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Dark humor is awesome and it's kinda confusing why Western culture in general is so much more sensitive to it even though our government was the one to police the jokes
2nd Rule: Do not point a gun at anything you are unwilling to shoot. "Nor that" 3rd Rule: Keep your finger off the triger until you are ready to fire. "Is this even written in English?" 4th Rule: Be aware of your target and what is around it. "I must be temporarially blind."
@americankid7782 gun safety is one of those skills that SHOULD be taught early. I was like 10 when my grandfather drilled in my head the fundamentals. 1) treat a gun as if it's always loaded. 2) clear the chamber before handing it off to someone or putting it in it's case 3) don't point at anything you don't intend to destroy 4) pointer off the trigger until it's time to shoot 5) bullets go through shit. Check what's behind your target
@@finnmurtons8727 I think I was taught the rules when I was around 10 as well. Though the exact rules were slightly different. 1. Treat every firearm like it is loaded. 2. Never point a firearm at something you do not intend to destroy. 3. Keep you're finger off the trigger until you are ready to fire. 4. Be sure of your target and what is behind it. For me, checking to see if the chamber is clear isn't really a rule because if you are following the main 4 nothing bad should come from that. I still do it but I consider it more of a safety precaution.
Alec has replied to me when I replied to him on one of his anti-gun tweets, he called me a killer, even though I’ve never shot anyone. Now the irony is off the charts If only he didn’t block me I’d have a field day
Everything about this situation just makes it so hard to believe that it actually happened.. Like, HOW. There were so many warning signs to just STOP. They kept going until it actually got somebody killed... Its fucking insane to me.
@@50shadesofcerakote to anyone who's ever worked in a particularily hazardous industrial environment (ie. sawmill, shipbreaking yard, etc) even though this situation is still big sus - following the actual sequence of events from beginning to end: it's the most quintessential H&S trainwreck there ever was.
@@subwichman I work for a company that inspects, repairs, builds powerlines with the use of helicopters. We have a "stop work" policy ANYONE is allowed use, not just the foreman. If someone sees some sketchy shit, all they gotta do is speak up, discuss it and make a plan. Sometimes its just a new guy that thinks hes catching something but its actually just a regular/normal thing. We also have a "close call/near miss" policy. We have a safety call every two weeks with the entire company and discuss the close calls so everyone can learn off one incident. Instead of everyone having to experience themselves. This Alec situation shouldve been halted IMMEDIATELY after the prop girl said she wasnt comfortable..
@@jashubbatista1592 The difference is that from the first time I held a gun, it has been drilled in to me that I should never point any gun at anything I didn't intend to kill!
@@saber-jocky3436and how would he know that it’s a fully loaded real gun when he’s on a set and is told that it’s neither of those things lol. You even see kids with fake/realistic guns running around playing with them. You certainly cannot expect your own personal experience applies to all situations
I haven’t even shot a gun in a year and still am afraid my Uncle is going to come kick the shit out of me if I don’t check the chamber. I showed a couple of Irish some .22 guns before cflu. They didn’t understand why I was so careful. Not because they didn’t know guns are stupid dangerous, but because they thought we all acted like this with guns. The dude legitimately thought we didn’t put guns on safety unless we were walking around with them. HIS FATHER died as a member of the IRA.
That's what happens when people that are against guns and know nothing about guns handle thim without training the cast and crew playing with guns he MERDERD her stupidity is not a defence
I remember Paul Harrel stating that someone shouldn't handle a firearm if they lack the basic understanding of mechanical devices. I think this is what we are looking at. Look I'm not calling Alec dumb, wait..... yes, I am.
I wouldn't say that about Baldwin in this instance. He did not know there was a live round in there. Or so as far as we know. This fuckup is on the prop department, which also has AT LEAST one armorer dediacted to this shit. So, yeah. Welcome to Holliwood, needs to be burned down.
It's almost like anyone who handles any kind of firearm (be it live, or blank firing) should have proper weapons training, or at least basic knowledge of how they work, and safety regulations. Oh wait... I think this is somehow going to turn up as "evil gun bad, shoot people dead, gun bad" instead of "hey, that guy was handling a firearm without proper training" Yeah, it may be an accident, but it is both the armorers fault for having a live round anywhere near a movie set, and the actors for not having proper weapon training before handling a firearm.
There are strong whispers on how toxic environment was on the shooting set, a few peoples choose to walk away from the set only a day before fatal incident , not to forget Baldwin wasn't just an actor he is a producer as well!
The scary question is, "Does Alec Baldwin know enough about guns to be able to tell if the bullets in it are real?" Apparently being Anti Gun makes him an Expert though!.
I live in a country with little to no gun related deaths and quite the amount of hunters and sport shooting. As a paramedics we receive basic firearms safety training. I did several practical courses specifically held by local police to train us to properly handle firearms at sights of injury ( due to cleaning accidents and suicides). Which are almost the only gun related deaths we have. Rarely cleaning accidents , mostly injuries rarely deaths and suicides. In my years of service I had two gun related incidents. One suicide and one hunting rifle accidentally discharge and injure the person cleaning his gun. Our statistics go as in 5-8 deaths per year for our entire country. I'm no gun expert, but I know how to safely handle most firearms and due to private interest learned how to maintain , field strip and clean lots of them from a hunter friend.
True. For a gun control advocate, he sure knows nothing about gun safty. Still, I place more blame on the POS that loaded that firearm, lied about it being "cold" and gave it to Baldwin. Clearly had ill intennt
lets see. finger on the trigger. pointing at something you dont want to destroy/kill *failing to check if weapon is safe* i do believe that some personal responsibility should be had on alecs part. when he was handed a gun he should have checked if its safe. and the armorer was not even competent loading blanks into a firearm. i would much rather they listened to her when she said they she wasnt competent around guns because clearly she is an honest individual who knew her limits and got pushed beyond them anyway.
What makes the memes okay and what is infuriating is that nothing will happen to Alec besides the memes. He didn’t get arrested. He spent Halloween on Instagram. They will cover it up with a conspiracy about a disgruntled worker and Alec will continue to harp about wanting more laws that don’t apply to him. He’s an elitist douche bag that’s above any consequences.
As of February 2022, he still hasn't spent any time in court and 'experts' are saying it's unlikely he'll be charged criminally. The man murdered some body. And has yet to face any repercussions. Absolutely fucking disgusting.
@@oldies109 well he should at least be charged with negligent manslaughter. Because murder is laid out as ‘with intent.’ His was just plain ol stupidity. Should be tried and should face charges. But not murder. Because the law applies to everyone at all times, the dumb ass who shoots someone accidentally and someone who fired in self defense.
OK, glossary time, from a Fight Director and Gun Wrangler: *Prop Gun*: Any firearm or object intended to resemble a firearm which is used on a film set *Blank Firing Gun*: A prop gun which resembles a weapon, built explicitly to fire blanks (usually 8mm, and no, not 7.92x57) and cannot be loaded with real ammunition. *Blank-adapted Gun*: A real firearm, capable of firing actual ammunition, which has been adapted with a (usually hidden) device to partially block the barrel and create enough chamber pressure to cycle the action. Is loaded with blank ammunition, but in the same caliber as real ammunition (ie, 5.56x45mm quarter-load blank; .30-06 full load blank). These tend to be "Hero Props"; used for close-ups and/or shots showing the disassembly or loading of the weapon. If you put a real slug down the barrel, you will get a burst barrel at the least. *Live Gun*: a real, unmodified, firearm, capable of accepting and successfully firing actual ammunition. We try never to use these, but occasionally it ends up happening, particularly with older firearms in historical films, and especially on films on a limited budget. Watch your Gun Wrangler go nuts with safety protocols if one of these is around. *Electric Non-Gun*: Electrically actuated prop which has a motor which moves the slide, kicks out empty brass cartridges, and ignites flash paper contained within the muzzle to simulate muzzle flash. These are custom-built by prop houses for pretty high amounts (5 figures), not commercially available, and are often the target of legal action by the real firearm companies since they necessarily resemble the real thing. Getting an Electric Glock is damn easy. Getting an Electric LeMat is not a thing, and you'd have to have it custom built and wait 6-18 months. *Rubber Gun*: aka "stunt gun:" a rubber or silicone casting of a real firearm, painted to look genuine. Use of these is preferable at all times, unless there is a very specific reason to use anything else. *Blank Round*: An explosive cartridge with an explosive propellant in various quantities (full, 3/4, 1/2, 1/4, primer only), a primer to set off the propellant, and a casing to hold it all, with no explicit projectile. *Dummy Round*: A non-explosive cartridge consisting of a slug, casing, and sometimes a primer (the "pop" helps with sound keying), often used for closeup shots *Live Round*: An actual, real, bullet-firing cartridge, with all 4 parts in there (slug, casing, powder, primer) and which SHOULD NEVER BE ON A GODDAMN FILM SET, EVER, PERIOD Irritatingly, there are also term groups. A "Hot" gun is any prop gun which is has detonation-capable ammo in it. A "Cold" gun is any prop gun either incapable of accepting detonation-capable ammo, AND any prop gun which is capable of accepting that ammo, but which has been verified (usually by at least 2 people in direct visual contact) to be unloaded at that moment. Additionally, "Live" ammunition refers not only to a real round with all 4 components, but also to any round capable of any sort of detonation. So a dummy round with a primer in it can be considered a "live" round, and a blank can also be considered a "live" round. Unsurprisingly, all of this is confusing when getting reports from the media, because terms which work in the context of being there on set don't necessarily translate to the breathless invective thrown about in the media. So when the media says that there was a "REAL GUN ON SET OH GOD", was it a Live Gun, or a Blank-Adapted Gun? Because one of those is WAAAAY more dangerous than the other one. Both are real guns, but the odds of a slug coming out the barrel of one of them and killing someone is a LOT lower for one of them than the other.
@@karelpgbr the .300blk loads in the same magazines and will chamber in the 5.56, if you have them in the same place while loading its possible to accidentally load one in your 5.56 mag and they will detonate the gun cause .308 cal bullet isn't going down a .223 barrel
The "prop master" was a twenty-something female who was scared of guns, didn't know much of anything about them, and was only working on set through family connections. She somehow wasn't fired after the THREE negligent discharges in the previous days. All the pros had left the set and the Union confirms this. *No one qualified had handled that firearm.* Yes, it should go without saying, it's basic and I mean BASIC firearms safety, but there were no grown-ups in the room. I'm very sorry anyone is dead but it was practically foretold.
@@cynthiar8145 When the results say otherwise I kinda doubt she had a single clue how to deal with firearms properly. Fear of something just blinds you to how to exist with it safely. By trying to stop people having legal access to firearms, and not teaching children how to safely handle them, you have created a generation of weak humans, who are just victims in waiting. Hard times create strong people, Strong people create good times, Good times create weak people, Weak people create Hard times, and so the cycle goes on and on forever.
They also were enjoying target shooting on breaks. With live rounds in real firearms. TMZ reported today. Baldwin the producer skirting SAG union laws and ignoring gun safety multiple times. Always comes down to money.
@@gifthorse3675 Man hates guns so vehemently that he couldn't even learn proper gun safety. It was up to him to check the chamber, even after all the mistaken go aheads, and make sure there was no live ammunition loaded. Then again, he may not be able to tell a blank and a live cartridge apart, as most Hollywood types are about as bright and informed as a potato when it comes to firearms.
@@gifthorse3675 How? He was told by a supposed 'Professional' that the gun was safe. A guy who's job it is to know about and be responsible for this crap. He had fired it once without issue, the second time this happened. What could he have done different? If your lawyer or doctor tells you something is perfectly safe to do, you go and do it, and it ends up being very not fucking safe at all, is that your fault?
