ACDelco PF63E Oil Filter Cut Open vs. ACDelco PF63 Oil Filter Cut Open
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- Опубликовано: 1 авг 2024
- Oil Filter Review.
Is this ACDelco PF63E version oil filter better than the older ACDelco PF63 version? Let's open them up and find out!
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This filter can be used in place of the shorter PF48. As long as you have the extra clearance underneath.
Thanks for Sharing that info👍
Important comment here: There is so much information going out about these filters, and the bypass valve regarding them. You'd get a LOT of views if you went out and bought the new PF63, PF63e, PF63F, and the UPF63R, and compared them, focusing on the bypass valves. Might be worth checking out.
Another great review! So nice of John to send you these filters! YaY to John!
Thank Ella,😊
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Never been a fan of the e core. But Ive changed my mine now. Thanks!
Nice of John to send the filters. Good review as usual. Merri :)
Yes, it was!
Thanks, Merri!😊
Thanks again Pete. 🇺🇸
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Thanks for the filters👍
I only want to use the E-core filters in my '21 5.3. They have the better flow with the nylon cage. They are stronger than the metal cages as well and won't rust. These new DFM engines need the better oil flow.
I like the 63E I use it in my 5.3 Silverado. Remember these engines have AFM/DFM depending on model and use a 0w/20 Oil flow is everything to these engines. Because of the end caps, I would not recommend running over 5000 miles on this filter. No matter what the oil life says in the dash.
Thanks for sharing👍
Yes. There's another channel where a Toyota tech said the issue with engines starting to use oil is due to following that 10k mile oil change interval. He recommends 5k miles and it is likely the oil usage problem won't show up.
I just cut open a PF 63 from my 18 Silverado and it had metal end caps. I had read Fram is now the supplier of some of the ACDELCO filters.
Great video as usual! That being said I bought a case(12) of the PF63's off Rockauto 3 months ago for like $33. The date code on them is 20213ES and I think they are GMs newest version of the PF63. They have 8 inlet holes, more threads but the filter tube is of the E-core variety like the PF63E has. Hopefully they don't have the felt end caps but I won't know until I use one and i just can't bring myself to cut open a new filter.
Look down the outlet hole with a flashlight, you may be able to see the white on the corners if it has the felt endcaps.
PF63E: the "E" stands for Champion Labs "E-Core" construction, i.e., nylon cage and felt endcaps.
Hey Whip!
Thanks as always for your info on these filters. I like the 63E baseplate but I don’t like the felt end caps! I have a Silverado 5.3 that uses the 0W20 oil and there is no way I’m using either one of these filters!! I’ll stick with the Boss filter!
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Stay safe as well!👍
Excellent and comprehensive teardown. Looks like the 63 had better build quality overall. The newer one may perform as good or better but shows some cost-cutting measures as well.
Thanks👍
Just picked up a PF 63 from O'Reilly. It is identical to the PF63e in this video.
Looks like they dropped the E . Thanks for Sharing. www.oreillyauto.com/detail/c/acdelco/acdelco-engine-oil-filter/acd0/pf63/v/a/143477/automotive-car-2018-chevrolet-impala?q=oil+filter&pos=8
I use Champ filters, and the E model shown is identical to the Champ filters I've cut open. Never had one fail.
Thanks for sharing!
I just put in the PF63E last night around 10:30 pm - so glad to know what's in it! Awesome vid. I like that it looks like the flow will be good - I wonder what the micron rating is that kicks in the overflow bypass? I am skeptical those overflow bypass work. I heard on Champion filters - that is the actual manufacturer I guess - they kick in the overflow bypass at a low micron level. Something about that - or maybe it was low PSI level.
These ACDelco oil filters are Champ made.
You should be okay,
those bypass valves are used on a lot of other filters also.
The New ACDelco filters are made by Champion Labs Now which make a LOT of Different Brand Filters including Walmart Super Tech Filters .
The E is for Ecology...they started minimizing the metal components used inside. I saw in some publication the reason was to make recycling of the internals easier.
Is that what the autoparts store means when their plaque on the wall says "Living Green"? haha
The newer eCore isn't anything worth writing home about!. $9.99 ??? Personally I'd be happier with 2 Super Techs for that price. And those "Pro Tecs" you've shown us, blow it away for far far less...Just My Humble Opinion 😉 Another great reveal, Mr. WHIP!!! THANX ALOT!
