I actually quite enjoyed "Twisted" for its character moments, such as the one between Janeway and Kim in the Jefferies tube, and the sequel episode to "Demon", "Course: Oblivion" really goes into depth about the crew's realisation that they are clones. Plus it has one of the saddest endings to a Star Trek episode ever
Each time they get a data dump, you never hear about the data dump again. It's like they have this infinitely sized computer system that no one bothers to investigate. It would've been nice if they spent some time on the aliens that left the ship twisted, and got them some weird warp drive that caused the ship to be twisted again
@@FunkyMooch Actually, the data dumping might have really helped Voyager in the long run. They use a lot of the new acquired data (from various sources) in the Astrometrics Lab to plot and map a new course to home, knocking a few years from their journey. I do agree that they don't really reference it since many of the episodes are "self-contained," making it difficult to refer to past episodes.
Hey! Show some love for Rise. The ultimate hero of the episode is a geologist who discovered the alien plot. To be fair, I also jokingly consider "That Which Survives" the worst Original Series episode because they "red shirted" the geologist.
Ok, Rise & Demon are actually pretty good episodes! The former really builds the relationship between Tuvok & Neelix, reflecting the great friendship Ethan & Tim had off set. The latter was brilliantly directed and utilized most of the Voyager cast really well! It was an episode where Voyager desperately needed deuterium and had to shut down most of the ship, something people complained that the show did not do enough. Love Voyager, always have always will despite the lows.
I think Robert Beltran would be offended by this channel saying that "Unforgettable" is disliked on the list. He's stated that it's his favorite Voyager episode.
I liked Unforgettable apart from a bit of an unfulfilling ending. I thought the chemistry was good. I mean we're not talking 9 and a half weeks here: for Voyager it was acceptable. Just to add: a lot of Voyager and actually most sci fi, we have to suspend our disbelief, so it's only natural that some things feel unbelievable. Good to see Threshold at number one where it belongs.
Agreed. I thought "Unforgettable" was an enjoyable episode. I really liked the basic concept that there was a race of beings that could've interacted with dozens of times without ever knowing it.
I enjoyed "Rise" because it helped build the foil relationship between the open Neelix and stubborn Tuvok. Neelix's shutting down the tether and refusing to operate it despite Tuvok's order was him just saying "That's enough of your logic!" Tuvok had to learn a hard lesson of trusting intuition, which is completely contrary to his Vulcan logic. "The Disease" isn't a great episode, but it is the first time we see Ensign Harry Kim outside of his usual "by-the-book" Starfleet behavior. His refusal to follow Captain Janeway's order to report to sickbay for treatment, I feel, is one of Garrett Wang's best performances in the entire series.
Spirt Folk really good too. Logically they then should just reset if you ever lost all your progress in a game it does not feel right. Then how they talk about Holorights that happen often in voyager you know its a deeper issue with them.
@@129das I agree "Spirit Folk" is good, too. I found myself wondering if TC forgot that "Spirit Folk" was a sequel to "Fair Haven." Even if it weren't, the continuation of holographic character development with the Doctor, Paris' "Captain Proton" sub-plot, and the Fair Haven program show that holographic characters had the ability to act in a realistic manner, which includes a very human reaction to the supernatural and superstition of the Irish folk in the program.
@@129das Yeah, with Spirit Folk, even not having seen the episode and just going by this video's information, I can imagine the moral problem with just resetting it is that, if they're becoming self-aware, they're now people. It's not like the Doctor isn't proof on their own ship that the computer can operate holographic sentient life.
Agree "Rise" changed things between Tuvok & Neelix because in this episode they were forced to confront their relationship with each other & change because of it resulting the depth of that relationship growing as they now faced each other more equally.
I like the episode "the Disease". It's not the best but hardly the worst. I like the character development for Harry. He has a point, where if it was Tom that did it (before Be'lanna) Janeway would have reacted differently. I actually wish Tal was a recurring character. It would have been interesting to see Harry in a relationship, plus she could have added a differenet POV for the crew as she was raised in the Delta Quadrant.
Number 2 getting a sequel where the copies build a new voyager and travel the quadrant while slowly dying because they left their home sort of resolves that plot and is one of the best episodes of voyager.
I may be the odd man out but Twisted, Demon, and Threshold are actually some of my favorite episodes of Voyager. As for the other episodes on this list I'm indifferent to them I don't hate then butbi don't love them
I love Twisted, I've never understood why people find it boring. I've definitely never found it so. I also think Demon is good, and while Threshold is admittedly bad, I love watching it.
@@NovaNix4 Unforgettable and The Fight are the only two episodes that I actively dislike. There are a few others that I think are bit weak, but most of the rest I love. I really enjoy watching Threshold, it's just that the science is so bad it's laughable.
Let us not forget that in "The Fight", the doctor used a potato peeler to heal Chakotay's wounds, at 3:05, the most unusual of dermal regenerator props to date, given they're usually a pointy thing that emits a little tractor beam-like effect... :P
I heard in an SFDebris video that they used the whole budget on effects, then realised the episode ran short, so they filmed more Doctor and Beltran scenes.
Threshold: as they can reverse the metamorphosis, then why the ... not reverse the metamorphosis on the three mutated human babies? They are couple days old human babies, not merely wildlife to be let to die on an hostile planet.
I agree with most of this list although I think twisted and demon are actually decent episodes. Threshold is my guilty pleasure episode, yes it’s oh so ridiculous, not going to argue with anyone there, but I kinda love it anyway and you got to give it to Robert Duncan McNeill who did the absolute best he could with what he was given.
I'm going to have to give Demon a pass. While your points are well taken, that episode leads to what I consider one of the best episodes of Voyager. That being Course: Oblivion. While they probably had no idea they'd create the latter when writing the former it does make me retroactively appreciate Demon a bit more.
