There's a theory that the entire film is a lie told by the Joker, a made up backstory and that this is current day Gotham where Batman is a present. To quote the Clown himself from the Killing Joke "if I'm to have a past, I'd prefer it to be multiple choice." I really like this theory and hope it's true
@@rebellion7463 oh I am? People are bullied and lonely and disenfranchised all across this country. But only someone like him, whatever was wrong with him, could be driven to violence. Just like school shooters. People say “oh if only they weren’t bullied, if only people were nicer”. That’s bullshit. That’s them. People shouldn’t be bullied. People should be nice but the reality is they aren’t. Only certain people choose to take their frustrations out on others
No sane person will believe, that Joker from the Murray scene, the riot scene and the Arkham asylum scene, is the same person as that lame, simpy, confused and pathetic guy in this poor sequel. I hope they paid You a lot of shekels, Todd Phillips. It would be tragic, if they made You destroy Your greatest artistic creation cheaply.
i love how this scene shows that in the beginning of the movie, the therapist doesnt listen and has no interest in what he has to say- while he is trying to tell her everything thats wrong with him and what he needs help with. then at the end the therapist is yearning for him to say anything that can explain his new behavior- and he no longer wants to talk anymore.
One thing about Joker that isn't talked about is how great a representaiton of New York City it is. NYC is not Succession and "Sex and the city". It's Joker, Laws of Gravity and Kids. That said, the dynamic where early on the therapist doesn't care, but after he becomes a hardened criminal suddenly she wants to make a career out of him is SPOT ON how New York City public health services operate. When you're a regular person trying to get help they cant be bothered to look away from their cell phone and just fill out the required forms. After you've punched a cop in the face or have stabbed someone on the train, suddenly every therapist in the hospital wants their 30 mins with you so they can run to the media and tell their story of having met you.
@iamcase1245 ...you know that's not the same therapist as earlier in the movie, right? The Social Worker was played by Sharon Washington. This is April Grace. Also, given the sympathy the social worker had for Arthur in their last meeting, and the mountain of case files on her desk, I'm guessing she legit wanted to help Arthur, but was so overstretched that she really couldn't beyond getting the medication he needed.
@@popularvote3613 You're correct that they're different people but my point is still that it's a great representation of NYC's mental health services. I've had friends and family on both sides of mental health meaning before and after prison and it's always the same patter. There's all the resources in the world and everyone is looking to hear every word after you have to say AFTER you've committed a felony.
I noticed Joker has 3 types of laughs throughout the whole movie: (1) the laugh that he cannot control because of his medical condition, (2) the fake laugh when he mocks someone for trying to be funny, and (3) the genuine laugh when something IS funny.
In the script, after Joker says ''You wouldn't get it'' he was supposed to add ''This is between me and him''. That's a clue as to what made him laugh.
Yknow what gives me chills, is the fact he is doing the kubric stare to the social worker and shortly after kills her which is why he has blood on the soles of his shoes
I always liked the theory that the last scene with Joker in Arkham with the therapist was a reveal that he was telling that story to her the entire time of something that happened years ago. At that moment he gets the revelation that the young kid he knew as Bruce Wayne is Batman, the same person responsible for his current, yet brief incarceration in Arkham. He laughs because he realizes that he was responsible for creating the very person that got him locked up. But there is also a sense of power now because he realizes that Batman was HIS doing. Which is why they allude to him killing his therapist (seeing his blood stained footsteps was an amazing way to allude to that) and breaking out of Arkham because he now has a new purpose.
I don’t get why people say that Arthur Fleck was never supposed to be the real joker In this scene he has already completely transformed and kills his therapist for no reason They could’ve made this the best joker but no, Hollywood can’t stand anything good to succeed
What sastifying to me is that he realised he has experienced traumatic and finnaly released it all in one happiness of frustation, rather than being angry he decided to be happy because he realised how much he has fallen into a hole he cannot crawl out of.
Arthur was so cruel and sinister here and now thanks to the sequel he's randomly reversed to being nervous and sad again. I loved this ending because even without seeing the rest of the movie he comes off like not just the joker but a very evil psychopath which was the point of this movie only for them to completely ruin his development with the sequel
The Joker 2019 filn was the true ending, it showed his transformation into the Joker, Joker 2 saw it all undone, how pathetic for a film, had it been his evolution into the clown prince je is today the rise of his criminal empire and his relatio ship with Quinn. The second film destroys it all. The ending shows the conclusion of the Joker's origin story
@@nathanchua617because it’s not a normal comic book movie. Arthur is an emotionally, physically, and sexually abused person. He was only confident off the high of murdering people. I love the portrayal of a totally disturbed man, arthur is a spectrum of disorder and emotion.
