Anyone that’s suffered a knee injury knows it’s not just career ending but life changing. I suffered a torn ACL playing rugby 4 years ago and still experience impacts on my everyday life
Hyperextended my knee around 45 degrees in kickboxing training at 19 years old. Doctors drew 8 vials of blood from under my knee cap. I've had issues with that knee ever since. I continued in kickboxing and various other martial arts after I had healed but, it definitely caused permanent damage. I'm not a fan of knee kicks in mma but, yes fighters need to learn to defend against them.
I feel that in competition it should be banned, purely for the respect for opponents, because I've been a pro wrestler for the best part of a year, and I've developed the mindset to keep my opponents safe as possible. I've trained with the oblique kick in self defense classes and it could be a life saver, but real life and competition are two different things, and I feel in competition it shouldn't be utilised.
I don't think the Oblique Kick should be banned, there should be very few moves banned IMO. There just needs to be more training against more types of attacks and how to counter it. Part of the "Arts" aspect of Martial-Arts is learning how to fight and defend against moves you aren't as comfortable or as familiar with. This is part of the mass MMA Zeitgeist that is learning more and more about Oblique Kicks. I'm sure there are moves that are common in one martial art, that isn't common to most MMA fans, that once they start to be used more commonly, people will learn the defense / counter to. Part of that exploration is learning how to deal with said move, how to counter it moving forward. It's part of the never ending cycle of learning new moves, figuring out and testing counters against said moves, and then integrating that into your repertoire.
Great analysis as always! While I'm not a fighter, the same philosophy stands that as something changes, there's always a counter, and then a counter to the counter. I've seen it in bowling that as ball technology, especially the covers and their chemical makeup evolves, the chemistry in the lane oils and the patterns in that they're laid out change and that in turn, drives a new make up in ball construction. It's a constant: change.
Like the evolution of shields and armour in response to weapon technology which then changed in response to armour. The invention of guns is what finished off the age of plate and mail armour.
LMFAO the savat (sp?) cane thing made me legit laugh. These videos are awesome. It's cool to see in depth fighter perspective. Also, I'm waiting for Duke to sneak in a chop someday.
You showed multiple ways to defend this kick, maybe some of these people that want it banned should take note. Sure it sucks when people get injured by it, nobody wants that to happen. I don't watch a ton of MMA, but I love these videos explaining different moves/strikes and ways to defend and counter them.
I want to thank you both you! You guys came out to Iraq in 2015 along with Matt Hughes, Tyson griffin & a few others & rolled with us and had a lengthy Q&A session with us and that was an awesome experience, I will never forget getting tapped out by Jessamyn!
Great as always with the explanations. I think the whole 'banned' discussion also raises the fact if did do it that the officiating official could have miscalled it one way or the other. So the losing fighter may take umbrage on that.
As always. Excellent analysis and explanation of the kick and counter moves. I'm calling ESPN, and letting them know that I see a technical analyst in front of me.
Not exactly a fighter myself, but when it comes to fighting, the art is in evolving, and this psychological dance you have against your opponent. I think you are 100% right about that never ending circle. A move shouldn't be banned because it doesn't quite fit the status quo.
I Want To See Someone Win The Fight, Not Possibly Have Their Career Ended. This Is Not A Life Or Death Situation. Theses Fights Are A Form Of Entertainment For The Masses. That Being Said I Hate That Anyone Ends Up Getting Injured. Let Alone Have Permanent Injuries. Your Knee Is Never The Same After That.
I know this is an old video, but I felt the need to just say this is fascinating as someone who's pretty disconnected from MMA and combat sports outside of Pro Wrestling. You're basically describing real world "patches" that get released, when fighters find a new innovation that changes the game's meta, then the normal gameplay will change to compensate. In videogames it's the devs that have to make these changes, but in combat sports it's the athletes themselves. Awesome! 😁
I did change my mind a couple times about this but listening too what you had too say about it in more detail I have too agree with you i don't think it should be banned
First, thank you for referencing my favorite sf alpha character ma'am it brought a real smile to my day.Second you are so right about the evolution of mma. In the early days grapplers dominated because they had no real defence against grapplers but after a time, sprawl and brawl evolved and again and again, the sport evolves.
I don't know about English, but in French "oblique" means "a line that is neither vertical or horizontal ; and also not perpendicular or parallel to a specicic line". Like a weird line. Since the leg goes on a weird angle on an oblique kick, it could explain it. Maybe. Dont know lol.
Yeah I was going to comment this myself. "Neither parallel nor at right angles to a specified or implied line; slanting." Also Used as another version of the word "slash" I think that supports the theroy that it's based from the angles these kicks are normally thrown on or at.
