He could have been saved. There is a race that Voyager encountered a people that procreate by resurrecting the dead of other species and changing the reincarnated into one of them. The resurrected retain all their memory, experience and personality, but require a small procedure to return them to their pre-ressurected physiology.
It _can_ kill him, it just can't _keep_ him dead. He died in the first episode of _Enterprise_ season 4, but came back after Enterprise stopped the bad guy in the past.
USS Discovery didn't deserve to just be abandoned like that and wow just how unimportant did they make Zora out to be after all the hype surrounding her in the first place.
They had to do it that way because of the Star Trek Shorts episode: Calypso. It was meant to be explained next season but since it was cancelled, they had to retcon why the ship was 1000 years in the future and back to its original look in the short treks episode. In theory, Daniels knows the real reason why it had to be done and is setting it up for another Federation come back.
@@LegendslayX It still felt very forced (especially with the returning of the ship to its "Calypso" appearance when they haven't had any problem with other cosmetic retcons). As much as I loved "Calypso," and as much as I hate this trope, I think if they'd felt the need to _canonize_ the short, they should have just said it was Zora dreaming.
Usually when the writers paint themselves into a corner like that they just overlook canon. For this show to double down on that after pivoting so hard in season three is jarring, but at least they tried to respect their own canon.
Book: Tractor beam won't lock on, I don't understand. Doctore: Synchronize to 5.1732 Book: There are tens of thousands of frequencies how could you possibly know that. Doctor: God wills it! (I'm paraphrasing of course.) Lol there was a lot of bad stuff in this final episode. Like, "We can create a new body identical to the original but can't transfer the memories or essence." Uh, Picard did it with way less advanced tech centuries ago, so why not?
thats not paraphrasing. You just insert it as you 'feel' so. Thats what you felt like when hearing the original line. And you hide in behind 'paraphrasing' as a mean of a joke, insulting snarky comment because we cant tolerate differences in 'modern' society
So the search was for nothing. They found the tech, didn't use it, and basically let it get destroyed all so Michael could learn to love again. And L'ak died for nothing lol So why was it important for Craft to find Discovery. Yes, they needed to tie up that loose thread from Short Treks. But why was it important to revert Discovery to its old configuration just so Craft could find it and then be on his merry way? What's so important about him? And I never got the impression that "Calypso" took place in a timeline where Control won. Glad Saru lived to get married. He's my favorite character. I really didn't care about Kovich's identity. It was a nice Easter egg, but meh... Overall, Discovery had more misses than hits in my opinion.
I really liked that once the Progenitors' tech was revealed, it was clear that... it really wasn't that special. It's basically the Iconian gateways combined with the Dominion cloning tech, without even the terraforming power of the Genesis Device or the consciousness-transferring power of the Soong golems. Definitely not a facility you want falling into enemy hands, but I agree with Burnham's decision to toss it into a black hole-the 32nd century doesn't really gain anything by keeping it around.
It really emphasizes how the Galaxy has reached a point where it doesn’t need that kind of power. It’s technology of unbelievable power, but so old that in small ways the peoples of the Galaxy have already surpassed it.
to quote another piece of sci-fi - Nothing gets destroyed forever this is especially true around black-holes, we do not really understand them well enough, but, they generally do not destroy, constantly moving some portion of their accretion disk (or reflections thereof) into another dimension/time... a form of random long-distance trans-universe teleportation... we see that being used elsewhere in the show throwing it in a black hole can end quite badly if you look elsewhere in the franchise's setting history. or I guess it can complete the loop.
Designing a life form from first principles is still a tall order and it felt like the secret sauce of the tech was an ability to model what would take evolution millions of years to refine. Even the Founders merely adapted existing sets of dna. It’s still science notably beyond the current civilizations. But the idea of an ancient treasure no longer being valuable due to the passage of time is a time tested story device. There’s nothing particularly bad about the writers using it here.
Since Discovery can teleport ships places, I’d immediately keep it at base and use it to move the Fleet where they are needed (the ships can get back on their own)
a stuntman said he was playing Breen and Klingon soldiers before we even knew there were Breen in the show so I think SOMETHING Klingon related was filmed but then cut from the season
@internationalvibe Really? They brought back the Bajorns, Franing, Breen, Cardassians, Trill, Romulans, Vulcans, and a couple of other Alpha, Beta, Gamma, and Delta quadrants species, But they avoid the Klingon like the plague, when they can use the prosthetics from strange new worlds?
@@NCC-72545A yes but Disco has a very controversial history with the Klingons, whole reason they jumped forward in time was because of the backlash to how they were handling Klingons and TOS era stuff. So them wanting to steer clear of the Klingons for a little while makes sense
I actually liked this ending? Certainly at least a mid-tier series finale for Trek. Not the best, but miles above the ENT finale. And in the long history of unceremonious cancellations of sci-fi shows, it's among the better improvised closers.
I mean, ENT ending abruptly on a human supremacist plot was a bit surprising as a series end, but it was clearly cancelled without enough time to write one more episode to cap everything off. There was NOTHING AT ALL after the moon xenophobes story.
@@westrim That was definitely a better ending. I look at it this way: since it's a holodeck program, there's 0% chance it's completely accurate, thus everything that happens on the NX-01 Enterprise in that episode _cannot be canon._ Only the scenes on the Enterprise D. The rest's basically fan fiction.
I'm glad that you enjoyed the show. I bowed out when it became clear it was not for me, and the tabs I kept made clear it never became something I was interested in, but canon impacts aside, not everything has to be.
This show only lasted 5 seasons as a “fück you” to the fans who hate it and to say it lasted longer than Enterprise. I seriously TRIED to like this show and I just never could.
@@abukh86I never even learned the bridge crews names. Granted I only watched the first 3 seasons, and watched reviews of season 4 and 5. They didn't even have half of the bridge crew in the series finale. Everything about this show was awful and definitely wasn't Star Trek at all. 😅
I genuinely cried when it was ending. My dad was a huge trek fan, we used to watch it all the time together, going to the cinema to see the Kelvin movies, talking about the lore and links between each episode and series and even me bridging him into the ST:O beta canon. My dad died late April, and watching star trek will never be the same with being able to talk to him about it. The final season of Discovery hit hard with the reviles because I couldn't talk to him about it when these big things happened. and now its done.
it's hard sharing a common interest with someone for so long that when they are gone it's like a whole piece of your world just suddenly vanished I feel it everyday
It won't be; but its something you can share with a new person/people- including what your dad thought... its a way to help keep his memory alive, while doing for your friend/family that your dad did with you.
What if they become the Vadrash after the show ended+1000 years.. after all the Vulcans/Romulans got a name change too. The fella in that minisode might even be from the very place Book and Burnham retire too. As for loose ends there is a few still for Section 31 to clear up.
Unless the Q are ascended humanoids who were among the earliest evolved from the Progenitors genetic tampering. Quinn said they'd been around forever, but Q has implied they evolved from biological lifeforms the same way the Organians did.
That epilogue was completely unnecessary. They should have left it open-ended for future canon-building instead of aggressive territory marking by the writers.
