Is This The Best Raspberry Pi 4 Case? The New Argon One M.2 - Review
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- Опубликовано: 5 окт 2020
- In this video, we take a look at the all-new Argon One M.2 Raspberry Pi 4 case.
With support for an M.2 SSD, a built-in safe shutdown button, a Cooling fan plus Passive cooing using the aluminum case, 2 Full-Size HDMI ports, and an IR receiver This is my new favorite case for the Pi4 but is it the best raspberry pi 4 case?
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Are you thinking about picking this case up? If not what’s your go to case for the pi4 right now?
I love my old case, can just sell like a addon to the old case ? Ask them please
Well, I would pick this case up, but I had a few 2.5" SSDs lying around, so my go to case right now is the NESPi 4 case. Just the noisy fan is annoying having it on my desk...
Maybe
I would if they shipped to Ireland :(
I do not own a Raspberry Pi system.
I was sold at "Two Full Size HDMI Ports"
Me too...
I love that these cases actually make the pi look like a mini pc rather than having cables going out the sides.
Yes, my pet peeve with the Pi is the form factor with connectors in all directions. It's messy on the desktop and difficult for makers to enclose inside boxes. Why? To save $15 on a different style of case? Khadas, NVidia, and a few other SBC mfrs have broken rank and I'm hopeful that 3rd party CM4 carrier board mfrs will get the message.
My wife and her brother got sneaky and bought me this whole setup for Christmas I finally got it to arrive today so excited
I just want to say, great video Prime ! good work. I have watched a lot of your videos over the past couple of days & give you major credit to the detail you take to explain products, set ups & installations of things. I especially like the updated video of Recalbox 7.0 running on a Pi 4. As someone who works for Raspberry Pi, it's great to see such detailed videos providing great support for the community. Keep up the good work 👍
Now, after watching this video my love for this case has gone up.
The layout and installation of the M.2 is super easy.
Access to the SD card is not a problem. Let’s give it Doug score of 9 out of 10👍🏼
I’m more impressed that at 2:27 you inserted the usb ion the first try! Also love your reviews, crushing it dude!
Wow...just when I get settled in with my case collection for my Pi 4s, Argon does it again!
The pain is real......
Over time there are few and fewer bottlenecks for the RPi... This is amazing
You are the bottleneck now **somalian pirate meme**
You would actually be surprised to learn, this is a quad core desktop. The RPI 4 8gb is more powerful than my laptop.
@@Revon-Feuer quad core with no hyper threading...
@@applepoop10 i have a dual core with .5 threads lamo my laptop is trashcan
Yeah, there are a few things that need to happen though imo. All peripheral connectors need to be facing in one direction like this case (ideally modular so you can remove what you don't want), native m2 support, USB-C options instead of the huge, ancient, crappy ones.
Thank you for the very thorough video, I bought one of these cases based off your review for my PI4 2 gig used as a NAS. I''ve already got it booting from USB with a tiny SANdisk UltraFit. 16 gig.
The more video's i watch from you,the more i lean into getting a PI.It will never replace my pc but to play around with it.It's a little steep for my budget at the moment but i may get one later in life.
Love this case. Peeling the plastic from the thermal pads was the most difficult task in assemble.
I was strongly considering getting the DeskPi pro until I saw this video. Now I have to do some thinking about which would suit my needs and space better. Great video.
4:20 please do not use thermal compound in this scenario. thermal compound is meant to be in a very thin layer to fill in the microscopic gaps between two touching surfaces. if the case is designed with thermal pads in mind, then the gap will be too large for thermal compound to be effective in any way. just use the pads, buy new ones if you have to.
The clearance between the post and the chip is very very close. I would say it's touching. When you disassemble this case from the pi, the pads included are smashed very thin and are hardly reusable. If you intend on swapping boards in this thing, you'll need extra pads which aren't included. I think paste is a perfectly acceptable use in this case.
Like with the Flirc case some people use those 15mmx15mm copper shims to make up the gap while using the paste on either side. Seems to work pretty well, but it's one of those things you only really do for your own satisfaction, seeing those slightly lower numbers. I don't believe even the Flirc case throttles with the thermal pad installed.