First off, THAT SHIRT YOU’RE WEARING IS LIT! I used to do that kick as a kid “I’m not calling it the oblique kick 😂... sorry” i picked it up from practicing JKD, wing chun with friends. Also Jackie Chan did it in his movies. Later looked up savate. I got better at doing it. Used it in other things. What irritated me was people kept telling me I was doing the “Jon Jones” kick. Tried to explain it... nope. Eventually I was like whatever. I mixed this and cut kicks. And disguised it. I avoided hitting the knee unless it was life or death. You’re right it is evolving. I think it will be banned if someone big gets seriously taken out the game with it. Till then people will have to adjust to it. Hope they’re subscribed to this channel.
1. When you first said oblique in the community tab i thought it was liver shots or something to that area. I had to google it before i could make a decision on how i felt 2. Correct me if I'm wrong but the side kick is the strongest and accurate kick and when you are doing it that close to a knee its very dangerous cause the knee isnt designed to bend like that but i agree that you can defend it. I think if they ban that i would ban shots to the head cause we seen the damage cte has done to people in fields of football pro wrestling and other sports that involve violent contact. I think with these sports there needs to be more done to take care of the competitors and let them have life after sport so in my opinion i agree with you and there should be some kind of post career plan for competitors.
Hey BAEz! Hope your having a good weekend! When I use to wrestle in school, it wasn't as bad, though knee injuries were possible. When I took udo in high school, my master's kid use to ppu me aside, and show me the stuff that's offen used in MMA. I did learn the oblique kick from him. But all those classes were quite an experience for me. Hope your doing well! The BRE is the best! #BRE4Life
The Street Fighter games are my favorite. As long as it's not illegal I say do anything you can to win. That's just me and the way I think. Great video.
Like you said fighting have to keep evolving. That why UFC is no longer about style vs style but WHO IS THE BEST(ALL AROUND) FIGHTER. So these days you have to know BOTH grappling and striking. And when I means grappling I also means submissions. But of course if you want to do wrestling but one that combines it with submission then try CATCH WRESTLING, SAW(submission art wrestling. Which is partly based on catch wrestling. Although it is also inspired by judo and sambo. Kind of reminds me of luta livre(catch with judo)), luta livre(DUH?! Like I said it kinds of reminds me of submission art wrestling. But it mainly catch wrestling combined with judo), etc.
Also a quick question if you ban the oblique kick shouldn't you ban all kicks to the knee cuz again you can cause the same amount of damage pretty much with a round kick to the knee if not more
I’ve wondered as well why it’s called the oblique kick. But I can see both sides of the argument but to me the fighters know the dangers coming into a fight. I’ve gotten hurt in the past from just training sometimes its not a matter of if it’s a matter of when.
I'm glad I've started watching your videos because you have some really cogent takes. Your video on the oblique kick is the most comprehensive video on the issue I've seen. Your take on Joel from TLOU2 was pretty spot on. And your wrestling technique videos are concise and focused to be understandable even to a civilian like me. However, I wonder if you have the same opinion of Conor as a year ago. The Conor I know has zero title defenses, zero rematches against people he beat (Jose Aldo?) until Poirier (only because Poirier was a direct path to the title shot), zero defenses against locked-in rear nakeds/neck cranks (instead he waits five seconds then taps), and acted like shite after his second loss to Poirier (cracking his facade as a good loser). There are more reasons to believe Conor was coddled and groomed.
Everyone has zero defenses against “locked in” RNC. He broke the game. One of the only differences between “pro” and “amateur” is money. He’s still the biggest draw they have today. Drawing money is a skill that is necessary as a pro. And with the UFC and how they stifle fighter pay, he broke the game. Nobody has come along since that’s done it like that.
Hmmm… interesting conversation and move outlook. Still though, the risks you take in this are varied and I imagine known. After all, no one is legitimately trying to hurt eachother, but incapacitate for the decision rather technical or physical. I also wonder how often this injury from this move happen verses others to the opposition legs. Good stuff as always Shayna
I remember back in 2015 there were discussions on this being banned. Personally, I don't think it should be unless we see a dramatic increase in injuries from this.
Calf kick no. The oblique. (I agree I don't know why they call it that... I would call it a sidekick to the knee) My view is that we want to win... But I'm not going to take away someone livelihood to get that win when I have other techniques that work just as well to neutralize my opponent. A kick like that can be career ending. I get that there are lots of techniques that can end a career, but we want to minimize the risk as it's an incredibly dangerous sport as is let's not make it even more dangerous 😊
I don’t know if this is the correct reason but another definition of oblique is to be neither parallel nor at a right angel. Maybe the name is about the angle of attack? Another great vid btw
Hi, Shayna. You made a very good point on the oblique kicks with countering and blocking. Speaking of kicks I just want to know how do you feel about the spinning roundhouse kick? (Tornado kick) I have seen this kick performed a couple of times in MMA and WWE. Do you feel that the spinning roundhouse kick ( Tornado kick) is effective? When I have seen this kick performed, I've seen people turned their body at different angles, jump, or whole body turned 360 degrees. Is that a good kick to do and practice? Or will the opponent counter and take the person down? I like watching your videos. You really prove some points. Your a excellent, intelligent fighter, wrestler and teacher. You rock, Shayna. ( Your the true QUEEN OF SPADES)😀..