I am truly mixed. Personally, I loathe the trope of the ancient tech having been previously abandoned and discovered by the ancient race before. It was done in Contact, Stargate, and others. The trope is getting old at this point to me. Kovich being Daniels brought a deserved smile to my face. I really liked the nod to Enterprise. Kovich and Reno are tied as my favorite characters, so it gets a place in my heart. The Progenitor/Preserver tech not being able to bring back L’ak was refreshing. I’m glad they did not pull a deus ex machina with that. It would feel cheap. We already had one implausible resurrection in this show with Culber. Glad we didn’t make death a minor inconvenience. The Calypso nod is stupid. They painted themselves into a corner and had to walk themselves out. The Chase is one of my favorite episodes of Trek. I loved this season and think it was the best of the five. Disco has always been polarized. The resurgence of Trek has been mixed. Disco is easily my lowest rated of the new shows, but I’m glad they went out this season like they did. If we did not have Discovery, we would not have had Strange New Worlds or Lower Decks.
Or possibly _Prodigy,_ which was way better than any fans expected it to be. I'm glad we're going to at least get a season 2 of it and hope they do more.
I’m glad it’s over and done. I eagerly await the next “series”…or idea. This whole thing has been aweful for me as a fan of Trek. This too…shall pass. 😔
Not a 10/10 finale, but not bad. I really liked the Kovich/Daniels reveal! That makes the new Archer Station more potent for him I'm sure, Kovich owes a whole lot to Archer. I do wonder how old he is though, if my math is right he'd definitely have to be well over 150 years old in Discovery (unless he time traveled a bit.) I suppose with medical tech and the temporal Cold War, either is a believable possibility. Daniels also said to Archer in Enterprise that he was only “mostly” human and that he had “lived many years and lived many lives” so that could be an explanation.
We know that variant timeline versions of people can be integrated as well, like with the version of Captain Braxton that tried to destroy Voyager, so he could have memories of dozens, even hundreds, of alternate timeline Daniels, making him even older mentally than physically.
Disco got better and better each season. To the point I wish we were getting more. Thankfully, we have Strange New Worlds, which I think we can all agree is awesome.
@bipolarminddroppings DISCO is my first Trek other than the movies and a handful of TNG episodes. Now I have watched every second of tv and movies and goddamn I love this franchise and I love that I'm not the only person who enjoys Discovery. The hate put out towards me when I told fans I liked it is enough for me to generally not interact with the Fandom. I expected better than the running into the same folks who complain about Star wars. Anytime someone has a complaint about a fictional universe that they have zero input into I die a little more.
I still need someone to explain to me why they threw the resource that is Zora and the Spore Drive away, so a thousand years later a refuge from another fallen Federation can have some nice moments with the Zora Voice actress? It's not like the guy from Calypso was taking Discovery to rebuild the Federation. They were working so hard to drop hints of a Calypso tie in that you can't imagine there's any other purpose for this deliberate stranding but that. It seems like they just wanted to snip that thread, so they did this.
Yeah I mean plot reasons obviously, but in-universe I think they hinted the explanation is that Kovich knows Craft is important somehow in the future. Who knows how far into the future he's seen or even been. Craft would have died without Discovery being where it was, so he must be important somehow, in some timeline at least.
To make the Short Trek canon; that's it. In universe? Maybe the "Craft" hint that (presumably) Daniels got was misinterpreted or overstated... And, perchance (most likely) we only saw the beginning on Craft's story, so the ending would be much more... satisfying. (Also, if I remember, he was actually fighting against The/A Federation (V'draysh being a pidgin'd term for Federation)...) Personally, I would've preferred it was just an alternate timeline (one that perhaps split off during the Red Angel Timejump) but que sera. (That is, of course, if Craft wasn't essentially Book and they rewrote what happened before/after the Time Jump)
To retcon a reason why it was abandoned in the calypso episode. The how/why were meant to be next season’s arc but since it was cancelled, they had to do it this way.
I agree. Tbh, I also wasn't really happy with how they did Discovery either. Felt like an easy out. Like they couldn't figure out a way to tastefully get rid of a fully sentient AI. Honestly, I would have preferred that the ship was lost defending her crew. Yes, it would have been incredibly sad, but a much better ending for such a ship than to sit in space for eternity falling apart.
Thank God this dumpster fire is put out and done! This finale had some good points, but just felt so forced and so many missing plot points missed during this episode itself. Some parts felt SO LONG and drawn out, I just wanted the story to continue rather than have a long-drawn scene about the crew being family. A little is fine, but not like this. This whole episodes flet like a cop out. I would have loved to see if the transporter question (Lower Decks) would be answered in this finale as the life equation. Or bring in "Q" to take away the answer saying that humanity is not yet ready, but soon... Something other than "nah" I don't think we should. 800 years of history just to give up and destroy it! Your ancestors wanted you to answer the question! Why did you not just send Zora with the Progenitors portal to both guard and forget about it until Michael Burnham descendants were "ready" and found Discovery and Zora, and finally answer the question! What I think upsets me more is that they never finished the series saying "these are the voyages of Star Trek Discovery"... I was never impressed or left wanting more from this series. Older Star Trek made me think and feel. I felt and thought nothing from this series. The show was terrible and I am glad it is done.
@@qubex - It's not a break in continuity. This line confirms that Daniels was not only on the NX-01 Enterprise, but that he was also on later versions.
@@FerdinandCesarano Well if you twist things that far why not assert that there’s an offscreen USS Enterprise in the 31st century and that he’s on her crew roaster? Why would it link back to a vessel that Burnham briefly encountered during the battle against Control et al.?
It was on 5 seasons, so it was successful from that standpoint. (Of course, it was on streaming service. So, only hardcore fans would pay a monthly subscription to see it. It wouldn’t have lasted that long on TV although it debut on CBS. ) Ultimately, it failed in its mission to tell story of the Federation during the ten years before Kirk took over the Enterprise.
I enjoyed this the most out of the seasons I watched. I liked the moments with the progenitor and Burnham when she explained the different ways some people find meaning in life. Great way to end this series!
Rick... Grand Master of turd polishing. * That's a compliment, Rick. You actually make this dumpster fire seem watchable to someone who has not seen it.
An the longest, saddest chapter in Star Trek history has finally been put out of its misery. Now we await the day when someone in charge looks at Discovery and says "that didn't happen."
For the travel time: Perhaps they sent them to the edge of the galaxy on the _other side of the galaxy,_ so they have to traverse the whole Delta quadrant to get home. Doesn't help with the inconsistencies within _TOS,_ but it's fun to think of them doing it that way.
I'm thinking Daniels/Kovich needed a place to stash Zora and/or the spore drive for some mysterious Red Directive yet-to-be-revealed timey-wimey reason. Maybe we'll find out in Section 31 or Starfleet Academy. 🙂🖖
You would take all the most uptodate technology out of a decommissioned ship , to use it elsewhere since that ship is not going to need it , since I have not seen series 5 I can’t comment on storyline reasons, but that’s why you would do it .
Has Discovery contributed a single original major idea to Trek? Everything has been an Easter egg or a revisit. Is cry-whispering enough? If so Discovery leaves a rich legacy.
Gormaganders? A time traveling angel suit? Trance Worms? The Burn? Programmable matter? Free floating nacelles? Species 10-C? Kelpiens? Ba'ul? The Sphere? Super hi-tech comm badge/replicator/transporter/tricorder combos? The myceleal network? Book's species? The butterfly people? The creatures that chased Tilly and her cadets? The Emerald Chain? The super secret library? Starfleet headqurters space station? The notion that the mirror universe is literally darker? The energy beings that ate away at the prison shuttle? The energy beings who tried to make peace with the Federation and Klingons after meeting Saru and his team in a forest? A previously unmentioned Klingon war? They were hit and miss, but certainly new.
