James Bond: Star Trek stole our idea! Casablanca: Star Trek stole our idea! Sherlock Holmes: Star Trek stole our idea! Jurassic Park: Why won't Star Trek steal our idea?
And Chekov and Bester have the same...what was it again, @@angryretailbanker5103? Oh, right! They're both Walter Koenig! :-D And WK said the growing B5 fandom was the biggest he'd seen since Star Trek. And JMS said the reason both are so popular must be Walter! ;-P
I like that it didn't descend into court battles, because that would have killed both shows. As it was, we got the two greatest scifi shows ever to appear on TV (in my humble opinion, and certainly up to that point). Win. And any similarities were cursory at best. They were completely different in story, style, scope and execution.
@@pllpsy665 The only difference being that B5 was never revisited, Trek habitually is one form or another. Although maybe B5 was following the Vision model and wasn't supposed to last, but I dunno.
Fun fact: Peter Jurasik (the actor playing Londo on Babylon 5) wrote a book in 1998 called Diplomatic Act. It has aliens kidnapping an actor believing him to be the character he plays on screen. The movie Galaxy Quest came out a year later. As far as I know, Jurasik didn’t try to sue the studio
First Contact was a truly weak case. Trek had been using that term for years. So glad Paramount won. You told him about the statue was a line I still love.
Those are the little stories, that make those shows so interesting. Well - wasn't there a time, when Odo lost his power to shapeshift at will? And didn't this story-arc conveniently overlap with a time when DS9 had some financial struggles and couldn't afford expensive CGI-effects?
@@Sovek86 As, ironically, a military flag officer trying to effect a coup against the civilian government with paranoia and xenophobia at play. And in Stargate: SG-1, Robert Foxworth played the civilian leader who was almost overthrown by a military coup! And in Star Trek: Enterprise, he played a Vulcan leader who was trying to subvert the Vulcan government on behalf of the Romulans by starting a war with the Andorians!
Hello there. I have never been bothered by the DS9/B5 controversy. As a viewer, I was fortunate enough to be able to enjoy not one, but two splendid series. As an added bonus, Ronald Moore went from DS9, to Battlestar Galactica. So as a result, I saw three tremendous series. Have a good day.
@@ala5530 He was also in the Twilight Zone reboot (not the most recent one) reprising his original character with his ACTUAL daughter playing his more-powerful daughter...
True, but imo the differences between that one and Enemy Mine were enough to make that considerably less obvious. With the DS9 episode, it's almost as if they wanted to club the viewer over the head with the similarities.
Which one is better, B5 or DS9? I would say, both are better than the counterpart. Like really, why not simply enjoy both, they are both very, very good. No reason to put one above the other.
Honestly the episode was pretty good, the biggest problem with it was it's depiction of Evolution as being in a straight line, and how one could extrapolate how a being would continue to evolve if it didn't go extinct. That's not how evolution works. Other than that, strong story.
Convergent evolution is when 2 completely unrelated species develop similar characteristics that do the same function. When Lawyers get involved someone ends up being blamed for copying the other. Lawsuits galore!
I loves me some Gul Dukat, but Mr. Morden would have him for lunch. Mr. Morden: What do you want? Gul Dukat: Egoboost! Morden to his 'associates': We have our pigeon.
When they were still developing film 8, I read that a story pitch discarded the title Star Trek: Resurrection to allay possible confusion with Alien: Resurrection. (Ready for the irony?) After it came out, I told someone I'd go see First Contact. She asked "is that the one with that chick?" It took a bit to work out she thought I meant Jodi F in the film Contact.
Number 5 - the stranded people that have to survive together Star Trek did that like 5+ times before, why was it only an issue now? TNG had it happen TWICE (once with Picard and Dathon, and then with Geordi and a romulan) Voyager had it happen at least once (Chakotey and the kazon teen), DS9 had an episode with that plot (can't remember the details, sorry), and I'm certain TOS had it happen too. Why is that episode the only problem?
There was the DS9 episode, "The Ascent", where Quark and Odo crashed on an inhospitable world and had to work together to survive. Not exactly enemies, but we know how Odo and Quark always were towards one another. Plus, there was the episode, "The Waltz" where Sisko and Dukat crash on a world and Dukat loses his mind.