Your Welcome!👍
Been running these since 2015 when I first got my newer Chevy impala. My 2019 silverado takes the same filter been using it since I bought the truck new. My older Silverado takes the pf46e. I run them all to 5,000 miles sometimes more. Never have had one issue arise from these ecores and felt end caps. If that’s not real works testing idk what is. Run them they are fine!
Thanks for Sharing👍
I remember the Delco filters in the parts stores were different than ones sold at dealerships.
I wouldn't know I never bought any form the dealership. Thanks for Sharing!👍
According to AC Delco the new E core is made of glass filled nylon which, according to them, is 1.5 times stronger, cheaper, and lighter than traditional metal core material. And provides better oil flow. Their engineers probably spent years figuring all that out.
Yep,
They state that on their website.
www.acdelco.com/parts/filters/gold-oil-filters
Thanks for the feedback👍
Yo, Shooter ! Thank you muchly !
That's the first time I heard that the polymer core is actually made from "Glass-Filled Nylon".
EVERY "Filter Tester Dude" has said they were made of "nylon", but NONE have mentioned "glass-filled nylon", which is MUCH stronger, due to the added rigidity of the glass fibers in the molded nylon.
Fun Fact : "NYLON" is a registered trademark of the DuPont Corporation.
The term denotes a type of polyamide.
@@WhipCityWrencher Yo, Whip !! Thanks for that link !!
I went there to see about the "glass-filled nylon", but found only "nylon".
The BIG surprises were the dismal 30-micron rating and the RUBBER ADBV.
And FINALLY, we see the flaws of the metal end caps exposed, with the fiber (it's NOT "cardboard") end caps showing superior sealing power over the metal end caps.
They told us years ago, that the metal end caps did NOT SEAL as well as the fiber end caps -- but folks just decided that the "cardboard" was no good, and that was that.
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Early on when I started watching your filter tear downs, I was amazed at how small of space there is between the media and the outer can. Seems like the felt ends would allow more oil flow down into the media from the inlets than the metal cap would. This tear down is interesting because I have a new AC Delco filter that is going on about 5 years old now that is of the newer Champ built style so I am wondering just how old the old one really is. I don't know how to read date codes! ha ha I think I would just go get the Walmart equivalent and save a few bucks + gain a silicon drain back valve
I could be wrong but I think the older one in this video is the 260th day of 2014.
Try this method on the filter date code that you have. Take the first 2 numbers and that's your year, then the other 3 numbers would be the day. See if that seems like it would be about right.
@@WhipCityWrencher If that is the case, then my PF1218 is made in 2013. The first 2 digits are 13. So either I have had it longer than I thought, or it was a couple years old already when I bought it.
@@WaybackTECH Could be, I've bought new filters that were 3-4 years old quite a few times.
So, the E ecore shown is not the latest ecore design. Looks like it was made Jan/2020. The current design uses metal endcaps with the ecore, "nylon/plastic" cage (WCW has done yt(s) on them). ACDelco for GM never used a combo valve. Always separate bypass as seen this vid. The "Professional" is the older "classic" metal ACD design. If I'm reading date code right, made 260th day 2014. I don't believe Champ Labs is making that design for ACD anymore. I'd take the Pro here, but if compared to new ecore, I'd go with either one. Thanks for vid.
good to know that they switched to metal endcamps instead of the felt!
The area near the thread that is open doesn't look very strong? on the pf63e
Hey Whip, have you ever seen a GPM flow rate on similar filters with a steel hole core/louvers/plastic core? Recently Allison OE spin on transmission filters went from holes to louvers. I called Allison and they said they are 15 Micron and there is virtually no difference in flow rate.
I have used both and could never tell a difference in shifting hot or cold temps. So I think the flow restriction is more in the media than core style.
Not too many give out a GPM so I never really pay attention to it but I'll try and remember to include it in when I see it.
Thanks for asking👍
Interesting video. Informative as always. Love your videos. Why would anybody buy these filters from O'reilly when Rock Auto is so much less expensive? Oil changes are something one can definitely plan for well in advance.
Because rock auto delivery charges are usually very high. Usually a wash
@@pryme2013 - It's usually cheaper if you buy quantity instead of just a couple.