So… with the progenitors tech/advanced lab being thrown into a black hole, what happens to all of the planets that were connected to it through the labs portals? It bugs me that they didn’t even consider all of those MANY worlds and what COULD happen to them by doing this.
Calypso is not related to Control and V'draysh is just a distorted slang term for Federation, some bad guys in DIS S3 also said V'draysh so it's not something the UFP became in an alt timeline and the reason they ended with Calypso is because that was going to be the plot of Season 6 according to the showrunner and since they were never going to get to tell that story in full they decided to at least close the loop somewhat and sorta explain it at the end of 5
@@maybetoby we don't know, he's from a Short Trek in 2018 that's shrouded in mystery and they've been dropping little hints and teases towards it for the past 6 years and dropped an even bigger tease with this last episode and with the show ending it's something that will never be resolved
ngl i love the look of older burnam. would like to see more of that uniform and style. also as someone else pointed out. discovery started at the battle of binary stars. it ends at the binary black holes.
7:34 ... Yeeah-Well ... sometimes it just ... is that way ... 😐 ... like ... I have No-Idea ... how I did that. I just did it. And I don't know if I can do it again. Probably Can ... but I don't know. 🤷
In all, I enjoyed the series. Wasn’t a huge fan of season 1 but I am glad I stuck with it. I also think they should have ended it at Saru’s wedding with Burnham beaming out for another red directive. Everything else could have been left open for interpretation and potential future series
Overall I liked this season. But the ending itself was... underwhelming. Especially the final scenes, which seemed very much an afterthought (the CGI of Discovery flying past the fleet looked horrendous). Its pretty much mid in terms of my favourite series endings. Not awful, but not fulfilling either. Nothing comes close to What You Leave Behind.
the new starfleet uniform looks weirdly like thy orville. I liked seasons 1 and 2 but when they started thanking each other for every little thing it became annoying i thing its good that its over
@@GSBarlev I'm alright with him being Daniels, but for a second I expected him to be Flint or an El-Aurian! Definitely wouldn't have wanted him to be future guy tho.
I can't believe I stuck with it for 8 years. The final was unearned. Canonizing Calypso is a double edge sword. Some of Discovery was good, some could have been great but the show needed better writers.
i know they probably wont see more the the 32c for a very long time but i would like to see what will happen with zora the relationship between a ship and her crew can be explored when the ship is sentient in of itself and is about to get a new body
To be honest, I'm kinda disappointed that there's no showdown between Rayner and Tahal, I was expecting that. Maybe future novels will find a resolution for that.
I really hope there is a better explanation for leaving Zora out wherever she is. Even if it's a different timeline to Calypso, Craft must be important somehow and Daniels must know why.
I think they sent discovery back in time to 23rd century, that's why they stripped it back to technology appropriate for that time. For whatever reason that craft guy thing needed to happen? Maybe they found another discovery waiting for them in 32nd century so they had to complete the loop. I guess we will never know. It's probably was just about closing that short trek loophole. But they unfortunately created more questions.
When I saw the episode was a bit longer, I realized there were doing a bit more to tie up the series. I just didn't expect all of what they did. The "reunion" in Michael's mind was bittersweet but nice to see Bryce there along with Owo and Detmer. I know the bridge crew wasn't the focus so it is nice we get to see them one final time. Also, I hope Tilly is in the new Academy series because we never did get much on the potential boyfriend angle. Hopefully that comment about her being the longest Academy instructor means we will see more of her. I think Discovery has always suffered from too many characters and not enough time for all of them.
Hi Rick, can you tell me what rifle Hale is using in episode 100 of yours I think? The one with the temporal accords being signed and all of the subsequent episodes.
I find it stupid that that tech can’t bring someone back to life or make a clone with their memories intact. There’s prescience in Star Trek that they can make clones with memories. Also is that Progenitor Michael meets her great great great ancestor?!
I think you misunderstood the context of Calypso. It never mentions control once, and control's goal was to wipe out sentient life, which wasn't even close to what had happened in the Short Trek. It's more likely the 42nd century that the short takes place to begin with.
I wasn't a fan of the last episode; I understand it's the journey and not the destination, but when the destination is the same result as if.you had not gone on the journey at all, it doesn't feel like great storytelling.
Sounds like it was the best ending discovery could have gotten but even then it was just good... Kinda reminds me pf enterpirse and Yoyeger just more polisering then both combind... Still I'm glad it was a thing and I'm glad we have the 32nd century now.
Wonderful review Rick. Of all the Discovery reviewers, yours feels most in line with my own take of season 5. Thanks for pointing out the intro change up. I failed to notice as I went with the skip option. Overall I enjoyed watching all 5 seasons and I'm a bit down trodden that there will be no more Disco Trek. Thankfully I have AMCs reinvisioning of Anne Rice's "Interview with a Vampire" to help dull the sting.
Here's my problem with the writers deciding that L'ak "couldn't" be brought back...did the writers just forget about Seven of Nine reviving Neelix after his death in the Voyager episode "Mortal Coil"? Couldn't the 32nd century Federation just replicate some 24th century Borg nanoprobes out of programmable matter and pull the same stunt on L'ak? Or like another user mentioned, what about the Kobali? They resurrect dead people all the time--they did it with Harry Kim and Lindsay Ballard! So many possible missed opportunities there to bring L'ak back, even if the Progenitor's tech couldn't do it. The writers dishonored the characters of both L'ak and Moll...they deserved a happy ending after everything they went through to get their freedom.
Thank you for this review! If I'm not mistaken, the Breen ship shown in your clip at 4:59 was referred to as a "scout" vessel by Saru, which accompanied their shuttle to the location of the dreadnaught.
well disco was consistent to the last at least, see guys fan ficts can be constant throwing what came before in the trash right up to the very last ep lol
care bears in space, sentimental schmaltzy nonsense. Can't say I'll miss discovery too much. The ep: having them float around was a bit goofy. why wasn't lak resurrect-able? His body was hardly cold lol. figuring out the frequency using space vibes? creators of life use a tri-force puzzle to access universe altering power? c'mon! I guess I'll miss Saru, I really liked the wedding outfits too!
I don't see the point of giving Progenitors progenitors. If time doesn't matter in the Progenitor device then why didn't the device's creators also leave someone there? And if someone else created the device then there would have been other life in the universe during the Progenitor's time.
@@JDSleeperlike the man said, the Progenitors were four billion years ago, there's been tens of thousands, or millions of successive galactic empires since then. And the universe is three times older than the Progenitors. A million years is already unimaginably long, and the universe is over twelve THOUSAND times older than that. Time is an abyss.
@@JDSleeper except they specifically established that time didn't matter inside the device. That's why there was a Progenitor inside the device even though they've benn extinct for billions of years. So it wouldn't matter if the device was created 1 billion, 2 billion, 5 billion, 10 billion years before the Progenitors.
The series was very hit and miss with gems that stand up as some of the best in trek. I personally loved Saru's character arc and the mirror universe stuff was pretty fun. But there are a whole lot of misguided attempts at trying to be new for the sake of being new. Ultimately, I'm glad they tried new things and overall I liked the series. I will wear my DISCO shirt proudly. It just took a long time to find its identity.
