well i would take the ac one more filtration because of the lack of metal plates and changed on a every year basis result better engine life so lets see some trials done on filters after say 10000 miles with flow rates before use and after then cut open checks
Great Idea!👍👍 I dont use this filter but if anyone else does and wants to send me a used one I'll make a video out of it and see how it did. I'll pin this comment so it sits up Top.
@@dealy9268 I have gone 35 thousand miles 5 times before changing my full synthetic oil and it was still barley Brown not bad oils and filters can do it these days compared to 3000 mile oil changes from the 60s and I did that on a 25 year old 4runner
@@dealy9268 I been a auto Tech For 40 year if you were going to say you do you then you canceled out your own point ... I did it for testing and when the oil looks dang near brand new after 35 thousand miles that is impressive oil and I see how I wrote it kinda sounded like I was saying 35 thousand 5 times before I did a oil change and that is not what I ment I drove 35thousand miles then did a oil change and I did that 5 different times for testing with 5 different oil changes to test the consistency of the oil brand I was using
My dad was a tool maker for Campbell filter in Dexter Mo. They made oil filters. There was like 15-17 brands of oil filters. Everyone was made on the same line using the same materials. The difference came when separated at the paint line, some were orange, white and many other colors. There are very few companies that make there own filters and that are different.
This is true, but even though the same company makes them, there are variants, bigger inlet holes, more pleats, holes, louvers, plastic cages, etc...These filters might be made by the same company, and may even use the same filter media at times, but if you watch my videos you'll see that the insides are different. This is what I try to show. You can decide which filter you want to use. Thanks for sharing
@@WhipCityWrencher if 15 of them come off the same line and only separation is paint then how do they differ? And do you think wal mart has a filter factory and advance and autozone have their own filter factorys? Lol there all the same and you can not tell a good filter from a bad one unless you test them both after being in service! But I guess you guys don't want to get your hands dirty
@@dodgeramsport01 Please name me a filter that is the same for a Walmart Supertech oil filter, an Advance Auto oil filter, and an Autozone oil filter. I'll pick up all 3, cut them open, and see if they are all the same.
I am a retired mechanic and I also spent 17 years in a GM parts department,AC Delco oil filters years ago were the best, but just like everything they made them cheaper,no big surprise.
The SuperTech is a damn nice filter. Metal end caps, silicone anti-drain back, lots of big return holes, high-flowing nylon cage, and plenty of filtration media. Best in its price range.
Super t. Because I change my oil early. Usually by color. So saving the money on an oil change works for me. At the rate I change my oil both should have life left.
I love these video's. I'm glad that your taking apart oil filters. It gives us a good review and look on how these filters are built plus it keeps the filter company's on their toes.
Thanks for another inside look into filters. Media composition and filtration rates aside, which are sometimes impossible to obtain from the manufacturers or difficult to obtain on your own without costly apparatus, your videos furnish viewers with info they would not have unless they wasted money opening the unused filters that you open. Keep it up. I appreciate it!
Went to Walmart yesterday and got a super tech oil filter and super tech 5w20 full synthetic. First time using this brand since I heard many good things about it
Supertech full synthetic oil and filters are great! Just don't fall for the "advanced" 20,000 mile oil marketing trick. Why would you go 20,000 miles without changing the oil? Even 10,000 is pushing it!
I think you could safely wager a large amount that those filters came from the same factory. When you calculated the area of the filter media you left off the part of the walmart filter that was cut off with the end caps. Include that and will have as much or more area than the Delco. Oil can still penetrate that part of the media and go around the flange on the metal cap.
you should have compared the Standard Super Tech 10K ST series filter the White One and not the MP Series which is there 20K filter to the standard PF48E
I use the exact same filter size 10060 in SuperTech form. I knew from my own observation that AC DELCO makes Supertech. I have been using Supertech a long time now, as with my experience with AC Delco I have been satified with their performance. I will likely continue using SuperTech long into the future until they change things up again.
Great review. When comparing filters the 3 most critical measures are the micron rating (how small of particles it will filter out), It's BETA rating (how efficient the filter is at removing these particles), and the last measure is how much of these contaminants the filter material can hold in grams. In general if one uses a good synthetic oil with a good filter you can easily follow the engine manufacturer's criteria for oil change intervals. If you are changing your oil at 3000 miles you are probably throwing away good oil.
13:20 If you change your oil as often as directed in your owners manual, I doubt those metal end caps will play much of a role. On the other hand 2 dollars more is hardly a deal breaker when it comes to protecting your engine oil from contaminants. Nice video. Cheers!
Good morning. Excellent video and camera work. I have used both and both are excellent and I like they are USA made. Thanks again for this video. Keep them coming my friend. 😎☕☕
First THANK YOU for your complete breakdown on what is inside these two filters. I have a 2005 Envoy 4.2 inline 6 and its time to change the oil. As a side note I have used Castrol all synthetic Extended high mileage last two oil changes with the oil changed at 8,500 mile mark both times and this time its right at 8,000 , no use of oil, runs great and when I switched to this Castrol you could feel how the engine ran smoother and increased mpg slightly. Rolling at 183k miles. Hope this info helps other folks. Subscribed
My 06 Fusion with the Mazda 2.3L engine uses one of those canister filters with just the media to replace. Shockingly those cost as much or more than a traditional oil filter. Making out good there I think. The cap comes off and has an inner nylon cage like these use. It seemed to me that was a huge improvement for oil flow, and I am glad to see that being implemented in oil filters. Having said that, I am going to start buying Supertech filters again. I used them years ago when they cost $2. I still have one from about 10 years ago. I will have to cut it open and see what they were like back then compared to now.
Yep, They must make more $ on the cartridge oil filters, not much to them. But very easy for us, the customer to compare. I dont know if you saw this video I made on 3 cartridge oil filters a while back. It's a bit of an eye-opener on the price we pay for filter boxes lol. Thanks for the feedback 👍ruclips.net/video/ssoVdPufOj4/видео.html&ab_channel=WhipCityWrencher
I have a 2006 Fusion that uses a cannister, it is odd that you don't get a price break. You have to be careful with the o-ring, one time I didn't install the large o-ring quite right and I had a leak. Luckily I caught the leak while test running the car on the ramp. I have been charging my own oil and filters for about 45 years, and that was the first leak I've ever experienced.
The Ford Focus with the 2.3L Mazda engine came with a spin on filter, the FL-910. You can purchase the oil filter housing for the Focus and it bolts right on to your Mazda. They after that you can use the spin on filter. Word of caution: use the correct torque spec for the bolts because the housing is aluminum and it's very easy to crack the case.
I've used AC Delco filters from Rock Auto (along with other brands) on my GM van and never had issues but I'll use Wix or Superteck from now on. Thanks for the informative video
Bought my 2016 Silverado, & started using Mobile 1 syn / factory specs, as GM runs Mobile fluids. I buy 6 AC/Delco filters, at a time from Rock Auto, at about $1.75 ea. My warranty has passed, but I'm sticking with this, just in case I ever have an engine problem.
I enjoy watching your videos and others they bring me up when I am having a rough day and not making any money in my side business of changing oil on my days off from work.
Thank You! Glad you like the videos. Way to go with oil changing, 👍I'm sure you do a way better job than those quickly lubes. Believe me, I know, if you do a good job they'll be calling you to do other things as well. Have a Happy New Year!
I would take super tech they’re so much cheaper and the metal end caps are boss, along with the silicone , should prove better under a wider range of conditions. Thanks for opening them up !
@@WhipCityWrencher I was just at Wal Mart this afternoon looking at both of these filters. The SuperTech MP series filters run about $3 less than the comparable AC Delco. I have even used the SuperTech filters on my niece’s ‘15 Chevy Malibu, and took an AC Delco off of it. For my money, SuperTech for the win!
Good Video I Us AC Dalco and WIx for my oil filters and Air I like The Wix and Cabin Filter the AC Delco are the best they are the heaviest and have the best fit in our 2007 Chevy HHR with a 2.2 later 4 Cyl a n d of course it doesn't have a fuel filter is built into the Fuel pump and don't have a external Fuel Filter Just saying good Video.
The comments about splitting hairs and "good enough" for street and the price concerns reminded me to remind everyone here that the engineers and us are asking a hell of lot out of all these tiny displacement, direct injection, turbo and twin turbo engines. The tolerances on these things are very tight. No room for error. As I replied to a earlier post, I watched a Fram collapse on first start up. Fresh race motor on a stand that allowed me to see it crush like cheap beer can. Been doing street and race motors over 45 yr. and I'll tell you these tiny boosted motors are on the edge just like racing motors. Just keep that in mind when choosing your next filter.