As always, basics first. Flahsy tricks like a "360 tornado" kick or what-have-you will seldom work. And when it does, it is usually because the basics were well established first.
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ITS such a good entry kick with multiple follow ups , its like a sentence with a word missing you have larger leg muscles than me so the tracking in your knees will be better and much a better shock absorption , a good kicker might use this kick and re barrel to the head any thing can come from there , and multiple of options going lower too so thats down to style or what art you practice . But yeah fighters need good medical insurance knee elbow injuries limit your earning potential esp if you are at the back of the Que for an operation i was out for 20 years waiting for 2 ops trapped nerves and cartilage/ tendons so whats the game plan light duties
@BAEz #BAEz it is called oblique kick, cause it comes diagonal/crooked/inclined from above to the leg/knee ;-) The oblique abs/rips are called just cause they are on the side ;-)
For anyone who may not know Savate is a French style of martial arts. The name Savate is Middle French and it means 'Old Shoe' hence the style in which practitioners fight. Michel Casseux is often credited with being the inventor of Savate and his student Charles Lecour is credited for turning Savate into the French style of boxing we know of today.
Real late to the party, but since nobody answered, I will: the oblique kick is called like that because the attacking leg comes down in an oblique (diagonal) motion relative to the ground or the fighter's body, rather than, e.g., an arch (like a roundhouse or an axe kick) or parallel to the ground/perpendicular to the body (like a frontal kick)
Another kind of kick to the leg that's causing quite a debate about its legality, is where the fighter did the lead leg side kick to the outside of the opponent's knee. Don't really know how to describe it properly, don't even know what its called. But fans of ONE Championship should know what I'm talking about, I mean ONE's RUclips channel made those shorts videos about it.
Step 1: See the thumbnail and question if I've been wrong about where obliques are. Step 2: Google obliques just to double check. Step 3: Watch the video and see they don't know why it's called an oblique kick either.
I 100% agree with you. To someone that hasn't trained, the kicks look bad. However, in martial arts you're trained to look for certain movements or triggers that telegraph your opponents move. As these are professional fighters, I'm guessing they're elite at detecting these moves and reacting properly.
I am against banning it because then I feel it'll start a domino effect for other moves to be banned. Instead, I would be intrigued to see what moves will be utilized to counter it. I think it'll inspire more creative defense and offense.
The key word to understand about this video it is all about prevention. Shayna aka the Queen of spades brilliantly explains everything. I fully agree with everything that she said because it makes sense 3 moves you can do to prevent that kind of attack. So I say no it shouldn't be banned.
Liability for me of using the oblique kick is so dangerous! Lucky, I don't use it in training! Even if I can kick it carefully! Although, thanks for that, Queen! You're great! :)
People just arent used to it yet so they think it's the most dangerous technique in the world, same with elbows people were so afraid of elbows they banned the 12 to 6 one like that's more dangerous than a flying knee. I've seen a fight where Adysanya was getting attacked by an oblique kick and he just pulled his leg away, now he's high level striker so seeing that move is nothing to him. We will eventually get passed this as the defence for it is figure out. ALSO this is the first time we have seen a major injury from this. More arms and legs have been broken than oblique kick injury, hell Bisping lost his eye to TRT Vitor head kick.
I believe it is an "oblique" kick because it doesn't come at you straight to the body of the attacker. In other words, not a front or elliptical kick. Either at a right angle to the body or extended outward. I think the Savate form is probably more correct in use and term. I could be wrong though. I'm less than an amateur.
As long as they don't ban the 7 Point Exploding Dong technique!!! I learned it from Billy Blanks himself! Tae Bo is the ONLY COMPLETE MARTIAL ARTS SYSTEM!
What's actually worse. Damage to the knee, or slamming your shin onto someone's forehead like a baseball bat? (Schevchenko vs Eye) Should they ban head kicks too?
Your training lineage shines through in these videos, your mentors should be proud. Question on the topic of the evolution the sport of MMA, what aspect of martial arts has benefitted the sport the most in your opinion?