@@personzorz I don't wish to be overly unkind to Discovery in the comments of a relatively upbeat review of the series closer, particularly when I stopped watching after season 4. I will only say I like what Matalas is selling but not what Kurtzman has been cooking. Given the amount of deep-cut memory alpha mining present across the board, I think the deciding factor is more how everything works together in execution and ultimate explanation/resolution.
I actually did not like this last season. It started boring and ended boring. I thought at some point this was going to be about canceling out the burn which destroyed most Star Trek for what? 200-300 years of potential lore? We virtually will never be able to visit that era of Trek and if we do, we are stuck with those rules. Since Discovery showing up in the future fixes them not being in TOS lore doesn’t fix anything from the time of the Burn to now. Story-wise I also thought this was a weak season. This season had more in common with Super Mario Bros and/or video games in general with leveling up each episode or each level getting a little harder. Each episode was a virtual duplicate of the last till we get to the finale. IDK. I just thought they were trying to end it on some sort of Trek-lore moment since this show lacked much of standard Trek lore. I liked season 2-4. Season 1 was hard to swallow. Season 2, while I did like was too much Matrix/Terminator vs Starfleet. The Burn makes zero sense and a really poor choice as a story device. Seasons 3 and 4 while good make no sense either. Hey, 2200’s Star Fleet can function in the 3100s with a ship that is a mix of new and old tech, a crew that is out of time and it just works seamlessly. They save Starfleet and the probably the galaxy, what 2 or 3 times, twice in the 3100s? Yeah… NO… As much as I liked the tone and some aspects of the show this did not work well for me as STAR TREK. SNW is the only Trek show that actually feels like Trek. Tying in a short-trek episode which most did not see unless they are really into the social media aspects of following Trek was also a little questionable. Between the Kelvin timeline, this, SNW and Picard, Trek-lore is all over the place. Not as bad as where Star Wars is right now but not exactly in a good place. Picard season 3 did a great job of trying to fix most of it but you cannot fix years and hours of bad ideas in a handful of episodes that touch on these things as easter eggs. Trek needs to go in a different direction. Stop breaking the lore and just work within the arches you already have. Nearly 60 years of Star Trek and this is what they come up with…
i think this is my least favorite star trek series of modern star trek it did so many things wrong like the warhammer style klingons and the ships and the redesign of the enterprise in season 2 wich thank god picard fixed that also the spore drive for me it make no sense kinda make the quantom slips drive like a downgrade or what ever they call warp 10 and the fact that the burnam was a step sister to spock was strange choise
This episode is where the reshoots felt the most. I think there was no way to close all the characters. I hope those left behind have an opportunity to shine on the Academy series. Also, they saying Tilly became the longest serving teacher on the Academy means Pelia never returns to teach at the Academy after SNW? After all, she could still be alive by Disco times. Though the Galaxy and Starfleet are dangerous places.
How does a progenitor that lasted between 2 black holes retain her black skin colour ? Skin pigmentation tone is in response to sunlight so how did she retain it ? Gene Roddenberry admitted that his inspiration to write star trek was based on his travels to India & he enjoyed the Hindu puranas , cyclical time concept is as old as the RG Veda much of what we see in star trek can be found in these ancient Hindu religious books that hint at possible history entwined into myth & written as poetic stories. Unfortunately this s.t.d did not live up to most Trekkies expectations even though it had a big budget & lotsa special effects etc but for some reason/s it never took off possibly because purist Trekkies like myself feel it tried to do to much to satisfy a more diverse audience. So I for 1 am glad it's ended , it cud also be an overload of the same same - shields down to 30% , whole Federation depends on 1 ship to save it all there's been so many star trek series done b4 discovery that it's just on the end of a long line.good riddance !
Mann I know Discovery was not everyone’s cup of tea but I truly loved it and felt just as the others really came into its own. This last episode I felt was a great send off for the USS Discovery and now admiral Burnham. It’ll be very interesting in the next 20 years or so just like Enterprise to see how ppl feel about Discovery
Worst writing ever, yhey threw both the tech and discovery in the trash. Like why not send stamets in there for like 20 minutes to idk scan something? Getting really tired of this woke culture ruining things for the majority of the fan base
He could have been saved. There is a race that Voyager encountered a people that procreate by resurrecting the dead of other species and changing the reincarnated into one of them. The resurrected retain all their memory, experience and personality, but require a small procedure to return them to their pre-ressurected physiology.
I love how Daniels is alive and well… time can’t kill him.
It _can_ kill him, it just can't _keep_ him dead. He died in the first episode of _Enterprise_ season 4, but came back after Enterprise stopped the bad guy in the past.
USS Discovery didn't deserve to just be abandoned like that and wow just how unimportant did they make Zora out to be after all the hype surrounding her in the first place.
They had to do it that way because of the Star Trek Shorts episode: Calypso. It was meant to be explained next season but since it was cancelled, they had to retcon why the ship was 1000 years in the future and back to its original look in the short treks episode. In theory, Daniels knows the real reason why it had to be done and is setting it up for another Federation come back.
@@LegendslayX It still felt very forced (especially with the returning of the ship to its "Calypso" appearance when they haven't had any problem with other cosmetic retcons). As much as I loved "Calypso," and as much as I hate this trope, I think if they'd felt the need to _canonize_ the short, they should have just said it was Zora dreaming.
Agree, hopefully sequel novels will find a resolution for that.
Usually when the writers paint themselves into a corner like that they just overlook canon. For this show to double down on that after pivoting so hard in season three is jarring, but at least they tried to respect their own canon.
@@Jayjay-qe6umyou’d have to be stupid or in jail or something to wanna read a novel of this stupid series.
Book: Tractor beam won't lock on, I don't understand.
Doctore: Synchronize to 5.1732
Book: There are tens of thousands of frequencies how could you possibly know that.
Doctor: God wills it! (I'm paraphrasing of course.)
Lol there was a lot of bad stuff in this final episode. Like, "We can create a new body identical to the original but can't transfer the memories or essence." Uh, Picard did it with way less advanced tech centuries ago, so why not?
Enterprise too
I mean, he literally explained later on that it was one of the memories of the trill scientist that occupied his body, so it's not that far-fetched
thats not paraphrasing. You just insert it as you 'feel' so. Thats what you felt like when hearing the original line. And you hide in behind 'paraphrasing' as a mean of a joke, insulting snarky comment because we cant tolerate differences in 'modern' society
So the search was for nothing. They found the tech, didn't use it, and basically let it get destroyed all so Michael could learn to love again. And L'ak died for nothing lol
So why was it important for Craft to find Discovery. Yes, they needed to tie up that loose thread from Short Treks. But why was it important to revert Discovery to its old configuration just so Craft could find it and then be on his merry way? What's so important about him? And I never got the impression that "Calypso" took place in a timeline where Control won.
Glad Saru lived to get married. He's my favorite character.
I really didn't care about Kovich's identity. It was a nice Easter egg, but meh...
Overall, Discovery had more misses than hits in my opinion.
It's just one big miss.
That ironically won't be missed.
I really liked that once the Progenitors' tech was revealed, it was clear that... it really wasn't that special. It's basically the Iconian gateways combined with the Dominion cloning tech, without even the terraforming power of the Genesis Device or the consciousness-transferring power of the Soong golems.
Definitely not a facility you want falling into enemy hands, but I agree with Burnham's decision to toss it into a black hole-the 32nd century doesn't really gain anything by keeping it around.