Safety is a huge problem in the film industry right now. Part of why IATSE are striking. My friend is a PA and has walked off several sets for unsafe stunt conditions.
With the question that keeps circulating "how'd a live round get there in the first place?" almost makes this feel like some twisted anti-gun setup. It's disgusting that someone lost their life but this seems too perfect. That or the levels of incompetence are at lows we couldn't even imagine.
They were target shooting earlier that day. A friend of mine was an extra on set that day. He was told to not talk abbout what happened that day, a day too late. Baldwin actually said: "Well, whhy don't I just shoot you" before he shot her. There is no way he's getting away with it.
this whole thing is messed up but the Will Smith clip is a breath of fresh air to show that there are still people who understand gun safety, I honestly would love to see him make a firearms safety PSA, there needs to be more good role models out there
That's what kinda bugs me though; Baldwin has been in a LOT of action films where he's handled firearms. You'd think the actor would double check their shit, especially when it's so easy with a revolver, before discharging it OR at least take into account two of the most _basic_ rules of handling firearms; don't ever point a gun at something you don't intend to destroy and treat every gun like it's loaded.
@@Duck-dp7mq Partly. The slap is real, the grabbing the gun and clearing part was edited in later. There is a pretty good deconstruction of the clip flying around somewhere.
I was the archery instructor for the 2009 movie “Tsar” which is a Russia movie. We were doing a dangerous scene with archery where we almost had an accident. The guy I was instructing didn’t know anything about archery and was a bit cocky thinking he could pull off this stunt which was totally against my wishes. Movie sets can be dangerous depending on what you are doing. I’m not surprised this would eventually happen.
It has happened before. Actor Brandon Lee, son of Bruce Lee, was killed on the set of "The Crow" when a live round was 'accidentally' mixed in with the blanks.
Well like you said cocky & stupid. Safety must always be number 1, forget about the movie and how many times you'll have to do a scene over & over. If you lose a life try to justify that. I bet someone will realize what a nightmare that can be, especially if the family is NOT satisfied with cash, but revenge
It seems like idiots out there supposed killing people by accident a gun is not accident prone by itself reviewing safety rules of firearms is the first thing number one rule never point a firearm at anything that you don't intend to shoot I not really very smart but that rule sounds reasonable to me
Having been in the army, if I took a weapon from someone else and took their word for it that it was clear/green without checking it myself and I were to end up smoking someone with it by accident, I would be underneath a prison by now.
Interesting tidbit : The assistant director (Dave Hall) who handed Alec the gun, also worked on the set of the sequel to "The Crow," where Brandon Lee was killed by a prop gun
Ya hes quite young to have so much clout in the gun world. Used to be none of the old timers would give young guys the time of day. Let alone listen to somthing they may say about guns. Its funny to hear him talk about things like Saturday night live ever being funny and such, but maybe hes a super fan and binge watches SNL!!😝😝👌
"Prop gun" = "We want to pre-emptively absolve Alec of anything we can by confusing you." In the world of movies, there have been solid, non-firing guns used as props, made from different materials, but generally they use real guns. They get sourced from a hand-full of armories that exist in LA and companies that are near their filming locations. There is one or two in Bracketville (or have historically) that has serviced all the movies done at the fake Alamo out there. Either the prop master or armorer sources and manages the guns used in a film.
Right lmfao. They even said it fired a live round. How tf does that work exactly if it's a prop? Sounds to me like it was a firearm but wtf do I know. I called that out as soon as the story broke. Everyone was commenting and saying it was probably a blank gun and he fired it at too close of a range and the gas jet did it or it exploded and I was sitting there like "there ain't no way a blank gun firing at close range killed one person and injured another and most definitely not a blowup if Alec Baldwin wasn't injured at all."
Exactly! I kept seeing prop gun all over Twitter and it was pissing me off. If a gun can fire real ammunition it's a just a gun. It's not like it was a block of wood or a replica or something that an act of divine intervention magically converted it to a standard, lethal weapon the moment he pulled the trigger.
"Prop" is just short for "Property". Which just means that it is being used as theatrical property for setting the stage and providing those items used in the movie. That includes "Sugar Glass", Breakaway chairs (chairs out of balsa wood and weakened in essential areas, cars being used on-set, etc. For the duration of the shoot, they are considered theatrical property even if they are rented or borrowed.
@@edschramm6757 it is a pane of "Glass" made of sugar more specifically; it's a very fragile hard candy that prop departments use in place of real glass should the film call for a window being broken in some way as it will give a nice shattering effect and have next to no chance of causing anything more than minor discomfort and maybe something on par with a papercut.
Revolvers, including non-self loading firearms, don't need blank adapters as they don'tneed to cycle themselves. Story says that live rounds were brought to have fun with offset, and the assistant director grabbed it quickly and claimed it was unloaded, and he cocked and was told by the cinematographer to aim for her as part of the scene. He cocked it and pulled it accidentally.
When you connect the word together with another as a single item like "prop gun" though, that is implying that it is _just_ a prop, not real. You wouldn't call a chair or a glass a "prop chair" or "prop glass" if it was just a regular chair or glass, only if it was one of those special ones you mention. So "prop gun" is 100% the media trying to cover for him.
On some sets it is. In some cases the actors actually get real firearms training. From what I understand this was a pretty low budget movie though and they were cutting corners and the people they hired didn't know how to do their jobs properly. I would be willing to bet with Alec's career he probably knows how to check and unload a weapon and handle one safely even though he doesn't like them. Lots of rules were broken here unfortunately.
@@ralcogaming7674 it sounds like the director tool a gun from her tent while she was busy and gave it to Baldwin. Literally didn't even check if it was loaded.
I always find the pre-review warnings hilarious, as if any of us gun guys don’t have a fucked up sense of humor. But keep doing it cause it’s funny. Love those warnings.
Anyone played Hitman: Blood Money? This reminds me of the "Curtains Down" level in which you can stage an accident by replacing the fake prop gun with a real one.
Oh I remember that. I also remember when the (I think) director went up to the body and then I blew up the set lights that were above to crush him. Damn blood money was cool
The worst thing about this is that we learned this lesson from "the Crow" and everyone made really tight rules on how to handle guns on set. Production companies and unions knew how to do it right for decades, and some how multiple safeties had to have failed for this to happen. That's what happens when people don't take gun training and safety seriously
@@life1042 I'm not a lawyer, but I think a coincidence of dates isn't enough to establish motive as ritual and attribution to a shadowy organization that controls the world.
The part that is really sad (for the state of Hollywood) is how, from the 1940s to 1980s, movies had people blasting away on set with blanks and no one ever got hurt in real life. Then again, the cast and crew of many of those movies were actual combat vets, so they came with gun safety training.
We aren't making fun of the tragedy that occurred. Truly heartbreaking for her and her family. We are making fun of the ignorance of people who willing refuse to learn anything about guns and how to use handle and operate them safely. If he wasn't so willfully ignorant towards firearms this wouldn't have happened. It's that simple.
A good friend of mine worked on the set of “Dunkirk”. He was responsible for mechanical work on the planes. He left the set 2 months early detailing that the producers were pushy and didn’t care if the planes would never fly again per the FAA if they were to drill holes to hang a camera on the wings of a 70 y/o plane. Hollywood doesn’t care so long as they get the shot in a given time. I can imagine that is what happened here… what’s cheapest and fastest, I’m sure it’ll be fine.
Jay Leno said that you should never rent your classic car to a movie company. Because they can just cut out huge chunks of the dash board to make room for the camera. With out hesitating and never give a second thought about how rare and historical the car is. Or that it isn't their car too vandalize.
What everybody misunderstands about Brandon Lee’s death was just how stupid it was and how it could have been avoided. In that case it was a real smith and Wesson model 629 revolver. The prop master/armorer had made “dummy rounds” for close up shots by removing the gunpowder from real bullets, but left live primers in the casings. At an unknown point during filming, one of these dummy rounds went off and the bullet was forced just barely out of the case into the barrel, essentially a squib load. During a later scene, when the gun was loaded with blanks, the pressure from the blank cartridge was enough to force the squib out the barrel at lethal velocity. Without having all the information, I can’t say for certain, but reading some of the articles online, it sounds like the armorer for Rust (Hannah Gutierrez) had very little experience and a history of malpractice. That being said, it’s inexcusable to me that the assistant director just picked up a gun without checking its status and handed it to an actor who also did not check it, and then pointed it DIRECTLY at someone. We all know that you never take the condition of a gun that is transferred to you for granted. When you let inexperienced and careless people train and supervise COMPLETELY untrained and careless people, this sort of thing is bound to happen. And now studios are virtue signaling that they won’t use “real guns” on productions anymore. Obviously we can’t hold anyone in Hollywood responsible so we have to get rid of the big bad guns. That’s obviously the problem.
this being an Independent "low budget" production, having safety issues on set does not surprise me. Gives credence to the camera crew for walking off set and leaving making AB angry at HH.
I think the scarier part is that it's possible that he may have intentionally pointed and fired, hoping that it was a scary flash type charge to do just that...scare them. Scared 'em real good.
I’m kinda bummed that Hunt for Red October didn’t make the cut. “Hey Ryan, be careful what you shoot at. Some things in here don’t react well to bullets.”
Unfortunately him checking the gun was a bit that they added on afterwards, the original video is just Smith slapping the gun and the person saying thank you Will
@@andrewcarlton9061 it's actually good to know, because I've always thought that this "checking" part is a bit over the top. The slapping is, though, really awesome. It does look like he knows what he does.
@@TheWinjin yeah, definitely looks like he knows being flagged is potentially really bad, which some celebs clearly don't understand. Treat all guns as if they're loaded, goddamnit hollywood!
@@professormutant3252 or, if you're so anti-gun, show that even a western can be interesting without guns that shoot. Demonstrate how wrong the assumption is.
Brandon this is absolutely hilarious because it emphasizes that guns are not the problem and that idiots are the problem better than any other situation that you or i could possibly think of
From what I understand the "Prop" does not mean fake or otherwise modified firearm. It is literally short for "Property" as in Property of the studio. SO, functionally, it is the same as any other gun and is still a working firearm that is able to fire any round that it is chambered for. It is the ammo that is different and only dummy rounds are meant to be used
Guarantee you he just doubles down on how “dangerous” and “unpredictable” guns are. How if someone as smart and awesome as him can’t handle it, then you certainly can’t either.
Honestly, I think Baldwin will just step out of the public eye after the dust settles and that will be the end of it. If he was Brandon's age, he could come back from this, but he's not; he's 68. He's done.
Alec is more responsible than he's letting on to. He wasn't just an actor... He was a producer and highly involved with this movie. If safety complaints were made and he did nothing, he's responsible even if he didn't pull the trigger. I feel like an involuntary manslaughter charge is coming for alec
Alec is a rich celebrity. They won't touch him. They'll just throw the charges onto the armorer on set and make everyone else involved not liable because they are famous. It's going to be classic rules for thee but not for me.
It would be involuntarily manslaughter for you my friend, but for those wealthy elites who align with the establishment, they literally get away with murder and r@pe.
A “prop” is property of the studio. A real, live-firing gun can, indeed, be a prop. The thing that pisses me off is that people conflate a prop gun with a gun that can’t shoot live ammunition.
