Our F1 Driver Ratings for the 2024 Australian Grand Prix
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An N/A makes by far the most sense for a technical issue the driver couldn’t control
But does an N/A mean a 0 or what? Cause Matt and Tommy have to average these scores out
@@imgoodkinda This race would be nullified, his average would be based on all the other races, like this one never happened
@@los_blancos4499 oh I see
The slight issue with that is then Hamilton also deserves an n/a and arguably bottas,zhou and Ocon as well, I’d say you just give Max a 9 because he was doing very well but giving him a 10 for driving 2 laps is a bit much
@@hunterreeves6525 Verstappen DNFed right at the beginning, Hamilton had like 20 laps for us to kind of judge his race pace. And when it comes to the other guys, you can still just base them off their pace and how they drove, disregarding the pit stops, you can't for Verstappen
Max should be N.A.
As you said, any rating would be unfair. You know he would show more if he didn't get the dnf. Maybe you should come with a rule that says if the driver completed around 50% of the race you can rate his performance
Unless of course the DNF was their doing. Like a crash or collision
They have consistently judged drivers who didn't finish based on their qualifying and form over the weekend. The only driver who deserves an NA this week is Logan Sargeant. Well, and if they have to rate everyone in the top 20 then Oliver Bearman.
E: FWIW I was watching the "3 minutes ago" video and saw this "2 minutes ago" comment when I replied; I don't listen to the podcast version separately so I was unaware @maxverkerk was responding directly to the M&T asking for fan feedback on this issue. I don't think a 10 is out of line for Max; also find it a bit curious that no one in this thread seems to be supporting an NA for Hamilton (which admittedly the guys didn't suggest as an option).
They have but they should change it it's funny that it took a Verstappen dnf to figure this out...@@EvilGenius007
@@EvilGenius007 Yes, and when they did, they were wrong. I do not understand why. If a driver didn't race, you have no sample, so N/A. Unless they crashed themselves out of the race.
@@EvilGenius007 Then, on the other hand, Max should be given 10 points because he was the only one who didn't make a mistake in Q3 and almost caught the Ferrari, which was thought to be unreachable until then, in the last sector. And he led the race smoothly until the brakes failed.
I feel like you should rate the drivers and the teams seperately. Zhou and Bottas did everything they could but got let down by the team. Same as Max because of the car failure.
Hmmmmmmmmmmm...
Max was even keeping up with a brake permanently locked for a while.
Sauber’s pit stops are most concerning right now. All 3 races so far something has gone badly wrong.
@@xtheamazingax in bahrain it was bottas, in saudi it was zhou, and in australia it was both 💀
drivers get punished because of their teams, it's fair
We did it, everyone. Logan Sargeant got 10/10 his best race ever 😂. Driver of day the true team players 🎉
Lmfao I’m pretty sure I voted 10 too 😭 gotta support the only American tho
A 10/10 for logan is not binning it or making a bunch of mistakes
Literally a team player, very professional response for being benched and participating in the data analysis and preparation throughout the weekend.
Yup! Logan has been working hard and keeping his chin up! He always does what's right for the team. He has chops, but he really needs to find his form with lightening speed! So glad to see the entire audience at the race cheer him for holding his head up! 10 outta 10 for "Pressing On Regardless"! And bonus points for bulking up so well over the winter. One cannot say that Logie Sarge isn't working for his biscuits!
As an American and a Logan fan, I love this comment, somebody sees it. Thank you!@@michaelsullivan3581
I'd say Max should be N/A but maybe have a cut off of 20% race distance for mechanical failures. That way someone crashing on the opening lap would get rated but someone breaking down before you really get the chance to see them drive wouldn't be rated
I agree but I also believe that Lewis deserves his rating because everything up to that point was disappointing.
Completely agree
@usernamebored69 this system would work for that, Ham retired on lap 17, there were 58 laps so everything after lap 11/12 would count
@@hbrown689Hamilton and Russell should've got 0.15/10.
@@usernamebored69why Verstappen N/A? I think Lanzhu Zhong also got N/A like Verstappen.
If you think Zhou's drive was 5/10 that's fine, but if your reasoning is the team doesn't know how to do a pit stop, I can't see how that can be Zhou or Bottas' fault - they both drove decently and as well as their team and their car could allow them to do; personally I'd give a 6 to both drivers and a 2 to the team
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Waiting for Matt to mark Leclerc down because Ferrari screwed something up.
