should't be able to run from responsibility of having tolerated that shit over years. No offense, but that's on them too.
That Lady never recruited Fans, she went specifically for 'groupies' and after sh*tload of consideration and admitting to myself that I used to be one of them(different band though) I can confirm, that 'groupies' are mentally and emotionally so hard biased and mentally and emotionally impaired that I realized that in fact any form of "flexing groupies" is actually abuse. By every definition that's people in power taking advantage of these weakened people because it tickles their egos. And I DON'T mean actual fans as in 'I just love and appreciate the stuff they do or the art they produce like grown ups do'. Most of those concert goers are probably normal fans rather than groupies, which would make actual consent possible. But they specifically targeted 'groupies'. And using that mentally and emotinally affected state for sexual gratification is a lot of things from respectless to just abusive. They could f*ck with consent but choose people who aren't even in an emotional state for true consent. And another important thing, before even more woke hell breaks lose: That's not a gender thing. There's male groupies and female artists that go the same long way. That's a damn issue all over the fame industrie, not even just music ... where there's power there's always abuse, people who wouldn't usually don't even get into these kinds of positions. I for one wish to hear the actual truth and then hope all of those actually practicing and supporting that kind of abuse may watch and feel their genitals rot in painful slomo. And for those who feel hit by that statement: congratulations, your brain just outed you as someone who identifies himself as fitting this description. Prove me wrong.
@sandyschultze946 I simply stated the "statement" was reasonable on the surface. I & many others can only speculate what may or may not have gone down. The proverbial jury is still out on this one & the dynamic of innocent until proven guilty should certainly apply here, my friend.
@@vinniecorleone62 The thing is, I agree, innocent until proven guilty. In this case it's a question of what can be considered evidence. And these 'groupie traffickings' did happen, there's proof. No matter if directly involved or just tolerated, they avoided responsibilty for that for years. That's why all of that sounds like 'For now I pretend to back him, but just in case if he goes down I don't wanna join. My hands are oh so clean' to me ... As I said, this isn't at all a rammstein issue, it's the whole business and the biggest mistake is to make it only about Lindemann. That's a whole rotten system and that's not even news. No matter what rotten things he might have done, the part where he's actually unfairly treated is all those people pinning it on him alone to keep the rest of the system running. Nobody would even need to investigate this dude, if they just went after that frigging system. Every head that's actually involved would fall automatically like f*cking dominos, probably people that as of now seem way more innocent than Lindemann. These practises are so common I'm not even surprised. Check out Ian Watkins. Despite most disgusting video evidence it took years and an accidental drug bust to get that dude behind bars. Recruiting emotional and mentally impaired people for sexual services under false pretenses and even getting paid for that is actually human trafficking, if they really blatantly didn't check any ID this could even be considered child trafficking, if just one of the victims can be proven minor at the time of the crime. This shouldn't at all be about Rammstein. They are like every other celeb who abuses this kind of power just a side show character in a giant ass abuse system. And yes, I am absolutely aware of how drastic that sounds. But the description of exactly how this Woman 'recruited' those girls fits that pattern and I really, really don't understand how people don't see that. The thing is, in germany Rammstein has probably a little bit of a different standing than in the rest of the world and knowing media I can't say how thorough the details are being portrayed there. Possible you don't know half of it because it won't even be reported in the full. If that really get's evaluated as human trafficking Lindeman will be just one of many, many more. Ignoring major patterns just to make it headlines about one specific individual is the actual problem.
But anyway, thanks for answering and not freaking out. I like good conversations and I for one would love to be proven wrong. But how realistic are the chances of that?
Thank you for your insight and well thought out discussion sandy.
@sandyschultze946 Female artists don't seem to get the groupies so much. Most men I know who fancy certain female singers stay away from their concerts. It's mostly girls at their concerts who idolise them as role models. The singers are more likely to sleep with members of their entourage, their managers, or their studio producers.
Wow. Talk about walking the tightrope. Rammstein is one of my favorite bands, and it is good to see them neither reflexively defending Til nor throwing him immediately under the bus. Kudos for encouraging fans to do the same.
Part of the reason that I love Doomie so much is the fact that he isn'y afraid to let his emotions show. Nor is he afraid to speak the truth. Much prefer to hear from someone who has known Till for so many years, rather than just a PR person trying to gloss things over. I winced a little when he discussed Till but if it is part of what he sees and concerns him, them Doomie hit it right on the head.
As a fan since 1997 I wish Rammstein the best through all this. I hope Till is innocent, but I do know he has got a lot more extreme in the past years and seems to be out of control. I hope he has not lost himself privately.
Innocent until proven guilty, I'm calling absolutely bogus on this whole allegation.
Nobody seems to have noticed even Shelby Lynn contradicted herself in her most recent statement when she ranted about the Lithuanian police ceasing investigations.
Initially she said she was introduced to Till and declined having sex with him, which he kindly accepted and went OK with.
Now she claimed he got angry when she declined. She's always stated explicitly he [definitely] "didn't touch her", only to come up with photos right after showing haematoma and making suggestions her drink had been spiked. Why presenting photos of haematoma when she allegedly *knows* she wasn't touched by Till in particular?! These photos would insinuate otherwise, and if it wasn't Till who touched her, somebody else would have been.
