Why They CAN’T Put Alec Baldwin In Jail! (It Forces Them To Admit It Wasn’t The Guns Fault?)
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Hannah Gutierrez Reed's maximum sentence is "bad news" for Alec Baldwin, who heads to court in July for the same charge of involuntary manslaughter in connection to the "Rust" movie set fatal shooting.
The "Rust" armorer was sentenced to 18 months behind bars after a judge slammed her for not taking responsibility for her actions that a jury found led to the death of the movie's cinematographer. Halyna Hutchins died Oct. 21, 2021, after a gun that Baldwin was holding discharged.
Do you think Alec Baldwin will go to prison?
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Do you think they will finally admit it wasn't the guns fault, but the individual holding the gun?
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NOPE
Who is “they”?
They won't put a single person that knows how to handle a gun or knows how firearms work on that jury.
Cause they would be bias
@@cacadaca4123but if that biase is rooted on my empirical facts is it really biased?...
Fact : a Gun cannot fire on its own unless you squeeze the trigger or without some kind of external force (like dropping it for instance) 🤷🏼♂️
The armeror didn’t give the gun to anyone. She was forced to leave the guns on a table outside.
She wasn’t even there because they gave her extra duties.
You can see in the film shot during the incident that Baldwin has his finger one the trigger and uses that as leverage to draw the revolver. He then continues to hold the trigger back as he cocked the revolver. As soon as he released the hammer it fell as he continued to hold the trigger back. BANG!
Happens every time.
Baldwin just belongs in prison for the rest of his life with no chance of ever getting out of jail
Alec Baldwins dad was the shooting team coach at his high school. He knew gun safety.
He just chose to disregard gun safety.
Baldwin should NOT go on trial as an actor that pulled the trigger of a gun that was handed to him by the armorer. Baldwin SHOULD, however, go on trial in his official capacity as the movie's PRODUCER as he showed clear negligence by not insuring everyone and everything on that set was safe for other humans (in my opinion). Just like when DA's overcharge police officers with murder 1 when they should be pursuing murder 2 or manslaughter, any attempt to charge Baldwin as an ACTOR and not a PRODUCER will ultimately result in his acquittal I firmly believe.
I agree with you 100%
That is the correct answer. Charging him as the actor gives him the defense of “idk someone I trusted handed me a prop. There wasn’t supposed to real ammunition on set”
I"m no Baldwin fan ( I did like The Hunt for Red October) but I'm concerned that we are criminalizing acts of pure carelessness. It's one thing to accidently drive thorugh a stop sign and cause a crash that very seriously injures another, but it's another to drive 50 mph over the speed limit, lose control and crash and kill someone. Guns are used in many movies, John Wick for example. I don't believe Baldwin's culpable conduct rose to the level of willful negligence, a standard that requires a form of malice (mens rea).
Had the bullet only slightly injured the victim (grazed the arm) there would be no trial. There would have been a civil suit and the case would have been settled. There probably wouldn't have been a big criminal investigation. Baldwin would have been seen as a dope, and the case would have been closed IMHO.
Baldwin was only one of nine producers on the movie at the time. If they convict him on that basis, then the eight other producers should also be convicted.
@@edennis8578
One of them was charged and pled to a lessor charge and served his probation already.
Put his butt in jail where he belongs!😡
Convicting the armorer already put it on a person, not the gun.
Truth ☝
I don't laugh out loud at much. But I absolutely guffawed when I heard the statement read from Morrisey's answer that this whole thing was interfering with Hannah's "modeling career". 😂
We don’t have a justice system anymore.
"I live in a house that's basically made of guns." Awesome line and I feel you brother!
the first thing i learned in Hunters Safety was never assume that a firearm is unloaded. please rember blanks inder the right cicumstances can be deadly.
Armorer: absolutely negligible, and yes, guilty. Baldwin: also negligible, also guilty. But it remains to be seen if the court finds him guilty. I would stress, though, that this isn't a done deal yet, and there is absolutely a chance that justice will be served here, so I would hope that we don't just say, "Here's how things work, no doubt about it."
Ed is, hands down, your best guest. You should interview him whenever there is an issue to be addressed that has broad cultural/societal association.
