An interesting factoid is that when they made Trials and Tribbleations, Brooks and Farrell hadn't seen the Enterprise sets at all until they walked in for that first scene. Their facial reactions upon seeing how faithful the sets were compared to the original series were completely genuine. You look at their faces and for a second, you can really see that they've become kids again and their dream of being on the USS Enterprise had been fulfilled.
What I always loved about DS9 was the recurring characters that so dramatically shaped the story line. Garek, Gul Dukat, Damar, Chancellor Gowron, General Martok, Weyoun, the female Changeling, all of them really brought the story to life. I love how this show also told the viewpoints of those various characters, their motivations, why they acted like they did. It left to the viewer somewhat to judge them for what they did, yes there were good guys/bad guys in DS9, but their motives were left in the grey, both sides made you empathize with them.
Mrs. Arthur Morgan he played the alien friend of Quark that wanted a holosuite program of Major Kira. In the end Kira finds out and changes the program to have her body, but have Quark’s head and voice. He also played a human cop in the episode in which Sisko is a Sci Fi writer in the 50s or 60s. His last role in DSN was a none speaking part as an background extra in Vic Fontaine’s club in the series finale. He actually made Weyoun(s) likable. I was sorry to see Weyoun 8 get killed, being he was the last clone, lol. I think that his best role was in Star Trek Enterprise where he played Shran, the Andorian. His character’s arc and chemistry with Archer was great. Too bad there weren’t more seasons to see how his character would have evolved. And he played one of the Ferengi in the episode where the Enterprise was gassed by a group Ferengi space pirates. He was the one that guards Archer. I think he was also on one episode of Voyager, but I never got into that series, and was the voice for a character in a ST video game. As you can tell, I am a fan of his, going back to his horror movies like Re-Animator and The Frighteners (Michael J Fox) and his many H.P. Lovecraft movies/roles. He is a really great actor.
Garak is one of the best Charakters on Star Trek, every Scene he was in was gold, you never knew on what side he was or if he had something going on, the most memorable quotes came from him, props to the writers and the actor for that.
Bashir: Assuming you're not a spy... Garak: Assuming. Bashir: Then maybe you're an outcast. Garak: Or maybe I'm an outcast spy. Bashir: How could you be both? Garak: I never said I was either.
I didn't need it but I don't hate it. I do prefer my Trek to deal with ideas and big questions and I couldn't care less about drama, relationships, and war. Its just not interesting and there are many places to go for action & drama. I digress because Star Trek does need depth & growth if I want it to continue because its a future that I want, I just will choose to go to what I like but we can all find unity within the Trek-verse.
because he believed that at a certain point in time we'd be over such things and would always find the peaceful solution to everything like Picard did.
True but mostly he didn't want the network to object to certain episodes. You saw what happened when Kirk kissed Uhura. The show and network affiliates were boycotted in the southern US states.
"Dealing with Religion and also War" doesn't mean turning show to BSG. TNG had all these things, just in more subtle manner and bit different than typical audience was used to seeing.
just had a conversation about this the other day with my brother. DS9 is THE BEST star trek show by far, best written, best conceived, best designed, groundbreaking, intelligent, relevant - with the worst actors (aside from Meaney, Shimerman and Combs).
Two things made DS9 for me. The overall continuing story, particularly in the later years. Plus the sheer amount of great characters that were not part of the crew. Dukat, Weyoun, Damar, Garak, Kai Winn etc
Not only did it watch the series during its original run and reruns, I've gone thru it episode by episode about 6 times on NetFlix and Amazon. Great series to rewatch...
It rapidly became my favorite when it was on. I hosted a party to watch it's series finale! Such a rich, complex stew of different cultures with different social structures, governing systems, religions, etc. sometimes clashing and sometimes working together. I always thought of it as the grounded counterpart to The Next Generation. TNG had the post-Cold War, peace dividend optimism that assumed the fall of Berlin War was about to unleash humankind's full potential. DS9 saw the same events and realized what was actually happening was the lid was being taken off of innumerable smaller conflicts the Cold War had suppressed. For humankind to evolve, we first had to face all our chaotic diversity and messy problems and come out successfully on the other side.
I second that! I find it interseting that discovery is doing something very similar and yet seems to be getting the oposite responce from most die hard fans of the series. I am not one of them though, I actually find it's newish approach refreshing and am getting to like it more and more as it progresses.
To me STD is the worst and I mean worst tv series of all time. It is so poorly written. Sure there are issues I could point out like the awkward camera work or lense flares but those are trivial compared to horrible characters, bad acting and the worst writing ever. Sonar doesn't work in space you can't use it to detect a cloaked ship dumbasses, the writers not anyone in this thread. How in the world can vulcans now use the force, wrong series, to communicate over light years? Why would Sarek adopt a human as his own when he had a son already?
Actually I both TNG and DS9 went darker after the fall of the Berlin Wall (DS9 being created after it). TNG became seriously darker, with the introduction of the Cardassians and the Maquis and the episode with Picard getting tortured. And that all spilled over into/was parallel with DS9. Another key element was the death of visionary optimist/socialist ideologue Gene Roddenberry, who brought some great stories to TNG but also some idealistic, simplistic and sometimes sexist BS that was best left in the 60's. With him gone the franchise could modernize.
TNG had single ... 'flaw'. As Marina Sirtis put it it was "Two Man Show" of Patrick Stewart and Brent Spinner. For all the effort of remaining cast and writers, these two have fit the writing so perfectly that inadvertently they have just dominated the set.
I do think DS9 is really strong but I like TNG more because personally for me the way they show the Bajoran religion really annoys me and doesn’t feel like Star Trek
Me my opinion Sche I always thought it was a Bug's Life/Antz situation. One company came up with the idea, the other heard of it and then ran with it. DS9 was more family friendly though. I haven't seen Babylon 5 since it aired, but I would like to
Sadly, I hear they messed up the HD print of Babylon 5, meaning it is nearly impossible to update the CGI, because of a poorly formatted live action video.
@@Dularr Also the current CEO of Warner Brothers absolutely despises J. Michael Straczynski' and Babylon 5 and has publicly stated that he will not release the TV series rights ever. So that is the reason that we haven't see other spin offs or reboots because other studios want the TV rights before making movies and such. The contact that J. Michael Straczynski made with WB was for the life of the signing entity +50 years, with WB being the signer. So basically unless WB sells or releases the rights J. Michael Straczynski would have to wait till WB folds +50 years to get them back.
Both are great, and very, very, different from one another. So much so that I came to think that people saying one ripped off the other only saw one (or neither) series. They are like night and day, to any sci-fi fan worth their salt.
The Ferengi actually did save the universe as without Quark and Rom working to foil the Dominion plans in the early episodes of season six the Defiant would probably have been destroyed before it reached the wormhole in Sacrifice of Angels.
It truly truly was. I wish to God they would remake it with the original actors! Who cares if they're 25 years older! It's Hollywood! They can do anything!
