Buying seals in China only costs 200,000 yuan, which is 22,000 pounds。The price is so high because of tariffs, just like Mercedes-Benz and Audi are considered luxury cars imported to other countries.
the thing is, BMW has admitted it does not care for value anymore. Yet it is still selling loads of cars and is the most popular premium brand. BYD and BMW are clearly not completely fishing from the same pond. Sure there is SOME overlap but i doubt it is huge.
Sure you would. No dealer or servicing network. You would never part with such money for the unproven new kid on the block. People who post like this are usually not in a position to buy the car.
I’ve just priced up the BMW i4 in Australia. The base price is $85k but when you add all the options that are similar to the BYD Seal the the price seems to increase to between $118k and $125k. The BYD Seal performance (the same as your Excellence in the UK) price is slightly under $69k topping out, with colour change and upholstery colour change, at under $72k. The more equivalent vehicle to the BMW is the BYD seal Premium which has almost all the same specs as the Performance but with a single motor. This car comes in $10k cheaper. In Australia at least, you could buy 2 Seals for the price of a single BMW i4 with options. I know what I am going to buy.
@@Another_opinion_ The new generation of BMW 3/4 handles much worse than the E/F platform, they go to far for the "comfort". Not an "ultimate driving machine" for me anymore.
Tbh, the BYD is a better looking car. If you are not a badge snob, there's nothing much else you get from BMW that you don't get from BYD for so much more extra $$
IMO BMW's have looked awful for some years now...the huge kidney grills are seriously ugly. I owned an E39 5 series back in the early 2000's and that really was a good looking car, BMW have lost their way on styling.
But people forget 1 thing, BMW is not concerned about BYD at all. While there is some overlap in market segments, BMW and BYD do not really fish from the same pond. People that are super concerned about value would not even consider a BMW in the first place. People just assume that cars from same size category are always competitors, but it is not that simple.
A big consideration buyers should have is LFP blade battery vs the battery in the NMP battery in the BMW. The safety and longevity of thr Blade battery is pbly the best in the market.
@@johnsmith-cw3wo Don’t you know that China’s ethnic minorities are all “nobles”? The policies they enjoy are much better than those of the Han people. Welcome to travel to Xinjiang, China. . You will understand that you have been "brainwashed".
Great video and I can support most of what you said based on my experience with both cars. I was looking for my first EV and in the end I decided between the BMW i4 (e35) and the BYD Seal Excellence. I borrowed both for a day each and put them through their paces. First of all, the BYD is without any ifs and buts the better package in terms of price-performance ratio - here the BMW has no say at all. With the Seal you get a TOP equipped, very well made and extremely powerful car, at a very fair price. With the BMW you pay very, very, much more for the same equipment and when it comes to power, the edrive35 pales in comparison to the Seal. BUT. Overall, the BMW feels noticeably more premium in terms of its workmanship and features, but where the real difference lies: the driving. The Seal definitely doesn't have to hide from Tesla, Hyundai, Kia or Polestar, but the BMW simply plays in a different league here. Despite the lower power, the BMW constantly gave me an insanely huge grin on the country road, which the other, more powerful EVs (like the Seal) simply couldn't do. You should also be careful with the assistance systems and the OS, here BYD delivered the worst experience of all the EVs I tested, while BMW, together with Mercedes, is currently the spearhead on the market, when it comes to driving assistance systems.
Great comparison and I very much agree with the final point, the BYD Seal is a better value proposition by a long shot. I actually took delivery of one just this week. It does have its flaws but I have found those to be quite OK to live with. The biggest one being, as pointed out in the video, the intrusive safety systems. The worst offender is the speed limit warning that will beep at every speed limit change it recognizes and chastises you with 4 beeps every time you go 1km/h or mph over the limit. It amounts to roughly 95% of all the beeping the car does. You can set the system up so you can disable that with just one swipe down from the top of the main infotainment screen and one additional push of a button. That, to me, is an acceptable amount of fiddling before I drive off and it's still quite easily accessible if you're already driving and forgot before setting off.
i just got my i4 as well (though eDrive40). It never beeps at me about speed or anything. It is extremely nice to not have a car that beeps at you constantly. Not saying BYD is bad, but many Chinese cars, as for now, do have certain quirks that do not match with what most Europeans want in a car. The speed warning is an EU law however, but different brands implement it in their own way.
Did I hear you correctly - the BMW i4 is a converted ICE car? If that's the case they,ve done a good job to control the weight (2065 kg cf the Seal at 2155 kg) - but the Seal has a significantly bigger battery (82.5 kW vs 70.2 kW, i.e. 17% bigger). This is really no competition, the Seal is miles superior in every department - and given BMW's poor reliability record (and I've owned two over recent years), it's a no-brainer, buy from the biggest dedicated ev manufacturer in the world.
Here in Thailand the BYD Seal AWD is £34k and the BMW i4 eDrive 35 starts at £86k needless to say I purchased a BYD Seal AWD. I've had it for 4 months and love the car. As I'm writing this the V2L is currently running my house, try doing that in a BMW
How can you compare an Premium class car with an new brand B class car. You don't buy a BMW for the price, but because you want to drive it. Look alone at the interior finishing, the BMW breaths quality over the cheap plastic BYD looks. It's really a combined mess of different design styles from other car brands. It isn't really a fair comparison, mostly judging the price. I would choose the BMW 100x over this kinds of brands, even over a Tesla. As someone who drives BMW i don't care a BYD or Tesla has more range. I want a car that feels good, looks good and drives good. For me the interior finish is really important, especially if you have to drive long distances.
I completely agree. All the other comments tend to relate to price. Why do people buy The Times or The Telegraph when for much less they could buy The Mirror or The Sun? They are all newspapers. I would love to come back to this review in 3 years time just to see the values of both cars. There might well be a considerable price difference now, but even with a 6 year warranty, let’s see how a BYD holds its value against a BMW!
unfortunately to get the 5 star ncap rating, the ADAS needs to be this intrusive and it won't just be on BYD but other new EVs as well... and i'm sure BYD will have over air update to tone down the systems whilst keeping the rating....
The price difference once you compare the two that are more similar to each other (either the BMW i4 eDrive40 against the RWD BYD or the M50 vs. the AWD BYD) becomes over 20K once you add the options to match them too. The BMW may be the better car, but it's just in the details. Unless you have excess of cash it's just not justified to pay so much more for it. European brands need to wake up to the new reality. They will be in big trouble very soon if they don't.
That is something I look for too. The BYD Seal and Tesla Model 3 are ground up EV, with effective packaging and space optimisation. Whereas the BMW i4 and Polestar 2 are NOT.