This was not an accident. This was 100% neglegence. The armorest and Mr. Baldwin are both responsible for what happened.
Beg to differ on the armorer's culpability.
It was planned
@@jimf.1318 Does have hit written all over it. Untouchable celebrity. Question is why...
@@ScrappyXGC My details are rusty (no pun intended), but she was married to an attorney (Matthew Hutchins) who was taking a case against someone from the committee.
This is no coincidence.
@@jimf.1318 Yes, and the husband was not distraught. Had already forgiven Alec in less than a month. I agree, this was not "an accident".
Alec Baldwin is a veteran. He knows about gun safety on a set as much as anybody. He was negligent and should go to jail. Even if he had no producing credit. Put the actor who pulled the trigger without confirming the barrel was empty in jail and you can bet film sets will be safer.
LOL even Adam Balwin chastized him on the twitmochine 👍
It's like the swiss cheese model, commonly used in aviation. There are layers of protection. If you ignore those layers of protection, eventually the holes in each layer will line up and you will have an accident.
He ought to go to prison if for no other reason that he's clearly lied, it's a single action revolver. It doesn't "go off".
No gun just "goes off", not even Sig's.
in extreme heat, shells can misfire. They were in a dessert weren't they?
@alexghous If by extreme heat you mean throwing shells into a campfire then yes, they will fire off but not by just carrying a loaded gun around in the NM desert.
Under what conditions do weapons misfire in the NM desert? as opposed to Alaska? Or Hawaii?
I don’t care it a thousand people say the weapon isn’t loaded, I’m going to verify
Yup, even if I see them check for clear, I recheck when handed it.
On the range I've seen a partial extration, not even a full stove pipe. They thought it was empty, no, there were still rounds in the mag. All you'd have to do was yank that slide back and the next round would have been seated after the partial eject went flying off from the full rack.
He was stupid not to check and he should not have pointed it at anyone
"Guns just don't go off"
**Sig enters chat**
LMFAO. I have to agree....Sigs are dangerous, but even when they go off, it's because the ultra-light trigger rubbed up against a loose holster or whatnot.
@9:46... yes, yes, yes, yes!!!!! It's like, my hand is on the knife handle, my hand is on the steering wheel, my hand is on the ________. If it's in my hand I AM RESPONSIBLE !!!!!!!!!
Not in the movie industry. It's actually against the law for an actor to check the gun. If he does, the law requires the armorer to take the gun away, recheck it, and give the actor a lecture on how he's not allowed to check the gun. Most actors are drug-addled alcoholics; of course they aren't allowed to check the guns.
Unless it's a technical malfunction maybe, yet the gun in this case worked as intended and didn't malfunction.
so you just claim 100% liability when someone else hits you in auto accident?
@@whita-db9zw You got the premise wrong though, after all the victims aren't prosecuted but the Perp is.
As in when you are behind the wheel and decide to do something stupid but put you on a collision course with another car but then acting surprised your brakes aren't magic and there's a distance needed to slow down the car before it fully stops. (kinda like pointing the gun at someone and pulling the trigger one way or another)
Then yeah you're responsible.
When another car hits you instead and you didn't do anything wrong, (like being hit by a guy who pointed a gun at you and pulled the trigger one way or another) then it's a different situation.
Hence no sane person calls for the prosecution of the two victims of Baldwin.
His refusal to take the safety course might get him
He's just as accountable as her, perhaps more so as an experienced actor. He's not unfamiliar with guns, having handled them in many of the movies he's appeared in. Lock him up.
This will be the issue at trial. The criminal intent of Alec Baldwin. There must be some degree of criminal culpability (mens rea) in order for there to be a crime. If the jury determines Baldwin's conduct was pure carelessness, without any aggravating factors to rise to the level of involuntary manslaughter, then there can be no crime. Check out the definition of involuntary manslaughter.@@raffpants618
@@raffpants618 ah, yeah!
@@phiberoptik232Actors are not legally allowed to check the guns. They aren't qualified. The armorer is qualified, period. That's movie legal regulations.
