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I want to add a different perspective to your critique on the monopoly of the IOC. I agree with you the Olympic Dream is farce as the values resembles judo value but the IOC handling financialy and its sport politics is a complete monopoly also its politics is a bureaucracy that selective few Excecutive Board Members would take the most important decissions and at any chance they have would travel the world on a gravy train 950 USD per diem to take does decissions (not voluntary work as they would like you to think, even that is a farce because the Olympics is a business of days for them). The monopoly of IOC even plays out on National Olympic Committee were country government as of many national federations have to comply to NOC and being recognized as NOC member first in order to become a member of the IJF. The NOC control so much at national level that even Government and it Ministry of Sport have very little to say in some cases they sport are funded by government but NOC controls how it is distrubited in the national federations. At first light this is not a problem because you will think there is a seperation of power but this is not the case and once because if objectives of government and NOC misaligned, the allocation of funds and it uses will mis align to for example NOC want medals and ministry of sport want development. For countries with little sources of funds this is a big problem as top athletes will deplete all the yearly budget creating vaccuum or void for development. I think that this problem will kill eventually even bigger countries as it is the snake that eats its tale situation.
For those who criticize leg grabs as promoting "ugly" judo, I ask this: "What demonstrates better judo: leg grabs or baiting shidos to win by penalties?" The answer should be obvious.
I went in trying to be sympathetic to the system of shidos, but seeing the heavyweight finals on both the men and womens side end by shido was so disappointing… Now that Wrestling is on afterwards i really do wonder if adopting a ruleset closer to it would make Judo easier to follow as a spectator. Its really a shame to want the sports to be sufficiently different in their rules especially when we already have FS and GR as wrestling categories
@@christian_k_e yeah sorry i shouldve clarified i meant the -100kg Ms and -78kg Ws; the broadcast called the open weight “super heavyweight” - Teddy Riner’s ippon was still crazy impressive, i think theres a lot to enjoy about the sport as a spectator even with the rules as is
Just that it isn't the ban on "hands below the beltline" that causes this shitshow: It really is the castration of the scoring system; during these olympics, "i" haven't seen a single throw that would've been more than a (generous) Yuko, i.e. even a bazillion of those should never end a fight - by nowadays' scoring system though, those butchered throws were awarded "Ippon"... (disclaimer: I haven't watched all the time, "maybe" there were legit Ippons too; "I" haven't seen any though) Now, in a situation in which every single "successful" throw is bound to be atleast a Waza-ari, it becomes somewhat intuitive to search for ways to stall/prevent a proper fight - Olympics are a special event after all, and no contender wants it to end prematurely for him/her. Add the weird way of how "defensiveness" is evaluated, and you have your way around a deserved loss. (activity in Kumi Kata is completely ignored, and turning in/dropping down for a throw WITHOUT even a single hand on the opponent's gi is considered "an offensive maneuvre" - while, infact, it has "0" chance to be effective due to "no grip", and solely serves the purpose to hinder the opponent from doing "anything" whilst he/she infact has achieved a grip; it's basically PREVENTING Judo from happening. This completely evasive and defensive "tactic" led to a sh1t-ton of Shidos and decided whole matches "thanks" to the "great" referees and the "even greater" current ruleset... It "should" have decided matches - "attempting" a throw with precisely zero chance of pulling it off is the thing that should get penalized though, i.e. the use of that "tactic" should've led to dq's.) Only for completeness purposes, leg grabs: Single/double leg take downs are neither needed, nor appealing to watch. Unless Tori overpowers Uke by a fair margin, Morote Gari would only serve as a transition to Ne Waza. Just, in today's scoring system, that'd be an instant Waza-ari. Cool story, a botched pseudo-tackle makes up for a half-point-score already... (I competed for almost10 years from mid-90's to mid 2000's. I've seen, felt, executed Morote Gari more than plentiful - it isn't missed by me. Kuchiki Taoshi... similar story, just that it "atleast" can be used as an easy-mode Kuzushi for O/Ko Uchi Gari instead of "just being a tackle". However, "i" can't recall having seen it "live" even once in a tournament - in order to lift Uke's leg, Tori needs to either overpower, or outperform Uke so much that really "any" throw would suffice instead as well.) Now, the way the IJF handled things - "no grip below the beltline" - also hit Kata Guruma, Te Guruma. For the first, great "no leg"-versions have arisen since then though - which are significantly more practicable in a bout than the "base version". And well, Te Guruma... The competitive use of this throw caused more concussions (on Tori's side) than any other throw in Judo history, it was somewhat ok'ish to ban it for safety reasons ("i" would've preferred a solution similar to Daki Age while it was still allowed - completed lift = Ippon; if one wanted to be 100% on the safe side, nevertheless performed throw = Hansoku Make).
@@alldarin1464you're wrong about that. Many countries practice kendo / kumdo, way more than some of the ridiculous sports in these Olympics. Not to worry, after the disgrace of the Paris Olympics, sporting organisations are better off sticking with their own world championships.
@@jarodchong99 They may practice, but everyone knows that no one has a chance of winning except for Japan and Korea. The only time Japan didn't win was in 2006 when they lost to USA in the semifinals, and the USA went on to lose to Korea in the final. So while on paper there are a lot of countries that participate, the population and strength disparity is such that it's basically a guaranteed gold and silver for Japan and Korea.
You can get free accounts at judo tv, there’s just nothing on free to air. But these days half of the “free to air” sports have most of their matches on a paid app anyway
Tv (cable or sat) is getting pretty irrelevant and is slowly disappearing. TVs arejust giant monitors for the internet streaming and gaming now. You can certainly watch way more judo online and Judo gets way more exposure on instagram RUclips etc also it gets a lot of eyes through other arts like bjj wrestling mma etc
And again, I have to agree with Chadi. Here in Brazil many people got angry with some of the results because how many shidos were being applied. It's hard to see people from outside the judo community complain about how horrible it is to watch judo nowadays.
It became so boring and uninteresting. I've been trying judo for years, if I never had stopped I'll be a brown belt by now, as a fellow Brazilian you know how much we love this sport. But watching it in the Olympics is so... Ridiculous, really. I rather see Greco-Roman and freestyle these days.
I’m only just a green belt, but my sensei are all red and white belts except for one. They consistently talk about how leg grabs should be allowed back in judo and they often teach us how to do the legs too in order to maintain the legacy of judo so that when we get our black belts and we become sensei that we can teach our future students as well. I also practiced jujutsu and I am a three striped blue belt. When we do free rolls in jiu-jitsu, I often find myself dominating using judo either with using regular throws or leg attacks. I feel like incorporating a much more advanced ground game into judo we would see the resurgence of leg attacks in the professional circles. And I also think for judo in order for it to succeed against other grappling martial arts that are becoming more popular such as Brazilian jiu-jitsu and recreational wrestling. We need to reincorporate leg attacks and we need to start having younger people put on no GI Judo classes and quite possibly tournaments.
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Teddy Riner wouldn't be as dominant if leg grabs were still allowed. Leg grabs are the equalizer between the smaller player and the larger ones. Plus, we're missing out on some exciting Judo.
Agree. Fighting U60kg, leg grabs were so effective taking down the big guys. I preferred fighting the big heavy weights because they were relatively easy to defeat.
@@charlesmcneilly8817 There is no program called "USMC Judo". MCMAP does included some judo but I have never been at all impressed with the students they produce. A black belt only requires 40 hours of training. From what I've seen the MACP is better training than MCMAP, based on the service members I've trained with.
It's worth mentioning how the IJF forces competitors to stay at their designated hotels which charge astronomical ammounts for a night stay, a competitor friend told me a night is around $300 and you can't compete if you don't stay there! Maybe some athletes are sponsored, but some of countries where judo has less funding go to competitions with money from their own pockets.
If Judo is destroyed or water down internationally it would resurface in Japan in full strength due to national pride,_losses in mma and competitions,a country known for combatives and the effectiveness of grappling over all..... Another nice video, insightful as always.
No, the Jodoka could revise their strategies so as not to exploit "the rule set" unnecessarily, as well. Just because you can do a thing doesn't mean you must.
@@TheMap1997 Bullshit, it was judokas who wanted leg grabs banned because wrestlers were winning judo competitions. The ban was officially introduced by the International Judo Federation (IJF) in 2010, with the aim of encouraging judokas to focus more on traditional judo throws and techniques".
Because all grappling *is* some form of wrestling. To argue otherwise is either semantic games--or pretentiousness. (Rather like "we're too good for the Olympics, it's ruining us." No other sport--*no* other sport--would even think of saying "take us out.")
Even though I did enjoyed the Team Judo Finals (gave them a shot on Sunday Night), I couldn't agree more with everything shared in this video. Thank you so much for making my day, but more than anything for sharing your knowledge and everlasting passion and respect for this sport. Ladies and gentlemen, Judo, Combat Sports, Sports in general and even the entire the world needs more amazing people like Sensei Chadi. Thank you for standing up for what the sport of Judo truly means to begin with for the benefit of all of us. Much love, respect and appreciation from Puerto Rico!
I would like to see some stress on the distinctions of types of Judo so it’s not just “Olympic Judo” People could then compete in other rule sets and when it comes to the Olympics only then do you practice for that rule set. Just like wrestling has styles like Greco, freestyle, catch, folk… etc. or MMA has different rule sets per organization. Judo was an art for 82 years before it was in the Olympics. So it can be argued it was not initially a sport. Jigoro Kano did want Judo in the Olympics but there was nothing that he stated saying he wanted it to “become a sport” Its induction was to showcase the art. The Olympics came with obvious positives and negatives. There are many people and countries whose only exposure to Judo is during the Olympics. It’s simply a grand stage of showcase. For Judo to be practiced and done in its entirety there needs to be more emphasis on Judo outside the Olympics… but that doesn’t mean removal.
the ijf turned judo back into judo. the upright stance is foundational, and before 2010 it was watered down by wrestling techniques and stances turning is into some rando freestyle wrestling rather then the art of judo
@ronaldjr3092 they said soccer, which is only said in America. You said football, which is what it's called everywhere else. Are we not talking about the sport where you kick a ball
$2000 per minute of footage…wow. Yall remember when the IJF tried to send Judo Highlights a bill? Honestly gives me the same vibes. I used to pay only $25 per month to my dojo up till 2023 until they finally had to raise their price a tiny amount due to inflation.
They're all so "risk averse" that they play "not to lose" via the rules, rather than trying to "win" on merit and ability. It's pure cowardice at its core. Everyone who is awarded a medal under these conditions should be ashamed of themselves.
@@lildragon0 No, they don't have to play the "Shido Game", if they don't want to. Nobody wants to watch to "rules lawyers" try to win on "technicalities". They're a disgrace.
@@KarlKarsnarkAt the highest level of any sport, people play to win. They don't play to win stylishly or by ippon; they play to win. If they don't then they are at a disadvantage against those who do. If the current ruleset rewards risk-aversion then that's what you will see because no one is interested in missing out on an Olympic medal just so that you can be entertained. I think blaming the athletes for that doesn't make much sense.
@@Gabriel-sm7ev The athletes have so much more influence than people give them credit for. They are not just random fools at the mercy of judges/organizers. They could absolutely help things change in the right direction if they were more outspoken instead of just accepting anything. UFC recent rules change to bring back 12-6 elbow and change grounded fighter definition is a great example. That only happened because of mass popularity and influence on the organizers. There is absolutely a blame on athletes that can win under the counterproductive rulesets and just have a "me me me" mindset once they win not wanting to change the meta and risk losing.
Depends. A lot of the shidos are good imo. Getting penalties for not engaging or just dropping to avoid a potential attack come to mind. The bigger issue to me is that the heavyweight categories reward heaviness to the point that a lot of them just can’t lift anyone in the division to throw them, and it then turns into a shido game. I didn’t watch every fight in every division, but there was a division where I only saw shidos, except for one fighter who stuffed up going for a yoko otoshi and got rolled over. There wasn’t nearly as much of a problem in the lighter weight classes
I am a yellow belt with just over a year experience and at this point I'm nearly completely disinterested in sport judo. My Sensei had a great idea to start skipping out on competitions and just start holding smaller clubs competitions.