Revolvers, including non-self loading firearms, don't need blank adapters as they don'tneed to cycle themselves. Story says that live rounds were brought to have fun with offset. Should just used cheap denix replicas
The absolute irony is that majority of people killed by responsible and legal gun owners are violent criminals in the middle of a criminal act whether it be assaulting the gun owner or someone else
@@Shepard_AU Of course she's at fault, too. But Baldwin is the producer of this mess of movie. He hired her, he kept working with her although half the crew complained and walked out. He signed on to shooting gun scenes without the armorer being present. And then, full well knowing that *his* production is breaking all the gun safety rules, he can't even be bothered to check the "cold" gun before "jokingly" shooting at his crew?
If your being literal prop just means property, ie things that the production company owns or rents. If you were talking about touring theatre companies back in the old days that would mean blunt swords and wooden guns you could use safely on stage when the audience was thirty feet away. These days with close up HD it can mean anything from rubber copies to real guns with blank rounds
@@voiceofraisin3778 No, prop doesn't and never officially meant property. Maybe in a dialect somewhere, but not officially. Prop means it's not the real thing, due to being altered to be unusable for what the real thing was meant for. It can also mean an object manufactured for use in a movie or theatre, etc, though this is usually only used for things otherwise non-existent irl.
@@voiceofraisin3778 I mean a quite google search turns up: " If a piece is used to discharge either live ammunition or blanks, it is considered a firearm, not a prop."
Keanu Reeves probably has the best firearm safety record among Hollywood actors, given he actually went through live fire drills for the John Wick films. As for the Rust safety issue, Baldwin is listed as producer. Let that sink in.
@@100nitrog Nah, one you learn and do real things they become instinctive. There's stories of veterans going to the range and accidentally slamming a magazine against their bare head because of training, lol. Once you've shot on ranges with guns, you'd treat them all the same. Then it all boils down to how attentive you are on the day, which is how most fuckups happen in life.
@@100nitrog Exactly. I don't blame Alec unless he is the one who loaded the gun. Too fucking soon for all this. If you're an actor and someone hands you something they say is safe and tells you to shoot, I can't really blame you for doing so.
I love when someone can separate the acting from the actor. It's okay to like someone's movies without liking them as an individual, glad you aren't afraid to admit there is a separation of art and artist, too many people can't make that partition in their head.
Still heartbreaking when an actor you love is braindead, even moreso when they bring politics into their roles. Good example is Tom Ellis, he made a joke about trump going to hell in Lucifer which seemed fitting at the time, but after learning he has really bad TDS, that joke seemed more forced upon a second look, then the last season got even worse. :c
You shouldn’t separate it for the truly hardcore ones. They literally hate you and everything you support. Why would you support people like that financially or in any other way?
@@TwoStageTrigger yeah I don't like his views but that's majority of Hollywood. Doesn't make me change the channel if 30 Rock comes on. And I grew up listening to him narrating Thomas the Tank Engine.
Ironic thing is that both can run away on you. My mom had a car that would often keep running when you shut the key off due to what is called "dieseling" (Diesel engines work via compression and heat, no spark really required, so her car would sometimes keep goign when the spark was turned off). Meanwhile with guns you can get runaways as well like the .22LR conversion AK Daddy tried in one of his guns.
Filmmaker here; Seems that there’s confusion in the wording here. A Prop is any item that an actor interacts with in a scene, therefore, any Gun given to an actor to be handled in a scene is a Prop. However, there are dedicated Prop-Guns designed to be safer for people to interact with on set, but many revolvers used as props are often (especially in low budget film) real guns. Anytime a gun (real, prop, or completely fake) is brought onto set it’s supposed to be checked to be cold before it leaves the armors hands. The AD (assistant director) grabbed the gun, and didn’t check it before handing it to Baldwin but chose to say that it was cold. Cold is a disarming word that means safe, no one needs hearing protection, and not to worry as it’s pointed around set. There is a difference in a Prop-Gun, and a Gun being used as a prop. Alec Baldwin was handed a real gun that was hot with live rounds. Hope this clears up a bit.
There are real bullets and blanks. Pretty obvious is the difference. Have seen in movies where even with the angle of the camera the firearm is still not directly pointed at anyone directly
the story is that someone who refused to be informed about firearms, didn't check if the weapon was loaded and didn't treat the weapons as if it was loaded anti - gun kills
Actors are typically people who are very egotistical in the way they act much like how with the crow and Brandon Lee they didn't check the barrel of the gun before shooting it again and Brandon Lee got shot they didn't even check I feel bad for everyone involved but Alec Baldwin because he's a dick I just wish it didn't take a innocent life though
Also.. This was NOT an accident. Always treat a gun as if it is loaded, until proved otherwise. Never point a gun at anyone, unless you're looking to kill them. Always check your line of fire and backstop, because he managed to hit two people. Worst thing is he probably won't be charged with homicide by negligence, and he'll probably use this to keep campaigning against gun ownership.
Hey, at least Baldwin is now prime expert on unsafe gun handling. When he’s gonna go off again about gun control, you can’t say he doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
Unfortunately I think this is just going to fuel his anti gun rage all that much more. I am sure he thinks of himself as the victim here. I'm just not sure why as an anti gun person he would bother making a movie like this? He should stick to comedy, he is better at it.
His Scene was pointing the Gun at the Camera Bond Style, and he did just that. He was told the gun had Blanks in it and it's the armourers job to make sure the gun is safe, not the Actors.
So my respect for Will Smith just went up quite a few notches, that was seriously one of the smartest, and most badass, things I've seen from an actor in a long time.
The cherry on top of this whole scenario is that the plot of the movie “Rust” was about a 13 year old boy going on the run with his outlaw grandfather after the boy shot and killed a local rancher by accident. Alec Baldwin plays the boy’s grandfather.
@Kristoff Gerhardt idk what other religions call it or if other religions have it but it’s basically where you supposedly go if you do things your god doesn’t like or your church says he doesn’t like
@Kristoff Gerhardt the one thats the setting of hazbin hotel and helava boss hopefully because let's face it we are pretty much destined to go down and not up.
To be fair, in the case of a film, it's the armorer's job to load the right ammunition in the gun. They're literally paid to be the person liable with the handling of the firearms. Alec Baldwin has probably fired thousands of blanks from prop guns in movies through his career, it's not really fair to ask him to practice firearms safety when that's not his job, and never has been. I doubt he even knew the prop guns could fire live ammunition, nor could he have ever fathomed that in all his years on the stage, _that_ time it would have a live round. It's not as simple as saying "he should have checked that it was loaded." That doesn't apply, it was supposed to be loaded. Why would he make sure the bullet is a blank, when there's a person who's job is to do exactly that before giving him the gun?
@@akokyayo2025 You do if you have no reason to. Alec Baldwin doesn't like guns. He doesn't care to learn about them, or their handing procedures, because they have no interest to him. They're the least interesting part of his job. And he's spent 40 fucking years doing it this way, and nothing bad ever happened that time. The argument "he wasn't gun safety" well of course he wasn't, he doesn't normally handle guns, certainly not loaded ones, and he'd have had no reason to check whether it had live rounds unless you think he can see the future. Clairvoyance is not a power often attributed to Alec Baldwin. I can tell you one thing; he's going to check every gun he's handed on set moving forward. That's how these things work. No he knows being handed a live firearm is actually a thing that can happen.
@@magisterrleth3129 Yeah, the whole crew was super irresponsible in this. First they fucked over the seasoned union crew who promptly left. So they hired what they could get out in New Mexico. The armorer was being an idiot who let crew take out the actual real guns used on set to shoot cans for fun. Bad Juju, that. They had life rounds in guns. On a film set. And the armorer failed to remove them. Because of course that's what happens. The guns that NEED TO BE HANDLED IN AN UNSAFE MANNER HAD LIFE BULLETS IN THEM AT ANY POINT! It is not done. Blanks are dangerous enough. Using actual firearms requires absolute discipline from the crew. And those dumb assholes just went and loaded them hot. Leaving life ammunition around a set where the guns will be handled by actors is tantamount to murder. Actors are not trained with guns, they have no way to know if what they hold is full of actual rounds or props that just look as though they are. They can't have their own weapons checks every time they start filming. And they don't have to because they have a weapons specialist to do just that. Just like they can't check if the bottle they're handed is really sugar. So yeah. Someone fucked up hard. All the way. And they handed an actor a loaded gun on set.
11:42 I agree completely, if your own prop master says not only that she doesn't know how to do something but is AFRAID to do it, you shout : STOP EVERYTHING, as loud as you can or else you take responsibility for allowing her to continue or worse MAKING her continue
I'm going to be honest this situation f***** me up big time due to the fact that when I went through my basic combative arms course in the Navy, our instructors told us that safety is everyone's responsibility. If you see anybody doing anything wrong (instructors included) you call them out. Luckily with the class that I was with we had very few safety violations and every safety violation was quickly called out and fixed. That being said, Alec Baldwin due to his negligence and willful ignorance ended up taking somebody's life and should be held responsible for that.
He should 100% serve jail time for this. You can't even say accident because he literally said ' why don't I just shoot you both' after the director wanted a redo of a scene, pulled it from the holster and aimed it at them. It just so happened to have a live round in it, but he intentional aimed a gun at someone and whether it's real or not doesn't matter in the court room.
@@Pocket_Crab It matters, but only in the context of whether it was intentionally shooting someone, or being so extremely grossly negligent that he didn't know or care to know if it was real. It;s the difference between murder 1 and murder 3.
@@cheapbastard990 that’s still second degree murder due to his negligence, but he won’t be bc he’s a rich liberal so he’ll get a slap on the wrist as worst
Just wanna add some context, the person who was in charge of the movie guns decided to shoot the gun in between takes they loaded the rounds into the chamber… Alex still breaks the rules of firearms safety by not treating the weapon as if it loaded etc but there’s the context
Generally, revolvers, pump shotguns, break actions, lever actions, and bolt actions don’t have to be modified to fire blanks and are the real deal. Semi autos are the only ones that have to be modified. Seeing as this is a western, I’m going to go out on a limb and say that all of the guns are real, unmodified guns.
Agree 100% and I said the same thing. Maybe prop guns should be modified like starter pistols so the CAN'T chamber a live round. It's said to have to come to that, but apparently it's necessary given the level of incompetence in Hollywood.
Oh I agree. This was 100% preventable. As a law enforcement officer, it is common practice when loading a less lethal shotgun, to have a witness handle each shell before it’s loaded into the firearm, therefore, it’s being inspected twice before being loaded. The level of incompetence surrounding this incident blows my mind.
Normally they will use a real live unmodified firearm as the “Hero” gun. This is to say a gun that looks real on camera because it is real. These types of guns are used for close up shots and promotion material and aren’t modified because people spot that shit really quick. Even semi auto guns in this case would be unmodified guns and actors are typically trained in safety and use of those firearms for this exact reason
Looking at the new news coming out I think he was practicing a cross draw while faning the hammer. so he could have sent a round without pulling the trigger if the trigger spring was worn out. 🤔
If Baldwin actually knew the rules of firearms safety, this might be a different story. Blanks were loaded in the gun, but the handler told him it was a “cold gun”. All he had to do was check the chamber… y’know, like you always should when someone hands you any kind of firearm…
One problem is in movies they use what they call "hero rounds" for close ups, (especially in revolvers, which being a western is highly likley but also in reloading shots on any type of firearm) which are supposed to be fully inert dummies, just an empty case with a projectile and either no or a de-activated primer, so a simple visual check does not tell anyone if its unloaded or loaded with blanks if one expects to see a round that is inert but LOOKS fully functioning.Hero round with an active primer is what kileld Lee, primer pushed proj into barrel, blank fired afterwards completed the process. Simply should not have been live ammo on set and hero rounds should be discretly marked and verified by at least 2 seperate competent people to be fully inert. Not defending Baldwin in any way, just i have a tiny understanding on how things work on movies sets.