My theory is that this is the joker some time after the events of the film where he has been locked up in a mental hospital for being the joker. I feel like he’s laughing at the fact that he was the reason batman was created, which is why it cuts to Bruce and his dead parents. A lot of people think that the whole movie was in his head but I only think some of it was, I think he genuinely did become the joker by killing Murray.
Wow thanks for sharing this theory! The most satisfying one I've read so far. Reminds me of Dark Knight where Joker says he won't be complete without Batman.
I know this is unlikely but I like to think that this scene takes place years later and Bruce has become batman already and Arthur is just connecting it all together and knows Bruce is batman
@RuKind he has grey hair in his stubble/hair, a feature that arthur didnt have previously. even if it was 20 years later, arthur was 34, meaning he'd be 54 upon release. not too far of a stretch tbh.
@@michaelhill6451I didn’t say that was the actual case I just said I like to imagine that’s what’s happening although I just found out apparently in the original script he was also supposed to say “this is between me and him” after he says “you wouldn’t get it” so I guess this is not as far fetched as I originally thought
This scene is so damn cool. This is definitely Arthur years in the future, most likely after Bruce becomes Batman and locks him away at Arkham yet again. He’s either realizing that Bruce is Batman and finds it hilarious that he was the reason for it, or he’s thinking of the joke about inmates and the flashlight from the killing joke. Either way it’s a great ending that’s so open for interpretation. They really got the Joker right here.
Eh not really I don't think this Joker has anything to do with thinking about Batman most likely he's just having about what he thinks happened that night to Bruce's parents and such. This character is less arch villain Joker and more just sympathetic crazy guy incel Joker which works here for an else world film.
You gotta remember he hated Thomas Wayne, so finding out that the Waynes were shot and killed in front of their son is hilarious too him. Batman coming out later gives him something else to aim his hate at.
Arthur would be in his 70s by the time Bruce became batman, can't really see him going toe to toe with him, Bruce need only blow on him to break his hip.
I didn’t understand this ending when I first saw this movie, but now I do. He killed her as we can see his bloody footprints on the floor as he walks out of what I assume is “Arkham Asylum.” Finally actually becoming The Joker.
One of the greatest acting performances never seen on screen. Sure Joachim has put the bad moments of his life (sad childhood and crazy youth and losses) in this character
@Austin Madore I recall watching roughly 310 movies over the past 16 years. That's 19 movies per year. That's about 460 hours in total based on an average movies run time and if my math is correct. Lol. (I suck at math) This doesn't include movies I haven't finished yet or movies I can't remember. This took me an hour to recall and count just by memory. Lol. No, I don't think I need to watch more movies lmao. My brain's fried. 😄 I particularly loved Joker because it touches on an aspect of the human condition. Mental health.
So, after Joker 2, according to the director, this scene wasn't supposed to imply that the future Joker is laughing at the realization that he is responsible for the creation of his archnemesis Batman. Then tf was it supposed to imply? What was the point of the shot at 0:51? What was he laughing at if he never actually became THE Joker or ever met Batman?
I think what he was going for. Is the joker came up with the idea of batman for his hatred of the Waynes. And this is him thinking that it's funny to see Thomas Wayne's son being a superhero who's destined to stop him. And that he is imagining that he is some kind of super villain but in reality he's not. This is him laughing at the idea of what if me and him weren't so different. The idea about batman is not realistic for this universe
Foile a Deux really gaslighted the audience into thinking that THIS Arthur Fleck that we see in the ending, would let anyone humiliate him again? Seriously? He wouldn't even hesitate fcking a sec to slit someone's throat right away.
"See, there were these two guys in a lunatic asylum... and one night, one night they decide they don't like living in an asylum any more. They decide they're going to escape! So, like, they get up onto the roof, and there, just across this narrow gap, they see the rooftops of the town, stretching away in the moon light... stretching away to freedom. Now, the first guy, he jumps right across with no problem. But his friend, his friend didn't dare make the leap. Y'see... Y'see, he's afraid of falling. So then, the first guy has an idea... He says 'Hey! I have my flashlight with me! I'll shine it across the gap between the buildings. You can walk along the beam and join me!' B-but the second guy just shakes his head. He suh-says... He says 'Wh-what do you think I am? Crazy? You'd turn it off when I was half way across!" Joker during the Killing Joke comic book
All in favour of forgetting the existence of Joker Folie á Deux, and just accepting THIS as the true ending to this interpretation of Joker, raise your hand. ✋
Theory: this lady isn't a therapist. She's a detective there to ask questions for one of Jokers schemes. She locks herself in a room with Arthur, and he finds a way to kill him.
by the way, most dont count the end as one of the deaths in kill-count video's in the film, but if you'll notice the bloody footprints he leaves as he is walking away, he killed the woman who was interviewing him
1:58 I just finished watching Vertigo for the first time and there is a scene where a woman slowly walks down a hallway of a mental institution framed almost exactly like in this film and they're walking with the same tempo. It's a nice homage to a great film that I just picked up and it makes me appreciate The Joker even more.
