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This is a full revival, I was expecting something like "just a grip under the belt is ok" but the Kodokan is not even shying away from Morote, only making it sensible for competition
These rules really are great. I do hope that the kodokan releasing the rules before the IJF influences positively in the making of the new olympic rules.
As a Judoka from the 1980/90ies, I see this as a win for the martial art and for it's aplication in self defence. This is beautiful Judo, I can only love it. Grip fighting, counterthrows, sacrificial throws and more groundfighting is back on the menu.
Hey Chadi. The way i interpret the new rules is that attacking the legs is okay, as long as it is aiding in completing a throw. Very interested to see how judo evolves as a result to these changes.
@@chrisgk7494 if the action is continuous the fight in the ground will continue, look up Shori Hamada ne waza. But yes some referee call Mate way too quickly.
This is fantastic. It’s everything I’d been hoping for and more. Just need a few little changes to newaza but I’m so excited. IJF, please do the right thing and adopt this
Wow, Chadi!!! It looks like they Really put a Lot of Thought and Work into these Judo Rules Revisions. Can't wait to see how Shiai / Competition evolves in 2025 and boyond.
Since a Month every friday night aftermy BJJ training it's a routine for me to watch some good old Chadi Judo videos, especially the ones about Masahiko Kimura
Not quite. We need rules for referees to not call mate if for 20 milliseconds nothing happens in ne-waza. Sometimes, you can clearly see at least one of the athletes wants to have some ne-waza action, is making slow and steady progress and ref calls it off anyway.
I'm happy to see a comeback of the leg grabbing, but I believe that we need some other changes in the shiai ruleset if we want a good-looking judo, for example: Extend match durations (5 or 6 minutes could be fine) Eliminate hansoku make for "diving" (honestly: it's a piece of nonsense) Eliminate some prohibitions ( there are 42 ways to get a shido with current times ruleset, too much!) Eliminate or revise the concept of "non combactivity": ok, you should sanction a judoka who refuses the grips and flees away, but you should not punish someone who is just not doing some shitty and useless attacks every five seconds, please give time: judo is about grappling using adaptativility (the meaning of JU in JUdo) not about high pace. And please punish again false attacks made in order to waste time, in the last Olympic Games almost any false attack was sanctioned. Shido for stepping out is a stupid thing too: just bring back this rules as it was some years ago: when the judokas step out the referee gives a mate and the fight restarts in the centre of the mat; everything made before the mate is valid even in outside the fighting area. This is just my humble opinion as a coach and master athlete from Italy, here judo is loved and practiced by many people. Dear Chadi, thank you for all your work.
Still too complex rules. Judo is said to be a martial art. In a fight, you must be ready to be directly attacked to the legs. Some fights are finished in 10 seconds with o-soto-gari, but it's still allowed. The problem is not the techniques but the scoring system.
This is definitely a decent step in the right direction. Maybe because I'm not a pure Judo person, I really don't see why they're always has to be a gripping engagement. If we're looking from a martial arts perspective, it can absolutely open you up to getting hit if you're not very careful.
Its to prevent penalties. A lot of no-gi moves like double legs (morote gari) and single legs are easy to prevent with a gi grip in Judo, and attackers would use it to stall when they were tired. That was one of the problems in the original ruleset.
@@JJDon5150 I do not recall people using double legs to stall. In fact allowing people to attack from a distance stopped negative grip breaking. See my two comments above.
@@oliverfolarin33 by "stalling", i mean people would use it all the time as a false attack knowing it wouldn't score, but as a way to burn time and recover when they were tired. This was one of the reasons for leg grabs originally being banned. Grip fighting is at the core of Judo. Launching an attack from a distance in the gi without grips rarely ever works, even in BJJ where the level of takedowns is much lower.
Not crying his head off ? Abe? Why not abandon the IJF. Their attempt to differentiate judo is crippling this martial art while pathetically emphasizing showmanship.
I did judo from ages 8 to 15. I used to love going for the legs… I quit because it got so boring with the restrictive rules that my dojo imposed on us. They were training us for competitions, not for real self defense
Great channel. You are a very good historian. Sorry if this is a little long but this is the most important topic in Judo. I will split this into two comments as there is a lot to say. Although it is good to see some leg attacks come back, I do not think we should celebrate till the rules are fully reversed. I want to say in advance I am not anti-Judo. See my points 19 and 20 on why Judo is great and why wrestlers started dominating Judo and how to fix it. I am a massive fan and practiced Judo for many years. I also practiced Free style, Greco and BJJ. I practiced Judo first and was a black belt in Judo before I practiced any of the others. I also carried on practicing Judo while I practiced wrestling and BJJ. In fact, it is because I feel judo is getting ruined that I am posting the following. I feel there is some serious unjustifiable bias in Judo when it comes to leg attacks, restricting groundwork, making it harder to perform sacrifice throws, sacrifice submissions, standing arm locks and guard pulling. I have been watching the arguments for removing or restricting them for a while now and I am yet to see a single good point for most of the new rule changes concerning leg attacks, lowering/restricting groundwork, making it harder to perform sacrifice throws, sacrifice submissions, standing arm locks and guard pulling. 1) Leg attacks are a fundamental of Judo. This includes direct attacks on the legs. This strategy for Judo is in Kano's book along with many other leg attacks. Even Mifune shoots in with Morote Gari without a grip. Judo is defined by the founder and with the exception of safety changes there is not really any need to change things. If we do it should be with respect to fighting as this was what Judo was founded on. Definitely not with respect to the Olympic Committee. 2) The most powerful weapon you have on you is your brain. Your hands are the limbs with the greatest connection to your brain. Why would you ignore attacking 50% of the body with your best weapon. This is just daft. 3) Leg attacks and body locks are some of the most practical techniques in Judo. If we watch MMA, I would guess there are more throws/takedowns from leg attacks and body locks than there are from all other forms of throwing put together. It is seriously dishonest to say leg attacks and body locks are not good in fighting. 4) In a real fight it is one of the best ways to get hold of a striker. Trying kumi kata mostly just gets you punched in the face. (I accept there are ways to make this work but they are not statistically as good as leg attacks). Shooting for his legs or gripping his body tight has been shown to be very effective in stopping strikes. You also see this on CCTV of street fights and in Combat Sambo. 5) Attacking the lower body is also one of the best ways to get hold of the upper body without getting hit in a real fight. Attack the lower body then when they sprawl come up to a body lock or under hook. 6) Great players like Isao Okano (the greatest open weight fighter ever) has said he hates the new rules of not attacking the leg. He is also worried about it stopping small people beating large people which is what Judo is all about. How are you meant to grab hold of someone that is 7ft if you are 5ft if you have to reach up for his collar? 7) The same applies to guard pulling. How can I use the strategies by the great Kashiwazki if I cannot pull guard like he did on several occasions. If your groundwork is so pathetic that you cannot deal with a guard puller then it is you that needs to work harder not have a new rule to protect you. 8) I hear arguments that Judo players can defend against leg attacks using kumi kata and hips. This is only the case if they practice it. Also, if this is really true then why not just teach Judo players kumi kata and hips and let people leg attack them. You should want leg attacks if you believe this as it will give you the opportunity to prove kumi kata and hips are a good defence. 9) Keiji Suzuki vs Tuvshinbayar Naidan. This one is for you Chedi. Nidan won this and this was the correct decision. With every exchange but one, Keji ended up on the bottom. Nidan also made five attacks while Keji made none. To say the Nidan was avoiding kumi kata is not a valid point. Nidan was attacking more and looking for the ippon and that is all that matters. Also, he gave us the ippon. It was Keiji's lower body defence that needs improving. Naidan can fight both lower and upper body. When he realised that Keiji could only fight upper body he did the correct thing and switched the fight to lower body attacks only. Great strategy great win. (Yes the throw was not ippon but almost no throw nowadays is. I can show you Keiji Suzuki throws that are not ippon). Both attacking the upper and lower body are two different strategies in Judo. The founder shows both and does not specify that one is better than the other. A good Judo player should know both and use any one to give us the ippon. It is not going for the ippon that should be penalized. It does not matter which of the many strategies in Judo you use. If a freestyle or Collegiate wrestler were to enter, I am sure Nidan would have just attacked the upper body or used one of the many other Judo strategies. If your lower body defence is so bad that you cannot stop someone with a jacket shooting in on you then you deserve to be beaten. It is you that needs to go away and learn to defend the lower body. For the record I think Keiji is one of the greatest judo players in history. If not the greatest. He is the only Olympic heavy weight champ that was not a heavy weight since weight categories were introduced. But this was clearly his weak point. 