The problem isn’t the Olympics, the problem is the IJF. Wrestling and wrestlers are widely praised. Even Olympic boxing is managing to find an identity. But the IJF is just hell bent on creating an extraordinarily convoluted rule set.
Chadi, nice content! Judo is a competition oriented sport and sometimes taht's a problem. For ex., If you want to kill ne waza, just make the rules aganst it, and in 15 years the new athletes won't do anything on the ground. That's the case with leg grabs nowadays. Back in the 90s, early 2000s, leg grabs were just another move you might ou might not use. If you leg grab a 20yo guy today during a training session (as I did), it's almost insulting for then, like a "dirty move". So those guys, who are young, strong and competitive don't even bother to do anything that it is "against the rules", despite it is pure judo. Shido game is a "according to the rules" strategy (and mindset) and, thus, a valid way of fighting. I think the shido cases should be restricted to the only a few unacceptable cases, which do not includes making bad moves with bad grips just to make "volume" and win by shidos.
Chadi, I think you said it all: the values put in practice by the IOC largely diverge from Judo’s values. In fact, the IOC of today does not reflect either the values of the ancient Greek Olympiads or the modern ones from since Coubertain; in a similar fashion, one cannot say that the IJF of today fully reflects Kano’s Judo values. The Olympic Games became an entertainment business. Of course Judo having joined the Olympiads brought unparalleled diffusion to the sport (sadly, practically only to the sports side of Judo) but at some moment in time the IJF yielded to the entertainment-related absurd requests of the IOC, and from then on we all know the story of how Judo became increasingly crippled (amputated, as you said, is a good word also). Judo desperately needs to go back to its Japanese roots!
to be fair i thought judo at the olympics was bad at first but then i watched other combat sports like taekwondo and greco and was reminded it could be so much worse
The only thing that works consistently of Karate in MMA is precisely Olympic Karate The rest comes down to Karatecas fighting Muay Thay and Kick Boxing and calling it Karate... OR DOING SOMETHING THAT NO LONGER WORKS AND IS DATED... Lyoto Machida, the best Karateka in the history of MMA, what he brought Karate elements to MMA was EVERYTHING, from Sports Karate, the rest was not Karate
@@PauloSilvaX But that Karate still has the same principles as original karate, that's why it's karate, but I do agree that it does seem like kickboxing and muay thai, but how much different should it be, there's only so many ways you can kick and punch
@@PauloSilvaX Katsunori kikuno using his traditional goju-ryu karate and winning would seem to debunk that. also realistically if karatekes end up looking like kickboxers, that's not necessarily an argument against karate. if someone can derive kickboxing or muay thai from a pure karate base, then karate would be just as valid as muay thai or kickboxing.
@@yamiyomizuki Original Karate and original Jiu-jitsu are practically the same thing... the same mix of Chinese techniques, one practiced in Oknawa and the other in Japan And the way of fighting was IDENTICAL, some strike and as soon as possible GRAPLER... like Aikido... As soon as he went to the ground, control and ground and pound to finish the fight... when possible, finish with twists Shotokan COMPLETELY ADULTERED KARATE.... imitating Boxing, the grapler is almost entirely eliminated, what used to be at least 2/3 of the fight strategy... grapler Karas become IMPRACTICAL CINEMATIGRAPHIC FANTASIES, Jiu-jitsu now becomes Judo, a wrestler's sport using the projection techniques of ancient Jiu-jitsu... The main difference was that in FEW SCHOOLS people practiced grapler on the floor (the current bjj) ... and this was taken to Kodokan and disappeared from Jujutsu styles, because they were very poorly preserved, many styles are nothing more than late recreations based on Judo, as happened in most Jutsus with its recreation after the DO versions had already fulfilled their political role and falsifying Japan's own history in heavy social REengineering... BushiDO, KarateDO, Jujutsu/Judo, Kenjutsu/Kendo, etc... Karate began as a NATIONALIST FRAUD, JUST LIKE JUDO, and all arts that changed from jutsu to DO... Karate Combate is a return to the origins of Kick Boxing, which has its origins in SHOTOKAN Karate... but that uses BOXING BASIS, inserting Shotokan Karate techniques into them... When someone wins using Gonu Ryu, I think it's very difficult, it would end almost like aikido... or with blunt blows in close range, like iron body training... Most people train in whatever style of karate they are and then in the heat of the fight it all turns into Kick Boxing or Sports Shotokan... Remembering that Shotokan was created inspired by Boxing but is not based on boxing, the base is even like sword fighting, and Kick Boxing is already the second exchange with boxing where the basis of Karate and Shotokan disappears and the Boxing base enters, enters and exits, positioning, guard, continue, fight based on angles and all boxing punches... Jabs based...etc... Combat Karate is the most limited Kick Boxing in terms of rules to have less influence from Muay Thay...And Muay Thay is also the "Muay Boran" at the base of Boxing, but because it was done much earlier, this mix is much more organic and with many more original elements developed in "Boxe Thay", which would be the more accurate name... There are a lot of FALSE things in Japanese history that, due to Asian fascination and exoticism, are swallowed without ANY HISTORICAL VERIFICATION, because "WOULD IT BE COOL IF IT WAS TRUE"... But ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING THAT HAS "DO" in the end is a historical fraud created by JAPANESE NATIONALISM, just as Hitler and Mussolini created a "glorious past that never existed", and SUPERIOR ethnic philosophy that had never actually existed either... the Japanese did the same... and they put DO at the end of the name of everything they did this to...
You don't have to practice the olympic judo style just because it is in the olympics , there are many places that practice by other rulesets- you don't like it you don't watch it, end of story. Having olympic status only makes the martial art more alive and even is an incentive to preserve the traditional judo too. Judo pre-leg-grab ban isn't going anywhere, most dojos still practice it, and you have to know them if you wanna be a higher dan.
Hi Chadi. You mentioned Neil Adam in Lex Fridman's podcast, but it seems to me that he agrees with the leg ban in favor of a more traditional upright dinamic judo. Am I right?
I don’t agree with reason number 1, because it actually is special. One of the points of the whole IJF world tour is to qualify for the Olympics. Judokas actually plan parts of their world tour around that. Also of course the Olympics being only every four years and very selective makes them very difficult to win and very prestigious. It’s really something different from a preparation standpoint and with what’s at stake. I can also understand that many don’t like the fact that only one athlete per country can take part, but on the other hand it really shows the Olympic spirit, makes the medal standing and athletes competing really diverse, more people from smaller countries get the chance to represent their country. (Also the IOC really liked that and the fact that it’s has more countries winning medals than even swimming and Judo is third in nations competing really makes it an essential part of the Olympics from the understanding of the IOC) Reason 2 is definitely a reason to dislike the IOC but not a reason for Judo to not be in the Olympics anymore. In my opinion the Olympic values and the Judo values that are promoted definitely align with each other, when it comes to sportsmanship, respect and so on. The fact that the IOC doesn’t really act according to these values, but rather in their own interest is nothing special when it comes to sports federations. It’s the same with the IJF. The IJF and especially the people in it don’t act the way they act because of Judo values but because of money, but that’s the fact in every sport. Look at the FIFA, UEFA, Nfl, NBA, NHL, MLB and so on literally anyone. They all act because they want to earn money. Of course that’s not good, but no one will be changing that as long as money is as important as it is in our current world order. Also the Olympics is a monopoly yes, but the IJF is too. And that’s not even a bad thing for the viewers because, because we get to see all the best athletes compete against each other under one ruleset and one federation. For the viewers the monopoly really isn’t that bad. The licensing issue of course is, but that’s not a reason for a whole sport to leave the Olympics Reason 3: So the leg grabs and Shido argument again… Leg Grabs promote a non upright posture. It didn’t look good. No one wants spamming leg grabs it’s even worse than the shitty drops we have seen at the Olympics. However I will convince no one in the comment section when it comes to leg grabs so I will just put something positive out there for every leg grab enthusiast. I heard rumors that they are thinking about becoming more lenient when it comes to gripping below the belt. Referees are allegedly not satisfied with the fact that there have been attacks that were really good but were given a Shido due to the grip being a bit below the belt. They obviously don’t like that because it punishes the active Judoka. So maybe there will be a new idea by the IJF of how to implement an upright posture while still allowing gripping below the belt. I don’t know however if that’s true and how far they will go. So now the Shido topic. Yes fights being won by Shido is a problem. However since 2016 there has been improvement when it comes to that. The IJF also hates wins by Shidos they constantly try to make them less likely. This Olympics were pretty good to be honest. There have been many scores. The ruleset requires one to be active. Of course there is the glaring issue of false attacks, bad dropping and half attacks, which way to often were counted as being active due to the ruleset. However I can promise you that the IJF has seen that issue too, hated it and will go after people not attacking without an intent to throw when they change the rules. Golden Score is something good because I want to see a throw and hate decisions. Decision aren’t often clear and Judges hate them too by the way. Decision are like wins by three inactivity Shidos and often even less deserved. I want to see a throw that’s why golden score is great. Also the Olympics is not the major factor when it comes to rules. The IJF is so Judo leaving the Olympics probably wouldn’t change much of the ruleset.
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As I have said before, Judo community needs to do the same thing as Brazilian Jiu Jitsu . Different organizations with different rule sets. All you need is a county hosting judo matches with more common sense. That way, Olympics and IJF will loose their monopoly.
I don’t understand the policies of the IJF. For instance, why do they penalize leg grabs instead of strictly enforcing penalties for kakenige? The problem lies in stalling tactics disguised as moves like morote-gari, not in the leg grabs themselves. The same goes for judging techniques. The current judgment seems to prioritize whether the shoulder touches the tatami, without considering the context. Why is a throw without control or power considered waza-ari just because the shoulder touches the mat, while a powerful, controlled throw is invalid if the shoulder doesn’t touch?(murao sanshiro final) Is this to eliminate discrepancies in judgment between referees? By neglecting the vague but crucial standard of the throw’s power, the competition is becoming nonsensical.
Just to shine a little light on the issue of money and athletes, etc., from my limited experience, it's not necessarily the IJF fault. I put a lot of blame on the IOC. Before I started training in judo, I did taekwondo for a little while. I had the opportunity to participate in an 'instructor exchange program' that my instructor and his best friend in Korea were experimenting with. I was there during the '08 Olympics. One of my instructor's students won a gold medal. A few weeks after the games, it was announced my instructor's student would make an appearance at 'TKD Day' at a park in Seoul. My instructor was a part-time TKD professor at Korea National Sports University where he had trained his student Cha Dongmin, and made arrangements with other staff to take his private dojang students to meet Cha. We went that day with all of the kids from the dojang (dojo), and when we got there, the IOC staff escorting Cha turned our instructor away. He himself wasn't even allowed to approach Cha and congratulate him. Cha was now IOC 'property' basically, with IOC staff and even security. It was like that until the IOC tour was complete, and Cha was released by the committee. My TKD instructor was infuriated of course, and embarrassed because he had to go back to explain to a lot of upset parents why their kids didn't come home with pictures and autographs of them and Cha. Bureaucracy sucks sometimes...but when it comes to judo, and money and bureaucracy, I don't see much difference between the IOC and the IJF. But if you want to cut ties between IOC and judo, then might as well get rid of the IJF too...not sure how that would be possible (for international competition).
I completely agree Chadi, the no replay thing is a complete shame.... How can these athletes work at their craft forever and they cant even have replays... To be honest the athletes should be paid a decent amount as the Olympics makes a TON of money.