So, the joke is that after tell her his story, in his mind, he died at the end, but he is still alive. Haha, I think that's a really good joke, a good dark joke.😅
I believe it was all in his mind. That laughing & crying/emotional pain is characteristic of someone who goes in and out of episodes - I’ve been there. When someone asks “why are you laughing?” (while faced with talking about difficult things) the thought of having to explain it all and knowing where to even start, it’s too exhausting and overwhelming, the emotion comes to the surface all at once (and suddenly the saying “if you didn’t laugh, you’d cry” comes to life) and you revert back to type instead. It’s easier sometimes, especially when dealing with authorities/organisations whose numbers, targets & pre-conceived ideas don’t allow individuals working for them to ever actually do their job properly, be able to allocate the time, care & resources into really hearing & helping someone - (which I’m sure Arthur references when he first meets his therapist.
I saw "Joker 2" yesterday. Such a disappointment. It was like a betrayal. The stupid musical bits, which interrupted the story flow aside - what they did to Arthur Fleck's character is just criminal. No sane person will believe, that Joker from the Murray scene, the riot scene and the Arkham asylum scene, is the same person as that lame, simpy, confused and pathetic guy in this poor sequel. I hope they paid You a lot of shekels, Todd Phillips. It would be tragic, if they made You destroy Your greatest artistic creation cheaply.
I like how they ended this movie like it was meant to be a standalone film but it became a huge hit and grossed over a billion dollars at the box office and the sequel has officially been greenlit and is coming out. Definitely can’t wait for the sequel! Edit: well… I take it back, the sequel is doing pretty awful. This movie should’ve been left as is.
Ok I think that joker learned the identity of Batman and that's why he says "you wouldn't get it" after we see bruce at 0:53 , he thinks this is funny because he created his worst enemy. ( I guess we'll never know)
I’ve always seen the joke as being chaos. Chaos begetting chaos, pain begetting pain, and just through his own act of madness and liberation he helped creating a champion of order in Batman
Batman's not a champion of order. If he was, there wouldn't be a need for a mental institution. If order was intact, everyone would know their role in life and be happy knowing their place. But since it's not, hence the chaos....
When I talk about film with my freinds.Most of them they say we dont understand film very clearly and joker's last words of film is ''You wouldn't get it'' .I think that's a message to everyone !!!
This scene alone clearly dispels the sequel movie "Folie A Deux" as being nothing more than a fantasy in Arthur's head during his time at Arkham. Notice his greying hair and his recollection of young Bruce Wayne... this scene takes places years in the future, making the events of "Folie A Deux" non-real.
Yeah bro I agree. I had also noticed that Arthur is much older in this scene than in Joker 2 and the first one. I also believe that this moment takes place in the future.
I haven't seen the second film yet... I had already seen a scene of Harley killing him... But it was just Arthur's illusion. In the same way that his death at the end could be just another one of his imaginations.
Imagine how crazy the ending would have been instead of the shot of bruce looking over his dead parents to batman in a dark shadow looking over arkham asylum
![How about another joke, Murray? | Joker [UltraHD, HDR]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/WbliHNs4q14/mqdefault.jpg)
There's a theory that the entire film is a lie told by the Joker, a made up backstory and that this is current day Gotham where Batman is a present. To quote the Clown himself from the Killing Joke "if I'm to have a past, I'd prefer it to be multiple choice." I really like this theory and hope it's true
MMMMmmmm
Now that's a good theory
I think the theory is that some on the parts are a theory not all of it
Hunter Hoehn the theory is falls
@@gport10 😂
Loneliness, rejection, bullying, abuse can really drive someone like Arthur Fleck to pure madness and violence.
& MORE
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only someone like him. what annoyed me about this movie were people being overly empathetic and understanding.
@@sammiepittman3130 you are part of the problem to push ppl like him to do the crazy things they do. Empathy and kindness prevents alot.
@@rebellion7463 oh I am? People are bullied and lonely and disenfranchised all across this country. But only someone like him, whatever was wrong with him, could be driven to violence. Just like school shooters. People say “oh if only they weren’t bullied, if only people were nicer”. That’s bullshit. That’s them. People shouldn’t be bullied. People should be nice but the reality is they aren’t. Only certain people choose to take their frustrations out on others
It says “The End” at the end of the film, therefore the story is done and no sequel exists.
A one and done masterpiece.
Yup Folie A Deux Was A Fantasy And Is Noncanon
@@ethanblair7351 Not just noncanon and fantasy, but also a bad dream.
Arthur is laughing at the movie being unintentionally hilarious
I'm so glad they never made a sequel to this masterpiece.
"B-But they--"
I'M SO GLAD THEY NEVER MADE A SEQUEL TO THIS MASTERPIECE!