Until you start thinking about the actual EV features, implementation of the tech and the quality of the BMS. Then BMW still wipes the floor with any BYD product. Just watch any BYD test of Bjorn Nyland. The brand cannot even implement their own battery tech well.
I have a Peugeot e208. Would consider a BYD over a BMW on cost grounds every time. My days of buying on brand recommendation is over, when there's 12 grand to be saved. That is more than I spent on my first car! My only concern is a first world issue - how soon before it gets replaced by a newer model?
The thing is, cost conscious buyers will never consider BMW, Audi, Merc or most other premium brands anyway. This is why I do not understand this comparison. If you worry about the cost of a car just go for value. But people who can afford a nice car will probably see the nice touches in the BMW and spend the extra anyway. Also, BMW leasing rates are excellent.
@@Astke My next car will be a step up. Probably a Hyundai or Cupra or the aforementioned BYD. I have no interest in paying through the nose for sub-par product...
@@simonevans8979 It is not a subpar product, that is the thing. Have you actually seen proper road trip videos? People that actually do hard core testing, not just a few drives and static reviews. BYD so far has failed to impress me at all when it comes to actual EV performance. TBF this eDrive35 is not that great in terms of range, but for not that much more you get the eDrive40 that pretty much wipes the floor with the BYD. But you make your decision and pay your price.
The Asian car makers tend to sell their cars packed with features included, whereas European brands make you pay through the nose with options, options, options. By the time you have similarly spec'd cars, the price gulf, as you've demonstrated, puts them in different classes altogether. There will be brand snobs who will insist the European car (BMW, Polstar) is worth it, but IMO the BYD (in this situation) is a no brainer.
Thats why, when your buying second hand BMWs features you're accustomed to like heated seats and electric seats are absent unless they were standard. People don't buy the options they just want the badge. To be fair though they haven't fallen into the trap of the 1L engine everyone else seems to be doing.
A very good review. Atto 3 owner for a year, very nice car and love it, ordered a seal 3.8s, add another BYD to our family. Voice control is very useful and getting better with update.
I'm probably in the minority, but I like the styling of the beemer. For me, in a very hot part of Australia, there is no way I'd live with a full length panoramic glass roof. It's the same reason Teslas are a no go for me.
Yes, in southern Europe those panoramic roofs are unbelievable too. The Seal seems to be particularly good at blocking the heat, though, for what I've seen in Australian tests. And it has a manual cover that you can leave on for half of the year. Still, I'd rather not have it and don't pay for it. On the flip side, it does come with ventilated seats as standard, which may be trivial in the UK, but really good in hotter places. I'm not sure you can get it on the BMW even as an option.
The Seal comes with silver coating for the sun roof. Testing by a Sydney RUclipsr has shown it works very well at reducing heat inside under the Australian summer sun.
Is there also a big price gap in the leasing market? because for company car drivers it tends to affect if the car is within your bracket and then of course how much BIK tax you pay against the list price of the car?
You are compare two different configurations. The i4 E35 compares more likely to the single motor BYD seal. So some of the comparisons are not fair, which goes even more for the BYD, especially price-wise. I would rather go for the smaller BYD.
But the point is for less money than the BMW, you are getting so much more with the BYD. That’s the whole point of showing that you can get the dual motor Seal for less than the basic i4.
Good review. I probably would not buy either of those cars but that is based on your review and I appreciate a test drive will be required by each individual
For the difference in batteries, I personally am a bit disappointed with the extra range on the Seal. Of course, it has a more powerful set of motors but still: the gain could be better I guess...
@@مرواریدمشرقزمین Well it’s not a ground up EV, but that’s a different debate. My point was more of a general one, that some prefer less wacky styling.
You can set up a shortcut to switch off speed limit warning. Just swipe down. Most reviewers don't have the car long enough to know all the tips. That said hopefully an OTA update will fix this and other niggles.
in Australia the Android Auto is wireless across all 3 versions of the BYD and the "BYD badge" is on the back. They seem like weird exclusions in the UK and believe it or not, the cars are even cheaper here as there are no duties.
Now you know why European Union wanted to impose heavy tariff on Chinese EV makers. Else the European traditional car makers will get devoured completely. EU certainly learned well from the American. "When you can't compete, just come out with some ridiculous reasons to kill the competitions" Oh yeah, before you fools claiming Chinese EVs are heavily subsided by the Chinese government. Pls wake up from your denial. The very same model same spec is selling even way cheaper in mainland China.
Having driven many brands over the years and the last ten years are Bmw. Overall quality for me is a no brainer, outside and inside. Buy once, cry once.
Loving the reviews! Of course, capital cost, range, and miles per kWh are important costs when choosing an EV. But could you also include some information on expected depreciation (not easy if the model is relatively new, I know), and cost of insuring - these might also be necessary to make an informed choice. Thanks.
I am not a BMW owner but can see there are 2 problems getting BMW owners to buy the BYD. 1) It is not a BMW 2) it has not got proven reliability.. long term ...over 9 to 20 years. As a Lexus owner myself that second point is the most important and would not consider anything that doesn't have a long term reliability record that comes very close to Lexus.
Thanks for the video. As a Seal dual motor owner (called the Performance in Australia) and an F10 5 Series, I actually see more of a similarity with a five series BMW, both in terms of interior space and luxury / sport balance. Also, the i4 M50 is the equivalent performing car to the Seal dual motor, did you consider this comparison? The price difference would have been mind boggling in this case.
I strongly suspect we’ll see the power of electric cars come down over the next 5 years. It feels like early EVs ramped the power up to show what they could do and become a selling point and since then other manufacturers seem to be trying to make sure they can compete in that space. But it’s entirely unnecessary to have a 3sec 0-60 time with 500+bhp. I think motors will get smaller and lighter to increase range and they’ll still be absolutely fine for daily use.
I've watched several reviews of the seal and every single one suffers with camera judder, which strongly suggests an overly stiff ride. For that reason and the restrictive boot entry I'd overlook the seal without hesitation.
Its always easy to win on price and trim features. What you just said is BMW is a better car (maybe in eDrive 40 trim) but not everybody can afford it. Maybe, you should have made the message clearer. Also, the value for money proposition must include used car prices 3-7 years down…
There is an OTA update for the Seal sedan rolling out that addresses the ADAS issues especially around the intrusive warning sounds. The BYD Seal is a ground up built EV. The BMW is a converted ice vehicle to EV. Honestly why would you bother with any converted ice vehicle to EV no matter the brand unless you are a brand snob.