Yo, UncleLarry !! You say that you "watched a Fram collapse on first start-up" -- which makes NO sense, because the oil filter is under PRESSURE, and it will BURST long before it could ever "collapse", or "crush like a cheap beer can". It's common practice for engine buliders to blame their mistakes on unrelated parts -- and the much-maligned FRAM oil filters are an easy target.
@@SlikLizrd Howdy Chuck; Beats me why it didn't swell instead of shrinking. Saw it with my own eyes though. No cannabis involved. I did ask around. Only explanation that made half sense was combination of high volume Melling pump and stuck bypass valve. Naturally I primed system first and had oil from all push rods and pumped up lifters. Maybe you can come with something.That was 20 some years ago and have not seen that since. I only used Frams for cam break-in because they were cheap. Not anymore. Hasting, Purolator, Wix or NAPPA for me. Race or street.
I use the AC delcos on all 3 of my gm vehicles and OEM on everything else. I learned my lesson about 10 years ago when the guy at napa gave me the wrong filter for my zero turn that had a kohler engine on it. Filter screwed on but caused oil starvation issues and about mid summer the engine went. It was under warranty but not after they seen it was the aftermarket filter that caused the issue. I use OEM not because they are vastly superior but just so i can say hey GM,Kohler whoever your approved OEM filter caused this issue not something I done and that is something that will stand up in court, Thats how I look at it anyway
@@mecalpsha4473 There comes a time when OEM no longer makes the product and you have to settle. Many sell using the term OE and to me that is false advertising. If they claimed OE specs, just like this video shows specs are different, so that too would be false. If they some things were made to OE specs, say water pump as an example, the warranty would/should be much more than what any of the after market offer, as we all know things give out years after purchasing a brand new car. At least in most cases.
I'm with ya ,,, OEM regardless of where it's made , although it pisses me off when I get a GM part that's made in Mexico . My two Yellow Top batteries that I just bought used to be made in the USA ,,, And now made in Mexico ,,,, And with that said we'll see how long they last in Florida with our Heat
Fram n Full Synthetic Oil, filter every 3K, Oil every 10K..no problems..200 to 300 miles a day 6 days a week 2.5L 2011 Ford Mazda Engine 350K and still going...
Can't understand why everybody is all Bent Over oil filters with felt end caps I have Never seen one destroy a Engine ONLY THING i seen that Destroyed a engine is NOT Changing The OIL NOT the OIL Filter Failing .
A very well-done comparison. I've been watching these filter comparisons for years as a DIY homeowner with several cars over the years. Been changing oil for over 40 years now myself. I've said several times that I buy whatever is on sale and it's the frequency of oil changes NOT necessarily the type of oil filter. I've used Fram, Supertech, and all the brand names. Years ago we used to change the oil every 3,000 miles. Now I do it between 6-8,000 with synthetic oil or whatever is on sale (even Supertech synthetic). Funny you use an AC PF48 filter. That's the same one on my 2013 C6 Corvette.
Same here, I have always used either Fram or what ever is on sale. I have never had an engine failure. People make way too much about different brands... As you get older you learn to look past the sales BS and use what works. I used Pennsoil for years until it caused the lifters to sludge up in my 1999 2500 6.0 Sierra. I changer over to full synthetic Supper Tech 0-20 and over time the ticking has gone away.
@@ThunderAppeal Won't make a difference if you drive like Richard Petty or a little old lady. Oil filters simply keep out the chunky stuff. They have a bypass valve that opens if the oil pressure gets too high, then you simply bypass the filter. Filter media is rated by micron filtering capability. If you have a tight intake system with a decent air filter, there is not much dust to get into the oil. If you drive like hell and something lets go in the engine no oil filter will help that situation. Engines run better if they are loose than super tight.
Surprisingly the Super Tech is a better made filtet in my opinion. Both very similar in their design. But the Super Tech has better materials and construction. Good show.
Super tech may look nicer and appear as such ! But when you figure it took all that glue to glue metal caps on and then you lose length do to end caps on top of extra pleats does it restrict oil flow ! If go ac all day !
Whatever is cheapest if you're not drag racin' your car or sup'm. These things get changed out ever few months, so you should never have an issue if you do half decent maintenance.
I use anything but a Fram. Supertech is my most often used. Since Walmart in my area doesn't stock a good variety of filters I often order Wix since they are cheap on Amazon.
Both filters seem like excellent choices. I usually go with a factory filter if I can. However I do not use fram oil filters any longer. Above all, just change oil at regular intervals, and use oil recommended by the manufactures.
@@ramonlepana4360 You are wrong. Been doing race engines for over 45 years. One step below crap. Watched a Fram collapse on a fresh engine on a stand during cam break-in. Looked like crushed beer can.
Super Tech It’s the one I always grab for my Wife’s 2007 RAV4 V6, 171K and the Super Tech high mileage 5W30 synthetic oil, change it every 5K. Oil is still clean when I change it! 👍 Liked and subscribed, Dave.
My problem with oil filters from most manufacturers today is they keep getting smaller, which seems like it would reduce the filtering capacity. Some filters are so tiny they look like they would be useless after a certain amount of time, depending on the driving conditions. Wix seems to be a little better in this regard, but I still like to try to find the largest filter I can find to fit my car's engine, even if it means using a big block Chevy filter on the small block engine in my car because it's usually larger.
I added a remote oil filter manifold that does 3 things.1) Slightly increases oil capacity with two filters. 2) can mount the manifold away from the heat of the engine. 3) double filters the oil, if you go with that option.
MobileOne filters usually are bigger in capacity for every vehicle just letting u know. But u can also do cross references because I ran into two different recommendations for different part numbers for the same motor just for different year models. So check around and make sure u know how much room u have and that way u don't have any clearance problems. WIX makes O'REILLY and NAPA oil filters and they are a better filter just letting u know. The company that makes K&N also makes the Supertech filters FYI. Always remember the name and/or price does not make the better or lesser filter so do ur research.
I had a car with a cartridge filter, had to change the filter every 5k as it would start to crush in, but ran the oil a lot longer to what the oil manufacture indicated.
Having just talked to a couple of oil industry chemists, they have spent decades developing additive packages and formulating base oils to last 20k miles. They have spent millions of dollars in development and millions more testing the oil in actual vehicles. Testing the oils constantly through 20k miles. Cutting open engines. Running engines until they finally fail. When they say the oil is good for 20k, it's better than good for 20k miles.
@@donwyoming1936 The problem lies in the fact that the oil manufacturers can’t test every engine in production. Due to poorly designed PCV systems some engines will sludge regardless of the quality of the engine oil. I’ve seen certain models that have sludged up running synthetic oil at 5000 mile intervals because of poor design and no long drain oil can over that. Saying an oil can run X number of miles guaranteed is a blanket statement that doesn’t apply to every engine. After 30 years in the automotive industry I’ve seen my share of engines that customers sludged up because the design of the engine simply wasn’t conducive to long oil drain intervals.
@@prevost8686Absolutely. I learned that lesson first hand. You got to do your best to research the vehicle and engine your buying. I stay away from certain manufacturers. Though every brand has good designs and bad designs,
I’m not exclusive with a particular oil filter brand. I bought every Castrol oil filter Menard’s had when they were clearing them out for my 2006 GMC Sierra. 160k miles and it still runs like new. I use Purolator filters in my 2016 VW Jetta daily driver that I get on sale from Farm and Fleet. I’ll probably start buying more from Rockauto and they don’t sell either brand so I may switch again, probably Wix for both cars.
Both filters are made by Champ Labs. The AC here is more comparable to the regular SuperTech($3). the media in the ST is thicker making it a notch above the AC.
Where I'm at in Southern California, wal mart doesn't carry super tech oil filters, but started carrying the ac Delco brand, however they still have some super tech brand oil in stock!
I honestly wouldn't feel bad using the AC Delco filter. That core looks just like a Mahle oil filter, save the reinforcement in the center. Changed every 5k miles, I never had a problem with them just like we haven't had a problem, with those ACD's. As far as I'm concerned, these are two good filters for a lot of people's needs. Not the best, not the worst, but very good for a large group.
I would choose the ACDelco just on a better reputation alone and i have had good luck with them but would not stray away from the Supertech as I have seen a lot of good reviews on them and do like the metal end caps, just sometimes when I go to use it I'm a little concerned because it is a Walmart supertech...
@@jeffhodge124 I've used them too but was a bit hesitant to put one on my 50 thousand dollar truck. Just felt like I was being cheap in an area I shouldn't be.
@@topJimmyP1984 WHEN IN DOUBT DOING A LITTLE RESEARCH/HOMEWORK MOST LIKELY WILL PAY OFF. ALSO THE VEHICLES OWNERS MANUAL CON TAINS VERY HELPFUL NAINTENANCE SCHEDULE. BEST, C4/LS ENGINES.