10) Giving ippon for any throw is another bad point of modern Judo. Ippon should only be for a throw that would have knocked out your opponent or killed them if there were no mats. That is the spirit of ippon and Judo. We should only give Ippon for move that would have ended the opponent. If you look at all the other forms or ippon they are for match ending situations. Osaekomi assumes that if you could hold the person down for 30 seconds (It was 30 secs when I practiced judo) you would have hit him so many times that they would be finished, Arm lock would almost certainly end the fight, choke would kill your opponent. Ippon should be the same. 11) Greco Roman do well in MMA. The only Greco guys that do well are the ones with skills in Free style or Collegiate wrestling. I recall some fighter you your channel saying that Collegiate wrestling was best, then Greco, then Free Style. Collegiate wrestling is even more leg attack orientated. Some Collegiate wrestling coaches even say “do not learn to throw you are better off just attacking the legs”. (I do not agree with this theory) I want to make it very clear here that I am a massive fan of upper body wrestling. The reason player like Randy Couture do well is because they have skills in both upper and lower body wrestling. It is the ability to combine the two that makes the best fighter. 12) If you feel that some wrestling techniques require power and you want to discourage them. The way to do this is by allowing people to do them and defeating them on the Judo mat using Judo concepts. However as mentioned above I do not see these as been exclusively wrestling moves. They have been in Jiu-jitsu before judo existed. There is even an example in Robert Van de Walle’s book ((1993) "Pick-ups" Judo Masterclass Techniques Ippon Books) that shows a very old engraving of a person shooting on his knees. 13) If find it strange the way top Judo player of the past are turning their back on the true original art of Judo just because of the Olympics committee. Neil Adams actually has an entire chapter on leg attacks in one of his books. Also, the technique he demonstrated in the 1999 Judo world championship brochure or the world of Judo magazine for the 1999 world championships was Morote Gari. Shooting from a distance version. For the record Neil was one of my greatest inspirations in martial arts. However, I really cannot agree with him on this subject. 14) The beauty of a throw is in the eyes of the beholder. I for one find a move beautiful if I believe it to be practical in a fight. I do not care if it is spectacular of or not. Hence, I love Morote gari and Te Guruma. I do not like Ippon seoi nage. I think most of the time it will get you in trouble. However, I would never dream of asking to have it banned. If I don't like it, I would simply work on a defence to it and try and stop everyone that tries it on the mat. I would not want any rules helping me do this. If my point is valid, I should be able to win on the mat, not ask for new rules to help me. Saying I should adapt to the new rules is not the correct thinking. The new rules are not Judo. Judo has leg attacks, body locks, standing arm locks sacrifice submissions etc. It is people that cannot defend these that should adapt and learn to defend them. If Ouchi Mata cannot stand up to Morote gari then Ouchi Mata should go. But it should go because it is defeated on the mat not because some rule bans it. The same applies the other way round. If you do not like leg attacks then defeat them on the mat with throws like Ouchi Mata. For the record I love Ouchi Mata. 15) Koresh and Cornish Wrestling do not allow leg attacks with the hands and submissions. If you want to fight without these do not call yourself a Judo player. Go practice Koresh and Cornish Wrestling as that is what you are doing. Continued on my comment above. see points 16 to 20
Very good point, and I agree At the end of the day, if judo wants to be called martial arts, it will have self defense aspects and you can’t leave a hole in your game.
@@Sam-ht4og No, most of the above is not correct. Not going to spend time responding to all of it, but long story short, Judo has success on the world stage because its one of the more viewer friendly grappling arts. People want to see big throws and takedowns. That's also the reason why BJJ has one of the worst, if not the worst overall viewership from the public as a grappling art despite having good growth in the United States. Fact is, no one wants to sit and watch two people methodically grapple on the ground for 5 - 10 mins, especially if there is no risk of big throws or takedowns with guard pulling. I say this as someone who does both BJJ , Judo, and wrestling. If you want to get huge viewership for a sport, you have to have 1. make it look entertaining and 2. have simplified rules. Judo right now does that well for a grappling art BECAUSE of its ruleset. Removing all rules would basically result in tons of penalties and stalling, and not very viewer friendly competitions. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for the return of leg grabs (with a grip first). But allowing straight up leg grabs (like doubles without a grip) is not going to make Judo more exciting and were removed for a reason in the first place. Also, anyone saying wrestlers have dominated against Judoka or in Judo can't be taken seriously. Judo has always been about outgripping your opponent first. Shooting doubles from afar are very easy to defend against, and most wrestlers have no clue about grip fighting. If you want a good explanation from someone with some good credentials, watch the below. ruclips.net/video/4yhZnHj-Es8/видео.html
@@JJDon5150 1) You cannot have it both ways. You cannot say that Judo players know how to counter wrestlers shooting in but also say we should not allow direct attacks on the legs. If you really believe that "Shooting doubles from afar are very easy to defend against" then allow people to do them and prove it. I actually agree with you that a Judo player can counter leg attacks from a distance. Hence I want them in. That way I can prove it. I also want to use them. Kyuzo Mifune used to shoot directly to the legs. People have been shooting directly to the legs in Jiu Jistsu hundreds of years before Judo was invented. We can see this in various documents. It came into Judo from the start of Judo and has always been in Judo till 2010 when they were taken out. That is hundreds of years with not problems of penalties and stalling. If you go back and watch the old matches the penalties were from gripping not leg attacks from a distance. I was practicing Judo since the early eighties. The reason leg grabs were taken out was because people were complaining that wrestlers were dominating Judo. These are the words of the people who wanted to take leg grabs out, not mine. More importantly I pointed out that the only reason this started happening was because of the introduction of the thick jacket. (see my comments earlier). 2) I love guard fighting as Chadi keeps telling us this is one of the inventions from Judo (along with sacrifice submissions). I actually believe guard is the greatest invention of Judo. So why take it out or restrict it. Big throws are found in lots of types of wrestling but guarded submissions based ground work is almost only in Judo. (I accept that there are a few other styles that have guard and submissions.). 3) I also hate the turtle shell. Which is really just there to allow people to take high risks for a big throw then wait for the referee to save them when things go wrong. Isao Okano has also said this has no place in Judo or any martial art. If you cannot get a big throw without having the referee save you then you should not be trying for that big throw. I believe that it is more important to be practical than spectacular. In fact I really do not care at all if we are spectacular. 4) Also I accept that making the sport have more big throws has made it more popular but it is no longer the Judo created by the founder. Hence it is not Judo. You end up with Kurash or Cornish wrestling. Both these sports do not allow attacks with the hands on the legs and have no ground work. 5) I really do not care if people want to watch it or not. I care if it is practical and if it is fun to practice. The more strategies to win the more fun. Making it so the only way I can win is by a big throw makes the practice boring. The great Koga said the reason he likes Judo is to see if he can beat the different strategies around the world using his style of Japanese Judo. He did not want a rule to protect him. He saw fighting wrestlers as a challenge. This is the correct attitude. 6) Also taking out leg grabs make it harder to defeat a big person. As pointed out by the great Isao Okano. So does restricting ground work and submissions. 7) I think the reason we disagree is because we are comming at it from different points of view. I care about the practicality and keeping the historical stategies alive. You care if people want to watch it or not. I do not believe it is a spectator sport. 8) I also believe that all strategies should be allowed and we let the wining strategy win. If you want to take out leg attacks simply learn to counter them. If I want to take out seoi nage I need to learn to counter it. Neither strategy should be given a preference. 9) Having more strategies improves Judo class numbers as it appeals to more people. 10) I actually do not agree that they are not spectacular. I love a mighty Moreote Gari or Te Guruma 11) I do not want simplified rules for an uneducated audience. I want the old Judo rules back. If you do not understand Judo as created by the founder then do not watch it. We do not want you watching us if you cannot take the time to understand us. 12) That was a very nice video you posted by the Sambo guy but it does not disprove anything I said. I agree that all methods shown in his video are nice. But you can still add leg attacks from a distance.