I believe knowledge of the threat of the takedown changed everything. People had scene ground fighting (wrestling) and stand up (boxing) but never put together. To the point that people that tried to ban MMA at first argued that hitting someone while down was not "gentlemenly"
It shouldn’t be applied with full force in sparring, but there should just be more training on avoiding and defending it. The more we take out in people’s arsenals the less a fight it becomes.
9:22 is the vocal sound effect a requirement for me to effectively counter? i don't know much about fighting so i don't want to embarrass myself in a fight by forgetting any crucial details
one thing that i can not watch is when a knee is forced backwards (the knee is bending in the wrong way) it just makes me want to vomit, i can stand other gory or disgusting injuries but that one type of injury is awful for me to watch, i guess don't ban it, but i don't want to see a fighter get their knee injured in that way
I'm a Malay guy from Malaysia and practiced a Malay traditional martial arts called silat. In that martial arts we see a lot of this kind of kick been utilized especially in the savate style. Frankly this kick was considered as an illegal move in the sports version of the martial arts I mentioned (silat). As a silat practiotiner, I have seen my colleague use this so called oblique kick especially when fighting a martial artist who used a lot of high kicks. In terms of MMA however, I think this kick should not be banned but the fighters have to learn how to defense or react against them. Because from what I , banning the moves won't help the sports to evolve. And in my honest opinion, even the knee to he head of a downed opponent should be legal but controlled by a certain set of rules. Also, in my honest opinion, the sport of MMA should be allowed to evolve as much as it can. The defense of check move that you show here (which in my opinion is based on muay thai moves) is some very good and effective move. Nice observation, explanation and demonstration as always. There are actually several ways to defense and counter against this kick as I believe they thought it in muay thai, kalari payat, silat (and I believe they even thought it in) kali and some other Asian traditional martial arts. In my opinion however, stepping in, out or sideways would be the best defense where you can also do a counter that can put the user of the oblique kick in a huge disadvantage. P/S: This is just my personal opinion and I think it would be nice also to see you and J. Duke sit down in a coffee discussion about this and other moves set in MMA. Might give some new vibes to the channel we all loves.
Maybe it's called the Oblique kick (ANd this is just from thought I don't know the actual answer). Because it's performed the same way as you would when trying to kick someone in the abdomen.
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I have argued this with fans as well as fighters for years without a solid consensus. Do I think it should be banned, as a person who only watches and intermittently trains with fighters, yes. Only because of the risk of grievous injury and that it's a direct attack on a joint with weight on it. But that just me as a fan. Ultimately, I think that there is a degree of agreed risk that fighters take like getting knocked out, CTE joint injuries, ect. But I think it should be up to the organization, like 12 to 6 elbows and knees to the grounded opponent. I mean, there was talk YEARS ago about banning foot stops and hair pulling. I just don't want to see fighters getting life changing injuries that can be mitigated. But that's just me as a fan.
Anyone that’s suffered a knee injury knows it’s not just career ending but life changing. I suffered a torn ACL playing rugby 4 years ago and still experience impacts on my everyday life
It's called the oblique kick because it targets the oblique popliteal ligament (the one that stops your knee from bending side to side).
Hyperextended my knee around 45 degrees in kickboxing training at 19 years old. Doctors drew 8 vials of blood from under my knee cap. I've had issues with that knee ever since. I continued in kickboxing and various other martial arts after I had healed but, it definitely caused permanent damage.
I'm not a fan of knee kicks in mma but, yes fighters need to learn to defend against them.
I feel that in competition it should be banned, purely for the respect for opponents, because I've been a pro wrestler for the best part of a year, and I've developed the mindset to keep my opponents safe as possible. I've trained with the oblique kick in self defense classes and it could be a life saver, but real life and competition are two different things, and I feel in competition it shouldn't be utilised.
I don't think the Oblique Kick should be banned, there should be very few moves banned IMO.
There just needs to be more training against more types of attacks and how to counter it.
Part of the "Arts" aspect of Martial-Arts is learning how to fight and defend against moves you aren't as comfortable or as familiar with.
This is part of the mass MMA Zeitgeist that is learning more and more about Oblique Kicks.
I'm sure there are moves that are common in one martial art, that isn't common to most MMA fans, that once they start to be used more commonly, people will learn the defense / counter to.
Part of that exploration is learning how to deal with said move, how to counter it moving forward.
It's part of the never ending cycle of learning new moves, figuring out and testing counters against said moves, and then integrating that into your repertoire.
Okay but like I’m still so fucking happy because Shayna Baszler replied to two of my comments on her last RUclips video!!
Love you Shayna Baszler🤪❤️
I like how you explain the techniques and demonstrate them after. You definitely can learn a lot by how you teach.