Babylon 5 is the one that beat First Contact for their SECOND Hugo. Given differences in budget that is a huge achievement. It also was the first to do season and series long story arcs. Season 2 is great, season 3 and 4 are roller coasters rides.
Had B5 been filmed on a higher budget or at a later time it would have been a timeless classic. How it is now, it is just a timeless classic with some cringey aspects to it. DS9 is good, and in reality at the same level, but it was much closer to its maximum potential.
I somewhat remembered "Enemy Mine" back in the days and was confused after watching the TNG Episode "Darmok". It felt so similar that I thought I forgot "Enemy Mine" was just another TNG Episode in the first place.
These were all loving and respectful homages to the original source material. Another would be Voyager's homage to the Flash Gorden and Rocket Man 1930s movie house serials. You know, the monochromatic holo-deck episodes with the primitive robot and the purple "death rays."
Depending on whose count you believe, there are about 36 story plots in literature. It's like a combination lock. Your lock will have some numbers the same as another lock. Supposedly Picasso said bad artist borrow, good artist steal. Everyone gets ideas from somebody else.
Depending on whose count you believe, there are about 36 story plots in literature. It's like a combination lock. Your lock will have some numbers the same as another lock. Supposedly Picasso said bad artist borrow, good artist steal. Everyone gets ideas from somebody else.
Well yes & no. Yes the similarities are there , but its almost like comparing one Western to another. The western would have cowboy hats , horses ,drunks ,fist fights , gun fights ,etc., etc.,etc., but the details made each slightly unique .
Babylon 5 is clearly superior show to DS9, but DS9 had its moments, quite few good moments. While Sinclair from B5 is weaker character, Sheridan is like Sisko but more aggressive.
@@alphanerd7221 Well taking that B5 had less budget per episode its not surprise they had not the same quailty CGI, still B5 had better story, its characters were better, i wont say DS9 sucks, its good series, definitly better then Voyager, it had few good characters that hold the series, Sisko, Kira, Odo and Quark, rest are not really that good (except Worf who is definitly ok).
I used to think that B5 was "clearly better" but having re-watched both shows twice in their entirety during lockdown, I have to say that DS9 has aged better, and is overall more enjoyable. But I absolutely adore B5 also.
Babylon 5 had better writing than DS9, but DS9 looked better. I'm not sure DS9 had an ending in mind when they started airing it. B5 was planned out for a 5 season arc. I like both shows. I didn't get to watch them first run, only reruns and later on dvd.
Wasn't there also a TNG episode where a Romulan and Geordi are trapped on a planet together and have to help each other? I always felt Dawn was closer to that than Darmok.
I was wondering about that also. I'm watching B5 again currently on HBOmax and if there was a shape shifter that they supposedly copied it would be in the early season and if they're saying kosh he well didnt reveal his true form til late season 3.
Never felt compelled to re-binge the entirety of DS9. An episode here or there. Re-binging the entirety of Babylon 5, however, happens at least once every two years.
"Marooned on a frontier planet, *Apollo* befriends a young widow and her son, rallying a town against "Red Eye"- a likewise marooned, yet memory-damaged, Cylon centurion gunslinger. "
Well I guess the BBC never sent Paramount any angry letters for stealing Cybermen (The Borg), Silurians (The Voth), or Arnold Rimmer (the Doctor from Voyager), as well as a few other possible ideas.
Bond people should be GRATEFUL in that they were showing that the Bond franchise was still influencing into the 20whatevers when holoprogrammers were constructing that program. Thinking maybe 2290 maybe.(Maybe Bond would have FINALLY been played by an English actor.)
There are more franchises in Voyager. I remember an episode in two parts, a sort of Back to the future remake (starring Ed Begley jr. as Biff Tannen). Another episode is related to "IT" by Stephen King, where a horryfing clown is taking control of the hologram bridge. Last one, an episode was inspired by "A nightmare on Elm's street", where an alien kills people in their dreams, aliens are very similar ti Freddy. I think there are more.
this was a wonderful video! I have found a funny correlation in seáns trek culture episodes: the ones where you are on screen are slower pased than the ones where you just narrate :D
OH yea, when I saw "Dawn", I realized IMMEDIATLY that it was a blatant rip-off of "Enemy Mine"...and thought 1) how could somebody get away with it and 2) why would the Star Trek franchise sanction such a rip off. But then, I remembered the original series episode "Balance of Terror" (1:14) and the submarine movies "Run Silent, Run Deep" and "The Enemy Below" movies.....