The focus on competitive randori to the exclusion of everything else is the root sickness of judo. I've noticed that most, not all, successful judo competitors just plain suck. They do drop seoi-nage over and over, repeatedly slamming their knees into the mat, and if they screw it up, no worries, they lay on their belly and defend for ~5 seconds until the referee stands them back up. How do you think someone like this will perform in a real fight where they are forced to defend their lives? Watch the UFC fight between Remco Pardoel and Royce Gracie. Pardoel fell right in to Gracie's trap. Royce worked his way around to Remco's back with a bear hug and Remco reflexively attempted a forward throw at the wrong time (because no worries the referee will stand us back up), Royce dropped his weight bringing the larger man down and took Remco's back while Remco did not roll over to face him even though he easily could have. The referee didn't save Remco and so he gave up. That's your judo champion in a nutshell. Judo was originally designed as the most effective training method to learn martial arts. The founders of judo recognized that the one characteristic of a fighter, everything else being equal, that would determine more than any other who will win the fight is not speed, strength, stamina, or technique. The #1 characteristic that makes the superior fighter is his EXPERIENCE FIGHTING. So they placed emphasis on live training against a resisting opponent over running pre-arranged drills where uke is compliant. You can see the effectiveness of this training method on display in the early UFC where BJJ and wrestling dominated all the various karates and kungfus. In fact, practitioners of striking arts never had a chance until the UFC introduced more rules, time limits, and rounds. This is not because grappling is superior to striking, but for the high risk of injury associated with kick boxing it is a rare occurrence for a fighter to train striking techniques to an expert level of proficiency The problem with fighting as a means of training is the risk of severe injury that comes with fighting. So the founders placed limits on the range of techniques in randori that could be used to reduce the risk of injury. No punching or kicking, no eye gouging or biting. If you look back to the 1890's training you will see that judoka still trained the dangerous techniques, but not in randori. Randori was limited to 67 less brutal techniques which a man could spend his entire life studying and never master all of them. When Funakoshi arrived in Japan with his karate, the Japanese saw that it was a superior training method for punching and kicking compared to what they were doing at the time and so, in the Japanese way, adopted it as their training method and Judo schools stopped practicing striking techniques. Brazilian jiujitstu (which uses the same philosophical approach to training as judo because it evolved from it) focuses 90% of the time on ground fighting with stand up techniques practiced at most BJJ schools amounting to poorly performed judo and wrestling techniques where tori clinches then falls over. The founders of judo frowned upon this approach and preferred that students become proficient in stand up fighting first and then learn the ground game. Their reasoning was that if a student becomes successful at ground fighting first, he will not put the effort into learning standup fighting. It seems they were right about this tendency of past success limiting progress, but the sword cuts both ways. Most judoka refuse to fight on the ground at all, but especially when they are placed into a disadvantageous position. Judo has evolved into being exclusively big throwing techniques, because this is what is required to win trophies and medals. Judo has abandoned the concept of training the superior fighter while BJJ practitioners regularly train for and compete in MMA. For this reason, isn't the BJJ culture closer to that of original 1890's judo than is 'modern judo'? Slamming your opponent on the ground is just one way of winning a fight... ONE. You can also punch, kick, head butt, eye gouge, neck crank, strangle, smother, break fingers, etc, to win a fight as well. The problem with judo randori as an Olympic sport is that the Olympic games is in the minds of most people a very big deal. The Olympics is in fact not a big deal at all and to be frank, it's quite gay. It's frustrating going to a dojo to train and having to deal with guys who wrongly think they have a chance at winning an Olympic medal when they are just not built for it. To compete at the Olympic level you have to excel at tossing guys around and thus must have a high degree of natural talent which most men lack, if a man doesn't possess the right physique he can't compete at that level. This doesn't mean you can't train to become a judo expert. Instead of fighting hard to win (whether stand up or on the ground) within the limits of randori, the average judoka will point out every mistake you make that will get you penalized in a tournament. I'm setting up a triangle choke on this guy and he's telling me the way I am gripping the end of his sleeve is illegal. He doesn't even understand that the reason this grip is penalized in judo is because it is not a throwing grip and can only be used to stall in stand up fighting. On the ground it's completely different as I was not trying to make a strong pull to unbalance him but was simply moving his arm from one side to the other. The culture of the judo community has degenerated greatly from the time of it's founding in the 1890's to the point now where grabbing a leg is illegal in randori. This was not done for safety reasons like the banning of kani basami (leg scissors) but for completely retarded reasons that don't make sense. Just like in every other aspect society, the wrong men are in authority over the cultural narrative. I think trying to bring judo back from it's zombified state will be a fruitless endeavor, just let it die. Instead going against the behemoth International Olympic Committee and trying to fix judo, at this point focus should be placed on introducing more stand up fighting technique opportunities to BJJ. This can be done simply by changing the rules of BJJ competition by scoring guard pulling as a takedown in favor of the opponent as so many BJJ players' answer to fighting judoka is to pull guard or to sit down on the mat and butt scoot (aka dog drags ass on rug). Pulling guard is such a bad habit among BJJ players because even if a man is an expert at fighting from the bottom position, the bottom position is still disadvantageous as he must fight against gravity as well as his opponent. In a self defense situation pulling guard is likely to result in getting your head stomped. Willingly placing oneself in the bottom position is almost as bad as a judo champion's habit of lying face down during a fight waiting for the referee to save him. Thanks for listening to my TED talk.
@@monkpato He out weighed Royce by 85 pounds and he knew how to fight on the ground. Remco could have won but when Royce put him under pressure by forcing him make a failed throw attempt, Remco reflexively did what he always does in that scenario which is to turtle up and wait for the referee to save him.
The focus on competitive randori is not the problem, but rather the particular ruleset they are training for. Competition is what makes makes the great martial arts great. Other than that I agree with you.
@@difficult_aardvark If it's a sport, then it should still be a simulation of a real fight. The original intent of organizing a randori tournament was to determine who had the best training methods. Striving to win trophies and medals for bragging rights is anathema to the original intent of the founders of judo. Like I stated in the first paragraph of my TED talk, most, not all, judo champions suck at fighting because they take advantage of the rules of the sport to win trophies and medals. (repeated drop seoi-nage and turtling) One fix for competitive randori, that will never happen, would be to make the rear mount score osaekomi so if a judoka tries to turtle up for a reset he could suffer a defeat. Judo is basically a dead martial art at this point, it is not going to improve, it will only get worse until it becomes not much different from an arm wrestling match. Let it be dead.
I started training judo again after 10year break. The new rules have weakened the martial art. Not to be able to touch the leg is just ridiculous. My previously go to techiniques are now illegal - kouchi + leg grab and ouchi combo (Neil Adams), katagaruma with arms and its variations allowing radical changes in direction, seonage with arm assist on the leg by Nakanishi and sukui-nage as a brilliant counter technique.These are very effective techniques that can no longer be taught. It simply weakens the martial art. I agree rugby tackling someone (morote-gari) or just grabbing the leg like kuchiki-taoshi or kibisu-gaeshi without some form of ashiwaza is not great judo, get rid of that but come on, no legs? Neil Adams was one of the most beautiful judokas in the history of the sport, and his classic book Olympic Judo Throwing Techniques has kouchi + leg grab sequence on the cover and it's just spectacular. Very sad state of affairs.
I dont support judo either any more The decision favouring france over Japan was a bloody joke , just another point of contention in these ridiculous Olympics.
I hate all the rule changes. There were just to many rules already. Then they made all the gripping rules and after that leg grab rules. Judo needs to grow, develop and change. If they make 100 thousand rules to keep that from happening it will eventually kill the art.
hello Chadi , i think you do an incredible job by educating us about judo , i myself though that i knew quite a bit about the history of judo but i have to admit that you beat me big time . Continue to educate us about this great art . i was reading about The Great Shiro Saigo yesterday and his famous yama harashi , and the conflict with sensei Kano . One day if you find the time im sure you ll tell the all storie , i learned that he destryed a sumo wrestler and killed him , and thats why he had to leave the kodokan . thank you for everything . As they said in the series cobra kai about myagi do , you can say that about judo it has been there long before us , and be long after we are gone , the roots are strong the tree will survive.
It makes no difference unfortunately. Why? Karate is NOT in the olympics and it's been completely watered down. And they watered down even more to get to the olympics and fotunatelly it did not made to the olympic games.
Karate isn't watered down from what it is outside of Japan. Karate in the west is fraudulent, the problem with karate is that the techniques are too dangerous to practice live so they never learn how to fight. Everyone in Japan has judo experience so all karateka in Japan know what it means to be in a fight. In the west, most karate senseis are glorified baby sitters.
In America what we need more than anything is a judo super fight series like Polaris, shown on the UFC platform or another place associated with real fighting. The branding for judo in the US is all wrong for attracting adult practitioners, although it's still a good alternative to more mainstream youth sports
I agree. The Olympics limits the talent pool for each sport and it's essentially a battle of soft power between different countries. It's a lot of nationalism. Countries have a vested interest in showing the world how dominant they are. You're right. That flies in the face of judo's ideal of mutual prosperity.
You are not wrong but the biggest problem is corruption. The corruption within the IOC (relating to everything from choice of the olympic destination to corrupt judges) is simply astronomical.
I think that it's not so much that judo values conflict with Olympic competitiveness as it is that they conflict with the system of capitalism . Capitalism will be inclined to color everything that it impacts , including the practice of judo .
During the summer my club usually takes a break, so for the first time this year I decided to train a bit in BJJ and well, that was an eye opening experience. It was very much close to the old judo I remember from back when I started some 30+ years ago. With leg grabs and lots of ne waza without the ref interrupting you with a matte immediately. And more importantly, I realized why young people all around the world are not attracted by judo anymore and want to practice BJJ and MMA instead: IJF judo doesn't teach you to be a fighter. It doesn't train you to be ready in an instant if something bad happens in the streets. It doesn't teach you kime anymore. It only teaches you to draw shidos and win by hansoku make. The IOC and the IJF will kill judo for good, unless it is finally taken out of the olympics and becomes a true art again, instead of an useless sleeve gripping contest.
Chadi… The same Track and field athletes also compete in the same competitions and for world championships annually in preparation for the Olympics. So your argument about judo only having the world tour being good enough is a weak argument since other sports follow the same format just fine. The Olympics are great. It’s exciting and raises the stakes so high.
Chadi, the bigger question is, what is the IOC’s goal? I’d be very interested in someone taking on the massive project to decipher how offensive players were in my generation versus the current. If the IOC is looking for more fandom, then they are potentially negating their purpose. If someone can prove, based on that data, that judo has become less offensive and dynamic based the trajectory of the data and the IOC still pressures these restrictions to remain, then the IJF should consider your arguments here. Or, potentially open up a freestyle division synonymous with Greco vs freestyle wrestling. Then the interest will speak for itself and the truer styles of judo can remain and be salvaged over time.
It's Neil Adams, not Niki as your video shows at time stamp 10:24. The modern Olympic Games, just like the FIFA World Cup, are huge global events that are primarily geared to make wealthy people even more money. It's a business, a greedy business, even a corrupt business, probably rife with money laundering too; so we shouldn't be surprised by many of the things you say. Judo is the main event for me at the Olympics, but this year has been very disappointing, apart from a few exceptions. The IOC interfere too much for political reasons or sponsor pressure or just to do it their own way and ignore the world bodies that usually organise and manage these sports. This Olympics will become known as "the shido Olympics" as far as Judo is concerned. The golden score shambles is another thing that needs fixing. There have also been some dubious refereeing decisions too, when they have all the technology available to help them. Nick Yonekuza raises some interesting points on his channel from a video he posted a few days ago.
30 years ago when judo was almost complete respect was prevalent technique was all the way around With the Gaylympiques the athlètes are prisonner not payed and people we dont care make a lot of money on they poor athelete
Honestly just making te guruma, kata guruma and sukui nage legal is enough. Big impressive throws and involving legs again while keeping single and double leg out.
We all grew up with the olympics but it's gone rotten, the whole thing. We could do much better. It's crammed with bad propaganda, behind a streaming paywall, the old events are also all behind paywalls, even the medalists can't post clips, it's exploitative, the governing bodies are all monopolistic, the games are massively taxpayer subsidized and taxpayers get little return on the investment, the olympics brings in billions but the athletes get next to nothing. They are constantly threatening good sports and adding sports that don't belong in the games. United States needs to get rid of cable carriage fees and repeal the ted stevens act. AAU freestyle judo rules are better.
Thank you for this, Chadi! I do not always agree with everything you say, but this video summarizes many important topics. The Olympics illustrate many issues with modern Judo.