Hated by who? I love several of the episodes mentioned such as "Rise" or "Twisted". They may be a bit nonsensical and have large plot holes, but there's enough interesting stuff still.
13:54: Also what did they do with their "children", leave them stranded without parents? Put them down? Neither option seems very Starfleet but they didn't bring them with.
Seriously, I would have put Kess's return at #1. Just as a time travel story alone it makes absolutely no sense. And then at the end a message from herself turns her from murderous god-psychic to "oh gee! I remember I'm a good person now!" 🤬
Completely agree. My friend who'd seen all of Voyager before asked to skip this episode when we watched together because it was "horrible" in her words. Back then I thought she might be exaggerating. I watched it a year or two later and it went straight to the bottom of my personal worst episodes, what were they thinking?
Because that episode never happened. It was a very Freudian dream Tom Paris recorded in his dream diary that the computer accidentally ended up listing in the official log files because of all the crazy stuff Voyager went through on it's journey home. At least that's how I headcanon that episode (and some of the other oddities the show has).
Ship not compatibel. The shuttle had to be specially modified for it. They did a variant on it though (slipstream drive), which ended up Voyager crashlanding on an ice planet
@@1987tijgertje No, that was the quantum slipstream system that Voyager was incompatible with and ended up crashing when they tried to use it. That actually would have made a ton of sense if it had never been mentioned again, because (unlike the transwarp) they found it was incompatible in the first episode they learned about it.
@@ZoeyZoco I can't remember the name, the one where Tuvoc and Neelix get melded together after a teleport issue and make a new person. He begs to stay alive but Janeway and a bunch of security officer march him to the teleporter to undo the mishap and bring the two crewmen back.
Garret was so unhappy with the way he was treated but when you watch the series (I've watched it at least ten times) he is the person who has had the most adventures ! I never understood why he was never promoted.
Voyager is so underrated as a Star Trek series and it is not the black sheep of the franchise. Although I love it DS9 is the black sheep. It takes place on a space station, its considerably darker than other Star Trek. and has proper serialized stories.
Oi! Some of these are on my favourite Voyager episodes list! Rise may just be my all-time favourite!!! You've made a powerful enemy here today, TrekCulture... Ò_Ó
The Warp 13 in "All Good Things" is really the deviation. Warp 10 being infinite speed is in the TNG series story bible, from Roddenberry, from before the show even aired. On top of that, the rewritten TNG warp scale always implied this was the case, which is why progression from warp 1 to 8 is logarithmic and fairly quick and then once you're over warp 9, they start doing the whole "9.1... 9.2...9.3... etc." because by then each point is vastly faster than any increase previously. The Enterprise-D topping out at warp 9.6 is incredibly slow compared to Voyager at Warp 9.975 and just a tiny increase up to 9.985 is actually a huge jump in speed. "Threshold" is a funky episode, but the Warp 10 part isn't that far out of left field.
Not watched yet, but I must always get this out. THE issue with Voyager is that the powers that be wanted a "space monster of the week" episodic show like TOS but then the set up for the show was "federation ship gets lost on the other side of the galaxy with no support and no quick way home". With that set up Voyager should have been a decently serialized show where they were often referencing their resource and materiel status with many episodes covering how they've dealt with critical supply limitations. Trading to get local replacements for shuttlecraft. Setting up a dilithium refinery in a cargobay. Replacing their torpedo launchers (maybe just one?) with a local equivalent because they can't make more torps. etc. The fact that they couldn't just stop off at a starbase, rendezvous with a supply ship, or be equipped to be self sufficient should have been a central and continuing issue for the crew. Yes, some writers DID pay lip service to it, and there WERE significant episodes about it. However, they also blew up shuttles all the time and after the first few episodes they could torp all they wanted despite establishing that they only had a limited number, couldn't make more, and never established HOW they got more. Mind you, I quite enjoy Voyager. I like what they did. It's a good show. I just wish that they had quadrupled down on the supply issue. Okay, watch video now.
*Unforgettable, Rise, Twisted* don’t deserve to be on this list! They aren’t ground breaking by any means but are throughly enjoyable to watch! *Threshold* is actually quite an intriguing concept… BUT the ending of this episode, as we all know, is what kills it 😂🦎
I actually quite dig Threshold. I know it's silly and its consequences for the whole series and Trek lore in general remains completely ignored but heck I love me some silly SciFi
"In the Flesh" from season 5 is the worst for me as it completely ruins one of the best baddies in years. Species 8472 were previously shown to be completely impossible to negotiate with. also really calls into question the decision of Janeway to help the Borg destroy them in the Scorpion two parter.
Voyager was really good at taking a previously used plot and reusing it in a new and interesting way, The Fight however was not such a time as it was a pretty naked rip off of TNG Night Terrors. I also think that one with the Hirogen forcing the crew to live a WW2 fantasy was pretty gash too.
"Making everything that happened feel pointless" could be the tagline for Voyager. The point of the show is they're supposed to be stranded with no access to any help yet no matter what happens to the ship it's back to normal by the start of the next episode.
Interesting. I don’t agree that “Demon” or “Twisted” should be in the list, but the other 8 choices I fully understand. I nominate “Sacred Ground” and “Persistence of Vision” to the list.
Great observations. Voyager ranks up with TNG and Enterprise for me. I personally like Twisted, Disease, Spirit Folk (and Fairhaven) and Demon -- likely for certain moments in each story, though I also liked the stories. But you make very good points about each episode in the list. Like most Trek series, they aren't seamless for sure. Thanks!
I've been watching Voyager on H&I recently, and I wish there were were more "unknown phenomenon" episodes like Twisted. Twisted might owe its idea to a sci-fi novel by Fred Hoyle called October The First Is Too Late. In it, various parts of the earth revert to certain moments in time, and we can see different time periods interact with each other.
What I hated most about Spirit Folk was how the assertion that they're not alive outright contradicted much of what had previously been said about the holodeck, chief among them by Voyager itself with The Doctor. "No, they're not people, except when they are."