Enemy Mine was far too similar to be coincidence to 1968s "Hell in the Pacific " to be coincidence and I am sure even older stories are based on the same troupe
The B5/DS9 thing is deeper than that.... one should read up on the joint network effort between Paramount and Warner Brothers, and how Berman and the DS9 producers managed to keep a copy of the show bible for B5. It's not a coincidence that Sisko and Sinclair both were chosen ones.
nope.. no split... as a devoted Trekkie... Bab 5 was the overall better show.. DS9 had its very good to great moments.. but, Bab 5 has better characters and character development , and only lacked in its last season, as nobody knew it was actually going to be made..
So apparently you can't use other stories for inspiration anymore. It is impossible to come up with original concepts anymore so of course people are going to take inspiration from stories that already exist. You would think they would be glad to have their stories remembered at all. I don't really see the problem.
When Lost in Space first premired, it had the potential to become a really good si-fi series that could rival Star Trek. Unfortunately, because they decided to target it to kids early on, it became really goofy and implausible (remember the episode with the giant vegetables?). That's the reason that Star Trek ultimately won out.
I had the chance to ask JMS a question at a con 2 years ago. The topic had come up earlier in the Q&A about shows “borrowing” from other shows and movies, so I asked him how much he thought DS9 borrowed from B5. After the crowd died down, and after jokingly asking me why I hated him so much, he followed up with one word: “copiously”
James Bond: Star Trek stole our idea!
Casablanca: Star Trek stole our idea!
Sherlock Holmes: Star Trek stole our idea!
Jurassic Park: Why won't Star Trek steal our idea?
_“It’s an LCARS system… I know this!”_
Cheers: Star Trek stole our idea! But Morn was an exceptional character so we dont mind
Also they've done... two seven samurai episodes. One on DS9 and one on Enterprise.
Paramount: "We offer them peace
AND THEY BLATENTLY DEFILE THAT PEACE"...
I wish they could have got him to shut up, though. When Morn was around, nobody could get a word in edgeways.
I can still remember the huge cheer that went up in the cinema, when the EMH popped up in 'Star Trek: First Contact'.
Same here. Good times.
"I'm a doctor. Not a doorstop."
Bill Mumy was also on the DS-9 rival show, Babylon 5, at the same time
@@joelellis7035 Oh that's right! As Lennier!
And Chekov and Bester have the same...what was it again, @@angryretailbanker5103? Oh, right! They're both Walter Koenig! :-D
And WK said the growing B5 fandom was the biggest he'd seen since Star Trek. And JMS said the reason both are so popular must be Walter! ;-P
It’s funny whenever you mention an episode that was apparently “not a fan fav” my immediate response is always “ I liked that episode.”
Exactly. It's like these people create these videos and just ask their 5 friends opinions
"Someone said something vaguely not good about this episode one time and others kept repeating what he said, so I guess......"
Same. 😆
Tuvix?
Every episode is gold
I like Babylon 5 and Star Trek seperately and accept them for what they are
Same, the comment section has descended into madness.
It doesn't have to be a competition, lol.
Two great shows with great crossover actors.
I like that it didn't descend into court battles, because that would have killed both shows. As it was, we got the two greatest scifi shows ever to appear on TV (in my humble opinion, and certainly up to that point). Win.
And any similarities were cursory at best. They were completely different in story, style, scope and execution.
The 2 best SF shows ever.
@@pllpsy665 The only difference being that B5 was never revisited, Trek habitually is one form or another. Although maybe B5 was following the Vision model and wasn't supposed to last, but I dunno.
The last time I was this early, the Iconians were still conquering Iccobar.
I Understood That Reference.
@@xenorac Thanks, cap.
You missed the part where your Mom was early.
Yeah, TNG also copied Enemy Mine when Geordi and a Romulan were stranded.
They certainly weren't being subtle about it, either--they called the episode The Enemy! :)
Then again, there was Kirk and the Gorn.
