Driving Electric Vehicles - Not much different to any other car or van
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- Опубликовано: 8 апр 2022
- Driving an electric car or van, which is mostly the same as vehicles powered by other fuels.
Van used: Citroen e-Dispatch 50kWh.
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I was really not expecting those colourful trainers. 😎
I think those are required for operating an electric car.
Required for running away fast when the battery bursts into flames!
0:53 Can we get a thumbs up for Johns amazing trainers!
JW with his dry humour is a joy to watch. One of a kind on RUclips that's for sure.
John’s back! Been a while new hairdo too 👍
Absolutely love your humour, great to see you back. Millionaires row and roads full of holes, love it.
More than one kind of hole, I'm thinking.
Those upper percenters don't want their tax dollars spent on roads or bridges, the rough edges accelerate the depreciation of their vehicle thus advancing the pleasure inherent in those next purchases sooner to be made.
Actually it'll be roots from the trees on the avenue that make the road a mess.
@@owensmith7530 More than likely. lack of maintenance as all the UK.
Those are some funky trainers!
Great to see you again J. W. 👍
As an automotive tech if you gave me the choice between a mechanical or electronic handbrake I would go for the mechanical option every time.
I have seen far to many electronic brake calipers fail costing in the three figures per side.
On top of that many manufacturers require you to have a diagnostic tool (costing in the four figures) to be able to wind the pistons back due to the calipers being electronic.
If you don't have the tool you cannot change the caliper, rear pads or discs which are & wear item.
The mechanical handbrake on the other hand has very few failure points & is much more reliable with the plus that it is easy & cheap to maintain either by yourself or your mechanic.
Ugh it's just greed. They could probably provide a (failsafe) switch that retracts them sited somewhere out of harms way, but instead they've engineered it to require a specific tool that probably only they are licensed to supply.
If something is operated by rods, wires, cable and no motors are used, I refer to it as being "mechanical" all steering is manual, not automatic. All windows are manual, one is assisted.
All mechanical inputs having a direct effect. But that's me.
@@forevercomputing but electric windows are driven up and down by motor... your example doesn't even work!
@@TheErador no rods, not mechanical. Can you use it without a battery or a pump?
Also with a real hand brake you have a back up, in the unlikely event your going down a hill and you lose a seal on master cylinder and all fluid from the master cylinder or even the linkage from the pedal the the cylinder
I presume the car "knows best" and wont let you put on the hand breaking when driving (and you would also want a bit of pressure control not just all or nothing)
The switches are stupid !
Nice trainers!
Thank you John, more videos please we miss you x
I hope this means big clive does his JW impression tonight in the livestream lol
Yay! Good to see you JW, hope you and yours are well.
JW’s delivery is the professorial delivery of a circa 1970-1990 open university math lecturer….long May it continue - brilliant.
The best part was those trainers 😂
Welcome back john, I am so glad that you posted a video, I hope you can continue.
Good to see you again JW. Great video.
Its Nice to see you Back. I love all your videos.
Great to see you back on YT John!
So happy to see you upload again, gave a lovely evening or whatever time it is when/if you read this
Great to see you back John!
Good to see you back. Was beginning to worry until dses said you were active on twitter.
Love your trainers mate :)
Good to see you back Mr Ward.
Great to see you back J.W.
Great to see you back!
Good to see you John !
Excellent video, JW, tongue firmly in cheek and I do hope Artisan is watching this?!
welcome back to YT, JW!
Blimey John, was about to send out a search party! 😏 Glad you’re safe and well!
Really wanted to see JW connect the load of an EV through various Wagos and see which one fails first. 😃
Great to have you back john👍 Can you melt something in your back garden? Just for old time sake🤣👍
Fantastic JW is back
Nice to see you again, Glad you have escaped the house. cheers John.
Great to see you back!!!! please give us some videos on BS7671 amendment 2 2022!!!
Love the shoes John
I thought you'd left RUclips JW - no , back with an absolute deadpan perfect hilarious wind up - I loved it, laughed all the way through.
He had been over with us doing stuff.
Oh I love a JW action video 👍👍
Hey jw great to see you agian
Looking forward to having a spin soon pal.
There's something about JWs videos that sort of told me he would go for an electric vehicle.... I bet he's a secret back to the future guy with a hidden flux capacitor somewhere
Them trainers wow nice video as normal 👍
Hi John, nice to see another video from you, regarding mechanical handbrakes, you said that you couldn't see any reason for them, as you know the handbrake has two functions, one used to park the vehicle, the other is as an emergency brake which you can apply progressively, most electronic handbrakes have only on or off, therefore possibly locking up the back wheels, it may be possible the more sophisticated vehicles can apply the brake according to the speed of the vehicle, but most don't..
Regards, from Ray in North Wales..