@@dunxy Hero rounds shouldnt exist as far as I am concerned. The argument of using them in a revolver to make it look like it has bullets in it could easily be patched up by CGI. I mean if swordsmen theamed movies can make it work by using CGI to put the sword blade into the movie than why cant they CGI some bullets in their revolvers?
@@dragonrider269 Sigh, i know plenty about ammunition. Loaded 10's of thousands of rounds and shot many many more. How can you tell an emtpy case with an inert primer and a projectile from live ammo? Unless you actually go and pull the trigger, dinting the primer and then rendering it obvious to trained eye during close ups which is why they use inert primers in these rounds vs fired primers. As far as other comments about them existing or not, i see no problem if they are discretly marked and checked by two competent people and theres no live ammo on set. Im not in movies , i just know a tiny bit more than most in these comments who seem to think its all about blanks and all props have to be fake items.
Gun community: is overpenetration with FMJ ammo a thing? Has a bullet ever gone through somebody and hit somebody else? Alec Baldwin: well, let's find out.
Thanks for watching guys! Hopefully you enjoyed this video. Who do you think was at fault in this situation? The actor? The prop master? Everyone? Let me know your thoughts down in the comments.
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This video make me a happy man
Already finished it, great video!
Prop guy did a bit of trolling
#akgnotificationsquad
Alec Baldwin: "You miss 100% of the shots you don't take."
Also Alec Baldwin:
Rounds Fired: 1 Accuracy: 200%
Accuracy 200%
* Broke internet * gold medal
Died laughing 🤣
Im already going to hell anyways...
gg
@@wtfsalommy3250 you taking the subway or the bus to hell
If the 'goal' was 2xK, then it was 0%, 'jobs' are binary. Done or fail.
@@RakRescue well, prolly the short bus in my case. I sure hope theres chicken....
As we say in Russia: "picture is hilarious, but the situation is terrible"
Replace "picture" with "headline" and you've just described Florida
@@JimmyEatDirt replace headline with 7.62 AR15
edit: in texas
Dark humor is awesome and it's kinda confusing why Western culture in general is so much more sensitive to it even though our government was the one to police the jokes
link for the pronunciation please?
Stealing that.
“Trump impersonator shoots someone” -Babylon bee I think
A leftard on Twitter basically said that an orange man supporter did it.
Yeah...... Live in front of a New Mexico prison audience, it is Saturday night staring Alec Baldwin.
I want to say gets away with it......but we'll see the memes r good though.
Oh Gawd! Trump doing an impersonation of Baldwin impersonating him while waving a gun around in fit of Baldwin rage.
@@gmanbo depends if there’s a trail with a jury, I would not want to be the person trying to find a unbiased potential jury
1st rule of gun safety:
Always treat a gun as if it is loaded
Alec Baldwin: I'm gonna pretend I didn't see that
2nd Rule: Do not point a gun at anything you are unwilling to shoot.
"Nor that"
3rd Rule: Keep your finger off the triger until you are ready to fire.
"Is this even written in English?"
4th Rule: Be aware of your target and what is around it.
"I must be temporarially blind."
I don’t think he has ever been taught the rules of gun safety in the first place.
Doesn’t seem to understand firearms enough to care.
@americankid7782 gun safety is one of those skills that SHOULD be taught early. I was like 10 when my grandfather drilled in my head the fundamentals.
1) treat a gun as if it's always loaded.
2) clear the chamber before handing it off to someone or putting it in it's case
3) don't point at anything you don't intend to destroy
4) pointer off the trigger until it's time to shoot
5) bullets go through shit. Check what's behind your target
@@finnmurtons8727 I think I was taught the rules when I was around 10 as well. Though the exact rules were slightly different.
1. Treat every firearm like it is loaded.
2. Never point a firearm at something you do not intend to destroy.
3. Keep you're finger off the trigger until you are ready to fire.
4. Be sure of your target and what is behind it.
For me, checking to see if the chamber is clear isn't really a rule because if you are following the main 4 nothing bad should come from that. I still do it but I consider it more of a safety precaution.
Except you can't do that shooting a movie.
Alec has replied to me when I replied to him on one of his anti-gun tweets, he called me a killer, even though I’ve never shot anyone.
Now the irony is off the charts
If only he didn’t block me I’d have a field day
You need to find it and ask him who the real killer is nowadays
Definitely need to get back to him
D E W I T
You should mock him
till the end of times
@@amadeusagripino6862 I would.
Nobody is talking about how the plot of the movie “Rust” is literally about a guy who accidentally kills someone
That's some dedicated method acting on Alec Baldwin's part.
Everything about this situation just makes it so hard to believe that it actually happened.. Like, HOW. There were so many warning signs to just STOP. They kept going until it actually got somebody killed... Its fucking insane to me.
@@50shadesofcerakote to anyone who's ever worked in a particularily hazardous industrial environment (ie. sawmill, shipbreaking yard, etc) even though this situation is still big sus - following the actual sequence of events from beginning to end: it's the most quintessential H&S trainwreck there ever was.
@@subwichman I work for a company that inspects, repairs, builds powerlines with the use of helicopters. We have a "stop work" policy ANYONE is allowed use, not just the foreman. If someone sees some sketchy shit, all they gotta do is speak up, discuss it and make a plan. Sometimes its just a new guy that thinks hes catching something but its actually just a regular/normal thing.
We also have a "close call/near miss" policy. We have a safety call every two weeks with the entire company and discuss the close calls so everyone can learn off one incident. Instead of everyone having to experience themselves.
This Alec situation shouldve been halted IMMEDIATELY after the prop girl said she wasnt comfortable..
I see. Part of the act then?
Alec: "you aren't responsible enough to own a gun"
Also Alec: points a gun at someone BETWEEN TAKES and pulls the trigger
also Alec: “I was told this is a prop gun that has no rounds in it”
He not only pulled the trigger, he must have also cocked the hammer. Far from an "accident."
@@rcsontag intentionally firing an empty gun is different then intentionally firing a loaded gun. The difference is the intent.
@@jashubbatista1592 The difference is that from the first time I held a gun, it has been drilled in to me that I should never point any gun at anything I didn't intend to kill!
@@saber-jocky3436and how would he know that it’s a fully loaded real gun when he’s on a set and is told that it’s neither of those things lol. You even see kids with fake/realistic guns running around playing with them. You certainly cannot expect your own personal experience applies to all situations
As a retired Marine and combat vet, the more fucked up the situation, the funnier the memes are. Sick jokes are never too soon.
Thank you for your service!
The number of rules that got broken and ignored on that set were staggering.
I’m not sure this was accidental.
We need to get more prop guns in the hands of liberals immediately
@@qoph1988 👍🤣🤣🤣
I haven’t even shot a gun in a year and still am afraid my Uncle is going to come kick the shit out of me if I don’t check the chamber.
I showed a couple of Irish some .22 guns before cflu. They didn’t understand why I was so careful. Not because they didn’t know guns are stupid dangerous, but because they thought we all acted like this with guns. The dude legitimately thought we didn’t put guns on safety unless we were walking around with them. HIS FATHER died as a member of the IRA.
That's what happens when people that are against guns and know nothing about guns handle thim without training the cast and crew playing with guns he MERDERD her stupidity is not a defence
I remember Paul Harrel stating that someone shouldn't handle a firearm if they lack the basic understanding of mechanical devices. I think this is what we are looking at. Look I'm not calling Alec dumb, wait..... yes, I am.
I wouldn't say that about Baldwin in this instance. He did not know there was a live round in there. Or so as far as we know. This fuckup is on the prop department, which also has AT LEAST one armorer dediacted to this shit. So, yeah. Welcome to Holliwood, needs to be burned down.
@J Jones why do you hate people of colour?
The “armorer” on set was 24 year old. You can google her picture searching her last name. Gutierrez-Reed.
It's almost like anyone who handles any kind of firearm (be it live, or blank firing) should have proper weapons training, or at least basic knowledge of how they work, and safety regulations. Oh wait...
I think this is somehow going to turn up as "evil gun bad, shoot people dead, gun bad" instead of "hey, that guy was handling a firearm without proper training"
Yeah, it may be an accident, but it is both the armorers fault for having a live round anywhere near a movie set, and the actors for not having proper weapon training before handling a firearm.
There are strong whispers on how toxic environment was on the shooting set, a few peoples choose to walk away from the set only a day before fatal incident , not to forget Baldwin wasn't just an actor he is a producer as well!
Why having live rounds at movie set to begin with??
That's what I dont understand?!
@ぐるぐう Among other things.
at least dont keep the live rounds with the blanks.
Well the prop Master doesn't know really anything about guns.
There was no live ammo. The blank broke off fragments which hit the people as shrapnel.
The scary question is, "Does Alec Baldwin know enough about guns to be able to tell if the bullets in it are real?"
Apparently being Anti Gun makes him an Expert though!.
I live in a country with little to no gun related deaths and quite the amount of hunters and sport shooting. As a paramedics we receive basic firearms safety training. I did several practical courses specifically held by local police to train us to properly handle firearms at sights of injury ( due to cleaning accidents and suicides). Which are almost the only gun related deaths we have. Rarely cleaning accidents , mostly injuries rarely deaths and suicides. In my years of service I had two gun related incidents. One suicide and one hunting rifle accidentally discharge and injure the person cleaning his gun. Our statistics go as in 5-8 deaths per year for our entire country. I'm no gun expert, but I know how to safely handle most firearms and due to private interest learned how to maintain , field strip and clean lots of them from a hunter friend.
"The humor is very dark and you should probably leave if it offends you."
Good, I'm in the right place
KInd of like knowing you're in a good restaurant when there's a note at the bottom of the menu that states "Please no substitutions"
I was thinking the same thing 🤣
I tell dead baby jokes for fun!!!
I feel like I know you
@@winejew9594 If you go from your parole officer to the gun store, then the bar, then church... in the DFW area... you might
I'm on this as fast as humanly possible, we don't want another Kenosha video bit happening.
Bring on the memes
Archived immediately.
Brandon has arrived
Same, I was watching another ideo saw this come up on my screen and clicked so fast
We could only pray that hollywood goes away...i mean,we really dont needem anymore.
Guns don't kill, Alec Baldwin does and this POS still smiling just after the incident calling emergency makes me believes he is soulless.
I mean its actually pretty impressive that he managed to break 4 gun rules at the same time, can we give him an Oscar for that?
They'll have to create a new Razzy award category.
@@The86Misanthropist isn't that the Darwin award?
@@sammeister4903 usually the Darwin award is for the idiot to die and not the idiot killing someone
True. For a gun control advocate, he sure knows nothing about gun safty.
Still, I place more blame on the POS that loaded that firearm, lied about it being "cold" and gave it to Baldwin. Clearly had ill intennt
lets see.
finger on the trigger.
pointing at something you dont want to destroy/kill
*failing to check if weapon is safe*
i do believe that some personal responsibility should be had on alecs part. when he was handed a gun he should have checked if its safe. and the armorer was not even competent loading blanks into a firearm. i would much rather they listened to her when she said they she wasnt competent around guns because clearly she is an honest individual who knew her limits and got pushed beyond them anyway.
What makes the memes okay and what is infuriating is that nothing will happen to Alec besides the memes. He didn’t get arrested. He spent Halloween on Instagram. They will cover it up with a conspiracy about a disgruntled worker and Alec will continue to harp about wanting more laws that don’t apply to him. He’s an elitist douche bag that’s above any consequences.
He's got Epstein money. And Alec Baldwin didn't kill Jeffrey Epstein. Just that poor girl.