@@oliverfolarin33 I'm not going to respond to all that. You say "prove it", yet we had all those things around prior to 2012, and Judo didn't look noticeably different than it does now. The fact is, there was much more stalling, penalties, and false attacks back then. Neil Adams, who also wrestled and played a big part in changing the rules by eliminating leg grabs, said himself that wrestlers were not a reason for their removal. They were removed because Judo was on the chopping blocks of the Olympics along with wrestling, and spectators thought the two sports were too similar. Wrestling didn't want to change its ruleset, so Judo took one for the team and changed theirs. Again, it had NOTHING to do with wrestlers dominating in Judo. The fact is, the top countries in Judo were still Japan and France, which aren't big wrestling countries (compared to USA or Russia). Also, name one high level wrestler who came over to Judo (without a background in Judo), and suddenly went on a Judo tear at the Olympic level....that's right, they don't exist or are next to none... Requiring a grip before shooting a leg attack still allows for the vast majority of throws, but eliminates taking shots from far out and just diving for legs, which led to tons of false attacks, penalties, and stalling back in the day. It also makes for "ugly, and not spectator friendly" Judo matches.
@@JJDon5150 Again if you feel that they are easy to counter then allow direct leg attacks. Let combat decide rather than opinion. If you feel that Judo did not look much different before the leg attacks were remove then what you are saying is it does not matter so let us directly attack the legs. I was around practicing and watching Judo since the 1980s. I do not recall people using direct leg attacks to stall. The reason for stalling and penalties has always been negative gripping. Direct leg attacks actually produced a score very often. Actually Neil Adams did say that the complaint by the Olympic board was when you look at Judo and Wrestling they looked the same and the leg attack removal was to stop Judo looking like wrestling. Also I do not care about the Olympic. I care about Judo keeping its traditions as they are in the founders book. As mentioned before leg attack have been in Judo since the start and the Olympic board does not have the right to remove them. Neither does any one else. I WOULD MUCH RATHER WE LEFT THE OLYMPICS THAN LET THEM DICTATE THE SPORT TO US. They are in the founders book. He did not have a problem with them. He certainly did not ban them. I also did not say that wrestlers can win in Judo without learning Judo. It is the combination of wrestling and Judo that is so dangerous. However the complaint was that wrestling techniques were dominating the sport. I do not actually agree with this but I will admit since the tight jackets came in the late eighies we were seening more of them. Many fighters like "Arash Miresmaeili", Aleksei Budõlin, Robert Van de Walle all used them. In fact Morote Gari was the favourite move of Robert Van de Walle the 1984 Olympic champ. Before him there were other who loved it. Some of these people did not even study wrestling. They were Judo players that just studied Morete Gari, Te Guruma, Kata Guruma e.t.c.
I think ducking behind uke’s elbow became very common as a defensive move, but it’s not completely illegal. They made it so you can do it as long as you attack immediately. The other grips are allowed, you just have 3-5 seconds to attack.
@SerafRhayn I don't like these restrictions in judo. It's not as simple as doing BJJ instead: I want a repertoire of takedowns which BJJ doesn't have. Judo groundwork is a bit lacking but hypothetically it's better as you get less time doing ne-waza so the submissions are faster (in theory anyway; in reality judo matches have a low submission rate)
I noticed this pamphlet has a political activist angle. Is it possible that Kano was a socialist? It seems likely given his inclination towards internationalism, mutual welfare and efficiency. I read that his kids were arrested by Imperial Japan for being leftists. I think it's probable but i've never seen any concrete evidence.
I have never been taught nor felt that he was a socialist. In Japan, there are various martial arts, many of which are based on the aesthetics of the strong protecting the weak. I believe that, in an era where swords and other weapons were being banned, this approach allowed martial arts to take root in society without being ostracized.
Continued from my previous comment. 16) Negative Judo. I think Judo is more negative without leg attacks and body locks. Now someone can just keep breaking grips and I cannot do anything about it. Before if he put his hands on mine to break my grip I could shoot in on him with a leg attack or a body lock. 17) Groundwork, sacrifice throws, sacrifice submissions, standing arm locks and guard pulling are as much a part of Judo as big throws. A Judo world without them would not be Judo. Chokes were my favourite part of judo long before UFC1. They were also the favourite of one of my instructors . 18) There is a serious problem with people wanting to encourage big throws. This push gained momentum in the late 1980's and ruined the sport. It made a set of rules that were artificially pro stand-up big throws and very anti groundwork. This was not good at all. Judo is judo. It is not there to be spectacular, please the Olympic committee, or be dumbed-down for a bunch of spectators who do not practice the sport. If you do not like Judo do not change it. Leave the sport it is clearly not for you. This new version of Judo is really no fun to practice and is killing Judo clubs. I do not want to fight heavy weights on the mat every week if the rules are strategically in their favour. They already have a weight advantage why do they need a strategy advantage as well. 19) The reason Judo is so great is you have various up and lower body throws, body lock throws, takedowns, guard pulling, sacrifice submissions, sacrifice throws e.tc. You also have combinations of these strategies like sacrifice throws to guard fighting or takedowns to chokes and armlocks etc. It has so much to offer. Why restrict the system to just big upper body lapel and sleeve throws only. That is crazy. 20) If you want to know why wresting techniques started dominating Judo from the late 1980's to 2010 the reason is because they started allowing thicker jackets to stop choke specialists from dragging people down and choking them. This is another great strategy that is not allowed any more. The same applies to sacrifice submissions, standing arm locks and guard pulling. These were the ways judo player stopped wrestlers. The removal of these strategies was the biggest mistake in Judo. This opened the door for wrestlers to come in. Also, it made many Jacket throws like Morote seoi nage hard to do. I believe Isao Okano also commented on this. Bring back the thin jackets. Also bring back sacrifice submissions, standing arm locks and guard pulling and you will see Judo beat everyone on the Judo mat using Judo without any rules changes needed. There were wrestlers before judo was invented. But we never had a problem beating them till the thick jackets came in in the late 1980's.