EXACTLY WTF IS A JOKER 2???
this is the whole “the last of us part 2” situation all over again 😂
No sane person will believe, that Joker from the Murray scene, the riot scene and the Arkham asylum scene, is the same person as that lame, simpy, confused and pathetic guy in this poor sequel.
I hope they paid You a lot of shekels, Todd Phillips. It would be tragic, if they made You destroy Your greatest artistic creation cheaply.
@@Wano-Kuno Tlou 2 is still masterpiece compared to Joke 2 and made a whole tv show about it
@@Wano-Kuno the last of us part 2 can be amazing depending on ur opinion, joker 2 cant.
i love how this scene shows that in the beginning of the movie, the therapist doesnt listen and has no interest in what he has to say- while he is trying to tell her everything thats wrong with him and what he needs help with. then at the end the therapist is yearning for him to say anything that can explain his new behavior- and he no longer wants to talk anymore.
She wouldn’t get it
One thing about Joker that isn't talked about is how great a representaiton of New York City it is. NYC is not Succession and "Sex and the city". It's Joker, Laws of Gravity and Kids. That said, the dynamic where early on the therapist doesn't care, but after he becomes a hardened criminal suddenly she wants to make a career out of him is SPOT ON how New York City public health services operate. When you're a regular person trying to get help they cant be bothered to look away from their cell phone and just fill out the required forms. After you've punched a cop in the face or have stabbed someone on the train, suddenly every therapist in the hospital wants their 30 mins with you so they can run to the media and tell their story of having met you.
@iamcase1245
...you know that's not the same therapist as earlier in the movie, right? The Social Worker was played by Sharon Washington. This is April Grace.
Also, given the sympathy the social worker had for Arthur in their last meeting, and the mountain of case files on her desk, I'm guessing she legit wanted to help Arthur, but was so overstretched that she really couldn't beyond getting the medication he needed.
@@popularvote3613 You're correct that they're different people but my point is still that it's a great representation of NYC's mental health services. I've had friends and family on both sides of mental health meaning before and after prison and it's always the same patter. There's all the resources in the world and everyone is looking to hear every word after you have to say AFTER you've committed a felony.
@@iamcase1245Just like Taxi Driver did
5 years later i get the joke. He was laughing at how terrible is joker 2
More like was going to be
they ruined it so bad
All was a dream
Technically doesn’t this take place after the second movie therefore making the second movie a dream or a fake story by joker
LOL 💀
This is the actual ending to the Joker franchise.
Joker 2 ain't cannon to me. THIS is the real ending.
actually is already a canon
Joker 2 Sucked Balls. Who asked for a musical anyway?
Weird thing is, this scene isn't Canon in Joker 2
I agree. But one correction, there is no Joker franchise, it’s just this one film. 😉
this is the first time in the whole movie where he laughs from his heart.
m.s mathe also after killing murrayyyyyyy
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That makes no sense lol
@@flicksteryo It does. During the movie you see him laughing because of his condition, or faking it. This one is the first time he truly laughs
@@flicksteryo even Todd Phillips said that
@@sunmal1599 when he is being transported in the cop car, he laughs tho
I noticed Joker has 3 types of laughs throughout the whole movie: (1) the laugh that he cannot control because of his medical condition, (2) the fake laugh when he mocks someone for trying to be funny, and (3) the genuine laugh when something IS funny.
We all have that
his crying laugh
Once he started singing “that’s life” the filmmakers basically were setting up joke 2: the musical.
and part 2 is supposed to be a musical
You know, at this point even the song is only in his head.
Joke ahahaha
Did you not notice the bloody footprints after he leaves the therapy room?
Um, yeah…..
So glad they never made a terrible sequel to this masterpiece. This is the perfect ending to a great standalone film.🤡
In the script, after Joker says ''You wouldn't get it'' he was supposed to add ''This is between me and him''. That's a clue as to what made him laugh.
Would be a litte like the killing joke
Source?
@@butterflysoup7699 It was revealed to me in a dream
@@butterflysoup7699 read the screenplay lol. And no I’m not buying it for you
@@cybernautadventurer i think I was high and just didn’t read the “in the script” part
1:34 I still get chills when hearing him chuckle through the lyrics. Joaquin Phoenix absolutely crushed the complex character of the joker.
For me as well, this ending scene just solidifies Joaquin Phoenix’s place as the joker. Love this ending.
@@Troy-je1kf The eyes lol
Yknow what gives me chills, is the fact he is doing the kubric stare to the social worker and shortly after kills her which is why he has blood on the soles of his shoes
Glad I haven’t watched Joker 2 after hearing the spoiler reviews, because now this will forever be the ending I remember of Joker’s story.
Fucking good for you bro. Dont watch it
Yeah I'm not watching it just to keep this a masterpiece in my mind
Ending of Joker 2 is so Disturbing and Senseless
@@shreeharibhavik
More senseless if you ask me
after seeing Folie a Deux, let’s just say Arthur’s story ended right here…..