The main problem with all of these is the "episodic nature" of the show back in the day. Creating a mandatory 26 episodes per season (Writers' Strikes and shortened seasons aside) meant that even the flimsiest of plots would be greenlit as a filler till the big ones could be made. J. Michael Stracynski had the right idea way back with Babylon 5 of self-contained episodes AND still being part of a larger narrative coupled with great character development. And now they're focusing on shorter seasons so stories can be tighter with less mediocre stories taking up space (no pun intended).
And it's not like they didn't have experience with making solo stories that fit into the overall narrative arc, either: Deep Space Nine was still wrapping up its final seasons as Voyager was first airing.
Threshold definitely 100% crosses the line into "so dumb it's hilarious", but agreed on the list, love Voyager to bits but man, there are definitely some episodes I usually skip over on repeats 😆
I agree with everything Marcus says about these particular episodes. That other episode called Faces where the Vidiian doctor wears the guys face skin.....yup, that’s a doozy too. And did we ever work out if Klingon DNA was the trick they were looking for? No, no we didn’t. ❤
They did indeed say they cured the phage in Think Tank, no word on if Klingon DNA was involved, but I suppose the TT could have borrowed a few samples .. somehow
@Watzetzface no, that person is right. They do say that in the think tank episode. However it's never mentioned that it was klingon dna. the people in the think tank are the ones that cured it.
Funny fact about Faces; Roxanne Dawson, who played B’Lanna, asked her mother what she thought of the episode. Her mother said that Roxanne was wonderful, but the actress who played the Klingon half ( when the Klingon and human dna were separated) was a better actress. Roxanne played both parts
I liked "Twisted" because it's a good exploration of the inter-character dynamics for the main cast I liked "Spirit Folk" which is an enjoyable comedy episode. There are funnier episodes, sure, but this one was fun. "Demon" is an odd episode, I'll admit, but it set up "Course: Oblivion", which was one of the darkest and most depressing episodes of the franchise.
What annoyed me the most about Voyager, was the lack of times that the ship was able to land on a terrestrial surface even though it was fully capable. I also find it interesting that some series have been ongoing long enough that that the audience becomes invested. The crew ages throughout as the series progresses. It would have been nice had it been done with Voyager rather than be rushed during the final two seasons.
Id replace Demon with Innocence. While the plot might be a little rushed, it gave us Oblivion, aka one of the most heartbreaking episodes in Voyager, if not all of Trek. Innocence has Dad Tuvok corralling "children," who NOBODY (not even the "kids") until the last 3 minutes of the episode tells Voyager that they aren't really children, and this is their end of life cycle. it was like an angry neighbor screaming at you to get off their lawn, even though your ball is behind their fence, but they won't just cooperate and give you or let you get the ball because ,"it's my lawn!"
Unforgettable and The Fight are my most disliked episodes of Voyager, but I don't ever remember hearing any bad words against Demon before, I think that's a good episode. I also enjoy Threshold a lot, although that's a 'so bad it's good' scenario.
The Warp Scale is often changed. Given the rapid advancement of technologies, I believe that in the future episode of TNG, speeds previously referred to as "transwarp" became the new standard, and a new scale implemented. One thing that bugs me about the continuity of it all is that... Enterprise takes place over 100 years before TOS... but it uses the "new" warp scale from TNG instead of the warp scale humanity would have been using (the one from TOS.)
Honestly, I can't see humanity changing its warp scale so frequently. Given how hard it's been to convince some countries to switch to metric, I can't see them adjusting a scale like that to be even more confusing by using the same units.
Every episode of Voyager is equally hated. I tried to like Voyager. I tried. I watched every damn episode. I just could not like voyager. I hate this fucking show. Janeway was a fucking psychopath.
Tuvix should be one, but it's also an episode I love to hate. I totally disagree with most of this video, if not all, still really enjoyed it. Thank you. 🖖
Great video, but lest not forget that there is already a president set for possibly sentient holograms in the Star Trek universe. Are we forgetting the two very intriguing Star Trek TNG Episodes: "Elementary, Dear Data" and "Ship in a Bottle" with the Illustrious Professor Moriarty played excellently by Daniel Davis? Picard and Lt. Barclay had placed him into a Holocube letting him think he was in the real universe.
The Fight and Twisted are two of my most favourite episodes 😆 I don't necessarily HATE Threshold but even now as an adult Tom's look scares the living shit out of me when he slowly tunrs into that lizard thing. It's so creepy!!
New list: 10 ways Voyager could have got home early, If not for the stupid writing. Off the top of my head. 1. Threshold (as stated) 2. Vis a vis (folding space shuttle still in voyagers shuttle bay) 3. False profits. (Use the worm hole) 4. Eye of a needle. (Trust romulans and stasis pods). 5. Conspiracy Theory. (Stay a little longer and Improve the distance of the catapult). I'm sure there is more.
I’m with you on Threshold- it’s utterly ridiculous but also weirdly watchable too. Especially after a beer or two. Star Trek best enjoyed drunk - now there’s a subject for a video!
Threshold absolutely belongs at the top. But you forgot season 1, episode 2 Parallax. The absolute dumbest representation of a black hole in sci-fi, and there is steep competition.
Star Trek did have it's share of bad episodes but my problem was the 4th season was Almost all about seven of nine and by the end of the series it seemed to be the Doctor,Seven of Nine and the Captain Jane way show. The others didn't get much of a chance.
Threshold was clearly Q's petty response to Janeway's rejection in Q and the Gray (particularly where she says she'd like to have children, just not with him.) Of couse, he had to travel back in time to do it, or she'd have recognized it immediately.