@@edennis8578 Again, your statements in this comment section are utter nonsense. The SAG AFTRA Safety Bulletin that details the business practices of a movie set says that everyone is responsible for firearms safety. Actors, like George Clooney and Will Smith, always check their firearms. The SAG AFTRA safety practices of a movie set also do not override state law.
@@raffpants618 there could be a 100% live rounds on set and nobody would have died if nobody would have pulled the trigger (one way or another) of said gun(s) with live rounds in them.
So why shouldn't the guy pulling the trigger, while pointing the gun at someone, be charged with reckless disregard to the safety of others and punished accordingly? Being stupid or inexperienced (which Baldwin isn't in the latter case) isn't a defense.
Alec Baldwin should go to jail for falsely pretending to be an actor.
Actor with a temper problem to boot!
Always assume a weapon is loaded
Why would the armorer ever keep live ammunition on a movie set?
It's funny they only found 5 loaded rounds on set... who put them there? Alec?
I’ve not been able to understand why there would be a reason to point the gun at another person on a set. The cameras are positioned to give the illusion of the gun pointed at someone. Why would someone off camera be in a position of actually being in the line of fire even if it were a blank? None of this makes sense. For any armorer to not check the firearm for cartridges is beyond comprehension, given the risk.
You're kidding, right?
Have you ever watched movies and tv?
Firearms are literally pressed against the heads of other people, barrels in peoples mouths...
I'm no fan of Balwin, but films and TV break the safe handling rules of firearms by necessity all the time.
What is the standard practice when someone hands you a firearm?!? (Even if they tell you it's unloaded.)
On a movie set?
Do you really believe every actor on a movie set checks the rounds in the firearm they are handed?
@@Incomudro1963 Well apparently not or there wouldn't be this topic in discussion. It has nothing to do with believing, it's about what SHOULD anyone/everyone do when handed a firearm.
@@Incomudro1963 They should.
@Incomudro1963 This has been going on how long? Other actors have shown you that they're required to go through training and weapon discipline. The same training that Alec Baldwin has gone through multiple times. He gets a pass because he hates Orange Man.
That's why I made the comment above. This case will come down to the jury instructions the judge reads to the jury. The jury will have to decide if Baldwin's conduct rose to the level of willful disregard for the safety of another. If they decide it's carelessness and not willful negligence, then there was no criminal intent to cause harm. IMHO. Check out the definition of involuntary manslaughter. @@Incomudro1963
It says much when they sentence everybody but the numbnuts that pulled the trigger. This is a mockery of justice.
The rich and connected can always afford a fall guy, or fall gal in this case.
If Baldwin is convicted, then a lot more actors are going to refuse to trust the armorers. In making a movie involving guns, the actors have never been convicted, and almost never charged, because movie legal regulations require that the actor never check the gun. That's exclusively the armorer's responsibility. If the actor checks the gun, the armorer is required to take the gun away from the actor, recheck it, and give the actor a lecture on how they aren't allowed to check the gun.
@@edennis8578 actor legal regulations? You mean their personal code of conduct which tells them they themselves have to be aware of gun safety and not disregard it...which also wouldn't be legally binding as the screen actors guild isn't a law crating agency, that's for the legislative of the state/country.
Son-inlaw was a prop man and has told me that live ammunition is prohibited on set!
I love that opening. 🔟/🔟
I'm sure there'll be lawsuits after this. This isn't over for her
There have already been numerous civil lawsuits. Some have even been settled.
You treat all guns like theyre loaded...period. especially on these movie sets , those are real firearms in alot of cases
There is lots of blame to go around .Balwin was one of the producers so he should make sure everything is safe on the set . He will certainly try to dodge this --- He was offered a gun safety class on the set but he was not interested . He also broke the rules on the set and should only accept the gun from the armor directly . It has been said the he got the gun from the 2nd director. In the movies they aim off center not directly anyone . Alec lied he said he never pointed the gun at anyone . He also said he never pulled the trigger the gun just went off--- WTF If anti-gun Alec would have taken a gun safety class he would have learned to always check the gun regardless if some-one says its empty . Baldwin has been in movies for a long time . Remember The Hunt of Red October . It seems no one was following SOPs on the set .What a loss --
It's funny, the armorer pushed for gun safety classes/training for the actors in the movie. That was denied by the producer 🤔
@@ScrappyXGC I agree .