Hope Byd hybrid, DMI, could come to UK sooner, which is more superior to Toyota's because it's a battery-age hybrid technology. Toyota's is ICE-age technology
Not a hope in hell I would buy any Chinese manufacturers car. It’s not about money, it’s about the whole driving experience, dealer support, reliability, resale value (it does matter). Further and Faster doesn’t necessarily sell a car. Chinese cars are cheap because of massive subsidies. What data is the car sending back to base - does that matter. Oh and the BMW roundel is NOT a propellor, it’s the colours of the Bavarian flag.
Japanese EV of the Year 2023 are... 1st BYD Dolphin 2nd Hyundai Kona 3rd BYD Atto3 Two BYD Models Triumph at the "2023 Japan EV of the Year" Awards BYD, the world's leading new energy vehicle manufacturer, achieved a victory in the "2023 Japan EV of the Year" awards, with the BYD DOLPHIN winning the "Grand Prix" at the first place and the BYD ATTO 3 ranks third. This marks the first time a Chinese carmaker has received such accolades.
Personally, I would rather have a Tesla than a BMW!! Well, that’s my choice of those two cars. My favourite, however, is the Vauxhall Combo Life Electric with Wheelhome Vikenze III camper conversion.
In a danish test the BYD has big problems: It doesnt show the charging points in the routeplanner and it went from 10% soc to zero in a few seconds so it was towed away!
Blade batteries can be a bit more problematic in a way that the soc needs to calibrate. To avoid that scenario you described. You need to discharge the battery once a month if im not wrong. You do that to calibrate the battery thats what they recommend if I remember correctly.
@@GT86crazy I looked it up. The manual says charge to 100% atleast a week and charge from 10% once 3 to 6 months. On page 106 it says what to do. Atleast in the swedish version.
The BYD does actually look great and performance also a massive plus, but you need to consider second hand value as the majority of folk won't buy cash, therefore monthly cost or total over 3 years really close the gap with affordability for PCP or lease deals. But I wouldn't buy one until there's a permanent way to turn off them bings and bongs! My current BMW saw sense to send a software update to do exactly that!
Good review but this video has aged already - With BYD's latest software update for existing cars, Apple Carplay and Android Auto are wireless and ACAD (sounds and steering force) is modified to be less intrusive, and can be turned off beyond the current operating period.
Both are D Segment, all electric sports saloons. The base price of the i4 sits just above the BYD's. How are they not comparable? Even both the manufacturers see themselves as natural rivals......
The very segment BYD is playing to with the Seal. As is Tesla with the Model 3. As is Polestar with the 2. As is VW with the ID.7 and Hyundai with the Ioniq 6. All of these manufacturers see themselves as natural rivals to each other, so we judge them so. And I say this as a BMW driver.
exactly, you can compare all these with each other because they are D segment. i4 no, it is not D segment, it costs double the ones you listed and has a higher construction level overall@@AutoEV
Apologies, but the i4 is vey much a D-segment car as its based upon the 4 Series. Even BMW list these cars as the i4's rivals. Anything bigger and its an i5. Irrespective of construction cost, or retail price, if its a rival, it stands comparison.
I don’t think we are, and in fairness, we always approached the EV side of things as an alternative fuel source, rather than from a tech-biased standpoint. We are car enthusiasts at AutoEV, and we approach the EV world in just the same way as we would ICE. Why should they be different? And if we do this, then perhaps other ICE drivers will get our point about how good EVs are. But I feel we have the focus right. Apologies if you disagree, or we don’t appeal in the correct way to you. Your feedback is noted and very welcome, so thank you.
You really need to make these videos more concise! A whole hour of this comparison? Please script write and/ or edit them a bit better!! So much waffle!
Buying car involves high level of emotional bias. Unfortunately BYD makes great cars but facing strong negative ideological attack from US led western world.what doesn’t break you makes you, I venture to bet BYD will be a better choice than BMW i4 for consumers weight value more than branding.
BYD better in "every conceivable way"? Really? What about comfort and refinement? What about build quality and reliability? Of course, BMW is nowhere near as reliable as a Lexus, but it's in another world when compared to BYD. And having a longer warranty when you have to bring back your car time and time again to the workshop doesn't help you much. Speaking of the dealerships, what network of competent repair shops does BYD offer currently? Now, I know that the motoring journalists are fascinated by the Chinese onslaught, like a deer is fascinated by the headlights of the car that is going to squash it, but let's try some objectivity. BMW is expensive because it's premium. In "every conceivable way"...
Don’t get me wrong, the BMW is still the drivers choice, but as I said, in today’s market when people are keeping a tight eye on finances and the cost of things, the BYD offers close to the BMW for a lot less. A significant amount less. Now I’m a big fan of the i4, but £60,000 as opposed to £48,000 is a big difference. And the BYD drives well, is as comfortable as the i4 and is hardly a car that suffers from a lack of refinement. Their dealer network is expanding fast in the UK (another 65 to be added in 2024) and those that are taking on the franchise are well established names. I don’t disagree with your statement that BMW is premium, but my point is, the BYD offers far better value in a car that is just as good in almost every area. It has nothing to do with being “fascinated by the Chinese onslaught” as I don’t particularly rate the BYD Dolphin, but credit has to be given where it’s due. The Seal is an excellent car, and in this case, I feel, the better one for what it offers at the price.
Buying a BMW isn't about standing out from the crowd, though that can sometimes be a nice thing. BMWs are extremely well engineered and well built cars that last long and represent good value despite their higher cost.
@@Joe-ud2hb Nikasil and Direct Injection were bad mistakes too. But you'd be hard pressed to show car companies who try hard things and don't step in 54i7 occasionally.
How do you stand out from the crowd if everyone and their mum is driving a BMW??? (jk) but not really. BMW have really jumped the shark with some of their new car designs, e.g. the iX. Are BMW well built/engineered though? Really? I thought the general consensus is that you don't want to own one out of warrantee cos and older BMW will become a money pit? Or is that a myth? My brother-in-law had a BMW mini that continuously leaked oil. Constantly in and out of the shop until he gave up and sold it.
And on top of that, would I really want to buy a car with white leather interior? What an absolutely stupid piece of design!! Neither would I buy a BLACK Car.
Both are stupidly expensive for an EV, ridiculous, they do not cost this kind of money to make and in China the BYD is currently less than half the price!! RIP off Britain again. EV’s priced like ICE cars..
When I had a look at a Seal the first thing that struck me was the awful stink from the cheap plastics and vinyl seats, reminded me very much of a 1970’s Datsun Cherry. I’m very happy with my BMW i4 eDrive40 with leather, 19” wheels and adaptive suspension. In my opinion with the exception of the Polestar, the quality of all the Korean and Chinese cars is poor. If you’re prepared to accept poor quality, there’s no real alternative to the Tesla in this class.