What now!? Two versions of the "truth" is one too many for my taste.
I don't know about all the other victims, but I think there's a lot of copy-catting going on right there.
@@thefurbeastunderyourbed5012 what difference does it make whether or not he got mad? in both stories, he accepted no. stop focusing on irrelevant things.
it's terrifying how many people just blindly believe this stuff.
It is 2023, and knowing what females are trying to pull nowadays for a quick buck, would not surprise me in the least.
same here till linderman seems like hes a chill guy to meet during meet and greets
Innocent until proven guilty.
I miss people like you 👍
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Media people would rather be first, rather than accurate
Guilty until proven innocent.
Not in Europe,not if your trump😉
I‘m with Schneider.
On one hand you love and support your brother, but on the other you should never compromise your principles.
It sucks when you’re caught in between, it’s like seeing your best friend cheating on his wife whom you also call a friend.
I'm going through this right now with Manchester united. I've supported the club from abroad for 25 years. I've spent more than I care to admit to go to see them at the theater of dreams. Now they are about to be bought Qatari businessmen tied to government. How can I hold my daughter and teach her about the beautiful game while the money it earns goes to a backwards country that treat women as second class or worse . I will likely be writing off a massive part of my better days
I'm also with Christoph Schneider. The whole agenda on social media, especially in the German speaking area, is insane. From on day to another, not just Till Lindemann, but also his fellow band mates were portrayed as convicted sex offenders. Even some politicians joined in order to try to cancel Rammstein shows. It seems like Schneider is trying to pull his own head out of the noose. I can totally understand him. The chemistry within the band probably won't benefit from it, but I guess, his personal life will (or at least it could).
@@tobias3023 So basically, Germanys court of public opinion already convicted them. Shocker.
@@1320crusier The German media has always had an issue with them. They probably got massive hard ons when the story broke because they probably see this as a way to get rid of the band for good.
@@mikekristin7201 That analogy falls flat since it's based on a completely uninformed view. Unlike the Rammstein situation
Christoph is an absolute class act, Very well said and stated. I stand with Rammstein
Ditto.
he just tried to disown Till
@@kre_dopeprod.3766 because...
@@kre_dopeprod.3766The only one in the band who stands up for himself in the band. Oliver and Flake come across as pushovers.
@kre_dope prod. ...yeah, well he would know what he's talking about.
Unfortunately accusations are treated as guilty verdicts these days.
Unless they're made against right wing politicians am I right?
Where? I see a lot of comments saying this but no one saying "he is guilty". I get that accusations can be just as damaging as a guilty verdict but that is nothing new in cases like this, especially when there are names as big as them.
I like how they showed support to their bandmate and friend without dismissing the allegation. Rammstein are true human beings. Dave Mustaine could learn from this.
Well there is the fact that Till is the singer and frontman. He can't be replaced like a bassist.
If you were my friend and believed I was innocent I'd hope you would totally dismiss the claim. Something happened, didn't happen or you don't know anything. There is no in between..
Dave Mustaine? Everyone other than Stevie Wonder and Ronnie Milsap have seen the video of Ellefson jerking off. It's not like it's hearsay.
@bulrich610 🤣
Never ever change the band line up
- that's Rammstein
Big deal
Even if Till is found guilty, he could just pay his way out of trouble. Man's insanely rich.
Or they could get the vocalist for Heldmaschine to be their singer. Bro sounds so much like Till, he started out as a cover band.
For someone whose drink was "spiked," she remembers everything VERY well. Even the way she described it, there was literally no crime committed. This is absolute defamation
It's happened to me twice. I remember everything. There are many drugs out there my dude. Ketamine will knock a person on their ass for 35 minutes and they'll be awake and remember everything that happens around them. Rohypnol isn't like in the movies either. Should probably educate yourself on things before speaking nonsense
@@nategin9009 Sure....🙄🤡🤣
Absolutely this little twat saw what she could do with just a statement...
more than 200 woman have made a statement, with messages from different times very much different stories but same outcome: Everyone has drugs, alcohol, Aleena and Till in common. Come on, are you blind?
yep, the lady clearly doesn't understand what Knockouters do...
This is probably the most Rammstein thing I have ever heard
To me this reads like a band member genuinely concerned about another member leaving and the band crumbling. It explains why he has been caught crying at the end of the shows.
Heldmaschine vocalist sounds like Till. They can always hire him.
@@Volundur9567 Aye although Till is the face of Rammstein and all the band members are iconic so it wouldn't feel the same
Why has nobody checked the security cameras of these gigs ?
I have done various rock gigs and security cameras are everywhere and so are the security
When we saw Rammstein they were amazing Till was a gentleman ❤️❤️❤️
u saw him for like an hour bfr lmao
That's the reputation he has. Introverted and gentle.
@@sigridvanosch1990 to me physically he looks like he could knock a grizzly bear through a brick wall but he seems sweet and gentle to me.
Props to who ever crafted that statement. Almost perfectly worded
I was a bouncer for many years, not saying drinks could never be spiked but I also saw young ladies take 5-10 tequila shots in a row and go home with a random and come back the next day claiming they got drugged. Then get mad when we limited them 3 drinks per hour.