Great analysis as always! While I'm not a fighter, the same philosophy stands that as something changes, there's always a counter, and then a counter to the counter. I've seen it in bowling that as ball technology, especially the covers and their chemical makeup evolves, the chemistry in the lane oils and the patterns in that they're laid out change and that in turn, drives a new make up in ball construction. It's a constant: change.
Like the evolution of shields and armour in response to weapon technology which then changed in response to armour. The invention of guns is what finished off the age of plate and mail armour.
Steel plate at least.. since modern soldiers and police wear ceramic plates in their armour
We throw it in the savate style in my Kenpo class, my Sifu calls it the shuffle kick. Definitely something I would use in a street situation.
LMFAO the savat (sp?) cane thing made me legit laugh. These videos are awesome. It's cool to see in depth fighter perspective.
Also, I'm waiting for Duke to sneak in a chop someday.
Also ANYONE WHO DISAGREES WITH ME IS A HORRIBLE PERSON
You showed multiple ways to defend this kick, maybe some of these people that want it banned should take note. Sure it sucks when people get injured by it, nobody wants that to happen. I don't watch a ton of MMA, but I love these videos explaining different moves/strikes and ways to defend and counter them.
I want to thank you both you! You guys came out to Iraq in 2015 along with Matt Hughes, Tyson griffin & a few others & rolled with us and had a lengthy Q&A session with us and that was an awesome experience, I will never forget getting tapped out by Jessamyn!
We STILL talk about those tours to this day!!!
Great as always with the explanations. I think the whole 'banned' discussion also raises the fact if did do it that the officiating official could have miscalled it one way or the other. So the losing fighter may take umbrage on that.
As always.
Excellent analysis and explanation of the kick and counter moves.
I'm calling ESPN, and letting them know that I see a technical analyst in front of me.
Not exactly a fighter myself, but when it comes to fighting, the art is in evolving, and this psychological dance you have against your opponent.
I think you are 100% right about that never ending circle. A move shouldn't be banned because it doesn't quite fit the status quo.
I Want To See Someone Win The Fight, Not Possibly Have Their Career Ended. This Is Not A Life Or Death Situation. Theses Fights Are A Form Of Entertainment For The Masses. That Being Said I Hate That Anyone Ends Up Getting Injured. Let Alone Have Permanent Injuries. Your Knee Is Never The Same After That.
I love these discussions on kicks. Thank you for the video.
I'm sure I'm late to this discussion, but I found out that there is a ligament in the knee called the POL (posterior oblique ligament).
I know this is an old video, but I felt the need to just say this is fascinating as someone who's pretty disconnected from MMA and combat sports outside of Pro Wrestling.
You're basically describing real world "patches" that get released, when fighters find a new innovation that changes the game's meta, then the normal gameplay will change to compensate. In videogames it's the devs that have to make these changes, but in combat sports it's the athletes themselves.
Awesome! 😁
Excellent analogy!
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I did change my mind a couple times about this but listening too what you had too say about it in more detail I have too agree with you i don't think it should be banned
I really like how you explain, very easy and detailed
First, thank you for referencing my favorite sf alpha character ma'am it brought a real smile to my day.Second you are so right about the evolution of mma. In the early days grapplers dominated because they had no real defence against grapplers but after a time, sprawl and brawl evolved and again and again, the sport evolves.
It was a learning experience. Great video.
I don't know about English, but in French "oblique" means "a line that is neither vertical or horizontal ; and also not perpendicular or parallel to a specicic line". Like a weird line.
Since the leg goes on a weird angle on an oblique kick, it could explain it. Maybe. Dont know lol.
Yeah I was going to comment this myself. "Neither parallel nor at right angles to a specified or implied line; slanting." Also Used as another version of the word "slash" I think that supports the theroy that it's based from the angles these kicks are normally thrown on or at.
actually secind defonition suppours this as well : "Not expressed or done in a direct way."
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This is correct in geometry in English as well.
First off, THAT SHIRT YOU’RE WEARING IS LIT!
I used to do that kick as a kid “I’m not calling it the oblique kick 😂... sorry” i picked it up from practicing JKD, wing chun with friends. Also Jackie Chan did it in his movies. Later looked up savate. I got better at doing it. Used it in other things.
What irritated me was people kept telling me I was doing the “Jon Jones” kick. Tried to explain it... nope. Eventually I was like whatever.
I mixed this and cut kicks. And disguised it. I avoided hitting the knee unless it was life or death.
You’re right it is evolving. I think it will be banned if someone big gets seriously taken out the game with it.
Till then people will have to adjust to it. Hope they’re subscribed to this channel.
Thank you so much for all the time and energy you spend on making these videos, 👑Shayna♠️
Oblique is a kind of angle! Great video !
