You misunderstood when he said Pippen was the lone all star he played with in Chicago. Pippen was the only active allstar he played with while in Chicage. Rodman was on his way out the league before he come to Chicago and was only and allstar in Detroit and Horace grant became an allstar in Orlando after he left the Bulls. So technically he is correct, pippen was the only active allstar he played with on a Jordan led team.
He was stating the teams and their records not individuals that's the problem with Lebronians you guys sensationalize lebrons opponent and Dennis Rodman wasn't with the Bulls when he was an all star Rodman joined the Bulls in 96 sorry keep reaching
@@FTBREACTS I can go further look at viewership and NBA ratings when Jordan played from the time he got drafted from 1984 till 98 compare viewership and NBA ratings from the time LeBron hit the league in 2003 till now in 2024 then tell me you think lebron is still the goat oh and how many All-stars has lebron played with how many trades has he been involved in there's videos out there that will answer those questions oh and by the way Jordan has the most accolades in NBA history with 37 compared to lebron's 19 dig in the rabbit hole if u want on Jordan u will find urself highly disappointed in lebron
Been a Lakers fan for 40+ years. And I must say Leflop is a disgrace to the Lakers. Your mega superstar hasn't won the Lakers a legitimate chip. And it's so freaking sad that they wasted a 2nd round pick for trash! Because of who daddy is. Nevermind that this LaBum can't even fill Kobe's bro. So to even think of comparing him to (The Goat) "MJ" is delusional. What has your so called goat done for the Lakers organization!? This generation of fans are delusional AF😂
Rodman wasn't even in Chicago during his All-Star seasons. He was literally one of the Bad Boy Pistons beating up MJ and Scottie in the paint. During MJ's championship runs, he only had 1 All-Star teammate in Scottie Pippen. And during his first and last championship runs, Pippen wasn't even an all-star. MJ carried a team as the lone all-star in 91 and 98.
this is very simple.... MJ's team started from scratch. they have to develop. the coaching team have to develop. (you may also wonder why they fired doug collins when they are reaching conference finals and put the zen master instead but it is on another topic) when the team reached their potential they are unstoppable. if you would really try to watch mj's game he is not a ball hog as what everyone is saying. he would let his team do their thing first and he will see who can help the team win. but if he cannot see it he would take the matter on his own hands. as for Lebron, he goes and create teams with players who are already established stars. you may watch AOH's breakdown as well who are his different teammates and how established they are before they team up with lbj ruclips.net/video/cEVIzvio5bQ/видео.html
@@tendousouji14344 Why are you sending me this? I already know this information. In case you haven't noticed, I'm literally making a case for Jordan being the GOAT for actually carrying his team to 6 rings, 2 of which he was a lone all-star.
There's a channel called bruce blitz, and he had a vid of the top 10 worst supporting cast (taking out the superstar) teams to win the finals all 6 bulls teams were on it.
Longevity is not enough to be a goat 🤣 Whats the definition of greatness to you? Btw.. you say that todays era was more dominant scorers and 80's to 90's era was good in defense, so why no one can surpass the PPG of jordan in todays era? With no defense?
There's vids, with all time great NBA players, and current players like Durant, talking about MJ, who all said he'd avg at least 40 (the lowest ppg total by some guys) to 45-50 ppg in todays game. Durant said he'd be the best player in today's NBA quite easily.
Do you really want to count people who were all stars on different teams before or after playing with Jordan or LeBron? That's gonna make it worse for Bron.
@@DanYeLL2003really interesting yall are using the most irrelevant accomplishment to make your point was better a hall of famer or and all star oh ok Jordan played with more hall of famers not only that jordan was bounced 1sf round while having a 20 ppg scorer on his team until Jordan got warriors level team he was getting dog walked stop it bodies
Sorry, I lose respect for anyone who says "this generation has better competition". As if Jordan didn't have to play against Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Hakeem, Isiah Thomas. The people who say this never really watched these other players so they don't know how good they were. People forget that MJ averaged 37 ppg one year. The rules now give the offense the advantage. The spacing in the NBA makes it so easy to score which is why scores are in the 130s everynight. If you placed Jordan with the amount of skill he had in this league where the rules favor the offense and he has the kind of space to work he would average 50-60 easy. Even players like KG who played against both Bron and MJ have said this.
Did you say that MJ's whole starting 5 was hall of famers? That's funny. He played with 3 people who were inducted into the hall of fame. Pippen, Rodman, and Kukoc (Inducted as an international player). The "Inducted as an international player" is significant because it's based on his contributions to the game internationally and not because of how he performed as a member of the bulls or while in the NBA. As a comparison, Lebron has played with Dwayne Wade, Shaquille O'neal, Ray Allen, Chris Bosh, and Ben Wallace who have already been inducted and these players who are widely recognized will be inducted soon: Anthony Davis, Kyrie Irving, Dwight Howard, and Russell Westbrook. It's not even close
Yall are bringing up russell westbrook that's how you know that agruement is horrible for Jordan For 1 Jordan had his hall of fame players when they were still valuable options considering melo Howard rondo played all of 3 more Seasons Howard was over and that's obviously russell westbrook Kyrie wouldn't be a hall of famer without bron Ad barely sneaks in with lebron So proper context added you sound so crazy
@@robertmiles1132 that's real weak. i'm just using the criteria buddy used in his video against LeBron. Bottom line is Bron has had more help throughout his entire career than MJ and won less. Period. End of story.
Rodman wasn't an All Star when he played with Jordan. In fact, the Bulls only got him because no other team would take him, the Spurs took Will Purdue for Rodman in a trade. He was on the scrap heap, his career might've been over if the Bulls didn't trade for him.