This. 100% this.
I think a lot of people here commenting spend more time behind their computers/phones than they do out in public. Anyone who's ever been out to a bar or club late has stories of how trashy "classy" women can get. Combine that with an inability to accept responsibility for last night's actions, regret, a celebrity, and modern "everything I say on Twitter is 100% true / don't question me" - and it's very easy to get to this.
Not saying sexual assault doesn't happen. I just struggle with these specific situations - especially in regards to someone as famous as Till, who can get just about any consenting woman he wants due simply to his status.
@@dasfette Right sex drugs and rock n roll. They aren’t claiming he raped them but that his sex “hurt”.
@@dasfette I've been going to concerts for 30+ years. I cannot BEGIN to tell you the number of 'classy' women I've seen who get completely wasted at shows. It never ceases to amaze me how out of control people get in public.
@@grimmygrim3077 classy is just slang for trashy.
They're mad that they're not special.
The way the drummer spoke about Till's parties really sounded like he used his position of power in a, at the very least, reprehensible way.
I really don't see how he's defending Till as some of the comments seem to think.
Hopefully a clearer truth emerges.
Nice to see another comprehensive comment. I felt the same way too, clearly he thinks that there is something wrong with Till. Everyone else thinks that he is defending him. He really didn't need to mention anything about Till besides being innocent until proven guilty. I feel like maybe he thinks there might be something going on w/ Till.
Thank you. I thought maybe it's a translation problem, but I guess it's more like fans who like him don't want to believe that there's anything wrong with Lindemann.
Innocent until proven guilty folks. I know thats almost impossible for this generation of hate....
I don't think he's defending him entirely, he says he doesn't agree with how things went, but I don't think he's condemning him as he says all six of them stand together. I think he's a bit hurt, and he's processing and he's hoping the allegations aren't true, and it seems like he really doesn't have any knowledge of anything illegal happening.
@@velveetaslingshot Definitely agree with you However, I do think that this statement, "innocent ultil proven guilty", in isolation, serves more as an assertion of innocence and disregard for the *potential* victims.
While I fully agree that allegations, true or not, can be incredibly harmful and hurtful before any confirmation, I think it's always good practice to err on the side of caution.
Something which I think the statement of the drummer does very well. As @MannyBrum below me states, he doesn't fully defend nor fully condemn his bandmate.
In my reading of the statement shown in the video, his language seemed to imply that Till, to some extent, did things that he didn't agree with and I found that the large amount of comments saying that he took the side of Till or just "innocent until proven guilty" seemed very dismissive to the potential of actual victims.
Of course the band states they're innocent, but that's why I think everyone should wait until a clearer truth emerges.
Just because Till may not have done something illegal doesn't mean he may not have done something reprehensible, like coercion, like getting partial consent, or otherwise taking advantage of someone vulnerable. That's the grey area.
After the whole ordeal with Decapitated its important to remember THEY ARE INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY.
If some wrong doing has happened, Justice will be served but until the investigation is fulfilled DO NOT attack a victim for coming forward and DO NOT attack Till or the band.
The weight of these allegations cannot be undone, and so if they truly feel attacked then they must come forward. But if (like the decapitated situation) they ended up admitting to lying they should be responsible for jailtime on top of fines.
Really hope this hasnt happened.
Best wishes to all.
_”If some wrong doing has happened, Justice will be served but until the investigation is fulfilled DO NOT attack a victim for coming forward and DO NOT attack Till or the band.”_
Until wrong-doing is proved, there is only an _alleged_ victim.
only innocent until proven guilty of people u like. everyone else will be guilty until proven guilty
@@CertifiedForkLiftOperator69420 I don't even like this band and it's still innocent until proven guilty. Sorry to burst your bubble, pal. 😂
What an absolute professional. Such a thoughtful and well crafted statement.
Christoph is very well spoken! Props to him!
@rainybacon150 I agree.👍
You think he said all of that in one shot exactly as it was portrayed in the statement? It was probably heavily edited and paraphrased. Sorry for breaking your immersion.
The fan wasn't Lithuanian. She is Irish and had travelled to Lithuania to see Rammstein. I'm so glad Christoph spoke his true feelings about the situation, but his statement did make me sad 😔
How so?
@dmonkeyland how so that it made me sad? Just because I've always loved Rammstein, and I'm not saying Till is guilty. Nothing has been proven, and he is innocent until proven otherwise, but to think that anything they do could result in accusations such as this makes me sad. My god, none of them are angels, but I didn't know that Till has a penchant for sex with girls that are unconscious. Maybe it's just a subject that he uses for his poems, and I'm talking shit, but I'm sad that he's pulling away from the rest of the band (Christoph's words) and is doing things that people really dislike
Lithuania and the other Baltic states are very popular in the UK as a destination to get your booze on. Bachelor parties, city trips and binging city trips, in short: the Brits as tourists for "what they do best" Drinking themselves into a stupour.
Add that she never really was a fan, didn't have a clue what the band is about but was gung ho about getting in row 0, backstage and had a really good recollection on what happened for someone who's drink was alledgedly spiked. No drugs in her system, gullible to backstage promises by people she never met.