2 for the team? Seems generous
But it’s not like Zhou’s drive was particularly good before, literally dead last in qualifying
The reasoning of the pit stop is what’s stopping it from being a 0. Not the other way around. Even without the stop zho was very average
I like Albon but this was not a 6/10 weekend. He finished 11th when 3 top drivers dnf so normally would’ve been 14th plus he was battling and lost out to haas drivers and wrecked his teammates weekend
So glad that Yuki is finally getting some recognition and respect. He's been performing well for a while now
Yuki has stepped up! This is a constant upward curve going on three seasons! Very impressive actually!
It was literally on checo’s racing engineer that failed to tell him of Nico’s approach and caused checo a 3 grid penalty. On top of that, the tire degradation along with the floor damage caused by Alonso’s visor tear off led to the performance loss that was seen
Don’t belive it. Checo is full of excuses. Yeah he got a 3 place grid penalty but so does everyone else for the same thing and he was in a rocket ship.
Both Merc drivers exclaimed how fast the car was…it clearly wasn’t having any problems for that half of the race and after we would have DEFINITELY heard Perez screaming about it. As it happens he didn’t come up with that excuse till after he parked.
@@mamavswildit's funny how checo never mentioned the damage and just said the car balance was off during the hard tyre stint, and both Christian and Helmut had to say that he picked up damage making him lose a lot of downforce, yet you still say checo is making the excuses. It's so obviously different when someone doesn't like a driver for his driving style or something and when you don't like him just because
It's disappointing in the fact that Max was able to keep up with Sainz and was almost pulling away from sainz with a handicap, till said handicap ruined his race, but Perez on the other hand is at RB to pick up the win when Max is unable to, it's literally his only role at this point and if he can't do that then it's no point having him at RB. Ps I'm not saying that Carlos didn't deserve his win, but for Perez to be so far off is not acceptable at all.
@@yanikdavid3708 idk if you're trying to be ignorant on purpose or not but in a track where it's very difficult to stay close with the leader and Max having free air, if this was Bahrain he would have been 1+ seconds ahead of Sainz. It's not rocket science to figure out that Ferrari aren't that far off of redbull. Plus checos worst part of the race was his start where he lost a place but after overtaking Alonso he had damage which according to horner he lost about 20 points of downforce which is quite a lot. It's easy to hate on a driver when he's being compared to one of the all time greats.
@@amalsudhikumar4881 I'm not hating on him, but my point is when he says stuff like no chance max would've won even without the brake issue just makes him seem incompetent. I agree it's not easy to follow in australia, but the p5 is a result of not being able to maximize the car. In bahrain he barely finished a couple seconds ahead of sainz when max was 20 seconds down the road.
Even more convince that you guys should do a rating for the teams as well.
For example in the case of Zhou he probably deserve the rating, but at the same time the team perform really poorly. Plus at the end of the season we would see how good each team was.
zhou showed great pace starting fronm the pit lane, he caught up with the grid pretty quickly. Not to mention he had a broken front wing in qualifying and before the issue he was several tenths above his teammate.
@@ViktorontoZhou was also quicker than VCARB cars.
Max: N/A
For mechanical failures, have them do a specific % race completion to qualify for a race rating
Haas doing well just warms my heart
Amazing what can happen when you have a serious TP!
We'll see how well they do in China. Not having three practice sessions to play with tires could trip them up.
@@stevenmontgomery1786the car was built when Steiner was still in charge, you won't see any effects of the new tp until later in the year
Yeah, especially Nico
If Max gets a N/A, so should every other mechanical DNF, these are random events and part of the sport, they might occur in the formation lap or the last lap and the pilot has no control over them, Max did a great job in the 2 laps he raced, could have been 45 and DNF.
Agreed, Hamilton should be considered for NA, too, right?
@pmor4272 No, he deserves that 5, he was doing so poorly before the mechanical failure.
But Friday and Saturday also count 😂
My boy Yuki!!!
Why do you rate Zhou low for things that are NOT driver related in a segment about Driver ratings ?
They always do when it comes to guys lower down the grid. Really weird
It makes no sense. But you shouldn’t take Matt and Tommy’s ratings seriously! It’s just content
It's kind of pathetic that they've rated Hamilton higher than Sauber and Alpine drivers every race.