As of February 2022, he still hasn't spent any time in court and 'experts' are saying it's unlikely he'll be charged criminally. The man murdered some body. And has yet to face any repercussions. Absolutely fucking disgusting.
@@oldies109 well he should at least be charged with negligent manslaughter. Because murder is laid out as ‘with intent.’
His was just plain ol stupidity. Should be tried and should face charges. But not murder.
Because the law applies to everyone at all times, the dumb ass who shoots someone accidentally and someone who fired in self defense.
@@shawnwalker4936 I could see it being argued it was with intent with him being anti gun and him trying to use it to make guns look bad I dunno
@@oldies109 Technically, no. He's guilty of manslaughter, not murder- there was no INTENT to kill.
OK, glossary time, from a Fight Director and Gun Wrangler:
*Prop Gun*: Any firearm or object intended to resemble a firearm which is used on a film set
*Blank Firing Gun*: A prop gun which resembles a weapon, built explicitly to fire blanks (usually 8mm, and no, not 7.92x57) and cannot be loaded with real ammunition.
*Blank-adapted Gun*: A real firearm, capable of firing actual ammunition, which has been adapted with a (usually hidden) device to partially block the barrel and create enough chamber pressure to cycle the action. Is loaded with blank ammunition, but in the same caliber as real ammunition (ie, 5.56x45mm quarter-load blank; .30-06 full load blank). These tend to be "Hero Props"; used for close-ups and/or shots showing the disassembly or loading of the weapon. If you put a real slug down the barrel, you will get a burst barrel at the least.
*Live Gun*: a real, unmodified, firearm, capable of accepting and successfully firing actual ammunition. We try never to use these, but occasionally it ends up happening, particularly with older firearms in historical films, and especially on films on a limited budget. Watch your Gun Wrangler go nuts with safety protocols if one of these is around.
*Electric Non-Gun*: Electrically actuated prop which has a motor which moves the slide, kicks out empty brass cartridges, and ignites flash paper contained within the muzzle to simulate muzzle flash. These are custom-built by prop houses for pretty high amounts (5 figures), not commercially available, and are often the target of legal action by the real firearm companies since they necessarily resemble the real thing. Getting an Electric Glock is damn easy. Getting an Electric LeMat is not a thing, and you'd have to have it custom built and wait 6-18 months.
*Rubber Gun*: aka "stunt gun:" a rubber or silicone casting of a real firearm, painted to look genuine. Use of these is preferable at all times, unless there is a very specific reason to use anything else.
*Blank Round*: An explosive cartridge with an explosive propellant in various quantities (full, 3/4, 1/2, 1/4, primer only), a primer to set off the propellant, and a casing to hold it all, with no explicit projectile.
*Dummy Round*: A non-explosive cartridge consisting of a slug, casing, and sometimes a primer (the "pop" helps with sound keying), often used for closeup shots
*Live Round*: An actual, real, bullet-firing cartridge, with all 4 parts in there (slug, casing, powder, primer) and which SHOULD NEVER BE ON A GODDAMN FILM SET, EVER, PERIOD
Irritatingly, there are also term groups. A "Hot" gun is any prop gun which is has detonation-capable ammo in it. A "Cold" gun is any prop gun either incapable of accepting detonation-capable ammo, AND any prop gun which is capable of accepting that ammo, but which has been verified (usually by at least 2 people in direct visual contact) to be unloaded at that moment. Additionally, "Live" ammunition refers not only to a real round with all 4 components, but also to any round capable of any sort of detonation. So a dummy round with a primer in it can be considered a "live" round, and a blank can also be considered a "live" round. Unsurprisingly, all of this is confusing when getting reports from the media, because terms which work in the context of being there on set don't necessarily translate to the breathless invective thrown about in the media. So when the media says that there was a "REAL GUN ON SET OH GOD", was it a Live Gun, or a Blank-Adapted Gun? Because one of those is WAAAAY more dangerous than the other one. Both are real guns, but the odds of a slug coming out the barrel of one of them and killing someone is a LOT lower for one of them than the other.
Thank you for all of that.
Holy balls that's dedication.
Thanks for clearing this up!
Good info
This is great info, thanks for sharing.
I just realized that Alec Baldwin has more confirmed kills than I do and I was deployed to a war zone 3 fucking times!
To be fair, you probably never said "how about I just shoot the both of you" while pointing a gun at friendlies and pulling the trigger.
@@ericb6508 I shouldn’t laugh but goddamnit that’s good
I wonder if they're going to finish "shooting" the movie??? 🙊
@@keeboha43 bro chill 💀🥶
You need target lessons from Alec. 😉
Everyone just assumed at Alex’s age that he was shooting blanks.
We need to check to see if he’s secretly a Kennedy.
🥜
Ohh right giggity giggity
Lmao
Dats Funny
"..has a higher kill count than my entire gun collection."
IDK, SKS lookin' sus...
You don't piss uphill.
You don't bring 5.56 and 300 blackout to the range the same day.
You REALLY don't bring live rounds anywhere near a movie set.
Actually, many movies have used live rounds for realism in shots where nobody is being shot at.
@@noahhughes2501 still, don’t store it with the blanks.
Wait what does the second line refer to? I don’t quite get that one…
@@karelpgbr if you accidentally load 300 black out in a 556 gun it goes boom, its happened more than once
@@karelpgbr the .300blk loads in the same magazines and will chamber in the 5.56, if you have them in the same place while loading its possible to accidentally load one in your 5.56 mag and they will detonate the gun cause .308 cal bullet isn't going down a .223 barrel
God bless Norm Macdonald, he's looking down upon us all, laughing his ass off.
Ha ha
can actually see that.
I was on the set of Rust, walking through blood and bone...
He's gained another 45 pounds up there : )
The ironic part: “Rust” is a movie telling the story of a person that was accidentally shot and killed.
IT WAS PLANNED
🗿
Nailed it!
The irony of what the story is about is...ironic!
When life imitates art
Genuinely had no idea Brandon was only 25. Didn't think there was something that could age finer than wine.
Ouch.. I honestly thought he was 40.. The American model really shows it mileage.
He looks about 30-40 tbh
You are saying he looked older than he is but is "aging like fine wine"? Usually it's the other way. 😅
The "prop master" was a twenty-something female who was scared of guns, didn't know much of anything about them, and was only working on set through family connections. She somehow wasn't fired after the THREE negligent discharges in the previous days. All the pros had left the set and the Union confirms this. *No one qualified had handled that firearm.* Yes, it should go without saying, it's basic and I mean BASIC firearms safety, but there were no grown-ups in the room. I'm very sorry anyone is dead but it was practically foretold.
Actually her father is an armorer.. you would have thought he would have taught her something about guns..
@@cynthiar8145 "was only working on set through family connections"
@@cynthiar8145 When the results say otherwise I kinda doubt she had a single clue how to deal with firearms properly. Fear of something just blinds you to how to exist with it safely. By trying to stop people having legal access to firearms, and not teaching children how to safely handle them, you have created a generation of weak humans, who are just victims in waiting. Hard times create strong people, Strong people create good times, Good times create weak people, Weak people create Hard times, and so the cycle goes on and on forever.
Bruh fucking moment
They also were enjoying target shooting on breaks. With live rounds in real firearms. TMZ reported today. Baldwin the producer skirting SAG union laws and ignoring gun safety multiple times. Always comes down to money.
Can't wait for Alec to use this as fuel for a "see, this is why you shouldn't have guns" rant lmao
It was entirely his fault though
@@gifthorse3675 Yep. Guns aren't dangerous, people are. Especially when they have no clue what they're doing with a real weapon.
@@gifthorse3675 Man hates guns so vehemently that he couldn't even learn proper gun safety. It was up to him to check the chamber, even after all the mistaken go aheads, and make sure there was no live ammunition loaded. Then again, he may not be able to tell a blank and a live cartridge apart, as most Hollywood types are about as bright and informed as a potato when it comes to firearms.
"that gun went off! They're dangerous!"
@@gifthorse3675 How? He was told by a supposed 'Professional' that the gun was safe. A guy who's job it is to know about and be responsible for this crap. He had fired it once without issue, the second time this happened. What could he have done different?
If your lawyer or doctor tells you something is perfectly safe to do, you go and do it, and it ends up being very not fucking safe at all, is that your fault?
Safety is a huge problem in the film industry right now. Part of why IATSE are striking. My friend is a PA and has walked off several sets for unsafe stunt conditions.
@@lastswordfighter funny story, it was in the video.
If anyone would be at fault it would be the prop crew
Safety is an even bigger issue when a production hires people who don't know what they are doing because they are cheaper
I work for iatse. Trust me when I say it would have had to have been super sketchy for them to walk out.
Commie
With the question that keeps circulating "how'd a live round get there in the first place?" almost makes this feel like some twisted anti-gun setup. It's disgusting that someone lost their life but this seems too perfect. That or the levels of incompetence are at lows we couldn't even imagine.
Yup
They were target shooting earlier that day. A friend of mine was an extra on set that day. He was told to not talk abbout what happened that day, a day too late. Baldwin actually said: "Well, whhy don't I just shoot you" before he shot her. There is no way he's getting away with it.
I stand behind Alec Baldwin. Well, I'm sure not gonna stand in front of him.
Hahahahaha good one
LMFAO
I stand behind Alec Baldwin. I'm certainly not going to stand in front of him.
You win you comment of the day
😂😂😂😂
this whole thing is messed up but the Will Smith clip is a breath of fresh air to show that there are still people who understand gun safety, I honestly would love to see him make a firearms safety PSA, there needs to be more good role models out there
We need more who understand basic firearms safety
That's what kinda bugs me though; Baldwin has been in a LOT of action films where he's handled firearms. You'd think the actor would double check their shit, especially when it's so easy with a revolver, before discharging it OR at least take into account two of the most _basic_ rules of handling firearms; don't ever point a gun at something you don't intend to destroy and treat every gun like it's loaded.
I'm assuming that video was scripted.
@@Duck-dp7mq Partly. The slap is real, the grabbing the gun and clearing part was edited in later. There is a pretty good deconstruction of the clip flying around somewhere.
By the look on his face,
I seriously expected Smith to clock that guy.
My only question about this whole event: why the hell was live ammo even on the set at all?
My exact thought aswell, why would you have live ammo and firearms that are able to fire anything more than blanks
Never bring a hot gun to movie set
Its all trumps fault. He paid someone to load it with live ammo so he could make the left look bad.
Either extreme negligence or malicious intent
@@brandongriffey9474 ofc trump is the reason :DDD c r i n g e
Alec may be the only man in history to only get one kill on Rust. That map is small.
I was the archery instructor for the 2009 movie “Tsar” which is a Russia movie. We were doing a dangerous scene with archery where we almost had an accident. The guy I was instructing didn’t know anything about archery and was a bit cocky thinking he could pull off this stunt which was totally against my wishes. Movie sets can be dangerous depending on what you are doing. I’m not surprised this would eventually happen.
An actor who thinks he's smarter than everyone else with a huge ego. I don't believe it
It has happened before. Actor Brandon Lee, son of Bruce Lee, was killed on the set of "The Crow" when a live round was 'accidentally' mixed in with the blanks.
@@MickeyMouse-ul8zl, yea I’ve heard of that incident.
Well like you said cocky & stupid. Safety must always be number 1, forget about the movie and how many times you'll have to do a scene over & over. If you lose a life try to justify that. I bet someone will realize what a nightmare that can be, especially if the family is NOT satisfied with cash, but revenge
@@MickeyMouse-ul8zl isnt funny how his father was also assasinated on set via poison...
He has twice as many hits as he does shots fired, now that's impressive!