The German press has always had a hate relationship with Rammstein and now the press smells blood and can't wait to retaliate.
Schneider has reacted too soon for some reason.
@rammsterdamm020 I can't argue with any of this. There is so much out there that disproves what she is saying, and people who were actually there and who saw her completely blow her story to shit. I just can't get my head round why she, or anyone else for that matter, would make up such allegations, especially when there is so much evidence to the contrary?! What does she want to achieve? Royally passing off millions of Rammstein fans, hurting and tearing the band apart? So she got wasted (as you said, it's what we do best!), just admit that you made a tit of yourself and move on. Why try and cover her embarrassment with such awful and life-ruining allegations? Even if Till is proven innocent (which he will be), shit sticks, and he will never be able to get away from this
Sorry to hear, I’d be heartbroken if I found out James Hetfield was in a similar situation.
Just to let you know, the accuser who was at the concert in Lithuania is Irish, from Northern Ireland, and her name is Shelby Lynn... she's definitely not Lithuanian. Other than that, thanks for this update. I'm following this story.
On a lighter note, I just now noticed the Eagles helmet in the background. Grew up in the area and am a life long Eagles & Phillies fan. Have enjoyed your channel for a few years now!
Thank you for keeping American fans updated. Geez, I’m a huge RAMMSTEIN fan, this hurts me. 🙏🏽
😊 she lied. Greetings from Germany 😊😊😊😊
This reads like, look we have our own band parties with people there to keep things straight and he has his own separate parties that we don't touch with a 100 foot pole ...
The first time I heard about this issue the focus was on Joe Letz who has a heinous history of this exact thing and also the one lady. Lindemans involvement was one of being perplexed because he was under the impression that the girl was willingly there to be a groupie. I understand that the sexual nature of the band and the music lends itself to the idea that nonconsensual contact is on the table but it really isn't. This is why you have to vet the people you employ and your with. Joe Letz has gotten sober in recent years and has abandoned his previous crappy ways but this really does feel like a part 2 of his behavior. You gotta know who you deal with
I’m not saying the accuser is lying but I’ve been roofied and I don’t remember a single thing. I hope this gets sorted out and if there’s evidence for or against the allegations then that should be information provided to the public. This woman could have been drugged but not by a band member. The statement by the drummer was exactly what a statement should be.
Lots of people who are drugged have flashbacks. It depends entirely on what drug you were given and how much of it. Your evidence is anecdotal. You say you're not saying she's lying, but your seed of doubt is very much the opposite.
@@tararawson2630 How about the fact that she's on Lexapro? It can increase the effects of alcohol substantially. A few drinks, which are normal for others, can be worth 2x that in people who take Lexapro. Anything to say about that?
You never know someone’s real life until there’s enough evidence to prove that they’re guilty. I know people are defending him which I stand on innocent until proven guilty as well but, also remember stuff like this does happen. For example in Lostprophets nobody knew Ian Watkins personally. They only knew his music side, but not his evil side. Same thing with Dahvie Vanity from Blood on the dance floor. Nobody in the band really knew that he would fly underage fans to his house to take advantage of them…
It’s the woke backlash . People are super unreasonable on both sides .
It's extremely naive to think that all these women are just lying. The problem is that these accusations are hard to prove so i don't think there will be legal consequences
@@irgendeinname9256 No, see. Here's the real problem.
Some women started making up lies to be a part of the metoo movement.
Then you have public cases like Amber Heard and her abuse of Johnny Depp. She stole he life with her lies.
Then there's Amber's best friend Evan Rachel Wood and her lies about Manson.
There was an interview with evan.
She said she had been with one guy, he was abusive, then the next guy.
He was also abusive.
He pretended to be her savior.
Somehow, that's been magically scrubbed from the internet.
There's only like 1 or 2 other woman besides wood still making claims.
The rest were already proven false.
So, the cases were dropped.
Because of these public bought lies were so blindly blieved.
Now, real victims won't be believed.
They will have to work 10 times as hard.
In fact, it's now close being back to where it was, just after laws were passed.
No one cared, it only passed because how hard it as fought for and enough people cared but at the end of the day.
No one as a whole cared.
Reports were seen as a joke.
So, real survivors are getting screwed over because of big-mouthed liars.
It's sad. It's sick It's disgusting.
I say this as a survivior.
Ages: 2, 11, 12, 18, 19.
And even I will not blindly believe anyone.
I require proof because too many people lie.
It's the same with extended family members, neighbours, course mates, and work colleagues. You never really know them when they hide so much, especially the narcissists and those up to no good. I got my fingers burned a few times.
Why should it be any different with famous people? You have to take precautions when dating and at parties and even more now. Never let anyone buy you a drink, even a soft drink, unless you go to the bar with them. Inform someone close to you where you will be and call you halfway through the date to check on you.
Always use your own transport to get to and from the date or party even if it's public transport. Never accept a lift on a first or second date or share a taxi home. You go home by yourself. Don't be afraid of appearing rude by walking out of a building without saying goodbye in dicey situations. You are not being rude in a situation like that but being sensible.
I like Till but if Im being fully honest, it would not surprise me at all if he is guilty.