Rodman made his all star appearances NOT when he played with Jordan. He didn't count Lebron's all star teammates that were not all stars when playing with Bron
For the sake of an argument, this is not high school stuff or thinking. At the NBA championship level, you have the beat the competition in front of you. Lebron has never created a dynasty, nor has he dominated any era of basketball, nor is any of his championship teams in the top five of greatest teams in NBA History. In just 13 years MJ won all of his collected trophies and accolades GAME OVER. I Guess MJ being the GOAT is why he didn’t need any superteams to have such an impressive career resume.
I'm sorry but the idea that Jordan retired from basketball so that he could go play baseball is absurd. There's a vital piece of information missing from that explanation. He'd retired from basketball because his father was murdered and left on the side of the highway. Baseball is just what happened in the end.. well, before the end, if you will. Edit: some would argue he took this hiatus because he was in trouble for gambling. Either way, the death of his father is the reason in the media why he retired from basketball that first time.
“Over who” you said when you asked about MJ shooting over Brian Russel for his 6th chip. …. Wasn’t is Jason Terry who showed LeBronda up in the finals? With respect if you want to compare MJ’s and LeBronda’s finals resumes you’re going to lose.
Gotta listen young man. The commentator said made the all star team on a Jordan led team. So yeah that 1 was Pippen. Your own quick search said Rodman made the all star team in the early 90’s …. He didn’t play with Jordan until ‘96.
90’s player are better than todays players point blank. The guys today are more athletic on avg, but don’t have a clue how to actually play. Ball IQ trumps athleticism all day everyday ask Bird, Joker and Luka 🤷🏻♂️
today's player will not get the same buckets playing in the 80's or 90's. most of them will be bench players. only thing they can do is shoot threes. no low post skills. won't be able to handle the hand checking. no flagrant fouls in the 80's.
Watch a video by danger productions and get some more knowledge. Lebron shoots below 35 percent outside of three feet. He has a losing finals record. Plays no defense. Throws teamates under the bus. And gets coaches fired. The facts don’t lie. It’s Jordan. Then everyone else. Jordan almost always played all 82 games plus playoffs led a college team undefeated against nba teams leading up to the Olympics. Also. Jordan kept hall of famers from getting a ring. While Lebron recruited hall of famers to win a ring. Also. The Jordan era was way tougher than it is now. Jordan world acreage 50 easily with the new rules.
You really should first read, study, watch more before making any sound comment! Rodman played with the Bulls and MJ for three seasons '96-'98 when he was one of the best rebounders and defenders but nowhere near an all-star! Not to mention he was 35+ years old when he joined the bulls! As for the competition let's not forget that MJ played in an era of duos not super-teams! Why is Lebron's competition harder when it has the same amount of superstars(3) as your team does? And one other thing: people consider a great amount of players great just because they won titles during Lebron's era while at the same time dismiss a great amount of greats just because they never had the chance to win a title during MJ's reign! And that's the difference between winning a title and going to the finals! You would speak quite different in regards of Clyde, Barkley, Ewing, Kemp, Stockton, Malone had they ever won a title!
He didn't have those hall of famers when he won his first 3 championships so, saying he only won because he of hall of famers is false seeing as how he only had Scotty pippen that first time around while lebron has specifically has surrounding himself with people that he felt would get him his championship titles and he still is only just now reaching Jordans highest after spending far longer in the league 😅 Like why wouldn't he eventually reach those stats if he's still playing without any retirements like, why is that even something to Bragg about as a fan if he couldn't do the same thing in the same amount of time, now if he had or, done so in a shorter period of time that would honestly be understandable
EVRY PLAYER IN THE LEAUGE AGREED - You have to kick punch trip MJ with all 5 of player at the same time!!!! or he torch all of you - No TEAM could stop him with out cheating.....before he even won his first championship
You are wrong about so many things, Rodman only joined Chicago the season after Michael came out of retirement. No player in history has statistics like Michael, the league trembled with him compared to LeBron who doesn't really scare players today, Michael was the perfect defense and offense no matter what role he played I suggest you watch more videos of Michael to understand his greatness and why there will never be another like Michael
Old school players did not need a father step or help to score. They simply adapted. Go and watch video check the all star games of the past. It is kit even close. You want to concentrate on one playoff series. Look at the whole career. Jordan did more in less time than anyone ever.
I can absolutely disagree with that,the 90's NBA was far more physical and, less restrictions, you didn't get calls for every move made like you do now, you could get more rough with your opponents without being set on the bench for a foul this or a foul that which allowed them to keep playing, now using today's playing system where everything is a foul and anything can get you sat out, the player's from the 90's would have free range to score without the worry of being fould or set out they would have more of an opportunity to score higher.
When Miami faced the mavs with Lebron. Take a look at this stat line. Lebron in his prime. Jason terry. 18 pts. Per game/50 percent Lebron. 17.8 pts. Per game/48 percent. This is terry at the end of his career. Greats do not choke.
He's not saying Rodman wasn't an All Star. He said he wasn't an All Star while playing *on a Michael Jordan led team*. Rodman was an All Star in '90 & '92. He joined the Bulls in 1995. Pippen was the only player who was an All Star while playing with the Jordan led Bulls.