I feel that Judo, like any martial art, should be practiced in its entirety and preserved as a result. Now if a move is genuinely too dangerous for safe competition, that's one thing, but even then I think it should still be practiced outside of competition to preserve the art as a whole. You wouldn't take a hip throw out of Judo, you wouldn't take a front kick out of Taekwondo, Kickboxing, Karate, or Muay Thai, you wouldn't take a sweeping takedown out of Sanda, you wouldn't take a jab out of Boxing, you wouldn't take a choke out of BJJ, and so on. The moves that are utilized in any martial art are there for a reason as they are part of the structure of the art and to remove them only damages the art itself. In some ways the Olympics can do good things for certain martial arts, but in other ways they can stunt them.
There is no publicly available evidence or official statement indicating that the International Olympic Committee (IOC) directly requested the International Judo Federation (IJF) to consider banning leg grabs in judo. The decision to ban leg grabs, implemented by the IJF in 2010, was primarily driven by the IJF's desire to preserve traditional judo techniques and differentiate the sport from wrestling, rather than a direct request from the IOC. Background and Considerations IJF's Decision-Making: Preservation of Tradition: The IJF sought to emphasize traditional judo techniques, such as throws and grips, and reduce the use of techniques more associated with wrestling. Sport Differentiation: The IJF aimed to maintain judo’s unique identity and prevent the blending of judo with wrestling techniques, which could overshadow traditional judo skills. Impact of Wrestling Techniques: Competitor Concerns: Some judokas with wrestling backgrounds effectively used leg grabs in judo competitions, which led to concerns within the judo community about the sport's integrity and traditional techniques. Competitive Balance: The use of leg grabs by wrestlers sometimes led to a shift in competitive dynamics, prompting the IJF to address these issues through rule changes. Role of the IOC: General Oversight: The IOC provides general oversight and governance of Olympic sports but does not typically involve itself in the detailed technical rule changes of individual sports. The decision to ban leg grabs was more related to the IJF’s internal considerations about the future of judo as a sport. The ban on leg grabs in judo was primarily a decision made by the IJF to address specific concerns about maintaining the sport’s traditional techniques and ensuring its unique character, rather than a direct result of an IOC request. The IJF’s move to ban leg grabs was part of a broader effort to preserve the essence of judo and differentiate it from other grappling sports like wrestling.
Leg grabs ARE part of traditional Judo. They are literally written in Jigoro Kano's list of Judo techniques. If the IJF really wanted to preserve traditional Judo then banning the whole repertoire of leg grabbing techniques isn't really it.
Speaking of 'Values' why is it that judoka from certain countries seem to be failing to meet the criteria or just refusing to fight when matched up with, or likely to meet, anyone from Israel?
Generally agree with you, the only thing I would defer is about the time management of the fight. I think that with the importance of physical preparation of the athletes nowadays, it is a good thing when the fight is long, when the opponents get tired is the moment when good throws happen because the body relaxed and because defense and grip control using pure strength is not working anymore.
I think it’s strange this argument exists but no one bats an eye with hip throws in wrestling and how karate and taekwondo both have roundhouse and side kicks. There’s a flair with the context of the competition that makes the technique unique for different styles. No one art owns any part of the body or how it moves
This is nonsense. The dream of every judo competitor is to win an Olympic medal one day, not just to win a World Championship or a Grand Slam. Even for the Japanese, this is much more meaningful than the IJF Tour.
Don’t forget that there is a relatively simple way to change competitive tactics by changing the scoring system. We used to have a five point bad system in which you could be eliminated even though winning if you didn’t score ippon. Judo could modernize and implement so players are incentivized to win by large margins no matter the score.
I remember being a local competitor (not elite in any way) when they started punishing leg grabs with hansoku make. It was frustrating, because I knew the Olympics weren't ever an option for me, but my judo experience would still beholden to those politics. Ah well, went to the BJJ dark side. Other issues, but at least there is not an international rules body to contend with.
It's an interesting theory that leg grabs were banned for views, but if so the rules would not encourage Shido baiting either. You should watch Abe vs Keldiyorova and Nagase vs Grigalavishili, they were fun matches. Of course the internet amplifies the bad matches and bad refereeing, don't get your information from social media streams.
Same thing with wrestling. Do you know that " Greco Roman wrestling" is actually FRENCH wrestling. Real Greco Roman wrestling was SUBMISSION based Pale. Do you think the IOC want that?! Or Pankration ( MMA)?! They( modern Olympics) DIDN'T want mixing kickboxing mixed with wrestling. Especially SUBMISSIONS wrestling like Pale. Same thing with catch wrestling. They removed submission from amateur catch wrestling plus name was changed to freestyle wrestling.
And for those who said catch wrestling NEVER had submission ( like the "fake" historian Russian Parasheyev ) did you know that amateur catch wrestling ( freestyle wrestling/ folkstyle wrestling) USED to have double wrist lock ( kimura/ ude garuma) as a WAY to turn someone over for a PIN?! Remember many " submissions" CAN also be a PIN. Like a bicep slicer ( short arm slicer). You can used it to pin someone on their back. Although it CAN look AND be a real SUBMISSION. Goggle amateur wrestling double wrist lock.
Although I agree that submission in catch wrestling ( ancestor of freestyle wrestling/ folkstyle wrestling MOST LIKELY came from the Japanese. Like from Yukio Tani in UK in 1900s while Japanese arrived in USA by 1830s. Although before that catch wrestling was only about winning by pin.
Desde que comecei no judô eu busquei todas as fontes possíveis para acrescentar ao meu repertório. E eu tenho tanta admiração pelo que considero a velha escola do judô. Quando comecei a aprender já não se podia aplicar técnicas como morote gari ou kibisu gaeshi. Embora tenha aprendido brevemente para exames de faixa. Penso que o judô hoje está em declínio. Em descrédito. Enquanto outras formas de luta como bjj e luta livre esportiva vão tomando o espaço. Tenho esperança de que um dia eu possa treinar judô na sua essência. Sem todas as limitações impostas ao longo dos anos.
Team match was hype, Japanese Twitter reaction was hilarious. Shod ours are boring but a lot of Japanese fans weren’t happy about them never being called haha
The IJF should be dissolved and control given back to Kodokan and than an imaginary middlefinger should be shown to the IOC by using the ruleset of pre-2010. And if the IOC than said "Judo is out", well... good luck IOC and good riddence.
you are right... in his book mind over muscule kano said taht judo should not be comercialized . he also said that judo should develop.. and olympics removed a ot of techniqes from judo
I watched these judo Olympics and it was great, just the heavy weight are too slow and boring. There were nice sacrifice throws, in particular in the female division. I agree that leg grabs should be allowed.
Judo in the Olympics gives it that injection of exposure it needs to attract more young people into the sport. The only problem is if it does't go well, it can be devastating for athletes not to get that Olympic medal. But really they earn their living from the Grand Prix circuit. The constant rule changes means its difficult for people to follow and when you get people winning matches, just on the amount of shidos their opponent gets, it's becomes very negative. There really wasn't much on the BBC iplayer in this Olympics so I kinda just zoned out and just watched a bit of the highlights when I could actually find them.
Chadi, thank you for posting. I agree with everything you say. This most recent Olympics was a travesty. The influence of the IOC and mass media on Judo is clearly destructive to the sport. Is there an alternate set of rules? How about the emphasis on grip fighting - kumi-kata? This has emerged in the last 30 years. Do you think that judo is improved by the emphasis on grip fighting? I think it takes the fun out of judo. What do you think?
La primera vez que entrené Judo me quedé un poco decepcionado y fue porque el programa de entrenamiento giraba en torno a las reglas de competencia olímpica, y no fue hasta que me encontré con un maestro que me enseñó el Judo no olímpico que pude probarlo sin limitaciones. Cuándo hice el cambio de Dojo quedé sorprendido de todo lo descafeinado que estaba el arte por culpa de las competencias olímpicas. Ahora bien, yo vengo del Karate Shotokan y al igual que el Judo, no quiero que el Karate se haga olímpico al 100%, de por sí ya perdimos muchas técnicas y dinámicas por culpa de las competencias de estilo Kickboxing como para que se diluya aún más. Al Karate ya le arrebataron los elementos de lucha que tenía, es injusto. Saludos desde México Buen Chadi
I admire your dedication and respect to the values of judo. I can't disagree with your statements about the Olympics. As someone who only watches judo (I wish I could learn at a dojo somewhere!) I am okay with the rules the way they are. I don't see a problem with the shido and I don't mind leg grabs being banned. But I understand that's just my perspective and people who compete in judo may have a different perspective. I wouldn't mind leg grabs being legal again. And I probably wouldn't mind a different penalty system. I would watch regardless :)
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Thank you Chadi, Ryohei Uchida is sometimes regarded as the father of Korean Judo my original style.
Looking forward to reading the book.
Will buy it asap
Couldn't find it on Amazon. Says it doesnt' ship to Brazil. If you could send the link of the worldwide option, I'd aprecciate. Thank you.
I want to add a different perspective to your critique on the monopoly of the IOC. I agree with you the Olympic Dream is farce as the values resembles judo value but the IOC handling financialy and its sport politics is a complete monopoly also its politics is a bureaucracy that selective few Excecutive Board Members would take the most important decissions and at any chance they have would travel the world on a gravy train 950 USD per diem to take does decissions (not voluntary work as they would like you to think, even that is a farce because the Olympics is a business of days for them). The monopoly of IOC even plays out on National Olympic Committee were country government as of many national federations have to comply to NOC and being recognized as NOC member first in order to become a member of the IJF. The NOC control so much at national level that even Government and it Ministry of Sport have very little to say in some cases they sport are funded by government but NOC controls how it is distrubited in the national federations. At first light this is not a problem because you will think there is a seperation of power but this is not the case and once because if objectives of government and NOC misaligned, the allocation of funds and it uses will mis align to for example NOC want medals and ministry of sport want development. For countries with little sources of funds this is a big problem as top athletes will deplete all the yearly budget creating vaccuum or void for development. I think that this problem will kill eventually even bigger countries as it is the snake that eats its tale situation.
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For those who criticize leg grabs as promoting "ugly" judo, I ask this: "What demonstrates better judo: leg grabs or baiting shidos to win by penalties?" The answer should be obvious.
I went in trying to be sympathetic to the system of shidos, but seeing the heavyweight finals on both the men and womens side end by shido was so disappointing…
Now that Wrestling is on afterwards i really do wonder if adopting a ruleset closer to it would make Judo easier to follow as a spectator. Its really a shame to want the sports to be sufficiently different in their rules especially when we already have FS and GR as wrestling categories
@@Mbgengar Teddy won by ippon tho.
@@christian_k_e yeah sorry i shouldve clarified i meant the -100kg Ms and -78kg Ws; the broadcast called the open weight “super heavyweight” - Teddy Riner’s ippon was still crazy impressive, i think theres a lot to enjoy about the sport as a spectator even with the rules as is
Just that it isn't the ban on "hands below the beltline" that causes this shitshow:
It really is the castration of the scoring system; during these olympics, "i" haven't seen a single throw that would've been more than a (generous) Yuko, i.e. even a bazillion of those should never end a fight - by nowadays' scoring system though, those butchered throws were awarded "Ippon"... (disclaimer: I haven't watched all the time, "maybe" there were legit Ippons too; "I" haven't seen any though)
Now, in a situation in which every single "successful" throw is bound to be atleast a Waza-ari, it becomes somewhat intuitive to search for ways to stall/prevent a proper fight - Olympics are a special event after all, and no contender wants it to end prematurely for him/her. Add the weird way of how "defensiveness" is evaluated, and you have your way around a deserved loss.
(activity in Kumi Kata is completely ignored, and turning in/dropping down for a throw WITHOUT even a single hand on the opponent's gi is considered "an offensive maneuvre" - while, infact, it has "0" chance to be effective due to "no grip", and solely serves the purpose to hinder the opponent from doing "anything" whilst he/she infact has achieved a grip; it's basically PREVENTING Judo from happening. This completely evasive and defensive "tactic" led to a sh1t-ton of Shidos and decided whole matches "thanks" to the "great" referees and the "even greater" current ruleset... It "should" have decided matches - "attempting" a throw with precisely zero chance of pulling it off is the thing that should get penalized though, i.e. the use of that "tactic" should've led to dq's.)