I still own NFF: The Breakout on my VUDU. Been following your career since 2007. Keep kicking ass! 👊🏽
1. When you first said oblique in the community tab i thought it was liver shots or something to that area. I had to google it before i could make a decision on how i felt
2. Correct me if I'm wrong but the side kick is the strongest and accurate kick and when you are doing it that close to a knee its very dangerous cause the knee isnt designed to bend like that but i agree that you can defend it. I think if they ban that i would ban shots to the head cause we seen the damage cte has done to people in fields of football pro wrestling and other sports that involve violent contact. I think with these sports there needs to be more done to take care of the competitors and let them have life after sport so in my opinion i agree with you and there should be some kind of post career plan for competitors.
You should write a book one day. Great video Shayna hope you have a wonderful weekend
Hey BAEz! Hope your having a good weekend! When I use to wrestle in school, it wasn't as bad, though knee injuries were possible. When I took udo in high school, my master's kid use to ppu me aside, and show me the stuff that's offen used in MMA. I did learn the oblique kick from him. But all those classes were quite an experience for me. Hope your doing well! The BRE is the best! #BRE4Life
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The Street Fighter games are my favorite. As long as it's not illegal I say do anything you can to win. That's just me and the way I think. Great video.
Like you said fighting have to keep evolving. That why UFC is no longer about style vs style but WHO IS THE BEST(ALL AROUND) FIGHTER. So these days you have to know BOTH grappling and striking. And when I means grappling I also means submissions. But of course if you want to do wrestling but one that combines it with submission then try CATCH WRESTLING, SAW(submission art wrestling. Which is partly based on catch wrestling. Although it is also inspired by judo and sambo. Kind of reminds me of luta livre(catch with judo)), luta livre(DUH?! Like I said it kinds of reminds me of submission art wrestling. But it mainly catch wrestling combined with judo), etc.
An oblique is also a ligament in the knee. Something new for you to learn. You’re welcome 🙂
Thanks for yet another great video Shayna!
I’m the 200th liker of your video I’m now truly at ease with the world
Also a quick question if you ban the oblique kick shouldn't you ban all kicks to the knee cuz again you can cause the same amount of damage pretty much with a round kick to the knee if not more
I’ve wondered as well why it’s called the oblique kick. But I can see both sides of the argument but to me the fighters know the dangers coming into a fight. I’ve gotten hurt in the past from just training sometimes its not a matter of if it’s a matter of when.
I'm glad I've started watching your videos because you have some really cogent takes. Your video on the oblique kick is the most comprehensive video on the issue I've seen. Your take on Joel from TLOU2 was pretty spot on. And your wrestling technique videos are concise and focused to be understandable even to a civilian like me.
However, I wonder if you have the same opinion of Conor as a year ago. The Conor I know has zero title defenses, zero rematches against people he beat (Jose Aldo?) until Poirier (only because Poirier was a direct path to the title shot), zero defenses against locked-in rear nakeds/neck cranks (instead he waits five seconds then taps), and acted like shite after his second loss to Poirier (cracking his facade as a good loser). There are more reasons to believe Conor was coddled and groomed.
Everyone has zero defenses against “locked in” RNC. He broke the game. One of the only differences between “pro” and “amateur” is money. He’s still the biggest draw they have today. Drawing money is a skill that is necessary as a pro. And with the UFC and how they stifle fighter pay, he broke the game. Nobody has come along since that’s done it like that.
Bruce Lee. .. Used That Kick as A Defensive Block
From his back foot. Crazy!!
Omg omg I love this video I lean more and more of the move
Just i love every single video of SHAYNA .
I can't give literally any words on this as I know nothing about this kind of stuff but I hope you, Jess and Charlie are doing well BAEz!
In highschool as a small dude (5’7) that has always had been my go to. Hit the knees, big dudes just dropped.
Of course we were just kids you guys are Pro fighters.
Hmmm… interesting conversation and move outlook. Still though, the risks you take in this are varied and I imagine known. After all, no one is legitimately trying to hurt eachother, but incapacitate for the decision rather technical or physical. I also wonder how often this injury from this move happen verses others to the opposition legs. Good stuff as always Shayna
I remember back in 2015 there were discussions on this being banned. Personally, I don't think it should be unless we see a dramatic increase in injuries from this.
Jess came prepared today: brought her power socks
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Calf kick no. The oblique. (I agree I don't know why they call it that... I would call it a sidekick to the knee) My view is that we want to win... But I'm not going to take away someone livelihood to get that win when I have other techniques that work just as well to neutralize my opponent. A kick like that can be career ending. I get that there are lots of techniques that can end a career, but we want to minimize the risk as it's an incredibly dangerous sport as is let's not make it even more dangerous 😊
You should do more of these with Charlie
She'll always be around
I don’t know if this is the correct reason but another definition of oblique is to be neither parallel nor at a right angel. Maybe the name is about the angle of attack? Another great vid btw
Hi, Shayna.