Mans got a damn Collateral!!
Something tells me this gun meme review is gonna end up like the konasha kid video
200% accuracy
+100 one kill
+25 damage player
Well you could say that he got better shoot than the camaraman
It’s almost like as if everyone should know how to safely handle firearms
No they’d just rather ban everything that can hurt someone
Do they not always point guns at people in like every movie??
It seems like idiots out there supposed killing people by accident a gun is not accident prone by itself reviewing safety rules of firearms is the first thing number one rule never point a firearm at anything that you don't intend to shoot I not really very smart but that rule sounds reasonable to me
If you're not trained with a gun you should leave them alone especially for fakie actors you don't know shitt
@@rogerturner3847 Doubt it was supposed to be a real firearm
Brandon Herrara running for congress looking back at some of these jokes "That shit does not look good on paper"
Having been in the army, if I took a weapon from someone else and took their word for it that it was clear/green without checking it myself and I were to end up smoking someone with it by accident, I would be underneath a prison by now.
Heck, I don't even trust *myself* when it comes to whether or not a gun is unloaded. I'll check periodically any time I am doing something with them.
@@FoeHammerTime I like the idea of checking if your gun is unloaded, it isn’t, and then eight minutes later there’s suddenly a round in there.
@@Skipsenberg Well I mean, it’s no surprise if it’s still loaded a few minutes after it’s not unloaded.
@@timchamberlin9280 funny enough, slingshots are still powerfull weapons that can kill. Give them nerf bows
Leavensworth rubbing their hands rn.
“I know a lot of you guys are just as fucked up as I am.”
Brandon, you have literally no idea.
Yeah. Do you think the woman Alec killed remembered her handbook for the recently deceased?
Does he realize a lot of us are the reason Garand thumb’s comment section is so messed up?
@@WasabiSniffer yeah…
Just subbed!!! Just my level of fucked uppedness
Ikr? If he saw my kenosha meme I'm sure even he would look away
He proved his point.
He wasn’t safe with a gun.
Not only does he have a higher kill count than us he also managed to get a collateral.
Interesting tidbit : The assistant director (Dave Hall) who handed Alec the gun, also worked on the set of the sequel to "The Crow," where Brandon Lee was killed by a prop gun
In what capacity?
Let's go Brandon .....Lee
Good point
Hmmmmmm.
Sounds like some ones getting free publicity of off a horrible "accident " .hmmmm
Brandon, if you're actually 25.. then every single firearm I own is actually a prop gun that fires live rounds
I figured he was at least 32
Exactly my thoughts. I believe this was part of the joke of him telling that celeb net worth page that hes 5 foot tall and weighs 70kilos and is 25
It fucks with my mind if he is the same age as me.
Ya hes quite young to have so much clout in the gun world. Used to be none of the old timers would give young guys the time of day. Let alone listen to somthing they may say about guns. Its funny to hear him talk about things like Saturday night live ever being funny and such, but maybe hes a super fan and binge watches SNL!!😝😝👌
He said that with the straightest of faces! I immediately went to googling and apparently he’s tricked all the top result pages 😂
"Prop gun" = "We want to pre-emptively absolve Alec of anything we can by confusing you." In the world of movies, there have been solid, non-firing guns used as props, made from different materials, but generally they use real guns. They get sourced from a hand-full of armories that exist in LA and companies that are near their filming locations. There is one or two in Bracketville (or have historically) that has serviced all the movies done at the fake Alamo out there. Either the prop master or armorer sources and manages the guns used in a film.
As well, I keep hearing "misfire" making the rounds in the media... 🤦♂️🤷♂️
Yup, it's how Forgotten Weapons; Ian (for anyone that doesn't know) was able to review a live, registered, legal RPG-7 and fire a demo shot.
@@combatwombatstl5598 wasn't there recent news that was said that the firearm was used off set for actually shooting practice?
Right lmfao. They even said it fired a live round. How tf does that work exactly if it's a prop? Sounds to me like it was a firearm but wtf do I know. I called that out as soon as the story broke. Everyone was commenting and saying it was probably a blank gun and he fired it at too close of a range and the gas jet did it or it exploded and I was sitting there like "there ain't no way a blank gun firing at close range killed one person and injured another and most definitely not a blowup if Alec Baldwin wasn't injured at all."
Exactly! I kept seeing prop gun all over Twitter and it was pissing me off. If a gun can fire real ammunition it's a just a gun. It's not like it was a block of wood or a replica or something that an act of divine intervention magically converted it to a standard, lethal weapon the moment he pulled the trigger.
"Prop" is just short for "Property". Which just means that it is being used as theatrical property for setting the stage and providing those items used in the movie. That includes "Sugar Glass", Breakaway chairs (chairs out of balsa wood and weakened in essential areas, cars being used on-set, etc. For the duration of the shoot, they are considered theatrical property even if they are rented or borrowed.
What is sugar glass? For some reason all I can come up with is it sounds like some weird drug thing
@@edschramm6757 it is a pane of "Glass" made of sugar
more specifically; it's a very fragile hard candy that prop departments use in place of real glass should the film call for a window being broken in some way as it will give a nice shattering effect and have next to no chance of causing anything more than minor discomfort and maybe something on par with a papercut.
@@boa_firebrand ah. Probably also makes cleanup much neater. Just spray the area with water
Revolvers, including non-self loading firearms, don't need blank adapters as they don'tneed to cycle themselves. Story says that live rounds were brought to have fun with offset, and the assistant director grabbed it quickly and claimed it was unloaded, and he cocked and was told by the cinematographer to aim for her as part of the scene. He cocked it and pulled it accidentally.
When you connect the word together with another as a single item like "prop gun" though, that is implying that it is _just_ a prop, not real. You wouldn't call a chair or a glass a "prop chair" or "prop glass" if it was just a regular chair or glass, only if it was one of those special ones you mention. So "prop gun" is 100% the media trying to cover for him.
I was waiting all day yesterday for an EGMR. Hell yeah brother.
@@darkwingduck7247 bruh what???😂
Same
HEEELLLL YEEAAAAHH
Me too
You sound like a hipster version of Macho man...."notcho man- Tammy Ma"amage"
I'm actually surprised that gun safety which isn't hard to grasp isn't taught with anybody who handles guns or props on set.
On some sets it is. In some cases the actors actually get real firearms training. From what I understand this was a pretty low budget movie though and they were cutting corners and the people they hired didn't know how to do their jobs properly. I would be willing to bet with Alec's career he probably knows how to check and unload a weapon and handle one safely even though he doesn't like them. Lots of rules were broken here unfortunately.
How can you teach somebody who already knows everything?
If it can load live ammo, chamber a round, and discharge I wouldnt call that a prop.
So the armorer was a 27 year old woman with minimal experience. Likely had no organization method and handed off the wrong gun for the shot.
A prop gun is just a gun used in a film
@@ralcogaming7674 it sounds like the director tool a gun from her tent while she was busy and gave it to Baldwin. Literally didn't even check if it was loaded.
@@thelordofcringe then the director is at fault. Can they charge him for injuring himself?
@@gmofkings Nope
I always find the pre-review warnings hilarious, as if any of us gun guys don’t have a fucked up sense of humor. But keep doing it cause it’s funny. Love those warnings.
Even Deadshot is safer to be around than Alec Baldwin…
no shit. at least he is cultured about gun safety.
Anyone played Hitman: Blood Money? This reminds me of the "Curtains Down" level in which you can stage an accident by replacing the fake prop gun with a real one.
My most satisfying kills from the franchise
I never played it and this even made me think of “that one hitman kill”
@@mormoncoffee9196 based
My favorite of the hitman series
Oh I remember that. I also remember when the (I think) director went up to the body and then I blew up the set lights that were above to crush him. Damn blood money was cool
The worst thing about this is that we learned this lesson from "the Crow" and everyone made really tight rules on how to handle guns on set. Production companies and unions knew how to do it right for decades, and some how multiple safeties had to have failed for this to happen. That's what happens when people don't take gun training and safety seriously
Brandon Lee was murdered in a ritual by the illuminati on the same date they murdered Bruce Lee. Check the dates.
@@life1042 I'm not a lawyer, but I think a coincidence of dates isn't enough to establish motive as ritual and attribution to a shadowy organization that controls the world.
The part that is really sad (for the state of Hollywood) is how, from the 1940s to 1980s, movies had people blasting away on set with blanks and no one ever got hurt in real life.
Then again, the cast and crew of many of those movies were actual combat vets, so they came with gun safety training.
What was sad is that Brandon's tragedy was an example of Murphy's law. Not this one
@UCdWd_wZM0Q7j3YDmrb4cbWw I checked the dates and they don’t match.
We aren't making fun of the tragedy that occurred. Truly heartbreaking for her and her family. We are making fun of the ignorance of people who willing refuse to learn anything about guns and how to use handle and operate them safely. If he wasn't so willfully ignorant towards firearms this wouldn't have happened. It's that simple.
Well said
A good friend of mine worked on the set of “Dunkirk”. He was responsible for mechanical work on the planes. He left the set 2 months early detailing that the producers were pushy and didn’t care if the planes would never fly again per the FAA if they were to drill holes to hang a camera on the wings of a 70 y/o plane. Hollywood doesn’t care so long as they get the shot in a given time. I can imagine that is what happened here… what’s cheapest and fastest, I’m sure it’ll be fine.
Surprise! Movie industry is not better than any other industry!
That's just sad.... old ww2 planes getting destroyed like that
Jay Leno said that you should never rent your classic car to a movie company. Because they can just cut out huge chunks of the dash board to make room for the camera. With out hesitating and never give a second thought about how rare and historical the car is. Or that it isn't their car too vandalize.
as someone who's an Air Force vet currently working in production at a plane manufacturer, this makes my eyeballs twitch
Yeah that is most likely what happened.
What everybody misunderstands about Brandon Lee’s death was just how stupid it was and how it could have been avoided. In that case it was a real smith and Wesson model 629 revolver. The prop master/armorer had made “dummy rounds” for close up shots by removing the gunpowder from real bullets, but left live primers in the casings. At an unknown point during filming, one of these dummy rounds went off and the bullet was forced just barely out of the case into the barrel, essentially a squib load. During a later scene, when the gun was loaded with blanks, the pressure from the blank cartridge was enough to force the squib out the barrel at lethal velocity. Without having all the information, I can’t say for certain, but reading some of the articles online, it sounds like the armorer for Rust (Hannah Gutierrez) had very little experience and a history of malpractice. That being said, it’s inexcusable to me that the assistant director just picked up a gun without checking its status and handed it to an actor who also did not check it, and then pointed it DIRECTLY at someone. We all know that you never take the condition of a gun that is transferred to you for granted. When you let inexperienced and careless people train and supervise COMPLETELY untrained and careless people, this sort of thing is bound to happen. And now studios are virtue signaling that they won’t use “real guns” on productions anymore. Obviously we can’t hold anyone in Hollywood responsible so we have to get rid of the big bad guns. That’s obviously the problem.
That is explains it, thank you!
Penn & Teller know their guns are fake. They designed the whole magic trick. They still fire the fake guns up at the rafters during the trick.
Let's go Brandon
this being an Independent "low budget" production, having safety issues on set does not surprise me. Gives credence to the camera crew for walking off set and leaving making AB angry at HH.
I think the scarier part is that it's possible that he may have intentionally pointed and fired, hoping that it was a scary flash type charge to do just that...scare them. Scared 'em real good.
I’m kinda bummed that Hunt for Red October didn’t make the cut.
“Hey Ryan, be careful what you shoot at. Some things in here don’t react well to bullets.”