Hell in the Pacific 1968, noone is being completely original here
Doesn't Enemy Mine take its plot from Robinson Crusoe?
There's also the UFO episode "Survival" from 1970.
Fun fact: Peter Jurasik (the actor playing Londo on Babylon 5) wrote a book in 1998 called Diplomatic Act. It has aliens kidnapping an actor believing him to be the character he plays on screen. The movie Galaxy Quest came out a year later. As far as I know, Jurasik didn’t try to sue the studio
I have that book somewhere in my stash
You can't sue for that. You can't copyright a generic concept. Are the writers fort the Three Amigos going to sue Peter Jusarik after he wins?
@@alphanerd7221 exactly why “ideas are not able to be protected under copyright law.”
@@RobertWilkinsonJKekMaloy I guess it depends on how close the plot is to the original
They'll still never name a park after him
First Contact was a truly weak case. Trek had been using that term for years. So glad Paramount won. You told him about the statue was a line I still love.
"You told him about the statue" is great. My favorite line from First Contact is "Something called tequila."
Fist Contact sounds like an adult parody. :D
Fist Contact? Isn't that also known as 'The Sisko Maneuver?" :P
@@LucyLynette 😂Deanna got SO drunk.
@@LucyLynette "This is no time to argue about time! We don't have the TIME!" - passes out
What about that Babylon 5 blooper where Sheridan asks “Where’s General Hague” and Bruce McGill says “General Hague is doing Deep Space 9?”
Those are the little stories, that make those shows so interesting.
Well - wasn't there a time, when Odo lost his power to shapeshift at will? And didn't this story-arc conveniently overlap with a time when DS9 had some financial struggles and couldn't afford expensive CGI-effects?
Oh yeah, that was him in Paradise Lost isnt it?
@@Sovek86 As, ironically, a military flag officer trying to effect a coup against the civilian government with paranoia and xenophobia at play. And in Stargate: SG-1, Robert Foxworth played the civilian leader who was almost overthrown by a military coup! And in Star Trek: Enterprise, he played a Vulcan leader who was trying to subvert the Vulcan government on behalf of the Romulans by starting a war with the Andorians!
Hello there. I have never been bothered by the DS9/B5 controversy. As a viewer, I was fortunate enough to be able to enjoy not one, but two splendid series. As an added bonus, Ronald Moore went from DS9, to Battlestar Galactica. So as a result, I saw three tremendous series. Have a good day.
100 % agreed!
Majel Barrett was classy about it though doing that guest appearance
@@KCKingdomCreateGreatTrekAgain quite a few trek people in B5.
@@KCKingdomCreateGreatTrekAgain Majel Barrett was just super classy period!
@@KCKingdomCreateGreatTrekAgain Walter Koenig, Majel Barrett Roddenberry, anyone else?
Distant Origin is clearly The Silurians who escaped Earth before the asteroid struck & Jon Pertwee as The Doctor met them in the 1970's!
"Our man Bashir" was SUCH a good episode!! Totally underrated!
But, I think I could say the same for most DS9 episodes
You mean Babylon 5 LOL
Bashir made that show watchable.
@@alphanerd7221 O'Brian made the show watchable. Bashir was just the comic relief. lol
@@alphanerd7221 Then he aged into a mostly underutilized Ra's
@@gothix5868 Impressively backward.
Wow, I didn't realise that Bill Mumy had such a huge Sci-Fi acting resume. I always knew him as the Minbari named Lennier from Babylon 5.
Fish heads, fish heads, roly-poly fish heads......
Did you notice his cameos in the terrible Lost In Space remakes? The movie and the series.
The Minbari never tell you the whole story.
He was also in the 1990 Captain America film, and the original Twilight Zone
@@ala5530 He was also in the Twilight Zone reboot (not the most recent one) reprising his original character with his ACTUAL daughter playing his more-powerful daughter...
B5 and DS9 were both great shows, loved them both. F the Holmes foundation for their greed.
"Distant Origin" might just be my favorite Voyager episode.
Fucking congratulations 🎊 !
Stargate Atlantis; Pretty sure that was a T-rex!
I always enjoyed Displaced...dunno why it just seems like a typical survival episode...
I would've loved more Julian Bashir, Secret Agent and Elim Garak. That's would've been great!