Oh Really?! If that is the case then how do you explain the utter shitness in the following episodes: Let He Who Is Without Sin You Are Cordially Invited Far Beyond The Stars The Sound Of Her Voice Take Me Out To The Holosuite Badda Bing Badda Bang Prodigal Daughter (even the producers apologised for that fucking shit) Chimera What You Leave Behind Every fucking shit cringe worthy Prophet and Pah Wraiths episodes. The Sisko this and The Sisko that (oh shut the fuck up). Out with The Dominion, The Mirror Universe (except for that garbage The Emperor's New Cloak) and the utter amazing Trials And Tribble-ations there were hardly any decent DS9 episodes. Even the creators admit that Worf was brought in to improve ratings as Babylon 5 was absolutely annihilating it even winning "Best Sci-Fi Show" TWICE!
O'Brien was never ever bugged, bothered, or annoyed enough ... LOL One of the funnest episodes was when the runabout was shrunk down, and then the Defiant was captured. :D Though, the marital spats he had with Keiko were very realistic.
Jane No, that’s silly. The Dominion were absolutely the bad guys who worked from day one towards the goal of subjugating the entire alpha and beta quadrants. Starfleet were morally ambiguous, they were ignorant, they were often wrong in their actions but they were not the bad guys and they had no intention of being in a war with anyone.
I had a lot of thoughts when the Dominion occupied the station and Odo was constantly in the link/having sex with the founder and how much he changed to be so horribly indifferent. It seems like the Link is like a big old drug, they're all drug addicts and "slave" to the Link, so it all made so much sense for them to make the Jem'Hadar drug addicts and them, the Vorta and everyone else slaves for their pleasure. I never thought the founders sounded "bad" or "evil" in their own logic, they were just blinded by their own drug addiction to their paradise, the Link. And how could one deny them their form of existense? I would be so excited to hear what happened further with the Federation/Dominon treaty and Odo's presence in the Link, if they could change their mindset.
Ah, Ds9. My favorite Star Trek series. It produced the most intriguing supporting cast of the franchise and at the top of that cast stands Elim Garak. Such an amazing character played by a talented actor.
A passover story! How did I miss that? Well done! Also, In the Pale Moonlight is the greatest rumination on post 9/11 ethics in sci-fi which is amazing since it came out in 1998. It really was amazing...
I don't see the In the Pale Moonlight connection with "post-9/11 ethics." That episode was about lying and cheating and murdering to get a huge empire to join a just fight that was already being fought in earnest. 9/11 forced us to ask questions about things like torture, xenophobia, domestic spying, wars of choice and pre-emptive wars, and lying to start a war. There are plenty of TV episodes and movies in the franchise that touch on these things in a more direct way. TNG's Chain of Command was all about torture. It was both gripping and hard to watch.
I remember reading that the basis for the show was “Gunsmoke”. There was the towns people, the bar, the marshal and people who come in and out of the city. Giving many opportunities for storylines.
Agreed. TNG, DS9 and Voyager were the "golden years" of Star Trek. With "Discovery" we have reached rock bottom (hopefully). It can't get any worse than that, can it?
Don’t forget that Bryan Fuller was a writer for this show, and he went on to create Hannibal, and Pushing Daisies. It’s definitely groundbreaking in a lot of ways
I think if you revise this or update it you should add a parenthetical when mentioning Garrak that the character we are introduced to as plain simple Garrak turns out to be one of the most internally conflicted and complicated and best acted characters in the history of television. In fact, one of the things I enjoyed so much about DS9 was its ability to take even a very minor character that barely has a name in the storyline and almost no speaking lines and over a period of several seasons develop the character into a major integral component of the central storyline, making the internal moral makeup of the character cause the main storyline to veer sideways in unpredictable directions, and we get to see the personalities of these characters grow as they are themselves shaped by the events in the storyline. Odo is probably the first one they did that with, starting the series as something of a side-show to the main characters like Sisko, Obrien, Bashir, Dax, Kira, etc., and later becoming perhaps the central character of the entire show, Damar (who I don't remember was even mentioned), Weyoon (sp??) (who is also not mentioned), the unnamed female changeling leader, Kai Winn, and some that were cut short like Kai Opaca.
The greatest Star Trek. In part, because of the brilliance that is B5. Some of the best Star Trek episodes ever too. Check out Far Beyond the Stars, The Visitor, or In Pale Moonlight.
I don't think it's right to give even partial credit to, "B5," for the success of, "DSN." I think, "DSN," is just fine, without being compared to, "B5." It can stand on its own two feet. Thank you very much!
This segment definitely covers 99.9% of what I love about Deep Space Nine. The only thing missing was honorable mention of the Federation/Bajoran defection movement known as the Maquis, which was introduced on Next Generation and DS9 as a device to prepare viewers for events to come during Voyager.
The first episode of DS9 is the first time the prophets meet Sisko. And also the first time they really understand what is the linear time life form, thanks to Sisko's teaching. So they made him their emissary. In order to ensure their encounter with Sisko, they even send one of them to possess Sisko's mother for a while. Since they are out of time, it may seem to be a logical thing to do. Even though it brings a lot of confusion and paradoxes for Sisko's origin.
Well you can easily tell it was down without Roddenberry, he was an atheist you would have never had anything to do with spirituality in a Star Trek if he had his way. We would have missed all the rich story behind the Klingon gods and the Bajorin Prophets.
Initially Roddenberry was against the idea of DS9 because he didn't think people within the Federation (namely Humans) shouldn't have internal conflicts and have character drama. However, before passing away, one if his last 'official' acts was to give his blessing to the production of DS9. It sort of makes me happy to know that even if he had nothing to do with it's creation, he was aware of the existence of the show before his death.
Nathan Tinney that is why the show takes place on a Bajoran space station and not a Federation space station. This side stepped the issue, since they weren't a part of the Federation. Basically you were allowed to create conflicts. So there was very little conflict between federation officers, but plenty in the other aliens in the show who weren't a part of that.
Kenny S, you clearly didn't watch the same original series I did. I'll take any season of DS9 over the space hippies, the crazy woman who wanted to mindswap with Kirk, or another episode of WE FOUND A PLANET THAT IS IDENTICAL TO EARTH. BY COMPLETE COINCIDENCE. And Gene Roddenberry wanted utopianism for tng. Oddly show quality improved the less he was involved, unless you think season1 tng is best.
I know it sounds sad but when it ended especially the final scene i felt i had lost something special that had been a part of my life for 7 years and i had never had that reaction to any TV show ever.
t s I know EXACTLY what you mean. That station felt like home. (“When did we start thinking of that Cardassian monstrosity as home?”) The characters felt like family. And I have felt the show’s absence keenly for the last 18 years, since the day I saw that last scene of Jake and Kira stood at the promenade window and we drift away from the station as it disappears into the Denorios Belt. 😢
It really is a complicated story when you try to explain it. Throw in the changeling infiltration, Klingon - Cardassian War, Dominion-Cardassian Alliance and then their rebellion. It's just awesome and it's only the tip of the iceberg.
I remember the show runners calling out the O'Brien must suffer episodes. And yet, his dealt with probably some of the most human issues. For example PTSD, racism, loyalty, right to life for his daughter (aged), marital temptation, surrogate child birth. I have come to respect those stories far more.