Good show and comparison. I would use neither. Better filters available.
Thanks 👍
If I remember correctly another big difference is the bypass psi,the 63e is 22psi and the older 63 is 11psi. And to make things even more confusing there is a newer 63 with a different part number that is 22psi
I didn't know that, thanks for sharing👍
that's what I was wondering - the bypass psi.
I remember when they first came out with the "E-core" design I refused to buy one. But after doing more research it's clear it has better oil flow. I still don't like the felt end caps but everything else is a win. I admit the holes are really small in the old design. My son works at a GM dealer and that's all they use is AC Delco and has never had a problem. Thanks whip for this comparison 👍👍👍
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The early E-Core design from Champion had very large gaps in the nylon center tube and there were documented cases of the filter media blowing through those gaps in a pressure surge. I'm glad to see on the newer ones they have gone to metal endcaps and more support for the filter media with narrower gaps in the center tube.
I'll take the old school Delco ,just because of those stupid felt endcaps in the newer E core Delco, speaking about old Delco ,I got to send you a even older Delco from the 80's or early 90's & a European Delco
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When I see the new "E" version I see a filter that was cheaped out on in almost every way. It has the felt endcaps that people hate and it has the weakest plastic core that is also hated by alot of people. And neither have a silicone anti drain back valve! So in my opinion the new version stinks and the old version is better. They cheaped out in almost every way possible on the new version. The new "E" version reminds me of a Fram orange can but worse since it has a plastic core.
i like the heavy duty construction of the Old Style better..The New Style seems to be a better flow design..
Consider getting a UPF63 the Gold Ac Delco $20 filter. Be interesting
Here's a used one I opened up.
ruclips.net/video/Ony6IM6vORE/видео.html&ab_channel=WhipCityWrencher
I used to only use ACDelco cuz well the oil filter is literally my dad's initials and birth year and I'm a GM guy and he passed away and he was a mechanic so I just thought it was cool that it was his initials and birth year but until I seen the inside of one then I was like yeah I can't run those anymore
Owners manual calls for this filter for 2023 Duramax. 20-22 Duramax calls for PF26 and now with the TEC update this filter as well. Have you cut open a PF26 for comparison?
Sorry,
No, I haven't yet.
The E Core looks like it was made by fram cheap looking to me the felt end caps and end cap with the bypass is just pushed in and nylon core give me the steel core it gives the filter more strength and is sealed off better.
Personally, I dont have a problem with the nylon cage, but I dont care for felt (synthetic) end caps. Thanks for your feedback👍
Great video. Have you done a Acdelco PF24?
If not , please do. Thanks.
Thank You!
No, I haven't opened up an ACDelco PF24, but as far as I know, they stopped making that oil filter.
Yes..sadly. Would have been nice to compare to Wix 51258.
He should probably be using a UPF63R on his 2018 impala
Pulling busted stuff apart is not a waste of time, you can learn a lot and its quality control post factory.
I would go with the old filter because what is going to happen to that plastic in the heat that engine is going get.
Now the PF63 replaced the PF63E. The new PF63 has metal end caps and a more robust sealing gasket O ring.
I have to open up one of the new PF63s. You can tell by the base plate inlet holes that the PF63 in this video was an older filter.
How do I send you filters? Also is there a list of filters you've already done so I don't send repeat filters?
Email me and let me know what you want to send to, Poker4me007@gmail.com
The 63E, e-core, is an improvement. Larger and more inlet holes and the nylon cage flows better as well.
Maybe but those felt end caps are junk. Look at the fuzz on them just waiting to come off.
@@mooseman3136 Felt end caps have been used for many years with no problems. Fram, Wix, AC and several OEM (Asian) filters have used, and use them. Notice that those with the sloppiest glue are metal end cap filters.
I would think that the hot oil would melt the plastic inside the PF63E filter.
I've never heard of that happening.
Most OE filters are 5K max filters with usually not all that great filtering numbers at a higher OE Cost as well.. Think Fram Orange performance. Do your research.
I really dont pay attention to how long a filter is rated for because I would drive that many miles on a single OCI.
Any idea what the temperature rating is on that plastic core?
Sorry, I dont know, but maybe someone else will. I'll pin your question so it sits on top.
