10 Most Hated Star Trek: Voyager Episodes
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I strongly object #2. Great episode with an actual payoff in a later episode, which features one of the most depressing and dark events of any Trek.
Absolutely agree. The second part of that story is so messed up, it's worth it alone.
I love "Twisted" and "Demon" has a payoff episode later in the series
"Course:Oblivian"
@@johnmorris7735 one of the saddest episodes IMO
@@ZoeyZoco I know. I was really rooting for them
I remeber watching course oblivion and was shocked they didn’t make it because Star Trek always had happy ending.
Now in my early 40s it clear they couldn’t survive because how would that have worked.
Course oblivion and demon are awesome and 2 of favorite voyager episodes
I liked Twisted as well
I actually quite enjoyed "Twisted" for its character moments, such as the one between Janeway and Kim in the Jefferies tube, and the sequel episode to "Demon", "Course: Oblivion" really goes into depth about the crew's realisation that they are clones. Plus it has one of the saddest endings to a Star Trek episode ever
There are some stinker Voyager episodes but I actually like "Twisted." It was fun, had some tension, and had a little bit of humor to it.
Each time they get a data dump, you never hear about the data dump again. It's like they have this infinitely sized computer system that no one bothers to investigate.
It would've been nice if they spent some time on the aliens that left the ship twisted, and got them some weird warp drive that caused the ship to be twisted again
@@FunkyMooch Actually, the data dumping might have really helped Voyager in the long run. They use a lot of the new acquired data (from various sources) in the Astrometrics Lab to plot and map a new course to home, knocking a few years from their journey. I do agree that they don't really reference it since many of the episodes are "self-contained," making it difficult to refer to past episodes.
One of my favourite episodes but it's def got it's flaws for sure
Hey! Show some love for Rise. The ultimate hero of the episode is a geologist who discovered the alien plot. To be fair, I also jokingly consider "That Which Survives" the worst Original Series episode because they "red shirted" the geologist.
Came here to say this. Rise wasn’t bad.
I really liked Rise
Yea, i liked the interaction and character growth for both tuvok and neelix. The plot was entertaining as well.
I liked rise
I've never understood the hate towards Rise, it's a really good character development episode.
I think Robert Beltran would be offended by this channel saying that "Unforgettable" is disliked on the list. He's stated that it's his favorite Voyager episode.
Ok, Rise & Demon are actually pretty good episodes! The former really builds the relationship between Tuvok & Neelix, reflecting the great friendship Ethan & Tim had off set. The latter was brilliantly directed and utilized most of the Voyager cast really well! It was an episode where Voyager desperately needed deuterium and had to shut down most of the ship, something people complained that the show did not do enough. Love Voyager, always have always will despite the lows.
On the other hand, they were running out of Deuterium...which is an isotope of Hydrogen, the single most-common element in the universe.
I enjoyed "Rise" because it helped build the foil relationship between the open Neelix and stubborn Tuvok. Neelix's shutting down the tether and refusing to operate it despite Tuvok's order was him just saying "That's enough of your logic!" Tuvok had to learn a hard lesson of trusting intuition, which is completely contrary to his Vulcan logic.
"The Disease" isn't a great episode, but it is the first time we see Ensign Harry Kim outside of his usual "by-the-book" Starfleet behavior. His refusal to follow Captain Janeway's order to report to sickbay for treatment, I feel, is one of Garrett Wang's best performances in the entire series.
Spirt Folk really good too. Logically they then should just reset if you ever lost all your progress in a game it does not feel right. Then how they talk about Holorights that happen often in voyager you know its a deeper issue with them.
@@129das I agree "Spirit Folk" is good, too. I found myself wondering if TC forgot that "Spirit Folk" was a sequel to "Fair Haven." Even if it weren't, the continuation of holographic character development with the Doctor, Paris' "Captain Proton" sub-plot, and the Fair Haven program show that holographic characters had the ability to act in a realistic manner, which includes a very human reaction to the supernatural and superstition of the Irish folk in the program.