One law for thee and another for me.
Based on what you said he should not have pointed the gun at her
I never have live ammo in the same room as my unloaded firearms. I still check when doing dry fire practice. Knock on wood, no NDs in 50 years of firearm use.
From where is the audio, that intro? From some game?
Bringing live ammo on set was the first mistake. Even if you are target shooting, when you are done you always make sure the guns are empty. That was the second failure. Third, was letting Baldwin get away with not taking the gun safety class. Then to not check the gun again before giving it to Baldwin is inexcusable. Alex pointing the gun at the women he killed and pulling the trigger ? How many mistakes have to be made to kill someone. That many? Nothing seems right about the whole thing.
This story broke pretty much right after I'd spent a year validating military units on various ranges as part of their pre-mobilization process. As part of that responsibility, I drafted the deliberate risk assessment for every range we did from the M9/M17 pistol to crew serve weapons (M249/240B and M2 50 Cal). So as soon as I'd heard this story, I knew that there were likely not a whole lot of good answers to the questions that someone with my knowledge and experience might be asking......
Regarding what was said at 13:05 The Quartering did a video in which he detailed her sloppy history as an armorer. She NDed right next to Nicholas Cage and he stormed off set. She had no business doing this type of work.
It's the armorer's job to make sure the firearms are safe for the actors to use. Many times actors are not knowledgeable about firearms but still need to do their jobs. Sometimes the actors are even children. That's why the job of armorer exists. To keep things safe. She failed miserably at her job. I would say the fault lies on her and not the actor. By the time the gun gets to an actor, it's supposed to be a prop, not a gun, therefore the actor has no responsibility to see if the prop is using blanks or the chamber is empty or whatever.
This.
You're the only one who gets it.
The use of firearms in movies and TV by necessity breaks the rules of safe firearm handling.
There is no way every actor handed a firearm on the set checks the rounds in it.
That's not their responsibility.
I would like to counter this argument with both can be true at the same time. Even if the weapon had blanks in it he was not supposed to be playing with it. No one instructed him to point and pull the trigger. He made that choice on his own and put that part of the responsibility on himself.
Basic firearm safety every gun is loaded and don't point it at something you are not willing to destroy and lastly don't put your finger on the trigger until you are ready to fire the gun. He drew the gun with his finger on the trigger and he pointed it at the people he shot.
@@mikesemenko4944 Every film and TV show that includes firearms breaks basic firearm safety.
Ever see Lethal Weapon?
Mel Gibson puts the barrel of his Beretta in his mouth.
@@basscannon762 Right... But the scene would have called for him to point the firearm at some point and pull the trigger.
The video about caliber was about 29 seconds of caliber and an hour and a half of leading up to something I never made it to. It was probably worth the wait, but I accidently restarted the page. Then I found out I could not fast forward to the point I left off. If you could fix this major problem I would like to finish watching it so.e time.
Lots of people have the same issue. We are looking into it.
I'll probably be able to get SSI after reading this comment section lol
I think he accepted responsibility for his actions by refusing to do the safety training. Also whoever let him refuse is also responsible.
He should get life without parole and a felon for life.
You always check your chamber and never point it at anything you don’t intend to destroy.
He is 100% at fault not anyone else’s especially the firearm’s fault
Another couple juicy items: 1) Alec and family sold house in Hamptons to cover court costs and prison sentence and 2) Alec goes to the prison with the tennis courts. That is half of the reason they sold the house, and lawyer fees are the second half. If it was one of the round table speakers of this article, they would already be in prison.
She was too young and inexperienced. What if United Arlines hired a pilot who had only flown a Cessna, and something went wrong? The FAA has regulations that prevent this from happening, so maybe Hollywood needs to create some regs regarding firearms.
There already are. The SAG AFTRA Safety Bulletin details the business practices of a movie set, which were blatantly violated by a number of people on this movie set. It also states that the SAG AFTRA safety practices of a movie set do not override state law.
Alec "I didn't pull the trigger!" Baldwin is guilty.