When Hamilton's been well outdriven by his teammate in all 3 races.
@@luckyspursThat's the British bias my friend.....
@@luckyspursso? Hamilton was five hundredths behind when he was knocked out by Russell
I’d rate ocon above Hamilton but gasly and neither kick sauber driver should be above Lewis. You think shittas should be above 😂😂and a Chinese pay driver who got knocked out in Q1 every session😂😂😂
Feel like the judgement on Perez was harsh, he was coming through the field until he picked up the tear-off from Fernando
Was he though? He'd only passed 2 cars at that point, and he hadn't gained any places on his starting position considering Max DNF'ed in front of him. Granted, we haven't seen Max make a run through the field yet, so maybe it's difficult to pass even for a Red Bull this year...
@thomasvrielink299 both those cars he passed he was quite far behind, Alonso he was several seconds behind
@@paulk3198 You could argue he made up that gap, but you could also argue he allowed that gap to open up. Of course, Alonso had a cheap pit stop which accounted for that, but Russell started behind Checo and shouldn't have been allowed to get ahead. Other than that, maybe Checo was doing a good job, but maybe he was poor, or just ok. I'm leaning towards just ok, in which case a 5 or a 6 is a valid grade.
He shouldn't have had to come through the pack in that car in the first place. When Max's brake went up in smokes he should've been right there to inherit the lead of the race. and he wasn't.
Average ratings after Australia
Average Matt ratings
Max Verstappen: 10
Oliver Bearman: 10
Carlos Sainz: 9.5
Charles Leclerc: 8.33
Oscar Piastri: 7.67
Fernando Alonso: 7.67
Lando Norris: 7.67
Sergio Perez: 7.33
Yuki Tsunoda: 7.33
Kevin Magnussen: 7
Nico Hulkenberg: 7
George Russell: 6.67
Alex Albon: 6.33
Zhou Guanyu: 6
Lewis Hamilton: 5.67
Lance Stroll: 5.67
Valtteri Bottas: 5.33
Esteban Ocon: 5.33
Pierre Gasly: 4.67
Logan Sargeant: 4.5
Daniel Ricciardo: 4
Average Tommy ratings
Max Verstappen: 10
Oliver Bearman: 10
Carlos Sainz: 9.5
Charles Leclerc: 8.33
Oscar Piastri: 8
Fernando Alonso: 7.67
Lando Norris: 7.67
Sergio Perez: 7.33
Yuki Tsunoda: 7
Nico Hulkenberg: 6.67
Kevin Magnussen: 6.67
George Russell: 6.33
Esteban Ocon: 6
Lewis Hamilton: 5.67
Alex Albon: 5.67
Zhou Guanyu: 5.67
Valtteri Bottas: 5.33
Lance Stroll: 5
Pierre Gasly: 4.67
Logan Sargeant: 4.5
Daniel Ricciardo: 3.67
Average fan ratings
Max Verstappen: 10
Oliver Bearman: 10
Carlos Sainz: 9.5
Charles Leclerc: 8
Kevin Magnussen: 8
Oscar Piastri: 7.67
Lando Norris: 7.67
Sergio Perez: 7.33
Fernando Alonso: 7.33
Nico Hulkenberg: 7.33
George Russell: 6.67
Yuki Tsunoda: 6.67
Alex Albon: 6.33
Zhou Guanyu: 6
Lance Stroll: 5.67
Lewis Hamilton: 5.33
Pierre Gasly: 5
Esteban Ocon: 5
Valtteri Bottas: 4.67
Logan Sargeant: 4
Daniel Ricciardo: 3.67
Edit: I counted Logan and Max as NA
It is absolutely ridiculous that the ‘fans’ gave Max a 5 for a brake fire but gave Logan a 10 or an NA? Hopefully I just heard that wrong.
If I didn’t hear that right then I think that fans shouldn’t get a vote bc they just proved themselves to be unable to judge objectively.
@@mamavswildokay, I will count Max as N.A.
RB didn't give PER enough warning about HUL, he did show good pace before picking up damage, Horner said the damage was worth 20% of his total downforce. How? How do you take those facts into consideration and then say PER had a poor performance? If RB do their job of notifying him in time and he doesn't lose significant downforce he's probably racing Carlos for the win. What did PER actually do wrong this weekend?