@@129das Yeah, with Spirit Folk, even not having seen the episode and just going by this video's information, I can imagine the moral problem with just resetting it is that, if they're becoming self-aware, they're now people. It's not like the Doctor isn't proof on their own ship that the computer can operate holographic sentient life.
Agree "Rise" changed things between Tuvok & Neelix because in this episode they were forced to confront their relationship with each other & change because of it resulting the depth of that relationship growing as they now faced each other more equally.
@@TheFalconerNZ You'd think "Tuvix" - which I'm kind-of surprised didn't make this list - would have done something like that.
Twisted is one of my favorite. Gave lots of character development I think
One of the best.
Number 2 getting a sequel where the copies build a new voyager and travel the quadrant while slowly dying because they left their home sort of resolves that plot and is one of the best episodes of voyager.
I like the episode "the Disease". It's not the best but hardly the worst. I like the character development for Harry. He has a point, where if it was Tom that did it (before Be'lanna) Janeway would have reacted differently. I actually wish Tal was a recurring character. It would have been interesting to see Harry in a relationship, plus she could have added a differenet POV for the crew as she was raised in the Delta Quadrant.
I liked Unforgettable apart from a bit of an unfulfilling ending. I thought the chemistry was good. I mean we're not talking 9 and a half weeks here: for Voyager it was acceptable. Just to add: a lot of Voyager and actually most sci fi, we have to suspend our disbelief, so it's only natural that some things feel unbelievable. Good to see Threshold at number one where it belongs.
Agreed. I thought "Unforgettable" was an enjoyable episode. I really liked the basic concept that there was a race of beings that could've interacted with dozens of times without ever knowing it.
I may be the odd man out but Twisted, Demon, and Threshold are actually some of my favorite episodes of Voyager. As for the other episodes on this list I'm indifferent to them I don't hate then butbi don't love them
Twisted has always been one of my absolute favourites 😁
I can't explain threshold tho I mean how is going past warp 10 going to evolve you into a lizard thing,also if they can go anywhere why not go home
I love Twisted, I've never understood why people find it boring. I've definitely never found it so. I also think Demon is good, and while Threshold is admittedly bad, I love watching it.
@@NovaNix4 Unforgettable and The Fight are the only two episodes that I actively dislike. There are a few others that I think are bit weak, but most of the rest I love. I really enjoy watching Threshold, it's just that the science is so bad it's laughable.
@@NovaNix4 Yeah, they had no chemistry at all.
Let us not forget that in "The Fight", the doctor used a potato peeler to heal Chakotay's wounds, at 3:05, the most unusual of dermal regenerator props to date, given they're usually a pointy thing that emits a little tractor beam-like effect... :P
I heard in an SFDebris video that they used the whole budget on effects, then realised the episode ran short, so they filmed more Doctor and Beltran scenes.
Oi! Some of these are on my favourite Voyager episodes list!
Rise may just be my all-time favourite!!!
You've made a powerful enemy here today, TrekCulture... Ò_Ó
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I agreed with all save one; [Rise].
I enjoyed [Rise], with Nelix in a leadership role, and Tuvok having to trust Nelix's ability to lead.
Honorable mention: Tuvix
I don't have to say anything about it.
Oh yes. Don't even have to contemplate that one 😂
You just blew my mind! Why didn’t they just use the warp 10 technology, then have the dr reverse the effects when they get to earth.
Because that episode never happened. It was a very Freudian dream Tom Paris recorded in his dream diary that the computer accidentally ended up listing in the official log files because of all the crazy stuff Voyager went through on it's journey home. At least that's how I headcanon that episode (and some of the other oddities the show has).
@@donkyhotay4583 yeeees!
Ship not compatibel. The shuttle had to be specially modified for it. They did a variant on it though (slipstream drive), which ended up Voyager crashlanding on an ice planet
@@1987tijgertje No, that was the quantum slipstream system that Voyager was incompatible with and ended up crashing when they tried to use it. That actually would have made a ton of sense if it had never been mentioned again, because (unlike the transwarp) they found it was incompatible in the first episode they learned about it.