I was in college when the 3 series were all on at the same time. Including reruns, You could watch 3 or 4 hours a night of star trek using over the air channels. We didn't know how good we had it then!
One of the things that I think made DS9 the greatest Trek series was that in some ways it was a coming of age story for the Federation. They had to rethink their ideas if taking families on deep space exploration missions. The change of ship type between the Enterprise D and E are emblematic of that attitude shift, as well as the introduction of the Defiant class ships. The Enterprise D had virtually been a lightly armed luxury liner, whereas the Enterprise E was a streamlined war machine designed to take on the likes of the Dominion and the Borg. The Federation didn't loose its values, but it did shed some of its naivety. It had to relearn the old maxim of Peace through Strength. It couldn't afford to be complacent any longer about the threats in the broader Galaxy.
I loved your explanation! I always thought of DS9 as epic in scope. More so than any other Star Trek series. (yes I've watched all of them. Even the cartoon)
+bdr32965 nah, DS9 was great, but TNG was clearly the thinking person's Star Trek. Way intellectually deeper, and much more committed to tackling moral problems - in DS9, problems of any sort were generally tackled with a phaser (or, indeed, with a biogenic weapon).
Kira - probably the most hardest believable character ever written. Garak - probably the best character ever written. He had awesome lines, conniving thoughts, and physical and mentally capable of carrying out his tasks. In one show Kira could beat 3 Cardassians single handed, then the next show, she can't outmaneuver either a human or a Bajoran. Like wtf?
Trivia: Which Breaking Bad actors also appeared in a Star Trek series? Answers below. . . . . . Mark Margolis (Hector Salamanca / Nel Apgar - TNG ) Raymond Cruz (Tuco Salamanca / Vargas - DS9) John DeLancie (Donald Margolis / Q - TNG, DS9, Voyager) Jonathan Banks (Mike Ehrmantraut / Shel-la - DS9)
Matt Trudewind -I used to get a kick out of seeing them come out from a halosuite dressed all weird. Bashir was always like "why do you get to be...." and O'brien would reply that he was related to whoever it was by some byzantine twist of genealogy
I tried to get into this series twice and only made it halfway through the first season. The third time was the charm, however, and now it's my favorite because the politics were so complex with the faith-based Bajor and science-based Starfleet. Throw in the brutal Cardassians and The Dominion....what a great show!
People don't realise how important this show was not just for Star Trek but for television as a whole. IT pioneered serialized storytelling and it along with the Sopranos and Twin Peaks put the foundation down for the unbelievable television we have today. Without these shows like Game Of Thrones never would have happen.
Matthew Teeter -Good call on twin peaks btw. B5 still needs to be on the list. Without it, we most likely wouldn't have seen ds9. I acknowledge the mainstream appeal vs the cult following.
Season 6 alone makes it the best overall. TNG is right there, but DS9 gets the edge for the sheer daring in its approach to confronting moral and ethical ambiguities. Kira is a former freedom fighter/terrorist/assassin, Odo is a former (unwilling) collaborator, Sisko commits so many ethical, moral, and legal violations in order to save the Alpha Quadrant he'd be a war criminal in actuality, and yet there's so much nuance in the storytelling it not only makes sense but makes us both love and hate these characters, oftentimes simultaneously. Such a great show.
Armin Shimerman told us at a concention that he almost got the actor who plays morn fired. He kept telling him to ask for lines, and the producers did not want the character to speak. That episode where he faked his own death was pretty funny as people were commenting about how he never shut up LOL.
I never considered Sisko to be a Moses-like figure, to be honest. For a long time, I considered him to be more of a, "messianic," figure in the, "Star Trek," universe. I think both comparisons can be made.
Wish you had more to tell us about Garak, Dukat, Brunt/Weyoun (same actor, I believe) among other great characters. Plus the behind the scenes drama that made working on DS9 so different than TNG.
DS9 is the best Trek series by FAR! It pushed the envelope way further than ANY other scifi before by far! The depth of the characters, storylines & overall feel of the show was unique & the blueprint for other shows today!
What really set DS9 apart was the quality of storytelling and the acting. During it 7 seasons, it was nominated many times. There were so many excellent stories, it's hard to pick one out though Duet and Far Beyond The Stars were fantastic.
I was 16 years old when DS9 went off the air. So much of what was going on I had no idea came from real life lol But Vic Fontaine was my absolute favorite. I learned about big band music from him and still love it to this day, particularly Bobby Darrin thanks to Beyond the Sea. DS9 was the best Star Trek.
Beats me, I loved this show when it was first run. I'm so glad it's gained popularity over time (esp when shows like STD are out there, calling themselves Trek).
My problem with rewatching the show is that it is not the serialized. It is more episodic. It doesn't introduce a larger story arc until the end of season 2, and most of the time it ignores it. Here is what I wrote recently on my blog: I remember somewhat fondly the four different Star Trek Series that aired from 1987 to 2005, but especially Star Trek Deep Space Nine for its really interesting and vast assortment of colorful characters. It was the second most popular Star Trek Series of that era, behind Star Trek The Next Generation. It aired from 1993 to 1999. Star Trek The Next Generation spent a couple of years setting up Star Trek Deep Space Nine as a spin off series. It introduced two new alien races, the Cardassians who were the oppressors of the Bajorans. When Star Trek Deep Space Nine started, Cardassia had ended its occupation of Bajor, and The Federation was helping the new Bajoran provisional government get started. In the 90's I really loved this show. So much so I still remember most of the individual episodes. I found myself feeling nostalgic for the show, missing how much I enjoyed watching it. So I made an attempt to watch it again on Netflix Streaming. The problem with watching this show again is that nobody cares about Bajor anymore. We were only introduced to Bajor as a plot device for this series. We will probably never hear of Bajor again, because it is not part of the current Star Trek universe in films and TV shows. Most of the shows are episodic where they don't deal with a grand story arc, but instead focus on some sort of political strife on Bajor. I chose to not rewatch many of these episodes because they don't seem as interesting as they were when the show was new. Instead I chose to mostly rewatch the episodes that dealt with a larger story arc, which was introduced at the end of the first season. A new enemy is introduced, The Dominion, which is run by The Founders, who are intent on conquest. We get a big surprise when we learn that The Founders are the same alien race as one of the main characters on Deep Space Nine. The bad news is that the next four seasons would only barely touch this grand story arc, just three or four times per season. However, in the last couple of seasons the show hit high gear with an all out war between The Federation and The Dominion. What makes the show great is the characters. It has a variety of alien humanoids who are interesting and endearing. Many of the main characters are in one way or another outcasts from their respective societies. They develop relationships and mutual dependencies with the other characters, making the show very much a space opera, and a good one at that. After rewatching the series, I am impressed with the way it ended, and overall I am very pleased with the show because it has many layers in its storytelling. It weaves together many complex storylines over its seven year period. John Coffey
A far more ambitious show that people (outside of Trekkies) still gloss over when discussing landmark television. It has some of the most complex relationships and world building of any show I've seen.
I've seen all the Stsr Trek shows multiple times at this point including discovery so far and Picard (haven't seen lower decks though or the shorts) and DS9 is by far my favorite Star Trek. The story is just so good and they develop all of the characters so well. Not to mention many great acting performances by most of the cast.