They are haters mate, and they are also DR fans, you can see how they completely ignored the fcats and Horner and Marko post race interviews because those dodnt suit their agenda
@@miltonalejandrohernandezlo4204 it's all a big conspiracy! They obviously hate everyone you like, conspiracy I say!!
You are the only british f1 media I find enjoyable to watch as a verstappen fan. Keep it up
either give maxie the 10 based on how he preformed before the brake disc annilation. or give him a N/A but make a rule where you must finish a certain distance, cuz otherwise you gotta give lewis also a N/A if your not setting a minumum race distance completed
Checo qual'd P3. His engineer let him down and gave him the penalty, not Checo's fault (go back and listen to the radio comms)
Also totally ignored the tear-off that was stuck and, according to Horner himself, let to a significant amount of downforce lost. Checo was making his way through the field until he caught/passed Alonso, and suddenly his pace just disappeared, like dropped from nowhere. Perez isn't an amazing driver but he's not that bad.
Checo is fighting for the podium without the tear-off issue, and likely would have been fighting for P2/win if he didn't get the qual penalty. I don't think Checo would have won easily, even in the rocketship RB20, but I also think y'all are being a bit too harsh just because of the last few years.
Honestly this is how they always are.. idk if its because he's North American or what. They are a F1 podcast so you would think they would think oh Max & Checo complained bout brakes this weekend then Max's brakes literally exploded and said set up is wrong. The whole team was on the back foot this weekend but they can't see past the HEADLINES.
@@99hrs Red Bull wanted to protect its front tyres but overdid it and Checo had to have his wing adjusted I think twice (at least once) during pit stops. But of course they missed that detail too
@@noahlange5102Exactly.!! And sure I don’t expect them to know every detail about every drivers race but it’s not hard to understand Red Bull was have issues and like you said they tried to protect their front tires. But it feels like anytime Tommy hears Checos name he has to drop some type of hate on him, and Matt he just has that Brit bias that unfortunately floods F1 can’t get an even coverage of any team.
In that last stint after passing Alonso Perez was losing up to a second a lap. I was watching the counter. Up until that point he had been passing people and walking off into the distance left and right.
I love that Matt and Tom get more views in the first ten minutes than WTF1 get in months. 😂
Oh daaaamn I didn't notice wtf1 died so much
i keep checking on their channel... its really bad...
was going through their page checking views, got to a video with alot of numbers... then saw katy and tommy were in it and was like, oh
Live vids that used to get 60k, they dont even get 6k....
@@kiwigourou I don’t even get any notifications of their content now. I had to check I hadnt blocked them.
@@b29ak2007 yeah, you get the sense that there’s way more bad blood than Matt and Tommy let on about. The way they deleted the goodbye video tells you that.
Looks like they thought the brand was the attraction (it is a cool name…) rather than the comedy/straight man double act.
Best presenting pair outside of Lance Armstrong and George Hincapie.
@@chrisswindell7704 wait where is lance and hencapie...
Mathematically it makes no difference if its an N/A or a 10. He has 10 every other race, its the difference between the average of 40pts over 4 races or 30pts over 3 races. The Avg is still 10
It makes no difference yet. But the moment he doesn't get a 10 (in case that will ever happen) it influences the average. I also think N/A would be the fairest and simplest decision. That counts for this individual race but what if he had a bad qualifying? Then it would not sound fair to let him get away with a N/A
They give Stroll a 7 and the pen helped but he was also screwed by the safety car helping some like alonso be ahead of him - he had more pace all weekend
I feel like you should rate the drivers and the teams seperately. Zhou and Bottas did everything they could but got let down by the team. Same as Max because of the car failure
I agree, I think Matt and Tommy adding a team rating as well would be really interesting
And Williams not having a spare chassis is pretty embarrassing.
It is the responsibility of the team to communicate traffic updates when qualifying. Why blame Sergio for his team’s error? He also had a damaged floor and a compromised setup. A 5/10 is ludicrous for Sergio.
If you give Max an NA, you need to give one to every driver that DNFs because of the car or team and not a mistake they made.