Silly boy, it's not about 'standing out from the crowd'; it's about driving the best car for people who actually enjoy driving. Nothing comes close to a BMW (unless you can afford a Porsche 😂)
Which I agree with, hence why I say that the BMW is still the better car to drive...... But not everyone puts driving enjoyment at the top of their buying criteria, so for those who don't, its hard to argue against the BYD.
But you say twice that the main reason for buying a BMW is to stand out from the crowd, and that their current ubiquity renders that pointless. I would argue that 'standing out from the crowd' is waaay down the list. You're comparing apples with oranges here. BMW drivers will pay a premium for the driving and build quality. A better comparison would be with the Tesla Model 3, surely? The BYD does look like a very good car, mind
@@AutoEVbut you buy a BMW because you want a drivers car. Kind of inherent to the marque. You don't look at BYD and go drivers car🤷 and for me once you get into those higher price ranges a) you lease it because electric and they change so fast b) you want the best drivers car you can get, isn't that the point of an exec saloon? Otherwise you buy something more towards the luxury/comfort end of things. I do feel like a Tesla is more what you'd be cross shoping rather than a BMW.
If I caught it correctly the price difference is £3k for the base models. BMW for me at this level. If you're talking about a £10k plus saving, then it may be worth considering the Byd.
The issue is, to get the specification that the BYD has as standard, you need to option the BMW up, and that’s where the big difference comes from. But even that £3k difference at base level Sport the BYD offers more range and greater performance. You can save another £3k by going for the single motor Seal Design which has the same standard specification, but a single motor. That’s still more powerful with a longer range than the i4 and costs even less…..
I would buy BYD Seal and take the £12,000 saving and go for holidays with my family.
You could get more than one good trip too.
Not many people are paying for these cars outright, most are paying monthly/leased and won't have that £12,000 just sitting there for holidays.
Buying seals in China only costs 200,000 yuan, which is 22,000 pounds。The price is so high because of tariffs, just like Mercedes-Benz and Audi are considered luxury cars imported to other countries.
the thing is, BMW has admitted it does not care for value anymore. Yet it is still selling loads of cars and is the most popular premium brand. BYD and BMW are clearly not completely fishing from the same pond. Sure there is SOME overlap but i doubt it is huge.
Sure you would. No dealer or servicing network. You would never part with such money for the unproven new kid on the block. People who post like this are usually not in a position to buy the car.
I’ve just priced up the BMW i4 in Australia. The base price is $85k but when you add all the options that are similar to the BYD Seal the the price seems to increase to between $118k and $125k. The BYD Seal performance (the same as your Excellence in the UK) price is slightly under $69k topping out, with colour change and upholstery colour change, at under $72k. The more equivalent vehicle to the BMW is the BYD seal Premium which has almost all the same specs as the Performance but with a single motor. This car comes in $10k cheaper. In Australia at least, you could buy 2 Seals for the price of a single BMW i4 with options. I know what I am going to buy.
In Australia there is no comparison btw the 2 offers. And it comes from someone who puts handling at the top of my criteria.
Surely worth looking at depreciation as part of your assessment. No idea how they come out for that but don’t disregard it
@edkk2010 Good point, good as the BMW is it still smacks of the company 'playing' at EVs by not yet investing in a pure EV platform.
@@Another_opinion_ The new generation of BMW 3/4 handles much worse than the E/F platform, they go to far for the "comfort". Not an "ultimate driving machine" for me anymore.
@@brian.z6592 agreed.
The BYD also has a Euro NCAP rating of 5 stars whereas the BMW only gets 4.
But the BMW doesn’t slide all over the road if you take a corner a bit briskly 😉
Carwow 😂@@Slippers84
@@Slippers84 That is one way to portray a stiffer more uncomfortable suspention.
@@ensteffo I know which one I’d feel safer in
@@Slippers84 in the Euro NCAP rating of 5 stars EV
I traded in a Porsche Cayenne for a BYD.
We now can power our house in a power cut, and saving a fortune on fuel
Tbh, the BYD is a better looking car. If you are not a badge snob, there's nothing much else you get from BMW that you don't get from BYD for so much more extra $$
IMO BMW's have looked awful for some years now...the huge kidney grills are seriously ugly. I owned an E39 5 series back in the early 2000's and that really was a good looking car, BMW have lost their way on styling.
can not agree with you more
The driving sensations are way better in the BMW.
But people forget 1 thing, BMW is not concerned about BYD at all. While there is some overlap in market segments, BMW and BYD do not really fish from the same pond. People that are super concerned about value would not even consider a BMW in the first place. People just assume that cars from same size category are always competitors, but it is not that simple.
BYD does has volume/premier/luxury brands@@Astke
A big consideration buyers should have is LFP blade battery vs the battery in the NMP battery in the BMW. The safety and longevity of thr Blade battery is pbly the best in the market.
It's good but remember some of that is marketing fluff
@@Popdog76 With strict testing, blade batteries are much safer
@@Popdog76 Errr..don't think so, the chemistries are fundamentally different and well understood. LFP batteries are considerably more robust than NMC.
@@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270 also no child labour in Congo for cobalt... only Uyghur slave labour for aluminium. (but probably BMW also use that)
@@johnsmith-cw3wo
Don’t you know that China’s ethnic minorities are all “nobles”?
The policies they enjoy are much better than those of the Han people.
Welcome to travel to Xinjiang, China. . You will understand that you have been "brainwashed".
Great video and I can support most of what you said based on my experience with both cars.
I was looking for my first EV and in the end I decided between the BMW i4 (e35) and the BYD Seal Excellence. I borrowed both for a day each and put them through their paces. First of all, the BYD is without any ifs and buts the better package in terms of price-performance ratio - here the BMW has no say at all. With the Seal you get a TOP equipped, very well made and extremely powerful car, at a very fair price. With the BMW you pay very, very, much more for the same equipment and when it comes to power, the edrive35 pales in comparison to the Seal. BUT. Overall, the BMW feels noticeably more premium in terms of its workmanship and features, but where the real difference lies: the driving. The Seal definitely doesn't have to hide from Tesla, Hyundai, Kia or Polestar, but the BMW simply plays in a different league here. Despite the lower power, the BMW constantly gave me an insanely huge grin on the country road, which the other, more powerful EVs (like the Seal) simply couldn't do. You should also be careful with the assistance systems and the OS, here BYD delivered the worst experience of all the EVs I tested, while BMW, together with Mercedes, is currently the spearhead on the market, when it comes to driving assistance systems.
i see the SEal is not a sports saloon but a grand tourer which i think lots of buyers will want
Great comparison and I very much agree with the final point, the BYD Seal is a better value proposition by a long shot. I actually took delivery of one just this week.