I didn't say it was cheaper, I just said that I bought mine at RockAuto. I buy a few filters at a time to offset the shipping cost when I get them at RockAuto. If your buying just one filter and you have an AutoZone where you live then your better off going to AutoZone. $9.99 at AutoZone www.autozone.com/filters-and-pcv/oil-filter/p/acdelco-oil-filter-pf48/938574_0_0
The filter sold under the AC/Delco brand is a Purolator filter that's what 'PF' stands for in the 'PF48E' product number, the Walmart brand filter is made by Champion Laboratories. I use Walmart brand oil and filters and have been having very good luck...
My bros car 04 matrix ie Corolla 285 K still gets the Estimated mileage 30 Highway. 26 city. I'd use a better filter. Jus sayin. It's worth it. That's a great little motor..I was unaware that the matrix is a Corolla. I'm impressed by that little car. I'd love a old Crx or insight, but there way more $$$$$ than there worth to me. My bro asked me to go thru the matrix. & Bailed. I drove it a cpl days, & did all the maintenance. He has a small ps leak from the lower hose at the reservoir. So called mechanics couldn't find it. It left a heloifa mess. after going thru the motor, & changing out the trans fluid.( Do it" it has a drain plug. 3 Qts of T IV ) I am impressed with the car...He drives Uber, & said he has had over 6000 trips, with approx 10K customers in that car. But wanted to sell it. He was done. He sold it to me for the junkyard quote. I love this little car! Yeah the doors aren't heavy like a Lincoln mark viii, But it's just as reliable. I've owned over 309 Cars & trucks, I love finding a model I've never had, & making em go, like they should. I enjoy helping many keep there cars in top condition. Yes I loved my 91 SR5 V6 Xtra cab 4x4 on the fly,. But with gas here at $6 a gal. I don't miss that. P.s. the kyb front struts are Nice. Remember Americans don't buydung 💩 We knew years ago, these people were corrupt as hell, & now they're proving it, to the 🌎. 🙏💕💪✌️🏜️
@@WhipCityWrencher Thanks for your reply! I don't know if you've watched "Project Farm", but that gentleman "walks the extra mile" when testing all kinds of stuff, old buddy and, when he tested oil filters, Purolator was the winner, hands down. BTW, Pennzoil finished 2nd. after Amsoil (which is way too expensive, so I went with Pennzoil.) Greetings from Puerto Rico, my friend, KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK!
Can’t believe how much better the super tech is. Can’t be beat for the price. I use fram ultra or purolator boss, but I’m going to use the super tech to do a marvel mystery flush. Now I’m confident using it. Thanks whip!
I've long since gone to 3k OCI on my 100k+ vehicles so either filter would be fine. My personal preference is WIX but I'd not hesitate to use the ST filter. Whatever filter you use, ALWAYS check the threads. Good filters have well defined deep cut threads, cheapies have marginal rolled threads. Almost lost a fresh engine rebuild using a cheap store filter just for the break-in. A few seconds after startup the filter blew off, no excessive oil pressure. Shut it down in time. Exam found the threads in the filter were barely there. ST oil holds up quite well too. Lots oil analysis out there on it.
WIX makes O'REILLY and NAPA filters so they are all good filters to buy. The company that makes K&N oil filters also makes Supertech filters which most people don't know.
@@txplumcrazy I've been in the habit of buying OE filters for my cars, because worrying about filter quality is annoying. At least SuperTech a cutaway picture on the box, in the case of one of my cars they only offer felt caps.
Suggestion: Go the extra mile & try them in real-life conditions--running them in a vehicle (like Project Farm does!) Also, what happened to the microscope, bro'?!
I’m not convinced the comparison revealed which one was superior to the other. Besides, the brands could change the composition depending on the application. I’ve read lots of bad stuff about the cheap oil filters, such as oil drainback valves deteriorating at the 3K mile mark, resulting in dry starts which is even more important to avoid these days with the automatic start/stop technology. For my vehicles, I switched from Mobil 1 extended performance oil filters to a Fram Ultra oil filter because many sites said it’s better, and I found they’re cheaper as well but knowing how bad Fram filters are, I had a difficult time making the change. I also switched from SuperTech full synthetic to Mobil 1 extended performance full synthetic oil because it didn’t cost much more and the 20K mileage protection claim made it seem to be the superior choice and matched the 20K claims of the filters, but I’ll stick with my 5K mile oil changes (more frequently if I visited dusty areas, dirt roads, or sandy areas) and I’ll continue ignoring any time factors since I’d never wait the year maximum anyway. Since I assume this video was created to help people make prudent choices, I’ll contribute a PSA: Never use dinosaur oil or even synthetic blends, especially on direct fuel injection engines…which the vast majority are these days, because the PCV sends oil vapors past the intake valves and instead of being washed away by the fuel passing over ‘em on port injection vehicles, the oily vapor just collects, layer after layer, in the valve chamber, onto the stems and that oil bakes into hard carbon that’ll eventually break into chunks, possibly causing leaky valves, compression loss, and perhaps shortening the life of the engine. Often a telltale sign is an engine miss at idle, which can shorten the life of the catalytic converter, possibly obstructing the exhaust. Direct fuel injection could be planned obsolescence but I believe that could be avoided by simply using full synthetic oil. Sure it costs more to change the oil but think of all the costly problems that could be avoided. I’ve read that some vehicle manufacturers use a combination of port injection along with direct injection to address the issue so do your own research. I sure hope this doesn’t get marked as spam but I see nothing wrong with helping people.
@@donaldsmith4480 I suppose the PCV oil deposit issues may not apply to multiport since some automakers were smart enough to understand fuel passing over the intake valves helps keep ‘em clean. But I’ve seen baked-on deposits and sludge inside engines even prior to direct injection coming out that used dinosaur oil, especially if not changed frequently enough. Full synthetic doesn’t bake-on and doesn’t sludge. There’s simply a night & day difference between the two with full synthetic being the wise choice.
Install a catch can to capture the oil from the vapors. Synthetic is Dino oil that has been further refined and typically has special additives but there are no special standards for manufacturing synthetic oil. Chevy dealer says to change every 4K miles or when the DIC says 20% life left. I have it changed with 8 qts Mobile 1 and AC filter at 5k.
There's a good chance that Champion Labs is making both filters and that's why the quality is similar/close on both. The "E" in the Delco part is for "E-Core" which was done some years back in order to consolidate applications and lower the amount of SKUs that have to be carried on the shelf.
@@WhipCityWrencher Sure. There are only a few real "manufacturers" out there. Everyone else is a rebox/private label of one of those few manufacturers.
Thanks for the suggestion, I'm thinking of converting an extra caliper I have, maybe glue some small round flat disc on the caliper. Thanks for watching!👍
@@WhipCityWrencher NAH. Don't bother. The thickness of the filtering media doesn't really tell us anything about the ability of the media to gather and/or trap harmful particles. The thickness of the media and the Day Code on the filter -- BOTH are un-necessary to report -- but thanks for your past efforts !
@@SlikLizrd I think build dates are applicable in case some time down the road they change design. It let's you know on "X" day we know they changed build quality.
@@PayNoTaxes0GetNoVote The subject was "Date Codes" -- which are rarely shown as an actual date, and often contain misleading digits that are of NO USE to the filter purchaser. Internal info, such as expressed in these so-called "Date Codes" is of no use at all to the consumer. As I've said many times before -- actual dates are expressed as "mm/dd/yyyy", or "dd/mm/yyyy". Yes those "build codes" are uaeful, but NOT TO THE CONSUMER. Whip City Wrencher tries to give us useful information -- and only an actual "Date Code" is of any use to the viewers.
@@PayNoTaxes0GetNoVote That's true --BUT -- it has nothing to do with the fact that those codes often CANNOT be of use to the FILTER BUYER, because they are NOT displayed as an actual "Date Code", in which it is expressed as an actual date-- ie, "mm/dd/yyyy". The point is that a bunch of random numbers and letters that's printed on these oil filters is NOT an actual date code, and should not be used to attempt to determine when the oil filter was made. The "code" is for THEIR use -- not OURS. It's a tracking code -- NOT a "Date Code". After observing dozens of oil filter "reviews" by different Filter-Cutter-Opener Guys, I found ONE (1) actual "Date Code" -- the rest were internal tracking codes that are of NO USE to the rest of us.
If you change your oil by 4,000 or less like so many still do, like me, either filter will be fine. I won't lose any sleep switching from Wix to a Super Tech which I have done on my daily driver.
This was well done. You would be surprised as to the number of "Tier 1" suppliers that supply filters to the OEMs. Very short list. Oh, and all of them make 2nd and 3rd level filters that are less expensive than the OE service brand.