No, as the case with max is that he had that issue from the moment he started the race. Lewis for example was running really poorly for 20 or so laps and then boom his engine suddenly cut out. You’d give Lewis the grade based on his poor performance
On Alonso's penalty, it's tough. The line between naughty and dangerous IS "if the following driver is able to respond safely". There's no grey area; either Russell isn't able to respond and there's a penalty, or Russell is able to respond and it's merely naughty. So as loathe as I am to defend the FIA, I think they didn't consider Russell, otherwise he would have gotten "causing a collision".
Better to give the penalty for dangerous driving than not. We all know what he was trying to do
He was, however if you listen to the last lap, his engine starts dying, can’t apply throttle well.
It’s hard to know if the engine was going before or after that.
@@sadikurrahman4833 what was he trying to do explain?
Max should be an N/A. I think it is fair to judge the drives based on the laps they've driven to determine a grade, but in this case there is not really any data to judge since he pretty much only raced 1 lap and then had mechanical problems which are entirely not his fault.
they judge them based on qualifying performance too tho
@@yeetmachine2161 But Max Smoked everyone in Qualifying. So a 5 would be outragous.
Yuki 10/10 from both of you. 👍
I actually think Max should get a 10. Bar Sunday and the rear brake failure, he was doing a fantastic job as a driver. It's the car that failed him, and he shouldn't be penalized for that.
N/A makes more sense as to not completely break the year average based on something the driver had 0 control over
I'm surprised almost nothing was mentioned of the 3 dnfs and 1 dns making all midfield cars look better
A running scoreboard of the drivers at the end of the episode would be nice to see how they compare based on the aggregate of your ratings. Great work as always!
Being lenient to Russel but not to Perez is crazy tbh
This guys suck
the checo hate from you guys will always be crazy, quali pen was his engineers fault for not telling him in time and he had floor damage in race and it very obviously made his race pace fall off hard
I think an NA would be fair for Max. Using the Logan logic, it wasn't Logan's fault he didn't race. It wasn't Max's fault he didn't finish the race. NA for Sargeant, NA for Verstappen. I do like the rule that if the d4iver completes 50% of the race, then they get a rating.
You’d need some more rules, as by that rule if they crash on their own on lap 8 then they don’t get a rating.
Maybe if they don't complete 25% of the race and its a mechanical failure or get taken out give a N/A. If they don't complete 25% of race and crash out then rate them. Of course for the crash they have to be part of the incident and not be an innocent bystander who gets taken out that they had no chance in avoiding.
Intro was little confusing but funny😅
You could consider giving an N/A when the driver is unable to finish through no fault of their own. This, I think would apply to Max, Hamilton, and of course Sargent. Russel even though the crash was influenced by "external factors"--not the car or driver--you can still see his performance up to the last lap. At the end of the year, average out the races with ratings excluding the N/A's.
N/A or 10 for Max, nothing else makes sense. Anything less than 10 means mistakes. He made none. So nothing lower than 10 makes sense. But if he had gotten sick before the race and didn't even start it, would you give him a grade? Probably not. I think N/A makes the most sense. I read it as "no sample". Doesn't affect the average, just one less sample of performance from him.
What about Gasly in Saudi? He got a 5 and DNF on lap 1
TeN/A
@@unargentinocualquiera1624 tbf because max could potential have a 10/10 season its obviously different
True @@ehrlichgesagt863
They’ve always done this, why change it for max
Absolutely ridiculous that you give PER 5 and RUS 4.5 after quali on 3, finishing 5 after a penalty of no fault of his own.
Thanks, I always love your video's!
I think that you need to be consistent, you were happy to rate Lewis when he had a car issue. Yes he completed more laps than max but it can't be one rule for max and one for everyone else in my opinion.
I believe other drivers have been graded with car errors in previous driver ratings like I believe Charles in Brazil last year. So I think a driver rating is appropriate in this instance.
Lewis's is done.
deserved win for sainz!
Led the race with the handbrake on. We have to give him props for winning with the handbrake side quest 11/10 well earned N/A
If lewis got a grade, max should get a grade, it you must be consistent
this was the most chaotic pod ever.... and i loove iit!!
I think NA makes the most sense for these types of situations.
I'd give Logan a 9/10 cos apart from a little spin in FP1 he didn't make any mistakes all weekend.