I’m kind of wondering if the band knew that something was going on, but they turned their head and kind of ignored it. But now they can’t ignore it.
hes also had a long history of physically assaulting people. just recently as well.
@@danielreynolds7458 he elbowed a guy that called his girlfriend a whore. he gave him the opportunity to apologize even beforehand. makes him more of a gentleman to me.
@@void6714Wow, such a gentleman thing to start beating people up over words.
@@sic6664 Yes.
many girls claimed their drinks were spiked only for it to be proved they drank too much
Make sure that if he is indeed innocent of any illegal behaviour then the accusing parties be held accountable and punished accordingly
Don't say this like you know it for sure
@@irgendeinname9256why not, everyone is assuming Rammstein/lindemann is guilty of something. It can very well be false, nobody knows..
People forget how strong of a drug alcohol can be if too much is consumed, I hope this is a situation of people drinking too much and making assumptions, because otherwise we have a coordinated mass slander campaign or a dangerous serial rapists out there
You can't have a band like this traveling the world for as long as Rammstein has and not have situations like this.
The fan was Irish, not Lithuanian.
Until I know more info on this, all I can do is hope till is innocent until proven guilty.
Christoph has a young family and seems like a decent human being. And let's not forget that all of the band members used to "partake" in the groupie scene, so none of them are exactly innocent but I think over time the other band members have settled down and stopped the rock star shenanigans with fans but Till seems to have ramped it up. It must be hard for the other guys to deal with this.
Why would they not be innocent? If the women were all of age and consenting then it's fine.
@@Miss_Kisa94 Yep. Sex is evil it seems. "groupies" are there by choice. It's competition to them.
@@Miss_Kisa94 I don't mean criminally, I mean as in they all got up to the same thing that Till is doing. It's just a saying.
@chelleb3055 Till is accused of having someonewilfully lace a drink for a groupie as opposed to just sharing the company of a consenting groupie.
@@te9591 except she said no and he left 🙄 if he drugged her why would he give a shit about if she said yes or no?
Hope justice don't confuse the character with the person
Hope till didn’t either😂
Makes you wonder why his side project with Tagtren is no more.
colonelkurtz has been interviewing other people who were there including security guards, other fans. definitely recommend watching her stuff. the allegations don't add up to what numerous other people have said who were actually there. that girl was never alone with till apparently and went to the after party but with other people not the after after party with just till and a select handful of fans
The “he’s distance himself from us” statement is alarming considering the last two times I’ve heard that:
As I lay Dying and Lostprophets
I think in those instances it was the band distancing themselves from the accused. This is the other way around. If he's been wrongly accused he may feel depressed, shame, and feels if distancing himself from the band will avoid them facing flak.
@@thewickedwizard the quote read as "distanced himself *for years* ", different altogether
If my drummer comes to my defense, i know ive f'd up
This statement from the drummer is clear, this is the beginning of the end. If the Lead Singer is acting this way it’s only a matter of time
Right, that's what I got out of it. Everyone else is acting like it's a GOOD statement. Haha, wtf? 🤔
@@ihatetobethatguybut....Fr
No
@Abe Froman if the allegations are true I believe there are many talented vocalists out there that can do a good job. The worry is that as the rest of them push 60, how long do they want to go on for?
Their staging company dumped them, universal is dumping them, other publishers are dumping them. The end is nigh.
How did Till manage to spike her drink before the gig?
If only our politicians could speak as direct yet diplomatic as the fkn drummer from rammstein
'Came out on social media' says all I need to know. Didn't go to the police, went to the internet.
BIG red flag.
But there are people here who are ignoring that and think all these random accusations on social media are the gospel truth, no evidence needed, not even a police report, they don't even know if the accounts are bots or trolls.
If Till is guilty let the courts punish him according to law.
If not then the false accusers should be imprisoned.
However this rarely happens. If it did, Amber Heard would be in prison.
Man! Talk about talking sensibility with responsibility. Not just other bands and celebrities, we all could learn from Mr Schneider how to make a public statement
More evidence needed, I'll withhold my judgement til then.
He did not distance himself from Lindemann, he explained Till has his own sideprojects - not unlike Kruspe - and therefor a seperate following and seperate parties. The Irish woman wasn't a fan of either Rammstein nor Lindemann's band and was looking for something wild. She found it. I don't believe the woman and I think now the story becomes a monster she is doubling down. Because, other that getting Irishly drunk, nothing happened to her that would hold up in court.
We as women should be think before we act. Not just go willynilly to a backstage party of a band, or an artist of who she knew nothing about . With women like the Irish woman, serious crimes against women take a massive blow of credibility.
The way she reports about the follow up, the fall out, the cancel culture at work, the comparison to other crime cases that have nothing to do with this casus, and the way she utterly enjoys it, which is not a behaviour of a serious traumatized victim gives the assumption she is in it for attention, followers and some kind of revenge (no idea for what reason) and her demolition course will do more bad than good for victims of violence against women. See Depp - Heard.
Wow! What an intelligent and sensitive statement.
I work concerts everyday and there are security Crew everywhere and cameramen and Photographers someone would have seen something
I have been backstage quite a lot for a band who I became good friends with and I think there is too much going on for this to be true.