The problem isn't not knowing what he did or seeing some of it the problem is lebron is better overall player better passer and rebounder add 40 k points the most playoff points not only that but he did it while being the main playmaker for the teams he played on 6 is great but a chip per franchise is crazy work beating the 73 9 warriors while being 3 1 which is the most pressure you could possibly face and gave the a reverse sweep Jordan only made the finals 6 times and only when he had a super team bron with and without super teams bron put in the work
Jordan was playing great with the Wizards up until he got hurt. Pippen joined the Bulls in 87, two years after Michael. The bulls didn’t start winning until Jordan hit the gym and got bigger so he could take all the hits, punches, and pushing from other players and when Phil Jackson introduced the triangle offense. Rodman was at the end of his career with the bulls. Literally no other team wanted Rodman. If Michael hadn’t talked the bulls into getting Rodman he would barely be remembered and he definitely wouldn’t be in the hall of fame. Rodman was not an all star during his time with the Bulls. During 90-91 he was not playing with the bulls. Jordans competition in the finals was very very hard. Those games were very close.
Rodman was not an all star when he played with Jordan. All the all stars Lebron played with. We’re all stars when he played with them. Period. So while Rodman. Was a two time all star it wasn’t when he was with the bulls. Also. Jordan had a total of 20 all star player caliber play with him in his career. While Lebron had 124 total all star appearance player play with him during his career. Numbers do not lie. Again. Watch the video by danger productions. It breaks the numbers and facts down and shows reality. Not talking points.
Saying that 40 yr old Michael Jordan as a Wizard wasn't the player he was as a Chicago Bull is also absurd. If you didn't witness it, I don't know how you can have a comment. 40 year old Jordan was puttin the hurtin on guys. He even diminished the number one overall pick by the Wizards just by making him practice with him in one-on-one workouts, emasculating him the whole way. I don't know why we have to keep telling you kids... Michael Jordan wasn't a nice guy.
Y'all get the game twisted. This players aren't necessarily more talented, the league just allows them to break the moves. The stuff these guys are doing, Street ballers have been doing that since the 70's
People keep saying this generation has better offensive skills and more athletic, but they don’t talk about the weak defence they face. If 5hey are so athletic, then why are these players load managing and still gets injury prone. And don’t forget, the best player in the league right now is not a very athletic player, remember the joker?! So don’t tell me the players today can beat the player of yesterday!!!
The one thing Jordan has above all is his competitive nature! Every second of practice was a competition for him! Lebron is a more gifted athlete than Jordan was in some ways. He is bigger and stronger than Jordan. Jordan had speed and made adjustments in the air that were insane.
Jordan took the Bulls to the playoffs his first year with the team, and every year he played with them. And Rodman and Kucoch weren't part of the first 3peat. Also, before you say Jordan as a Wizard was no where near his former self or LeBron today...check the tape.
A couple of things. No one acts like the Wizards years didn't happen. What y'all can't seem to accept is the context of that time. MJ bought the cheapest valued team in the league, with worst attendance in the league, which was thee reason he suited up. He is still the greatest draw the league has ever seen.
Michael Jordan is highly respected for the way he presents himself, the way he responds when things don't go his way, and for going through the growing pains. He lost through so many years in the beginning because it takes failure to become successful. It takes time to create a dynasty. Michael Jordan stuck around for it. He didn't follow who was winning. He waited for the team to be built, and he taught those guys how to win and be a team. Success has to be built. That is why Lebron isn't respected. Lebron never grew up to understand that. If he stayed in Cleveland all this time and maybe only won one championship in his career, he would be much more respected. Old school sports fans are loyal to teams, most often the team of the city they're from, not individual players. For that reason, Cleveland fans will forget Lebron the day they win a championship again.
Jordan had Rodman and Kukoc for 3 years bro and the only Hall of Fame player he played with from 1988-93 was Scottie Pippen!! Before that he had zero help, so you need to go ahead and educate yourself cuz your "facts" are so far off it's not even funny!! Rodman averaged 4 points a game and Kukoc wasn't even a starter for most of the Bulls 2nd 3pt. Stop it
Clearly you wasn’t listening when the guy said Jordan lead team. Because we all know Rodman made it to the All Star game, but that’s showing your age. Because you thought Rodman was on the Bulls then and he wasn’t.
Com'on man. There is no such thing as a bad 60 win team. And beating the Warriors one time, is not enough to carry Lebron to the greatest. It's 1 series out of 4. ONE.
I can easily say players from the late 80's through 90's were better, stronger, faster, and more skilled than today's players for the simple fact that they had to earn every point and statistic they got. There is limited defense today to the extent that it doesn't even look like basketball. These guys would not be scoring as much as they do if real defense was allowed. We know hand checking was removed to increase point scoring. The reason why is it's a huge benefit on defense. When hand checking, the defender can feel where the defender is going. Our brain senses and interprets touch much more quickly allowing the defender to respond faster. This made it much more difficult to score compared to today they have to go purely of vision. The other thing is a step back move did not exist because it's a travel. When trapped, they had to pass it, or perform a fade away shot. If these guys today couldn't perform their Olympic long jump step back to create space, they wouldn't have near the points they have. Previous players would've doubled their scoring if they didn't have to face a defense or could jump backwards to create space for a more open look.
Pippen was the ONLY teammate to ever make an all star team. you looked up seasons Rodman DIDNT play with Jordan lol you looked up his pistons seasons 🤣. He’s talking all stats on THOSE seasons WITH bron and MJ.
In my opinion the warriors are one of the best teams in history they are my favorite team right now. but the 96’ bulls were another level. The only reason being that Jordan was gonna guard curry while Pippen would guard KD and then Rodman would neutralize draymond, not even draymond would be able to guard Jordan, Kd might be able to stop Pippen, that’s the biggest flaw if todays game is that there is no actual defense, not like in the 90’s or early 2000’s. Anyway thanks for the reaction, nice video. 👍👍
I will also make the case that part of the reason todays players are better scorers is BECAUSE the defese is easier. If the players today had to go against the way the defense was played back in the day they their offense wouldnt be as good.