I think we also need a Team rating too. So many times drivers have been great with the teams messing up and vise versa.
i was at the race. saw yuki drive in friday and he waved at me. i take full responsibility for his 10/10, was an excellent weekend as a result.
thank you so much for this we need more of that for yuki 😂❤
I think if you don't make the first pitstop and it's not of your fault what so ever, ie engine failure, you get an NA. We need to make a hard cutoff point if we are going to start giving NA for DNF/DNS.
I think Max should be NA, but should Lewis too?
Only reason I don't see this working is because of the following scenario. What if the driver starts on hard tyres and drives for more than 50% of the race on them tyres and then has a failure just before the pitstop. This is a large enough sample to rate their performance on. Should be a % of the race like 25%.
We love your content, first and foremost. Your driver ratings, funniest tweets and predictions are the highlight of our week.
Having said that… my wife (who is a Max Verstappen fan) and I feel like your reluctance to give Max a grade after DNF’ing is… inconsistent. As far as we can recall, you’ve never declined to give a driver who DNF’d a grade before now. Even this time around, it didn’t stop you from grading Hamilton, who also DNF’d due to a mechanical failure.
Grade the dude.
The janitorial staff at Steak F1 probably could do a better job than the current pit team. What is going to happen at Williams if they have another car wrecked in Japan if they have no backup chassis.
It’s not a pattern it was Bird!! He did not give Checo notice of Hulkenberg. Get’s penalized and now he has to pass the field and picks up crap from Alonso and that was the race. Checo had nothing to do with it. Give Liambiase to Checo on things will change.
Shouldn’t Hamilton be an NA as well then?
No, he was doing poorly before the engine poop and him only getting into q2 and not q3.
Are the Stakes pit crew looking for an overtime bonus?.... "we did over 6 seconds of work this GP so we want overtime"
The pit crew are doing nothing wrong. The team explained after Race 1 this season that they have issue with new pit equipment. They are working on getting fix for upcoming races.
I am torn. And i feel there is more to this. If we start giving out n/a ratings to drivers that dnf for technical problems, one could also argue for general problems that cant be controlled by the driver. Crashed into, weather, sc, pitstopp?
I tend to 7 or 8 for an insane quali, and just nothing more to account for in the race.
If we want a true driver performance rating, we need a team performance ranting as well.
You could then also argue, that red bull and stake both didnt perform good, but in a different way. Is red bull responsible for the blow up? Was it a bad disk? And so on...
Can we get team ratings as well please!!!?? I would love to see it
On Perez, you guys didn't rake into consideration the damage? Or is this channel like all the British media?? Even Horner and Helmut said the bad performance wasn't his fault.
go watch any rating video and majority of the time they shit on checo
Alonso's penalty was a disgrace. So sad that racing has turned into this.
Adding team ratings and maybe add team social media to the race memes and have a league to go with it.
I'm wondering if Sky F1 shows different live footage from F1 TV. It was very clearly shown with commentators pointing out that Zhou's front wing broke off with very normal kerb mounting but that was never mentioned by Matt or Tommy throughout the weekend.
Verstappen:
Quali 5/5 (1st, cant do better then that)
Race 3/5 (looked like another dominant race, but DNFd after 1 round, cant go more then 3/5)
Weekend 8/10
Why make exceptions for Max? Never did it before when someone dnf'd early...
This is just dumb?
@@paulpsv100 great argument dummy
You've rated drivers who've retired with mechanical failures early on before (such as Gasly at Saudi, who didn't even do a lap), I'd say either make Max an N/A (and retroactively give Gasly the same) or rate based off of qualifying (in which case its a 10)
Love the video guys thumbs up
Peter Sauber: "Pleasure doing business, smell you later"
Stake: "How did racing work, again?"
I love how everyone is throwing such a fit about these very important and influential driver ratings lol
Perez 5, FIVE!! He got a penalty then floor damage affecting downforce. Five is made. I’d say 7.
Who’s fault was all of that tho 😂
@@mollydabest Latifi
Max should be graded, he started the race just like George and especially lewis (car issue related). Otherwise de-grade them too.