Personaly i really like The Fight. There is such just something awesome and mysterious about the chaos space & watching them struggle to get out felt like a episode about the bermuda triangle. In generell i just like episodes like that with weird space anomalies.
before watching I'd like to say that my personal 3 worst voyager episodes are 1. Where chakotay is boxing. 2. Where Seven is fighting the Rock. 3. Any Naomi Wildman Holonovel episode
Voyager was just hot garbage in general. Lazy writing, horrendous pacing, so much flat acting, plot holes big enough to fly the ship through, an excessive over-reliance on time travel, a majority of plots that were built on the concept of seeing which main crew member could hold the Idiot Ball the longest, and a total lack of lasting consequences for the one Trek series that should have been built on a foundation of lasting consequences. The only reason I finished the series is because I forced myself to get through it.
I hated "Tuvix" because it was obvious that the writers didn't know how to resolve the issue that they were tackling. It was like, "Tuvix, you make some great points. Everybody likes you better than Tuvok or Neelix separately; you have improved morale, food, and efficiency; and you made an impassioned speech about wanting to live. But we need our status quo, so prepare to be executed." "Fair Trade" looks pretty bad, too, when you realize that Janeway kicks Neelix out of sick bay five minutes after he wakes up from a coma.
I loved Spirit Folk, it was a great break from the normal episodes. I also thought Rise was an enjoyable Nelix episode. You could tell how much he cared about Tuvok's opinion of him.
The Elogium being limited as it is means that the species is doomed to extinction is an issue I've brought up before myself, but I also have considered that the Ocampa are a species in decline due to the Caretaker treating them like helpless children, their mental powers and lifespan both are reduced considerably as a result, so presumably there were multiple opportunities for them to reproduce over the course of their usual lifespan. Granted, their lifespan decreasing as a result of their dependence on the Caretaker already makes little sense, but eh 'alien physiology' is the catch-all excuse for stuff like that. I was never much of a fan of all of these episodes, though I'll mention that I just really don't like Kazon episodes as a rule, especially if Seska is involved. I'd probably add in some of those in exchange for a few on this list. For example, Rise is far from my favourite episode but I'll still take it over pretty much any Kazon episode. The Kazon were basically just 'shittier versions of Klingons' (and Klingons are already not at the top of my list of Star Trek races).
Was this an actual poll or just the episodes you didn't like?!?! As Twisted, Unforgettable, Demon, Threshold and Spirit Folk were great and some of my all time favourite episodes!! So not everyone hates them... These Top 10 videos are just getting worse and worse, can we just stop them now?!
Marcus! Most of these were rehashed TNG episodes. Lol and they weren’t good the first time around. As nice as Garrett is, he wasn’t a very good actor. But he wasn’t really given the chance to grow.
We all knew Threshold would be #1, but Tuvix should have been 2. And personally, I hated the episode where the Doctor had an extremely unbelievable "family".
I strongly object #2. Great episode with an actual payoff in a later episode, which features one of the most depressing and dark events of any Trek.
Absolutely agree. The second part of that story is so messed up, it's worth it alone.
I actually quite enjoyed "Twisted" for its character moments, such as the one between Janeway and Kim in the Jefferies tube, and the sequel episode to "Demon", "Course: Oblivion" really goes into depth about the crew's realisation that they are clones. Plus it has one of the saddest endings to a Star Trek episode ever
There are some stinker Voyager episodes but I actually like "Twisted." It was fun, had some tension, and had a little bit of humor to it.
Each time they get a data dump, you never hear about the data dump again. It's like they have this infinitely sized computer system that no one bothers to investigate.
It would've been nice if they spent some time on the aliens that left the ship twisted, and got them some weird warp drive that caused the ship to be twisted again
@@FunkyMooch Actually, the data dumping might have really helped Voyager in the long run. They use a lot of the new acquired data (from various sources) in the Astrometrics Lab to plot and map a new course to home, knocking a few years from their journey. I do agree that they don't really reference it since many of the episodes are "self-contained," making it difficult to refer to past episodes.
One of my favourite episodes but it's def got it's flaws for sure
Hey! Show some love for Rise. The ultimate hero of the episode is a geologist who discovered the alien plot. To be fair, I also jokingly consider "That Which Survives" the worst Original Series episode because they "red shirted" the geologist.
Came here to say this. Rise wasn’t bad.
I really liked Rise
Yea, i liked the interaction and character growth for both tuvok and neelix. The plot was entertaining as well.
I liked rise
I've never understood the hate towards Rise, it's a really good character development episode.
Ok, Rise & Demon are actually pretty good episodes! The former really builds the relationship between Tuvok & Neelix, reflecting the great friendship Ethan & Tim had off set. The latter was brilliantly directed and utilized most of the Voyager cast really well! It was an episode where Voyager desperately needed deuterium and had to shut down most of the ship, something people complained that the show did not do enough. Love Voyager, always have always will despite the lows.
On the other hand, they were running out of Deuterium...which is an isotope of Hydrogen, the single most-common element in the universe.
I think Robert Beltran would be offended by this channel saying that "Unforgettable" is disliked on the list. He's stated that it's his favorite Voyager episode.
I liked Unforgettable apart from a bit of an unfulfilling ending. I thought the chemistry was good. I mean we're not talking 9 and a half weeks here: for Voyager it was acceptable. Just to add: a lot of Voyager and actually most sci fi, we have to suspend our disbelief, so it's only natural that some things feel unbelievable. Good to see Threshold at number one where it belongs.
Agreed. I thought "Unforgettable" was an enjoyable episode. I really liked the basic concept that there was a race of beings that could've interacted with dozens of times without ever knowing it.
I enjoyed "Rise" because it helped build the foil relationship between the open Neelix and stubborn Tuvok. Neelix's shutting down the tether and refusing to operate it despite Tuvok's order was him just saying "That's enough of your logic!" Tuvok had to learn a hard lesson of trusting intuition, which is completely contrary to his Vulcan logic.