All your points are the reasons Helio Gracie had to diverge from the "judo" system. Today we have Jiu-Jitsu which is nothing more than real Judo. Just as you said, jiujiteiros beat all the wrestlers and judokas.
@@JiuJitsuCampSJC That's incorrect. The Gracie's didn't diverge from Judo because of any of the above. They did it because 1. The Gracie's were never that good at standing throws or takedowns as they only have maybe a year or two of actual Judo training, and 2. they were genius' at marketing and wanted to create a niche for themselves. There's a reason why there were no Judoka invited to UFC 1. Gracie's have always had issues facing Judoka in the past dating back to Kimura and the Ono brothers. BJJers aren't out here beating up on all the Judoka either. What matters the most is what ruleset you're competing under. BJJers aren't out here beating up all the wrestlers, Judoka, or Sambo guys lol. Who wins really comes down to 1. ruleset, and 2.crosstraining (at this point). I say this as someone who does BJJ too. To even claim that sport BJJ's ruleset is more open than the other grappling rulesets isn't true either when there are aspects that vary by competition to competition (reaps, jumping guard, kani basami, etc.). Lets not forget that pulling guard was not something the Gracie's originally did, but is now all over sport BJJ. Robert Drysdale explains all of the REAL history behind the Gracie's and Judo in his book, "Opening the Closed Guard." Thinking that BJJ is superior to Judo is straight up false, even with Judo's current ruleset. Both have their applications.
@JJDon5150 we see a lot, I mean a lot of guard pulling in any top Judo competition, sutemi waza I believe they call it. Jiu-Jitsu rules you can do all the Judo you want, not scored the same but all legal. And the best part, least referee interference of all grappling arts. Don't you agree? And in the end of the day there are lots of jiujiteiros with great stand up ( judo and wrestling) , but no judokas or wrestlers that are great with their back on the mat. Imho cheers 🥋🍍🔥😀
@@JiuJitsuCampSJC This must not be a serious response lol. Yes, there are sacrifice throws in Judo. Sumi Gaeshi and Tomoe Nage are effectively guard pulls, but the big difference is that you have to actually off balance your opponent or else its a penalty. Sacrifice throws are also not even close to being the most done throws in Judo. So no, we don't see "a lot" of sacrifice throws in top level Judo competitions. They're probably top 10 - 15, but not close to being top 5. Second, there are way more beginner Judoka and high level Judoka who have come over to BJJ than BJJers going to Judo. Have you ever heard of Royler Gracie, Paulo Filho, Amaury Bitetti, Zé Mario Sperry, Saulo Ribeiro, Dave Camarillo, Leonard Leite, Satoshi Ishii, Moacir Mendes Jr, Travis Stevens, Rhadi Ferguson, Ricardo Liborio, Flavio Canto, Ricardo Herriot, Ronda Rousey, or Ffion Davies? Name we half as many BJJers who have gone from BJJ to win high level competitions in Judo and I'll be impressed (Hint: There aren't many, and none have won an Olympic title either). Last, BJJ comes from Judo. I know you must be trolling if you don't think a high level athlete in Judo doesn't have a good ground game lol.
@@JJDon5150 @JiuJitsuCampSJC First I want to say thanks to both of you for your replies to my comments. My original comments are not about the history of BJJ and Judo. I practiced Judo, Wrestling, Bjj. However this is about if we should allow the full set of leg attacks in Judo. Also should we reverse the rules back to how they were in the days of players like Katsuhiko Kashiwazaki i.e. To their original form. I started practicing in the early 1980s and over the years I have not been impressed with the constant simplification of the rules in the name of making the sport more spectacular and for money. The rules have changed so much I cannot recognise the sport. It is more like Kurash or Cornish Wrestling than the Judo I started with. When I started all my coaches we masive fans of ground work. (In fact it was not unknown for Judo stats to have more ground work wins, though it was never as much a BJJ). The sport was full of ground fighters like Katsuhiko Kashiwazaki, Sato, Okano, e.t.c. Now it is all about massive big throws. Let us keep to debating if the old rules should be returned not Judo vs BJJ. Yes there are still sacrifice throws in Judo but the new rules have made them a lot harder. You can very easily get penaliser for them. I want to see things back as they were in the 1960s and 1970s.
I admit leaving judo was a bad idea I admit I can't stand the fact I am training judo at a mcdojo place because the old rules were a joke and not able to grab legs and some techniques were less of effective and I lost interest.judo I admit the 90's rules I like I hope they bring back morote gari because some throws u would have to learn from Japanese ju jutsu and Japanese ju jutsu the ranks can transfer to judo only difference self defense vs sport and judo beat ju jutsu.
@ how you do stand upright when I’m ready to take your leg? Why would you do upright techniques when I’m ready to counter you Teguruma? I don’t understand where you get this optimism from that things will be different this time. I didn’t forget the time till 2011. I know how judo looked outside of the highlight reels. We‘re going back to our toxic ex with bad posture
If so, that is the part of judo, and there are always counters to it. It is about who is a more comprehensive Judoka, not ignoring half of your body. Kano won't be happy seeing what current olympics judo has become. @thomass.4007
@@thomass.4007 one, leg grabs are easy to shut down if you have good grips on the gi. Especially if established grips are required prior to attempting a leg grabbing technique. If you let that happen, you deserve to get single/double legged. Two, so what? Te guruma slaps. It's one of the best techniques in judo. I'd be glad to see more of them
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This is a full revival, I was expecting something like "just a grip under the belt is ok" but the Kodokan is not even shying away from Morote, only making it sensible for competition
@@danielmontilla1197 I’m loving it!!! About time.
Это тупик😂😢😅жаль дзюдо мы его любили!
This is good progress but far from a full revival. See my two comments above.
glad to see judo becoming more of a martial art again.
It always was.
@@halfabapandmusketthe word 'more' implies a continuous spectrum, not a fixed truebor false statement.
Be outraged somewhere else.
@@cadkls sssh.
These rules really are great. I do hope that the kodokan releasing the rules before the IJF influences positively in the making of the new olympic rules.
Thanks for the video
As a Judoka from the 1980/90ies, I see this as a win for the martial art and for it's aplication in self defence.
This is beautiful Judo, I can only love it. Grip fighting, counterthrows, sacrificial throws and more groundfighting is back on the menu.
Exciting!
Cannot wait for the Ijf to follow,i hope....
thank you Chadi
Hey Chadi. The way i interpret the new rules is that attacking the legs is okay, as long as it is aiding in completing a throw. Very interested to see how judo evolves as a result to these changes.
Now all we need it to also allow for more ground time and we have the complete art again
@@chrisgk7494 if the action is continuous the fight in the ground will continue, look up Shori Hamada ne waza. But yes some referee call Mate way too quickly.
Totally agree with that! Would love to see the sport embrace all 3 positions. Stand up, top and bottom!!
so its basically bjj without chokes then
@@kingartifex what?
@@kingartifexWhat are you on about: there are loads of chokes and strangles in judo.
I'm glad cause I was not watching judo bc it was just a tripping game. Now, I'm watching again. Make judo great again. Thanks.