If the trigger didn't click, you must acquit
“Guns don’t just go off” - Sig has left the chat
It's not the weapon it is the operator of the weapon,which begins s with the armor.
It's almost as if they didn't take that part of their job seriously.
This case became more about Baldwin than Halyna Hutchins. The media made Alec the victim, rather than about Halyna. I always bring up, Halyna Hutchins name when I talk about this case, she’s been memory holed.
since when is it an actor's job to check the weapons their handed? it's not the actor's fault if the professional weapon handler is negligent. let take another movie as an example as to why actors don't do that, the matrix, what would the logistics be on that set for each actor to go and manually check every gun their supposed to shoot before the start of each scene? I personally don't like alec baldwin but that's irrelevant. this is just drama and a witch hunt. and yes she should have got more time since it was her fault. there should never be live ammo on set ever.
The SAG AFTRA Safety Bulletin details the business practices of a movie set. Firearms safety is an individual responsibility that can not be passed off to someone else. Everyone that contributed to the death by being negligent is culpable. The most uttered sentence after an unintentional shooting is: “”I thought it was unloaded. It never works in court.
A number of famous actors came out after the shooting, saying that they check a firearm every time they handle it. That includes actors, like Will Smith and George Clooney.
By the way, this was a rehearsal, where no shots were going to be fired and no video was being taken. The Rust movie set had an inert replica firearm that Baldwin should have used.
Since there's laws in place that make you responsible when you shoot someone. Screen actor standards aren't laws, nor are celebrities above laws (least they shouldn't be).
@@NephritduGrey do think the guy that killed brandon lee should have been prosecuted because he didn't check the gun for a squid? whose job is it to do that? I'm not saying they should be above the law. I personally have nothing but contempt for most of them. from the actor's perspective that's an accident, not a violent crime. the accident happened because the armorer didn't do their job. in the end I suspect the courts will agree with me. just my opinion, we'll see what happens.
@@oubliette862 Hm, the filmmakers got sued and it got settled out of court.
That said each person handling a firearm should check the gun themselves and it seems the gun in that case was also not properly checked.
But yes, personal responsibility dictates that the one to operate the gun in question has to take personal responsibility and check the gun they're about to use, the status as actor should be irrelevant to it.
After all that would be the only scenario where everyone has the same burden of responsibility under the law, by treating everyone equally.
@@NephritduGrey regardless, the outcome of it all should be interesting. this is a case where I can gladly say, better him than me.
The gun was not faulty proven when the gun was studied. Therefore the only way the gun could have fired was if his finger was on the trigger when he thumbed the hammer back.
Alec is on record saying in the 1st police interrogation that he wanted to become a gun owner but his wife was vehemently against it. So I don't think he is against guns.
Oh, he absolutely is against guns. His own tweets say so.
Waiting for justice
Our gov is supposed to manage infrastructure, not us.
I'm with Shane Gillis on this one.
They'll never hold him responsible.
I want to watch the movie 🎥
Even being sarcastic Baldwin is no treasure
If Baldwin had taken one gun safety course, this tragedy would have NEVER happened.
Baldwin is responsible for his actions of pulling the trigger and killing Halenya. The armorer is responsible for ALLOWING live ammo on the set, period.
Each should be held accountable in their roles on this.
Yes, this is all true. The question the jury must consider is whether the culpability of Baldwin was more than mere negligence. If not, then there was no criminal intent and thus, no crime.
Under movie legal regulations, actors are not allowed to check the guns. That means that they can't be held legally responsible. Under the regulations, if an actor checks the gun, the armorer is legally required to take the gun away from the actor, recheck it, and give the actor a lecture on how he isn't allowed to check the gun.
You forgot that Baldwin was responsible for hiring the armorer.
@@edennis8578
That is not correct. That is movie guide lines when filming in Hollywood. My understanding is that it is not law. It may or may not be the law in California. The problem is that they were filming in New Mexico. They need to follow New Mexico law. As producer Baldwin has more responsibility than he would had he been just an actor.
@@daffidavit "Mere negligence" is gross negligence when deadly weapons are involved and someone get's killed. Firearms safety is an individual responsibility that can not be passed off to someone else. Everyone that contributed to the death by being negligent is culpable. The most uttered sentence after an unintentional shooting is: “”I thought it was unloaded. It never works in court.