I'm going to have to give Demon a pass. While your points are well taken, that episode leads to what I consider one of the best episodes of Voyager. That being Course: Oblivion. While they probably had no idea they'd create the latter when writing the former it does make me retroactively appreciate Demon a bit more.
Great video thank you so much please keep up your amazing work space safe and leave long and prosper🖖🏻
Hated by who? I love several of the episodes mentioned such as "Rise" or "Twisted". They may be a bit nonsensical and have large plot holes, but there's enough interesting stuff still.
*EXACTLY* idk who they talked to or how they came up with this list… but *HALF* of the episodes mentioned are pretty decent!
Indeed. That's the issue with lists such as these. It is literally ONE person's opinion just worded in such a way that it sounds like mass consensus 😂
I liked Unforgettable and The Disease, and if it werent for the existence of Demon, we would not have one of my top 10 episodes, Course: Oblivion.
Janeway essentially marching an innocent man to his death was a pretty morbid episode.
Which episode is this?
@@ZoeyZoco I can't remember the name, the one where Tuvoc and Neelix get melded together after a teleport issue and make a new person. He begs to stay alive but Janeway and a bunch of security officer march him to the teleporter to undo the mishap and bring the two crewmen back.
@@ZoeyZoco Tuvix
One of the rare channels where I don't skip the ads. Good work, -Seán- Tom.
I think one of the strangest things about voyager is that neelix is one of the worst characters… but has most of the best character focused episodes.
Slander. Neelix is bae.
Nah… *Seven* definitely has the best! Followed by *The Doctor* and even *BE’lanna!*
Neelix is a character that while I ultimately like him by the end of the show, it was a massive uphill slog to get to that point.
@@KhaosAdmiral All while fighting the writers' room the entire way...
I agree with most of this list although I think twisted and demon are actually decent episodes. Threshold is my guilty pleasure episode, yes it’s oh so ridiculous, not going to argue with anyone there, but I kinda love it anyway and you got to give it to Robert Duncan McNeill who did the absolute best he could with what he was given.
At least Demon had a great follow-up with Course: Oblivion.
The Warp 13 in "All Good Things" is really the deviation. Warp 10 being infinite speed is in the TNG series story bible, from Roddenberry, from before the show even aired. On top of that, the rewritten TNG warp scale always implied this was the case, which is why progression from warp 1 to 8 is logarithmic and fairly quick and then once you're over warp 9, they start doing the whole "9.1... 9.2...9.3... etc." because by then each point is vastly faster than any increase previously. The Enterprise-D topping out at warp 9.6 is incredibly slow compared to Voyager at Warp 9.975 and just a tiny increase up to 9.985 is actually a huge jump in speed. "Threshold" is a funky episode, but the Warp 10 part isn't that far out of left field.
Garret was so unhappy with the way he was treated but when you watch the series (I've watched it at least ten times) he is the person who has had the most adventures ! I never understood why he was never promoted.
You would Think that when Tom Paris was demoted would have left a slot on the bridge crew for Harry to be promoted. But I guess not? SMH.
Someone promised his mum that she could be there for his first promotion?
That's how little sense that made.
I‘m glad Treshold is number one. There was never a worse Voyager episode!
Tom AND Paris?
There's that WhatCulture quality assurance I've come to expect from every video!
I do love how easy it is for WhatCulture to farm comments from good folk like yourself.
It all helps with video engagement afterall!
Enduring body horror for the sake of travel could have been a clever metaphor for the TSA.
What I hated most about Spirit Folk was how the assertion that they're not alive outright contradicted much of what had previously been said about the holodeck, chief among them by Voyager itself with The Doctor. "No, they're not people, except when they are."
Great observations. Voyager ranks up with TNG and Enterprise for me. I personally like Twisted, Disease, Spirit Folk (and Fairhaven) and Demon -- likely for certain moments in each story, though I also liked the stories. But you make very good points about each episode in the list. Like most Trek series, they aren't seamless for sure. Thanks!
I've been watching Voyager on H&I recently, and I wish there were were more "unknown phenomenon" episodes like Twisted.