Great review
Haven't watched this video yet but... Nice trainers! 👍
All hail the JW trainers of joy!!
Welcome back!
Wasn't expecting those shoes
Good to see you again John. I noticed that strangely your van didn't catch fire because as we all know, all electric vehicles catch fire all the time.
I always have a bag of giant marshmallows and some kabab sticks in the glovebox, just in case. So far, no joy...
Sounds like a real old banger clattering and rattling along - at least quiet when stopped ha ha.
Hi John missed your contributions recently.
Just wondered if you could do a video on earthing arrangements for a smallish (upto say 10kW) standby generator connected via either manual or auto transfer switch to the consumer unit of a house.
Hi John. Different from your usual fare. I was very pleased with your comments about applying the handbrake at traffic lights. So many idiots, don't know, or care, about the driver behind. Nice one.
To be fair, stop start systems require you to press the brakes constantly, if you apply the handbrake the engine will restart.that still leaves lots of people needlessly pressing the brakes.
@@conorlanders8401 In an automatic that's true. In the manual I had for a while you only needed to release the clutch pedal while in Neutral for it to stop. Although if you were on an incline and started rolling it would restart even with released clutch and in neutral.
You're still alive! I was starting to worry about you.
I had id3 . All the I have to think if I will have enough charge for the day . Especially when driving in winter and your heating eats the battery
Great vid
mechanical handbrake and a physical key are sometimes chosen as part of the "safety case" for a vehicle. If an accident occurs it's very easy to inspect a mechanical handbrake and say it was working fine, with the electronic version it's less easy to confirm that some software didn't mess up. Similarly, if a keyswitch is able to cut off power to the motor without much software intervention it's easier to show that you will always be able to stop the vehicle - have a look for "Sudden Unintended Acceleration"
Omg, such a long time
I thought you was dead
I love how we in the UK say "IF" you have driven an automatic transmission , and in the US its "IF" you have driven a manual.
In fab I got my first PHEV vehicle (Volvo xc 40) i’ve been using the B position and I can increase and decrease the amount of braking force my moving the gear selector to the left or right and I also have selected the auto hold which means the handbrake is on when I stop at lights or park,
I always wonder does is vary then the brake lights come on depending on the amount of "Deceleration" (I know there is no such thing as Deceleration) so if you slow down a little it does no brake lights, but a lot, bring them on, I always wonder how it would affect a driver behind that takes no notice of that is going on around them.
@@maxusboostus Having seen a couple of Tesla's get rear ended in Sussex I can confirm the brake lights don't always come on even under heavy regen braking. I think most companies now do have brake lights come on under heavier regen because vehicles started to get written off.
@@effervescence5664 surely that fails roadworthiness tests?
One small diesel van I drove (Fiesta Diesel) manual, didn't like 2 pedals being used brake and throttle. I had good reason to use them both, so it cuts off the throttle.
The electric van I used has no creep which I expect of automatics, otherwise - give me a clutch and I'll manage it.
Larger electric vehicles having a strong retarder so in order to not slow down but to keep going I have to use the throttle. Then I discover that retarders come in different varieties and different usage scenarios.
Still hate autos and on hills the thing rolls back or the throttle locks out because "safety" and I want the throttle NOW so I know it is going to go and not just roll back.
Nice shoes John
Hi John - good to see you back - was worried by your absence! As an owner of a couple of EVs since June last year I am now familiar with the subjects covered but such a video would have been really useful when I was getting the first one. Here are a couple of additional things I've picked up since then which might be useful to new owners. Firstly the best current advice regarding looking after your lithium ion traction battery cells is, don't leave them at 100% charge unless you are about to go on a long journey and need all your capacity. It is better to keep the battery between 50% and 80% and top up as required. Frequent small charges are less bad for the battery than infrequent large ones. Secondly, all EVs have a small 12 volt battery for things like lighting, radio, central locking etc. in addition to the main traction battery but unlike the big battery up to now most of the 12 volt ones are, bizarrely, lead acid types. In addition the 12 volt batteries in many EVs are not charged from the main battery unless the vehicle is in drive mode so it is not a good idea to sit in an EV listening to the radio with the lights on etc without putting the car in drive, or utility mode first. There are videos about this on RUclips showing owners having to manually unlock cars and "jump start" the 12 volt battery to enable the vehicle to restart which appears to be a known issue with some Hyundais!
"Current advice"...Good one! 😁
Nice shoes!
It is now compulsory under the Road Traffic Act to wear suitably multi coloured Trainers to drive one of the vehicles
I have a Zappi too. Not bad, but the designer was responsible for the first generation ImmerSun solar diverter, which was shockingly bad (ping me for pics). That said, my setup with Zappi and Eddi works OK, albeit with no API I can integrate with my Loxone smart home. I use MODBUS meters to close the gap a bit.