Only for completeness purposes, leg grabs:
Single/double leg take downs are neither needed, nor appealing to watch. Unless Tori overpowers Uke by a fair margin, Morote Gari would only serve as a transition to Ne Waza. Just, in today's scoring system, that'd be an instant Waza-ari. Cool story, a botched pseudo-tackle makes up for a half-point-score already...
(I competed for almost10 years from mid-90's to mid 2000's. I've seen, felt, executed Morote Gari more than plentiful - it isn't missed by me. Kuchiki Taoshi... similar story, just that it "atleast" can be used as an easy-mode Kuzushi for O/Ko Uchi Gari instead of "just being a tackle". However, "i" can't recall having seen it "live" even once in a tournament - in order to lift Uke's leg, Tori needs to either overpower, or outperform Uke so much that really "any" throw would suffice instead as well.)
Now, the way the IJF handled things - "no grip below the beltline" - also hit Kata Guruma, Te Guruma. For the first, great "no leg"-versions have arisen since then though - which are significantly more practicable in a bout than the "base version". And well, Te Guruma... The competitive use of this throw caused more concussions (on Tori's side) than any other throw in Judo history, it was somewhat ok'ish to ban it for safety reasons ("i" would've preferred a solution similar to Daki Age while it was still allowed - completed lift = Ippon; if one wanted to be 100% on the safe side, nevertheless performed throw = Hansoku Make).
Shido isn't even ugly. It is just plain confusing for non-Judokas.
Freestyle Judo needs to be a thing
Or a judo no gi with the old school school rules .
@@MP-db9sw Freestyle Judo is done through the AAU in the US.
it is but it's not popular
i agree we need old school judo now.
@@alanrussette2819 Not popular, if they had famous Judoka or top grappler with a Judo background help promote it on social media. It would taken off.
After seeing judo at the Olympics, the All Japan Kendo Federation no longer wanted kendo to be an Olympic sport.
That seems to be the consensus in the Kendo community, we don't want kendo to be tainted by Olympic competition.
To be in the Olympics the sport needs to be international, almost no one outside Japan practices kendo. It won't be an Olympic sport ever
Bro, did you see the world kendo championship, a lot of countries actually practice kendo.
@@alldarin1464you're wrong about that.
Many countries practice kendo / kumdo, way more than some of the ridiculous sports in these Olympics.
Not to worry, after the disgrace of the Paris Olympics, sporting organisations are better off sticking with their own world championships.
@@jarodchong99 They may practice, but everyone knows that no one has a chance of winning except for Japan and Korea. The only time Japan didn't win was in 2006 when they lost to USA in the semifinals, and the USA went on to lose to Korea in the final. So while on paper there are a lot of countries that participate, the population and strength disparity is such that it's basically a guaranteed gold and silver for Japan and Korea.
I think at this point the Olympics don't deserve Judo.
Without Judo being in the Olympics I would never get to watch it on Television. Here in Australia it IS the only exposure it gets.
You can get free accounts at judo tv, there’s just nothing on free to air. But these days half of the “free to air” sports have most of their matches on a paid app anyway
@@vaughanmacegan4012 it used to be on youtube, but then they got stingy with it
They never did
Tv (cable or sat) is getting pretty irrelevant and is slowly disappearing. TVs arejust giant monitors for the internet streaming and gaming now. You can certainly watch way more judo online and Judo gets way more exposure on instagram RUclips etc also it gets a lot of eyes through other arts like bjj wrestling mma etc
And again, I have to agree with Chadi. Here in Brazil many people got angry with some of the results because how many shidos were being applied. It's hard to see people from outside the judo community complain about how horrible it is to watch judo nowadays.
It became so boring and uninteresting. I've been trying judo for years, if I never had stopped I'll be a brown belt by now, as a fellow Brazilian you know how much we love this sport. But watching it in the Olympics is so... Ridiculous, really.
I rather see Greco-Roman and freestyle these days.
@@matheusalves5160 We won a golden medal, I'm fine with it.
I’m only just a green belt, but my sensei are all red and white belts except for one. They consistently talk about how leg grabs should be allowed back in judo and they often teach us how to do the legs too in order to maintain the legacy of judo so that when we get our black belts and we become sensei that we can teach our future students as well. I also practiced jujutsu and I am a three striped blue belt. When we do free rolls in jiu-jitsu, I often find myself dominating using judo either with using regular throws or leg attacks. I feel like incorporating a much more advanced ground game into judo we would see the resurgence of leg attacks in the professional circles. And I also think for judo in order for it to succeed against other grappling martial arts that are becoming more popular such as Brazilian jiu-jitsu and recreational wrestling. We need to reincorporate leg attacks and we need to start having younger people put on no GI Judo classes and quite possibly tournaments.
I think having Judo not be limited to one ippon would make Judo so much more exciting to watch, and so much less defensive.
Just ordered your book on Amazon❤️ We LOVE your take on the Martial Arts! Judo should allow 30 seconds of ground work and BJJ should ban pulling guard and start all breaks and matches standing! IMHO
Teddy Riner wouldn't be as dominant if leg grabs were still allowed. Leg grabs are the equalizer between the smaller player and the larger ones. Plus, we're missing out on some exciting Judo.
You are right.Olso he is favored a lot for de judges,for years.
Agree. Fighting U60kg, leg grabs were so effective taking down the big guys. I preferred fighting the big heavy weights because they were relatively easy to defeat.
@@JD-ww2riHe’s the best. Period.
Great point. Teddy is the man. But you are 100 percent right.
Det er jo strengt taget spekulation fra din side.
I just started the calling the Judo I learned "Kano Ryu Jujitsu". Because that is what it is. Modern judo, is not what I learned 20years ago.
same, thats what i called my gym
I agree, we learned old school Korean Judo and USMC Judo and definitely more align with the name Kano Jiu-jitsu.
@@32battalion24 Nice.Let's make it a thing I want.T shirts hoodies and stickers
Would Kano-ha jūjutsu be more appropriate?
@@charlesmcneilly8817 There is no program called "USMC Judo". MCMAP does included some judo but I have never been at all impressed with the students they produce. A black belt only requires 40 hours of training. From what I've seen the MACP is better training than MCMAP, based on the service members I've trained with.
It's worth mentioning how the IJF forces competitors to stay at their designated hotels which charge astronomical ammounts for a night stay, a competitor friend told me a night is around $300 and you can't compete if you don't stay there! Maybe some athletes are sponsored, but some of countries where judo has less funding go to competitions with money from their own pockets.
Solid take. My Judo instructor doesn't even call what's happening at this years Olympics, "Judo"
then he is a delusional prick, go get a better one
"Mr. Nobody on the internet" lol somebody's touchy
I’m really interested in the old school Judo pre Olympics. It was more useful and well rounded.
If Judo is destroyed or water down internationally it would resurface in Japan in full strength due to national pride,_losses in mma and competitions,a country known for combatives and the effectiveness of grappling over all..... Another nice video, insightful as always.
It's not the Olympics, its the rule set.
It's the olympic committee that wanted ifj to change the judo rules. Leg grab banned because it's similar to wrestling in the eyes of ioc
Dumbest comment ever. Shows you know nothing about how it works
No, the Jodoka could revise their strategies so as not to exploit "the rule set" unnecessarily, as well. Just because you can do a thing doesn't mean you must.
@@TheMap1997 Bullshit, it was judokas who wanted leg grabs banned because wrestlers were winning judo competitions. The ban was officially introduced by the International Judo Federation (IJF) in 2010, with the aim of encouraging judokas to focus more on traditional judo throws and techniques".
@@vids595 did you watch the video? lol japanese players were always dominant, leg grabs were not a problem by traditional japanese judokas.
To casual spectators, all grappling looks like wrestling.
Because all grappling *is* some form of wrestling. To argue otherwise is either semantic games--or pretentiousness.
(Rather like "we're too good for the Olympics, it's ruining us." No other sport--*no* other sport--would even think of saying "take us out.")
and all striking sports is either boxing or kick boxing
Even though I did enjoyed the Team Judo Finals (gave them a shot on Sunday Night), I couldn't agree more with everything shared in this video. Thank you so much for making my day, but more than anything for sharing your knowledge and everlasting passion and respect for this sport. Ladies and gentlemen, Judo, Combat Sports, Sports in general and even the entire the world needs more amazing people like Sensei Chadi. Thank you for standing up for what the sport of Judo truly means to begin with for the benefit of all of us. Much love, respect and appreciation from Puerto Rico!
I would like to see some stress on the distinctions of types of Judo so it’s not just “Olympic Judo” People could then compete in other rule sets and when it comes to the Olympics only then do you practice for that rule set. Just like wrestling has styles like Greco, freestyle, catch, folk… etc. or MMA has different rule sets per organization.
Judo was an art for 82 years before it was in the Olympics. So it can be argued it was not initially a sport. Jigoro Kano did want Judo in the Olympics but there was nothing that he stated saying he wanted it to “become a sport” Its induction was to showcase the art.
The Olympics came with obvious positives and negatives. There are many people and countries whose only exposure to Judo is during the Olympics. It’s simply a grand stage of showcase. For Judo to be practiced and done in its entirety there needs to be more emphasis on Judo outside the Olympics… but that doesn’t mean removal.
Very interesting thoughts, Chadi.
At this point, I don't support BJJ being an Olympic sport either, it would water it down a lot too.
the ijf turned judo back into judo. the upright stance is foundational, and before 2010 it was watered down by wrestling techniques and stances turning is into some rando freestyle wrestling rather then the art of judo
I don't train Judo. But I did find it incredibly boring and lame to see multiple gold medal matches with no Ippon.
Basically, Judo is turning into Soccer
Except soccer is watchable.
football*
@@ronaldjr3092kicky ball sport*
@@maurisauceda8388 a hand is not a foot, that oval shaped thingy is not a ball.
@ronaldjr3092 they said soccer, which is only said in America. You said football, which is what it's called everywhere else. Are we not talking about the sport where you kick a ball
$2000 per minute of footage…wow.
Yall remember when the IJF tried to send Judo Highlights a bill? Honestly gives me the same vibes.
I used to pay only $25 per month to my dojo up till 2023 until they finally had to raise their price a tiny amount due to inflation.
They're all so "risk averse" that they play "not to lose" via the rules, rather than trying to "win" on merit and ability. It's pure cowardice at its core. Everyone who is awarded a medal under these conditions should be ashamed of themselves.
The rules are at fault; not the judoka.
@@lildragon0 No, they don't have to play the "Shido Game", if they don't want to. Nobody wants to watch to "rules lawyers" try to win on "technicalities". They're a disgrace.
@@KarlKarsnarkAt the highest level of any sport, people play to win. They don't play to win stylishly or by ippon; they play to win. If they don't then they are at a disadvantage against those who do. If the current ruleset rewards risk-aversion then that's what you will see because no one is interested in missing out on an Olympic medal just so that you can be entertained. I think blaming the athletes for that doesn't make much sense.
@@Gabriel-sm7ev The athletes have so much more influence than people give them credit for. They are not just random fools at the mercy of judges/organizers. They could absolutely help things change in the right direction if they were more outspoken instead of just accepting anything. UFC recent rules change to bring back 12-6 elbow and change grounded fighter definition is a great example. That only happened because of mass popularity and influence on the organizers. There is absolutely a blame on athletes that can win under the counterproductive rulesets and just have a "me me me" mindset once they win not wanting to change the meta and risk losing.
Depends. A lot of the shidos are good imo. Getting penalties for not engaging or just dropping to avoid a potential attack come to mind.