"The Disease" isn't a great episode, but it is the first time we see Ensign Harry Kim outside of his usual "by-the-book" Starfleet behavior. His refusal to follow Captain Janeway's order to report to sickbay for treatment, I feel, is one of Garrett Wang's best performances in the entire series.
Spirt Folk really good too. Logically they then should just reset if you ever lost all your progress in a game it does not feel right. Then how they talk about Holorights that happen often in voyager you know its a deeper issue with them.
@@129das I agree "Spirit Folk" is good, too. I found myself wondering if TC forgot that "Spirit Folk" was a sequel to "Fair Haven." Even if it weren't, the continuation of holographic character development with the Doctor, Paris' "Captain Proton" sub-plot, and the Fair Haven program show that holographic characters had the ability to act in a realistic manner, which includes a very human reaction to the supernatural and superstition of the Irish folk in the program.
@@129das Yeah, with Spirit Folk, even not having seen the episode and just going by this video's information, I can imagine the moral problem with just resetting it is that, if they're becoming self-aware, they're now people. It's not like the Doctor isn't proof on their own ship that the computer can operate holographic sentient life.
Agree "Rise" changed things between Tuvok & Neelix because in this episode they were forced to confront their relationship with each other & change because of it resulting the depth of that relationship growing as they now faced each other more equally.
@@TheFalconerNZ You'd think "Tuvix" - which I'm kind-of surprised didn't make this list - would have done something like that.
I like the episode "the Disease". It's not the best but hardly the worst. I like the character development for Harry. He has a point, where if it was Tom that did it (before Be'lanna) Janeway would have reacted differently. I actually wish Tal was a recurring character. It would have been interesting to see Harry in a relationship, plus she could have added a differenet POV for the crew as she was raised in the Delta Quadrant.
Twisted is one of my favorite. Gave lots of character development I think
One of the best.
Number 2 getting a sequel where the copies build a new voyager and travel the quadrant while slowly dying because they left their home sort of resolves that plot and is one of the best episodes of voyager.
I may be the odd man out but Twisted, Demon, and Threshold are actually some of my favorite episodes of Voyager. As for the other episodes on this list I'm indifferent to them I don't hate then butbi don't love them
Twisted has always been one of my absolute favourites 😁
I can't explain threshold tho I mean how is going past warp 10 going to evolve you into a lizard thing,also if they can go anywhere why not go home
I love Twisted, I've never understood why people find it boring. I've definitely never found it so. I also think Demon is good, and while Threshold is admittedly bad, I love watching it.
@@NovaNix4 Unforgettable and The Fight are the only two episodes that I actively dislike. There are a few others that I think are bit weak, but most of the rest I love. I really enjoy watching Threshold, it's just that the science is so bad it's laughable.
@@NovaNix4 Yeah, they had no chemistry at all.
Let us not forget that in "The Fight", the doctor used a potato peeler to heal Chakotay's wounds, at 3:05, the most unusual of dermal regenerator props to date, given they're usually a pointy thing that emits a little tractor beam-like effect... :P
I heard in an SFDebris video that they used the whole budget on effects, then realised the episode ran short, so they filmed more Doctor and Beltran scenes.
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I agreed with all save one; [Rise].
I enjoyed [Rise], with Nelix in a leadership role, and Tuvok having to trust Nelix's ability to lead.
At least Demon had a great follow-up with Course: Oblivion.
Yeah, that always bothered me about "Elogium". Like you say, just going by their own dialogue, the Ocampans would never survive, "Caretaker" or not.
Enduring body horror for the sake of travel could have been a clever metaphor for the TSA.
Threshold: as they can reverse the metamorphosis, then why the ... not reverse the metamorphosis on the three mutated human babies? They are couple days old human babies, not merely wildlife to be let to die on an hostile planet.
I agree with most of this list although I think twisted and demon are actually decent episodes. Threshold is my guilty pleasure episode, yes it’s oh so ridiculous, not going to argue with anyone there, but I kinda love it anyway and you got to give it to Robert Duncan McNeill who did the absolute best he could with what he was given.
I'm going to have to give Demon a pass. While your points are well taken, that episode leads to what I consider one of the best episodes of Voyager. That being Course: Oblivion. While they probably had no idea they'd create the latter when writing the former it does make me retroactively appreciate Demon a bit more.
Honorable mention: Tuvix
I don't have to say anything about it.
Oh yes. Don't even have to contemplate that one 😂
I liked Unforgettable and The Disease, and if it werent for the existence of Demon, we would not have one of my top 10 episodes, Course: Oblivion.
Hated by who? I love several of the episodes mentioned such as "Rise" or "Twisted". They may be a bit nonsensical and have large plot holes, but there's enough interesting stuff still.
*EXACTLY* idk who they talked to or how they came up with this list… but *HALF* of the episodes mentioned are pretty decent!
Indeed. That's the issue with lists such as these. It is literally ONE person's opinion just worded in such a way that it sounds like mass consensus 😂
13:54: Also what did they do with their "children", leave them stranded without parents? Put them down? Neither option seems very Starfleet but they didn't bring them with.
Seriously, I would have put Kess's return at #1. Just as a time travel story alone it makes absolutely no sense. And then at the end a message from herself turns her from murderous god-psychic to "oh gee! I remember I'm a good person now!" 🤬
Completely agree. My friend who'd seen all of Voyager before asked to skip this episode when we watched together because it was "horrible" in her words. Back then I thought she might be exaggerating. I watched it a year or two later and it went straight to the bottom of my personal worst episodes, what were they thinking?
You just blew my mind! Why didn’t they just use the warp 10 technology, then have the dr reverse the effects when they get to earth.
Because that episode never happened. It was a very Freudian dream Tom Paris recorded in his dream diary that the computer accidentally ended up listing in the official log files because of all the crazy stuff Voyager went through on it's journey home. At least that's how I headcanon that episode (and some of the other oddities the show has).
@@donkyhotay4583 yeeees!