If today's players are so physically gifted and fantastic why do they need to load manage? Also old school players all played both ends of the court. The term two way-player is a fairly new term not previously used during 80's and 90's.
"LeBron's level"???????? No, LeFemme has never played to Jordan's level, ever. I challenge you to go find a video of Jordan flopping, whining, throwing tantrums on the floor, traveling every game (and getting away with it), committing obvious offensive fouls (per the rule book and not getting called for it), yelling at refs (and not getting a technical), and not hustling on defense. I can guarantee you won't find any of that. Jordan achieved more in less time (13.5 season) than James (20 seasons). Even with FACTS, LeFemme fans are so brainwashed that they still think it's false. China endorses LeFemme (and own ESPN). Agree with their politics (go woke) and do what they say (crossdress) and they will take care of you ("No party like a Diddy party!!!"). The propaganda tactic always works with young people (children, teens, young adults). That has always been a communist/socialist/marxist tactic. Today's NBA players are not better than the 80's and 90's era NBA players. Go watch Kenny Smith's interview with Mark Jackson and he will explain it.
Having the best finals comeback in NBA history isn't a measurement of who the goat is. Does it help? Yeah. But it's not the bar. Jordan didn't face elimination in the finals. I'm a Clevelander man.. that championship hangs from my rafters... and still doesn't move the bar. What we're not going to do is act like you didn't just finish saying the today's league is far easier to score in... and then in the very next breath say, the players of Jordan's era don't match up to the players of today. What you're trying to do is use my generations argument against the Oscar Robertson's and John Havlicek's... their competition was mailman, plumbers, police, in construction workers. Jordan's era was filled with Olympic athletes and players who did 3 and 4 years of college basketball. There were occasional high schoolers that transitioned to the pros, sure. But overall you can't say that about Jordan's competition. It's nonsense.
My man you have zero clue throwing out fake facts... 5 HOF lol... He had one other allstar his entire career... Just Pippen.. If you knew the game, you would talk about rule changes over everything else. Why fans stop watching with this cupcake league that is losing views and season ticket holders at an alarming rate... You can always spot the fanboys. That isn't what happen with rule changes. The only rule they added was t's for hard fouls then 2003 they added no hand check then added defensive 3 seconds and later Curry rules no checking player going through the lane... You have been sheepled son with your bad takes.. Do your own research and stop listen to clutch sports
It’s starting to get HARD to build a case for Bron as the goat lol!! I’m reaching!! 😂 don’t judge me..Also what should we check out next #FTB🔥
You misunderstood when he said Pippen was the lone all star he played with in Chicago. Pippen was the only active allstar he played with while in Chicage. Rodman was on his way out the league before he come to Chicago and was only and allstar in Detroit and Horace grant became an allstar in Orlando after he left the Bulls. So technically he is correct, pippen was the only active allstar he played with on a Jordan led team.
He was stating the teams and their records not individuals that's the problem with Lebronians you guys sensationalize lebrons opponent and Dennis Rodman wasn't with the Bulls when he was an all star Rodman joined the Bulls in 96 sorry keep reaching
@@FTBREACTS I can go further look at viewership and NBA ratings when Jordan played from the time he got drafted from 1984 till 98 compare viewership and NBA ratings from the time LeBron hit the league in 2003 till now in 2024 then tell me you think lebron is still the goat oh and how many All-stars has lebron played with how many trades has he been involved in there's videos out there that will answer those questions oh and by the way Jordan has the most accolades in NBA history with 37 compared to lebron's 19 dig in the rabbit hole if u want on Jordan u will find urself highly disappointed in lebron
@@FTBREACTS you have to do: in search of the best Individual season in the NBA history.
Been a Lakers fan for 40+ years. And I must say Leflop is a disgrace to the Lakers. Your mega superstar hasn't won the Lakers a legitimate chip. And it's so freaking sad that they wasted a 2nd round pick for trash! Because of who daddy is. Nevermind that this LaBum can't even fill Kobe's bro. So to even think of comparing him to (The Goat) "MJ" is delusional. What has your so called goat done for the Lakers organization!? This generation of fans are delusional AF😂
You only consider James opponents harder because he lost.
Facts
labron fans hate facts
Skip Bayless as well is a delusional person who speaks in feelings rather than facts
@@xbox627 Can u prove that though?
Obviously 6 finals Mvp 6 chips are facts...am I right let alone 3 steals title and 10 scoring titles....am I lying when I said those crowns?
@@xbox627 what has skip say that was delusional?
Jordan being the quote on quote greatest scoring didnt make it to 40k @markcruz8952
Rodman wasn't even in Chicago during his All-Star seasons. He was literally one of the Bad Boy Pistons beating up MJ and Scottie in the paint.
During MJ's championship runs, he only had 1 All-Star teammate in Scottie Pippen.
And during his first and last championship runs, Pippen wasn't even an all-star.
MJ carried a team as the lone all-star in 91 and 98.
this is very simple....