The bigger issue to me is that the heavyweight categories reward heaviness to the point that a lot of them just can’t lift anyone in the division to throw them, and it then turns into a shido game. I didn’t watch every fight in every division, but there was a division where I only saw shidos, except for one fighter who stuffed up going for a yoko otoshi and got rolled over. There wasn’t nearly as much of a problem in the lighter weight classes
I am a yellow belt with just over a year experience and at this point I'm nearly completely disinterested in sport judo. My Sensei had a great idea to start skipping out on competitions and just start holding smaller clubs competitions.
The problem isn’t the Olympics, the problem is the IJF. Wrestling and wrestlers are widely praised. Even Olympic boxing is managing to find an identity. But the IJF is just hell bent on creating an extraordinarily convoluted rule set.
Chadi, nice content! Judo is a competition oriented sport and sometimes taht's a problem. For ex., If you want to kill ne waza, just make the rules aganst it, and in 15 years the new athletes won't do anything on the ground. That's the case with leg grabs nowadays. Back in the 90s, early 2000s, leg grabs were just another move you might ou might not use. If you leg grab a 20yo guy today during a training session (as I did), it's almost insulting for then, like a "dirty move". So those guys, who are young, strong and competitive don't even bother to do anything that it is "against the rules", despite it is pure judo. Shido game is a "according to the rules" strategy (and mindset) and, thus, a valid way of fighting. I think the shido cases should be restricted to the only a few unacceptable cases, which do not includes making bad moves with bad grips just to make "volume" and win by shidos.
Chadi, I think you said it all: the values put in practice by the IOC largely diverge from Judo’s values. In fact, the IOC of today does not reflect either the values of the ancient Greek Olympiads or the modern ones from since Coubertain; in a similar fashion, one cannot say that the IJF of today fully reflects Kano’s Judo values. The Olympic Games became an entertainment business. Of course Judo having joined the Olympiads brought unparalleled diffusion to the sport (sadly, practically only to the sports side of Judo) but at some moment in time the IJF yielded to the entertainment-related absurd requests of the IOC, and from then on we all know the story of how Judo became increasingly crippled (amputated, as you said, is a good word also). Judo desperately needs to go back to its Japanese roots!
to be fair i thought judo at the olympics was bad at first but then i watched other combat sports like taekwondo and greco and was reminded it could be so much worse
Den positive vinkel. :-) Men ja, du har helt ret.
Same reason for karate
The only thing that works consistently of Karate in MMA is precisely Olympic Karate
The rest comes down to Karatecas fighting Muay Thay and Kick Boxing and calling it Karate... OR DOING SOMETHING THAT NO LONGER WORKS AND IS DATED...
Lyoto Machida, the best Karateka in the history of MMA, what he brought Karate elements to MMA was EVERYTHING, from Sports Karate, the rest was not Karate
@@PauloSilvaX But that Karate still has the same principles as original karate, that's why it's karate, but I do agree that it does seem like kickboxing and muay thai, but how much different should it be, there's only so many ways you can kick and punch
You got Karate Combat. Lol
@@PauloSilvaX Katsunori kikuno using his traditional goju-ryu karate and winning would seem to debunk that. also realistically if karatekes end up looking like kickboxers, that's not necessarily an argument against karate. if someone can derive kickboxing or muay thai from a pure karate base, then karate would be just as valid as muay thai or kickboxing.
@@yamiyomizuki Original Karate and original Jiu-jitsu are practically the same thing... the same mix of Chinese techniques, one practiced in Oknawa and the other in Japan
And the way of fighting was IDENTICAL, some strike and as soon as possible GRAPLER... like Aikido... As soon as he went to the ground, control and ground and pound to finish the fight... when possible, finish with twists
Shotokan COMPLETELY ADULTERED KARATE.... imitating Boxing, the grapler is almost entirely eliminated, what used to be at least 2/3 of the fight strategy... grapler Karas become IMPRACTICAL CINEMATIGRAPHIC FANTASIES,
Jiu-jitsu now becomes Judo, a wrestler's sport using the projection techniques of ancient Jiu-jitsu...
The main difference was that in FEW SCHOOLS people practiced grapler on the floor (the current bjj) ... and this was taken to Kodokan and disappeared from Jujutsu styles, because they were very poorly preserved, many styles are nothing more than late recreations based on Judo, as happened in most Jutsus with its recreation after the DO versions had already fulfilled their political role and falsifying Japan's own history in heavy social REengineering... BushiDO, KarateDO, Jujutsu/Judo, Kenjutsu/Kendo, etc...
Karate began as a NATIONALIST FRAUD, JUST LIKE JUDO, and all arts that changed from jutsu to DO...
Karate Combate is a return to the origins of Kick Boxing, which has its origins in SHOTOKAN Karate... but that uses BOXING BASIS, inserting Shotokan Karate techniques into them...
When someone wins using Gonu Ryu, I think it's very difficult, it would end almost like aikido... or with blunt blows in close range, like iron body training...
Most people train in whatever style of karate they are and then in the heat of the fight it all turns into Kick Boxing or Sports Shotokan...
Remembering that Shotokan was created inspired by Boxing but is not based on boxing, the base is even like sword fighting, and Kick Boxing is already the second exchange with boxing where the basis of Karate and Shotokan disappears and the Boxing base enters, enters and exits, positioning, guard, continue, fight based on angles and all boxing punches... Jabs based...etc...
Combat Karate is the most limited Kick Boxing in terms of rules to have less influence from Muay Thay...And Muay Thay is also the "Muay Boran" at the base of Boxing, but because it was done much earlier, this mix is much more organic and with many more original elements developed in "Boxe Thay", which would be the more accurate name...
There are a lot of FALSE things in Japanese history that, due to Asian fascination and exoticism, are swallowed without ANY HISTORICAL VERIFICATION, because "WOULD IT BE COOL IF IT WAS TRUE"...
But ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING THAT HAS "DO" in the end is a historical fraud created by JAPANESE NATIONALISM, just as Hitler and Mussolini created a "glorious past that never existed", and SUPERIOR ethnic philosophy that had never actually existed either... the Japanese did the same... and they put DO at the end of the name of everything they did this to...
You don't have to practice the olympic judo style just because it is in the olympics , there are many places that practice by other rulesets- you don't like it you don't watch it, end of story. Having olympic status only makes the martial art more alive and even is an incentive to preserve the traditional judo too. Judo pre-leg-grab ban isn't going anywhere, most dojos still practice it, and you have to know them if you wanna be a higher dan.
Hi Chadi. You mentioned Neil Adam in Lex Fridman's podcast, but it seems to me that he agrees with the leg ban in favor of a more traditional upright dinamic judo. Am I right?
Bring back old school Judo 💪🏽
People don't care about sports for 3.9 out of 4 years then when the Olympics is on suddenly everyone is watching it.
Præcis.
I don’t agree with reason number 1, because it actually is special. One of the points of the whole IJF world tour is to qualify for the Olympics. Judokas actually plan parts of their world tour around that. Also of course the Olympics being only every four years and very selective makes them very difficult to win and very prestigious. It’s really something different from a preparation standpoint and with what’s at stake. I can also understand that many don’t like the fact that only one athlete per country can take part, but on the other hand it really shows the Olympic spirit, makes the medal standing and athletes competing really diverse, more people from smaller countries get the chance to represent their country. (Also the IOC really liked that and the fact that it’s has more countries winning medals than even swimming and Judo is third in nations competing really makes it an essential part of the Olympics from the understanding of the IOC)
Reason 2 is definitely a reason to dislike the IOC but not a reason for Judo to not be in the Olympics anymore. In my opinion the Olympic values and the Judo values that are promoted definitely align with each other, when it comes to sportsmanship, respect and so on. The fact that the IOC doesn’t really act according to these values, but rather in their own interest is nothing special when it comes to sports federations. It’s the same with the IJF. The IJF and especially the people in it don’t act the way they act because of Judo values but because of money, but that’s the fact in every sport. Look at the FIFA, UEFA, Nfl, NBA, NHL, MLB and so on literally anyone. They all act because they want to earn money. Of course that’s not good, but no one will be changing that as long as money is as important as it is in our current world order. Also the Olympics is a monopoly yes, but the IJF is too. And that’s not even a bad thing for the viewers because, because we get to see all the best athletes compete against each other under one ruleset and one federation. For the viewers the monopoly really isn’t that bad. The licensing issue of course is, but that’s not a reason for a whole sport to leave the Olympics
Reason 3: So the leg grabs and Shido argument again… Leg Grabs promote a non upright posture. It didn’t look good. No one wants spamming leg grabs it’s even worse than the shitty drops we have seen at the Olympics. However I will convince no one in the comment section when it comes to leg grabs so I will just put something positive out there for every leg grab enthusiast. I heard rumors that they are thinking about becoming more lenient when it comes to gripping below the belt. Referees are allegedly not satisfied with the fact that there have been attacks that were really good but were given a Shido due to the grip being a bit below the belt. They obviously don’t like that because it punishes the active Judoka. So maybe there will be a new idea by the IJF of how to implement an upright posture while still allowing gripping below the belt. I don’t know however if that’s true and how far they will go.
So now the Shido topic. Yes fights being won by Shido is a problem. However since 2016 there has been improvement when it comes to that. The IJF also hates wins by Shidos they constantly try to make them less likely. This Olympics were pretty good to be honest. There have been many scores. The ruleset requires one to be active. Of course there is the glaring issue of false attacks, bad dropping and half attacks, which way to often were counted as being active due to the ruleset. However I can promise you that the IJF has seen that issue too, hated it and will go after people not attacking without an intent to throw when they change the rules. Golden Score is something good because I want to see a throw and hate decisions. Decision aren’t often clear and Judges hate them too by the way. Decision are like wins by three inactivity Shidos and often even less deserved. I want to see a throw that’s why golden score is great. Also the Olympics is not the major factor when it comes to rules. The IJF is so Judo leaving the Olympics probably wouldn’t change much of the ruleset.
I’ve watched your videos for many months. Now that you’ve made this video, you’ve FULLY convinced me to subscribe. I don’t like to subscribe to even channels I like, because too many means I can’t keep up. You sir, are the top real deal honest guys who know what’s up. As a fellow judoka, I give you a bow of respect 🙇🏻
As I have said before, Judo community needs to do the same thing as Brazilian
Jiu Jitsu . Different organizations with different rule sets. All you need is a county hosting judo matches with more common sense.
That way, Olympics and IJF will loose their monopoly.
I don’t understand the policies of the IJF. For instance, why do they penalize leg grabs instead of strictly enforcing penalties for kakenige? The problem lies in stalling tactics disguised as moves like morote-gari, not in the leg grabs themselves. The same goes for judging techniques. The current judgment seems to prioritize whether the shoulder touches the tatami, without considering the context. Why is a throw without control or power considered waza-ari just because the shoulder touches the mat, while a powerful, controlled throw is invalid if the shoulder doesn’t touch?(murao sanshiro final)
Is this to eliminate discrepancies in judgment between referees? By neglecting the vague but crucial standard of the throw’s power, the competition is becoming nonsensical.
Just to shine a little light on the issue of money and athletes, etc., from my limited experience, it's not necessarily the IJF fault. I put a lot of blame on the IOC. Before I started training in judo, I did taekwondo for a little while. I had the opportunity to participate in an 'instructor exchange program' that my instructor and his best friend in Korea were experimenting with. I was there during the '08 Olympics. One of my instructor's students won a gold medal. A few weeks after the games, it was announced my instructor's student would make an appearance at 'TKD Day' at a park in Seoul. My instructor was a part-time TKD professor at Korea National Sports University where he had trained his student Cha Dongmin, and made arrangements with other staff to take his private dojang students to meet Cha. We went that day with all of the kids from the dojang (dojo), and when we got there, the IOC staff escorting Cha turned our instructor away. He himself wasn't even allowed to approach Cha and congratulate him. Cha was now IOC 'property' basically, with IOC staff and even security. It was like that until the IOC tour was complete, and Cha was released by the committee. My TKD instructor was infuriated of course, and embarrassed because he had to go back to explain to a lot of upset parents why their kids didn't come home with pictures and autographs of them and Cha. Bureaucracy sucks sometimes...but when it comes to judo, and money and bureaucracy, I don't see much difference between the IOC and the IJF. But if you want to cut ties between IOC and judo, then might as well get rid of the IJF too...not sure how that would be possible (for international competition).