I remember that! Scary to think that Connery could have died on that set that day.
That line was built to be memed!
One ping, Mr. Ryan, one ping only.
That's a Sean Connery movie tbh
I had not thought of that, but Jesus that is fucked up.
Classic murder mystery moment. Somebody wanted the director dead, so before they started filming they put a real bullet in the gun.
Um...no.
That clip of Will Smith deflecting that pistol was the most badass celebrity thing I've seen since Keanu Reeves ran a 3 gun shoot
Lol I made a comment before seeing yours cuz I thought no one was gonna mention the Will Smith clip, now I gotta delete it lop
Unfortunately him checking the gun was a bit that they added on afterwards, the original video is just Smith slapping the gun and the person saying thank you Will
@@andrewcarlton9061 it's actually good to know, because I've always thought that this "checking" part is a bit over the top. The slapping is, though, really awesome. It does look like he knows what he does.
@@TheWinjin yeah, definitely looks like he knows being flagged is potentially really bad, which some celebs clearly don't understand.
Treat all guns as if they're loaded, goddamnit hollywood!
@@professormutant3252 or, if you're so anti-gun, show that even a western can be interesting without guns that shoot. Demonstrate how wrong the assumption is.
Brandon this is absolutely hilarious because it emphasizes that guns are not the problem and that idiots are the problem better than any other situation that you or i could possibly think of
Who was stupid enough to let Alec Fatwin get his hands on a gun?!
But the MSM will blame guns in general...because stupid people.
This whole thing, feels like a Hitman Level in blood money. It’s just not in an Opera House
It does almost feel like someone intentionally planted a gun with live ammo, considering how stupid and major an oversight it would be.
"Congratulations 47, excellent work."
This. Your the only guy whose made this correlation and for that I’m forever in your debt.
*Accident Kill*
Proxy kill,the highest achievement an assassin can get.
From what I understand the "Prop" does not mean fake or otherwise modified firearm. It is literally short for "Property" as in Property of the studio. SO, functionally, it is the same as any other gun and is still a working firearm that is able to fire any round that it is chambered for. It is the ammo that is different and only dummy rounds are meant to be used
Guarantee you he just doubles down on how “dangerous” and “unpredictable” guns are. How if someone as smart and awesome as him can’t handle it, then you certainly can’t either.
@@ДжексонДиринг got a source on that?
@@ДжексонДиринг so no link? What a coincidence 💀
@@ДжексонДиринг that doesent even exist the first thing i got was fake news generator
Yeah, totally makes sense. /s
Honestly, I think Baldwin will just step out of the public eye after the dust settles and that will be the end of it. If he was Brandon's age, he could come back from this, but he's not; he's 68. He's done.
"I wonder how it must feel to wrongfully kill someone..."
- Alec Baldwin (9/22/17)
Idk Mr. Baldwin you'll have to tell me, what is it like?
Wow I didn't expect to get blessed by AK Jesus.
Thanks for the heart Brandon! ♥️
Americans are just different...
They have 22 months over there...
@@caturix4541 do you even know what 22kill is?
@@odinmcboden9690 what no? I was talking abbout the date
@@caturix4541 22 month? Wtf is that?
Alec is more responsible than he's letting on to. He wasn't just an actor... He was a producer and highly involved with this movie. If safety complaints were made and he did nothing, he's responsible even if he didn't pull the trigger. I feel like an involuntary manslaughter charge is coming for alec
He should get charged but it’s Hollywood and there will be no accountability.
Alec is a rich celebrity. They won't touch him. They'll just throw the charges onto the armorer on set and make everyone else involved not liable because they are famous. It's going to be classic rules for thee but not for me.
My favorite part was when he was told it wasn’t armed, as if that’s an excuse for not checking it yourself
He is responsible. He did pull the trigger. There is no “ifs” he went bang bang and shot them
It would be involuntarily manslaughter for you my friend, but for those wealthy elites who align with the establishment, they literally get away with murder and r@pe.
A “prop” is property of the studio. A real, live-firing gun can, indeed, be a prop. The thing that pisses me off is that people conflate a prop gun with a gun that can’t shoot live ammunition.
Revolvers, including non-self loading firearms, don't need blank adapters as they don'tneed to cycle themselves. Story says that live rounds were brought to have fun with offset. Should just used cheap denix replicas
True chad:
- supports the weapon ban
- actually shots people
- refuses to elaborate further
average ATF employee
Refuses to elaborate? He legally can't.
Has a history of drug abuse...
@@magisterrleth3129 I mean, he can.. he just probably shouldn't.
What really blows is that this will probably only serve to galvanize his point of view. “Look how easy it happened to me, could be anyone!”
The absolute irony is that majority of people killed by responsible and legal gun owners are violent criminals in the middle of a criminal act whether it be assaulting the gun owner or someone else
Only people who take zero responsibility for their actions like him
Yeah but anyone with half a brain and every single gun safty instructor in the world would tell him he is a fucking idiot.
@@sebastianriz4703 And what about the armorer? You know, the gun expert?
@@Shepard_AU Of course she's at fault, too. But Baldwin is the producer of this mess of movie. He hired her, he kept working with her although half the crew complained and walked out. He signed on to shooting gun scenes without the armorer being present. And then, full well knowing that *his* production is breaking all the gun safety rules, he can't even be bothered to check the "cold" gun before "jokingly" shooting at his crew?
Its not a "prop gun", if it can fire lives rounds it's called a "gun".
If your being literal prop just means property, ie things that the production company owns or rents.
If you were talking about touring theatre companies back in the old days that would mean blunt swords and wooden guns you could use safely on stage when the audience was thirty feet away.
These days with close up HD it can mean anything from rubber copies to real guns with blank rounds
@@voiceofraisin3778 No, prop doesn't and never officially meant property. Maybe in a dialect somewhere, but not officially.
Prop means it's not the real thing, due to being altered to be unusable for what the real thing was meant for.
It can also mean an object manufactured for use in a movie or theatre, etc, though this is usually only used for things otherwise non-existent irl.
@@voiceofraisin3778
I mean a quite google search turns up:
" If a piece is used to discharge either live ammunition or blanks, it is considered a firearm, not a prop."
I think it's just Hollywood trying to deny the fact they use guns.
@@voiceofraisin3778 how do windows taste?
I think you ought to give Alec his props. The first time I shot a pistol I couldn't hit shit. Alec pulled a Quigley on his first attempt.
“Alec has a higher kill count than all of my guns combined.”
Tokarev and makarov: are we a joke to you?
and AK
And my early war mosin
I think mosin has highest probability of a kill
@@dai2dai246 my type 53 has 7 deliberate notches on the bottom of the stock
In defense of Makarov, do traitors really count?
Keanu Reeves probably has the best firearm safety record among Hollywood actors, given he actually went through live fire drills for the John Wick films.
As for the Rust safety issue, Baldwin is listed as producer. Let that sink in.
He's also not that bad at 3 gunning.
Wasn’t he on set as an actor and not a producer?
And if someone had handed Keanu a firearm loaded with live ammunition or an improperly made blank, the exact same thing would have happened with him.
@@100nitrog Nah, one you learn and do real things they become instinctive. There's stories of veterans going to the range and accidentally slamming a magazine against their bare head because of training, lol. Once you've shot on ranges with guns, you'd treat them all the same. Then it all boils down to how attentive you are on the day, which is how most fuckups happen in life.
@@100nitrog Exactly. I don't blame Alec unless he is the one who loaded the gun. Too fucking soon for all this. If you're an actor and someone hands you something they say is safe and tells you to shoot, I can't really blame you for doing so.
I love when someone can separate the acting from the actor. It's okay to like someone's movies without liking them as an individual, glad you aren't afraid to admit there is a separation of art and artist, too many people can't make that partition in their head.
Still heartbreaking when an actor you love is braindead, even moreso when they bring politics into their roles.
Good example is Tom Ellis, he made a joke about trump going to hell in Lucifer which seemed fitting at the time, but after learning he has really bad TDS, that joke seemed more forced upon a second look, then the last season got even worse. :c
You shouldn’t separate it for the truly hardcore ones. They literally hate you and everything you support. Why would you support people like that financially or in any other way?
I dont like the guy. Hes funny. But I dont like him. I also hope hes ok, since he didn't mean to shoot them. Whoever loaded the gun is at fault.
@@TwoStageTrigger yeah I don't like his views but that's majority of Hollywood. Doesn't make me change the channel if 30 Rock comes on. And I grew up listening to him narrating Thomas the Tank Engine.
@@KD-lb9bg exactly.
It's just extremely hard to enjoy a movie knowing the lead or costar truly hates me and everything I stand for.
Dude you said rust and I thought the exact same way lol...subscribed!
"If you don't have a really fucked up sense of humour, you might want to watch a different video."
Me: "Oh, this is gonna be a good one."
my thoughts too.....
Me: “That’s... why I’m here”
@@fun_police8011 i was about to say the same
“Guns go off by themselves” Is like saying that cars can start their own engines
"I thought it was a prop car!"
Ironic thing is that both can run away on you. My mom had a car that would often keep running when you shut the key off due to what is called "dieseling" (Diesel engines work via compression and heat, no spark really required, so her car would sometimes keep goign when the spark was turned off). Meanwhile with guns you can get runaways as well like the .22LR conversion AK Daddy tried in one of his guns.
Yes, like during that rally.. when the ar fired by itself...
cars can start their own engines
Idk man, my truck took off to mexico on its own, got really drunk and killed a hooker. Gotta unplug them batteries
Brandon, I swear you did that Norm impression so well that it felt like he was back with us, Jesus, man. That was amazing 😂😂
No rap cap😭
Filmmaker here;
Seems that there’s confusion in the wording here. A Prop is any item that an actor interacts with in a scene, therefore, any Gun given to an actor to be handled in a scene is a Prop. However, there are dedicated Prop-Guns designed to be safer for people to interact with on set, but many revolvers used as props are often (especially in low budget film) real guns.
Anytime a gun (real, prop, or completely fake) is brought onto set it’s supposed to be checked to be cold before it leaves the armors hands. The AD (assistant director) grabbed the gun, and didn’t check it before handing it to Baldwin but chose to say that it was cold. Cold is a disarming word that means safe, no one needs hearing protection, and not to worry as it’s pointed around set.
There is a difference in a Prop-Gun, and a Gun being used as a prop. Alec Baldwin was handed a real gun that was hot with live rounds.
Hope this clears up a bit.
Still, basic instinct for a gun owner is to check it themselves as soon as its handed to them.
There are real bullets and blanks. Pretty obvious is the difference. Have seen in movies where even with the angle of the camera the firearm is still not directly pointed at anyone directly
the story is that someone who refused to be informed about firearms, didn't check if the weapon was loaded and didn't treat the weapons as if it was loaded
anti - gun kills
^ this
@UCdwX4qessc8ibv54VeG32wQ couldn’t have shot a blank though? Someone actually got him a live round?
Actors are typically people who are very egotistical in the way they act much like how with the crow and Brandon Lee they didn't check the barrel of the gun before shooting it again and Brandon Lee got shot they didn't even check I feel bad for everyone involved but Alec Baldwin because he's a dick I just wish it didn't take a innocent life though
Also.. This was NOT an accident. Always treat a gun as if it is loaded, until proved otherwise. Never point a gun at anyone, unless you're looking to kill them. Always check your line of fire and backstop, because he managed to hit two people.
Worst thing is he probably won't be charged with homicide by negligence, and he'll probably use this to keep campaigning against gun ownership.
Reply to bump the algorithm
"guns dont kill people"
"Alec baldwin does"
Killed me!! xD
Be careful Alec Baldwin doesn't.