Twisted might owe its idea to a sci-fi novel by Fred Hoyle called October The First Is Too Late. In it, various parts of the earth revert to certain moments in time, and we can see different time periods interact with each other.
Yeah, that always bothered me about "Elogium". Like you say, just going by their own dialogue, the Ocampans would never survive, "Caretaker" or not.
That was brilliant!! Please do more.... PLEEEEEEASE!!! 🙏🏾
Interesting. I don’t agree that “Demon” or “Twisted” should be in the list, but the other 8 choices I fully understand.
I nominate “Sacred Ground” and “Persistence of Vision” to the list.
But... many Bothans died to bring us the latter.
_Threshold_ is number one on this list?! I didn't see that one coming all the way from the Alpha Quadrant. 🤭
Voyager is so underrated as a Star Trek series and it is not the black sheep of the franchise. Although I love it DS9 is the black sheep. It takes place on a space station, its considerably darker than other Star Trek. and has proper serialized stories.
Not watched yet, but I must always get this out. THE issue with Voyager is that the powers that be wanted a "space monster of the week" episodic show like TOS but then the set up for the show was "federation ship gets lost on the other side of the galaxy with no support and no quick way home".
With that set up Voyager should have been a decently serialized show where they were often referencing their resource and materiel status with many episodes covering how they've dealt with critical supply limitations. Trading to get local replacements for shuttlecraft. Setting up a dilithium refinery in a cargobay. Replacing their torpedo launchers (maybe just one?) with a local equivalent because they can't make more torps. etc. The fact that they couldn't just stop off at a starbase, rendezvous with a supply ship, or be equipped to be self sufficient should have been a central and continuing issue for the crew.
Yes, some writers DID pay lip service to it, and there WERE significant episodes about it. However, they also blew up shuttles all the time and after the first few episodes they could torp all they wanted despite establishing that they only had a limited number, couldn't make more, and never established HOW they got more.
Mind you, I quite enjoy Voyager. I like what they did. It's a good show. I just wish that they had quadrupled down on the supply issue.
Okay, watch video now.
Voyager was really good at taking a previously used plot and reusing it in a new and interesting way, The Fight however was not such a time as it was a pretty naked rip off of TNG Night Terrors. I also think that one with the Hirogen forcing the crew to live a WW2 fantasy was pretty gash too.
Yeah, mating with your Captain after abducting her & becoming mutant reptiles does break all the regulations in anyone's book🤯😂
1:55 Where does one find this uniform? It looks amazing I would love to get my hands on one
Marcus, I'm sorry you got the short straw and had do this episode.. on the plus side we (the internet) got to hear your wonderful voice again. :)
13:54: Also what did they do with their "children", leave them stranded without parents? Put them down? Neither option seems very Starfleet but they didn't bring them with.
Threshold definitely 100% crosses the line into "so dumb it's hilarious", but agreed on the list, love Voyager to bits but man, there are definitely some episodes I usually skip over on repeats 😆
I can understand the criticism for all of these episodes but I guess I really am a Voyager fanboy because I still love all of these lol
*Unforgettable, Rise, Twisted* don’t deserve to be on this list! They aren’t ground breaking by any means but are throughly enjoyable to watch!
*Threshold* is actually quite an intriguing concept… BUT the ending of this episode, as we all know, is what kills it 😂🦎
"In the Flesh" from season 5 is the worst for me as it completely ruins one of the best baddies in years. Species 8472 were previously shown to be completely impossible to negotiate with. also really calls into question the decision of Janeway to help the Borg destroy them in the Scorpion two parter.
What annoyed me the most about Voyager, was the lack of times that the ship was able to land on a terrestrial surface even though it was fully capable.
I also find it interesting that some series have been ongoing long enough that that the audience becomes invested. The crew ages throughout as the series progresses. It would have been nice had it been done with Voyager rather than be rushed during the final two seasons.
The main problem with all of these is the "episodic nature" of the show back in the day. Creating a mandatory 26 episodes per season (Writers' Strikes and shortened seasons aside) meant that even the flimsiest of plots would be greenlit as a filler till the big ones could be made.