I completely agree Chadi, the no replay thing is a complete shame.... How can these athletes work at their craft forever and they cant even have replays... To be honest the athletes should be paid a decent amount as the Olympics makes a TON of money.
The focus on competitive randori to the exclusion of everything else is the root sickness of judo. I've noticed that most, not all, successful judo competitors just plain suck. They do drop seoi-nage over and over, repeatedly slamming their knees into the mat, and if they screw it up, no worries, they lay on their belly and defend for ~5 seconds until the referee stands them back up. How do you think someone like this will perform in a real fight where they are forced to defend their lives? Watch the UFC fight between Remco Pardoel and Royce Gracie. Pardoel fell right in to Gracie's trap. Royce worked his way around to Remco's back with a bear hug and Remco reflexively attempted a forward throw at the wrong time (because no worries the referee will stand us back up), Royce dropped his weight bringing the larger man down and took Remco's back while Remco did not roll over to face him even though he easily could have. The referee didn't save Remco and so he gave up. That's your judo champion in a nutshell.
Judo was originally designed as the most effective training method to learn martial arts. The founders of judo recognized that the one characteristic of a fighter, everything else being equal, that would determine more than any other who will win the fight is not speed, strength, stamina, or technique. The #1 characteristic that makes the superior fighter is his EXPERIENCE FIGHTING. So they placed emphasis on live training against a resisting opponent over running pre-arranged drills where uke is compliant. You can see the effectiveness of this training method on display in the early UFC where BJJ and wrestling dominated all the various karates and kungfus. In fact, practitioners of striking arts never had a chance until the UFC introduced more rules, time limits, and rounds. This is not because grappling is superior to striking, but for the high risk of injury associated with kick boxing it is a rare occurrence for a fighter to train striking techniques to an expert level of proficiency
The problem with fighting as a means of training is the risk of severe injury that comes with fighting. So the founders placed limits on the range of techniques in randori that could be used to reduce the risk of injury. No punching or kicking, no eye gouging or biting. If you look back to the 1890's training you will see that judoka still trained the dangerous techniques, but not in randori. Randori was limited to 67 less brutal techniques which a man could spend his entire life studying and never master all of them. When Funakoshi arrived in Japan with his karate, the Japanese saw that it was a superior training method for punching and kicking compared to what they were doing at the time and so, in the Japanese way, adopted it as their training method and Judo schools stopped practicing striking techniques.
Brazilian jiujitstu (which uses the same philosophical approach to training as judo because it evolved from it) focuses 90% of the time on ground fighting with stand up techniques practiced at most BJJ schools amounting to poorly performed judo and wrestling techniques where tori clinches then falls over. The founders of judo frowned upon this approach and preferred that students become proficient in stand up fighting first and then learn the ground game. Their reasoning was that if a student becomes successful at ground fighting first, he will not put the effort into learning standup fighting. It seems they were right about this tendency of past success limiting progress, but the sword cuts both ways. Most judoka refuse to fight on the ground at all, but especially when they are placed into a disadvantageous position.
Judo has evolved into being exclusively big throwing techniques, because this is what is required to win trophies and medals. Judo has abandoned the concept of training the superior fighter while BJJ practitioners regularly train for and compete in MMA. For this reason, isn't the BJJ culture closer to that of original 1890's judo than is 'modern judo'?
Slamming your opponent on the ground is just one way of winning a fight... ONE. You can also punch, kick, head butt, eye gouge, neck crank, strangle, smother, break fingers, etc, to win a fight as well. The problem with judo randori as an Olympic sport is that the Olympic games is in the minds of most people a very big deal. The Olympics is in fact not a big deal at all and to be frank, it's quite gay. It's frustrating going to a dojo to train and having to deal with guys who wrongly think they have a chance at winning an Olympic medal when they are just not built for it. To compete at the Olympic level you have to excel at tossing guys around and thus must have a high degree of natural talent which most men lack, if a man doesn't possess the right physique he can't compete at that level. This doesn't mean you can't train to become a judo expert.
Instead of fighting hard to win (whether stand up or on the ground) within the limits of randori, the average judoka will point out every mistake you make that will get you penalized in a tournament. I'm setting up a triangle choke on this guy and he's telling me the way I am gripping the end of his sleeve is illegal. He doesn't even understand that the reason this grip is penalized in judo is because it is not a throwing grip and can only be used to stall in stand up fighting. On the ground it's completely different as I was not trying to make a strong pull to unbalance him but was simply moving his arm from one side to the other.
The culture of the judo community has degenerated greatly from the time of it's founding in the 1890's to the point now where grabbing a leg is illegal in randori. This was not done for safety reasons like the banning of kani basami (leg scissors) but for completely retarded reasons that don't make sense.
Just like in every other aspect society, the wrong men are in authority over the cultural narrative. I think trying to bring judo back from it's zombified state will be a fruitless endeavor, just let it die. Instead going against the behemoth International Olympic Committee and trying to fix judo, at this point focus should be placed on introducing more stand up fighting technique opportunities to BJJ. This can be done simply by changing the rules of BJJ competition by scoring guard pulling as a takedown in favor of the opponent as so many BJJ players' answer to fighting judoka is to pull guard or to sit down on the mat and butt scoot (aka dog drags ass on rug). Pulling guard is such a bad habit among BJJ players because even if a man is an expert at fighting from the bottom position, the bottom position is still disadvantageous as he must fight against gravity as well as his opponent. In a self defense situation pulling guard is likely to result in getting your head stomped. Willingly placing oneself in the bottom position is almost as bad as a judo champion's habit of lying face down during a fight waiting for the referee to save him.
Thanks for listening to my TED talk.
Remco didn't even look like he knew he was in a fight.
@@monkpato He out weighed Royce by 85 pounds and he knew how to fight on the ground. Remco could have won but when Royce put him under pressure by forcing him make a failed throw attempt, Remco reflexively did what he always does in that scenario which is to turtle up and wait for the referee to save him.
Thanks for your TED talk. An interesting read for me.
The focus on competitive randori is not the problem, but rather the particular ruleset they are training for. Competition is what makes makes the great martial arts great. Other than that I agree with you.
@@difficult_aardvark If it's a sport, then it should still be a simulation of a real fight.
The original intent of organizing a randori tournament was to determine who had the best training methods.
Striving to win trophies and medals for bragging rights is anathema to the original intent of the founders of judo.
Like I stated in the first paragraph of my TED talk, most, not all, judo champions suck at fighting because they take advantage of the rules of the sport to win trophies and medals. (repeated drop seoi-nage and turtling)
One fix for competitive randori, that will never happen, would be to make the rear mount score osaekomi so if a judoka tries to turtle up for a reset he could suffer a defeat.
Judo is basically a dead martial art at this point, it is not going to improve, it will only get worse until it becomes not much different from an arm wrestling match.
Let it be dead.
I started training judo again after 10year break. The new rules have weakened the martial art. Not to be able to touch the leg is just ridiculous. My previously go to techiniques are now illegal - kouchi + leg grab and ouchi combo (Neil Adams), katagaruma with arms and its variations allowing radical changes in direction, seonage with arm assist on the leg by Nakanishi and sukui-nage as a brilliant counter technique.These are very effective techniques that can no longer be taught. It simply weakens the martial art. I agree rugby tackling someone (morote-gari) or just grabbing the leg like kuchiki-taoshi or kibisu-gaeshi without some form of ashiwaza is not great judo, get rid of that but come on, no legs? Neil Adams was one of the most beautiful judokas in the history of the sport, and his classic book Olympic Judo Throwing Techniques has kouchi + leg grab sequence on the cover and it's just spectacular. Very sad state of affairs.
I dont support judo either any more
The decision favouring france over Japan was a bloody joke , just another point of contention in these ridiculous Olympics.
I can ser why some people doesn't like the set of rules but if you exclude judo from Olympics, this will die in most part of the world
I hate all the rule changes. There were just to many rules already. Then they made all the gripping rules and after that leg grab rules. Judo needs to grow, develop and change. If they make 100 thousand rules to keep that from happening it will eventually kill the art.
Chadi is preaching facts. I agree with Chadi 100%!
hello Chadi , i think you do an incredible job by educating us about judo , i myself though that i knew quite a bit about the history of judo but i have to admit that you beat me big time . Continue to educate us about this great art . i was reading about The Great Shiro Saigo yesterday and his famous yama harashi , and the conflict with sensei Kano . One day if you find the time im sure you ll tell the all storie , i learned that he destryed a sumo wrestler and killed him , and thats why he had to leave the kodokan . thank you for everything . As they said in the series cobra kai about myagi do , you can say that about judo it has been there long before us , and be long after we are gone , the roots are strong the tree will survive.
It makes no difference unfortunately. Why? Karate is NOT in the olympics and it's been completely watered down. And they watered down even more to get to the olympics and fotunatelly it did not made to the olympic games.
Karate isn't watered down from what it is outside of Japan. Karate in the west is fraudulent, the problem with karate is that the techniques are too dangerous to practice live so they never learn how to fight.
Everyone in Japan has judo experience so all karateka in Japan know what it means to be in a fight. In the west, most karate senseis are glorified baby sitters.
Exact. Plus boxing, Wrestling are in the Olympics and were not watered down.
love your videos, love from france
My daughter does BJJ but had really wanted to do judo, but after watching the Olympics this year she has lost all interest. What disillusion.
She should still pratice judo. The olympics is olympics. Judo by itself is still a beautiful sport
sure thing......
Like I’ve always said with combat sports in the Olympics, it puts you on the world stage but it kills the art. It’s the worst trade off ever.
In America what we need more than anything is a judo super fight series like Polaris, shown on the UFC platform or another place associated with real fighting. The branding for judo in the US is all wrong for attracting adult practitioners, although it's still a good alternative to more mainstream youth sports
Just don't go through Flo.
I agree. The Olympics limits the talent pool for each sport and it's essentially a battle of soft power between different countries. It's a lot of nationalism. Countries have a vested interest in showing the world how dominant they are.
You're right. That flies in the face of judo's ideal of mutual prosperity.
You are not wrong but the biggest problem is corruption. The corruption within the IOC (relating to everything from choice of the olympic destination to corrupt judges) is simply astronomical.
I think that it's not so much that judo values conflict with Olympic competitiveness as it is that they conflict with the system of capitalism . Capitalism will be inclined to color everything that it impacts , including the practice of judo .
During the summer my club usually takes a break, so for the first time this year I decided to train a bit in BJJ and well, that was an eye opening experience.
It was very much close to the old judo I remember from back when I started some 30+ years ago. With leg grabs and lots of ne waza without the ref interrupting you with a matte immediately. And more importantly, I realized why young people all around the world are not attracted by judo anymore and want to practice BJJ and MMA instead: IJF judo doesn't teach you to be a fighter. It doesn't train you to be ready in an instant if something bad happens in the streets. It doesn't teach you kime anymore. It only teaches you to draw shidos and win by hansoku make.
The IOC and the IJF will kill judo for good, unless it is finally taken out of the olympics and becomes a true art again, instead of an useless sleeve gripping contest.
Chadi…
The same Track and field athletes also compete in the same competitions and for world championships annually in preparation for the Olympics.
So your argument about judo only having the world tour being good enough is a weak argument since other sports follow the same format just fine.
The Olympics are great. It’s exciting and raises the stakes so high.
Exactly. Unfortunately Chadi want to add some negativity to a great event.
Chadi, the bigger question is, what is the IOC’s goal? I’d be very interested in someone taking on the massive project to decipher how offensive players were in my generation versus the current. If the IOC is looking for more fandom, then they are potentially negating their purpose. If someone can prove, based on that data, that judo has become less offensive and dynamic based the trajectory of the data and the IOC still pressures these restrictions to remain, then the IJF should consider your arguments here. Or, potentially open up a freestyle division synonymous with Greco vs freestyle wrestling. Then the interest will speak for itself and the truer styles of judo can remain and be salvaged over time.