Not only that they don't need to get girls backstage.
Most are happy to do it given the chance.
Also quite a lot are happy to do more too!
Not in my case hence why we became good friends.
there are people around at Tills parties too. Richard has had parties too. That doesn’t mean he ever did anything illegal simply because people engage in sex. Shelby is in her 20s she is a grown women who made decisions herself. No drugs were found in her system when tested. There are a LOT of people who travel
with this band because of how big the shows are and how much security they need.
I know Till has his own parties that aren’t full band parties and I thought everyone who follows Rammstein or Lindemann already knew this. He also travels separately on your a lot. He has his own group of friends and people and he is easily overwhelmed in public. That doesn’t mean he’s a criminal however.
@@AKayfabe She probably got hammered with drinking all the redbull alcohol combo and drank more then she realized.
@DragonKnightX12 That happens so many times. Women crying in the loos saying they've been spiked and then you find out they are on meds and have a huge amount. People need to take responsibility for their behaviour.
@@DragonKnightX12Alcohol is one hell of a drug, some people don’t realise that so rush to conclusions
Great statement!
Isn't it a little contradictory that he says he doesn't really know what's going on at Lindemann's parties as he has never attempted one of them, because they are not the same as the official aftershow parties, but then begins to describe that you can leave whenever you want and all the bottles are sealed? How does he know that if he's never been there? I don't know. To me it seems like he just wants to save face and distance himself from the scandal. Not only that, but women are not the only ones who have come forward with accusations. And you can find old videos on youtube of young fans who describe bad experiences with Lindemann as well, only they weren't seen, because they don't have many subscribers and are only resurfacing now, because of the accusations. I believe in innocent until proven guilty as well, still it wouldn't suprise me in the least if there was at least some truth to these accusations, especially because so many women have come forward and their stories match up.
There were two types of aftershow parties. One for Celebrities and the other for Till. Of course, nothing happened at the after-show party for celebrities, but Till's girls are usually not allowed to go there. Of course, all of the crew know what Till does with the girls. When the girls were led into the separate room by security, they called it the Walk of the Sluts. That's all known. Not only in the crew, but also in the Berlin music industry
"Walk of Sluts" yikes, man.
It’s not contradictory as he describes the rammstein parties, not the till parties (that presumably not take place at the same time after the show in the stadium)
And ‘saving face’….i reckon nothing they say right now will be accepted because the trust is gone. It’s a lose lose situation. Must be pretty upsetting for the rest of the band if they indeed had no idea of what exactly went on at till’s parties.
By the way how many women have come forward now and with what stories? Is there an overview somewhere (can’t find it)
He spiked her drink before the show with the cap still sealed? She rejected him and he left angry...tell me again why she didn't make a report and instead went on social media? Her recollection of events makes no sense.
So basically, if you want to screw over any celebrity, just claim they sexually assaulted you. In addition to the negative social media sweep which will occur, their management/employer/producer will cease working with them, even if temporarily.
Yeah that's how this world works it seems like. After all it is Satans fallen world
They will be fine. Their tour is still going, the money is still flowing in, and if he's found innocent, most fans would probably forget about it within a year. People in these comments great this like Rammsteins carreer is over, but with stuff like this, it rarely is.
Here let me fix this for you...."So basically, if you want to rape a woman in a tour bus, just claim that she's lying. you'll find the negative social media sweep will occur and everyone will hate on women publicly. Your career will be fine, if after a temporary hitch."
@@youcanthandlethetruth8873 Yeah, Michael Jackson and Justin Roiland set great precedent in the "they will be fine" area, right?
While they may eventually be "fine", did or did not cause Kiepenheuer & Witsch to terminate their relationship with Lindemann? Did or did not Tagesschau and Süddeutsche Zeitung publish the allegations? The answer to both questions is they DID, and this has an adverse affect upon the band- all based from the allegations of a single person.
"They will be fine. Their tour is still going, the money is still flowing in, and if he's found innocent, most fans would probably forget about it within a year. People in these comments great this like Rammsteins carreer is over, but with stuff like this, it rarely is."
There's over 200 people reporting this, you're naive if you think they're all lying
Rammstein have been my favourite band for well over a decade now, I've met them once, including Till and he was sweet and gentle, I hope that remains the case! I hope for absolutely everyone's sake that this allegation (and others..I haven't looked too much into them) are false. Till has definitely taken his own route with music and expression with his band Lindemann absolutely being provocative to say the least, which would put him in some situations where I'm sure things like the alleged could occur.
Christoph is such a class act, I really truly hope that the way he explains the circumstance is true, and that Till has either not done anything wrong, or can take absolute accountability for his actions.
I feel so so so damn torn hearing things like this, espcially about an artist I've looked up to.
Very sad to hear that till has distanced himself from the rest of the band in recent years with his after show parties, which members of the band seem to be uncomfortable with. Perhaps there was confusion on what party The victim was with, however this statement confirms that members of the band were uncomfortable with till’s after show parties.
The comments are full of innocent until proven guilty, which I understand, however till is guilty of alienating his band mates, and unfortunately, this statement proves that.