Make Judo great again!
This is fantastic. It’s everything I’d been hoping for and more. Just need a few little changes to newaza but I’m so excited. IJF, please do the right thing and adopt this
Wow, Chadi!!! It looks like they Really put a Lot of Thought and Work into these Judo Rules Revisions. Can't wait to see how Shiai / Competition evolves in 2025 and boyond.
@@bartofilms 100%
Incredible! I would love a quick update about the reverse seio nage but still amazing
Looks exciting and promising.
Since a Month every friday night aftermy BJJ training it's a routine for me to watch some good old Chadi Judo videos, especially the ones about Masahiko Kimura
3:16 - of course it's gorgeous! It's Ryoko Tani.
I’m glad to see this update. It is very positive!
They should release a video rulebook of all legal throws. Would make it a bitbeasier to understand what the judges are judging.
"The perfect judo ruleset doesn't exist"
The perfect judo ruleset:
Not quite. We need rules for referees to not call mate if for 20 milliseconds nothing happens in ne-waza. Sometimes, you can clearly see at least one of the athletes wants to have some ne-waza action, is making slow and steady progress and ref calls it off anyway.
@2eanimation yeah, I made the comment only as a joke, we need to make a lot of changes to ne-waza
Let's hope these will be the new international rules. I'm so hopeful...
I love this rules!!
I'm happy to see a comeback of the leg grabbing, but I believe that we need some other changes in the shiai ruleset if we want a good-looking judo, for example:
Extend match durations (5 or 6 minutes could be fine)
Eliminate hansoku make for "diving" (honestly: it's a piece of nonsense)
Eliminate some prohibitions ( there are 42 ways to get a shido with current times ruleset, too much!)
Eliminate or revise the concept of "non combactivity": ok, you should sanction a judoka who refuses the grips and flees away, but you should not punish someone who is just not doing some shitty and useless attacks every five seconds, please give time: judo is about grappling using adaptativility (the meaning of JU in JUdo) not about high pace. And please punish again false attacks made in order to waste time, in the last Olympic Games almost any false attack was sanctioned.
Shido for stepping out is a stupid thing too: just bring back this rules as it was some years ago: when the judokas step out the referee gives a mate and the fight restarts in the centre of the mat; everything made before the mate is valid even in outside the fighting area.
This is just my humble opinion as a coach and master athlete from Italy, here judo is loved and practiced by many people. Dear Chadi, thank you for all your work.
Still too complex rules. Judo is said to be a martial art. In a fight, you must be ready to be directly attacked to the legs. Some fights are finished in 10 seconds with o-soto-gari, but it's still allowed. The problem is not the techniques but the scoring system.
This is definitely a decent step in the right direction. Maybe because I'm not a pure Judo person, I really don't see why they're always has to be a gripping engagement. If we're looking from a martial arts perspective, it can absolutely open you up to getting hit if you're not very careful.
Its to prevent penalties. A lot of no-gi moves like double legs (morote gari) and single legs are easy to prevent with a gi grip in Judo, and attackers would use it to stall when they were tired. That was one of the problems in the original ruleset.
@@JJDon5150 I do not recall people using double legs to stall. In fact allowing people to attack from a distance stopped negative grip breaking. See my two comments above.
@@oliverfolarin33 by "stalling", i mean people would use it all the time as a false attack knowing it wouldn't score, but as a way to burn time and recover when they were tired. This was one of the reasons for leg grabs originally being banned.
Grip fighting is at the core of Judo. Launching an attack from a distance in the gi without grips rarely ever works, even in BJJ where the level of takedowns is much lower.
Hey Chad, really appreciate your videos! Is there any expectation of putting your book into Kindle library? Greetings from Brasil!!!
Fuck yeah, we can finally see more styles and with this rule set there’s more chances for lighter guys beating heavier guys.
Good stuff
are you going to make a video on the new additions that just came out from ijf? sounds like they will also allow leg grabs
@@Drikkerbadevand sure
ijf应该赶紧跟上全日本的规则 不能让泰迪那样的选手再发展了。他两米的身高在垫子上直立却不能攻击他的下半身 让任何外人看到都是荒谬的
Согласен 👍
Not crying his head off ? Abe?
Why not abandon the IJF. Their attempt to differentiate judo is crippling this martial art while pathetically emphasizing showmanship.
We have this also in karate
I did judo from ages 8 to 15. I used to love going for the legs… I quit because it got so boring with the restrictive rules that my dojo imposed on us. They were training us for competitions, not for real self defense
I will bet ....Anno domini 2026 we welcome this rules worldwide.
I love❤
Great channel. You are a very good historian.
Sorry if this is a little long but this is the most important topic in Judo.
I will split this into two comments as there is a lot to say.
Although it is good to see some leg attacks come back, I do not think we should celebrate till the rules are fully reversed.
I want to say in advance I am not anti-Judo. See my points 19 and 20 on why Judo is great and why wrestlers started dominating Judo and how to fix it. I am a massive fan and practiced Judo for many years. I also practiced Free style, Greco and BJJ. I practiced Judo first and was a black belt in Judo before I practiced any of the others. I also carried on practicing Judo while I practiced wrestling and BJJ. In fact, it is because I feel judo is getting ruined that I am posting the following.
I feel there is some serious unjustifiable bias in Judo when it comes to leg attacks, restricting groundwork, making it harder to perform sacrifice throws, sacrifice submissions, standing arm locks and guard pulling.
I have been watching the arguments for removing or restricting them for a while now and I am yet to see a single good point for most of the new rule changes concerning leg attacks, lowering/restricting groundwork, making it harder to perform sacrifice throws, sacrifice submissions, standing arm locks and guard pulling.
1) Leg attacks are a fundamental of Judo. This includes direct attacks on the legs. This strategy for Judo is in Kano's book along with many other leg attacks. Even Mifune shoots in with Morote Gari without a grip. Judo is defined by the founder and with the exception of safety changes there is not really any need to change things. If we do it should be with respect to fighting as this was what Judo was founded on. Definitely not with respect to the Olympic Committee.
2) The most powerful weapon you have on you is your brain. Your hands are the limbs with the greatest connection to your brain. Why would you ignore attacking 50% of the body with your best weapon. This is just daft.
3) Leg attacks and body locks are some of the most practical techniques in Judo. If we watch MMA, I would guess there are more throws/takedowns from leg attacks and body locks than there are from all other forms of throwing put together. It is seriously dishonest to say leg attacks and body locks are not good in fighting.
4) In a real fight it is one of the best ways to get hold of a striker. Trying kumi kata mostly just gets you punched in the face. (I accept there are ways to make this work but they are not statistically as good as leg attacks). Shooting for his legs or gripping his body tight has been shown to be very effective in stopping strikes. You also see this on CCTV of street fights and in Combat Sambo.
5) Attacking the lower body is also one of the best ways to get hold of the upper body without getting hit in a real fight. Attack the lower body then when they sprawl come up to a body lock or under hook.
6) Great players like Isao Okano (the greatest open weight fighter ever) has said he hates the new rules of not attacking the leg. He is also worried about it stopping small people beating large people which is what Judo is all about. How are you meant to grab hold of someone that is 7ft if you are 5ft if you have to reach up for his collar?
7) The same applies to guard pulling. How can I use the strategies by the great Kashiwazki if I cannot pull guard like he did on several occasions. If your groundwork is so pathetic that you cannot deal with a guard puller then it is you that needs to work harder not have a new rule to protect you.