Right. First Babylon 5 is officially credited as the winning the most awards for multi-episode/multi-season story-line because they invented the 5 year story arc. BattleStar Galactica isn't the most defining Sci Fi series, Doctor Who holds that title because of it's 55 year run. DS9 is known as the defining Star Trek simply because it is Rick Berman's baby, not Roddenberry's. That change in style is what made it unique.
I just finished watching DS9 on BBC America and thoroughly enjoyed it. I never was able to see the show in its original run, so it was a real revelation to see just how impressive it really was. It was at least an equal to TNG and in a lot of ways was actually a superior show. Star Trek never again reached the heights of the TNG-DS9 shows and probably never will again, IMO.
Okay, i agree with everything you say until you claim DS9 predicted the narrative arc of today's sci fi. It is generally accepted that B5 did this and not just for sci fi but television drama more broadly.
Love the shirt. DS 9 was an awesome show for one reason not mentioned. Every character with more than one episode was developed. We knew more about the tailor on DS9 than we did about the First Officer on Voyager.
The best part about Morn was you heard all of the stories but never actually witnessed him doing them. That is hard to do in television but they pulled it off.
The guy talking looks like he could play a good Vorta
Good one!
Actually, you're right.
His psychological profile should be required reading.
BlueArcher 15 reminds me of Bobby Flay
It is the order of things.
An interesting factoid is that when they made Trials and Tribbleations, Brooks and Farrell hadn't seen the Enterprise sets at all until they walked in for that first scene. Their facial reactions upon seeing how faithful the sets were compared to the original series were completely genuine. You look at their faces and for a second, you can really see that they've become kids again and their dream of being on the USS Enterprise had been fulfilled.
What I always loved about DS9 was the recurring characters that so dramatically shaped the story line. Garek, Gul Dukat, Damar, Chancellor Gowron, General Martok, Weyoun, the female Changeling, all of them really brought the story to life. I love how this show also told the viewpoints of those various characters, their motivations, why they acted like they did. It left to the viewer somewhat to judge them for what they did, yes there were good guys/bad guys in DS9, but their motives were left in the grey, both sides made you empathize with them.
I agree. Odo, Kira and Quark are really the only main characters that age well with this show.
It's the new vegas of the ST universe
Special shout out to Jeffrey Combs, who was excellent as both Brunt and Wayoun(s).
Duckmeister
Brunt F.C.A.
@@TKinfinity01 maybe you should talk to Worf again
Fun to see him in Babylon5, too!
HE PLAYED BRUNT???? I had no idea! Great actor
Mrs. Arthur Morgan he played the alien friend of Quark that wanted a holosuite program of Major Kira. In the end Kira finds out and changes the program to have her body, but have Quark’s head and voice. He also played a human cop in the episode in which Sisko is a Sci Fi writer in the 50s or 60s. His last role in DSN was a none speaking part as an background extra in Vic Fontaine’s club in the series finale. He actually made Weyoun(s) likable. I was sorry to see Weyoun 8 get killed, being he was the last clone, lol.
I think that his best role was in Star Trek Enterprise where he played Shran, the Andorian. His character’s arc and chemistry with Archer was great. Too bad there weren’t more seasons to see how his character would have evolved. And he played one of the Ferengi in the episode where the Enterprise was gassed by a group Ferengi space pirates. He was the one that guards Archer.
I think he was also on one episode of Voyager, but I never got into that series, and was the voice for a character in a ST video game.
As you can tell, I am a fan of his, going back to his horror movies like Re-Animator and The Frighteners (Michael J Fox) and his many H.P. Lovecraft movies/roles. He is a really great actor.
Garak is one of the best Charakters on Star Trek, every Scene he was in was gold, you never knew on what side he was or if he had something going on, the most memorable quotes came from him, props to the writers and the actor for that.
Bashir: Assuming you're not a spy...
Garak: Assuming.
Bashir: Then maybe you're an outcast.
Garak: Or maybe I'm an outcast spy.
Bashir: How could you be both?
Garak: I never said I was either.
Never tell the same lie twice.
I always though t he would help the crew, but not how and if he betrays them for that goal or not. And he is just a simple tailor.
He always made you intrigued hanging on every word.
Garak was DS9's Q and Picard in one.
There are two types of people in this world: people who believe DS9 is the best Trek ever and those who are wrong.
and who are still deciding whether or not to give it a watch
@@capo200christian so what's the verdict ?
@@Tampa3 live long and prosper
capo200christian Watch it! I am on season two and love the characters and story line, very well worth the watch.
@@brandonmichael873 i m currently watching season 1 episode 3
DS 9 wasn't the Star Trek we wanted, but it was the Star Trek we needed.
I didn't need it but I don't hate it. I do prefer my Trek to deal with ideas and big questions and I couldn't care less about drama, relationships, and war. Its just not interesting and there are many places to go for action & drama. I digress because Star Trek does need depth & growth if I want it to continue because its a future that I want, I just will choose to go to what I like but we can all find unity within the Trek-verse.
Waltham1892 truer words were never spoken
I'm here to tell the truth and chew bubble gum and I'm all out of bubble gum.
Deep space 9. was complete rip off of B5
Much anger do I sence in you...
Q: "You hit me, Picard never hit me.
Sisko: I'm not Picard.
Michael Halbert and then we never saw him again 🤣
This needs way more likes than it has.
And Q reply to Sisko: Indeed you are not. You are much easier to provoke.
"Everything you didn't know"
Anyone who's seen the show knew this stuff.
I didn't know the people who played Dr. Bashir and Kira married in real life. I enjoyed this video.
And spreads the debunkable tale of DS9 ripping off B5
Pho den do
I didn't know anything about this video by watching the show.
Pokerface I still enjoyed it
DS9 was the first Trek to deal with not only Religion but also War. Two things Roddenbery never wanted to touch upon in His Treks.
because he believed that at a certain point in time we'd be over such things and would always find the peaceful solution to everything like Picard did.
True but mostly he didn't want the network to object to certain episodes. You saw what happened when Kirk kissed Uhura. The show and network affiliates were boycotted in the southern US states.
Pup314 People are ridiculous.
"Dealing with Religion and also War" doesn't mean turning show to BSG. TNG had all these things, just in more subtle manner and bit different than typical audience was used to seeing.
The War was why I stopped watching. Star Trek was supposed to be a place where humans had overcome our warlike behavior. DS9 ruined that
Not enough info about the Founders or Cardassians. IMO Garak is the best actor in the series and a key one at that.
Glenn Miller yes definitely my favourite on the show too. He is hilarious in a dark and dry manner.
just had a conversation about this the other day with my brother. DS9 is THE BEST star trek show by far, best written, best conceived, best designed, groundbreaking, intelligent, relevant - with the worst actors (aside from Meaney, Shimerman and Combs).
Glenn Miller Dukat ain’t too shabby either. I’m glad you stoped orchestra rehearsal to comment, sir. I’ve always loved your music
roman c Worst actors? Are you smoking meth? Alaimo, Siddig, Robinson... All put in unbelievable performances.
Dukat is among my top 5 best TV villains of all time.