MJ's team started from scratch. they have to develop. the coaching team have to develop. (you may also wonder why they fired doug collins when they are reaching conference finals and put the zen master instead but it is on another topic) when the team reached their potential they are unstoppable. if you would really try to watch mj's game he is not a ball hog as what everyone is saying. he would let his team do their thing first and he will see who can help the team win. but if he cannot see it he would take the matter on his own hands.
as for Lebron, he goes and create teams with players who are already established stars. you may watch AOH's breakdown as well who are his different teammates and how established they are before they team up with lbj
ruclips.net/video/cEVIzvio5bQ/видео.html
@@tendousouji14344 Why are you sending me this?
I already know this information.
In case you haven't noticed, I'm literally making a case for Jordan being the GOAT for actually carrying his team to 6 rings, 2 of which he was a lone all-star.
@@Eversee143 sorry for misunderstanding my comment. I am agreeing to your post. just a complement in your stand why MJ is the goat
@@tendousouji14344 OHHHHH!!!
Understood.
Have a nice day.
There's a channel called bruce blitz, and he had a vid of the top 10 worst supporting cast (taking out the superstar) teams to win the finals all 6 bulls teams were on it.
I only watch these reactions to marvel at how LeBron's fans stumble all over themselves trying to deny the undeniable. 🤣
The best, the rebuilts ha ha ha😂
Lebron is not Top 5
Media brainwashing and propaganda is strong
skap does excellent work putting Lebron into proper CONTEXT……lebron fans hate context
Longevity is not enough to be a goat 🤣
Whats the definition of greatness to you?
Btw.. you say that todays era was more dominant scorers and 80's to 90's era was good in defense, so why no one can surpass the PPG of jordan in todays era? With no defense?
There's vids, with all time great NBA players, and current players like Durant, talking about MJ, who all said he'd avg at least 40 (the lowest ppg total by some guys) to 45-50 ppg in todays game. Durant said he'd be the best player in today's NBA quite easily.
His dad was murdered and his dad loved baseball
Rodman didn't go to the Bulls till 95...Jordan won 3 without him and he was NEVER an allstar while playing with Bulls...
Jordan is the GOAT 🐐
Do you really want to count people who were all stars on different teams before or after playing with Jordan or LeBron? That's gonna make it worse for Bron.
I was thinking the same thing.
@@DanYeLL2003really interesting yall are using the most irrelevant accomplishment to make your point was better a hall of famer or and all star oh ok
Jordan played with more hall of famers not only that jordan was bounced 1sf round while having a 20 ppg scorer on his team until Jordan got warriors level team he was getting dog walked stop it bodies
Sorry, I lose respect for anyone who says "this generation has better competition". As if Jordan didn't have to play against Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Hakeem, Isiah Thomas. The people who say this never really watched these other players so they don't know how good they were.
People forget that MJ averaged 37 ppg one year. The rules now give the offense the advantage. The spacing in the NBA makes it so easy to score which is why scores are in the 130s everynight. If you placed Jordan with the amount of skill he had in this league where the rules favor the offense and he has the kind of space to work he would average 50-60 easy. Even players like KG who played against both Bron and MJ have said this.
Did you say that MJ's whole starting 5 was hall of famers? That's funny. He played with 3 people who were inducted into the hall of fame. Pippen, Rodman, and Kukoc (Inducted as an international player). The "Inducted as an international player" is significant because it's based on his contributions to the game internationally and not because of how he performed as a member of the bulls or while in the NBA. As a comparison, Lebron has played with Dwayne Wade, Shaquille O'neal, Ray Allen, Chris Bosh, and Ben Wallace who have already been inducted and these players who are widely recognized will be inducted soon: Anthony Davis, Kyrie Irving, Dwight Howard, and Russell Westbrook. It's not even close
Don't forget Melo!
@@seekwsdom facts!!!
Don't forget Derrick Rose n Rajon Rondo
Yall are bringing up russell westbrook that's how you know that agruement is horrible for Jordan
For 1 Jordan had his hall of fame players when they were still valuable options considering melo Howard rondo played all of 3 more Seasons Howard was over and that's obviously russell westbrook
Kyrie wouldn't be a hall of famer without bron
Ad barely sneaks in with lebron
So proper context added you sound so crazy
@@robertmiles1132 that's real weak. i'm just using the criteria buddy used in his video against LeBron. Bottom line is Bron has had more help throughout his entire career than MJ and won less. Period. End of story.
They were WAAAYYYY better in the 90's.
Rodman was never an all star playing with the bulls.
Rodman wasn't an All Star when he played with Jordan. In fact, the Bulls only got him because no other team would take him, the Spurs took Will Purdue for Rodman in a trade. He was on the scrap heap, his career might've been over if the Bulls didn't trade for him.
Rodman made his all star appearances NOT when he played with Jordan. He didn't count Lebron's all star teammates that were not all stars when playing with Bron
For the sake of an argument, this is not high school stuff or thinking. At the NBA championship level, you have the beat the competition in front of you. Lebron has never created a dynasty, nor has he dominated any era of basketball, nor is any of his championship teams in the top five of greatest teams in NBA History. In just 13 years MJ won all of his collected trophies and accolades GAME OVER. I Guess MJ being the GOAT is why he didn’t need any superteams to have such an impressive career resume.
He isn’t messing around with the numbers
I'm sorry but the idea that Jordan retired from basketball so that he could go play baseball is absurd. There's a vital piece of information missing from that explanation. He'd retired from basketball because his father was murdered and left on the side of the highway. Baseball is just what happened in the end.. well, before the end, if you will.
Edit: some would argue he took this hiatus because he was in trouble for gambling. Either way, the death of his father is the reason in the media why he retired from basketball that first time.
Rodman wasn't an all-star while he played with Jordan. That was the point of the stat.