It was all in his head 😭
@@ebonkinght yep, Folie a Deux isn’t a sequel, it’s a fantasy inside a fantasy inside Arthur’s fantasy
@@David-xc4weHoly moly that was a fantasy
@@MartinMiller-MM schizophrenia is better than drugs i guess
Maybe you hate joker 2 but scene with Gary should always been canon
"And Remember that's life"
I always liked the theory that the last scene with Joker in Arkham with the therapist was a reveal that he was telling that story to her the entire time of something that happened years ago.
At that moment he gets the revelation that the young kid he knew as Bruce Wayne is Batman, the same person responsible for his current, yet brief incarceration in Arkham. He laughs because he realizes that he was responsible for creating the very person that got him locked up.
But there is also a sense of power now because he realizes that Batman was HIS doing. Which is why they allude to him killing his therapist (seeing his blood stained footsteps was an amazing way to allude to that) and breaking out of Arkham because he now has a new purpose.
You are correct, that's cool
at the exact same time he became the joker, batman was created 🤯
no 😢
Your take is much better than folie a deux
I love this theory so much
I don’t get why people say that Arthur Fleck was never supposed to be the real joker
In this scene he has already completely transformed and kills his therapist for no reason
They could’ve made this the best joker but no, Hollywood can’t stand anything good to succeed
I guess you came here from the future and the sequel itself already confirmed he never be the real sequel but very disappointed
There’s something really satisfying about this ending and I don’t know why
Maybe causs hes laughing from his happiness for the first time and not his condition
I guess cause he's finally happy that he took control of his life for once.
This is the first time in the movie he shows genuine happiness
What sastifying to me is that he realised he has experienced traumatic and finnaly released it all in one happiness of frustation, rather than being angry he decided to be happy because he realised how much he has fallen into a hole he cannot crawl out of.
Probably because in the end he shows that he was never “evil” for the sake of it, and he’s finally “himself”.
The brilliance of this movie is that it was filmed in New York which is indeed rapidly turning into Gotham City in 2024
haha
It was filmed in Newark New Jersey.
@@flyoverurbangarden4315 Joker was shot in New York City, New York, and Jersey City, New Jersey, USA
@@ricardoblikman2676Arthur’s like was a tragedy now it’s a comedy
@@cooldude3118 I don't think you live in a comedy if you live in the middle of those migrant shelters, mopad robbers and Venezuelan gangs.
Arthur was so cruel and sinister here and now thanks to the sequel he's randomly reversed to being nervous and sad again.
I loved this ending because even without seeing the rest of the movie he comes off like not just the joker but a very evil psychopath which was the point of this movie only for them to completely ruin his development with the sequel
I always thought this scene was in the future, years later and Joker was laughing at Batman
@@ArielLobato-qw1ql Arthur does look older here so I always thought so too
The Joker 2019 filn was the true ending, it showed his transformation into the Joker, Joker 2 saw it all undone, how pathetic for a film, had it been his evolution into the clown prince je is today the rise of his criminal empire and his relatio ship with Quinn. The second film destroys it all. The ending shows the conclusion of the Joker's origin story
@@Ashtasticle94 And he doesn't look skinny, he wins weight i think.
@@nathanchua617because it’s not a normal comic book movie. Arthur is an emotionally, physically, and sexually abused person. He was only confident off the high of murdering people. I love the portrayal of a totally disturbed man, arthur is a spectrum of disorder and emotion.
2:43 I always like to think that the orderly was chasing the Joker at first, but the second time they run by, it's the Joker chasing him.
Unfortunately no, but yeah would have been nice
Thats correct look closely at the way he runs like a clown
@@Haasanspeaks unfortunately nope
@@Haasanspeaks the joker is still cuffed though, the first person has his hands bound and the one chasing doesnt
No they're just running back and forth
Thank god this scene exists to make us believe that Joker 2 was just a bad spin-off.
In joker 2 I really thought he would be like he is in this scene.
My mom: why are you looking at a guy laughing?
Me: you wouldn’t get it
🤡🤣🤡🤣🤡🤣
My theory is that this is the joker some time after the events of the film where he has been locked up in a mental hospital for being the joker. I feel like he’s laughing at the fact that he was the reason batman was created, which is why it cuts to Bruce and his dead parents. A lot of people think that the whole movie was in his head but I only think some of it was, I think he genuinely did become the joker by killing Murray.
I think joker has supersanity because he’s singing that song
Wow thanks for sharing this theory! The most satisfying one I've read so far. Reminds me of Dark Knight where Joker says he won't be complete without Batman.
Perfect timing on that song, had me in tears by the end
I know this is unlikely but I like to think that this scene takes place years later and Bruce has become batman already and Arthur is just connecting it all together and knows Bruce is batman
I think this is the right suggestion, if they do a second movie it will be based on that tbf
@RuKind he has grey hair in his stubble/hair, a feature that arthur didnt have previously. even if it was 20 years later, arthur was 34, meaning he'd be 54 upon release. not too far of a stretch tbh.