Ship not compatibel. The shuttle had to be specially modified for it. They did a variant on it though (slipstream drive), which ended up Voyager crashlanding on an ice planet
@@1987tijgertje No, that was the quantum slipstream system that Voyager was incompatible with and ended up crashing when they tried to use it. That actually would have made a ton of sense if it had never been mentioned again, because (unlike the transwarp) they found it was incompatible in the first episode they learned about it.
I‘m glad Treshold is number one. There was never a worse Voyager episode!
Janeway essentially marching an innocent man to his death was a pretty morbid episode.
Which episode is this?
@@ZoeyZoco I can't remember the name, the one where Tuvoc and Neelix get melded together after a teleport issue and make a new person. He begs to stay alive but Janeway and a bunch of security officer march him to the teleporter to undo the mishap and bring the two crewmen back.
@@ZoeyZoco Tuvix
I think one of the strangest things about voyager is that neelix is one of the worst characters… but has most of the best character focused episodes.
Slander. Neelix is bae.
Nah… *Seven* definitely has the best! Followed by *The Doctor* and even *BE’lanna!*
Neelix is a character that while I ultimately like him by the end of the show, it was a massive uphill slog to get to that point.
@@KhaosAdmiral All while fighting the writers' room the entire way...
Garret was so unhappy with the way he was treated but when you watch the series (I've watched it at least ten times) he is the person who has had the most adventures ! I never understood why he was never promoted.
You would Think that when Tom Paris was demoted would have left a slot on the bridge crew for Harry to be promoted. But I guess not? SMH.
Someone promised his mum that she could be there for his first promotion?
That's how little sense that made.
Tom AND Paris?
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Voyager is so underrated as a Star Trek series and it is not the black sheep of the franchise. Although I love it DS9 is the black sheep. It takes place on a space station, its considerably darker than other Star Trek. and has proper serialized stories.
Oi! Some of these are on my favourite Voyager episodes list!
Rise may just be my all-time favourite!!!
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The Warp 13 in "All Good Things" is really the deviation. Warp 10 being infinite speed is in the TNG series story bible, from Roddenberry, from before the show even aired. On top of that, the rewritten TNG warp scale always implied this was the case, which is why progression from warp 1 to 8 is logarithmic and fairly quick and then once you're over warp 9, they start doing the whole "9.1... 9.2...9.3... etc." because by then each point is vastly faster than any increase previously. The Enterprise-D topping out at warp 9.6 is incredibly slow compared to Voyager at Warp 9.975 and just a tiny increase up to 9.985 is actually a huge jump in speed. "Threshold" is a funky episode, but the Warp 10 part isn't that far out of left field.
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Not watched yet, but I must always get this out. THE issue with Voyager is that the powers that be wanted a "space monster of the week" episodic show like TOS but then the set up for the show was "federation ship gets lost on the other side of the galaxy with no support and no quick way home".
With that set up Voyager should have been a decently serialized show where they were often referencing their resource and materiel status with many episodes covering how they've dealt with critical supply limitations. Trading to get local replacements for shuttlecraft. Setting up a dilithium refinery in a cargobay. Replacing their torpedo launchers (maybe just one?) with a local equivalent because they can't make more torps. etc. The fact that they couldn't just stop off at a starbase, rendezvous with a supply ship, or be equipped to be self sufficient should have been a central and continuing issue for the crew.
Yes, some writers DID pay lip service to it, and there WERE significant episodes about it. However, they also blew up shuttles all the time and after the first few episodes they could torp all they wanted despite establishing that they only had a limited number, couldn't make more, and never established HOW they got more.
Mind you, I quite enjoy Voyager. I like what they did. It's a good show. I just wish that they had quadrupled down on the supply issue.
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*Unforgettable, Rise, Twisted* don’t deserve to be on this list! They aren’t ground breaking by any means but are throughly enjoyable to watch!
*Threshold* is actually quite an intriguing concept… BUT the ending of this episode, as we all know, is what kills it 😂🦎
I actually quite dig Threshold. I know it's silly and its consequences for the whole series and Trek lore in general remains completely ignored but heck I love me some silly SciFi
I can understand the criticism for all of these episodes but I guess I really am a Voyager fanboy because I still love all of these lol
"In the Flesh" from season 5 is the worst for me as it completely ruins one of the best baddies in years. Species 8472 were previously shown to be completely impossible to negotiate with. also really calls into question the decision of Janeway to help the Borg destroy them in the Scorpion two parter.
Voyager was really good at taking a previously used plot and reusing it in a new and interesting way, The Fight however was not such a time as it was a pretty naked rip off of TNG Night Terrors. I also think that one with the Hirogen forcing the crew to live a WW2 fantasy was pretty gash too.
"Making everything that happened feel pointless" could be the tagline for Voyager. The point of the show is they're supposed to be stranded with no access to any help yet no matter what happens to the ship it's back to normal by the start of the next episode.
Can you imagine Voyager not having a crippling addiction to the Reset Button? How awesome would that show be?
Interesting. I don’t agree that “Demon” or “Twisted” should be in the list, but the other 8 choices I fully understand.
I nominate “Sacred Ground” and “Persistence of Vision” to the list.
But... many Bothans died to bring us the latter.
Great observations. Voyager ranks up with TNG and Enterprise for me. I personally like Twisted, Disease, Spirit Folk (and Fairhaven) and Demon -- likely for certain moments in each story, though I also liked the stories. But you make very good points about each episode in the list. Like most Trek series, they aren't seamless for sure. Thanks!
I've been watching Voyager on H&I recently, and I wish there were were more "unknown phenomenon" episodes like Twisted.
Twisted might owe its idea to a sci-fi novel by Fred Hoyle called October The First Is Too Late. In it, various parts of the earth revert to certain moments in time, and we can see different time periods interact with each other.