You made a very good point on the oblique kicks with countering and blocking.
Speaking of kicks I just want to know how do you feel about the spinning roundhouse kick? (Tornado kick) I have seen this kick performed a couple of times in MMA and WWE. Do you feel that the spinning roundhouse kick ( Tornado kick) is effective? When I have seen this kick performed, I've seen people turned their body at different angles, jump, or whole body turned 360 degrees. Is that a good kick to do and practice? Or will the opponent counter and take the person down? I like watching your videos. You really prove some points. Your a excellent, intelligent fighter, wrestler and teacher.
You rock,
Shayna. ( Your the true QUEEN OF SPADES)😀..
As always, basics first. Flahsy tricks like a "360 tornado" kick or what-have-you will seldom work. And when it does, it is usually because the basics were well established first.
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But Shayna Adon came from sf1 and returned in sfalpha (or zero). He wasn't in sf2. But I love that you reference him 😍
ITS such a good entry kick with multiple follow ups , its like a sentence with a word missing you have larger leg muscles than me so the tracking in your knees will be better and much a better shock absorption , a good kicker might use this kick and re barrel to the head any thing can come from there , and multiple of options going lower too so thats down to style or what art you practice . But yeah fighters need good medical insurance knee elbow injuries limit your earning potential esp if you are at the back of the Que for an operation i was out for 20 years waiting for 2 ops trapped nerves and cartilage/ tendons so whats the game plan light duties
4th counter, slip 45 to the opponent's standing leg side. With the closed distance could do an elbow, knee, punch or into a takedown.
There are hundreds of counters
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it is called oblique kick, cause it comes diagonal/crooked/inclined from above to the leg/knee ;-)
The oblique abs/rips are called just cause they are on the side ;-)
There is also a tendon near the knee I’m the leg that has the name
For anyone who may not know Savate is a French style of martial arts. The name Savate is Middle French and it means 'Old Shoe' hence the style in which practitioners fight. Michel Casseux is often credited with being the inventor of Savate and his student Charles Lecour is credited for turning Savate into the French style of boxing we know of today.
Real late to the party, but since nobody answered, I will: the oblique kick is called like that because the attacking leg comes down in an oblique (diagonal) motion relative to the ground or the fighter's body, rather than, e.g., an arch (like a roundhouse or an axe kick) or parallel to the ground/perpendicular to the body (like a frontal kick)
Yup. Also learned there is a knee part called the oblique.
Another kind of kick to the leg that's causing quite a debate about its legality, is where the fighter did the lead leg side kick to the outside of the opponent's knee. Don't really know how to describe it properly, don't even know what its called. But fans of ONE Championship should know what I'm talking about, I mean ONE's RUclips channel made those shorts videos about it.
I talk about that one in this video too
@@QoSBaszler I must have missed that then lol was commenting as I'm watching
Awesome and informative video as always
Step 1: See the thumbnail and question if I've been wrong about where obliques are.
Step 2: Google obliques just to double check.
Step 3: Watch the video and see they don't know why it's called an oblique kick either.
Shayna you are so awesome and talented 🤘 and i love your vids keep up the amazing work and hope you and the BRE team have and blessed and safe day
I 100% agree with you. To someone that hasn't trained, the kicks look bad. However, in martial arts you're trained to look for certain movements or triggers that telegraph your opponents move. As these are professional fighters, I'm guessing they're elite at detecting these moves and reacting properly.
I am against banning it because then I feel it'll start a domino effect for other moves to be banned. Instead, I would be intrigued to see what moves will be utilized to counter it. I think it'll inspire more creative defense and offense.
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Why I no longer played football at the bears. Knees suck
Very interesting insight!
Great video🤘keep up the great work
The key word to understand about this video it is all about prevention. Shayna aka the Queen of spades brilliantly explains everything. I fully agree with everything that she said because it makes sense 3 moves you can do to prevent that kind of attack. So I say no it shouldn't be banned.
Liability for me of using the oblique kick is so dangerous! Lucky, I don't use it in training! Even if I can kick it carefully! Although, thanks for that, Queen! You're great! :)
Really great video 💗.. but where's chest slapping, Shayna?? I was waiting for that omg 😂
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People just arent used to it yet so they think it's the most dangerous technique in the world, same with elbows people were so afraid of elbows they banned the 12 to 6 one like that's more dangerous than a flying knee. I've seen a fight where Adysanya was getting attacked by an oblique kick and he just pulled his leg away, now he's high level striker so seeing that move is nothing to him. We will eventually get passed this as the defence for it is figure out.