J. Michael Stracynski had the right idea way back with Babylon 5 of self-contained episodes AND still being part of a larger narrative coupled with great character development. And now they're focusing on shorter seasons so stories can be tighter with less mediocre stories taking up space (no pun intended).
And it's not like they didn't have experience with making solo stories that fit into the overall narrative arc, either: Deep Space Nine was still wrapping up its final seasons as Voyager was first airing.
Threshold was clearly Q's petty response to Janeway's rejection in Q and the Gray (particularly where she says she'd like to have children, just not with him.) Of couse, he had to travel back in time to do it, or she'd have recognized it immediately.
Super fun to see these episodes get roasted by a fellow Voyager fan, thank you. I'm so glad you included Favorite Son...that's the series' low point IMO, it's an excruciating cringefest
i was waiting for them to do a voyager episode, i should have figured it would be something negative :p
That rock Chakotay is holding at 3:28 looks a lot like the Roswell Rock Robert Ridge found that had what he thinks is alien writings on it.
The Warp Scale is often changed. Given the rapid advancement of technologies, I believe that in the future episode of TNG, speeds previously referred to as "transwarp" became the new standard, and a new scale implemented.
One thing that bugs me about the continuity of it all is that... Enterprise takes place over 100 years before TOS... but it uses the "new" warp scale from TNG instead of the warp scale humanity would have been using (the one from TOS.)
Honestly, I can't see humanity changing its warp scale so frequently. Given how hard it's been to convince some countries to switch to metric, I can't see them adjusting a scale like that to be even more confusing by using the same units.
@@AustynSN Still the education systems in those counties does not rank as high as Star Trek era schools...
There's a great video elsewhere on RUclips that reworks "Threshold" and turns it into a Filmation-style Star Trek TAS episode.
Great video, but lest not forget that there is already a president set for possibly sentient holograms in the Star Trek universe. Are we forgetting the two very intriguing Star Trek TNG Episodes: "Elementary, Dear Data" and "Ship in a Bottle" with the Illustrious Professor Moriarty played excellently by Daniel Davis? Picard and Lt. Barclay had placed him into a Holocube letting him think he was in the real universe.
precedent
great to hear your voice Marcus
The Fight and Twisted are two of my most favourite episodes 😆 I don't necessarily HATE Threshold but even now as an adult Tom's look scares the living shit out of me when he slowly tunrs into that lizard thing. It's so creepy!!
Unforgettable is one of my favourite episodes.
The other mentioned... I don't remember them!! 😂
Seriously, I would have put Kess's return at #1. Just as a time travel story alone it makes absolutely no sense. And then at the end a message from herself turns her from murderous god-psychic to "oh gee! I remember I'm a good person now!" 🤬
Completely agree. My friend who'd seen all of Voyager before asked to skip this episode when we watched together because it was "horrible" in her words. Back then I thought she might be exaggerating. I watched it a year or two later and it went straight to the bottom of my personal worst episodes, what were they thinking?
I actually quite dig Threshold. I know it's silly and its consequences for the whole series and Trek lore in general remains completely ignored but heck I love me some silly SciFi
Ooh, a Marcus video. Will I be first to spot a mispronunciation?
"Psyche" is the word that I noticed was mispronounced.
Yep and we have: psych (psyche,) memorial (memorable,) Wong (Wang,) simulization (simulation.)
@@Aaron-Fife same. I barely stopped myself from yelling "there's an e at the end! That e is *not* silent, Marcus!"
Tuvix should be one, but it's also an episode I love to hate. I totally disagree with most of this video, if not all, still really enjoyed it. Thank you. 🖖
Threshold absolutely belongs at the top. But you forgot season 1, episode 2 Parallax. The absolute dumbest representation of a black hole in sci-fi, and there is steep competition.
Am I heard things?? 12:23 “…a fake Tom and Paris”. Having I thought Tom Paris was one character? How have I missed this all this time. JK - we all make mistakes.