8) I hear arguments that Judo players can defend against leg attacks using kumi kata and hips. This is only the case if they practice it. Also, if this is really true then why not just teach Judo players kumi kata and hips and let people leg attack them. You should want leg attacks if you believe this as it will give you the opportunity to prove kumi kata and hips are a good defence.
9) Keiji Suzuki vs Tuvshinbayar Naidan. This one is for you Chedi. Nidan won this and this was the correct decision. With every exchange but one, Keji ended up on the bottom. Nidan also made five attacks while Keji made none. To say the Nidan was avoiding kumi kata is not a valid point. Nidan was attacking more and looking for the ippon and that is all that matters. Also, he gave us the ippon. It was Keiji's lower body defence that needs improving. Naidan can fight both lower and upper body. When he realised that Keiji could only fight upper body he did the correct thing and switched the fight to lower body attacks only. Great strategy great win. (Yes the throw was not ippon but almost no throw nowadays is. I can show you Keiji Suzuki throws that are not ippon). Both attacking the upper and lower body are two different strategies in Judo. The founder shows both and does not specify that one is better than the other. A good Judo player should know both and use any one to give us the ippon. It is not going for the ippon that should be penalized. It does not matter which of the many strategies in Judo you use. If a freestyle or Collegiate wrestler were to enter, I am sure Nidan would have just attacked the upper body or used one of the many other Judo strategies. If your lower body defence is so bad that you cannot stop someone with a jacket shooting in on you then you deserve to be beaten. It is you that needs to go away and learn to defend the lower body. For the record I think Keiji is one of the greatest judo players in history. If not the greatest. He is the only Olympic heavy weight champ that was not a heavy weight since weight categories were introduced. But this was clearly his weak point.
10) Giving ippon for any throw is another bad point of modern Judo. Ippon should only be for a throw that would have knocked out your opponent or killed them if there were no mats. That is the spirit of ippon and Judo. We should only give Ippon for move that would have ended the opponent. If you look at all the other forms or ippon they are for match ending situations. Osaekomi assumes that if you could hold the person down for 30 seconds (It was 30 secs when I practiced judo) you would have hit him so many times that they would be finished, Arm lock would almost certainly end the fight, choke would kill your opponent. Ippon should be the same.
11) Greco Roman do well in MMA. The only Greco guys that do well are the ones with skills in Free style or Collegiate wrestling. I recall some fighter you your channel saying that Collegiate wrestling was best, then Greco, then Free Style.
Collegiate wrestling is even more leg attack orientated. Some Collegiate wrestling coaches even say “do not learn to throw you are better off just attacking the legs”. (I do not agree with this theory)
I want to make it very clear here that I am a massive fan of upper body wrestling. The reason player like Randy Couture do well is because they have skills in both upper and lower body wrestling. It is the ability to combine the two that makes the best fighter.
12) If you feel that some wrestling techniques require power and you want to discourage them. The way to do this is by allowing people to do them and defeating them on the Judo mat using Judo concepts. However as mentioned above I do not see these as been exclusively wrestling moves. They have been in Jiu-jitsu before judo existed. There is even an example in Robert Van de Walle’s book ((1993) "Pick-ups" Judo Masterclass Techniques Ippon Books) that shows a very old engraving of a person shooting on his knees.
13) If find it strange the way top Judo player of the past are turning their back on the true original art of Judo just because of the Olympics committee.
Neil Adams actually has an entire chapter on leg attacks in one of his books.
Also, the technique he demonstrated in the 1999 Judo world championship brochure or the world of Judo magazine for the 1999 world championships was Morote Gari. Shooting from a distance version. For the record Neil was one of my greatest inspirations in martial arts. However, I really cannot agree with him on this subject.
14) The beauty of a throw is in the eyes of the beholder. I for one find a move beautiful if I believe it to be practical in a fight. I do not care if it is spectacular of or not. Hence, I love Morote gari and Te Guruma. I do not like Ippon seoi nage. I think most of the time it will get you in trouble. However, I would never dream of asking to have it banned. If I don't like it, I would simply work on a defence to it and try and stop everyone that tries it on the mat. I would not want any rules helping me do this. If my point is valid, I should be able to win on the mat, not ask for new rules to help me. Saying I should adapt to the new rules is not the correct thinking. The new rules are not Judo. Judo has leg attacks, body locks, standing arm locks sacrifice submissions etc. It is people that cannot defend these that should adapt and learn to defend them.
If Ouchi Mata cannot stand up to Morote gari then Ouchi Mata should go. But it should go because it is defeated on the mat not because some rule bans it. The same applies the other way round. If you do not like leg attacks then defeat them on the mat with throws like Ouchi Mata. For the record I love Ouchi Mata.
15) Koresh and Cornish Wrestling do not allow leg attacks with the hands and submissions. If you want to fight without these do not call yourself a Judo player. Go practice Koresh and Cornish Wrestling as that is what you are doing.
Continued on my comment above. see points 16 to 20
Very good point, and I agree
At the end of the day, if judo wants to be called martial arts, it will have self defense aspects and you can’t leave a hole in your game.
@@Sam-ht4og No, most of the above is not correct. Not going to spend time responding to all of it, but long story short, Judo has success on the world stage because its one of the more viewer friendly grappling arts. People want to see big throws and takedowns. That's also the reason why BJJ has one of the worst, if not the worst overall viewership from the public as a grappling art despite having good growth in the United States. Fact is, no one wants to sit and watch two people methodically grapple on the ground for 5 - 10 mins, especially if there is no risk of big throws or takedowns with guard pulling. I say this as someone who does both BJJ , Judo, and wrestling. If you want to get huge viewership for a sport, you have to have 1. make it look entertaining and 2. have simplified rules. Judo right now does that well for a grappling art BECAUSE of its ruleset. Removing all rules would basically result in tons of penalties and stalling, and not very viewer friendly competitions.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for the return of leg grabs (with a grip first). But allowing straight up leg grabs (like doubles without a grip) is not going to make Judo more exciting and were removed for a reason in the first place. Also, anyone saying wrestlers have dominated against Judoka or in Judo can't be taken seriously. Judo has always been about outgripping your opponent first. Shooting doubles from afar are very easy to defend against, and most wrestlers have no clue about grip fighting.
If you want a good explanation from someone with some good credentials, watch the below.
ruclips.net/video/4yhZnHj-Es8/видео.html
@@JJDon5150
1) You cannot have it both ways. You cannot say that Judo players know how to counter wrestlers shooting in but also say we should not allow direct attacks on the legs. If you really believe that "Shooting doubles from afar are very easy to defend against" then allow people to do them and prove it.
I actually agree with you that a Judo player can counter leg attacks from a distance. Hence I want them in. That way I can prove it. I also want to use them.
Kyuzo Mifune used to shoot directly to the legs. People have been shooting directly to the legs in Jiu Jistsu hundreds of years before Judo was invented. We can see this in various documents. It came into Judo from the start of Judo and has always been in Judo till 2010 when they were taken out. That is hundreds of years with not problems of penalties and stalling. If you go back and watch the old matches the penalties were from gripping not leg attacks from a distance. I was practicing Judo since the early eighties.
The reason leg grabs were taken out was because people were complaining that wrestlers were dominating Judo. These are the words of the people who wanted to take leg grabs out, not mine.
More importantly I pointed out that the only reason this started happening was because of the introduction of the thick jacket. (see my comments earlier).