It really emphasizes how the Galaxy has reached a point where it doesn’t need that kind of power. It’s technology of unbelievable power, but so old that in small ways the peoples of the Galaxy have already surpassed it.
to quote another piece of sci-fi - Nothing gets destroyed forever
this is especially true around black-holes, we do not really understand them well enough, but, they generally do not destroy, constantly moving some portion of their accretion disk (or reflections thereof) into another dimension/time... a form of random long-distance trans-universe teleportation...
we see that being used elsewhere in the show
throwing it in a black hole can end quite badly if you look elsewhere in the franchise's setting history.
or I guess it can complete the loop.
Seriously 😐
Designing a life form from first principles is still a tall order and it felt like the secret sauce of the tech was an ability to model what would take evolution millions of years to refine. Even the Founders merely adapted existing sets of dna. It’s still science notably beyond the current civilizations. But the idea of an ancient treasure no longer being valuable due to the passage of time is a time tested story device. There’s nothing particularly bad about the writers using it here.
Also anyone getting Orville vibes from the shuttles?
They steal anything.
Hah I thought the same
I've recently started watching the Orville then saw the shuttles and was like "hmm these look familiar."
My first thought when I saw it 😂😂
I want to see Star Trek venture into a 2D universe, just to see how they'd make it look. _The Orville_ did a great job with their version!
Since Discovery can teleport ships places, I’d immediately keep it at base and use it to move the Fleet where they are needed (the ships can get back on their own)
Still didn't see any Klingon in the 30th or 31st century.
I think they intentionally steered well clear of bringing them back after the first couple seasons.
For the best
a stuntman said he was playing Breen and Klingon soldiers before we even knew there were Breen in the show so I think SOMETHING Klingon related was filmed but then cut from the season
@internationalvibe Really? They brought back the Bajorns, Franing, Breen, Cardassians, Trill, Romulans, Vulcans, and a couple of other Alpha, Beta, Gamma, and Delta quadrants species, But they avoid the Klingon like the plague, when they can use the prosthetics from strange new worlds?
@@NCC-72545A yes but Disco has a very controversial history with the Klingons, whole reason they jumped forward in time was because of the backlash to how they were handling Klingons and TOS era stuff.
So them wanting to steer clear of the Klingons for a little while makes sense
12:03 the child is Leto, not Leo, his name is shown if you have the subtitles on.
Yep. A reference to -the God-emperor of Dune- Book's nephew who died at the start of Season 4. I found it extremely touching.
I actually liked this ending? Certainly at least a mid-tier series finale for Trek. Not the best, but miles above the ENT finale. And in the long history of unceremonious cancellations of sci-fi shows, it's among the better improvised closers.
I mean, ENT ending abruptly on a human supremacist plot was a bit surprising as a series end, but it was clearly cancelled without enough time to write one more episode to cap everything off. There was NOTHING AT ALL after the moon xenophobes story.
@@westrim That was definitely a better ending. I look at it this way: since it's a holodeck program, there's 0% chance it's completely accurate, thus everything that happens on the NX-01 Enterprise in that episode _cannot be canon._ Only the scenes on the Enterprise D. The rest's basically fan fiction.
I'm glad that you enjoyed the show. I bowed out when it became clear it was not for me, and the tabs I kept made clear it never became something I was interested in, but canon impacts aside, not everything has to be.
You should have stuck with it. Seasons 1 and 2 were terrible; the show really turned me off at that time. But it got progressively better after that.
This show only lasted 5 seasons as a “fück you” to the fans who hate it and to say it lasted longer than Enterprise.
I seriously TRIED to like this show and I just never could.
I honestly can't get myself to watch this final season. I simply hate the characters.
@@abukh86I never even learned the bridge crews names. Granted I only watched the first 3 seasons, and watched reviews of season 4 and 5. They didn't even have half of the bridge crew in the series finale. Everything about this show was awful and definitely wasn't Star Trek at all. 😅
Been looking forward to this. Your “recaps” have been my go-to this year. Glad I found you.
I genuinely cried when it was ending.
My dad was a huge trek fan, we used to watch it all the time together, going to the cinema to see the Kelvin movies, talking about the lore and links between each episode and series and even me bridging him into the ST:O beta canon.
My dad died late April, and watching star trek will never be the same with being able to talk to him about it. The final season of Discovery hit hard with the reviles because I couldn't talk to him about it when these big things happened. and now its done.
it's hard sharing a common interest with someone for so long that when they are gone it's like a whole piece of your world just suddenly vanished I feel it everyday
It won't be; but its something you can share with a new person/people- including what your dad thought... its a way to help keep his memory alive, while doing for your friend/family that your dad did with you.
Sorry for your loss. The memories help, but the grief continues. Only time can help you heal.
What if they become the Vadrash after the show ended+1000 years.. after all the Vulcans/Romulans got a name change too.
The fella in that minisode might even be from the very place Book and Burnham retire too.
As for loose ends there is a few still for Section 31 to clear up.
You know the first beings would always be the Q then the progenitors
Unless the Q are ascended humanoids who were among the earliest evolved from the Progenitors genetic tampering. Quinn said they'd been around forever, but Q has implied they evolved from biological lifeforms the same way the Organians did.
Progenitor tech 🤝 Omega molecule
That epilogue was completely unnecessary. They should have left it open-ended for future canon-building instead of aggressive territory marking by the writers.
The whole show is an anti-canon show for Star Trek, so at least they're consistent until the end.
Your outro music is the best in all of RUclips.
I am truly mixed. Personally, I loathe the trope of the ancient tech having been previously abandoned and discovered by the ancient race before. It was done in Contact, Stargate, and others. The trope is getting old at this point to me. Kovich being Daniels brought a deserved smile to my face. I really liked the nod to Enterprise. Kovich and Reno are tied as my favorite characters, so it gets a place in my heart.
The Progenitor/Preserver tech not being able to bring back L’ak was refreshing. I’m glad they did not pull a deus ex machina with that. It would feel cheap. We already had one implausible resurrection in this show with Culber. Glad we didn’t make death a minor inconvenience.
The Calypso nod is stupid. They painted themselves into a corner and had to walk themselves out.
The Chase is one of my favorite episodes of Trek. I loved this season and think it was the best of the five. Disco has always been polarized. The resurgence of Trek has been mixed. Disco is easily my lowest rated of the new shows, but I’m glad they went out this season like they did. If we did not have Discovery, we would not have had Strange New Worlds or Lower Decks.
Or possibly _Prodigy,_ which was way better than any fans expected it to be. I'm glad we're going to at least get a season 2 of it and hope they do more.
I’m glad it’s over and done.
I eagerly await the next “series”…or idea.
This whole thing has been aweful for me as a fan of Trek.
This too…shall pass.
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Pass like a kidney stone
Oh please, we knew they weren't going to be allowed to keep their shiny new toy! 🫤
Not a 10/10 finale, but not bad.
I really liked the Kovich/Daniels reveal!
That makes the new Archer Station more potent for him I'm sure, Kovich owes a whole lot to Archer.
I do wonder how old he is though, if my math is right he'd definitely have to be well over 150 years old in Discovery (unless he time traveled a bit.) I suppose with medical tech and the temporal Cold War, either is a believable possibility. Daniels also said to Archer in Enterprise that he was only “mostly” human and that he had “lived many years and lived many lives” so that could be an explanation.