Two things made DS9 for me. The overall continuing story, particularly in the later years. Plus the sheer amount of great characters that were not part of the crew. Dukat, Weyoun, Damar, Garak, Kai Winn etc
The Tao of David DS9 also had the greatest villains in all of Trek. In ascending order Weyoun, The Female Changeling, Dukat and Kai Winn.
Oh yeah Veyoun is sooooo awesome!!!!!
@@politicalincorectness3739 garak
I like that speech Sisko gave about earth calling it paradise and they have no clue what's going on in the frontier
Have a glass of Kanar, with Damar :D
Hah! ONE glass?? It's Damar! Hope you can hold your liquor 😉
My God, it just hit me that DS9 is 25yrs old!!!
makes you feel you age huh?
Thanks for making me feel old.... -_-
Shocking feel like I’ve just popped out the worm hole and time travelled for that 🤣
Crying
Yeah,my kid was born in 6th season and now he's becoming an officer of the M Corp.
My God...
...but what was the "everything we didn't know"? Great series guide, but almost zero behind the scenes or little-known trivia.
I didn't know the Ferengi were originally supposed to have giant dongs.
bait n' switch
Think there were two things I did not know, and yes, the dongs were one of them.
Giant dongs? That would explain why the ladies loved Rom
@@taopilot2669 They weren't, they were supposed to have giant noses....and rub their hands alot.
Was great trek show. Stories, writers etc. Love how it had continuing story lines, and small sideline stories. Great characters
Not only did it watch the series during its original run and reruns, I've gone thru it episode by episode about 6 times on NetFlix and Amazon. Great series to rewatch...
I remember when it first came out, how the hard-core trekkies laughed at it as: "To boldly go....nowhere".
You forgot to mention that DS9 had by far the strongest supporting cast of any Trek.
It rapidly became my favorite when it was on. I hosted a party to watch it's series finale! Such a rich, complex stew of different cultures with different social structures, governing systems, religions, etc. sometimes clashing and sometimes working together. I always thought of it as the grounded counterpart to The Next Generation. TNG had the post-Cold War, peace dividend optimism that assumed the fall of Berlin War was about to unleash humankind's full potential. DS9 saw the same events and realized what was actually happening was the lid was being taken off of innumerable smaller conflicts the Cold War had suppressed. For humankind to evolve, we first had to face all our chaotic diversity and messy problems and come out successfully on the other side.
I second that! I find it interseting that discovery is doing something very similar and yet seems to be getting the oposite responce from most die hard fans of the series. I am not one of them though, I actually find it's newish approach refreshing and am getting to like it more and more as it progresses.
To me STD is the worst and I mean worst tv series of all time. It is so
poorly written. Sure there are issues I could point out like the
awkward camera work or lense flares but those are trivial compared to horrible characters, bad acting and the worst writing ever. Sonar
doesn't work in space you can't use it to detect a cloaked ship
dumbasses, the writers not anyone in this thread. How in the world can vulcans now use the force, wrong series, to communicate over light years? Why would Sarek adopt a human as his own when he had a son already?
Actually I both TNG and DS9 went darker after the fall of the Berlin Wall (DS9 being created after it). TNG became seriously darker, with the introduction of the Cardassians and the Maquis and the episode with Picard getting tortured. And that all spilled over into/was parallel with DS9. Another key element was the death of visionary optimist/socialist ideologue Gene Roddenberry, who brought some great stories to TNG but also some idealistic, simplistic and sometimes sexist BS that was best left in the 60's. With him gone the franchise could modernize.
TNG had single ... 'flaw'. As Marina Sirtis put it it was "Two Man Show" of Patrick Stewart and Brent Spinner. For all the effort of remaining cast and writers, these two have fit the writing so perfectly that inadvertently they have just dominated the set.
I do think DS9 is really strong but I like TNG more because personally for me the way they show the Bajoran religion really annoys me and doesn’t feel like Star Trek
And yes i was hook on BABYLON 5 untill the end season and never thought deep space nine and babylon 5 was copping each other.
Both shows was awesome.
Me my opinion Sche I always thought it was a Bug's Life/Antz situation. One company came up with the idea, the other heard of it and then ran with it. DS9 was more family friendly though. I haven't seen Babylon 5 since it aired, but I would like to
Space Station commander who becomes the religious leader of an alien race. Both DS9 and Babylon 5.
Sadly, I hear they messed up the HD print of Babylon 5, meaning it is nearly impossible to update the CGI, because of a poorly formatted live action video.
@@Dularr the CGI was rendered directly to VHS that was why it did not transition the HD and TNT through out all the Hard drives.
@@Dularr Also the current CEO of Warner Brothers absolutely despises J. Michael Straczynski' and Babylon 5 and has publicly stated that he will not release the TV series rights ever. So that is the reason that we haven't see other spin offs or reboots because other studios want the TV rights before making movies and such. The contact that J. Michael Straczynski made with WB was for the life of the signing entity +50 years, with WB being the signer. So basically unless WB sells or releases the rights J. Michael Straczynski would have to wait till WB folds +50 years to get them back.
I loved Babylon 5. And Deep Space Nine.
same here
Yes B5 was great. Went to the first B5 convention. It was just part of a bigger scificon...Convention promoters under estimated b5 fan base ...
Both are great, and very, very, different from one another. So much so that I came to think that people saying one ripped off the other only saw one (or neither) series. They are like night and day, to any sci-fi fan worth their salt.
Well, there are similarities. But that goes with the territory. I like both shows, too.
Best 2 sci-fi shows ever liked b 5 a little better
Give it up for my boy garrek, one of the greatest characters ever made. Everything about DS9 was amazing, i still go back and rewatch it all the time.
The Ferengi actually did save the universe as without Quark and Rom working to foil the Dominion plans in the early episodes of season six the Defiant would probably have been destroyed before it reached the wormhole in Sacrifice of Angels.
Oomaks= eargasm.
To me this was best Star Trek show ever
Thomas Riddell #Truth I totally agree sir 1000000%
It truly truly was. I wish to God they would remake it with the original actors! Who cares if they're 25 years older! It's Hollywood! They can do anything!
Agreed!
Yep! It was my favorite ST as well.
YES!!! BY A MILE!!!
Best written Star Trek show.
Yup
Agreed. "In the Pale Moonlight" is my all-time favorite Star Trek episode.
Oh Really?!
If that is the case then how do you explain the utter shitness in the following episodes:
Let He Who Is Without Sin
You Are Cordially Invited
Far Beyond The Stars
The Sound Of Her Voice
Take Me Out To The Holosuite
Badda Bing Badda Bang
Prodigal Daughter (even the producers apologised for that fucking shit)
Chimera
What You Leave Behind
Every fucking shit cringe worthy Prophet and Pah Wraiths episodes. The Sisko this and The Sisko that (oh shut the fuck up).
Out with The Dominion, The Mirror Universe (except for that garbage The Emperor's New Cloak) and the utter amazing Trials And Tribble-ations there were hardly any decent DS9 episodes.
Even the creators admit that Worf was brought in to improve ratings as Babylon 5 was absolutely annihilating it even winning "Best Sci-Fi Show" TWICE!