@@murderme6192 The wrinkles at the sides of his eyes, he didn't have them earlier in the movie.
@@michaelhill6451I didn’t say that was the actual case I just said I like to imagine that’s what’s happening although I just found out apparently in the original script he was also supposed to say “this is between me and him” after he says “you wouldn’t get it” so I guess this is not as far fetched as I originally thought
@@murderme6192it wouldn't need to be 20 years neither, 15 years after would make batman old enough to fight crime
The joke:
What walks into an alley with six legs, but leaves with only two?
The Wayne Family.
😇
🤣HAHAHA🤣
This was actually pretty good 🤣
So he knew about the Wayne killings? Did he orchestrate them? Will his puppets break into Arkhem to set him free?
You're almost as funny as Arthur🤣🤣🤣
This scene is so damn cool. This is definitely Arthur years in the future, most likely after Bruce becomes Batman and locks him away at Arkham yet again. He’s either realizing that Bruce is Batman and finds it hilarious that he was the reason for it, or he’s thinking of the joke about inmates and the flashlight from the killing joke. Either way it’s a great ending that’s so open for interpretation. They really got the Joker right here.
Eh not really I don't think this Joker has anything to do with thinking about Batman most likely he's just having about what he thinks happened that night to Bruce's parents and such. This character is less arch villain Joker and more just sympathetic crazy guy incel Joker which works here for an else world film.
You gotta remember he hated Thomas Wayne, so finding out that the Waynes were shot and killed in front of their son is hilarious too him. Batman coming out later gives him something else to aim his hate at.
Arthur would be in his 70s by the time Bruce became batman, can't really see him going toe to toe with him, Bruce need only blow on him to break his hip.
This commenter is brain dead
@@ReaverLordTonus he would be in his early 50s and last I checked Nicholson was in his 50s when he fought a batman
What a fantastic Ending to a tragic Character surely they won't milk it by another Sequel.
I didn’t understand this ending when I first saw this movie, but now I do. He killed her as we can see his bloody footprints on the floor as he walks out of what I assume is “Arkham Asylum.” Finally actually becoming The Joker.
revert to the blood smile scene that is when he officially became the joker
The sequel messed that up
What a great ending this was, it’s definitely the ending of this character because there is no sequel for it and never will be.
Actually There Was Joker : Folie And *Gets Shot Midsentence*
What are the comments talking about? This is the only Joker movie ever made and the only one that exists
💯, joker 2 is a nightmare.
Me ignoring joker 2 exists 🗿
One of the greatest acting performances never seen on screen. Sure Joachim has put the bad moments of his life (sad childhood and crazy youth and losses) in this character
They didn't expect or want people to like this movie and Arthur, so that's why Joker 2 was made. It's a humiliation ritual.
Yes, they totally greenlit a movie with the intention of people not liking it. And when it was liked, spent $200m to ruin it. Makes complete sense. /s
@@LimeGreenLimethey wanted people to like it, they just weren’t happy with what people liked about it
@@LimeGreenLime They usd tthe Joker as a title,so they knew it would make a profit. But the message is clear.
When the sequel comes out, it's gonna be absolutely huge. Breaking records.
Would be nice but I doubt it
Don’t think so seems they completely threw away the original idea and sold out
Spoiler: No
This comment didn't age well...
Yeah about that....
Honestly the best movie and ending I have ever seen. I wonder what the next movie to top this will be.
Nothing can top this
Christ, that's sad lol
joker is trash lol
@Austin Madore
I recall watching roughly 310 movies over the past 16 years. That's 19 movies per year. That's about 460 hours in total based on an average movies run time and if my math is correct. Lol. (I suck at math) This doesn't include movies I haven't finished yet or movies I can't remember. This took me an hour to recall and count just by memory. Lol.
No, I don't think I need to watch more movies lmao. My brain's fried. 😄
I particularly loved Joker because it touches on an aspect of the human condition. Mental health.
@@gulagbatman1318 are u 16 years old? Explains why you think joker is good lol
So, after Joker 2, according to the director, this scene wasn't supposed to imply that the future Joker is laughing at the realization that he is responsible for the creation of his archnemesis Batman. Then tf was it supposed to imply? What was the point of the shot at 0:51? What was he laughing at if he never actually became THE Joker or ever met Batman?
The entire ending is retconned, not only does this scene not fit, he doesn't act the same anymore
Did todd talked about this scene?