And its likely he gets bounced around a little; no need to be here for this decade- lemme find the fast forward button (or cryotube)
We know that variant timeline versions of people can be integrated as well, like with the version of Captain Braxton that tried to destroy Voyager, so he could have memories of dozens, even hundreds, of alternate timeline Daniels, making him even older mentally than physically.
This last season was actually good. From where DISCO started I'd say it really was a long road to get from there to here.
It's been a long time, but their time...has finally come.
Agent Daniels liked that
Disco got better and better each season. To the point I wish we were getting more.
Thankfully, we have Strange New Worlds, which I think we can all agree is awesome.
@bipolarminddroppings DISCO is my first Trek other than the movies and a handful of TNG episodes. Now I have watched every second of tv and movies and goddamn I love this franchise and I love that I'm not the only person who enjoys Discovery. The hate put out towards me when I told fans I liked it is enough for me to generally not interact with the Fandom. I expected better than the running into the same folks who complain about Star wars. Anytime someone has a complaint about a fictional universe that they have zero input into I die a little more.
I still need someone to explain to me why they threw the resource that is Zora and the Spore Drive away, so a thousand years later a refuge from another fallen Federation can have some nice moments with the Zora Voice actress? It's not like the guy from Calypso was taking Discovery to rebuild the Federation. They were working so hard to drop hints of a Calypso tie in that you can't imagine there's any other purpose for this deliberate stranding but that.
It seems like they just wanted to snip that thread, so they did this.
Yeah I mean plot reasons obviously, but in-universe I think they hinted the explanation is that Kovich knows Craft is important somehow in the future. Who knows how far into the future he's seen or even been. Craft would have died without Discovery being where it was, so he must be important somehow, in some timeline at least.
To make the Short Trek canon; that's it.
In universe? Maybe the "Craft" hint that (presumably) Daniels got was misinterpreted or overstated... And, perchance (most likely) we only saw the beginning on Craft's story, so the ending would be much more... satisfying. (Also, if I remember, he was actually fighting against The/A Federation (V'draysh being a pidgin'd term for Federation)...)
Personally, I would've preferred it was just an alternate timeline (one that perhaps split off during the Red Angel Timejump) but que sera. (That is, of course, if Craft wasn't essentially Book and they rewrote what happened before/after the Time Jump)
To retcon a reason why it was abandoned in the calypso episode. The how/why were meant to be next season’s arc but since it was cancelled, they had to do it this way.
@@Sephiroth144 "che sarà"
@@Sephiroth144 No, I'm glad it's not an alternate timeline. I'm multiversed out these days.
Honestly, I thought the Finale was kinda underwhelming.
The fact that Kovich was Daniels was a nice Easter Egg.
I agree. Tbh, I also wasn't really happy with how they did Discovery either. Felt like an easy out. Like they couldn't figure out a way to tastefully get rid of a fully sentient AI. Honestly, I would have preferred that the ship was lost defending her crew. Yes, it would have been incredibly sad, but a much better ending for such a ship than to sit in space for eternity falling apart.
@@bull614so why they not use real ship name and real actor?
@gene1star so because I don't get specific, I can't have an opinion. Go try baiting someone else. I don't have time for children's games.
Thank God it's over. 🙏
Thank God this dumpster fire is put out and done! This finale had some good points, but just felt so forced and so many missing plot points missed during this episode itself. Some parts felt SO LONG and drawn out, I just wanted the story to continue rather than have a long-drawn scene about the crew being family. A little is fine, but not like this. This whole episodes flet like a cop out. I would have loved to see if the transporter question (Lower Decks) would be answered in this finale as the life equation. Or bring in "Q" to take away the answer saying that humanity is not yet ready, but soon... Something other than "nah" I don't think we should. 800 years of history just to give up and destroy it! Your ancestors wanted you to answer the question! Why did you not just send Zora with the Progenitors portal to both guard and forget about it until Michael Burnham descendants were "ready" and found Discovery and Zora, and finally answer the question! What I think upsets me more is that they never finished the series saying "these are the voyages of Star Trek Discovery"... I was never impressed or left wanting more from this series. Older Star Trek made me think and feel. I felt and thought nothing from this series. The show was terrible and I am glad it is done.
Daniel’s served on the Enterprise NX01.
Yeah, but he said "USS Enterprise", and NX01 was pre- USS
@@joseaguilar3323 STD breaking continuity... what's new?
@@joseaguilar3323 the NX-01 got a USS commission later on after the refit, the refitted version in PIC"s fleet museum had USS
@@qubex - It's not a break in continuity. This line confirms that Daniels was not only on the NX-01 Enterprise, but that he was also on later versions.
@@FerdinandCesarano Well if you twist things that far why not assert that there’s an offscreen USS Enterprise in the 31st century and that he’s on her crew roaster? Why would it link back to a vessel that Burnham briefly encountered during the battle against Control et al.?
It was on 5 seasons, so it was successful from that standpoint. (Of course, it was on streaming service. So, only hardcore fans would pay a monthly subscription to see it. It wouldn’t have lasted that long on TV although it debut on CBS. ) Ultimately, it failed in its mission to tell story of the Federation during the ten years before Kirk took over the Enterprise.
8:00 Obvious answer is that Colber picked up some stuff whole that trill dude was knocking around in his head. Mystery solved.
lol “What’s all the fuss Voyager?” Don’t tell Janeway either.
After 30-40 years,the only progress we see of the UFP is that they build two more headquarters and more old type ships
I liked the way the Breen look in this time period. But my issue with Discovery is the Burn. I don't want to consider that little thing as canon.
I enjoyed this the most out of the seasons I watched. I liked the moments with the progenitor and Burnham when she explained the different ways some people find meaning in life. Great way to end this series!
Rick... Grand Master of turd polishing.
* That's a compliment, Rick. You actually make this dumpster fire seem watchable to someone who has not seen it.
Your final review was more than it deserved!
An the longest, saddest chapter in Star Trek history has finally been put out of its misery. Now we await the day when someone in charge looks at Discovery and says "that didn't happen."
I was hoping that they’d use the progenitors power to give Zora a living body… but overall I’m happy with how it ended
For the travel time: Perhaps they sent them to the edge of the galaxy on the _other side of the galaxy,_ so they have to traverse the whole Delta quadrant to get home. Doesn't help with the inconsistencies within _TOS,_ but it's fun to think of them doing it that way.
So what was the reason to de-refit the ship before discarding it in space?
I guess set the stage for the events of Calypso to still occur, which would mean those events would take place in like, the 41st Century?
I'm thinking Daniels/Kovich needed a place to stash Zora and/or the spore drive for some mysterious Red Directive yet-to-be-revealed timey-wimey reason. Maybe we'll find out in Section 31 or Starfleet Academy. 🙂🖖
To tie up a loose end. 🤷
We would've found out in a Season 6.
You would take all the most uptodate technology out of a decommissioned ship , to use it elsewhere since that ship is not going to need it , since I have not seen series 5 I can’t comment on storyline reasons, but that’s why you would do it .
Has Discovery contributed a single original major idea to Trek? Everything has been an Easter egg or a revisit. Is cry-whispering enough? If so Discovery leaves a rich legacy.