I still prefer Voyager and TNG, but, yeah, DS9 is a great addition to the Trek universe.
Nerd Musk
It's a FAAAAAAAAAAAKKKKEEEE
O'Brien was never ever bugged, bothered, or annoyed enough ... LOL
One of the funnest episodes was when the runabout was shrunk down, and then the Defiant was captured. :D
Though, the marital spats he had with Keiko were very realistic.
That war against the dominion in DS9 was spectacular.
In my opinion, Star Fleet were the bad guys in that war.
It was epic. Now imagine if it got a 2019 remaster. Making the battles look even more insane.
Jane No, that’s silly. The Dominion were absolutely the bad guys who worked from day one towards the goal of subjugating the entire alpha and beta quadrants.
Starfleet were morally ambiguous, they were ignorant, they were often wrong in their actions but they were not the bad guys and they had no intention of being in a war with anyone.
I had a lot of thoughts when the Dominion occupied the station and Odo was constantly in the link/having sex with the founder and how much he changed to be so horribly indifferent. It seems like the Link is like a big old drug, they're all drug addicts and "slave" to the Link, so it all made so much sense for them to make the Jem'Hadar drug addicts and them, the Vorta and everyone else slaves for their pleasure. I never thought the founders sounded "bad" or "evil" in their own logic, they were just blinded by their own drug addiction to their paradise, the Link. And how could one deny them their form of existense? I would be so excited to hear what happened further with the Federation/Dominon treaty and Odo's presence in the Link, if they could change their mindset.
Worf's greatest moment.
So, if the OG Star Trek was supposed to be the Wagon Train of space and DS9 the Rifleman of space? Is Voyager the Gilligan's Island of space?
No, more like the Robinson Crusoe crew . . . in space . . . which, was what Gilligan's Island was also based on. Just not in space.
That prize goes to Star Trek Enterprise, I think.
The Lost In Space of space
Ever hear of Gilligan’s Planet? Yeah...that was a thing. They built a rocket ship made out of trees/bamboo and accidentally flew to another planet.
I hate to think what STD would be
DS9 is finally getting some love!
Yup!
I got into some heated arguments over DS9
Theses last few years I feel vindicated by the support the show now gets
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Joseph Higgs I know right..bout damn time too!🤗👍
Ah, Ds9. My favorite Star Trek series. It produced the most intriguing supporting cast of the franchise and at the top of that cast stands Elim Garak. Such an amazing character played by a talented actor.
A passover story! How did I miss that? Well done! Also, In the Pale Moonlight is the greatest rumination on post 9/11 ethics in sci-fi which is amazing since it came out in 1998. It really was amazing...
I don't see the In the Pale Moonlight connection with "post-9/11 ethics." That episode was about lying and cheating and murdering to get a huge empire to join a just fight that was already being fought in earnest. 9/11 forced us to ask questions about things like torture, xenophobia, domestic spying, wars of choice and pre-emptive wars, and lying to start a war. There are plenty of TV episodes and movies in the franchise that touch on these things in a more direct way. TNG's Chain of Command was all about torture. It was both gripping and hard to watch.
I get chills from Sisko's speech
@@miconis123 computer, delete that *entire* personal log.
I CAN live with it
I remember reading that the basis for the show was “Gunsmoke”. There was the towns people, the bar, the marshal and people who come in and out of the city. Giving many opportunities for storylines.
DS9 is THE best incarnation of Trek, everything that has come after it has steadily plummeted in quality.
Agreed. TNG, DS9 and Voyager were the "golden years" of Star Trek. With "Discovery" we have reached rock bottom (hopefully). It can't get any worse than that, can it?
Don’t forget that Bryan Fuller was a writer for this show, and he went on to create Hannibal, and Pushing Daisies. It’s definitely groundbreaking in a lot of ways
Awesome characters on this show.
And the Dominion War arc was some seriously epic TV.
I think if you revise this or update it you should add a parenthetical when mentioning Garrak that the character we are introduced to as plain simple Garrak turns out to be one of the most internally conflicted and complicated and best acted characters in the history of television. In fact, one of the things I enjoyed so much about DS9 was its ability to take even a very minor character that barely has a name in the storyline and almost no speaking lines and over a period of several seasons develop the character into a major integral component of the central storyline, making the internal moral makeup of the character cause the main storyline to veer sideways in unpredictable directions, and we get to see the personalities of these characters grow as they are themselves shaped by the events in the storyline. Odo is probably the first one they did that with, starting the series as something of a side-show to the main characters like Sisko, Obrien, Bashir, Dax, Kira, etc., and later becoming perhaps the central character of the entire show, Damar (who I don't remember was even mentioned), Weyoon (sp??) (who is also not mentioned), the unnamed female changeling leader, Kai Winn, and some that were cut short like Kai Opaca.
I always had a feeling about those Kardashians being aliens
Jadzia is cuter than them all.
@@patrickmcshane7658 So true.
Yup, she's Irish.
@marsdog Be more specific when you explain it: Those Kardashians are lizard-like aliens.
Yep. They look out of this world, but are totally unlike (normal) humanity
Not to mention the best dialogs and superb acting ANd the best villains in Dukat and Garak. The episodes with any of either one are my favorites.
The greatest Star Trek. In part, because of the brilliance that is B5.
Some of the best Star Trek episodes ever too. Check out Far Beyond the Stars, The Visitor, or In Pale Moonlight.
I don't think it's right to give even partial credit to, "B5," for the success of, "DSN." I think, "DSN," is just fine, without being compared to, "B5." It can stand on its own two feet. Thank you very much!
Yes Avery Brooks hated the Far beyond the stars story so much he directed the episode!
It was, by far, the best Star Trek series. The stories were well written and the acting was superb.
TriColoredTiger will do!
577AllWell It takes a special kind of sicko to hadwave away portraits of racist America as divisive propaganda. Please, get help.
This segment definitely covers 99.9% of what I love about Deep Space Nine. The only thing missing was honorable mention of the Federation/Bajoran defection movement known as the Maquis, which was introduced on Next Generation and DS9 as a device to prepare viewers for events to come during Voyager.
The first episode of DS9 is the first time the prophets meet Sisko. And also the first time they really understand what is the linear time life form, thanks to Sisko's teaching. So they made him their emissary. In order to ensure their encounter with Sisko, they even send one of them to possess Sisko's mother for a while. Since they are out of time, it may seem to be a logical thing to do. Even though it brings a lot of confusion and paradoxes for Sisko's origin.
One of my top two favorite SCI FI TV episodes.
DS9 - In the Pale Moonlight
BSG - Exodus (featuring the Adama Maneuver)
Well you can easily tell it was down without Roddenberry, he was an atheist you would have never had anything to do with spirituality in a Star Trek if he had his way. We would have missed all the rich story behind the Klingon gods and the Bajorin Prophets.
Initially Roddenberry was against the idea of DS9 because he didn't think people within the Federation (namely Humans) shouldn't have internal conflicts and have character drama. However, before passing away, one if his last 'official' acts was to give his blessing to the production of DS9. It sort of makes me happy to know that even if he had nothing to do with it's creation, he was aware of the existence of the show before his death.