In joker 2 they never mention Arthur been apart on arkham or said something about how Arthur killed that woman here.
well we know Todd is not dumb..but perhaps a greedy opportunist and ultimate troll lol
I think what he was going for. Is the joker came up with the idea of batman for his hatred of the Waynes. And this is him thinking that it's funny to see Thomas Wayne's son being a superhero who's destined to stop him. And that he is imagining that he is some kind of super villain but in reality he's not. This is him laughing at the idea of what if me and him weren't so different. The idea about batman is not realistic for this universe
Hell this is a beautiful looking movie! Im sure this film’s winning Best actor and best cinematography mark my words
Flat out ended the film with a Scooby-Doo chase sequence...and it's brilliant!
Foile a Deux really gaslighted the audience into thinking that THIS Arthur Fleck that we see in the ending, would let anyone humiliate him again? Seriously? He wouldn't even hesitate fcking a sec to slit someone's throat right away.
The joke he was thinking of was the possibility of Joker 2.
Joker 2 never happened folks, it was all in his head
I actually think this is canon
This is the only ending that exists in my book. Joker 2 did not happen.
"See, there were these two guys in a lunatic asylum... and one night, one night they decide they don't like living in an asylum any more. They decide they're going to escape! So, like, they get up onto the roof, and there, just across this narrow gap, they see the rooftops of the town, stretching away in the moon light... stretching away to freedom. Now, the first guy, he jumps right across with no problem. But his friend, his friend didn't dare make the leap. Y'see... Y'see, he's afraid of falling. So then, the first guy has an idea... He says 'Hey! I have my flashlight with me! I'll shine it across the gap between the buildings. You can walk along the beam and join me!' B-but the second guy just shakes his head. He suh-says... He says 'Wh-what do you think I am? Crazy? You'd turn it off when I was half way across!"
Joker during the Killing Joke comic book
All in favour of forgetting the existence of Joker Folie á Deux, and just accepting THIS as the true ending to this interpretation of Joker, raise your hand. ✋
Theory: this lady isn't a therapist. She's a detective there to ask questions for one of Jokers schemes. She locks herself in a room with Arthur, and he finds a way to kill him.
Ya I think that's what happened.
They destroyed this masterpiece. I am so sad.
by the way, most dont count the end as one of the deaths in kill-count video's in the film, but if you'll notice the bloody footprints he leaves as he is walking away, he killed the woman who was interviewing him
Bruh
@@FirstdaysRthehardest you wouldnt get it Sherlock
Sinatra just perfected this scene.
Except for the Murray show fantasy, this is the first time he truly laughed. You can see it in his eyes. The pain isn't there. Genius
let's just pretend that there is no sequel
1:58 I just finished watching Vertigo for the first time and there is a scene where a woman slowly walks down a hallway of a mental institution framed almost exactly like in this film and they're walking with the same tempo.
It's a nice homage to a great film that I just picked up and it makes me appreciate The Joker even more.
What if Arthur was thinking about the whole Joker Folie a deux and was laughing at the movie which is a really joke that you can't understand.
So, the joke is that after tell her his story, in his mind, he died at the end, but he is still alive. Haha, I think that's a really good joke, a good dark joke.😅
I believe it was all in his mind. That laughing & crying/emotional pain is characteristic of someone who goes in and out of episodes - I’ve been there.
When someone asks “why are you laughing?” (while faced with talking about difficult things) the thought of having to explain it all and knowing where to even start, it’s too exhausting and overwhelming, the emotion comes to the surface all at once (and suddenly the saying “if you didn’t laugh, you’d cry” comes to life) and you revert back to type instead. It’s easier sometimes, especially when dealing with authorities/organisations whose numbers, targets & pre-conceived ideas don’t allow individuals working for them to ever actually do their job properly, be able to allocate the time, care & resources into really hearing & helping someone - (which I’m sure Arthur references when he first meets his therapist.
The woman: What it is so funny? You want to tell it for me?
Joanquin after seeing Joker 2: You wouldnt get it
“the end” mustve been the intended ending but it made more money than expected so they made a sequel.
That pelvic thrust at the end tho! I’m truly glad they never gave this movie a sequel for the sake of money! How truly Hollywood that would be.
I saw "Joker 2" yesterday.
Such a disappointment. It was like a betrayal.
The stupid musical bits, which interrupted the story flow aside - what they did to Arthur Fleck's character is just criminal.
No sane person will believe, that Joker from the Murray scene, the riot scene and the Arkham asylum scene, is the same person as that lame, simpy, confused and pathetic guy in this poor sequel.
I hope they paid You a lot of shekels, Todd Phillips. It would be tragic, if they made You destroy Your greatest artistic creation cheaply.
This ending means nothing now after the sequel so sad.
The sequel does not exist.
Joker 2019 had one of the best endings but warner brothers ruined it
@petergriffinhorse1218 You mean terrible Todd Phillips and his writing teams had something to do with their disappointing lazy writings?
@@traydaniel0403 no I think the ending was simple yer affective
Here after watching the trailer for Joker 2
Ohhh 😮, there’s a second part ?? Wowwwww
We don’t talk about the 2nd film…
@@AFC2022 Yeah the sequel was horrible
“What’s so funny?”