Gormaganders? A time traveling angel suit? Trance Worms? The Burn? Programmable matter? Free floating nacelles? Species 10-C? Kelpiens? Ba'ul? The Sphere? Super hi-tech comm badge/replicator/transporter/tricorder combos? The myceleal network? Book's species? The butterfly people? The creatures that chased Tilly and her cadets? The Emerald Chain? The super secret library? Starfleet headqurters space station? The notion that the mirror universe is literally darker? The energy beings that ate away at the prison shuttle? The energy beings who tried to make peace with the Federation and Klingons after meeting Saru and his team in a forest? A previously unmentioned Klingon war? They were hit and miss, but certainly new.
@@dupersuper1938 so in short... No
That the crew is a little more than just cardboard cutouts?
@@dualityomk9854 You said original, not good.
So… with the progenitors tech/advanced lab being thrown into a black hole, what happens to all of the planets that were connected to it through the labs portals? It bugs me that they didn’t even consider all of those MANY worlds and what COULD happen to them by doing this.
The progenitor tech should have been a recipe for biscuits.
Calypso is not related to Control and V'draysh is just a distorted slang term for Federation, some bad guys in DIS S3 also said V'draysh so it's not something the UFP became in an alt timeline
and the reason they ended with Calypso is because that was going to be the plot of Season 6 according to the showrunner and since they were never going to get to tell that story in full they decided to at least close the loop somewhat and sorta explain it at the end of 5
What could be more serious in next season than burn and red directive, red angel and living library? …
@@gene1star Stamets was going to be the next season's villain. That's all I know.
Was wondering why it was so important for Craft to find Discovery. What's so important about him?
@@maybetoby we don't know, he's from a Short Trek in 2018 that's shrouded in mystery and they've been dropping little hints and teases towards it for the past 6 years and dropped an even bigger tease with this last episode and with the show ending it's something that will never be resolved
@@stankyyboi I know what he's from lol
ngl i love the look of older burnam. would like to see more of that uniform and style. also as someone else pointed out. discovery started at the battle of binary stars. it ends at the binary black holes.
NO. I reject all STDs in all their forms. (Including this series.) It's not Star Trek and never will be.
I really didn’t like the whole final scene, felt jarring. I would have liked if they left it with the wedding but expanded on that scene instead
7:34 ... Yeeah-Well ... sometimes it just ... is that way ... 😐 ... like ... I have No-Idea ... how I did that. I just did it. And I don't know if I can do it again. Probably Can ... but I don't know.
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Thank God! The whole show was just a terrible nightmare to be forgotten 😂
In all, I enjoyed the series. Wasn’t a huge fan of season 1 but I am glad I stuck with it. I also think they should have ended it at Saru’s wedding with Burnham beaming out for another red directive. Everything else could have been left open for interpretation and potential future series
Overall I liked this season. But the ending itself was... underwhelming. Especially the final scenes, which seemed very much an afterthought (the CGI of Discovery flying past the fleet looked horrendous).
Its pretty much mid in terms of my favourite series endings. Not awful, but not fulfilling either. Nothing comes close to What You Leave Behind.
The best series of Discovery, given how much of a low bar it was, that wasnt difficult
the new starfleet uniform looks weirdly like thy orville. I liked seasons 1 and 2 but when they started thanking each other for every little thing it became annoying i thing its good that its over
I like the twist on Kovich, but it _was_ a cheap pop though...
Cheap would have been him being a Picard golem or even Future Guy. Daniels felt fitting, IMO.
For some reason, I thought he was going to shape shift into an "Unknown Sample".
@@GSBarlev I'm alright with him being Daniels, but for a second I expected him to be Flint or an El-Aurian! Definitely wouldn't have wanted him to be future guy tho.
I can't believe I stuck with it for 8 years.
The final was unearned.
Canonizing Calypso is a double edge sword.
Some of Discovery was good, some could have been great but the show needed better writers.
it has very little if any rewatch ability unlike the other trek shows
i know they probably wont see more the the 32c for a very long time
but i would like to see what will happen with zora
the relationship between a ship and her crew can be explored when the ship is sentient in of itself and is about to get a new body
To be honest, I'm kinda disappointed that there's no showdown between Rayner and Tahal, I was expecting that. Maybe future novels will find a resolution for that.
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Who knew this was still on!
I really hope there is a better explanation for leaving Zora out wherever she is. Even if it's a different timeline to Calypso, Craft must be important somehow and Daniels must know why.
The Discovery is sending the Breen to Shakari, the place where God is trap, like a jack in the box.
The center of the universe, not the edge
He said the Galactic Barrier, not the Great Barrier.
I think they sent discovery back in time to 23rd century, that's why they stripped it back to technology appropriate for that time. For whatever reason that craft guy thing needed to happen? Maybe they found another discovery waiting for them in 32nd century so they had to complete the loop. I guess we will never know.
It's probably was just about closing that short trek loophole. But they unfortunately created more questions.
This was all bad dream or reality by Talosians for prisoner Burnham.
I thought it was generally poor
When I saw the episode was a bit longer, I realized there were doing a bit more to tie up the series. I just didn't expect all of what they did. The "reunion" in Michael's mind was bittersweet but nice to see Bryce there along with Owo and Detmer. I know the bridge crew wasn't the focus so it is nice we get to see them one final time. Also, I hope Tilly is in the new Academy series because we never did get much on the potential boyfriend angle. Hopefully that comment about her being the longest Academy instructor means we will see more of her. I think Discovery has always suffered from too many characters and not enough time for all of them.
I'm just happy they didn't go too heavy on the identity politics this year. It was a little over the top in previous years.
Hi Rick, can you tell me what rifle Hale is using in episode 100 of yours I think? The one with the temporal accords being signed and all of the subsequent episodes.
Saru an his Wife got dat drip.
I find it stupid that that tech can’t bring someone back to life or make a clone with their memories intact. There’s prescience in Star Trek that they can make clones with memories.
Also is that Progenitor Michael meets her great great great ancestor?!
I mean, why would it? That's not what it was designed for at all.
I felt like they left discovery where it was, in the shape it was, to go back in time. It wasn't being decommissioned but undertaking a new mission.
It appeared to be going to where it was found in the Discovery Short..?
I think you misunderstood the context of Calypso. It never mentions control once, and control's goal was to wipe out sentient life, which wasn't even close to what had happened in the Short Trek. It's more likely the 42nd century that the short takes place to begin with.
Am I the ONLY ONE who spottet all Section 31 ships at the end of the episode????!!!
I wasn't a fan of the last episode; I understand it's the journey and not the destination, but when the destination is the same result as if.you had not gone on the journey at all, it doesn't feel like great storytelling.
Sounds like it was the best ending discovery could have gotten but even then it was just good... Kinda reminds me pf enterpirse and Yoyeger just more polisering then both combind... Still I'm glad it was a thing and I'm glad we have the 32nd century now.
Wonderful review Rick. Of all the Discovery reviewers, yours feels most in line with my own take of season 5. Thanks for pointing out the intro change up. I failed to notice as I went with the skip option. Overall I enjoyed watching all 5 seasons and I'm a bit down trodden that there will be no more Disco Trek. Thankfully I have AMCs reinvisioning of Anne Rice's "Interview with a Vampire" to help dull the sting.