“Over who” you said when you asked about MJ shooting over Brian Russel for his 6th chip. …. Wasn’t is Jason Terry who showed LeBronda up in the finals? With respect if you want to compare MJ’s and LeBronda’s finals resumes you’re going to lose.
Gotta listen young man. The commentator said made the all star team on a Jordan led team. So yeah that 1 was Pippen. Your own quick search said Rodman made the all star team in the early 90’s …. He didn’t play with Jordan until ‘96.
90’s player are better than todays players point blank. The guys today are more athletic on avg, but don’t have a clue how to actually play. Ball IQ trumps athleticism all day everyday ask Bird, Joker and Luka 🤷🏻♂️
today's player will not get the same buckets playing in the 80's or 90's. most of them will be bench players. only thing they can do is shoot threes. no low post skills. won't be able to handle the hand checking. no flagrant fouls in the 80's.
Rodman wasn't all star on the bulls 😂😂😂 clown lbj fans smh 😂😂😂
Showing footage that the mainstream media won't show is not hating! LeBron greatness is a marketing ploy by the league, he is not him.
Pay attention - what he was saying was Pippen was an All Star WHILE playing with MJ. Rodman was an All Star but not while he was playing with MJ.
Whats the purpose of this video if you just gonna deny fact? are you incompetent?
Ive never understood this debate
Watch a video by danger productions and get some more knowledge. Lebron shoots below 35 percent outside of three feet. He has a losing finals record. Plays no defense. Throws teamates under the bus. And gets coaches fired. The facts don’t lie. It’s Jordan. Then everyone else. Jordan almost always played all 82 games plus playoffs led a college team undefeated against nba teams leading up to the Olympics. Also. Jordan kept hall of famers from getting a ring. While Lebron recruited hall of famers to win a ring. Also. The Jordan era was way tougher than it is now. Jordan world acreage 50 easily with the new rules.
It’s facts not opinion. Look at the numbers. And. Yes. Kluth sports tried to diminish other players to uplift Lebron. Sad.
You really should first read, study, watch more before making any sound comment! Rodman played with the Bulls and MJ for three seasons '96-'98 when he was one of the best rebounders and defenders but nowhere near an all-star! Not to mention he was 35+ years old when he joined the bulls! As for the competition let's not forget that MJ played in an era of duos not super-teams! Why is Lebron's competition harder when it has the same amount of superstars(3) as your team does? And one other thing: people consider a great amount of players great just because they won titles during Lebron's era while at the same time dismiss a great amount of greats just because they never had the chance to win a title during MJ's reign! And that's the difference between winning a title and going to the finals! You would speak quite different in regards of Clyde, Barkley, Ewing, Kemp, Stockton, Malone had they ever won a title!
Actually only lie was him saying he had an all star 6 times. Pip was an all star 4 times in their championship run.
Dude your talking about the 2nd 3 peat with those guys lol
He didn't have those hall of famers when he won his first 3 championships so, saying he only won because he of hall of famers is false seeing as how he only had Scotty pippen that first time around while lebron has specifically has surrounding himself with people that he felt would get him his championship titles and he still is only just now reaching Jordans highest after spending far longer in the league 😅
Like why wouldn't he eventually reach those stats if he's still playing without any retirements like, why is that even something to Bragg about as a fan if he couldn't do the same thing in the same amount of time, now if he had or, done so in a shorter period of time that would honestly be understandable
Very solid point guard who always makes the best plays? He has the most turnovers in NBA history.
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Leflop James has the most turnovers in NBA History by far!!!! He also has the most missing shots
All the bronsexual is liar as you
EVRY PLAYER IN THE LEAUGE AGREED - You have to kick punch trip MJ with all 5 of player at the same time!!!! or he torch all of you - No TEAM could stop him with out cheating.....before he even won his first championship
Better athletes doesn't always come out to better players.
You are wrong about so many things, Rodman only joined Chicago the season after Michael came out of retirement.
No player in history has statistics like Michael, the league trembled with him compared to LeBron who doesn't really scare players today, Michael was the perfect defense and offense no matter what role he played
I suggest you watch more videos of Michael to understand his greatness and why there will never be another like Michael
Old school players did not need a father step or help to score. They simply adapted. Go and watch video check the all star games of the past. It is kit even close. You want to concentrate on one playoff series. Look at the whole career. Jordan did more in less time than anyone ever.
I can absolutely disagree with that,the 90's NBA was far more physical and, less restrictions, you didn't get calls for every move made like you do now, you could get more rough with your opponents without being set on the bench for a foul this or a foul that which allowed them to keep playing, now using today's playing system where everything is a foul and anything can get you sat out, the player's from the 90's would have free range to score without the worry of being fould or set out they would have more of an opportunity to score higher.
Rodman was never an all star on the bulls
Wtf 10 consecutive scoring titles 😳 it's just not close 😂😂😂😂
Then he said he a facilitator... being the all time turnover record holder 😂🤣😭
while having more All-Defense selections, 1 DPOY, and 3 more steals title
@BixBy-u5w my point exactly
Nice ps He played Baseball due that his father always wanted him to do so ( he tried after his father was killed ) if not mistaken
So beating a team one time out of the four times you played them so that's better then being the juggernaut yr after yr after yr
Rodman was a Piston at that time
When Miami faced the mavs with Lebron. Take a look at this stat line. Lebron in his prime.
Jason terry. 18 pts. Per game/50 percent
Lebron. 17.8 pts. Per game/48 percent.
This is terry at the end of his career. Greats do not choke.