Nathan Tinney that is why the show takes place on a Bajoran space station and not a Federation space station. This side stepped the issue, since they weren't a part of the Federation. Basically you were allowed to create conflicts. So there was very little conflict between federation officers, but plenty in the other aliens in the show who weren't a part of that.
Kenny S DS9 is the show that poked holes in ST's utopianism. Silly utopia.
Kenny S, you clearly didn't watch the same original series I did.
I'll take any season of DS9 over the space hippies, the crazy woman who wanted to mindswap with Kirk, or another episode of WE FOUND A PLANET THAT IS IDENTICAL TO EARTH. BY COMPLETE COINCIDENCE.
And Gene Roddenberry wanted utopianism for tng. Oddly show quality improved the less he was involved, unless you think season1 tng is best.
And the romantic and funny klingon wedding.
Loved this show as a kid. Still do.
I know it sounds sad but when it ended especially the final scene i felt i had lost something special that had been a part of my life for 7 years and i had never had that reaction to any TV show ever.
t s I know EXACTLY what you mean. That station felt like home. (“When did we start thinking of that Cardassian monstrosity as home?”) The characters felt like family. And I have felt the show’s absence keenly for the last 18 years, since the day I saw that last scene of Jake and Kira stood at the promenade window and we drift away from the station as it disappears into the Denorios Belt. 😢
I have to admit the series finale was kind of a tear jerker as well. It made you feel as if you lost part of your family.
It really is a complicated story when you try to explain it. Throw in the changeling infiltration, Klingon - Cardassian War, Dominion-Cardassian Alliance and then their rebellion. It's just awesome and it's only the tip of the iceberg.
"Everything you didn't know"
Me: "Try me"
I remember the show runners calling out the O'Brien must suffer episodes. And yet, his dealt with probably some of the most human issues. For example PTSD, racism, loyalty, right to life for his daughter (aged), marital temptation, surrogate child birth. I have come to respect those stories far more.
"The Sisko is of Bajor, but he will find no peace there"
I truly appreciate you putting on this video.
The Tribble episode was the best!!!
I was in college when the 3 series were all on at the same time. Including reruns, You could watch 3 or 4 hours a night of star trek using over the air channels. We didn't know how good we had it then!
I see you have access to wikipedia
One of the things that I think made DS9 the greatest Trek series was that in some ways it was a coming of age story for the Federation. They had to rethink their ideas if taking families on deep space exploration missions. The change of ship type between the Enterprise D and E are emblematic of that attitude shift, as well as the introduction of the Defiant class ships. The Enterprise D had virtually been a lightly armed luxury liner, whereas the Enterprise E was a streamlined war machine designed to take on the likes of the Dominion and the Borg. The Federation didn't loose its values, but it did shed some of its naivety. It had to relearn the old maxim of Peace through Strength. It couldn't afford to be complacent any longer about the threats in the broader Galaxy.
I loved your explanation! I always thought of DS9 as epic in scope. More so than any other Star Trek series. (yes I've watched all of them. Even the cartoon)
DS9 in a way was the thinking person's Star Trek.
+bdr32965 nah, DS9 was great, but TNG was clearly the thinking person's Star Trek. Way intellectually deeper, and much more committed to tackling moral problems - in DS9, problems of any sort were generally tackled with a phaser (or, indeed, with a biogenic weapon).
Kira - probably the most hardest believable character ever written. Garak - probably the best character ever written. He had awesome lines, conniving thoughts, and physical and mentally capable of carrying out his tasks. In one show Kira could beat 3 Cardassians single handed, then the next show, she can't outmaneuver either a human or a Bajoran. Like wtf?
Trivia: Which Breaking Bad actors also appeared in a Star Trek series? Answers below.
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Mark Margolis (Hector Salamanca / Nel Apgar - TNG )
Raymond Cruz (Tuco Salamanca / Vargas - DS9)
John DeLancie (Donald Margolis / Q - TNG, DS9, Voyager)
Jonathan Banks (Mike Ehrmantraut / Shel-la - DS9)
They had such good characters. Garak and Odo are amazing.
Great retrospective! but you left out some of the key friendships in the series. Most notably O'Brien and Bashir.
Matt Trudewind -I used to get a kick out of seeing them come out from a halosuite dressed all weird. Bashir was always like "why do you get to be...." and O'brien would reply that he was related to whoever it was by some byzantine twist of genealogy
Joe Leek just as he did about the union episode.
can't remember the episode or plot but the two of them got rat-arsed drunk, sitting on the floor of their quarters?
great stuff!
I tried to get into this series twice and only made it halfway through the first season. The third time was the charm, however, and now it's my favorite because the politics were so complex with the faith-based Bajor and science-based Starfleet. Throw in the brutal Cardassians and The Dominion....what a great show!
People don't realise how important this show was not just for Star Trek but for television as a whole. IT pioneered serialized storytelling and it along with the Sopranos and Twin Peaks put the foundation down for the unbelievable television we have today. Without these shows like Game Of Thrones never would have happen.
Matthew Teeter -yeah we would. B5 did the long plot arc.
Joe Leek DS9 had considerably higher ratings, and was a critical success to boot. Babylon 5 was great but it just never had the reach the DS9 did.
Matthew Teeter -Good call on twin peaks btw. B5 still needs to be on the list. Without it, we most likely wouldn't have seen ds9. I acknowledge the mainstream appeal vs the cult following.
Joe Leek Despite DS9 having the dubious origins ( Paramount stealing the idea) It did start one year earlier then B5 :)
Matthew Teeter -and did it immediately drop into the long plot arc or did that happen after b5 did it?
Deep space 9 made me a Star Trek fan when I was obsessed with Star Wars and I still love that show and would love a sequel set In 2400.
Season 6 alone makes it the best overall. TNG is right there, but DS9 gets the edge for the sheer daring in its approach to confronting moral and ethical ambiguities. Kira is a former freedom fighter/terrorist/assassin, Odo is a former (unwilling) collaborator, Sisko commits so many ethical, moral, and legal violations in order to save the Alpha Quadrant he'd be a war criminal in actuality, and yet there's so much nuance in the storytelling it not only makes sense but makes us both love and hate these characters, oftentimes simultaneously. Such a great show.
Courtney Valdez now I really want to watch it lol
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Has some (very) mild spoilers, but nothing gamebreaking.
Courtney Valdez -context is for kings
This was a wonderful video!! Thank you so much!!
I don't know how you can stand hanging out with Morn. He never shuts up!
But he was very witty and a great conversationalist. Even Jadzia had a thing for him before Worf
Armin Shimerman told us at a concention that he almost got the actor who plays morn fired. He kept telling him to ask for lines, and the producers did not want the character to speak. That episode where he faked his own death was pretty funny as people were commenting about how he never shut up LOL.
It paved the way for one of the greatest STAR TREK shows ever.
Victory is life.
Super987987 Obedience brings Victory
For my son, for all our sons.
We are all dead.
Glory to The Founders in all things.
Victory is life!
The Rifleman!!!When it comes to the relationship between a single father & his son,TR & DS9 are the 2 best TV series
I watched every episode of DS9 in it's original run and never once did I think of the Cardassians as "lizard like."