Alleged victim*
I personally think the whole thing is bs. I've seen it many times before, women claiming sexual assault to get their paws on some celebs money. Like some months ago there was the incident with pierce the veil, that alleged rape happened 10 years before, funny how she only pops up when the guy has money to pay.
Till isn't even the only person lots of lead singers distance themselves
I could have sworn there were allegations around the time he dropped Till The End and Platz Eins.
he isn’t distancing himself, he said that it’s effecting the band and that he doesn’t think the things being said are true. He made his own statement He said 6 of us we stand together. That doesn’t sound distant to me
A Kayfabe, the drummer's statement said that over the last few years Till has distanced himself from the rest of the band. Created his "own" bubble, if you will.
Irish fan not Lithuanian fan, the show she traveled to was in Lithuania.
Always wait for the facts when it comes to this.
@Rock Feed, thank you and would you be so nice to add that the photo's putted here above have nothing to do with the trial or so please?
Perhaps I'm just "regarded", but I'm not hearing anything that makes me think he did anything wrong. A girl said "no" and he just walked off... what's the problem here exactly? Isn't that what you're supposed to do when someone says they aren't interested??? People have become *FAR* too quick to complain about anything..😒
There are many accusations against Till Lindemann. Albeit, they’re almost all just online posts but that’s enough for the press to basically slander you.
If true, the whole drugging part 😭😭
Germany is riding on a wave of moral posturing right now. They are condemning him by calling the women brave. Well, they are brave if it's been proven that what they are saying is true. Until then it's wrong to call them brave. Also, they are taking about power structures being abused. Which is just dumb. It's called being a groupie and for decades noone gave a fuck about that. Now it's power structures being abused. It's ridiculous.
@dhenderson0786 That part I would understand, but there's nothing in the reports that led me to believe he had anything to do with that. He just entered a room and left
I expect she was miffed he didn't push it and made up accusations
great statement!
I think it was a bad statement. Not in the sense of the wording being poor. But it highlights a certain separation of Lindemann from the rest of the band. I don't think that's helpful to the case.
@@jacktodd3439 also, it's a active case. From what I know you should never talk regarding an open case
@@jacktodd3439 yes. And not just people. The press, which is the worst of them all. If you follow how the press is reporting on it, you'd think he's already been convinced.
@RockFeed01 scam
The interesting thing is that Shelby was accompanied by a blonde woman who took video both before and after Shelby was alleged to have been drugged & there was no difference in her demeanour or behaviour. She bragged that Till had wanted to have sex with her on this video. It doesn't look as if anything untoward actually happened in this woman's case.
untill there is a conviction or something i won't believe a word. yes till is a massive pervert but as far as we know he hasn't raped anyone or done anything illegal
and she went to twitter BEFORE going to the police, if she even went to the police, tells you everything you need to know about this case
In her defense, police tend to not do their job, especially not for well known people like Till (if it is true)
That's how you present a statement.
The accusation is more than likely bogus. Another RUclipsr interviewed a girl that was with the accuser in row 0 and said she was the loudest, most obnoxious person there. She was even irritating the crew by not following rules (put in place so you don't get your face blasted off by pyro). She made a video while still there saying Till wanted her to have sex with her and "EW". The case is going to get thrown out but not without hurting Lindemann's reputation first.
Can you link this interview?
@@TransDrummer1312Colonel Kurz-Controversy is the channel.
Don't invalidate the victims. It's the same as prejudging the band. It's very unlikely that many accusations are without any base, especially since many are afraid and chose to stay anonymous
Afraid of what?😂
@@elizabeths640 Angry fans? The lawyer machinery? Rammstein even said recently they would go to court. And several victims said, other managers, people in the scene etc tried to play it down, and them (victims) not to release statements.
Why you trying to downplay it as if it was a 'stupid game' or some 'teenagers trying to get fame online', with your cry laughing emoji kid comment? its obvious it isn't that
He left the room angry... That guy always looks angry😅
Great statement!
I got to stress the fact that the presumed victim didn't turn to the police or to any authorities with her complaints, but went right to the social media.
And "don't go astray from the band" part is also quite true.
but she was at police to report.
@@AutomanicJack when? After posting everything everywhere?
@@katekrylov no, before
@@AutomanicJack right after the show?
@@katekrylov after she woke up,. not remembering how she came to her room. but i can calm you, almost all other allegedly victims did not go on social media but spoke with journalists and probably with police at that point. the investigations in germany dont have anything to do with Shelby linn, because she is irish and the supposed spiking of the drink did take place in Lithuania, so has nothing to do with german police.
Sounds like Till has slowly drifted away from the rest of the band, with Till forming his own separate Entourage from the rest of the group.
Is there any actual proof she was drugged? Or is it all still accusations at this point?
Well said Christoph.
Why would you go to social media rather than hospital to document the facts of foul play? As a lithuanian myself I can assure you would be able to talk to them in english and get all of your needed services as EU citizen. However nothing was done to document the facts, therefore it's almost impossible to win the case in court. As for other ladies cases - I'm not sure because I have heard nothing about them yet. The presumption of innocence is firm in most of the EU as well, we should not forget that. I'm very very suspicious about this certain incident in Lithuania, but as for all the others - we will have to wait on more info.
kinda curious how she remembers any of this if her drink was spiked
She said she "Declined his advances and he left angry"
That is not a crime. People are allowed to court people.