It's Neil Adams, not Niki as your video shows at time stamp 10:24.
The modern Olympic Games, just like the FIFA World Cup, are huge global events that are primarily geared to make wealthy people even more money. It's a business, a greedy business, even a corrupt business, probably rife with money laundering too; so we shouldn't be surprised by many of the things you say.
Judo is the main event for me at the Olympics, but this year has been very disappointing, apart from a few exceptions. The IOC interfere too much for political reasons or sponsor pressure or just to do it their own way and ignore the world bodies that usually organise and manage these sports.
This Olympics will become known as "the shido Olympics" as far as Judo is concerned. The golden score shambles is another thing that needs fixing. There have also been some dubious refereeing decisions too, when they have all the technology available to help them.
Nick Yonekuza raises some interesting points on his channel from a video he posted a few days ago.
From 1:43 to 2:23, the same man got hurled to the ground 8 times. I don't know how he is still getting up.
30 years ago when judo was almost complete respect was prevalent technique was all the way around
With the Gaylympiques the athlètes are prisonner not payed and people we dont care make a lot of money on they poor athelete
@chadi 's rants are the best. Great video!
Honestly just making te guruma, kata guruma and sukui nage legal is enough. Big impressive throws and involving legs again while keeping single and double leg out.
We all grew up with the olympics but it's gone rotten, the whole thing. We could do much better. It's crammed with bad propaganda, behind a streaming paywall, the old events are also all behind paywalls, even the medalists can't post clips, it's exploitative, the governing bodies are all monopolistic, the games are massively taxpayer subsidized and taxpayers get little return on the investment, the olympics brings in billions but the athletes get next to nothing. They are constantly threatening good sports and adding sports that don't belong in the games.
United States needs to get rid of cable carriage fees and repeal the ted stevens act.
AAU freestyle judo rules are better.
Excellent presentation. However, the title of your video doesn't do justice to the depth of your premise.
The host country foots the bill with billions in corruption, and then the others have to pay extra for footage.
Thank you for this, Chadi! I do not always agree with everything you say, but this video summarizes many important topics. The Olympics illustrate many issues with modern Judo.
I am so happy Kendo isn't in the Olympics. It will completely ruin it and the "way" behind it.
Great video Chadi, as always. ❤
All respect to Judo, but I really want to see Brazilian Jiujitsu in Olympics some day.
I feel that Judo, like any martial art, should be practiced in its entirety and preserved as a result. Now if a move is genuinely too dangerous for safe competition, that's one thing, but even then I think it should still be practiced outside of competition to preserve the art as a whole.
You wouldn't take a hip throw out of Judo, you wouldn't take a front kick out of Taekwondo, Kickboxing, Karate, or Muay Thai, you wouldn't take a sweeping takedown out of Sanda, you wouldn't take a jab out of Boxing, you wouldn't take a choke out of BJJ, and so on.
The moves that are utilized in any martial art are there for a reason as they are part of the structure of the art and to remove them only damages the art itself. In some ways the Olympics can do good things for certain martial arts, but in other ways they can stunt them.
There is no publicly available evidence or official statement indicating that the International Olympic Committee (IOC) directly requested the International Judo Federation (IJF) to consider banning leg grabs in judo. The decision to ban leg grabs, implemented by the IJF in 2010, was primarily driven by the IJF's desire to preserve traditional judo techniques and differentiate the sport from wrestling, rather than a direct request from the IOC.
Background and Considerations
IJF's Decision-Making:
Preservation of Tradition: The IJF sought to emphasize traditional judo techniques, such as throws and grips, and reduce the use of techniques more associated with wrestling.
Sport Differentiation: The IJF aimed to maintain judo’s unique identity and prevent the blending of judo with wrestling techniques, which could overshadow traditional judo skills.
Impact of Wrestling Techniques:
Competitor Concerns: Some judokas with wrestling backgrounds effectively used leg grabs in judo competitions, which led to concerns within the judo community about the sport's integrity and traditional techniques.
Competitive Balance: The use of leg grabs by wrestlers sometimes led to a shift in competitive dynamics, prompting the IJF to address these issues through rule changes.
Role of the IOC:
General Oversight: The IOC provides general oversight and governance of Olympic sports but does not typically involve itself in the detailed technical rule changes of individual sports. The decision to ban leg grabs was more related to the IJF’s internal considerations about the future of judo as a sport.
The ban on leg grabs in judo was primarily a decision made by the IJF to address specific concerns about maintaining the sport’s traditional techniques and ensuring its unique character, rather than a direct result of an IOC request. The IJF’s move to ban leg grabs was part of a broader effort to preserve the essence of judo and differentiate it from other grappling sports like wrestling.
Thats from ChatGTP
Leg grabs ARE part of traditional Judo. They are literally written in Jigoro Kano's list of Judo techniques. If the IJF really wanted to preserve traditional Judo then banning the whole repertoire of leg grabbing techniques isn't really it.
@@f1r3hunt3rz5 Exactly!
Speaking of 'Values' why is it that judoka from certain countries seem to be failing to meet the criteria or just refusing to fight when matched up with, or likely to meet, anyone from Israel?
Generally agree with you, the only thing I would defer is about the time management of the fight. I think that with the importance of physical preparation of the athletes nowadays, it is a good thing when the fight is long, when the opponents get tired is the moment when good throws happen because the body relaxed and because defense and grip control using pure strength is not working anymore.
I think it’s strange this argument exists but no one bats an eye with hip throws in wrestling and how karate and taekwondo both have roundhouse and side kicks. There’s a flair with the context of the competition that makes the technique unique for different styles. No one art owns any part of the body or how it moves
This is nonsense. The dream of every judo competitor is to win an Olympic medal one day, not just to win a World Championship or a Grand Slam. Even for the Japanese, this is much more meaningful than the IJF Tour.
Don’t forget that there is a relatively simple way to change competitive tactics by changing the scoring system. We used to have a five point bad system in which you could be eliminated even though winning if you didn’t score ippon. Judo could modernize and implement so players are incentivized to win by large margins no matter the score.
I remember being a local competitor (not elite in any way) when they started punishing leg grabs with hansoku make. It was frustrating, because I knew the Olympics weren't ever an option for me, but my judo experience would still beholden to those politics.
Ah well, went to the BJJ dark side. Other issues, but at least there is not an international rules body to contend with.
It's an interesting theory that leg grabs were banned for views, but if so the rules would not encourage Shido baiting either.
You should watch Abe vs Keldiyorova and Nagase vs Grigalavishili, they were fun matches.
Of course the internet amplifies the bad matches and bad refereeing, don't get your information from social media streams.
Not so much for views but to distinguish it from wrestling, which had a big history in Olympics and unfortunately took precedent for the committee
You need to be more mature than to be on that cesspool called Reddit. It’s an unwise person who takes seriously the things read there.
Same thing with wrestling. Do you know that " Greco Roman wrestling" is actually FRENCH wrestling. Real Greco Roman wrestling was SUBMISSION based Pale. Do you think the IOC want that?! Or Pankration ( MMA)?! They( modern Olympics) DIDN'T want mixing kickboxing mixed with wrestling. Especially SUBMISSIONS wrestling like Pale. Same thing with catch wrestling. They removed submission from amateur catch wrestling plus name was changed to freestyle wrestling.
And for those who said catch wrestling NEVER had submission ( like the "fake" historian Russian Parasheyev ) did you know that amateur catch wrestling ( freestyle wrestling/ folkstyle wrestling) USED to have double wrist lock ( kimura/ ude garuma) as a WAY to turn someone over for a PIN?! Remember many " submissions" CAN also be a PIN. Like a bicep slicer ( short arm slicer). You can used it to pin someone on their back. Although it CAN look AND be a real SUBMISSION. Goggle amateur wrestling double wrist lock.
I meant Russian Parasheyev.
I am trying to spell check. Ruslan Parasheyev.
Although I agree that submission in catch wrestling ( ancestor of freestyle wrestling/ folkstyle wrestling MOST LIKELY came from the Japanese. Like from Yukio Tani in UK in 1900s while Japanese arrived in USA by 1830s. Although before that catch wrestling was only about winning by pin.
Desde que comecei no judô eu busquei todas as fontes possíveis para acrescentar ao meu repertório. E eu tenho tanta admiração pelo que considero a velha escola do judô. Quando comecei a aprender já não se podia aplicar técnicas como morote gari ou kibisu gaeshi. Embora tenha aprendido brevemente para exames de faixa. Penso que o judô hoje está em declínio. Em descrédito. Enquanto outras formas de luta como bjj e luta livre esportiva vão tomando o espaço. Tenho esperança de que um dia eu possa treinar judô na sua essência. Sem todas as limitações impostas ao longo dos anos.
You are absolutely right.
Team match was hype, Japanese Twitter reaction was hilarious.
Shod ours are boring but a lot of Japanese fans weren’t happy about them never being called haha
You are absolutely right, Chadi. I am glad you exist. Your vids are excellent.
The IJF should be dissolved and control given back to Kodokan and than an imaginary middlefinger should be shown to the IOC by using the ruleset of pre-2010. And if the IOC than said "Judo is out", well... good luck IOC and good riddence.
In a perfect world....
Judo at Paris was honestly disgusting, just shameful. Hell, they should use wrestling rules, would make more sense.
How a martial arts that is focused in defense/counters can have competitive matches, who ever attack first is at disadvantage?
Make no sense to me.
i agree with you 100....i watched some of the matches and it was terrible representation of judo. depressing!
Maruyama has never been to the Olympics. At this rate he might never get to go.
Does this make sense to you?
you are right... in his book mind over muscule kano said taht judo should not be comercialized . he also said that judo should develop.. and olympics removed a ot of techniqes from judo
I watched these judo Olympics and it was great, just the heavy weight are too slow and boring. There were nice sacrifice throws, in particular in the female division. I agree that leg grabs should be allowed.
Judo in the Olympics gives it that injection of exposure it needs to attract more young people into the sport. The only problem is if it does't go well, it can be devastating for athletes not to get that Olympic medal. But really they earn their living from the Grand Prix circuit. The constant rule changes means its difficult for people to follow and when you get people winning matches, just on the amount of shidos their opponent gets, it's becomes very negative. There really wasn't much on the BBC iplayer in this Olympics so I kinda just zoned out and just watched a bit of the highlights when I could actually find them.
Chadi, thank you for posting. I agree with everything you say. This most recent Olympics was a travesty. The influence of the IOC and mass media on Judo is clearly destructive to the sport. Is there an alternate set of rules? How about the emphasis on grip fighting - kumi-kata? This has emerged in the last 30 years. Do you think that judo is improved by the emphasis on grip fighting? I think it takes the fun out of judo. What do you think?
I think judo players in America should transition to BJJ to put judo on the map in the USA.
I was watching judo but didn't see much this year
La primera vez que entrené Judo me quedé un poco decepcionado y fue porque el programa de entrenamiento giraba en torno a las reglas de competencia olímpica, y no fue hasta que me encontré con un maestro que me enseñó el Judo no olímpico que pude probarlo sin limitaciones. Cuándo hice el cambio de Dojo quedé sorprendido de todo lo descafeinado que estaba el arte por culpa de las competencias olímpicas. Ahora bien, yo vengo del Karate Shotokan y al igual que el Judo, no quiero que el Karate se haga olímpico al 100%, de por sí ya perdimos muchas técnicas y dinámicas por culpa de las competencias de estilo Kickboxing como para que se diluya aún más. Al Karate ya le arrebataron los elementos de lucha que tenía, es injusto. Saludos desde México Buen Chadi
It's a martial art make it look more like combat!
I admire your dedication and respect to the values of judo. I can't disagree with your statements about the Olympics.
As someone who only watches judo (I wish I could learn at a dojo somewhere!) I am okay with the rules the way they are. I don't see a problem with the shido and I don't mind leg grabs being banned. But I understand that's just my perspective and people who compete in judo may have a different perspective. I wouldn't mind leg grabs being legal again. And I probably wouldn't mind a different penalty system. I would watch regardless :)
That's was exactly my toughts when i watched olympics
I totally agree. Well said, Chadi.