Thanks for the all your effort but I must say the only thing that matters is the ability of the filter to filter for its given application. Comparing gasket sizes, end cap appearances, etc. is nice, but it falls into the category of "thicker, prettier, or bigger" is always better, which is misleading unless you have a specific failure. It takes a lot of hours of testing in the lab and in the field to properly evaluate a filters performance - something the OEM's have already done many times. Everything else is just an opinion.
It may be an opinion when the two filters are similar but this isn't always the case, some filters are completely different when you open them up, for example, take a Purolator Boss the filter media is so strong you can't tear it.
@@WhipCityWrencher Again, its the filter's ability to filter, not necessarily its it tear strength that matters. Often we relate quality to how thick or pretty something is. In the case of oil filters its all about maintaining its ability to filter without starving the flow, over its expected life.
Very educational video nice job , the big question is which filter cleans or filters the contamints from the oil? . An oil analysis would give us that result. Filter construction quality and number one how clean is your oil after it’s filtered and returned to sump . A Quality constructed filter that cleans up oil the best. Any body out there sent there oil out for analysis? Project farm?
Often Rock Auto is technically cheaper but then you include shipping and handling, now you are higher than store prices. I always check carefully about the shipping charges, often these charges make on line shopping not that attractive.
Actually the filter widths are the same for ACDelco & Super Tech. The supposed lesser width of the Super Tech filter material is still contained within the metal end caps. Measure height of the end caps minus the thickness of the metal then times two . Add that number to the removed filter material & both widths should be near the same.
Thank you for the comparison. I put honda filters on my honda but recently started using Fram Ultra synthetic filter. It's more pricey but I've done away with the old school 3k mile oil changes and just follow Honda recommendation entervals which is at least twice as long.
6K should be fine as long as the engine stays clean and the oil is high quality long life. A small amount of engine treatment before an oil change helps.
You won't see Honda engineers putting in a fram filter on they're cars. But then again I haven't seen the inards of that filter in the past few years. It may be superior " but I doubt it. Will it hurt? I doubt it. Will it help? I doubt it. Would I choose fram over wix Purolator ac Delco or the supert . Hell no
Filter doesnt matter if you change the oil every 5k or so- haw many failures can be attributed to oil filters as longs as the oil was changed at a reasonable interval.
Good comparison, I think I'll buy the Supertech from now on! Usually run the ACdelco in my truck. I saw "Whip City Wrencher" and thought nah can't be Westfield. Then as soon as I heard you speak; gotta be! I used to spend lots of time at the BMX track there.
Both of these filters are made by Champion labs, one the two three biggest filter manufacturers in the US. There is likely a lot of parts sharing going on here... Those Supertech MP series filters are pretty solid for the money. Hard to find anything much better than locally for a reasonable price.
I would go for the larger area of the Delco. More area means lower pressure drop, resulting in slightly better oil flow throughout the life of the filter, and slightly longer before the filter is so restricted that the bypass opens to prevent oil starvation, resulting in unfiltered oil going to the bearings
@@WhipCityWrencher I have DFI engine, it produces a lot of soot which quickly contaminates the Oil, to the point that GM recalibrated the OLM, shortening it by about 45%. When I first got the car, it would take about 16,000km to get to 0%, in the spring thru autumn. Once it was recalibrated, the best it will do is 9000km. Once the temps drop to about 5C, the Oil life can be measured in Blocks. about 55km/percent. For the first 4 yrs of its life, it got AC Delco filters as that was what GM provided with the 4 yr years of No Charge Maintenance, that comes with Cadillacs. Once I had to pay, I have been using Baldwin/Hasting Oil Filters. They seem well made.
Just a quick observation regarding the supposed difference in filter surface area due to the metal end caps... I believe that the difference between the two filters is actually much smaller than you think, because although the metal caps cover the edges of the pleats on the Supertech, oil is still drawn into those recessed areas under the caps and that area of the pleats is still allowing oil to pass through and be filtered. The end caps are only really restricting the edges of the pleats, which don't allow much flow anyway, even on the uncovered parts of the folds. Therefore, it is likely that the actual useable surface area of the the Supertech is almost identical to the ACDelco, if not slightly better, due to the longer length of the filter media. All else being essentially equal, the Supertech seems to win on overall material quality for the price.
Good Point! And I agree, but because of the metal lip on the endcaps, the width will always be measured slightly narrower than a filter with felt endcaps. Can't really do anything about that. Thanks for your feedback!👍
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well i would take the ac one more filtration because of the lack of metal plates and changed on a every year basis result better engine life so lets see some trials done on filters after say 10000 miles with flow rates before use and after then cut open checks
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I dont use this filter but if anyone else does and wants to send me a used one I'll make a video out of it and see how it did. I'll pin this comment so it sits up Top.
@@WhipCityWrencher I'm not going 10,000 miles on a filter to check!
@@dealy9268 I have gone 35 thousand miles 5 times before changing my full synthetic oil and it was still barley Brown not bad oils and filters can do it these days compared to 3000 mile oil changes from the 60s and I did that on a 25 year old 4runner
@@AntonioClaudioMichael Okay, you do you. As a former auto tech from the 2000's with 24 years experience I would not do that. But that's me.
@@dealy9268 I been a auto Tech For 40 year if you were going to say you do you then you canceled out your own point ... I did it for testing and when the oil looks dang near brand new after 35 thousand miles that is impressive oil and I see how I wrote it kinda sounded like I was saying 35 thousand 5 times before I did a oil change and that is not what I ment I drove 35thousand miles then did a oil change and I did that 5 different times for testing with 5 different oil changes to test the consistency of the oil brand I was using
My dad was a tool maker for Campbell filter in Dexter Mo. They made oil filters. There was like 15-17 brands of oil filters. Everyone was made on the same line using the same materials. The difference came when separated at the paint line, some were orange, white and many other colors. There are very few companies that make there own filters and that are different.
This is true, but even though the same company makes them, there are variants, bigger inlet holes, more pleats, holes, louvers, plastic cages, etc...These filters might be made by the same company, and may even use the same filter media at times, but if you watch my videos you'll see that the insides are different. This is what I try to show. You can decide which filter you want to use.
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@@WhipCityWrencher if 15 of them come off the same line and only separation is paint then how do they differ? And do you think wal mart has a filter factory and advance and autozone have their own filter factorys? Lol there all the same and you can not tell a good filter from a bad one unless you test them both after being in service! But I guess you guys don't want to get your hands dirty
@@dodgeramsport01 Please name me a filter that is the same for a Walmart Supertech oil filter, an Advance Auto oil filter, and an Autozone oil filter. I'll pick up all 3, cut them open, and see if they are all the same.
@@WhipCityWrencher K&N filter vs Supertech... I believe they are identical inside.
@@IrrationalBstrd They make 3 different K&N oil filters and 2 different Supertech oil filters. They are not all the same.
I am a retired mechanic and I also spent 17 years in a GM parts department,AC Delco oil filters years ago were the best, but just like everything they made them cheaper,no big surprise.
The older Delphi made ones look better compared to the Champion made one shown in this video.
The SuperTech is a damn nice filter. Metal end caps, silicone anti-drain back, lots of big return holes, high-flowing nylon cage, and plenty of filtration media. Best in its price range.
Are you loose your eyes? Both filter in video -piece of junk!
@@Andrew__Smith You’re out of your mind. Show me a better constructed filter in the SuperTech price class. I’ll wait.
@@ChicagoRob2 Sorry dear, but I'm not an expert on sorts of shits
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I've never had problems with Ac Delco. I
will continue with them.
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Super t. Because I change my oil early. Usually by color. So saving the money on an oil change works for me. At the rate I change my oil both should have life left.
Been using AC Delco for 35 years and not changing.
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205k miles on my 2005 2500hd gmc been using acdelco from the first oil change
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I love these video's. I'm glad that your taking apart oil filters. It gives us a good review and look on how these filters are built plus it keeps the filter company's on their toes.
Thanks, Greg
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@WhipCityWrencher can you do something on oil additive. If there worth it or no
@@Greg-w6t The only thing I could do with oil additives is send a sample to a lab and have it analyzed.
@@WhipCityWrencher ok thanks for the reply
Thanks for another inside look into filters. Media composition and filtration rates aside, which are sometimes impossible to obtain from the manufacturers or difficult to obtain on your own without costly apparatus, your videos furnish viewers with info they would not have unless they wasted money opening the unused filters that you open. Keep it up. I appreciate it!
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I'm glad you like the videos😊,
I hope I can help some people out.
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Went to Walmart yesterday and got a super tech oil filter and super tech 5w20 full synthetic. First time using this brand since I heard many good things about it
Supertech full synthetic oil and filters are great! Just don't fall for the "advanced" 20,000 mile oil marketing trick. Why would you go 20,000 miles without changing the oil? Even 10,000 is pushing it!
@@sirjohndoeofpa3292 unless they only change the oil not filter...some vehicles oil filter are a bear getting to it...