And it sounds like he didn't force the issue, I don't see a crime here. Better have some evidence.
Yeah I do think he is a nasty old pervert for sure, but I would not go as far as to assume he is a rapist without any hard evidence
@@whyisyes3957 If he's trying to pick up 20 year olds I wouldn't give the slightest shit.
There are gold diggers with 90 year olds.
Let him enjoy.
Buuuuuut, if there is evidence he forced anything. We have a problem.
I do not see that here.
@@XEN-ZOMBIE Yeah I agree, as much as someone may disagree with it, so far nothing he has done is illegal even if people find it strange/creepy
She said no , and he left.
What is the crime?
If she was unconscious how did she resist?
He could have his pick of any
of tons of willing women.
I tend to disbelieve that Till did anything wrong.
I support you Till!
He drink was still spiked
@@nathanwright5543 - Be stwink saw spike he was?
Da-hell you smoking, brother.
I want somma dat.
@@nathanwright5543by who?
@@nathanwright5543 i,thought they did tests and she wasn’t spiked?
I agree with you, not because I think he's an angel, but because, by her own recount, he left. Angry, but he left nonetheless. No crime there.
As for spiking drinks, I doubt he needs to do that... Plenty of girls who throw themselves at him without it, I'm sure.
Unless all drinks were spiked for everyone's extra enjoyment (not specifically to take advantage of this one girl, I mean). I could see that. But hey, you're not going to a church party, are you. Be careful of your choices and environment. It's not "victim blaming", it's just pointing out the obvious.
Either way, he left. So where's the issue?
Even if you (no matter who reads this :) ), did not follow the best band in the world for MANY years, you 'should' (?) feel something is not right about such allegations. Till is THE man (with love and loads of respect for each member, from my heart), who kept the band together when Emerate started and before. He keeps motivating his friends when things are 'should'nt we stop and i would like to do something else' etc. Like most of the band members do have their own projects. As Till does. He only has to wink (or even not) and (as i would be myself ;), the girl-woman that fancys him will come over and they will have great times. He has worked his ass off (as all members do-did), and has achieved (finally!) so much now. They didn't give up. When the success arrives, also the vultures. (i'm a woman, hetero, as well), it also means that i know & seen 'my sisters' behaving like bitches. When a man does not give them the attention they want, they go do mean stuff or gossip & lie. We all do know that , yes? As many other people explain her below, it does not makes sense. Why the heck would he insist with a girl?! He can have everyone, and that girl, who did the drugs in her drink? Right. Maybe her lady friend O.o.
“We stand together” but let me clean my ass before is too late and throw my friend under the bus. 😂
Just to clarify the fact. Not a Lithuanian fan. The show is in Lithuania but the fan is from abroad.
Key words: she alleges
Haha i got a simply spiked lemonade ad right under the video some things just line up perfectly
Rammstein is a great band musically, but as you may know, Till wrote all the lyrics to the songs... and if you look at those lyrics, well... They don't do him any favors.
As I always say, what's in your heart, comes out in your art.
I don’t believe this happened they way she says it did. But one thing I can guarantee is that if he is found innocent the story won’t get half the coverage.
the accusation is the punishment. it doesn't have to be true. people just have to know of it. she will get a slap on the wrist for lying and the whole band will lose everything true or not.
This what people do,when you're famous that's why you stay away from fans because they will lie just to get your money 💰,some will
That's One of the most level headed statement from any member, from a banda, i've heard. The Bublle reference worries me a bit and Aldo the distancing from the members of the band. I believe it' s not the same , but in some respects it reminds me of Ian Watkins from Lostprophets case. I sure hope i'm wrong .
Same I do hope this is all false… for the sake of how horrific this would be if it was true
I heard there is a "witness" stating that the "accuser was lying?"
Till doesn't need to assault anyone, there are literally thousands of women at any concert who would sleep with him.
I always think bands get on and hang out together backstage, it's rarely the case it seems
I've met Till 3 times. There was attraction, but he was a gentleman. That's all I'll say. Sure, maybe he got a little crazy while drinking, but I always felt safe.
I just don't believe this shite.
Lol, his stage persona has finally caught up with him. Distancing himself from his own band ???? Red flag
Can’t believe you people are believing him instead of the victims. I stand with them.
The problem is the alleged victims lack evidence, until evidence shows up we cannot assume he is guilty based on word alone
Tough situation, if they lose till rammstein is over. Sucks for all involved.
Not really. There's guys who sound just like him.
So she declined sexual activity, and he didn't rape her and just accepted the no and walked off a bit pissed? It's not illegal to get angry, even if morally getting pissed someone wont' sleep with you is annoying.
It’s already happening, Universal is already stopping promotions for the band when it’s just he said she said. Guilty till proven innocent
Maybe Universal know more than we know.
@@PM-vv3uc Not that I think Johnny Depp is innocent, but he same was done to him and yet the courts wound up ruling in his favor. So, no, production companies don't always know one way or another. They just don't want the stink of a criminal investigation hanging around them.