If Alec Baldwin was a Trump supporter, he would of been in jail, day 1.
Hope I’m wrong but I’m betting Alec Baldwin will never be punished for what he did.
Nobody ask the question why is there live ammo on a movie set? WTF????😮😒😪
They have been shooting live rounds in the off hours in the desert for fun.
I learned at an early age in the military you never point a weapon of any type at anyone at anytime unless you plan to shoot common sense. No Exuse!
If you are an adult with a firearm in your hand you are responsible for what happens with it. Good or bad.
Alec is guilty and should go to jail for a much longer amount of time. A woman lost her life. How much is her life worth?
I saw a video of a little girl being handed a gun on a gun range, and she accidentally kills the instructor. Nobody thinks she should be charged with murder even though SHE was the person holding the gun and who pulled the trigger. There was a protocol that we expected the instuctor to follow to keep the event safe.
If a movie script calls for a five year old actor to hold a gun - we would not hold that actor responsible if he killed someome with it. There is a protocol on movie sets to keep the set safe - and it does NOT include firearms training for all the actors. Even Keanu Reaves should be stopped, if he were to open a revolver after it was handed to him by an armoror. The protocol process would start all over again, with the armoror checking the firearm.
I really REALLY don't like Alec - and as a producer, he should be held accountable for the dangers on that set - but not as an actor who was holding the gun. (and yes, maybe he got away with intentionally murdering someone - he MIGHT have been handed a safe gun, which he then loaded with a real round)
It appears that a lot of people supporting Baldwin use the child actor nonsense lately to absolve him. Child actors or children at a gun range require adult supervision. The adult supervisor is legally responsible for safe firearms handling.
Firearms safety is an individual legal responsibility that can not be passed off to someone else. Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, David Halls, and Alec Baldwin contributed to the death of Halyna Hutchins by being criminally negligent. They are all culpable. Hannah Gutierrez-Reed and David Hall already have been convicted. Alec Baldwin is next. The most uttered sentence after an unintentional shooting is: “I thought it was unloaded”. It never works in court.
Get some training to understand the legal ramifications of handling a firearm.
4:40 Alec Baldwin and everyone else should be trained to use a firearm whether in movies or not! If you are going to have a firearm for protection, you should have training!
The key word here is negligence! My issue with this is all the side stories about workers walking off set and complaining about unsafe conditions! That is the main issue. According to what I read she wasn’t even the one to hand it to him. Who was shooting live rounds? Was Alex a part of that? Quite honestly he had complaints and he ignored them to the point of blaming the whistle blowers, so he knows their are issues. He was the one pointing and clicking, you have an obligation to check the gun in my mind. If Alex was just an actor in a scripted scene I would give him a pass, but there was too much happening.
- sounds like he went beyond what he was supposed to do in the scene.
- he was ignoring complaints and is responsible in his extra executive producer role.
- he likely knew they were mishandling the weapons and using them in live firings. maybe even participated.
People discuss all these extraneous movie set issues, because it is entertaining, but they are irrelevant. Firearms safety is an individual responsibility that can not be passed off to someone else. Everyone that contributed to the death by being negligent is culpable. The facts of the criminal case would be the same if the shooting had happened in someone's backyard with no actors and movie set.
Person A loaded a firearm with live rounds and marked it as unloaded. Person B took that firearm without verifying its state and gave it to person C as a supposed unloaded firearm. Person C took that firearm without verifying its state, pointed it at person D, cocked the hammer, and pulled the trigger. Person D gets shot and dies. Persons A, B and C are all criminally liable for their acts of negligently handling a firearm and its ammunition and causing the death of person D.
Person A, Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, was offered a plea deal, refused it, and was found guilty of involuntary manslaughter. Person B, David Halls, pleaded guilty to negligent use of a deadly weapon. Person C, Alec Baldwin, is charged with involuntary manslaughter, was offered a plea deal, refused it, and will be found guilty.
If someone won't sit through basic gun safety training, they shouldn't be allowed to handle a gun. You can spend 10 - 15 minutes watching it on RUclips. That little bit of time could save someone's life.