Yeah. Honestly, Our Man Bashir is my favourite "Bond movie".
Ah, HoneyBare
Definitely
Greatness was your Mom. We all agree.
TNG did an episode that was also very similar to “Enemy Mine” with Geordi and a Romulan trapped on a planet and having to work together to survive.
True, but imo the differences between that one and Enemy Mine were enough to make that considerably less obvious. With the DS9 episode, it's almost as if they wanted to club the viewer over the head with the similarities.
The Enemy which was a great episode. I really wish they would have followed up on that Centurion Bacra what ever happened to him
Darmok, also TNG, is another Enemy Mine episode.
And BattleStar Galactica did it earlier, with Apollo and a Cylon stranded on a planet with an infant human. Episode 6, aired in 1978.
@@JohnDlugosz and that Cylon was played by Patrick Stewart.
Which one is better, B5 or DS9? I would say, both are better than the counterpart. Like really, why not simply enjoy both, they are both very, very good. No reason to put one above the other.
agreed
It was Distant Origin Theory. Not evolution from mammals, but had their origins from a different planet.
Honestly the episode was pretty good, the biggest problem with it was it's depiction of Evolution as being in a straight line, and how one could extrapolate how a being would continue to evolve if it didn't go extinct. That's not how evolution works.
Other than that, strong story.
Convergent evolution is when 2 completely unrelated species develop similar characteristics that do the same function.
When Lawyers get involved someone ends up being blamed for copying the other. Lawsuits galore!
See Puffins and Penguins
Do you know when Sheridan and Londo first met? They had a layover in Tron lol
Bill Mumy also was Lennier on Babylon 5
and Walter Koenig was also in a few DS9 episodes and Michael Ansarra (Kang)
@@gilliandrysdale5306 I think you meant babylon 5
@@omf4ever yes I did sorry
@@gilliandrysdale5306 I remember Walter Koenig was Bester in B5 and Michael Ansara was a Tecnomage
@@omf4ever Bester was the best role Koenig ever had. He was brilliant at it.
Where as i fully admit i am a BIG ST fan..have all ways been....CLEARLY..B5 was the better series over DS9
I am amazed Lost in Space was more popular than Star Trek.
I like both Babylon 5 and DS9. DS9 doesn't have Shadows or Mr. Morden.
I loves me some Gul Dukat, but Mr. Morden would have him for lunch.
Mr. Morden: What do you want?
Gul Dukat: Egoboost!
Morden to his 'associates': We have our pigeon.
👋
Weyoun was Morden, the Dominion was the Shadows.
"What do you want?"
@@missyprime8198 "Who are you?"
The only onse that won in the DS9 and B5 fight was in realety fans as they got two great shows
What shows? Those two suck.
@@alphanerd7221 Well if you don’t like em don’t watch them
Hard to choose. Love both Deep Space 9 and Babylon 5. Watched them religiously back in the day.
No contest for me. DS-9 by a mile. Then there's Cmdr. Tomalak vs G'kar (Andreas Katsulas)...and Billy Mumy too.
Babylon 5 Is definitely a better written, acted and diverse show. Just wish they would do a proper cg update. Not that HBO joke.
Never got the fuss about DS9 frankly. Especially after I tried out B5 upon hearing about the 'similarities'.
Babylon 5 wins by a mile, so good that DS9 stands above and beyond all the other Star Treks barring the original
I just watched Distant Origin Theory an hour before seeing this! It is a great Voyager episode.
When they were still developing film 8, I read that a story pitch discarded the title Star Trek: Resurrection to allay possible confusion with Alien: Resurrection. (Ready for the irony?) After it came out, I told someone I'd go see First Contact. She asked "is that the one with that chick?" It took a bit to work out she thought I meant Jodi F in the film Contact.
Pfft, "Split on the better show" my arse.
Everyone knows Babylon 5 is superior.
Love both B5 and Star Trek
Number 5 - the stranded people that have to survive together
Star Trek did that like 5+ times before, why was it only an issue now? TNG had it happen TWICE (once with Picard and Dathon, and then with Geordi and a romulan) Voyager had it happen at least once (Chakotey and the kazon teen), DS9 had an episode with that plot (can't remember the details, sorry), and I'm certain TOS had it happen too. Why is that episode the only problem?