Do the brake lights come on when driving in b when your foot is off the accelerator
Thank-you that was interesting. Did I hear you say " it takes 30 seconds to charge!!!" What sort of range do you have and what happens to that range if the heater is on in the Winter.
30 second to plug in and then leave it overnight. Can't speak for the range john gets but I get about 180 miles per charge on the 75kwh version. The heater does drop range a bit but you probably wouldnt want to leave it on constantly as the cabin will heat up very quickly and be quite uncomfortable if you left it running.
good vid.. no ev bs just the what you need to know and to the point... 10/10
John, glad to see you're back. Have you seen the Artisan Electrics channel? He has had some bad experiences (poor range etc) with the VW Transporter and is now trying some flavour of Vauxhall electric van.
Interesting, given that Vauxhall and Citroen are both part of Stellantis, and there may be some commonality of design / components there with John's van. Ellesmere Port is set to be the central European manufacturer of Stellantis electric vans.
I have seen it. The VW van effort is junk. No idea why they even bothered making such a poor vehicle.
Vauxhall Vivaro-e, Citroen e-dispatch and the Peugeot e-Expert are all basically the same van.
@@jwflame any opinion on the Toyota stuff?
@@alouisschafer7212 Toyota only make hybrids which combine the worst parts of electric and petrol, with massive complexity and cost.
Need to see him do some experimental stuff on cheep Chinese electrical rubbish
JW is the dogs nuts when comes that stuff , tell’s it how it is with a touch hummer for good measure.
Hi Sean how are you 😊
When you lift off to slow down with the regenerative braking switched on, do the brake lights come on?
No.
John, while the electric parking brake will release automatically, I'd advise releasing it manually where you can as it will be less wearing on the mechanism.
Reliability is the most important for me. I realise this can sound old fashion but I'm not so keen on automating things that work well enough manually and are minimal hassle. My 30 year old manual handbrake is still working well on my Volvo, and that's with my mediocre maintenance.
How is left foot braking dangerous?
Grest video thankyou, any chance of suming up the new amendments, cheers.
Yes, the new books only arrived today, so that will be done shortly.
Ha ha, always makes me laugh. Day, Night & Race Mode. Time for a google
Hello im JW and firstly today im gonna explain where the hell iv been for the last 12 months 🤣
Nice shoes
lol
Interesting that you get a transmission lock p on the front wheels and an electric handbrake on rear. Any ideas way?
Hi Bernard how are you 😊
Did it take some getting used to after driving a manual petrol/diesel?
Not really. Most of the difference was just due to it being a different vehicle, rather than being electric.
I'm not familiar with electric vehicles, when you said that when you release the accelerator and the B is pressed the vehicle slows down and charges the battery, are the brake lights illuminated during this time?
On my car, yes. Even when I'm on petrol (hybrid). Assume it's the same on pure EV's.
Should be yes, on my Twizy they dont but on my Zoe and MG5 they do but the Twizy is 10 years old now so newer ones might
This one does not, it's actually stated in the instructions that it doesn't.
only light when brake pedal pressed
Luv you ded pan expression & how you call a spade a spade in your brakedown of how it starts stops & how to use your feet & how you talk about doing daft stuff blinding people with the hand brake etc I drive a diesel stick van I wonder how long it would take me to learn how drive an electric van your left foot and arm wouldn't know wht to do with out a clutch & gearbox naw I'm sorry I learned how to drive a manual gearbox & not giving it up for a milk flote any time soon 👍
But the big question is, are you spending more in electricity to charge up than you would on petrol/diesel. I spend typ £45 on petrol but that does me 400 mls.
Previously £60 per week in diesel in the old van, that would now be over £80 per week due to diesel price increasing significantly since last September.
Electricity is £100 per month, and that's at 20p/kWh. Will be a lot less once changed to a cheaper overnight EV tariff, but even without that, it's still over £200 per month less than diesel.
Hello JW
Nice to see you again JW. When you use the motor braking do the brake lights come on?
i doubt it. when you use engine braking in a regular one the brake lights dont come on either
(edit: not in UK) For most models no (don't know if any does). On Nissan Leaf "D" has reasonable engine brake (energy is recovered to battery) and the "B" is very much stronger, neither activates brake lights.
Yes they do. Thats a law requirement.
@@dj_paultuk7052 Maybe on trucks in UK? In Finland (which has similar traffic law to other Europe) there is certainly no such law
@@PasiSavolainen All electric cars here in the UK will show brake lights when using energy recovery for braking.
I wonder if John will ever smile
Does it creep like an auto and what about hill starts? You don't get any feather with a switch for a hand brake.
it is has two pedals you can just feather the brake with your left foot while going on the accelerator with your right foot to get going. id imagine youd have an electronic hill start feature though
2 of my EVs creap but you can turn it off on the MG5 not the Zoe and the Twizy dosnt creap at all
This one creeps forward when on a level road.