Yeah, mating with your Captain after abducting her & becoming mutant reptiles does break all the regulations in anyone's book🤯😂
What I hated most about Spirit Folk was how the assertion that they're not alive outright contradicted much of what had previously been said about the holodeck, chief among them by Voyager itself with The Doctor. "No, they're not people, except when they are."
The main problem with all of these is the "episodic nature" of the show back in the day. Creating a mandatory 26 episodes per season (Writers' Strikes and shortened seasons aside) meant that even the flimsiest of plots would be greenlit as a filler till the big ones could be made.
J. Michael Stracynski had the right idea way back with Babylon 5 of self-contained episodes AND still being part of a larger narrative coupled with great character development. And now they're focusing on shorter seasons so stories can be tighter with less mediocre stories taking up space (no pun intended).
And it's not like they didn't have experience with making solo stories that fit into the overall narrative arc, either: Deep Space Nine was still wrapping up its final seasons as Voyager was first airing.
Threshold definitely 100% crosses the line into "so dumb it's hilarious", but agreed on the list, love Voyager to bits but man, there are definitely some episodes I usually skip over on repeats 😆
Twisted is a masterpiece, don't @ me.
I agree with everything Marcus says about these particular episodes.
That other episode called Faces where the Vidiian doctor wears the guys face skin.....yup, that’s a doozy too. And did we ever work out if Klingon DNA was the trick they were looking for? No, no we didn’t. ❤
I think in the Think Tank episode in a later season that one guy says they came up with a cure for it.
@Watzetzface hehe, I wouldn't mind one myself. Voyager has always been one of my absolutely favourite shows, not just Star Trek but altogether 😁
They did indeed say they cured the phage in Think Tank, no word on if Klingon DNA was involved, but I suppose the TT could have borrowed a few samples .. somehow
@Watzetzface no, that person is right. They do say that in the think tank episode. However it's never mentioned that it was klingon dna. the people in the think tank are the ones that cured it.
Funny fact about Faces; Roxanne Dawson, who played B’Lanna, asked her mother what she thought of the episode. Her mother said that Roxanne was wonderful, but the actress who played the Klingon half ( when the Klingon and human dna were separated) was a better actress. Roxanne played both parts
Alternative title: What is the worst episode of Voyager and why is it "Threshold?"
Marcus, I'm sorry you got the short straw and had do this episode.. on the plus side we (the internet) got to hear your wonderful voice again. :)
_Threshold_ is number one on this list?! I didn't see that one coming all the way from the Alpha Quadrant. 🤭
Voyager had too many holodeck episodes. Also didn't care much for the personal interactions and singing that was basically all episodes.
I liked "Twisted" because it's a good exploration of the inter-character dynamics for the main cast
I liked "Spirit Folk" which is an enjoyable comedy episode. There are funnier episodes, sure, but this one was fun.
"Demon" is an odd episode, I'll admit, but it set up "Course: Oblivion", which was one of the darkest and most depressing episodes of the franchise.
Great video thank you so much please keep up your amazing work space safe and leave long and prosper🖖🏻
What annoyed me the most about Voyager, was the lack of times that the ship was able to land on a terrestrial surface even though it was fully capable.
I also find it interesting that some series have been ongoing long enough that that the audience becomes invested. The crew ages throughout as the series progresses. It would have been nice had it been done with Voyager rather than be rushed during the final two seasons.
Voyager is my favorite Star Trek after TOS. 10 bad episodes, let alone hated episodes, do not exist
Id replace Demon with Innocence. While the plot might be a little rushed, it gave us Oblivion, aka one of the most heartbreaking episodes in Voyager, if not all of Trek. Innocence has Dad Tuvok corralling "children," who NOBODY (not even the "kids") until the last 3 minutes of the episode tells Voyager that they aren't really children, and this is their end of life cycle. it was like an angry neighbor screaming at you to get off their lawn, even though your ball is behind their fence, but they won't just cooperate and give you or let you get the ball because ,"it's my lawn!"
Unforgettable and The Fight are my most disliked episodes of Voyager, but I don't ever remember hearing any bad words against Demon before, I think that's a good episode. I also enjoy Threshold a lot, although that's a 'so bad it's good' scenario.
_Voyager_ featured some of the worst _Trek_ episodes ever made but - more often than not - it also featured many of the best.
There's a great video elsewhere on RUclips that reworks "Threshold" and turns it into a Filmation-style Star Trek TAS episode.
The Warp Scale is often changed. Given the rapid advancement of technologies, I believe that in the future episode of TNG, speeds previously referred to as "transwarp" became the new standard, and a new scale implemented.
One thing that bugs me about the continuity of it all is that... Enterprise takes place over 100 years before TOS... but it uses the "new" warp scale from TNG instead of the warp scale humanity would have been using (the one from TOS.)
Honestly, I can't see humanity changing its warp scale so frequently. Given how hard it's been to convince some countries to switch to metric, I can't see them adjusting a scale like that to be even more confusing by using the same units.
@@AustynSN Still the education systems in those counties does not rank as high as Star Trek era schools...
Every episode of Voyager is equally hated. I tried to like Voyager. I tried. I watched every damn episode. I just could not like voyager. I hate this fucking show. Janeway was a fucking psychopath.
Tuvix should be one, but it's also an episode I love to hate. I totally disagree with most of this video, if not all, still really enjoyed it. Thank you. 🖖
Great video, but lest not forget that there is already a president set for possibly sentient holograms in the Star Trek universe. Are we forgetting the two very intriguing Star Trek TNG Episodes: "Elementary, Dear Data" and "Ship in a Bottle" with the Illustrious Professor Moriarty played excellently by Daniel Davis? Picard and Lt. Barclay had placed him into a Holocube letting him think he was in the real universe.
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The Fight and Twisted are two of my most favourite episodes 😆 I don't necessarily HATE Threshold but even now as an adult Tom's look scares the living shit out of me when he slowly tunrs into that lizard thing. It's so creepy!!