He's not saying Rodman wasn't an All Star. He said he wasn't an All Star while playing *on a Michael Jordan led team*. Rodman was an All Star in '90 & '92. He joined the Bulls in 1995. Pippen was the only player who was an All Star while playing with the Jordan led Bulls.
Bro you don't know what you're talking about
Dude there is no defense in today’s game lol….you young bucks are clueless
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I think people should watch full games of Jordan playing to get a better idea of what we witnessed.
The problem isn't not knowing what he did or seeing some of it the problem is lebron is better overall player better passer and rebounder add 40 k points the most playoff points not only that but he did it while being the main playmaker for the teams he played on 6 is great but a chip per franchise is crazy work beating the 73 9 warriors while being 3 1 which is the most pressure you could possibly face and gave the a reverse sweep
Jordan only made the finals 6 times and only when he had a super team bron with and without super teams bron put in the work
Oh bro! Bron's a great a player but nowhere near Mike haha
He didn’t get Rodman or Kukoc until his second 3Peat
Jordan took like 3-4 years off to play baseball, cause he got bored
Ok 2 years.
So 5 less years than LeBron
Nah bro. He took a break and came back and won 3 more
Neither was LeBron. I took him going to the Heat.
Good video bro. I wish you nothing but success.
James and his fans disgust me
This generation can't comprehend anything these days. Rodman was not an ALL-STAR during his Bulls years
He played baseball to honor his dad who was killed
The only reason people big up lebron's opponents is because they actually beat him 😂😂😂
Jordan was playing great with the Wizards up until he got hurt.
Pippen joined the Bulls in 87, two years after Michael. The bulls didn’t start winning until Jordan hit the gym and got bigger so he could take all the hits, punches, and pushing from other players and when Phil Jackson introduced the triangle offense.
Rodman was at the end of his career with the bulls. Literally no other team wanted Rodman. If Michael hadn’t talked the bulls into getting Rodman he would barely be remembered and he definitely wouldn’t be in the hall of fame. Rodman was not an all star during his time with the Bulls. During 90-91 he was not playing with the bulls.
Jordans competition in the finals was very very hard. Those games were very close.
Rodman was not an all star when he played with Jordan. All the all stars Lebron played with. We’re all stars when he played with them. Period. So while Rodman. Was a two time all star it wasn’t when he was with the bulls. Also. Jordan had a total of 20 all star player caliber play with him in his career. While Lebron had 124 total all star appearance player play with him during his career. Numbers do not lie. Again. Watch the video by danger productions. It breaks the numbers and facts down and shows reality. Not talking points.
Jordan was on the Bulls before Scottie got there. Young Jordan got the Bulls into the playoffs before Pippen arrived.
Saying that 40 yr old Michael Jordan as a Wizard wasn't the player he was as a Chicago Bull is also absurd. If you didn't witness it, I don't know how you can have a comment. 40 year old Jordan was puttin the hurtin on guys. He even diminished the number one overall pick by the Wizards just by making him practice with him in one-on-one workouts, emasculating him the whole way. I don't know why we have to keep telling you kids... Michael Jordan wasn't a nice guy.
Jordan didn’t play the warriors because he was the warriors by himself
Rodman was not an all star when playing with Jordan....He was an all star before playing with Jordan
any sport in their early years is harder than any sport now
Rodman was not an All Star while playing with Jordan, which is what he was saying. Only Pippen made the All Stars while playing with him.
Y'all get the game twisted. This players aren't necessarily more talented, the league just allows them to break the moves. The stuff these guys are doing, Street ballers have been doing that since the 70's
and remembered he retired because he knows he has nothing to prove anymore. but he got back and proved that he can do it all over again
People keep saying this generation has better offensive skills and more athletic, but they don’t talk about the weak defence they face. If 5hey are so athletic, then why are these players load managing and still gets injury prone. And don’t forget, the best player in the league right now is not a very athletic player, remember the joker?! So don’t tell me the players today can beat the player of yesterday!!!
Jordan played with ONE All-Star his entire career 😂
The one thing Jordan has above all is his competitive nature! Every second of practice was a competition for him! Lebron is a more gifted athlete than Jordan was in some ways. He is bigger and stronger than Jordan. Jordan had speed and made adjustments in the air that were insane.
Truth really hurts. Just accept it!
Jordan took the Bulls to the playoffs his first year with the team, and every year he played with them. And Rodman and Kucoch weren't part of the first 3peat. Also, before you say Jordan as a Wizard was no where near his former self or LeBron today...check the tape.
Did you just say the bulls starters were hall of famers? What? MJ and Scottie are the only bulls that made all stars in MJs whole career!
Not true, before his meniscus tear Jordan was averaging 25 on the wizard. His 2nd season he played 82 games. He's the 🐐 forever.
A couple of things. No one acts like the Wizards years didn't happen. What y'all can't seem to accept is the context of that time. MJ bought the cheapest valued team in the league, with worst attendance in the league, which was thee reason he suited up. He is still the greatest draw the league has ever seen.
Btw Jordan’s bulls won 72 games. The 80’s and 90’s was far more skilled. Rodman never won an all star as a teammate
Michael Jordan is highly respected for the way he presents himself, the way he responds when things don't go his way, and for going through the growing pains. He lost through so many years in the beginning because it takes failure to become successful. It takes time to create a dynasty. Michael Jordan stuck around for it. He didn't follow who was winning. He waited for the team to be built, and he taught those guys how to win and be a team.
Success has to be built. That is why Lebron isn't respected. Lebron never grew up to understand that. If he stayed in Cleveland all this time and maybe only won one championship in his career, he would be much more respected. Old school sports fans are loyal to teams, most often the team of the city they're from, not individual players. For that reason, Cleveland fans will forget Lebron the day they win a championship again.