I doubt that she will do her full sentence !
Check out the definition of involuntary manslaughter. It will all come down to the jury's decision of the culpability of Alec Baldwin and whether his conduct rose above the level of pure carelessness. IMHO.
The key sentences in the NM jury instructions for manslaughter (NM 14-231) are
- Alec Baldwin should have known of the danger involved by Alec Baldwin's actions.
- Alec Baldwin acted with a willful disregard for the safety of others.
- Alec Baldwin's act caused the death of Halyna Hutchins.
The first point is clear. Alec Baldwin testified that he knew that he was handling a real firearm and therefore was aware of the danger involved in pointing it at the victim, cocking the hammer and pulling the trigger. Alec Baldwin also testified that he had 3 decades of firearm training. He certainly should have known that there could be a live round in there and therefore should have checked it for himself.
The second point is clear by his testimony and by the evidence. He assumed that the firearm wasn't loaded, pointed it at the victim, cocked the hammer and pulled the trigger. By his own testimony, he wasn't sure that the gun wasn't loaded.
The third point is clear by the evidence. He shot and killed the victim.
Why shouldn't he go to jail for failing to take the proper precaution before he decided to point a gun at someone and pulled the trigger (one way or another as the gun didn't malfunction)? At least he's in reckless disregard of gun safety, at worst he maliciously intentionally fired the gun to scare someone (albeit maybe not ending the life of someone intentionally but due to his disregard to be a responsible gun user of a gun he knows isn't a toy and hence could be a deadly weapon).
And the victim? her name was Halenya Hutchins? Is that correct. I do wonder if it takes much dexterity to switch a round in those weapons such as went off by itself?
I, too, love using IRONY and SARCASM to make a point more obvious. You were great.
Unfortunately, there are TWO kinds of people who will take you LITERALLY, every time.
They can't recognize IRONY or SARCASM, when they're being used, so you could spend way too
much of your time, soothing bruised egos and hurt feelings, trying to explain what you really meant!
The two types of people, who just don't “get it” (below), easily make up 2/3 of the world's population.
They Are:
1) Those for whom ENGLISH is a SECOND language and
2) Those for whom it ISN'T!
C'mon! Be honest! You want him on jail just for moking Trump in SNL.
This is pathetic. Pretending movie actors on set have been following gun safety rules for the last 100 years is just a lie, and doesn't do a damned thing to support 2A.
It is all they give in New Mexico for this charge.
he will get the country club prison
Lol
California or Illinois, I don’t know which has the worst gun laws?
Don’t tell me I shouldn’t have shot you because your weapon was empty?
I fully support USCCA. As a Canadian, I wish to God we had something like that here!
As for Mr. Baldwin, I do believe he’s going to be found guilty. His conduct and his actions were respectively inappropriate and criminal. He will be found guilty. Whether or not he’s sentenced to probation, jail, or prison? I honestly cannot say. While I do hope he’s handed a prison sentence, you’re right; he’s Alec Baldwin. All we can do is watch and wait. This trial will probably receive coverage similar to that of O.J. Simpson.
Collectively, let us pray for justice for his victims. The lady outside the courthouse is wearing a blindfold for a reason.
Keep us the great work, USCCA.
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Thank you for the support! 🙂
And that day will come when he will be judged no rest for the wicked
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just like this the Challenger accident was 100 percent available. whistleblowers had been telling Boeing and NASA the O rings were going to be a catastrophic failure point.
this "accident" was the same thing. anyone watching Hannah and crew were a bit uneasy already.
did he have a hand gun permit?
I don't understand why any movie would actually use a real weapon. Why.? Everything else is fake.
Hey he didn't pull the trigger. The gun pointed itself at a woman, loaded an checked itself,and killed a woman. "Gun's Fault"! Aleck the poster boy of gun control, is innocent.
13th, 20 April 2024
He does have suspiciously good hair.
Lol
I don't know. He looks pretty scruffy in this movie.
I’m sorry, I don’t understand why there was a real gun with actual ammunition on a movie set. Whoever bought the ammunition on set is at fault, not the damn actor.