2) I love guard fighting as Chadi keeps telling us this is one of the inventions from Judo (along with sacrifice submissions). I actually believe guard is the greatest invention of Judo. So why take it out or restrict it. Big throws are found in lots of types of wrestling but guarded submissions based ground work is almost only in Judo. (I accept that there are a few other styles that have guard and submissions.).
3) I also hate the turtle shell. Which is really just there to allow people to take high risks for a big throw then wait for the referee to save them when things go wrong. Isao Okano has also said this has no place in Judo or any martial art.
If you cannot get a big throw without having the referee save you then you should not be trying for that big throw. I believe that it is more important to be practical than spectacular. In fact I really do not care at all if we are spectacular.
4) Also I accept that making the sport have more big throws has made it more popular but it is no longer the Judo created by the founder. Hence it is not Judo. You end up with Kurash or Cornish wrestling. Both these sports do not allow attacks with the hands on the legs and have no ground work.
5) I really do not care if people want to watch it or not. I care if it is practical and if it is fun to practice. The more strategies to win the more fun. Making it so the only way I can win is by a big throw makes the practice boring. The great Koga said the reason he likes Judo is to see if he can beat the different strategies around the world using his style of Japanese Judo. He did not want a rule to protect him. He saw fighting wrestlers as a challenge. This is the correct attitude.
6) Also taking out leg grabs make it harder to defeat a big person. As pointed out by the great Isao Okano. So does restricting ground work and submissions.
7) I think the reason we disagree is because we are comming at it from different points of view. I care about the practicality and keeping the historical stategies alive. You care if people want to watch it or not.
I do not believe it is a spectator sport.
8) I also believe that all strategies should be allowed and we let the wining strategy win. If you want to take out leg attacks simply learn to counter them. If I want to take out seoi nage I need to learn to counter it. Neither strategy should be given a preference.
9) Having more strategies improves Judo class numbers as it appeals to more people.
10) I actually do not agree that they are not spectacular. I love a mighty Moreote Gari or Te Guruma
11) I do not want simplified rules for an uneducated audience. I want the old Judo rules back. If you do not understand Judo as created by the founder then do not watch it. We do not want you watching us if you cannot take the time to understand us.
12) That was a very nice video you posted by the Sambo guy but it does not disprove anything I said. I agree that all methods shown in his video are nice. But you can still add leg attacks from a distance.
@@oliverfolarin33 I'm not going to respond to all that. You say "prove it", yet we had all those things around prior to 2012, and Judo didn't look noticeably different than it does now. The fact is, there was much more stalling, penalties, and false attacks back then.
Neil Adams, who also wrestled and played a big part in changing the rules by eliminating leg grabs, said himself that wrestlers were not a reason for their removal. They were removed because Judo was on the chopping blocks of the Olympics along with wrestling, and spectators thought the two sports were too similar. Wrestling didn't want to change its ruleset, so Judo took one for the team and changed theirs. Again, it had NOTHING to do with wrestlers dominating in Judo. The fact is, the top countries in Judo were still Japan and France, which aren't big wrestling countries (compared to USA or Russia). Also, name one high level wrestler who came over to Judo (without a background in Judo), and suddenly went on a Judo tear at the Olympic level....that's right, they don't exist or are next to none...
Requiring a grip before shooting a leg attack still allows for the vast majority of throws, but eliminates taking shots from far out and just diving for legs, which led to tons of false attacks, penalties, and stalling back in the day. It also makes for "ugly, and not spectator friendly" Judo matches.
@@JJDon5150 Again if you feel that they are easy to counter then allow direct leg attacks. Let combat decide rather than opinion. If you feel that Judo did not look much different before the leg attacks were remove then what you are saying is it does not matter so let us directly attack the legs.
I was around practicing and watching Judo since the 1980s. I do not recall people using direct leg attacks to stall. The reason for stalling and penalties has always been negative gripping. Direct leg attacks actually produced a score very often.
Actually Neil Adams did say that the complaint by the Olympic board was when you look at Judo and Wrestling they looked the same and the leg attack removal was to stop Judo looking like wrestling.
Also I do not care about the Olympic. I care about Judo keeping its traditions as they are in the founders book. As mentioned before leg attack have been in Judo since the start and the Olympic board does not have the right to remove them. Neither does any one else.
I WOULD MUCH RATHER WE LEFT THE OLYMPICS THAN LET THEM DICTATE THE SPORT TO US.
They are in the founders book. He did not have a problem with them. He certainly did not ban them.
I also did not say that wrestlers can win in Judo without learning Judo. It is the combination of wrestling and Judo that is so dangerous. However the complaint was that wrestling techniques were dominating the sport. I do not actually agree with this but I will admit since the tight jackets came in the late eighies we were seening more of them. Many fighters like "Arash Miresmaeili", Aleksei Budõlin, Robert Van de Walle all used them. In fact Morote Gari was the favourite move of Robert Van de Walle the 1984 Olympic champ.
Before him there were other who loved it.
Some of these people did not even study wrestling. They were Judo players that just studied Morete Gari, Te Guruma, Kata Guruma e.t.c.
"Negative Judo" in newaza needs to be recognized.
The rules judo deserves and needs.
So what does this mean? Will all/most Judo clubs around the world teach leg grabs or is it only in Japan?
Будем надеяться, что дзюдо вернеться и комы, что создали выдумщики из судейской коллегии.
Why aren't you allowed to duck behind uke's elbow or use grips like double collar, same side, etc. ?
I think ducking behind uke’s elbow became very common as a defensive move, but it’s not completely illegal. They made it so you can do it as long as you attack immediately. The other grips are allowed, you just have 3-5 seconds to attack.
@SerafRhayn I don't like these restrictions in judo. It's not as simple as doing BJJ instead: I want a repertoire of takedowns which BJJ doesn't have. Judo groundwork is a bit lacking but hypothetically it's better as you get less time doing ne-waza so the submissions are faster (in theory anyway; in reality judo matches have a low submission rate)
What everyone thought. This is the technique of Judo.
New Old Rules :)
Good move for judo.....
How about the refereeing method?
Underwhelming video is already out 😂
I noticed this pamphlet has a political activist angle. Is it possible that Kano was a socialist? It seems likely given his inclination towards internationalism, mutual welfare and efficiency. I read that his kids were arrested by Imperial Japan for being leftists. I think it's probable but i've never seen any concrete evidence.
I have never been taught nor felt that he was a socialist. In Japan, there are various martial arts, many of which are based on the aesthetics of the strong protecting the weak. I believe that, in an era where swords and other weapons were being banned, this approach allowed martial arts to take root in society without being ostracized.
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Continued from my previous comment.
16) Negative Judo. I think Judo is more negative without leg attacks and body locks. Now someone can just keep breaking grips and I cannot do anything about it. Before if he put his hands on mine to break my grip I could shoot in on him with a leg attack or a body lock.
17) Groundwork, sacrifice throws, sacrifice submissions, standing arm locks and guard pulling are as much a part of Judo as big throws. A Judo world without them would not be Judo. Chokes were my favourite part of judo long before UFC1. They were also the favourite of one of my instructors .