It does have its flaws but I have found those to be quite OK to live with. The biggest one being, as pointed out in the video, the intrusive safety systems.
The worst offender is the speed limit warning that will beep at every speed limit change it recognizes and chastises you with 4 beeps every time you go 1km/h or mph over the limit. It amounts to roughly 95% of all the beeping the car does.
You can set the system up so you can disable that with just one swipe down from the top of the main infotainment screen and one additional push of a button. That, to me, is an acceptable amount of fiddling before I drive off and it's still quite easily accessible if you're already driving and forgot before setting off.
I think it is adjustable,
i just got my i4 as well (though eDrive40). It never beeps at me about speed or anything. It is extremely nice to not have a car that beeps at you constantly. Not saying BYD is bad, but many Chinese cars, as for now, do have certain quirks that do not match with what most Europeans want in a car. The speed warning is an EU law however, but different brands implement it in their own way.
Did I hear you correctly - the BMW i4 is a converted ICE car? If that's the case they,ve done a good job to control the weight (2065 kg cf the Seal at 2155 kg) - but the Seal has a significantly bigger battery (82.5 kW vs 70.2 kW, i.e. 17% bigger). This is really no competition, the Seal is miles superior in every department - and given BMW's poor reliability record (and I've owned two over recent years), it's a no-brainer, buy from the biggest dedicated ev manufacturer in the world.
If I had enough money for the BMW then I would definitely buy the BYD
Here in Thailand the BYD Seal AWD is £34k and the BMW i4 eDrive 35 starts at £86k needless to say I purchased a BYD Seal AWD. I've had it for 4 months and love the car. As I'm writing this the V2L is currently running my house, try doing that in a BMW
How can you compare an Premium class car with an new brand B class car. You don't buy a BMW for the price, but because you want to drive it. Look alone at the interior finishing, the BMW breaths quality over the cheap plastic BYD looks. It's really a combined mess of different design styles from other car brands. It isn't really a fair comparison, mostly judging the price. I would choose the BMW 100x over this kinds of brands, even over a Tesla.
As someone who drives BMW i don't care a BYD or Tesla has more range. I want a car that feels good, looks good and drives good. For me the interior finish is really important, especially if you have to drive long distances.
I completely agree. All the other comments tend to relate to price. Why do people buy The Times or The Telegraph when for much less they could buy The Mirror or The Sun? They are all newspapers. I would love to come back to this review in 3 years time just to see the values of both cars. There might well be a considerable price difference now, but even with a 6 year warranty, let’s see how a BYD holds its value against a BMW!
Rather than a bong it can be set as a vibration - and doesn't reset. So it could still save you from speeding fines or worse.
unfortunately to get the 5 star ncap rating, the ADAS needs to be this intrusive and it won't just be on BYD but other new EVs as well... and i'm sure BYD will have over air update to tone down the systems whilst keeping the rating....
@@fatdoi003read latest update the other day toned down sound
The price difference once you compare the two that are more similar to each other (either the BMW i4 eDrive40 against the RWD BYD or the M50 vs. the AWD BYD) becomes over 20K once you add the options to match them too. The BMW may be the better car, but it's just in the details. Unless you have excess of cash it's just not justified to pay so much more for it.
European brands need to wake up to the new reality. They will be in big trouble very soon if they don't.
Any EV is build using an ice car chassi structure is a No for me.
That is something I look for too. The BYD Seal and Tesla Model 3 are ground up EV, with effective packaging and space optimisation. Whereas the BMW i4 and Polestar 2 are NOT.
@@GT86crazy but can you FLEX 💪 with a tofu Chinese car ? 🙄
@@johnsmith-cw3wo I don't "flex" in my car. But then again I also don't have image issues.
On looks, BYD Seal wins easy.
No
Really disagree. It looks like a 90s Toyota with a bad body shop.
@@Adam-pt3cb No it doesn't and you know it doesn't. Its just the fanboy in you that must make up a justification for favouring your "brand".
@@Adam-pt3cb 😀
@@ensteffo if new BMWs would look like a 90s Toyota....
The perfect car would be BYD and Tesla combination. Getting my Excellence on next monday. Happy days.😀
Very comprehensive and balanced review, thanks very much.
At a year old I see BMW i4 35s advertised at a bit over £41K. I think that tells you something.
that's the VAT depreciation, no?
Would take a BYD over any BMW ev anytime!
Until you start thinking about the actual EV features, implementation of the tech and the quality of the BMS. Then BMW still wipes the floor with any BYD product. Just watch any BYD test of Bjorn Nyland. The brand cannot even implement their own battery tech well.
@@Astkeit's all about setting 😅, they're trying to protect the battery ...
@@chf357 yeah no. Tesla with the BYD battery manages good charging speeds.... BYDs charges slow and manages temperature poorly, just a fact.
Because of tariffs, the price of seals is so high. In China, it only costs 170,000-200,000 yuan, which is less than 22,000 pounds.
2024 model. It’s 149,800---219,800 yuan
And added configuration,
ATTO 3 Price is 79,800 yuan（11000 USD）
I have a Peugeot e208. Would consider a BYD over a BMW on cost grounds every time. My days of buying on brand recommendation is over, when there's 12 grand to be saved. That is more than I spent on my first car! My only concern is a first world issue - how soon before it gets replaced by a newer model?
有机会了看看Zeekr 001，800V高压充电。非常不错。
The thing is, cost conscious buyers will never consider BMW, Audi, Merc or most other premium brands anyway. This is why I do not understand this comparison. If you worry about the cost of a car just go for value. But people who can afford a nice car will probably see the nice touches in the BMW and spend the extra anyway. Also, BMW leasing rates are excellent.
@@Astke My next car will be a step up. Probably a Hyundai or Cupra or the aforementioned BYD. I have no interest in paying through the nose for sub-par product...
@@simonevans8979 It is not a subpar product, that is the thing. Have you actually seen proper road trip videos? People that actually do hard core testing, not just a few drives and static reviews. BYD so far has failed to impress me at all when it comes to actual EV performance. TBF this eDrive35 is not that great in terms of range, but for not that much more you get the eDrive40 that pretty much wipes the floor with the BYD. But you make your decision and pay your price.
If you have to worry about the price, then a bmw is just not for you.
BYD are not an unknown brand in the world that is what matters. They have sold 6 million NEVs of which 3 million are pure EVs.
The Asian car makers tend to sell their cars packed with features included, whereas European brands make you pay through the nose with options, options, options. By the time you have similarly spec'd cars, the price gulf, as you've demonstrated, puts them in different classes altogether.