People discuss all these extraneous movie set issues, because it is entertaining, but they are irrelevant. Firearms safety is an individual responsibility that can not be passed off to someone else. Everyone that contributed to the death by being negligent is culpable. The facts of the criminal case would be the same if the shooting had happened in someone's backyard with no actors and movie set.
Person A loaded a firearm with live rounds and marked it as unloaded. Person B took that firearm without verifying its state and gave it to person C as a supposed unloaded firearm. Person C took that firearm without verifying its state, pointed it at person D, cocked the hammer, and pulled the trigger. Person D gets shot and dies. Persons A, B and C are all criminally liable for their acts of negligently handling a firearm and its ammunition and causing the death of person D.
Person A, Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, was offered a plea deal, refused it, and was found guilty of involuntary manslaughter. Person B, David Halls, pleaded guilty to negligent use of a deadly weapon. Person C, Alec Baldwin, is charged with involuntary manslaughter, was offered a plea deal, refused it, and will be found guilty.
Yes Balwin is just as much at fault as the armorer, he should always know what he's doing when handling a gun
This tragic death -- actually had to happen (and it should go to motive at trial)
---there had already been how many "accidental" discharges on this same movie set prior?
---because - - - why?
---what was the theme of the movie story? (for that to be proven, what had to be fulfilled?)
---guns are bad was the underlying philosophy of the movie itself, one that had to be fully demonstrated
Alex will go too
Baldwin should not be responsible for checking the gun. Guns get handed to kids on movies sets, and tons of people who are probably gun phobes. Nobody on set should have to depend on an actor, child or hater for their safety. And different pistols have all sorts of curious manual of arms. You need experts to take responsibility. (admittedly, this was one of the most recognizable guns there is, but even with that you have transfer bar systems through firing pins on the hammer...) There are also "guns" that are made up for a variety of purposes and nobody but the armorer knows what the heck they are.
I thought Baldwin did take some range time... However, the people who need the most supervision are the instant experts who just took a course, and now think they know everything. People like that need to be supervised by hawks.
Trigger discipline is a pretty recent phenomenon, and was certainly not a thing in the wild west. So now we have actors who don't understand how any of this works, and have to know when they do or don't put their fingers on or off the gun. Yeah, no bad things will happen. It is annoying to see western sequences in modern movies where the posse move through a building like the movie version of Navy Seals. Though westerns have always been oddball, and contemporary, from Buscadero holsters, to 1873 pistols in the 1860s.
Utter nonsense. Children can only handle firearms under adult supervision. The adult supervisor is legally responsible for ensuring save firearm handling. Firearms safety is an individual responsibility of every adult that can not be passed off to someone else. Everyone that contributed to the death by being negligent is culpable. The most uttered sentence after an unintentional shooting is: “I thought it was unloaded”. It never works in court.
Hasn't Alec suffered enough? He hasn't been able to mock plebs for months.
Is there a petition to sign to get her sentence overturned? This is wrong.
A petition? Are you in high school? Any court order can be appealed, but only if someone's rights are violated or a procedure wasn't followed.
Hannah Gutierrez-Reed was offered a plea deal. She refused it. She was found guilty of involuntary manslaughter and sentenced to the maximum amount allowable by law. She wasn't remorseful, took no responsibility, was blaming everyone else, called the judge and jury names, violated her bail release terms, and has another felony case pending in court.
@@charliefoxtrot5001 What about Alec Baldwin, who literally pulled the trigger? Or are the wealthy untouchable by justice?
Due to the thin budget, an inexperienced ‘armorer’ was hired. Couple this with a bully of an actor and producer, this is what happens. Sure the armorer ought to have full control but when a tyrannical, egomaniac actor/producer man/child pushes the young in age, inexperienced armorer live ammo is allowed on set. On a Union sanctioned set this would never happen. AB ought to be convicted for involuntary manslaughter and serve time. He need to be held accountable, he is solely responsible for his actions. He broke every on set rule for any movie or TV show, and every gun safety rule responsible gun owner follow, #1 treat every gun as if it were loaded, and never point a gun at something you don’t want to destroy. Because he has money and ‘station’ he walk away free.
The inexperienced ‘armorer’ was hired due to who her father is.
Yes, he should have had proper training, regardless