Absolutely.. The Geordi/Romulan episode in particular, I think.
There was the DS9 episode, "The Ascent", where Quark and Odo crashed on an inhospitable world and had to work together to survive. Not exactly enemies, but we know how Odo and Quark always were towards one another. Plus, there was the episode, "The Waltz" where Sisko and Dukat crash on a world and Dukat loses his mind.
I think that in the end we were lucky to get both B5 and DS9 - I like them both.
Truth. 😊
Babylon 5 is the one that beat First Contact for their SECOND Hugo. Given differences in budget that is a huge achievement. It also was the first to do season and series long story arcs. Season 2 is great, season 3 and 4 are roller coasters rides.
Had B5 been filmed on a higher budget or at a later time it would have been a timeless classic. How it is now, it is just a timeless classic with some cringey aspects to it.
DS9 is good, and in reality at the same level, but it was much closer to its maximum potential.
I wonder how the Robert Louis Stevenson estate felt about Star Trek's "Captain Jekyll and Captain Hyde" episode "The Enemy Within."
It was already public domain but since they let the Hulk slide I'm sure they were fine with it.
Seeing images from Babylon 5 brought me back to the time when it aired in 1998 in my country. The marketing ploy was: “Another Star trek TV Show.”
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Without ST TOS there would be no Babylon 5.
True
How come Paramount weren't sued over the TNG episode "First Contact"?
probably wasn't big enough for the potential plantiff.
Episode and movie titles are different. You’re not marketing and selling a single episode name.
Enemy mine is clearly based on Hell in the Pacific, so they can't complain too much.
Good luck, Captain, I think you're about to go where everyone has gone before.
That means way more than you think it does.
@@DoremiFasolatido1979 I know exactly what it means.
Babylon 5 always Babylon 5.
I loved Our man Bashir, ended PERFECTLY. Always wanted to see Bond say, fuck it, just kill em.
I somewhat remembered "Enemy Mine" back in the days and was confused after watching the TNG Episode "Darmok". It felt so similar that I thought I forgot "Enemy Mine" was just another TNG Episode in the first place.
These were all loving and respectful homages to the original source material. Another would be Voyager's homage to the Flash Gorden and Rocket Man 1930s movie house serials. You know, the monochromatic holo-deck episodes with the primitive robot and the purple "death rays."
Those were great episodes. Imagine being an actor in a relatively serious show and being given the opportunity to overact like that.
It's funny to see a US Court rule on vernacular that would apply to encounters with extraterrestrials.
Though I am a through and through Trekkie, B5 was the better show
I think B5 made DS9 step up its game.
@@garygcrook no arguement from me. B5 had politics, religion, war, romance and godlike beings
some say Babylon 5 is the best serialized scifi serie ever.
The others are liars
Babbling5 comes in second
That show sucks. It makes Earth 2 look like Star Wars.
Depending on whose count you believe, there are about 36 story plots in literature. It's like a combination lock. Your lock will have some numbers the same as another lock. Supposedly Picasso said bad artist borrow, good artist steal. Everyone gets ideas from somebody else.
Enemies ending up forced to work together to survive seems like it would be a common theme.
Depending on whose count you believe, there are about 36 story plots in literature. It's like a combination lock. Your lock will have some numbers the same as another lock. Supposedly Picasso said bad artist borrow, good artist steal. Everyone gets ideas from somebody else.
I really liked the Enterprise episode with Trip stuck on that planet with the alien. I think these comparisons are weak at best.
Well yes & no. Yes the similarities are there , but its almost like comparing one Western to another. The western would have cowboy hats , horses ,drunks ,fist fights , gun fights ,etc., etc.,etc., but the details made each slightly unique .
Babylon 5 is clearly superior show to DS9, but DS9 had its moments, quite few good moments. While Sinclair from B5 is weaker character, Sheridan is like Sisko but more aggressive.
What's clear is that they both suck. At least DS9 had a decent effects department.
@@alphanerd7221 Well taking that B5 had less budget per episode its not surprise they had not the same quailty CGI, still B5 had better story, its characters were better, i wont say DS9 sucks, its good series, definitly better then Voyager, it had few good characters that hold the series, Sisko, Kira, Odo and Quark, rest are not really that good (except Worf who is definitly ok).