There will be brand snobs who will insist the European car (BMW, Polstar) is worth it, but IMO the BYD (in this situation) is a no brainer.
Thats why, when your buying second hand BMWs features you're accustomed to like heated seats and electric seats are absent unless they were standard. People don't buy the options they just want the badge. To be fair though they haven't fallen into the trap of the 1L engine everyone else seems to be doing.
A very good review. Atto 3 owner for a year, very nice car and love it, ordered a seal 3.8s, add another BYD to our family. Voice control is very useful and getting better with update.
How is the paint job? High quality? Am considering a Seal but heard of 2 issues... paint job quality and body steel quality.
@@macleansf1 no problem from what I heard, the quality control is very good.
@@tonywei423 Thanks. The choice was between a BYD Seal EV and a BMW 3 GL ICE. After going through all the reviews, the BYD looks to be the favourite.
@@macleansf1 you made the right choice.
I have the Seal, I laught a little everytime I see any of the BMW i cars on the road. More money than sense!
You never drove the i4 i guess
I'm probably in the minority, but I like the styling of the beemer. For me, in a very hot part of Australia, there is no way I'd live with a full length panoramic glass roof. It's the same reason Teslas are a no go for me.
Yes, in southern Europe those panoramic roofs are unbelievable too. The Seal seems to be particularly good at blocking the heat, though, for what I've seen in Australian tests. And it has a manual cover that you can leave on for half of the year.
Still, I'd rather not have it and don't pay for it.
On the flip side, it does come with ventilated seats as standard, which may be trivial in the UK, but really good in hotter places. I'm not sure you can get it on the BMW even as an option.
The Seal comes with silver coating for the sun roof. Testing by a Sydney RUclipsr has shown it works very well at reducing heat inside under the Australian summer sun.
I road tested the Seal during midday in Goa, India. It was quite hot but the Seal's glass roof did an excellent job at insulating the heat.
The BYD Seal comes with removable sun shades for the moonroof
Is there also a big price gap in the leasing market? because for company car drivers it tends to affect if the car is within your bracket and then of course how much BIK tax you pay against the list price of the car?
You are compare two different configurations. The i4 E35 compares more likely to the single motor BYD seal. So some of the comparisons are not fair, which goes even more for the BYD, especially price-wise. I would rather go for the smaller BYD.
But the point is for less money than the BMW, you are getting so much more with the BYD. That’s the whole point of showing that you can get the dual motor Seal for less than the basic i4.
Are the indicators still an option on the BMW i4 35? LOL Great comparison by the way
😂😂😂😂
funny thing is, BMW stalks are probably the highest quality, not counting truly luxurious cars.
Good review. I probably would not buy either of those cars but that is based on your review and I appreciate a test drive will be required by each individual
BYD without a doubt. Ordered mine already after cancelling the order for i4 edrive 40
Yeah, no, still not getting used to that BM styling.
For the difference in batteries, I personally am a bit disappointed with the extra range on the Seal. Of course, it has a more powerful set of motors but still: the gain could be better I guess...
problem with bmw is it doesn't look like electric car , not futuristic like byd seal
That’s what’s good about it. Not everyone wants an EV that looks like a spaceship.
@@Rob84MThe intake compartment of a gasoline car is used in an EV car, which is a stupid design
@@مرواریدمشرقزمین Well it’s not a ground up EV, but that’s a different debate. My point was more of a general one, that some prefer less wacky styling.
to some people that is the good thing about it. i4 has been selling quite well, so it does not seem to bother people all that much.
That’s not a problem, it’s a USP
You can set up a shortcut to switch off speed limit warning. Just swipe down. Most reviewers don't have the car long enough to know all the tips. That said hopefully an OTA update will fix this and other niggles.
in Australia the Android Auto is wireless across all 3 versions of the BYD and the "BYD badge" is on the back. They seem like weird exclusions in the UK and believe it or not, the cars are even cheaper here as there are no duties.
Now you know why European Union wanted to impose heavy tariff on Chinese EV makers. Else the European traditional car makers will get devoured completely.
EU certainly learned well from the American.
"When you can't compete, just come out with some ridiculous reasons to kill the competitions"
Oh yeah, before you fools claiming Chinese EVs are heavily subsided by the Chinese government.
Pls wake up from your denial.
The very same model same spec is selling even way cheaper in mainland China.
Apparantly BYD ‘s saloon is higher quality and higher design.
Having driven many brands over the years and the last ten years are Bmw.
Overall quality for me is a no brainer, outside and inside.
Buy once, cry once.
The more van like it is, the better I like it. My car has to double up as a camper van, so a window van is much more practical for me!!
Loving the reviews! Of course, capital cost, range, and miles per kWh are important costs when choosing an EV. But could you also include some information on expected depreciation (not easy if the model is relatively new, I know), and cost of insuring - these might also be necessary to make an informed choice. Thanks.
The Build Your Dreams is a beautiful looking car. It’s reasonably practical vehicle that would carry my normal load, but not so good for holidays!!
I am not a BMW owner but can see there are 2 problems getting BMW owners to buy the BYD.
1) It is not a BMW
2) it has not got proven reliability.. long term ...over 9 to 20 years.
As a Lexus owner myself that second point is the most important and would not consider anything that doesn't have a long term reliability record that comes very close to Lexus.
BMW and 'proven reliability' is an oxymoron.
@harrylo2316 to Lexus Owners the majority of manufacturers and reliability is an oxymoron.
@@KeithFLOOK-wd3uw Who cares? You're paying Euro prices for what's essentially a glorified Toyota and that's a show stopper for many people.
Neither are BMW EVs' long-term reliability proven.
Thanks for the video. As a Seal dual motor owner (called the Performance in Australia) and an F10 5 Series, I actually see more of a similarity with a five series BMW, both in terms of interior space and luxury / sport balance.
Also, the i4 M50 is the equivalent performing car to the Seal dual motor, did you consider this comparison? The price difference would have been mind boggling in this case.
Great video. Seriously considering going for a BYD
Good choice!
BYD for me
BYD seal❤ Sorry voor de Europese markt. Hadden ze maar eerder moeten aan denken.
I strongly suspect we’ll see the power of electric cars come down over the next 5 years. It feels like early EVs ramped the power up to show what they could do and become a selling point and since then other manufacturers seem to be trying to make sure they can compete in that space. But it’s entirely unnecessary to have a 3sec 0-60 time with 500+bhp. I think motors will get smaller and lighter to increase range and they’ll still be absolutely fine for daily use.
深圳市有大量跑了5年、里程上80万公里的出租车，动力没有衰减，满电里程衰减了10%而已。同样的油车，发动机已经报废了。
He didn't mean that power of present EVs will come down. He meant that future EVs will be manufactured with lesser power to enable greater range.