Here's my problem with the writers deciding that L'ak "couldn't" be brought back...did the writers just forget about Seven of Nine reviving Neelix after his death in the Voyager episode "Mortal Coil"? Couldn't the 32nd century Federation just replicate some 24th century Borg nanoprobes out of programmable matter and pull the same stunt on L'ak? Or like another user mentioned, what about the Kobali? They resurrect dead people all the time--they did it with Harry Kim and Lindsay Ballard! So many possible missed opportunities there to bring L'ak back, even if the Progenitor's tech couldn't do it. The writers dishonored the characters of both L'ak and Moll...they deserved a happy ending after everything they went through to get their freedom.
I really didn't like the new captain's uniform, but I did like the admiral uniform
Thank you for this review! If I'm not mistaken, the Breen ship shown in your clip at 4:59 was referred to as a "scout" vessel by Saru, which accompanied their shuttle to the location of the dreadnaught.
My thought is that one day cannon will catch up to the discovery time time eventually…. Or am I being stupid what will happen then 😂😂
well disco was consistent to the last at least, see guys fan ficts can be constant throwing what came before in the trash right up to the very last ep lol
Season 2 was still the best but man that series finale finally concluded years amount of shit
care bears in space, sentimental schmaltzy nonsense. Can't say I'll miss discovery too much.
The ep:
having them float around was a bit goofy.
why wasn't lak resurrect-able? His body was hardly cold lol.
figuring out the frequency using space vibes?
creators of life use a tri-force puzzle to access universe altering power? c'mon!
I guess I'll miss Saru, I really liked the wedding outfits too!
The progenitors were 2010 4chan posters
I don't see the point of giving Progenitors progenitors. If time doesn't matter in the Progenitor device then why didn't the device's creators also leave someone there?
And if someone else created the device then there would have been other life in the universe during the Progenitor's time.
But there still could've been millions or even billions of years between the Progenitors and the their progenitors. Deep Time is vast.
@@JDSleeperlike the man said, the Progenitors were four billion years ago, there's been tens of thousands, or millions of successive galactic empires since then. And the universe is three times older than the Progenitors. A million years is already unimaginably long, and the universe is over twelve THOUSAND times older than that. Time is an abyss.
@@JDSleeper except they specifically established that time didn't matter inside the device. That's why there was a Progenitor inside the device even though they've benn extinct for billions of years. So it wouldn't matter if the device was created 1 billion, 2 billion, 5 billion, 10 billion years before the Progenitors.
The series was very hit and miss with gems that stand up as some of the best in trek. I personally loved Saru's character arc and the mirror universe stuff was pretty fun. But there are a whole lot of misguided attempts at trying to be new for the sake of being new. Ultimately, I'm glad they tried new things and overall I liked the series. I will wear my DISCO shirt proudly. It just took a long time to find its identity.
Thank god, its finally dead. The only problem is it took lower decks with it.
It's been a while since I watched Calypso, but did they say Control prevailed, or did people just assume?
Can I have my Terry Matalas series now?
And experience pure nostalgia poisoning?
@@personzorz I don't wish to be overly unkind to Discovery in the comments of a relatively upbeat review of the series closer, particularly when I stopped watching after season 4.
I will only say I like what Matalas is selling but not what Kurtzman has been cooking. Given the amount of deep-cut memory alpha mining present across the board, I think the deciding factor is more how everything works together in execution and ultimate explanation/resolution.
Terry moved on to Marvel and is making a Vision TV show, Legacy is dead
I actually did not like this last season. It started boring and ended boring. I thought at some point this was going to be about canceling out the burn which destroyed most Star Trek for what? 200-300 years of potential lore? We virtually will never be able to visit that era of Trek and if we do, we are stuck with those rules. Since Discovery showing up in the future fixes them not being in TOS lore doesn’t fix anything from the time of the Burn to now. Story-wise I also thought this was a weak season. This season had more in common with Super Mario Bros and/or video games in general with leveling up each episode or each level getting a little harder. Each episode was a virtual duplicate of the last till we get to the finale. IDK. I just thought they were trying to end it on some sort of Trek-lore moment since this show lacked much of standard Trek lore. I liked season 2-4. Season 1 was hard to swallow. Season 2, while I did like was too much Matrix/Terminator vs Starfleet. The Burn makes zero sense and a really poor choice as a story device. Seasons 3 and 4 while good make no sense either. Hey, 2200’s Star Fleet can function in the 3100s with a ship that is a mix of new and old tech, a crew that is out of time and it just works seamlessly. They save Starfleet and the probably the galaxy, what 2 or 3 times, twice in the 3100s? Yeah… NO… As much as I liked the tone and some aspects of the show this did not work well for me as STAR TREK. SNW is the only Trek show that actually feels like Trek. Tying in a short-trek episode which most did not see unless they are really into the social media aspects of following Trek was also a little questionable. Between the Kelvin timeline, this, SNW and Picard, Trek-lore is all over the place. Not as bad as where Star Wars is right now but not exactly in a good place. Picard season 3 did a great job of trying to fix most of it but you cannot fix years and hours of bad ideas in a handful of episodes that touch on these things as easter eggs. Trek needs to go in a different direction. Stop breaking the lore and just work within the arches you already have. Nearly 60 years of Star Trek and this is what they come up with…
i think this is my least favorite star trek series of modern star trek it did so many things wrong like the warhammer style klingons and the ships and the redesign of the enterprise in season 2 wich thank god picard fixed that also the spore drive for me it make no sense kinda make the quantom slips drive like a downgrade or what ever they call warp 10 and the fact that the burnam was a step sister to spock was strange choise
As long as the first two seasons of Picard exist, Discovery will never be my least favourite Trek.
This episode is where the reshoots felt the most. I think there was no way to close all the characters. I hope those left behind have an opportunity to shine on the Academy series.
Also, they saying Tilly became the longest serving teacher on the Academy means Pelia never returns to teach at the Academy after SNW? After all, she could still be alive by Disco times. Though the Galaxy and Starfleet are dangerous places.
It’s more important to show LGBTQ views than to write a good story. It gets in the way.
How does a progenitor that lasted between 2 black holes retain her black skin colour ? Skin pigmentation tone is in response to sunlight so how did she retain it ? Gene Roddenberry admitted that his inspiration to write star trek was based on his travels to India & he enjoyed the Hindu puranas , cyclical time concept is as old as the RG Veda much of what we see in star trek can be found in these ancient Hindu religious books that hint at possible history entwined into myth & written as poetic stories. Unfortunately this s.t.d did not live up to most Trekkies expectations even though it had a big budget & lotsa special effects etc but for some reason/s it never took off possibly because purist Trekkies like myself feel it tried to do to much to satisfy a more diverse audience. So I for 1 am glad it's ended , it cud also be an overload of the same same - shields down to 30% , whole Federation depends on 1 ship to save it all there's been so many star trek series done b4 discovery that it's just on the end of a long line.good riddance !
Didn’t this show end a couple of years ago?
No? I think they took 1 year off once however
Thank Odin this trash is over
Mann I know Discovery was not everyone’s cup of tea but I truly loved it and felt just as the others really came into its own. This last episode I felt was a great send off for the USS Discovery and now admiral Burnham.
It’ll be very interesting in the next 20 years or so just like Enterprise to see how ppl feel about Discovery
Worst writing ever, yhey threw both the tech and discovery in the trash. Like why not send stamets in there for like 20 minutes to idk scan something? Getting really tired of this woke culture ruining things for the majority of the fan base
This show is full of bad writing.
I'm so glad it's over.
I really hope it gets retconned out VERY soon.