Everyone just loves to ask that question, don’t they?
Thank you, Joaquin.
Thank you, Frank.
Thank you, Warner.
Lmao this scene doesnt even make sense now after the second movie. Just rendered meaningless.
This movie had so much potential for a great sequal.
@@ThePrescriberso much potential that this didn't even needed a sequal
We got this scene, yet Joker 2 destroyed it
What Joker 2?
The ending makes sense why the 2nd part is gonna be musical because joker thinks that way music makes his dream a structure.
I like how they ended this movie like it was meant to be a standalone film but it became a huge hit and grossed over a billion dollars at the box office and the sequel has officially been greenlit and is coming out. Definitely can’t wait for the sequel!
Edit: well… I take it back, the sequel is doing pretty awful. This movie should’ve been left as is.
Yeah kinda worried about the sequel hope it doesn't ruin The Joker
Not every movie needs a sequel though.
@@uncannydcmarvelous5732 I kinda wanna see it though. Trust in Pheonix lol A U turn from me.
Musical..
I wouldn't count it. It's a musical that mainly focuses on Harley Quinn falling in love with joker
You wouldn’t get it
“Killed 6 people” what a joke, he 100% killed the woman here, the blood will not be made just a metaphor
Ok I think that joker learned the identity of Batman and that's why he says "you wouldn't get it" after we see bruce at 0:53 , he thinks this is funny because he created his worst enemy. ( I guess we'll never know)
And joker live happily ever after The End
I loved Heath, but this was GOLDEN.
joker and batman was born at the same day
How?
@@gravityrushfan299The Joker was born the minute he murdered Murray, and Batman was born the minute his parents were murdered by Joe Chill.
@@gravityrushfan299you don't get it?
This is like watching your wedding tape after getting divorced.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Oh Maaan Exactly Where Did It Go Wrong(?)
Joker 2, what a piece of trash. I'll forever imagine that this is the real ending.
There is no Joker 2. This film was a one-and-done from the get-go.
If joker 2 is a musical it better be like this
Well. Was it?
@@samuelmyth8392sadly no.
Who else came back to this after seeing joker 2? 💀
Me
Some movies don't need sequels at all. A fine example 💯
I’ve always seen the joke as being chaos.
Chaos begetting chaos, pain begetting pain, and just through his own act of madness and liberation he helped creating a champion of order in Batman
Batman's not a champion of order. If he was, there wouldn't be a need for a mental institution. If order was intact, everyone would know their role in life and be happy knowing their place. But since it's not, hence the chaos....
When I talk about film with my freinds.Most of them they say we dont understand film very clearly and joker's last words of film is ''You wouldn't get it'' .I think that's a message to everyone !!!
Todd Phillips, the director, confirmed that this is Arthur’s “only genuine laugh in the movie”.
This is how Joker ended. Folle A Deux doesn’t exist or isn’t canon in my opinion.
He watched the sequel
The joke is life. The reason why she wouldn't get it is because she's going to die.
Before Joker 2: Ahh damn it’s over wish was a sequel.
After Joker 2: No need Sequel this is the only perfect ending of the movie.
And nothing else came out after this ending.
This is the real masterpiece,
Joker 2 is the joke 💀
Turns out he was laughing at what his masterpiece has came down to total trash of Joker 2
One of the all time Best films ❤
Remember when we thought Arthur would forever be Joker and face Batman?
I just didn’t see it going there. That’s why I thought this was the perfect ending and a sequel was completely unnecessary. And, well…
It was really nice that this movie was a one off and totally did not have a terrible sequel
I get it now, the real joke Arthur was laughing about is how bad the sequel is, so it was never canon and this is the real ending 😸
The second movie never happened. This is the TRUE ending.
Head canon: joker 2 was a bad dream he just woke up from
Arthur: *laughs*
Her: "what's funny"
Arthur: "Joker 2"
This scene alone clearly dispels the sequel movie "Folie A Deux" as being nothing more than a fantasy in Arthur's head during his time at Arkham.
Notice his greying hair and his recollection of young Bruce Wayne... this scene takes places years in the future, making the events of "Folie A Deux" non-real.
Yeah bro I agree. I had also noticed that Arthur is much older in this scene than in Joker 2 and the first one. I also believe that this moment takes place in the future.
I haven't seen the second film yet... I had already seen a scene of Harley killing him... But it was just Arthur's illusion. In the same way that his death at the end could be just another one of his imaginations.
Well said
@@ZaqueideGames Nop, if he died
Also notices how the second film never mention Arthur been in Arkham and him hilling his doctor.
Who’s here after watching that abomination of a sequel?
Imagine how crazy the ending would have been instead of the shot of bruce looking over his dead parents to batman in a dark shadow looking over arkham asylum
That would be awesome!