Meamishere their skin and neck look like alligators!
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I don't see it. The Jem'Hadar on the other hand look like friggen dinosaur men.
In the pale moonlight is the best StarTrek story ever. Sisko and Garack were both great in it.
I never considered Sisko to be a Moses-like figure, to be honest. For a long time, I considered him to be more of a, "messianic," figure in the, "Star Trek," universe. I think both comparisons can be made.
Yeah Sisko as Jesus is a better analogy, although I do like the Dukat-Pharaoh comparison.
Mrreciprocat -you should check out Joseph Campbell. There is an interview he did with Bill Moyers on youtube somewhere.
He eventually gets back , he told his wife to wait. I think he is more of a mix between several messiah figures.
How did I only see this now?
Great tribute to a beloved show. Big thanks
Wish you had more to tell us about Garak, Dukat, Brunt/Weyoun (same actor, I believe) among other great characters. Plus the behind the scenes drama that made working on DS9 so different than TNG.
Weyoun is the alian who wants kiras hologram too. The best character on Enterprise Shran. And some others
My son Ben born in1998 was named after captain Sisco.
Kid you not. I loved that show.
Deep star 9 is my favorite star trek franchise. I just watched re watched it on Netflix.
DS9 is the best Trek series by FAR! It pushed the envelope way further than ANY other scifi before by far! The depth of the characters, storylines & overall feel of the show was unique & the blueprint for other shows today!
By far the best of the Star Trek.
IMHO one of the best television shows ever. Not only Star Trek but all tv.
It wasn't just that the Ferengi were disliked. They were comical and it was decided they made a terrible villain in TNG.
They were disliked because they made a terrible villain. And... space whips. Just stop.
What really set DS9 apart was the quality of storytelling and the acting. During it 7 seasons, it was nominated many times. There were so many excellent stories, it's hard to pick one out though Duet and Far Beyond The Stars were fantastic.
I love ds9, it's remains the greatest
I was 16 years old when DS9 went off the air. So much of what was going on I had no idea came from real life lol But Vic Fontaine was my absolute favorite. I learned about big band music from him and still love it to this day, particularly Bobby Darrin thanks to Beyond the Sea. DS9 was the best Star Trek.
Beats me, I loved this show when it was first run. I'm so glad it's gained popularity over time (esp when shows like STD are out there, calling themselves Trek).
Sisko was the best captain my option. Like a cross between Captain Kirk and Picard with a mean right hook.
Peldor Joi, everybody!
My problem with rewatching the show is that it is not the serialized. It is more episodic. It doesn't introduce a larger story arc until the end of season 2, and most of the time it ignores it.
Here is what I wrote recently on my blog:
I remember somewhat fondly the four different Star Trek Series that aired from 1987 to 2005, but especially Star Trek Deep Space Nine for its really interesting and vast assortment of colorful characters. It was the second most popular Star Trek Series of that era, behind Star Trek The Next Generation. It aired from 1993 to 1999.
Star Trek The Next Generation spent a couple of years setting up Star Trek Deep Space Nine as a spin off series. It introduced two new alien races, the Cardassians who were the oppressors of the Bajorans. When Star Trek Deep Space Nine started, Cardassia had ended its occupation of Bajor, and The Federation was helping the new Bajoran provisional government get started.
In the 90's I really loved this show. So much so I still remember most of the individual episodes. I found myself feeling nostalgic for the show, missing how much I enjoyed watching it. So I made an attempt to watch it again on Netflix Streaming.
The problem with watching this show again is that nobody cares about Bajor anymore. We were only introduced to Bajor as a plot device for this series. We will probably never hear of Bajor again, because it is not part of the current Star Trek universe in films and TV shows. Most of the shows are episodic where they don't deal with a grand story arc, but instead focus on some sort of political strife on Bajor. I chose to not rewatch many of these episodes because they don't seem as interesting as they were when the show was new.
Instead I chose to mostly rewatch the episodes that dealt with a larger story arc, which was introduced at the end of the first season. A new enemy is introduced, The Dominion, which is run by The Founders, who are intent on conquest. We get a big surprise when we learn that The Founders are the same alien race as one of the main characters on Deep Space Nine. The bad news is that the next four seasons would only barely touch this grand story arc, just three or four times per season. However, in the last couple of seasons the show hit high gear with an all out war between The Federation and The Dominion.
What makes the show great is the characters. It has a variety of alien humanoids who are interesting and endearing. Many of the main characters are in one way or another outcasts from their respective societies. They develop relationships and mutual dependencies with the other characters, making the show very much a space opera, and a good one at that.
After rewatching the series, I am impressed with the way it ended, and overall I am very pleased with the show because it has many layers in its storytelling. It weaves together many complex storylines over its seven year period.
John Coffey
Best Star Trek Everrrrrr!!!!!! Deep Space Nine.
A far more ambitious show that people (outside of Trekkies) still gloss over when discussing landmark television.
It has some of the most complex relationships and world building of any show I've seen.
I've seen all the Stsr Trek shows multiple times at this point including discovery so far and Picard (haven't seen lower decks though or the shorts) and DS9 is by far my favorite Star Trek. The story is just so good and they develop all of the characters so well. Not to mention many great acting performances by most of the cast.
I got halfway through this video and when you started talking about the Sisko-Moses comparison my inner academic geek was like WRITE A PAPER ON THIS.
I really enjoyed this! Thank You!
Right. First Babylon 5 is officially credited as the winning the most awards for multi-episode/multi-season story-line because they invented the 5 year story arc. BattleStar Galactica isn't the most defining Sci Fi series, Doctor Who holds that title because of it's 55 year run. DS9 is known as the defining Star Trek simply because it is Rick Berman's baby, not Roddenberry's. That change in style is what made it unique.
DS9 was by far and still is the best Star Trek series.
I just finished watching DS9 on BBC America and thoroughly enjoyed it. I never was able to see the show in its original run, so it was a real revelation to see just how impressive it really was. It was at least an equal to TNG and in a lot of ways was actually a superior show. Star Trek never again reached the heights of the TNG-DS9 shows and probably never will again, IMO.
Wish they'd get Babylon 5 on Netflix, I never got a chance to see it
Draeas Talonsbane - you could look for some dvds on wish app or ebay. They're not too expensive.
Its actually on the Amazon streaming service right now! ;)
Or on less official streaming sites.
Try Hulu I think it was on it but that was several years ago.
It's on Amazon Prime video!
The only show I binge watch every couple years.
Okay, i agree with everything you say until you claim DS9 predicted the narrative arc of today's sci fi. It is generally accepted that B5 did this and not just for sci fi but television drama more broadly.
Love the shirt.
DS 9 was an awesome show for one reason not mentioned. Every character with more than one episode was developed. We knew more about the tailor on DS9 than we did about the First Officer on Voyager.
While you are there, go see Garak and buy a better suite, please!
I think you will find that Garak was a tailor rather than a carpenter... (ftlol)
I have yet to see a carpenter build a suite for anyone.
lol
The best part about Morn was you heard all of the stories but never actually witnessed him doing them. That is hard to do in television but they pulled it off.