I used to think that B5 was "clearly better" but having re-watched both shows twice in their entirety during lockdown, I have to say that DS9 has aged better, and is overall more enjoyable. But I absolutely adore B5 also.
Personally I enjoyed both DS9 and Babylon 5.
I really liked _Deep Space Nine,_ but _Babylon Five_ was the better show.
Obviously a day drinker
It's funny watching all you low rent nerds arguing over which terrible show was better.
Babylon 5 had better writing than DS9, but DS9 looked better. I'm not sure DS9 had an ending in mind when they started airing it. B5 was planned out for a 5 season arc. I like both shows. I didn't get to watch them first run, only reruns and later on dvd.
Doyle's estate sucks. They sue everyone that even hints at Holmes.
Isn't it in the public domain yet?
Wasn't there also a TNG episode where a Romulan and Geordi are trapped on a planet together and have to help each other? I always felt Dawn was closer to that than Darmok.
It's IRWIN Allen you P'itakh!!!😡
Weird, I don't remember a shape-shifter on Babylon 5.
Your memory does you credit, Ms (NONE on B5) 😎
You could say the vorlons since every races saw them differently.
Me either, and I don't think Vorlon psychic camouflage counts.
I was wondering about that also. I'm watching B5 again currently on HBOmax and if there was a shape shifter that they supposedly copied it would be in the early season and if they're saying kosh he well didnt reveal his true form til late season 3.
@@bjbresulla They are referring to the original B5 movie The Gathering where an alien used a device called a changeling net to appear as other people.
Never felt compelled to re-binge the entirety of DS9. An episode here or there.
Re-binging the entirety of Babylon 5, however, happens at least once every two years.
Copyright law needs SERIOUS overhaul...
Babylon 5 and DS9 both had characters named "Dukhat".
It's amazing the topics you keep coming up with. Love them all .
Did no one at Paramount think to remind MGM that they did it own the Spy genre, just James Bond? No? Huh.
#5, was also a BattleStar Galactica (1978) plot. Apollo, and a Cylon were stranded on a planet.
Didn't they redo that episode in the 2004 series where Starbuck cuts into the Cylon ship and pilots it?
@@RichO1701e yes and no. In the 2004, the Cylon was no longer alive or sentient. So they didn't work together, she just salvaged his parts/body.
"Marooned on a frontier planet, *Apollo* befriends a young widow and her son, rallying a town against "Red Eye"- a likewise marooned, yet memory-damaged, Cylon centurion gunslinger. "
@@JohnDlugosz right, it was Apollo!
@@JohnDlugosz I remember that.
I would have watched Babylon 5 if it had a timeslot on non-cable TV
It did up to season four.
And now Star Trek Picard is copying Mass Effect.
Well I guess the BBC never sent Paramount any angry letters for stealing Cybermen (The Borg), Silurians (The Voth), or Arnold Rimmer (the Doctor from Voyager), as well as a few other possible ideas.
Bond people should be GRATEFUL in that they were showing that the Bond franchise was still influencing into the 20whatevers when holoprogrammers were constructing that program. Thinking maybe 2290 maybe.(Maybe Bond would have FINALLY been played by an English actor.)
"Star Trek: First Contact isn't an episode"
*Angry Malcorian Noises*
I love Trek but B5 was by far way better compared to DS9
Which was the better show? Babylon 5. This is even a question? 😁
I watched B5 and DS9 and liked both. Very similar but they each had nuances that made them unique. Thank you!
I always thought ST:TNG's "Darmok" was more like "Enemy Mine" than others.
I don't remember any shapeshifters in B5, 8:57. I watched the whole series 5 times. Am I forgetting something?
I was scratching my head about that too. Maybe it was a reference to the Vorlons?
There are more franchises in Voyager. I remember an episode in two parts, a sort of Back to the future remake (starring Ed Begley jr. as Biff Tannen). Another episode is related to "IT" by Stephen King, where a horryfing clown is taking control of the hologram bridge. Last one, an episode was inspired by "A nightmare on Elm's street", where an alien kills people in their dreams, aliens are very similar ti Freddy. I think there are more.