Same thing or better Motor Oli & Filter
I think you could safely wager a large amount that those filters came from the same factory.
When you calculated the area of the filter media you left off the part of the walmart filter that was cut off with the end caps. Include that and will have as much or more area than the Delco. Oil can still penetrate that part of the media and go around the flange on the metal cap.
Oil will filter in the material cut off in the end caps. SuperTec looks overall better.
you should have compared the Standard Super Tech 10K ST series filter the White One and not the MP Series which is there 20K filter to the standard PF48E
Nicely done. Great camera work too. Very clear. Thank you for sharing.
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The Florida pool pump motor repair guy, approved ! that was good info, thanks WCW
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I use the exact same filter size 10060 in SuperTech form. I knew from my own observation that AC DELCO makes Supertech. I have been using Supertech a long time now, as with my experience with AC Delco I have been satified with their performance. I will likely continue using SuperTech long into the future until they change things up again.
Actually, Champ Labs Makes the ACDelco and the Supertech.
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I have only used super tech oil and filters on my 2019 Ram 1500 Hemi, have 218,ooo plus miles no problems
I stay with A.C. Delco for one reason above all. They do not leak out the gasket like so many others on my 350 Corvette motor.
good video , I use K N HP filters now to each his own in the 60's 70's used fram
Great review. When comparing filters the 3 most critical measures are the micron rating (how small of particles it will filter out), It's BETA rating (how efficient the filter is at removing these particles), and the last measure is how much of these contaminants the filter material can hold in grams. In general if one uses a good synthetic oil with a good filter you can easily follow the engine manufacturer's criteria for oil change intervals. If you are changing your oil at 3000 miles you are probably throwing away good oil.
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Mileage and time spent in the engine are two things to consider.
I would definitely take a closer look at Super Tech after this. Never gave that brand a thought until now.
13:20 If you change your oil as often as directed in your owners manual, I doubt those metal end caps will play much of a role. On the other hand 2 dollars more is hardly a deal breaker when it comes to protecting your engine oil from contaminants. Nice video. Cheers!
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Good morning. Excellent video and camera work. I have used both and both are excellent and I like they are USA made. Thanks again for this video. Keep them coming my friend. 😎☕☕
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First THANK YOU for your complete breakdown on what is inside these two filters. I have a 2005 Envoy 4.2 inline 6 and its time to change the oil. As a side note I have used Castrol all synthetic Extended high mileage last two oil changes with the oil changed at 8,500 mile mark both times and this time its right at 8,000 , no use of oil, runs great and when I switched to this Castrol you could feel how the engine ran smoother and increased mpg slightly. Rolling at 183k miles. Hope this info helps other folks. Subscribed
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I use the same oil myself the 5W 30. It has additives that help to soften and swell slightly gaskets and seals.
Thanks, I have used PF46E in my 2007;Canyon / 4 CYL OCCASIONALLY OVER THE YEARS…….. etc..
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Good timming. I just changed over to the Supertech MP10060 from the PF48E on my 07 LS2 Corvette last summer. So far all is good.
Wow, guess so!
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Of the two I would pick the Super Tech. But I use K&N. Maybe you could compare it with the Super Tech sometime.
Hi Ron,
Here's one I did. ruclips.net/video/RvGjUrGl_WU/видео.html&ab_channel=WhipCityWrencher
My 06 Fusion with the Mazda 2.3L engine uses one of those canister filters with just the media to replace. Shockingly those cost as much or more than a traditional oil filter. Making out good there I think. The cap comes off and has an inner nylon cage like these use. It seemed to me that was a huge improvement for oil flow, and I am glad to see that being implemented in oil filters. Having said that, I am going to start buying Supertech filters again. I used them years ago when they cost $2. I still have one from about 10 years ago. I will have to cut it open and see what they were like back then compared to now.
Yep,
They must make more $ on the cartridge oil filters, not much to them. But very easy for us, the customer to compare.
I dont know if you saw this video I made on 3 cartridge oil filters a while back. It's a bit of an eye-opener on the price we pay for filter boxes lol. Thanks for the feedback 👍ruclips.net/video/ssoVdPufOj4/видео.html&ab_channel=WhipCityWrencher
I have a 2006 Fusion that uses a cannister, it is odd that you don't get a price break. You have to be careful with the o-ring, one time I didn't install the large o-ring quite right and I had a leak. Luckily I caught the leak while test running the car on the ramp. I have been charging my own oil and filters for about 45 years, and that was the first leak I've ever experienced.
If there is enough room to add an adapter, they see a modification to switch over to spin on filter instead of the canister style
@@edy5082 Interesting I will check into that.
The Ford Focus with the 2.3L Mazda engine came with a spin on filter, the FL-910. You can purchase the oil filter housing for the Focus and it bolts right on to your Mazda. They after that you can use the spin on filter. Word of caution: use the correct torque spec for the bolts because the housing is aluminum and it's very easy to crack the case.
GM owner AC Delco user. Always.
I've used AC Delco filters from Rock Auto (along with other brands) on my GM van and never had issues but I'll use Wix or Superteck from now on. Thanks for the informative video
Bought my 2016 Silverado, & started using Mobile 1 syn / factory specs, as GM runs Mobile fluids. I buy 6 AC/Delco filters, at a time from Rock Auto, at about $1.75 ea. My warranty has passed, but I'm sticking with this, just in case I ever have an engine problem.
Does your van have a shag rug? A water bed? Or just some candy to bait in the children. Your license plate is CREEPR1
I enjoy watching your videos and others they bring me up when I am having a rough day and not making any money in my side business of changing oil on my days off from work.
Thank You! Glad you like the videos.
Way to go with oil changing, 👍I'm sure you do a way better job than those quickly lubes.
Believe me, I know, if you do a good job they'll be calling you to do other things as well.
Have a Happy New Year!
I would take super tech they’re so much cheaper and the metal end caps are boss, along with the silicone , should prove better under a wider range of conditions. Thanks for opening them up !
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@@WhipCityWrencher I was just at Wal Mart this afternoon looking at both of these filters. The SuperTech MP series filters run about $3 less than the comparable AC Delco. I have even used the SuperTech filters on my niece’s ‘15 Chevy Malibu, and took an AC Delco off of it. For my money, SuperTech for the win!
Good Video I Us AC Dalco and WIx for my oil filters and Air I like The Wix and Cabin Filter the AC Delco are the best they are the heaviest and have the best fit in our 2007 Chevy HHR with a 2.2 later 4 Cyl a n d of course it doesn't have a fuel filter is built into the Fuel pump and don't have a external Fuel Filter Just saying good Video.
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The comments about splitting hairs and "good enough" for street and the price concerns reminded me to remind everyone here that the engineers and us are asking a hell of lot out of all these tiny displacement, direct injection, turbo and twin turbo engines. The tolerances on these things are very tight. No room for error. As I replied to a earlier post, I watched a Fram collapse on first start up. Fresh race motor on a stand that allowed me to see it crush like cheap beer can. Been doing street and race motors over 45 yr. and I'll tell you these tiny boosted motors are on the edge just like racing motors. Just keep that in mind when choosing your next filter.
Yo, UncleLarry !!
You say that you "watched a Fram collapse on first start-up" -- which makes NO sense, because the oil filter is under PRESSURE, and it will BURST long before it could ever "collapse", or "crush like a cheap beer can".
It's common practice for engine buliders to blame their mistakes on unrelated parts -- and the much-maligned FRAM oil filters are an easy target.
@@SlikLizrd Howdy Chuck; Beats me why it didn't swell instead of shrinking. Saw it with my own eyes though. No cannabis involved. I did ask around. Only explanation that made half sense was combination of high volume Melling pump and stuck bypass valve. Naturally I primed system first and had oil from all push rods and pumped up lifters. Maybe you can come with something.That was 20 some years ago and have not seen that since. I only used Frams for cam break-in because they were cheap. Not anymore. Hasting, Purolator, Wix or NAPPA for me. Race or street.
@@rhubarbsipes1 I believe you. My bro was letting a brand new bmw idle at the dealer, it overheated and caught fire. Lol. Poof ! 🔥
I use the AC delcos on all 3 of my gm vehicles and OEM on everything else. I learned my lesson about 10 years ago when the guy at napa gave me the wrong filter for my zero turn that had a kohler engine on it. Filter screwed on but caused oil starvation issues and about mid summer the engine went. It was under warranty but not after they seen it was the aftermarket filter that caused the issue. I use OEM not because they are vastly superior but just so i can say hey GM,Kohler whoever your approved OEM filter caused this issue not something I done and that is something that will stand up in court, Thats how I look at it anyway
I can understand warranty issues, I might do the same if I had a new vehicle.
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Always use OEM as well, OEM parts ect.
@@mecalpsha4473 There comes a time when OEM no longer makes the product and you have to settle. Many sell using the term OE and to me that is false advertising.