Personaly i really like The Fight. There is such just something awesome and mysterious about the chaos space & watching them struggle to get out felt like a episode about the bermuda triangle. In generell i just like episodes like that with weird space anomalies.
I liked "Twisted" because it's a good exploration of the inter-character dynamics for the main cast
I liked "Spirit Folk" which is an enjoyable comedy episode. There are funnier episodes, sure, but this one was fun.
"Demon" is an odd episode, I'll admit, but it set up "Course: Oblivion", which was one of the darkest and most depressing episodes of the franchise.
Threshold: as they can reverse the metamorphosis, then why the ... not reverse the metamorphosis on the three mutated human babies? They are couple days old human babies, not merely wildlife to be let to die on an hostile planet.
Unforgettable and The Fight are my most disliked episodes of Voyager, but I don't ever remember hearing any bad words against Demon before, I think that's a good episode. I also enjoy Threshold a lot, although that's a 'so bad it's good' scenario.
12:22 "... watching a fake Tom and Paris..." I've never noticed this error before, and I've watched this probably half a dozen times
The fight, followed by any Kes centric episode from the first three seasons.
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My list for this is easy. The ten most Neelix-centric episodes ranked by how many minutes of screen time he had in the episode.
I agree with everything Marcus says about these particular episodes.
That other episode called Faces where the Vidiian doctor wears the guys face skin.....yup, that’s a doozy too. And did we ever work out if Klingon DNA was the trick they were looking for? No, no we didn’t. ❤
I think in the Think Tank episode in a later season that one guy says they came up with a cure for it.
@Watzetzface hehe, I wouldn't mind one myself. Voyager has always been one of my absolutely favourite shows, not just Star Trek but altogether 😁
They did indeed say they cured the phage in Think Tank, no word on if Klingon DNA was involved, but I suppose the TT could have borrowed a few samples .. somehow
@Watzetzface no, that person is right. They do say that in the think tank episode. However it's never mentioned that it was klingon dna. the people in the think tank are the ones that cured it.
Funny fact about Faces; Roxanne Dawson, who played B’Lanna, asked her mother what she thought of the episode. Her mother said that Roxanne was wonderful, but the actress who played the Klingon half ( when the Klingon and human dna were separated) was a better actress. Roxanne played both parts
Half of these are some of my most re-watched episodes lol But hey, different opinions make better conversations
before watching I'd like to say that my personal 3 worst voyager episodes are 1. Where chakotay is boxing. 2. Where Seven is fighting the Rock. 3. Any Naomi Wildman Holonovel episode
Sigh, no justice for Tuvix, even in the most hated episodes.
I think you memt Kim and Paris. But instead you said Tom and Paris when talking about how there aren't any clues that Kim and Paris are duplicates in the episode Demon.
Marcus!
Most of these were rehashed TNG episodes. Lol and they weren’t good the first time around.
As nice as Garrett is, he wasn’t a very good actor. But he wasn’t really given the chance to grow.
Id replace Demon with Innocence. While the plot might be a little rushed, it gave us Oblivion, aka one of the most heartbreaking episodes in Voyager, if not all of Trek. Innocence has Dad Tuvok corralling "children," who NOBODY (not even the "kids") until the last 3 minutes of the episode tells Voyager that they aren't really children, and this is their end of life cycle. it was like an angry neighbor screaming at you to get off their lawn, even though your ball is behind their fence, but they won't just cooperate and give you or let you get the ball because ,"it's my lawn!"
Star Trek did have it's share of bad episodes but my problem was the 4th season was Almost all about seven of nine and by the end of the series it seemed to be the Doctor,Seven of Nine and the Captain Jane way show.
The others didn't get much of a chance.
I thought I heard a rumor that the writers toyed with Harry Kim being really from the Delta Quadrant as depicted in Favorite Son in order to give the character a new trait.
They also were deciding at that time whether or not to kill off Kim......... Kes ultimately got the axe though...
Twisted and The Disease are actually two of my favorite guilty pleasures of the show.
Threshold was not only annoying by the fact the doctor could have reversed everyones "evolution" but Voyager didn't need to go all the way to warp 10, just go to warp 9.99999999etc before hitting warp 10 and they would have been back at earth for breakfast, that is if they didn't hit anything on the way.