ALSO this is the first time we have seen a major injury from this. More arms and legs have been broken than oblique kick injury, hell Bisping lost his eye to TRT Vitor head kick.
Is it against the rules to apply a slippery lotion/grease/oily substance to the area so that the kick slides off preventing contact/impact?
Yes. You can’t apply anything like that to the skin except around the orbital bone.
I believe it is an "oblique" kick because it doesn't come at you straight to the body of the attacker. In other words, not a front or elliptical kick. Either at a right angle to the body or extended outward. I think the Savate form is probably more correct in use and term.
I could be wrong though. I'm less than an amateur.
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As long as they don't ban the 7 Point Exploding Dong technique!!! I learned it from Billy Blanks himself! Tae Bo is the ONLY COMPLETE MARTIAL ARTS SYSTEM!
What's actually worse. Damage to the knee, or slamming your shin onto someone's forehead like a baseball bat? (Schevchenko vs Eye)
Should they ban head kicks too?
Super impressed. Shayna is a Hell of a teacher.
Your training lineage shines through in these videos, your mentors should be proud. Question on the topic of the evolution the sport of MMA, what aspect of martial arts has benefitted the sport the most in your opinion?
I believe knowledge of the threat of the takedown changed everything. People had scene ground fighting (wrestling) and stand up (boxing) but never put together. To the point that people that tried to ban MMA at first argued that hitting someone while down was not "gentlemenly"
It shouldn’t be applied with full force in sparring, but there should just be more training on avoiding and defending it. The more we take out in people’s arsenals the less a fight it becomes.
Thanks for the great video 🥇
9:22 is the vocal sound effect a requirement for me to effectively counter?
i don't know much about fighting so i don't want to embarrass myself in a fight by forgetting any crucial details
Yes, practice "bing" extensively.
If it works for El Guapo, it'll work for everyone doing a demonstration.
The oblique kick is appearently called that because it targets the oblique ligament in the knee
one thing that i can not watch is when a knee is forced backwards (the knee is bending in the wrong way) it just makes me want to vomit, i can stand other gory or disgusting injuries but that one type of injury is awful for me to watch, i guess don't ban it, but i don't want to see a fighter get their knee injured in that way
Yay more knowledge of ways to break someone's leg i love it 😁💪💯
I'm a Malay guy from Malaysia and practiced a Malay traditional martial arts called silat. In that martial arts we see a lot of this kind of kick been utilized especially in the savate style. Frankly this kick was considered as an illegal move in the sports version of the martial arts I mentioned (silat). As a silat practiotiner, I have seen my colleague use this so called oblique kick especially when fighting a martial artist who used a lot of high kicks.
In terms of MMA however, I think this kick should not be banned but the fighters have to learn how to defense or react against them. Because from what I , banning the moves won't help the sports to evolve. And in my honest opinion, even the knee to he head of a downed opponent should be legal but controlled by a certain set of rules. Also, in my honest opinion, the sport of MMA should be allowed to evolve as much as it can.
The defense of check move that you show here (which in my opinion is based on muay thai moves) is some very good and effective move. Nice observation, explanation and demonstration as always. There are actually several ways to defense and counter against this kick as I believe they thought it in muay thai, kalari payat, silat (and I believe they even thought it in) kali and some other Asian traditional martial arts. In my opinion however, stepping in, out or sideways would be the best defense where you can also do a counter that can put the user of the oblique kick in a huge disadvantage.
P/S: This is just my personal opinion and I think it would be nice also to see you and J. Duke sit down in a coffee discussion about this and other moves set in MMA. Might give some new vibes to the channel we all loves.
I LOVE silat and wish I had time to study it deeper
@@QoSBaszler You should if you have the time. I think Daniel Inosanto also know/learn silat...
ayyy shoutouts to Adon!
Maybe it's called the Oblique kick (ANd this is just from thought I don't know the actual answer). Because it's performed the same way as you would when trying to kick someone in the abdomen.
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oblique kick < side kick to the leg
I know what it is
@@QoSBaszler haha im just sayin
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I have argued this with fans as well as fighters for years without a solid consensus. Do I think it should be banned, as a person who only watches and intermittently trains with fighters, yes. Only because of the risk of grievous injury and that it's a direct attack on a joint with weight on it. But that just me as a fan. Ultimately, I think that there is a degree of agreed risk that fighters take like getting knocked out, CTE joint injuries, ect. But I think it should be up to the organization, like 12 to 6 elbows and knees to the grounded opponent. I mean, there was talk YEARS ago about banning foot stops and hair pulling. I just don't want to see fighters getting life changing injuries that can be mitigated. But that's just me as a fan.
Hair pulling IS banned. And I actually think 12-6 elbows should be allowed of others are allowed.