I've watched several reviews of the seal and every single one suffers with camera judder, which strongly suggests an overly stiff ride. For that reason and the restrictive boot entry I'd overlook the seal without hesitation.
Its always easy to win on price and trim features. What you just said is BMW is a better car (maybe in eDrive 40 trim) but not everybody can afford it. Maybe, you should have made the message clearer. Also, the value for money proposition must include used car prices 3-7 years down…
great review!
The only thing that makes BMW not perfect is the non-electric current platform it has. You can tell these were management decisions focused on $€£
Great video
There is an OTA update for the Seal sedan rolling out that addresses the ADAS issues especially around the intrusive warning sounds.
The BYD Seal is a ground up built EV. The BMW is a converted ice vehicle to EV. Honestly why would you bother with any converted ice vehicle to EV no matter the brand unless you are a brand snob.
quality......luxury......yea if i had 50k$ i would find 10 more for bmw
Hope Byd hybrid, DMI, could come to UK sooner, which is more superior to Toyota's because it's a battery-age hybrid technology. Toyota's is ICE-age technology
The Seal should have a lift-back like the i4
The -Seal- Tesla 3 should have a lift-back like the i4
Agreed, it would make the Seal even better. How about an estate version of the Seal? That would be killer!
@@GT86crazy estate nowhere as popular as SUV..... there're Song plus, Seal U, Song L.....
@@fatdoi003 that is true but an SUV is nowhere near as cool as an estate
@@GT86crazy sure but cool not always translate to sales...... sometimes reality bites
Not a hope in hell I would buy any Chinese manufacturers car. It’s not about money, it’s about the whole driving experience, dealer support, reliability, resale value (it does matter). Further and Faster doesn’t necessarily sell a car. Chinese cars are cheap because of massive subsidies. What data is the car sending back to base - does that matter. Oh and the BMW roundel is NOT a propellor, it’s the colours of the Bavarian flag.
少些偏见，你多试试就知道了。
The first 25 minutes may as well be on a repeat loop of your conclusion.
You need to train the AI first before they know what you say. If you don't train it, It works better with American accent!
I would definitely go gor the Seal anytime
Japanese EV of the Year 2023 are...
1st BYD Dolphin
2nd Hyundai Kona
3rd BYD Atto3
Two BYD Models Triumph at the "2023 Japan EV of the Year" Awards
BYD, the world's leading new energy vehicle manufacturer, achieved a victory in the "2023 Japan EV of the Year" awards, with the BYD DOLPHIN winning the "Grand Prix" at the first place and the BYD ATTO 3 ranks third. This marks the first time a Chinese carmaker has received such accolades.
Personally, I would rather have a Tesla than a BMW!! Well, that’s my choice of those two cars. My favourite, however, is the Vauxhall Combo Life Electric with Wheelhome Vikenze III camper conversion.
In a danish test the BYD has big problems: It doesnt show the charging points in the routeplanner and it went from 10% soc to zero in a few seconds so it was towed away!
Blade batteries can be a bit more problematic in a way that the soc needs to calibrate. To avoid that scenario you described. You need to discharge the battery once a month if im not wrong. You do that to calibrate the battery thats what they recommend if I remember correctly.
@@UgglemannenFTW This is important info. I'm picking my Seal up this week. Should I get it all the way down to zero?
@@GT86crazy I cant rememeber correctly should say in the manual. Think it was around 20% atleast.
@@GT86crazy I looked it up. The manual says charge to 100% atleast a week and charge from 10% once 3 to 6 months. On page 106 it says what to do. Atleast in the swedish version.
@@UgglemannenFTW thanks!! great info
The BYD does actually look great and performance also a massive plus, but you need to consider second hand value as the majority of folk won't buy cash, therefore monthly cost or total over 3 years really close the gap with affordability for PCP or lease deals. But I wouldn't buy one until there's a permanent way to turn off them bings and bongs! My current BMW saw sense to send a software update to do exactly that!
if i'm getting a EV i'll lease it not buy it and change every few years as the battery wears down....
Good review but this video has aged already - With BYD's latest software update for existing cars, Apple Carplay and Android Auto are wireless and ACAD (sounds and steering force) is modified to be less intrusive, and can be turned off beyond the current operating period.
That’s the issue with technology changing as fast as it does.
ID7 is not a compact sports saloon. It has bil inteeior soace compared to the Beemer.
I will never buy a car which requires electrical motors to push out the door hamdles to open it.
two different levels of cars cannot be compared
Both are D Segment, all electric sports saloons. The base price of the i4 sits just above the BYD's. How are they not comparable? Even both the manufacturers see themselves as natural rivals......
@@AutoEV BMW i4 is from the premium midsize segment
The very segment BYD is playing to with the Seal. As is Tesla with the Model 3. As is Polestar with the 2. As is VW with the ID.7 and Hyundai with the Ioniq 6. All of these manufacturers see themselves as natural rivals to each other, so we judge them so. And I say this as a BMW driver.
exactly, you can compare all these with each other because they are D segment. i4 no, it is not D segment, it costs double the ones you listed and has a higher construction level overall@@AutoEV
Apologies, but the i4 is vey much a D-segment car as its based upon the 4 Series. Even BMW list these cars as the i4's rivals. Anything bigger and its an i5. Irrespective of construction cost, or retail price, if its a rival, it stands comparison.
I would take the BYD over the BMW.
The channel need update you are talking about EV not ICE, you know the focus shall be difference right?
Sorry, I’m not sure I understand what you mean?
focus of EV an ICE are quite different, you are way too much ICE style@@AutoEV
I don’t think we are, and in fairness, we always approached the EV side of things as an alternative fuel source, rather than from a tech-biased standpoint. We are car enthusiasts at AutoEV, and we approach the EV world in just the same way as we would ICE. Why should they be different? And if we do this, then perhaps other ICE drivers will get our point about how good EVs are. But I feel we have the focus right. Apologies if you disagree, or we don’t appeal in the correct way to you. Your feedback is noted and very welcome, so thank you.
Lets see how the byd lasts over two years bmw is usally built proof
they are not comparable ... the price not at the same level .
I4 is not even a full fledge EV platform.
Rear seat is too cramp would consider only a a to b segment.
Seal is just a better looking car than the i4. BMW desperately needs a new design team.
You will pay more for a BMW but it will have better resale value than a BYD. So in the end you will lose more money with BYD. How´s that ?
You really need to make these videos more concise! A whole hour of this comparison? Please script write and/ or edit them a bit better!! So much waffle!