Only one that beats that one is the wine/cheese meme
Hey, at least Baldwin is now prime expert on unsafe gun handling. When he’s gonna go off again about gun control, you can’t say he doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
Yeap. Prime example of why you always check an unloaded gun to make sure it is unloaded. Gun safety 101
@John Blystone he probably would. Because he is the example for those who don't know how to use a gun.
Unfortunately I think this is just going to fuel his anti gun rage all that much more. I am sure he thinks of himself as the victim here. I'm just not sure why as an anti gun person he would bother making a movie like this? He should stick to comedy, he is better at it.
His Scene was pointing the Gun at the Camera Bond Style, and he did just that. He was told the gun had Blanks in it and it's the armourers job to make sure the gun is safe, not the Actors.
@@DanielLopez-up6os Still always treat the gun as if it's loaded. No one is exent of that not even actors
“Don’t worry it’s unloaded!”
*BANG*
“It’s unloaded now”
Please tell me someone got that reference
Brandon: “If you don’t have a fucked up sense of humor, you might want to find a different video.”
Me: “I finally found my happy place.”
BUCK JOE BIDEN!
So my respect for Will Smith just went up quite a few notches, that was seriously one of the smartest, and most badass, things I've seen from an actor in a long time.
The editing made it pretty golden too
i liked it i thought it was just gonna be the eye thing like you best not point that at me then clears the gun like a pro well done sir.
The cherry on top of this whole scenario is that the plot of the movie “Rust” was about a 13 year old boy going on the run with his outlaw grandfather after the boy shot and killed a local rancher by accident.
Alec Baldwin plays the boy’s grandfather.
*That movie ain’t getting finished.*
You could say the boy was continuing the family's business lmao
Guess it runs in the bloodline.
Karma is a b*****
Art imitates life
Things that get better with age; Wine, cheese, Alec Baldwin's aim.
Also you just made me gain respect for Will Smith.
Sweet mother of God
Ow no lad, you better stop saying her name because the ticket for where we're going is the opposite direction than towards God or his sweet mother.
@@Spiritus_Invictus explain in detail?
@@N9TheNoob Alex means hell
@Kristoff Gerhardt idk what other religions call it or if other religions have it but it’s basically where you supposedly go if you do things your god doesn’t like or your church says he doesn’t like
@Kristoff Gerhardt the one thats the setting of hazbin hotel and helava boss hopefully because let's face it we are pretty much destined to go down and not up.
Remember that with every negligent discharge, they “didn’t have an actual bullet in there”
shows how important gun safety is for EVERYONE. Especially those people who are anti gun.
To be fair, in the case of a film, it's the armorer's job to load the right ammunition in the gun. They're literally paid to be the person liable with the handling of the firearms. Alec Baldwin has probably fired thousands of blanks from prop guns in movies through his career, it's not really fair to ask him to practice firearms safety when that's not his job, and never has been. I doubt he even knew the prop guns could fire live ammunition, nor could he have ever fathomed that in all his years on the stage, _that_ time it would have a live round. It's not as simple as saying "he should have checked that it was loaded." That doesn't apply, it was supposed to be loaded. Why would he make sure the bullet is a blank, when there's a person who's job is to do exactly that before giving him the gun?
@@magisterrleth3129 you still don’t rely on someone else and completely avoid the rules of gun safety
@@akokyayo2025 agreed
@@akokyayo2025 You do if you have no reason to. Alec Baldwin doesn't like guns. He doesn't care to learn about them, or their handing procedures, because they have no interest to him. They're the least interesting part of his job. And he's spent 40 fucking years doing it this way, and nothing bad ever happened that time. The argument "he wasn't gun safety" well of course he wasn't, he doesn't normally handle guns, certainly not loaded ones, and he'd have had no reason to check whether it had live rounds unless you think he can see the future. Clairvoyance is not a power often attributed to Alec Baldwin. I can tell you one thing; he's going to check every gun he's handed on set moving forward. That's how these things work. No he knows being handed a live firearm is actually a thing that can happen.
@@magisterrleth3129
Yeah, the whole crew was super irresponsible in this.
First they fucked over the seasoned union crew who promptly left. So they hired what they could get out in New Mexico.
The armorer was being an idiot who let crew take out the actual real guns used on set to shoot cans for fun.
Bad Juju, that.
They had life rounds in guns. On a film set. And the armorer failed to remove them. Because of course that's what happens. The guns that NEED TO BE HANDLED IN AN UNSAFE MANNER HAD LIFE BULLETS IN THEM AT ANY POINT! It is not done.
Blanks are dangerous enough. Using actual firearms requires absolute discipline from the crew.
And those dumb assholes just went and loaded them hot.
Leaving life ammunition around a set where the guns will be handled by actors is tantamount to murder.
Actors are not trained with guns, they have no way to know if what they hold is full of actual rounds or props that just look as though they are.
They can't have their own weapons checks every time they start filming. And they don't have to because they have a weapons specialist to do just that. Just like they can't check if the bottle they're handed is really sugar.
So yeah. Someone fucked up hard. All the way. And they handed an actor a loaded gun on set.
11:42 I agree completely, if your own prop master says not only that she doesn't know how to do something but is AFRAID to do it, you shout : STOP EVERYTHING, as loud as you can or else you take responsibility for allowing her to continue or worse MAKING her continue
It's nice to see a lot of people supporting you. Let's go Brandon!
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We need to see the clip from "Hunt for red October" where Sean Connery hands Alec a .45 and says, "...be careful what you point this at..."
That was actually a 9mm Colt Mk. IV
Some things in don't react well to bullets
@@Scientist_Salarian Really?!! Thanks!
@@Scientist_Salarian colt is colt
@@csonweedagain5054 Not when one is a .45 1911 and one is a 9mm Mk. IV.
Brandon attempts British accent and fucking nails an Australian accent instead: task failed successfully.
Australia is just England 2.0 with New Zealand DLC.
Australians are what Brits would be if they were cool.
LOL.
Australians are brits who’ve advanced further in the tech tree
@@hawk66100 Nah, Australians are just Texans who talk funny and aren't cool enough to have guns.
If I was an ammo manufacturer that made blanks, I would've sponsored you.
Two things:
1. That clip of will smith is badass
2. How is this man only 5 years older than me???
yeah I'm pretty sure that was a joke
@@alexbraun55 he is 25
That was a joke.
I'm going to be honest this situation f***** me up big time due to the fact that when I went through my basic combative arms course in the Navy, our instructors told us that safety is everyone's responsibility. If you see anybody doing anything wrong (instructors included) you call them out. Luckily with the class that I was with we had very few safety violations and every safety violation was quickly called out and fixed. That being said, Alec Baldwin due to his negligence and willful ignorance ended up taking somebody's life and should be held responsible for that.
He should 100% serve jail time for this. You can't even say accident because he literally said ' why don't I just shoot you both' after the director wanted a redo of a scene, pulled it from the holster and aimed it at them. It just so happened to have a live round in it, but he intentional aimed a gun at someone and whether it's real or not doesn't matter in the court room.
@@Pocket_Crab It matters, but only in the context of whether it was intentionally shooting someone, or being so extremely grossly negligent that he didn't know or care to know if it was real. It;s the difference between murder 1 and murder 3.
@@cheapbastard990 that’s still second degree murder due to his negligence, but he won’t be bc he’s a rich liberal so he’ll get a slap on the wrist as worst
Just wanna add some context, the person who was in charge of the movie guns decided to shoot the gun in between takes they loaded the rounds into the chamber… Alex still breaks the rules of firearms safety by not treating the weapon as if it loaded etc but there’s the context
@@lucaniouspetrenko9404 Been wondering how that shit got in there. Thanks for the info.
Generally, revolvers, pump shotguns, break actions, lever actions, and bolt actions don’t have to be modified to fire blanks and are the real deal. Semi autos are the only ones that have to be modified. Seeing as this is a western, I’m going to go out on a limb and say that all of the guns are real, unmodified guns.
And, let's be honest, single-action revolvers aren't known for having overly stout triggers...a strong wish is usually enough.
Agree 100% and I said the same thing. Maybe prop guns should be modified like starter pistols so the CAN'T chamber a live round. It's said to have to come to that, but apparently it's necessary given the level of incompetence in Hollywood.
Oh I agree. This was 100% preventable. As a law enforcement officer, it is common practice when loading a less lethal shotgun, to have a witness handle each shell before it’s loaded into the firearm, therefore, it’s being inspected twice before being loaded. The level of incompetence surrounding this incident blows my mind.
Normally they will use a real live unmodified firearm as the “Hero” gun. This is to say a gun that looks real on camera because it is real. These types of guns are used for close up shots and promotion material and aren’t modified because people spot that shit really quick. Even semi auto guns in this case would be unmodified guns and actors are typically trained in safety and use of those firearms for this exact reason
Looking at the new news coming out I think he was practicing a cross draw while faning the hammer. so he could have sent a round without pulling the trigger if the trigger spring was worn out. 🤔
The fact that he was set free is just mind boggling! Probably because he is a director in Hollywood and not some normal civilian
If Baldwin actually knew the rules of firearms safety, this might be a different story. Blanks were loaded in the gun, but the handler told him it was a “cold gun”. All he had to do was check the chamber… y’know, like you always should when someone hands you any kind of firearm…
One problem is in movies they use what they call "hero rounds" for close ups, (especially in revolvers, which being a western is highly likley but also in reloading shots on any type of firearm) which are supposed to be fully inert dummies, just an empty case with a projectile and either no or a de-activated primer, so a simple visual check does not tell anyone if its unloaded or loaded with blanks if one expects to see a round that is inert but LOOKS fully functioning.Hero round with an active primer is what kileld Lee, primer pushed proj into barrel, blank fired afterwards completed the process. Simply should not have been live ammo on set and hero rounds should be discretly marked and verified by at least 2 seperate competent people to be fully inert. Not defending Baldwin in any way, just i have a tiny understanding on how things work on movies sets.
@@dunxy Hero rounds shouldnt exist as far as I am concerned. The argument of using them in a revolver to make it look like it has bullets in it could easily be patched up by CGI.
I mean if swordsmen theamed movies can make it work by using CGI to put the sword blade into the movie than why cant they CGI some bullets in their revolvers?
@@dunxy if you know about ammunition you would know if a round is live or cold if you check it
@@Shepard_AU Ya packs yer own chutes!
@@dragonrider269 Sigh, i know plenty about ammunition. Loaded 10's of thousands of rounds and shot many many more. How can you tell an emtpy case with an inert primer and a projectile from live ammo? Unless you actually go and pull the trigger, dinting the primer and then rendering it obvious to trained eye during close ups which is why they use inert primers in these rounds vs fired primers. As far as other comments about them existing or not, i see no problem if they are discretly marked and checked by two competent people and theres no live ammo on set. Im not in movies , i just know a tiny bit more than most in these comments who seem to think its all about blanks and all props have to be fake items.
always remember:
“it’s not the gun that kills the person, it’s the bullet.”
- me
"Guns don't kill people, Alec Baldwin does".
"Guns don't kill people, the government does." Dale Gribb- I mean Rusty Shackleford:
"Guns don't kill people, blood loss and trauma do"
@@intecrisis "guns don't kill people, the people taking the bullet does"
Always remember:
“It’s not the gun that kills the person, it’s me.”
-the bullet
Gun community: is overpenetration with FMJ ammo a thing? Has a bullet ever gone through somebody and hit somebody else?
Alec Baldwin: well, let's find out.
"Hmm, it seems to be jammed, look into the barrel and tell me if it's jammed." -Alec Baldwin