They are made of Nylon PA6, which is about 250 degrees Celsius (480 F) unless they use the enhanced version which is about 20-30C higher (~512 F). Engine oil typically runs between 90-100C (~190-210 F)
@@OfficialNakatsuMegamiso the engine will be blown before that plastic fails
@@OfficialNakatsuMegamiCorvettes on a track can get the oil up around 400.
Walmart has these for $5 way cheaper than the parts stores.
Felt end caps are a deal breaker. Looks like a cheap fram.
Definitely.
Some filters filters don't even have endcaps. In a spin on filter, they're just used to maintain pleat spacing. Irrelevant to quality of filtration
Fear of felt end cap is unfounded.
Both of those filters have been on my "use only in a pinch list".
The plastic cage doesn't bother me. I agree the metal center tube in small in comparison to other filters.
The felt end caps I don't have a problem running for 3k, but if pushing the change interval to 7 or 10k or longer than six months. Next.
That spring is suspect to me and will it bend if the pressure rises in the filter.
Unless this fikter is only going to be used for 3-5K and less than six months. There are much better filters out there.
So what's a better filter
@@robertskwiot7307 Fram Ultra, Napa Platinum, Mobil etc... Delco are only for show for myself for 84 Hurst/Olds.
👌👍👍👍 Very "apples to apples" comparison! I agree with you on the final thoughts on choice.
However, and I pointed this out once before, the width measurement in my opinion you are doing wrong between the felt vs steel end caps. You should not account for the rolled over steel caps and measure right to the bottom of the end cap plate where the media actually is glued to. Suggestion is to take/cut off a section of each end roll over to expose the flat plate. By doing this, you will also see that the glue does not fill the total end cap and rolled over portion. This would also give in my opinion and "apples to apples" square inch surface area.
For example: Look at the active filter media still in the steel end caps @ 12:30
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In most cases, the glue fills at least half of the rim so either way, you can not get a perfect measurement.
Regardless of quality no filter screws onto my small block better I don't care what you say for when it comes to screwing onto The block it's smooth as butter I know it's kind of irrelevant but its nice
yeah the STP extended filter supposedly fit according to the autoparts store but it did NOT fit for sure. The AC Delco went in easy peasy!! thanks
PF63E has been discontinued by GM
They probably have. This video is a year old. Thanks👍
I am sure the main #1 reason they changed the filter design is because it costs less to make.
That’s the answer to everything. The Hiflow is better on the new ones. I would not use these more than 4K but in a pinch it’s probably the best one. Go with napa platinum.
If it's good enough for GM dealers, it's good enough for me.
Bought a case of PF48e for my Sierra and love them
The 48s are half the height. Use the taller filter. Especially for a truck.
Do You really trust GM?
They built it. I trust them.
I think there is a reason for the smaller filter on older trucks. Mine has the 5.3 vortec. Maybe low volume oil pump versus the AFM high volume pump
@@lopincol I actually run this filter on the old style LS engine 1999-2006(4.8 engine) and it works great with no issues.
OMG, & i thought ONLY fram used wut i call "scrim" end caps... VERY disappointed 2 see that, not good IMO... micron rating iz NOT very good, seen a lot better... never use "scrim" end filter, never... hav a crate motor w/ac delco PF454 / 253224052 in my '73 vette still w/break-in AMSOIL in it... wonder if it has "scrim" ended filter that came w/it...
Less glue on the paper my best option
I hate those paper and caps
The 63E looks like the cheap Supertech filter from Walmart.
Champ made just like the Supertech
The old version is quite a lot better quality. The new one is nothing but Champion laboratories junk. Not sure about the older version.
Way overpriced for a basic filter.
It is, but if things keep going the way they're going I see the prices going a little higher before they start going lower.😞.(I hope I'm wrong)
Thanks for the feedback👍
Who is the mild mannered John Perrotta that keeps on sending filters? Hmmmmmm
He must be an industry insider! Or a nerd 🤓 - nope a nerd!
LOL, I reckon we’re all nerds here😆
I'm just a viewer who loves my car. It's a hobby. A cheap Hobby. Only 2 more videos from me.
If he's a nerd then I must be a super nerd, lol
It’s funny they did away from the 63e and went back to a redesigned 63
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