No Debate, No Comparison, Not even close , MJ Is the Goat !! Smh
Rodman was like 37 when he played for the Bulls
What he said is correct ..Jordan is and always will be the goat
Jordan played against the greatest players
Defense wins championship
Rodman wasn't with the bulls when he was an all star
Jordan had Rodman and Kukoc for 3 years bro and the only Hall of Fame player he played with from 1988-93 was Scottie Pippen!! Before that he had zero help, so you need to go ahead and educate yourself cuz your "facts" are so far off it's not even funny!! Rodman averaged 4 points a game and Kukoc wasn't even a starter for most of the Bulls 2nd 3pt. Stop it
Clearly you wasn’t listening when the guy said Jordan lead team. Because we all know Rodman made it to the All Star game, but that’s showing your age. Because you thought Rodman was on the Bulls then and he wasn’t.
Com'on man. There is no such thing as a bad 60 win team. And beating the Warriors one time, is not enough to carry Lebron to the greatest. It's 1 series out of 4. ONE.
There shouldn't be a debate at all. And if there is, it already ended in 2011.
He said while on a Michael Jordan team.
Scottie led the post-first 3peat Bulls not the drug infested Bulls that MJ inherited.
I can easily say players from the late 80's through 90's were better, stronger, faster, and more skilled than today's players for the simple fact that they had to earn every point and statistic they got.
There is limited defense today to the extent that it doesn't even look like basketball. These guys would not be scoring as much as they do if real defense was allowed. We know hand checking was removed to increase point scoring. The reason why is it's a huge benefit on defense. When hand checking, the defender can feel where the defender is going. Our brain senses and interprets touch much more quickly allowing the defender to respond faster. This made it much more difficult to score compared to today they have to go purely of vision.
The other thing is a step back move did not exist because it's a travel. When trapped, they had to pass it, or perform a fade away shot. If these guys today couldn't perform their Olympic long jump step back to create space, they wouldn't have near the points they have. Previous players would've doubled their scoring if they didn't have to face a defense or could jump backwards to create space for a more open look.
Pippen was the ONLY teammate to ever make an all star team. you looked up seasons Rodman DIDNT play with Jordan lol you looked up his pistons seasons 🤣. He’s talking all stats on THOSE seasons WITH bron and MJ.
I didn't watch the video.. I do this with most MJ vids.
This is not a debate. His Airness is by far the G.O.A.T PERIOD
In my opinion the warriors are one of the best teams in history they are my favorite team right now. but the 96’ bulls were another level. The only reason being that Jordan was gonna guard curry while Pippen would guard KD and then Rodman would neutralize draymond, not even draymond would be able to guard Jordan, Kd might be able to stop Pippen, that’s the biggest flaw if todays game is that there is no actual defense, not like in the 90’s or early 2000’s. Anyway thanks for the reaction, nice video. 👍👍
I will also make the case that part of the reason todays players are better scorers is BECAUSE the defese is easier. If the players today had to go against the way the defense was played back in the day they their offense wouldnt be as good.
Rodman not playing with bulls anymore when he played all stars
If today's players are so physically gifted and fantastic why do they need to load manage? Also old school players all played both ends of the court. The term two way-player is a fairly new term not previously used during 80's and 90's.
"LeBron's level"???????? No, LeFemme has never played to Jordan's level, ever. I challenge you to go find a video of Jordan flopping, whining, throwing tantrums on the floor, traveling every game (and getting away with it), committing obvious offensive fouls (per the rule book and not getting called for it), yelling at refs (and not getting a technical), and not hustling on defense. I can guarantee you won't find any of that. Jordan achieved more in less time (13.5 season) than James (20 seasons).
Even with FACTS, LeFemme fans are so brainwashed that they still think it's false. China endorses LeFemme (and own ESPN). Agree with their politics (go woke) and do what they say (crossdress) and they will take care of you ("No party like a Diddy party!!!"). The propaganda tactic always works with young people (children, teens, young adults). That has always been a communist/socialist/marxist tactic.
Today's NBA players are not better than the 80's and 90's era NBA players. Go watch Kenny Smith's interview with Mark Jackson and he will explain it.
Having the best finals comeback in NBA history isn't a measurement of who the goat is. Does it help? Yeah. But it's not the bar. Jordan didn't face elimination in the finals. I'm a Clevelander man.. that championship hangs from my rafters... and still doesn't move the bar.
What we're not going to do is act like you didn't just finish saying the today's league is far easier to score in... and then in the very next breath say, the players of Jordan's era don't match up to the players of today. What you're trying to do is use my generations argument against the Oscar Robertson's and John Havlicek's... their competition was mailman, plumbers, police, in construction workers. Jordan's era was filled with Olympic athletes and players who did 3 and 4 years of college basketball. There were occasional high schoolers that transitioned to the pros, sure. But overall you can't say that about Jordan's competition. It's nonsense.
Ron Harper was great role player and a shell of himself.
My man you have zero clue throwing out fake facts... 5 HOF lol... He had one other allstar his entire career... Just Pippen.. If you knew the game, you would talk about rule changes over everything else. Why fans stop watching with this cupcake league that is losing views and season ticket holders at an alarming rate... You can always spot the fanboys. That isn't what happen with rule changes. The only rule they added was t's for hard fouls then 2003 they added no hand check then added defensive 3 seconds and later Curry rules no checking player going through the lane... You have been sheepled son with your bad takes.. Do your own research and stop listen to clutch sports