I would like more information in the voting Google thing, maybe something like:
Logan Sargeant
Started: P20
Finished: P1
Just because I forget everyone’s performance if they didn’t finish 1-3
Max lead the Grand Prix with a brake stuck on from lights out, and would of won the race had the brake not fallen apart then blowing up, that alone warrants a 10
K-Mag "Can't give him a higher rating because he wouldn't have finished in the points if there weren't DNFs, sorry 7/10"
Yuki "He finished 7th what a drive 10 out of 10"
Not seeing the irony that had Max, Lewis and George not DNF'd Yuki wouldn't have scored any points. And just ignoring that Visa-Cash Ap-Racing Bulls is probably the 6th quickest car on the grid while the Haas is maybe the 8th. The bar has gotten very low for some drivers to get 10/10 and very high for other drivers to get an 8/10...
Don't be chicken...give a grade. He participated in the race he gets a grade even if it feels undeserved.
Grade practice, qualifying and the race based on racepace, sector times, max speed, overtaking, etc. All the different parameters that a driver can be scored on. Weight the different sessions; practice 1x, qually 2x and the race 3x. Then you can score based on data and importance. But maybe thats a bit too much. Have you thought about another channel.... More tech and telemetry into the mix would be awesome. But let's be honest here. We are watching for Matt and Tommy. Keep it up. A whole new generation is growing up with you guys! You are part of the new F1 succes story.
Came here for Perez slander. Didn't disappoint, way to blame him for bad luck and his teams mistake. In quali the team didn't tell him about hulk and in race he picked up damage that was 20 points worth (both as per the team) but why would P1 miss a chance to slander Perez
They either enjoy hating on North Americans or they cant read pass the headlines maybe they have allowed the short term fame get to them and know we talk crap on this person people will react but if we love this guy [a BRIT] everyone will love it.
N/A is the only reasonable thing to do for Max in this case. Cant judge him based on 5 laps, unless he actually was at fault for the car blowing up, and he wasnt.
they should /5 quali and /5 race, then count them up.
5/5 Quali 3/5 Race = 8 for Max
7 or 8 for Max maybe?
But they rated Lewis who also DNF, rules got to be consistent.
@@sadmanh0 I think Lewis also should get a N/A to be fair, not only Max.
@@Quiron1985Fair
Should the scores be split? 5 for Quali & 5 for the race?
My idea for grading - for the sake of discussion, give drivers a rating but put a asterisk (*) next to that grade and redact those grades from your average calculation at the end of the season. That way you're keeping discussion and opinions open for your show but keeps the grading fair.
I would say Max should get a 10/10. Like....he still got pole and lead for about 2 laps before the brake exploded. I would also like to say that Logan should get a 10/10 for taking one for the team.
So happy for Yuki finishing p7
Yuki’s turning into a little boss.
Maybe adding a rating for the race overall would be nice (from the spectators pov: was it exciting?)
Mclaren need to teach Sauber/Kick Stake how to do a fast pit stop 😂
Personally, I'd give Max a 10 because the he most likely would've won the race if his car didn't fail.He killed it in qualifying and nabbed the lead at the start even with a rear right brake that wasn't working then. When Max is on pole and has a good start, he usually ends building a gap, and winning pretty comfortably. Personally I don't see anything that suggests this wouldn't be the case if Max actually finished the race. BUT I get why people oppose giving him a 10 just for qualifying and the laps he was able to drive during the race. So that being said, I think a NA is fair.
not a chance he was beating the ferraris. they had the race pace.
I would give to Max a 10/10 for giving the chance to the others to win in Australia😂
This!
Worth mentioning that KMag would have finished ahead of Hulk had the first VSC not massively helped Hulk. Same goes for that VSC putting Alonso way ahead of Stroll.
But they didn’t finish in those positions, so it doesn’t matter
You forget that Hulk benefited massively from the early VSC, whilst K-Mag had just pitted for new tires, so the cars in front got much cheaper pit stops. Nico even said himself, that Kevin would have been ahead, if not for the VSC
Checo 5/10? Really? He didn’t make a mistake, his engineer told him way too late about the car behind. Also, the damage he had was a lot according to Horner himself. Considering all of that, he deserved the benefit of the doubt. An 8 would’ve been fair.
Nah to far of max in quali, his fault of blocking Niko and obviously struggling to overtake Russell fast enough
HES IN A REDBULL FFS
I'd have gone 6 tbh but 8 when he's losing to Ferraris and McLarens is too generous tbh.
@@Redlingstein yes he did, before you speak please learn the facts. He lost up to 30 points of DF which according to RedBull themselves, it meant the tyre degraded way faster and the floor didn’t generate enough downforce to keep the same pace. You didn’t even follow his race, you just look at the results.