If they claimed OE specs, just like this video shows specs are different, so that too would be false. If they some things were made to OE specs, say water pump as an example, the warranty would/should be much more than what any of the after market offer, as we all know things give out years after purchasing a brand new car. At least in most cases.
I'm with ya ,,, OEM regardless of where it's made , although it pisses me off when I get a GM part that's made in Mexico . My two Yellow Top batteries that I just bought used to be made in the USA ,,, And now made in Mexico ,,,, And with that said we'll see how long they last in Florida with our Heat
What a load of crap dealer unloaded on u with the engine starvation story and bad filter. Engine went because gm builds crappy engines !
Fram n Full Synthetic Oil, filter every 3K, Oil every 10K..no problems..200 to 300 miles a day 6 days a week
2.5L 2011 Ford Mazda Engine 350K and still going...
Can't understand why everybody is all Bent Over oil filters with felt end caps I have Never seen one destroy a Engine ONLY THING i seen that Destroyed a engine is NOT Changing The OIL NOT the OIL Filter Failing .
A very well-done comparison. I've been watching these filter comparisons for years as a DIY homeowner with several cars over the years. Been changing oil for over 40 years now myself. I've said several times that I buy whatever is on sale and it's the frequency of oil changes NOT necessarily the type of oil filter. I've used Fram, Supertech, and all the brand names. Years ago we used to change the oil every 3,000 miles. Now I do it between 6-8,000 with synthetic oil or whatever is on sale (even Supertech synthetic). Funny you use an AC PF48 filter. That's the same one on my 2013 C6 Corvette.
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Same here, I have always used either Fram or what ever is on sale. I have never had an engine failure. People make way too much about different brands... As you get older you learn to look past the sales BS and use what works. I used Pennsoil for years until it caused the lifters to sludge up in my 1999 2500 6.0 Sierra. I changer over to full synthetic Supper Tech 0-20 and over time the ticking has gone away.
@@stevev3142 Yes, if you drive like a little old lady then yes it wont make a difference.
Yes, if you drive like a little old lady on her way to the super market then you are correct it wont make a difference.
@@ThunderAppeal Won't make a difference if you drive like Richard Petty or a little old lady. Oil filters simply keep out the chunky stuff. They have a bypass valve that opens if the oil pressure gets too high, then you simply bypass the filter. Filter media is rated by micron filtering capability. If you have a tight intake system with a decent air filter, there is not much dust to get into the oil. If you drive like hell and something lets go in the engine no oil filter will help that situation. Engines run better if they are loose than super tight.
Are the pleats deeper on the Super Tech ? Something made it longer. Maybe measure the square inches or cm?
Hi Tamara,
Yes, deeper pleats and 2 extra pleats made it longer.
Surprisingly the Super Tech is a better made filtet in my opinion. Both very similar in their design. But the Super Tech has better materials and construction. Good show.
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Super tech may look nicer and appear as such ! But when you figure it took all that glue to glue metal caps on and then you lose length do to end caps on top of extra pleats does it restrict oil flow ! If go ac all day !
@@leocrisp6543 Slipping filter hairs I think. I still change my oil by less than 4,000 miles, shot for 3,000 so pretty much any filter will do.
Bingo! You are the winner!
Whatever is cheapest if you're not drag racin' your car or sup'm. These things get changed out ever few months, so you should never have an issue if you do half decent maintenance.
I'd say the supertech wins especially when you consider it is less expensive. Definitely a better value.
The super tech was roughly 40% more according to the beginning of this video. Also the ST is a 20,000 mile filter over the AC was a standard
I use anything but a Fram. Supertech is my most often used. Since Walmart in my area doesn't stock a good variety of filters I often order Wix since they are cheap on Amazon.
Both filters seem like excellent choices. I usually go with a factory filter if I can. However I do not use fram oil filters any longer. Above all, just change oil at regular intervals, and use oil recommended by the manufactures.
frams are good
@@ramonlepana4360 You are wrong. Been doing race engines for over 45 years. One step below crap. Watched a Fram collapse on a fresh engine on a stand during cam break-in. Looked like crushed beer can.
Fram used to be a good filter.
They went downhill after Allied Signal bought them out.
Really....did Walmart tell you that?
Fram are junk anyone that has experience will agree
Supertech... Never would have guessed it would be a stronger filter by comparison. Thank you!
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Super Tech It’s the one I always grab for my Wife’s 2007 RAV4 V6, 171K and the Super Tech high mileage 5W30 synthetic oil, change it every 5K. Oil is still clean when I change it! 👍
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@@WhipCityWrencher agree! It’ll probably rust away before it wears out! I do Fluid Film it, so we’ll see!!
A great combination you can always rely on.
I’ve used the AC Delcos ( mostly on GM’s) for years without any problems. Except on our Toyotas where I use Toyota filters.
Hi Chuck,
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My problem with oil filters from most manufacturers today is they keep getting smaller, which seems like it would reduce the filtering capacity. Some filters are so tiny they look like they would be useless after a certain amount of time, depending on the driving conditions. Wix seems to be a little better in this regard, but I still like to try to find the largest filter I can find to fit my car's engine, even if it means using a big block Chevy filter on the small block engine in my car because it's usually larger.
If it fits and functions properly go for it.
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Engines and thus oil capacity have become smaller as well. Don't need the same size filter on a 2L I4 as you do a 5L V8
I added a remote oil filter manifold that does 3 things.1) Slightly increases oil capacity with two filters. 2) can mount the manifold away from the heat of the engine. 3) double filters the oil, if you go with that option.
Some look like they belong on a Brigs & Stratton Lawn Mower
MobileOne filters usually are bigger in capacity for every vehicle just letting u know. But u can also do cross references because I ran into two different recommendations for different part numbers for the same motor just for different year models. So check around and make sure u know how much room u have and that way u don't have any clearance problems. WIX makes O'REILLY and NAPA oil filters and they are a better filter just letting u know. The company that makes K&N also makes the Supertech filters FYI. Always remember the name and/or price does not make the better or lesser filter so do ur research.
I have been using supertech oil and filters for over 8 years. No problems
WOW for $3 ST looks great , I use Purolator One got several when they were on sale.
I use both. Never any problem
Please for the love of god never go 20000 miles between oil changes, I’ve seen what happens when you do and it’s not pretty.
Even with full synthetic??
I had a car with a cartridge filter, had to change the filter every 5k as it would start to crush in, but ran the oil a lot longer to what the oil manufacture indicated.
Having just talked to a couple of oil industry chemists, they have spent decades developing additive packages and formulating base oils to last 20k miles. They have spent millions of dollars in development and millions more testing the oil in actual vehicles. Testing the oils constantly through 20k miles. Cutting open engines. Running engines until they finally fail.
When they say the oil is good for 20k, it's better than good for 20k miles.
@@donwyoming1936 The problem lies in the fact that the oil manufacturers can’t test every engine in production. Due to poorly designed PCV systems some engines will sludge regardless of the quality of the engine oil. I’ve seen certain models that have sludged up running synthetic oil at 5000 mile intervals because of poor design and no long drain oil can over that. Saying an oil can run X number of miles guaranteed is a blanket statement that doesn’t apply to every engine. After 30 years in the automotive industry I’ve seen my share of engines that customers sludged up because the design of the engine simply wasn’t conducive to long oil drain intervals.
@@prevost8686Absolutely. I learned that lesson first hand. You got to do your best to research the vehicle and engine your buying. I stay away from certain manufacturers. Though every brand has good designs and bad designs,
I’m not exclusive with a particular oil filter brand. I bought every Castrol oil filter Menard’s had when they were clearing them out for my 2006 GMC Sierra. 160k miles and it still runs like new. I use Purolator filters in my 2016 VW Jetta daily driver that I get on sale from Farm and Fleet. I’ll probably start buying more from Rockauto and they don’t sell either brand so I may switch again, probably Wix for both cars.
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The filter element you left in those steel end caps will still filter as the oil can travel up the side pleats! Looks like a wash to me.
The super tech has filter left in the ring where you cut it. Add that to the width and they might be the same width?
It might be, but there's also glue in there, so how much is to be gained? I don't know.
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Both filters are made by Champ Labs. The AC here is more comparable to the regular SuperTech($3). the media in the ST is thicker making it a notch above the AC.
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Nice video Whip... I'm going with the Supertech. I really like the new MP Supertech line up!!!!
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Where I'm at in Southern California, wal mart doesn't carry super tech oil filters, but started carrying the ac Delco brand, however they still have some super tech brand oil in stock!
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Thank you for making this video. I’ve been looking forward it. It made my day! Thank you!