I see that DS9's "The Magnificent Ferengi" did not make this list. It must not have upset anyone from "The Magnificent Seven".
Which of course originated from Kurosawa's "Seven Samauri"
Our man Bashir was a great episode! I really loved it to watch!
I loved Enemy Mine
I'll be quiet now
Nobody, but nobody, had scarier ships than the Shadows. And they were doing all that terrorizing *_for our own good._*
"If you go to Za'Ha'Dum, you will die..."
this was a wonderful video! I have found a funny correlation in seáns trek culture episodes: the ones where you are on screen are slower pased than the ones where you just narrate :D
“Take a hike “The Notebook”….”
I’m dead
I love Star Trek deep space nine but at the same time Babylon 5 far better character development for certain characters on the show
Tribblepoop
How Londo and G'Kar changed over the seasons plus how their relationship changed was done really well.
@@markmullins8622 isn’t tribble poop just… more tribbles?
OH yea, when I saw "Dawn", I realized IMMEDIATLY that it was a blatant rip-off of "Enemy Mine"...and thought 1) how could somebody get away with it and 2) why would the Star Trek franchise sanction such a rip off. But then, I remembered the original series episode "Balance of Terror" (1:14) and the submarine movies "Run Silent, Run Deep" and "The Enemy Below" movies.....
Trek v B5. Better? Depends on what parameters, episodes, etc. Isn't there room for both? CAN'T WE ALL GET ALONG?
Enemy Mine was far too similar to be coincidence to 1968s "Hell in the Pacific " to be coincidence and I am sure even older stories are based on the same troupe
I want to see the Voth in Star Trek Picard!!!!
To tell you the truth ..... Startrek voyager distant origin is far more better than the last Jurassic world 2..... That movie was garbage 🤣🤣🤣🤣👎
The B5/DS9 thing is deeper than that.... one should read up on the joint network effort between Paramount and Warner Brothers, and how Berman and the DS9 producers managed to keep a copy of the show bible for B5. It's not a coincidence that Sisko and Sinclair both were chosen ones.
"We'll Always Have Paris" is a line from Casablanca as well.
Warner Bros. was ok with that apparently.
A pleasantly not as they got a stern letter from MGM lawyers. Its in this video!
Lost In Space IrWIN , not Irvin. You keep doin' that in these vids. Stop. Whydontcha say Jean Rhodensberry or something like that?
nope.. no split... as a devoted Trekkie...
Bab 5 was the overall better show.. DS9 had its very good to great moments..
but, Bab 5 has better characters and character development , and only lacked in its last season, as nobody knew it was actually going to be made..
5:23 lol..true!
6:02 not mammals, dinosaurs. It was, scientifically the stupidest episode ever penned.
I mean why are they mad?........ When have MGM actually made a good movie in recent years 🤔🤔🤔???
That sounds like Heresy against Doctrine to me...
An equally accurate title would be, "Franchises That Need To Get Over Themselves".
Wait what bill mummy is DANGER WILL ROBINSON 😳
cool
So apparently you can't use other stories for inspiration anymore. It is impossible to come up with original concepts anymore so of course people are going to take inspiration from stories that already exist. You would think they would be glad to have their stories remembered at all. I don't really see the problem.
When Lost in Space first premired, it had the potential to become a really good si-fi series that could rival Star Trek. Unfortunately, because they decided to target it to kids early on, it became really goofy and implausible (remember the episode with the giant vegetables?). That's the reason that Star Trek ultimately won out.
I had the chance to ask JMS a question at a con 2 years ago. The topic had come up earlier in the Q&A about shows “borrowing” from other shows and movies, so I asked him how much he thought DS9 borrowed from B5. After the crowd died down, and after jokingly asking me why I hated him so much, he followed up with one word: “copiously”
I remember seeing an interview where it was said that DS 9 originally had a character called "Lyta".
@@JohnJ469 wasnt just originally, there was a bajoran (later Rom's wife) with the name
Babylon 5 versus ds9 for best show. Watchs ensuing nova bomb from safe distance.
Bab5 hands down
definitely DS9
It's all been pretty civil. This will not do internet, I demand drama:)
@@paullaing5921 nothing in Star Wars is canon except the first film, and the Holiday Special. COME AT ME BROS!
Neither, and that's a fact.