For uphill, you stop using the brake pedal, it will hold without moving when you release the brake, you just press the accelerator to move.
@@SimonBauer7 I had a van with an auto handbreak for hill starts. It was a pain in the arse, just cause wheel spin and then the traction control turned the power off the wheels. I turned of all these assistances off within 2 days, although you had to turn traction control of on every start. I would of never got home on that snowy day. Had to turn of traction to get up a snowy hill in 2nd wheel spinning al the way up.
@@jwflame I'm a fan of the creep. in an auto in traffic. on and off the break is what is great with creeping in traffic rather than clutch. where you have to think if it's worth moving forward, manual diesels ain't so bad as the gearbox and engine run lower. petrols pain in the arse. remember in the 80's they fitted lorrys with an anti rollback device in the rear axle to stop people in fiat pandas being rolled back on.
John, when you are on a job, do you ask the client if you can plug it in?
EV owners usually don't do that.. Because work happens during daytime - electricity is worth more during daytime. It is more reasonable to charge at night.
No, don't need to.
@@tarassu only on economy 7! (For now anyway)
Having never driven an electric vehicle, I wondered if the regenerative braking causes the brake lights to come on, assuming you are not touching the brake pedal?
It does, or it certainly should do.
When I use break regen in my 17 plate leaf the break lights do not come on. Not great for someone following me. However in a normal geared car, when using engine breaking to slow down you don't get any lights then either. Not sure which causes the car to slow down more.
@@jockwalker24 Hadn't thought about petrol engine braking, same thing really i suppose!! Though does depend on how much regen slows the car down, as you said. Could be potentially dangerous!
In this vehicle it does not.
@@jwflame Isn't that somewhat dangerous then? I have since read that when the battery becomes fairly discharged, the regen braking is strong! Great video by the way, I know you were tongue in cheek to a degree, but I've learnt a few things I didn't know about EVs.Thanks!
Why in Autos is D back and R Forward? not really intuitive is it?
I don't know. Never had any issues with it. Maybe I'm just used to it since I never had it any other way. It feels intuitive to me.
1:13 - *John Cadogan wants to know your location..... *
Please tell me there's an interconnect with the charging port so that people don't just hop in the car and go, with the cable still connected. Because you know that's gonna happen.
There is. Not possible to drive anywhere with a cable connected.
does it have power steering and brake booster?
Yes
@@jwflame but a brake booster relies on vacuum from the manifold
@@farerse Electric vacuum pump
@@jwflame thanks I suspected something like that
But JW I want to know how to do a burnout in the work EV van?!
Hehehe. Fancy seeing you here as well lol.
@@kylebishop6233 Young blood like you would know how haha
So you push the direction control forwards to move backwards and pull it backwards to move forward
Got it !
Inverse logic is true.
Same as most automatics, not just EV's.
@@NorthernMonkeeUK That doesn't make it right
Thanks John - I was beginning to worry we had 'lost' you.
Question - Is there any electrical hazard in the event of a crash ? Can a person safely approach an EV to render assistance ? Is there an enhanced fire risk ?
Risk is minimal. All EVs have a battery disconnect, and the battery itself is well protected against collision damage.
If an EV battery does become damaged and set on fire, it will burn until there is nothing left - but that's not really any different to a tank full of petrol or diesel being damaged and burning.
John do you require a driving licence to drive a electric vehicle on the road ?
Yes.
Why would this be different?
@@jondonnelly4831 it’s called irony are you American by chance ?
It's Krusty the Klown
Hello Stranger 👍
with all the emission stuff diesel Vans have now that cause all sorts of problems if you can afford it electric is the way to go as they just work.
Or just get a petrol vehicle if possible. I know not easy but they exist... It baffles me why they wont just phase out the Diesels in Vans and fit them with petrol engines instead.
@@alouisschafer7212 they are still more economical than petrol when it's for business that matters
One problem with EV's is parking on a steep hill. You can leave a petrol/diesel car in gear, thus allowing braking on all four wheels. EV's are reliant on the parking brake for just two wheels. Some EV's do have an "emergency brake" mode, but often it isn't so well documented as to what it actually does!
That's what the 'P' option on the drive selector is for, it locks the front wheels. Parking brake for the rear wheels.
I was taught to turn the steering wheel towards the sidewalk when parking on steep hills, even in ICE cars. Just in case if it does get going, it doesn't get very far. And yes, if the hill is steep enough it can even turn the engine over (sometimes very slowly, so you won't notice at first when you forgot the handbrake).
I visit Swanage once a year…..so you are not too far away. I always notice a van in Swanage with sign writing called ‘Jurassic Sparks’
A competitor maybe??