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I honestly wouldn't feel bad using the AC Delco filter. That core looks just like a Mahle oil filter, save the reinforcement in the center. Changed every 5k miles, I never had a problem with them just like we haven't had a problem, with those ACD's. As far as I'm concerned, these are two good filters for a lot of people's needs. Not the best, not the worst, but very good for a large group.
Supertech wins on price. I've been running supertech full synthetic and filters for 20 years and keep all my vehicles well over 200k. No problem here.
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They look fine.
Which one would I use?
Wix...
I would choose the ACDelco just on a better reputation alone and i have had good luck with them but would not stray away from the Supertech as I have seen a lot of good reviews on them and do like the metal end caps, just sometimes when I go to use it I'm a little concerned because it is a Walmart supertech...
Been using Super tech oil and filters for 25 years now never had a problem!!
@@jeffhodge124 I've used them too but was a bit hesitant to put one on my 50 thousand dollar truck. Just felt like I was being cheap in an area I shouldn't be.
@@topJimmyP1984 WHEN IN DOUBT DOING A LITTLE RESEARCH/HOMEWORK MOST LIKELY WILL PAY OFF. ALSO THE VEHICLES OWNERS MANUAL CON TAINS VERY HELPFUL NAINTENANCE SCHEDULE. BEST, C4/LS ENGINES.
You said the Delco was cheaper mail order. How much is it at an auto parts store, Auto Zone?
I didn't say it was cheaper, I just said that I bought mine at RockAuto. I buy a few filters at a time to offset the shipping cost when I get them at RockAuto. If your buying just one filter and you have an AutoZone where you live then your better off going to AutoZone. $9.99 at AutoZone www.autozone.com/filters-and-pcv/oil-filter/p/acdelco-oil-filter-pf48/938574_0_0
I do believe both are made in the same factory. Slight differences and they duked it out but supertech comes out on top here!
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The filter sold under the AC/Delco brand is a Purolator filter that's what 'PF' stands for in the 'PF48E' product number, the Walmart brand filter is made by Champion Laboratories. I use Walmart brand oil and filters and have been having very good luck...
My 2003 Corolla , at 193,000 miles , still runs like new.Ive been using Walmart Supertech 5W 30 full synthetic and Frams cheapest oil filter.
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My bros car 04 matrix ie Corolla 285 K still gets the Estimated mileage 30 Highway. 26 city. I'd use a better filter. Jus sayin. It's worth it. That's a great little motor..I was unaware that the matrix is a Corolla. I'm impressed by that little car. I'd love a old Crx or insight, but there way more $$$$$ than there worth to me. My bro asked me to go thru the matrix. & Bailed. I drove it a cpl days, & did all the maintenance. He has a small ps leak from the lower hose at the reservoir. So called mechanics couldn't find it. It left a heloifa mess. after going thru the motor, & changing out the trans fluid.( Do it" it has a drain plug. 3 Qts of T IV ) I am impressed with the car...He drives Uber, & said he has had over 6000 trips, with approx 10K customers in that car. But wanted to sell it. He was done. He sold it to me for the junkyard quote. I love this little car! Yeah the doors aren't heavy like a Lincoln mark viii, But it's just as reliable. I've owned over 309 Cars & trucks, I love finding a model I've never had, & making em go, like they should. I enjoy helping many keep there cars in top condition. Yes I loved my 91 SR5 V6 Xtra cab 4x4 on the fly,. But with gas here at $6 a gal. I don't miss that. P.s. the kyb front struts are Nice. Remember Americans don't buydung 💩 We knew years ago, these people were corrupt as hell, & now they're proving it, to the 🌎. 🙏💕💪✌️🏜️
The BOSS oil filter by Purolator is THE best oil filter, PERIOD.
I don't know if it's the Best but it is a very good oil filter.👍
@@WhipCityWrencher Thanks for your reply! I don't know if you've watched "Project Farm", but that gentleman "walks the extra mile" when testing all kinds of stuff, old buddy and, when he tested oil filters, Purolator was the winner, hands down. BTW, Pennzoil finished 2nd. after Amsoil (which is way too expensive, so I went with Pennzoil.) Greetings from Puerto Rico, my friend, KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK!
@@Funkydood Thank You!
I do watch Project Farm, I think I missed that video though.
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And what basis is that?
How about putting fiber material under a microscope? Curious as to how that would turn out.
YEP. Put all that s**t under a microscope -- then we'll all be able to SEE CLEARLY all the stuff we don't understand in the first place.
Another great job Peter! Keep up the good work!
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Can’t believe how much better the super tech is. Can’t be beat for the price. I use fram ultra or purolator boss, but I’m going to use the super tech to do a marvel mystery flush. Now I’m confident using it. Thanks whip!
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Good review and camera work.
Thanks, Greg!
Glad you liked the video!
I've long since gone to 3k OCI on my 100k+ vehicles so either filter would be fine. My personal preference is WIX but I'd not hesitate to use the ST filter.
Whatever filter you use, ALWAYS check the threads. Good filters have well defined deep cut threads, cheapies have marginal rolled threads. Almost lost a fresh engine rebuild using a cheap store filter just for the break-in. A few seconds after startup the filter blew off, no excessive oil pressure. Shut it down in time. Exam found the threads in the filter were barely there.
ST oil holds up quite well too. Lots oil analysis out there on it.
Yea, I've used ST oil for at least 5 years now, never had a problem with it. As with any oil, just make sure to change it on time and you'll be fine.
WIX makes O'REILLY and NAPA filters so they are all good filters to buy. The company that makes K&N oil filters also makes Supertech filters which most people don't know.
@@txplumcrazy I've been in the habit of buying OE filters for my cars, because worrying about filter quality is annoying. At least SuperTech a cutaway picture on the box, in the case of one of my cars they only offer felt caps.
@@txplumcrazy It's my understanding that only the NAPA "Gold" filters are made by Wix. Don't know about O'Reilly.
Suggestion: Go the extra mile & try them in real-life conditions--running them in a vehicle (like Project Farm does!) Also, what happened to the microscope, bro'?!
I cut open used filters almost every Tuesday.
I’m not convinced the comparison revealed which one was superior to the other. Besides, the brands could change the composition depending on the application. I’ve read lots of bad stuff about the cheap oil filters, such as oil drainback valves deteriorating at the 3K mile mark, resulting in dry starts which is even more important to avoid these days with the automatic start/stop technology.
For my vehicles, I switched from Mobil 1 extended performance oil filters to a Fram Ultra oil filter because many sites said it’s better, and I found they’re cheaper as well but knowing how bad Fram filters are, I had a difficult time making the change.
I also switched from SuperTech full synthetic to Mobil 1 extended performance full synthetic oil because it didn’t cost much more and the 20K mileage protection claim made it seem to be the superior choice and matched the 20K claims of the filters, but I’ll stick with my 5K mile oil changes (more frequently if I visited dusty areas, dirt roads, or sandy areas) and I’ll continue ignoring any time factors since I’d never wait the year maximum anyway.
Since I assume this video was created to help people make prudent choices, I’ll contribute a PSA:
Never use dinosaur oil or even synthetic blends, especially on direct fuel injection engines…which the vast majority are these days, because the PCV sends oil vapors past the intake valves and instead of being washed away by the fuel passing over ‘em on port injection vehicles, the oily vapor just collects, layer after layer, in the valve chamber, onto the stems and that oil bakes into hard carbon that’ll eventually break into chunks, possibly causing leaky valves, compression loss, and perhaps shortening the life of the engine.
Often a telltale sign is an engine miss at idle, which can shorten the life of the catalytic converter, possibly obstructing the exhaust.
Direct fuel injection could be planned obsolescence but I believe that could be avoided by simply using full synthetic oil. Sure it costs more to change the oil but think of all the costly problems that could be avoided.
I’ve read that some vehicle manufacturers use a combination of port injection along with direct injection to address the issue so do your own research.
I sure hope this doesn’t get marked as spam but I see nothing wrong with helping people.
Thanks for sharing and your feedback!
Toyota gdi have port and direct injection.
@@donaldsmith4480 I suppose the PCV oil deposit issues may not apply to multiport since some automakers were smart enough to understand fuel passing over the intake valves helps keep ‘em clean. But I’ve seen baked-on deposits and sludge inside engines even prior to direct injection coming out that used dinosaur oil, especially if not changed frequently enough. Full synthetic doesn’t bake-on and doesn’t sludge. There’s simply a night & day difference between the two with full synthetic being the wise choice.
Install a catch can to capture the oil from the vapors. Synthetic is Dino oil that has been further refined and typically has special additives but there are no special standards for manufacturing synthetic oil. Chevy dealer says to change every 4K miles or when the DIC says 20% life left. I have it changed with 8 qts Mobile 1 and AC filter at 5k.