New list: 10 ways Voyager could have got home early, If not for the stupid writing.
Off the top of my head.
1. Threshold (as stated)
2. Vis a vis (folding space shuttle still in voyagers shuttle bay)
3. False profits. (Use the worm hole)
4. Eye of a needle. (Trust romulans and stasis pods).
5. Conspiracy Theory. (Stay a little longer and Improve the distance of the catapult).
I'm sure there is more.
The fight, followed by any Kes centric episode from the first three seasons.
I’m with you on Threshold- it’s utterly ridiculous but also weirdly watchable too. Especially after a beer or two.
Star Trek best enjoyed drunk - now there’s a subject for a video!
Threshold absolutely belongs at the top. But you forgot season 1, episode 2 Parallax. The absolute dumbest representation of a black hole in sci-fi, and there is steep competition.
My list for this is easy. The ten most Neelix-centric episodes ranked by how many minutes of screen time he had in the episode.
Star Trek did have it's share of bad episodes but my problem was the 4th season was Almost all about seven of nine and by the end of the series it seemed to be the Doctor,Seven of Nine and the Captain Jane way show.
The others didn't get much of a chance.
I am surprised that "The Q and the Grey" isn't on this list. What a mind numbingly bad episode!!! It's certainly far worse than "Demon" or "Rise".
Fury should have been on this list. There was absolutely no reason for Kes to have been so angry. It was such an insult to her character.
Threshold was clearly Q's petty response to Janeway's rejection in Q and the Gray (particularly where she says she'd like to have children, just not with him.) Of couse, he had to travel back in time to do it, or she'd have recognized it immediately.
Hate to say it, but with a few exceptions like 'Scorpion', every Voyager is bad.
Personaly i really like The Fight. There is such just something awesome and mysterious about the chaos space & watching them struggle to get out felt like a episode about the bermuda triangle. In generell i just like episodes like that with weird space anomalies.
Twisted and The Disease are actually two of my favorite guilty pleasures of the show.
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Tuvix is one I could do without... it should have made this list
before watching I'd like to say that my personal 3 worst voyager episodes are 1. Where chakotay is boxing. 2. Where Seven is fighting the Rock. 3. Any Naomi Wildman Holonovel episode
I probably would've picked "Tattoo" over something like "Rise".
EXACTLY!!!
Voyager was just hot garbage in general.
Lazy writing, horrendous pacing, so much flat acting, plot holes big enough to fly the ship through, an excessive over-reliance on time travel, a majority of plots that were built on the concept of seeing which main crew member could hold the Idiot Ball the longest, and a total lack of lasting consequences for the one Trek series that should have been built on a foundation of lasting consequences.
The only reason I finished the series is because I forced myself to get through it.
I hated "Tuvix" because it was obvious that the writers didn't know how to resolve the issue that they were tackling. It was like, "Tuvix, you make some great points. Everybody likes you better than Tuvok or Neelix separately; you have improved morale, food, and efficiency; and you made an impassioned speech about wanting to live. But we need our status quo, so prepare to be executed."
"Fair Trade" looks pretty bad, too, when you realize that Janeway kicks Neelix out of sick bay five minutes after he wakes up from a coma.
I loved Spirit Folk, it was a great break from the normal episodes. I also thought Rise was an enjoyable Nelix episode. You could tell how much he cared about Tuvok's opinion of him.
That was brilliant!! Please do more.... PLEEEEEEASE!!! 🙏🏾
That rock Chakotay is holding at 3:28 looks a lot like the Roswell Rock Robert Ridge found that had what he thinks is alien writings on it.
1:55 Where does one find this uniform? It looks amazing I would love to get my hands on one
Marcus presenting the list? Instant Up. Love Sean, but it's nice to hear some old friends.
The vast majority of the series episodes were terrible and lackluster. The delta quadrant lacked any sense of wonder or terror.
Threshold was always going to be no.1 here.
Unforgettable is one of my favourite episodes.
The other mentioned... I don't remember them!! 😂
WHAT A TV SHOW.JUST THE MOST FANTASTIC JOURNEY OF ALL.WE'RE STUCK IN ONE BEDSIT,ONE TOWN,ON THE BREADLINE,ALL OUR LIVES!
The Elogium being limited as it is means that the species is doomed to extinction is an issue I've brought up before myself, but I also have considered that the Ocampa are a species in decline due to the Caretaker treating them like helpless children, their mental powers and lifespan both are reduced considerably as a result, so presumably there were multiple opportunities for them to reproduce over the course of their usual lifespan. Granted, their lifespan decreasing as a result of their dependence on the Caretaker already makes little sense, but eh 'alien physiology' is the catch-all excuse for stuff like that.
I was never much of a fan of all of these episodes, though I'll mention that I just really don't like Kazon episodes as a rule, especially if Seska is involved. I'd probably add in some of those in exchange for a few on this list. For example, Rise is far from my favourite episode but I'll still take it over pretty much any Kazon episode.
The Kazon were basically just 'shittier versions of Klingons' (and Klingons are already not at the top of my list of Star Trek races).
12:22 "... watching a fake Tom and Paris..." I've never noticed this error before, and I've watched this probably half a dozen times
Was this an actual poll or just the episodes you didn't like?!?! As Twisted, Unforgettable, Demon, Threshold and Spirit Folk were great and some of my all time favourite episodes!! So not everyone hates them... These Top 10 videos are just getting worse and worse, can we just stop them now?!
Marcus!
Most of these were rehashed TNG episodes. Lol and they weren’t good the first time around.
As nice as Garrett is, he wasn’t a very good actor. But he wasn’t really given the chance to grow.
Not to mention what happened to their alien offspring in Threshold
We all knew Threshold would be #1, but Tuvix should have been 2.
And personally, I hated the episode where the Doctor had an extremely unbelievable "family".