I’m with you on Threshold- it’s utterly ridiculous but also weirdly watchable too. Especially after a beer or two.
Star Trek best enjoyed drunk - now there’s a subject for a video!
Was this an actual poll or just the episodes you didn't like?!?! As Twisted, Unforgettable, Demon, Threshold and Spirit Folk were great and some of my all time favourite episodes!! So not everyone hates them... These Top 10 videos are just getting worse and worse, can we just stop them now?!
4 ds9 episodes away from starting voyager in my first ever watch of all star trek in air date order. Looking forward to this series.
The best part of Favorite Son is that Howard Hamlin gets eaten during a mating ritual.
Anybody know where the lost episodes of voyager? There was one where Janeway started a war between borg & an insect type species so voyager can get away. I saw it on upn on TV.
Marcus presenting the list? Instant Up. Love Sean, but it's nice to hear some old friends.
I would actually take out Twisted for "Tsunkatse." That one where Jeri Ryan for some reason has amazing fighting skills and faces off against The Rock playing an alien version of The Rock... hyping that Wrestling and Star Trek were now on the same night. It did nothing to advance any story lines, and at the end it didn't matter, it was like it was a non-episode.
I agree with the rest of your comment, but I think it's reasonable to expect Seven to have good fighting skills. Remember, the Borg have assimilated billions of soldiers, mercenaries, and warriors over the centuries, which would give their drones knowledge of hundreds of different forms of hand-to-hand combat.
@@waltonsimons12 Assuming that she somehow has the entirety of the borg fighting database as part of the knowledge she held onto. Just because the borg knew something didn't mean an individual drone would know it, let alone one that had been separated for some time from the collective and it's database querying ability.
And we had not seen Seven as a fighter before this.
@@TwistTimHansel I doubt she has the whole Borg database in her, or even the whole Borg combat database. But I think it's likely that all drones keep a copy of useful information in their memories at all times. How to repair critical Borg equipment, how to pilot various classes of shuttles and starships, how to survive in hostile environments, how to navigate without star charts, and how to fight hand-to-hand when no advanced weaponry is available for some reason. That way, they can survive on their own even if disconnected from the collective.
Pretty solid list. All on my don’t-rewatch list except Twisted. LOL And Twisted does get a bit of a revival and explanation in the relaunch books eventually.
You know in the future they changed the name of Warp 9.975, Warp 9.9975, Warp 9.99975, Warp 9.999975 etc. to save time, right?
I hated the 2 about hand-to-hand fighting (the Chakotay one, and the Tsunkatsi one)
Sure, maybe Unforgettable and The Disease were stinkers, but Virginia Madsen and Musetta Vander made them completely worthwhile!
What, no Tuvix? Because, by golly, what would Jean-Luc say? Willingly murdering a sentient being in an uncertain experiment to maaaybe bring two victims of an accident back to life? For shame, Janeway. For shame.
Yes Picard would do even worst. He wanted to use Hugh as biological weapon against Borg. Also he was ok with Riker killing his Clone.
The Elogium being limited as it is means that the species is doomed to extinction is an issue I've brought up before myself, but I also have considered that the Ocampa are a species in decline due to the Caretaker treating them like helpless children, their mental powers and lifespan both are reduced considerably as a result, so presumably there were multiple opportunities for them to reproduce over the course of their usual lifespan. Granted, their lifespan decreasing as a result of their dependence on the Caretaker already makes little sense, but eh 'alien physiology' is the catch-all excuse for stuff like that.
I was never much of a fan of all of these episodes, though I'll mention that I just really don't like Kazon episodes as a rule, especially if Seska is involved. I'd probably add in some of those in exchange for a few on this list. For example, Rise is far from my favourite episode but I'll still take it over pretty much any Kazon episode.
The Kazon were basically just 'shittier versions of Klingons' (and Klingons are already not at the top of my list of Star Trek races).
12:22 "We're dealing with a fake Tom and Parris."