Have used Super tech for years. Good filter for the money.👍🇺🇸
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@@WhipCityWrencher Always ready to give it to intelligent creators. Keep up the good work.👍🇺🇸
There's a good chance that Champion Labs is making both filters and that's why the quality is similar/close on both. The "E" in the Delco part is for "E-Core" which was done some years back in order to consolidate applications and lower the amount of SKUs that have to be carried on the shelf.
The are both made by Champ labs.
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@@WhipCityWrencher Sure. There are only a few real "manufacturers" out there. Everyone else is a rebox/private label of one of those few manufacturers.
Champion labs = Nice quality
The super tech filter material is longer because the individual folded sections are wider. I use super tech oil and filters in all my vehicles 👍🏻
Thanks, just wanted to say when you measure the pleats , use the wide part of the calipers for accurate readings on soft materials.
Thanks for the suggestion, I'm thinking of converting an extra caliper I have, maybe glue some small round flat disc on the caliper.
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@@WhipCityWrencher NAH. Don't bother.
The thickness of the filtering media doesn't really tell us anything about the ability of the media to gather and/or trap harmful particles.
The thickness of the media and the Day Code on the filter -- BOTH are un-necessary to report -- but thanks for your past efforts !
@@SlikLizrd I think build dates are applicable in case some time down the road they change design. It let's you know on "X" day we know they changed build quality.
@@PayNoTaxes0GetNoVote The subject was "Date Codes" -- which are rarely shown as an actual date, and often contain misleading digits that are of NO USE to the filter purchaser.
Internal info, such as expressed in these so-called "Date Codes" is of no use at all to the consumer.
As I've said many times before -- actual dates are expressed as "mm/dd/yyyy", or "dd/mm/yyyy".
Yes those "build codes" are uaeful, but NOT TO THE CONSUMER.
Whip City Wrencher tries to give us useful information -- and only an actual "Date Code" is of any use to the viewers.
@@PayNoTaxes0GetNoVote That's true --BUT -- it has nothing to do with the fact that those codes often CANNOT be of use to the FILTER BUYER, because they are NOT displayed as an actual "Date Code", in which it is expressed as an actual date-- ie, "mm/dd/yyyy".
The point is that a bunch of random numbers and letters that's printed on these oil filters is NOT an actual date code, and should not be used to attempt to determine when the oil filter was made.
The "code" is for THEIR use -- not OURS.
It's a tracking code -- NOT a "Date Code".
After observing dozens of oil filter "reviews" by different Filter-Cutter-Opener Guys, I found ONE (1) actual "Date Code" -- the rest were internal tracking codes that are of NO USE to the rest of us.
If you change your oil by 4,000 or less like so many still do, like me, either filter will be fine. I won't lose any sleep switching from Wix to a Super Tech which I have done on my daily driver.
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This was well done. You would be surprised as to the number of "Tier 1" suppliers that supply filters to the OEMs. Very short list. Oh, and all of them make 2nd and 3rd level filters that are less expensive than the OE service brand.
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I use to run the A/C until it went up to $12 a filter at Walmart. Been running super tech ever since
Thanks for the all your effort but I must say the only thing that matters is the ability of the filter to filter for its given application. Comparing gasket sizes, end cap appearances, etc. is nice, but it falls into the category of "thicker, prettier, or bigger" is always better, which is misleading unless you have a specific failure. It takes a lot of hours of testing in the lab and in the field to properly evaluate a filters performance - something the OEM's have already done many times. Everything else is just an opinion.
It may be an opinion when the two filters are similar but this isn't always the case, some filters are completely different when you open them up, for example, take a Purolator Boss the filter media is so strong you can't tear it.
@@WhipCityWrencher Again, its the filter's ability to filter, not necessarily its it tear strength that matters. Often we relate quality to how thick or pretty something is. In the case of oil filters its all about maintaining its ability to filter without starving the flow, over its expected life.
Very educational video nice job , the big question is which filter cleans or filters the contamints from the oil? . An oil analysis would give us that result. Filter construction quality and number one how clean is your oil after it’s filtered and returned to sump . A Quality constructed filter that cleans up oil the best. Any body out there sent there oil out for analysis? Project farm?
Thanks!
Here's one using a Supertech oil and filter. ruclips.net/video/A5wXtYkdPXM/видео.html&ab_channel=WhipCityWrencher
Often Rock Auto is technically cheaper but then you include shipping and handling, now you are higher than store prices. I always check carefully about the shipping charges, often these charges make on line shopping not that attractive.
Yep,
To offset the shipping you need to buy a few filters at a time.
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Actually the filter widths are the same for ACDelco & Super Tech. The supposed lesser width of the Super Tech filter material is still contained within the metal end caps. Measure height of the end caps minus the thickness of the metal then times two . Add that number to the removed filter material & both widths should be near the same.
Thank you for the comparison. I put honda filters on my honda but recently started using Fram Ultra synthetic filter. It's more pricey but I've done away with the old school 3k mile oil changes and just follow Honda recommendation entervals which is at least twice as long.
6K should be fine as long as the engine stays clean and the oil is high quality long life. A small amount of engine treatment before an oil change helps.
fram baby!!!
Oem is far superior to fram
Hilarious
@@ramonlepana4360 lol, a a little nollege is a dangerous thing. BUYDUNG HARRIS 2020!
You won't see Honda engineers putting in a fram filter on they're cars. But then again I haven't seen the inards of that filter in the past few years. It may be superior " but I doubt it. Will it hurt? I doubt it. Will it help? I doubt it. Would I choose fram over wix Purolator ac Delco or the supert . Hell no
Supertech engine oil is definitely a totally excellent product ; same for oil filter. Surely, regular oil change keeps engine running great. Our 2003 vehicle runs great, as engine oil change is done within 7,500 mile interval.
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Filter doesnt matter if you change the oil every 5k or so- haw many failures can be attributed to oil filters as longs as the oil was changed at a reasonable interval.
Good comparison, I think I'll buy the Supertech from now on! Usually run the ACdelco in my truck. I saw "Whip City Wrencher" and thought nah can't be Westfield. Then as soon as I heard you speak; gotta be! I used to spend lots of time at the BMX track there.
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Whip City BMX, Ive never been to any events but seems like it would be fun.
Small world, thanks for sharing
Makes no diff how they are made. The question is "how do they filter" and how do they hold up during normal oil change intervals.
Both of these filters are made by Champion labs, one the two three biggest filter manufacturers in the US. There is likely a lot of parts sharing going on here... Those Supertech MP series filters are pretty solid for the money. Hard to find anything much better than locally for a reasonable price.
I would go for the larger area of the Delco. More area means lower pressure drop, resulting in slightly better oil flow throughout the life of the filter, and slightly longer before the filter is so restricted that the bypass opens to prevent oil starvation, resulting in unfiltered oil going to the bearings
If you do 5 to 7,000 mile OCI than a clogged filter shouldn't be an issue.
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@@WhipCityWrencher
I have DFI engine, it produces a lot of soot which quickly contaminates the Oil, to the point that GM recalibrated the OLM, shortening it by about 45%. When I first got the car, it would take about 16,000km to get to 0%, in the spring thru autumn. Once it was recalibrated, the best it will do is 9000km. Once the temps drop to about 5C, the Oil life can be measured in Blocks. about 55km/percent. For the first 4 yrs of its life, it got AC Delco filters as that was what GM provided with the 4 yr years of No Charge Maintenance, that comes with Cadillacs. Once I had to pay, I have been using Baldwin/Hasting Oil Filters. They seem well made.
Denso filters rule!!! Get them cheap online!!!
Based on oil flow, and filter media my choice is AC delco. Same filtering with less flow restrictions!
You got the "upgraded" walmart filter. You should have gotten the cheaper one for $2.97 to compare with the AC delco one.
I have, here is a video link of one, ruclips.net/video/C2a_b3FNEqo/видео.html&ab_channel=WhipCityWrencher
Just a quick observation regarding the supposed difference in filter surface area due to the metal end caps...
I believe that the difference between the two filters is actually much smaller than you think, because although the metal caps cover the edges of the pleats on the Supertech, oil is still drawn into those recessed areas under the caps and that area of the pleats is still allowing oil to pass through and be filtered.
The end caps are only really restricting the edges of the pleats, which don't allow much flow anyway, even on the uncovered parts of the folds. Therefore, it is likely that the actual useable surface area of the the Supertech is almost identical to the ACDelco, if not slightly better, due to the longer length of the filter media.
All else being essentially equal, the Supertech seems to win on overall material quality for the price.
Good Point! And I agree,
but because of the metal lip on the endcaps, the width will always be measured slightly narrower than a filter with felt endcaps. Can't really do anything about that.
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That is not quite right. The endcaps are filled with glue which buries the pleat in it. That is what is holding the endcap to the pleat.
can you compare some of the quick change oil filter places filter . thanks.
I have done some in the past, any particular one your looking for?
I’m a little surprised supertech was as well made as it was