18) There is a serious problem with people wanting to encourage big throws. This push gained momentum in the late 1980's and ruined the sport. It made a set of rules that were artificially pro stand-up big throws and very anti groundwork. This was not good at all. Judo is judo. It is not there to be spectacular, please the Olympic committee, or be dumbed-down for a bunch of spectators who do not practice the sport. If you do not like Judo do not change it. Leave the sport it is clearly not for you. This new version of Judo is really no fun to practice and is killing Judo clubs. I do not want to fight heavy weights on the mat every week if the rules are strategically in their favour. They already have a weight advantage why do they need a strategy advantage as well.
19) The reason Judo is so great is you have various up and lower body throws, body lock throws, takedowns, guard pulling, sacrifice submissions, sacrifice throws e.tc. You also have combinations of these strategies like sacrifice throws to guard fighting or takedowns to chokes and armlocks etc. It has so much to offer. Why restrict the system to just big upper body lapel and sleeve throws only. That is crazy.
20) If you want to know why wresting techniques started dominating Judo from the late 1980's to 2010 the reason is because they started allowing thicker jackets to stop choke specialists from dragging people down and choking them. This is another great strategy that is not allowed any more. The same applies to sacrifice submissions, standing arm locks and guard pulling. These were the ways judo player stopped wrestlers.
The removal of these strategies was the biggest mistake in Judo. This opened the door for wrestlers to come in. Also, it made many Jacket throws like Morote seoi nage hard to do. I believe Isao Okano also commented on this.
Bring back the thin jackets. Also bring back sacrifice submissions, standing arm locks and guard pulling and you will see Judo beat everyone on the Judo mat using Judo without any rules changes needed. There were wrestlers before judo was invented. But we never had a problem beating them till the thick jackets came in in the late 1980's.
All your points are the reasons Helio Gracie had to diverge from the "judo" system. Today we have Jiu-Jitsu which is nothing more than real Judo. Just as you said, jiujiteiros beat all the wrestlers and judokas.
@@JiuJitsuCampSJC That's incorrect. The Gracie's didn't diverge from Judo because of any of the above. They did it because 1. The Gracie's were never that good at standing throws or takedowns as they only have maybe a year or two of actual Judo training, and 2. they were genius' at marketing and wanted to create a niche for themselves. There's a reason why there were no Judoka invited to UFC 1. Gracie's have always had issues facing Judoka in the past dating back to Kimura and the Ono brothers. BJJers aren't out here beating up on all the Judoka either. What matters the most is what ruleset you're competing under. BJJers aren't out here beating up all the wrestlers, Judoka, or Sambo guys lol. Who wins really comes down to 1. ruleset, and 2.crosstraining (at this point). I say this as someone who does BJJ too. To even claim that sport BJJ's ruleset is more open than the other grappling rulesets isn't true either when there are aspects that vary by competition to competition (reaps, jumping guard, kani basami, etc.). Lets not forget that pulling guard was not something the Gracie's originally did, but is now all over sport BJJ.
Robert Drysdale explains all of the REAL history behind the Gracie's and Judo in his book, "Opening the Closed Guard." Thinking that BJJ is superior to Judo is straight up false, even with Judo's current ruleset. Both have their applications.
@JJDon5150 we see a lot, I mean a lot of guard pulling in any top Judo competition, sutemi waza I believe they call it. Jiu-Jitsu rules you can do all the Judo you want, not scored the same but all legal. And the best part, least referee interference of all grappling arts. Don't you agree? And in the end of the day there are lots of jiujiteiros with great stand up ( judo and wrestling) , but no judokas or wrestlers that are great with their back on the mat. Imho cheers 🥋🍍🔥😀
@@JiuJitsuCampSJC This must not be a serious response lol. Yes, there are sacrifice throws in Judo. Sumi Gaeshi and Tomoe Nage are effectively guard pulls, but the big difference is that you have to actually off balance your opponent or else its a penalty. Sacrifice throws are also not even close to being the most done throws in Judo. So no, we don't see "a lot" of sacrifice throws in top level Judo competitions. They're probably top 10 - 15, but not close to being top 5.
Second, there are way more beginner Judoka and high level Judoka who have come over to BJJ than BJJers going to Judo. Have you ever heard of Royler Gracie, Paulo Filho, Amaury Bitetti, Zé Mario Sperry, Saulo Ribeiro, Dave Camarillo, Leonard Leite, Satoshi Ishii, Moacir Mendes Jr, Travis Stevens, Rhadi Ferguson, Ricardo Liborio, Flavio Canto, Ricardo Herriot, Ronda Rousey, or Ffion Davies? Name we half as many BJJers who have gone from BJJ to win high level competitions in Judo and I'll be impressed (Hint: There aren't many, and none have won an Olympic title either).
Last, BJJ comes from Judo. I know you must be trolling if you don't think a high level athlete in Judo doesn't have a good ground game lol.
@@JJDon5150 @JiuJitsuCampSJC First I want to say thanks to both of you for your replies to my comments.
My original comments are not about the history of BJJ and Judo. I practiced Judo, Wrestling, Bjj. However this is about if we should allow the full set of leg attacks in Judo. Also should we reverse the rules back to how they were in the days of players like Katsuhiko Kashiwazaki i.e. To their original form.
I started practicing in the early 1980s and over the years I have not been impressed with the constant simplification of the rules in the name of making the sport more spectacular and for money.
The rules have changed so much I cannot recognise the sport. It is more like Kurash or Cornish Wrestling than the Judo I started with.
When I started all my coaches we masive fans of ground work. (In fact it was not unknown for Judo stats to have more ground work wins, though it was never as much a BJJ). The sport was full of ground fighters like Katsuhiko Kashiwazaki, Sato, Okano, e.t.c. Now it is all about massive big throws.
Let us keep to debating if the old rules should be returned not Judo vs BJJ.
Yes there are still sacrifice throws in Judo but the new rules have made them a lot harder. You can very easily get penaliser for them. I want to see things back as they were in the 1960s and 1970s.
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Chadi have you done a video on this?
This is judo with kicks and punches as you know. judo on the ground
Applied techniques (Ne waza) were also used.
@harunherten181 no this is jiu jitsu. This is literally the father of judo
If you add kicks and punches to judo, it becomes MMA as you know it.
@@harunherten181 no
I hope the comment about not crying his head off wasn’t a snipe at Abe Uta
While we're at it - can we diversify the IJF board? Im sure they're all fantastic but it needs more
I admit leaving judo was a bad idea I admit I can't stand the fact I am training judo at a mcdojo place because the old rules were a joke and not able to grab legs and some techniques were less of effective and I lost interest.judo I admit the 90's rules I like I hope they bring back morote gari because some throws u would have to learn from Japanese ju jutsu and Japanese ju jutsu the ranks can transfer to judo only difference self defense vs sport and judo beat ju jutsu.
Gonna be bending, crouching and dropping again…
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@ how you do stand upright when I’m ready to take your leg? Why would you do upright techniques when I’m ready to counter you Teguruma?
I don’t understand where you get this optimism from that things will be different this time. I didn’t forget the time till 2011. I know how judo looked outside of the highlight reels. We‘re going back to our toxic ex with bad posture
If so, that is the part of judo, and there are always counters to it. It is about who is a more comprehensive Judoka, not ignoring half of your body. Kano won't be happy seeing what current olympics judo has become. @thomass.4007
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@@thomass.4007 one, leg grabs are easy to shut down if you have good grips on the gi. Especially if established grips are required prior to attempting a leg grabbing technique. If you let that happen, you deserve to get single/double legged.
Two, so what? Te guruma slaps. It's one of the best techniques in judo. I'd be glad to see more of them
A step in the right direction and hopefully the IJF follows.