@@ehrlichgesagt863 how is it his fault when the engineer didn’t tell him? Did you read the report? It states the engineer focused on the car ahead and not the car behind. You people just talk with zero facts. Go read the FIA report.
Max should get an N.A. for this race, anyone should if they are forced to retire early through something outside of their control.
I think if you are going to give max an N/A then you should apply the rule fairly across all those that DNF due to mechanical failure.
The one thing about Max was that even with his right rear brake engaged, he was still in DRS range of Carlos before he retired. I am saying it’s N/A just off the principal that he went all out and it was not his fault that his brake was stuck
I think the ratings should be judged like this, out of 5 for Quali and out of 5 for the race and then add them up to give the total rating or out of 10 for both and then add them up and divide it by 2 to give the average rating. That way if someone does great in quali but doesn't finish a race they're not completely punished. Or make both Quali and Race gradings completely separate but that's too much work especially considering, if you have moments like when Max and Lewis has started way down the grid and won a race, there's no way you can just give a 6 because the race was 5 and the quali was 1 when in fact that could arguably be a 10/10 drive.
Doesn't work. Imagine Max in Miami last year and how good that performance was. Now imagine you see quali and you see him fluff up his first lap and give him 1/5 and then 5/5 for the race. That would give him a 6/10 which is way off.
@@suckieduckie Yeah that's why at the end I said it may not work because we've seen Max and LH start from way down the grid and still make a comeback so the only way to make it work would be to make the quali and race ratings completely separate but then that would be too much of a change for a situation that is very rare where someone DNFs in a quali or race or has a poor quali but exceptional weekend
Max should get a 10 out of 10. The guy was leading while driving with the hand break on… plus he qualified first, beating the Ferraris and Perez
If we're doing N/As for a fourth lap DNF, but grades for a 17th lap DNF, on what lap number do we start assigning grades?
I think you guys should give the team a grade as a whole, sometimes strategy and other things keep drivers from doing well
Wao Daniel started 18th and finished 12th. He gets a 3 out of 10. Albon started 12th and finished 11th and got a 6 out of 10. Great grading guys.
You have to take into account what car they are in. Ricciardo was driving a car that his Twister qualified 8th and finished 7th in.
So, Yuki starts 8th, finishes 7th. 10/10
Daniel starts 18th, finishes 12th. 4/10
I guess what you're saying is, Qualy has a weight of about...75-80% on overall score, if not higher.
Yuki had a fine race. But to give him a 10/10 for gaining 1 place seems...wild.
Technically, he was passed by Fernando and Stroll, but was handed free spots by Max and Russell. So his net gain was 1 on his starting position despite being gifted 2 spots. Technically 3, since Fernando got the penalty.
Yuki made no mistakes and had a good qualy. That's worth a 7, maybe an 8.
Daniel had an atrocious qualifying, his fault for exceeding track limits. But then proceeded to climb to 12th, which means 3 places on merit, the other 3 from Russell, Lewis and Max. And he gets a 4.
I'm not here to apologize for Daniels mistake. The weighting of the different parts of the weekend vary wildly on this podcast and it's kinda ruining it for me lately. I'm a McLaren fan, so not some rabid Danny fan. I enjoy Danny.
Mate starting p19 with a redbull and finishing 10th would be better then starting p2 and finishing 1st. They have the SAME car. Ric left the track and qualified bad obviously its a bad performance then if the car was easily faster then both haas.
I get you. It's just that Red Bull will get rid off anybody who is not the next driver besides Verstappen and Perez was good lately.
Dude DanyRic only beat both Alpine (The worst car so far) and Stake drivers (The worst pitstops crew), VCARB is currently the gatekeeper for the top 10, Their Car should be around p9-p11 and so far DanyRic has not been able to get in that position even once
If you give an N/A to max you have to do the same for hamilton
No he was doing poorly before the engine problems and the fact he only got into q2.
Max is a tough one to score but I think a 7 is about right. Had he stayed in it would of been a interesting fight with Carlos but I think Carlos would of had him. Because the scores include the team as a whole you got to score it as RB dropped the ball and had a unreliable car. Being the car was ok on the 2 sighting laps before they gridded up because had it not been Max would of pulled in to the pits so they could look at it and started from the pits.