The BMW is outrageously ugly! I think their CEO is trying to test and see how many dumb wealthy people are out there...
i still can't fully accept chris bangle's flame concept on his bmw.... that's 20 years ago
I really didn't like the current BMW 3 series front end when I first saw it. But it's actually growing on me...and that back end is nice.
Buying car involves high level of emotional bias. Unfortunately BYD makes great cars but facing strong negative ideological attack from US led western world.what doesn’t break you makes you, I venture to bet BYD will be a better choice than BMW i4 for consumers weight value more than branding.
BYD better in "every conceivable way"? Really? What about comfort and refinement? What about build quality and reliability? Of course, BMW is nowhere near as reliable as a Lexus, but it's in another world when compared to BYD. And having a longer warranty when you have to bring back your car time and time again to the workshop doesn't help you much. Speaking of the dealerships, what network of competent repair shops does BYD offer currently? Now, I know that the motoring journalists are fascinated by the Chinese onslaught, like a deer is fascinated by the headlights of the car that is going to squash it, but let's try some objectivity. BMW is expensive because it's premium. In "every conceivable way"...
Don’t get me wrong, the BMW is still the drivers choice, but as I said, in today’s market when people are keeping a tight eye on finances and the cost of things, the BYD offers close to the BMW for a lot less. A significant amount less. Now I’m a big fan of the i4, but £60,000 as opposed to £48,000 is a big difference. And the BYD drives well, is as comfortable as the i4 and is hardly a car that suffers from a lack of refinement. Their dealer network is expanding fast in the UK (another 65 to be added in 2024) and those that are taking on the franchise are well established names. I don’t disagree with your statement that BMW is premium, but my point is, the BYD offers far better value in a car that is just as good in almost every area. It has nothing to do with being “fascinated by the Chinese onslaught” as I don’t particularly rate the BYD Dolphin, but credit has to be given where it’s due. The Seal is an excellent car, and in this case, I feel, the better one for what it offers at the price.
Buying a BMW isn't about standing out from the crowd, though that can sometimes be a nice thing. BMWs are extremely well engineered and well built cars that last long and represent good value despite their higher cost.
Not so sure bout the engineering - the N47 diesel in the 520d gave plenty problems at relatively low mileage...
@@Joe-ud2hb Nikasil and Direct Injection were bad mistakes too. But you'd be hard pressed to show car companies who try hard things and don't step in 54i7 occasionally.
buying bmw IS about standing out from the crowd but in a bad way with that styling...
How do you stand out from the crowd if everyone and their mum is driving a BMW??? (jk) but not really. BMW have really jumped the shark with some of their new car designs, e.g. the iX.
Are BMW well built/engineered though? Really? I thought the general consensus is that you don't want to own one out of warrantee cos and older BMW will become a money pit? Or is that a myth? My brother-in-law had a BMW mini that continuously leaked oil. Constantly in and out of the shop until he gave up and sold it.
BMW and good engineering is a joke lmao. Stick to Lexus and Toyota if u r looking for engineering
Front headlight of BYD is Toyota supra, taycan copied supra!
BMW will break down in few months and then u will end with thousands paid in maintenance
The BYD Seal looks suspiciously like a design copy of the Model 3 Highland.
Typical Tesla fan boy. How could the Seal be a copy of the M3 Highland when the former was released more than a year before the latter?
@@harrylo2316 ''L''-on femboys are always hilarious. 🙃
my ELECTRIC CAR is now WORTHLESS EVen the DEALERSHIP doesn’t want it back! EVs are DISPOSABLE JUNK!!
And on top of that, would I really want to buy a car with white leather interior? What an absolutely stupid piece of design!! Neither would I buy a BLACK Car.
Sorry but I do not buy made in China.
Both are stupidly expensive for an EV, ridiculous, they do not cost this kind of money to make and in China the BYD is currently less than half the price!! RIP off Britain again. EV’s priced like ICE cars..
The reason why BYD costs so much overseas is the ridiclous tarriffs.
Governments need that to protect local brands.
When I had a look at a Seal the first thing that struck me was the awful stink from the cheap plastics and vinyl seats, reminded me very much of a 1970’s Datsun Cherry. I’m very happy with my BMW i4 eDrive40 with leather, 19” wheels and adaptive suspension. In my opinion with the exception of the Polestar, the quality of all the Korean and Chinese cars is poor. If you’re prepared to accept poor quality, there’s no real alternative to the Tesla in this class.
Your review sucks. The BYD seal is a way better EV than BMW. You know it, you wasted a whole hour for these views
Did you miss the part where I say that the BYD is the better choice? The bit right at the end. The BYD wins....Curious comment......
Ahah it's not even close between these two cars. Unless ur still backwards thinking stick to BMW before China takes ur data :)
Silly boy, it's not about 'standing out from the crowd'; it's about driving the best car for people who actually enjoy driving. Nothing comes close to a BMW (unless you can afford a Porsche 😂)
Which I agree with, hence why I say that the BMW is still the better car to drive......
But not everyone puts driving enjoyment at the top of their buying criteria, so for those who don't, its hard to argue against the BYD.
But you say twice that the main reason for buying a BMW is to stand out from the crowd, and that their current ubiquity renders that pointless. I would argue that 'standing out from the crowd' is waaay down the list. You're comparing apples with oranges here. BMW drivers will pay a premium for the driving and build quality. A better comparison would be with the Tesla Model 3, surely? The BYD does look like a very good car, mind
@@AutoEVbut you buy a BMW because you want a drivers car. Kind of inherent to the marque. You don't look at BYD and go drivers car🤷 and for me once you get into those higher price ranges a) you lease it because electric and they change so fast b) you want the best drivers car you can get, isn't that the point of an exec saloon? Otherwise you buy something more towards the luxury/comfort end of things. I do feel like a Tesla is more what you'd be cross shoping rather than a BMW.
Bratwurst Motor Wank
more west anti-china rhetoric.....
????
TESLA MODEL 3... wins all day long..
Tesla > BMW + BYD
If I caught it correctly the price difference is £3k for the base models. BMW for me at this level. If you're talking about a £10k plus saving, then it may be worth considering the Byd.
The issue is, to get the specification that the BYD has as standard, you need to option the BMW up, and that’s where the big difference comes from. But even that £3k difference at base level Sport the BYD offers more range and greater performance. You can save another £3k by going for the single motor Seal Design which has the same standard specification, but a single motor. That’s still more powerful with a longer range than the i4 and costs even less…..
@@AutoEV but in the end is still a TOFU made in China quality. 🐼
Very sneaky BMW propaganda
Sorry, the BMW's nostrals are so disgusting. When look at it just want to vomit!