@@TwistedD85 Yep, that's what I do, but it's a hassle to figure out which shim thickness to use. If one goes too big and screws the board down, your R Pi is toast. The plus side of using shims is that one can open the case and put it back together without worrying about finding the right pad if the original gets destroyed.
@@j7a1k1e They must have changed the tolerances on this new case, then, because I could swear there is way too big of a gap for thermal paste on the original ArgonOne.
It's a bit ironic to se a "...metal case " & then to see that they "forgot" the basics of thermal resistance/transfer - those thermal blocks should have been polished NOT sand/bead blasted - it's like making a car & then shipping it with 1 wheel missing - they won't know the difference :-)
Love the first Argon One case. Now I am going to have to get the new one. Thanks for making me spend money, ETA Prime! ;). Due to this channel, this is going to be my 3rd case (NES SATA SSD one is pretty awesome too).
The people making theses Argon cases are doing an awesome job.
Man, Chris Barnatt is going to love this!
Yeah, I was also thinking that this does everything that Chris' 'ultimate steam punk rig' does, except it's all slick and commercial. But, you've got to admit that those polished brass plates put a smile on your face. ;-)
As a beginner, thanks for that. And your channel! Really helpful! -from Canada, Québec 🙂
I like the look of that. I just might change and get one. Thanks for showing it off.
Thanks for the info and demo, have a great day
Thank you, Prime.
Leaning towards getting this case. Funny 5:23 --- the m.2 screw struggle is *REAL*.
Another great clear vid! Cheers.
Hi ETA, can you please make a video showing installation and performance of OSMC/Kodi + IR-Remote and this case?
This seems like it would make a great mediacenter, all things combined.
I bought the original case and I am in full love with it. I can easily overclock my Pi4 and keep it nice and cool. I will probably pick up another Pi and the new case.
Awesome upgrades to an awesome case; they must be listening to feedback, as the jumper for always on is a great addition for an unattended Pi based server. $20 extra for being able to use an M.2 all in the same tidy case is worth it IMO, but I hope they keep selling the original non M.2 case with the always on jumper too.
Really glad I didn't buy the last two SATA cases I've seen on this channel, despite much temptation... this is way better. Argon nailed it.
You are awesome eta. I really hope you will hit 1M with is 6 months
I wasn't crazy about the micro HDMI, but with some of the better cases using full sized HDMI ports, I'm kinda hoping the pi5 is just just a cpu/gpu upgrade with everything remaining the same, that way we can hold on to the cases.
Same here. I would LOVE a faster CPU/GPU and hardware acceleration for chromium
Imagine a 6 core CPU boosting to 2-2.5 GHz and a GPU boosting to 1 GHz. That would be a monster chip. Probably needs the ice tower cooler at that point though
@@charliemaybe id be willing to buy one for that
I'll settle for finished drivers for hardware acceleration in the meantime. The hardware is much faster than what the drivers allow.
Not gonna happen, the Pi4 already struggles without a cooling system in stress tests (even more powerful chips in such small sizes won't perform well without proper cooling).
Great case! Have you done a twister OS installation using that M.2
I like the full-size HDMI and the cooling solution. The M.2 SATA over USB is better than SD but its still a hack - here's hoping Pi5 gets a U.2 connector.
I wonder why they did not use the USB-C connecter instead for the USB to SATA adaptor. Update: the USB-C port is only USB 2.0.
@@PerMejdal I can't see any advantage to that.
@@PerMejdal Because the USB-C connector is the default power connector.
Per Mejdal Rasmussen not only is it just for power, but the specification is non standard.
Wild Biker Bill it is not connected and inaccessible when using the case. It however only 2.0.
That looks amazing I have a argon one case but very tempted to upgrade to that I also love berry boot it's great.
Thanks so much man. Very helpful overview and review :)
The company does not recommend thermal paste. i asked for the Argon one case as i use the pads. (swapped cases and tried to swap back) so i contacted the company.
here is the e-mail!
Thank you for contacting us. We wouldn't readily recommend you use Thermal Paste, but it is possible.
Please keep in mind to only use this on the CPU chip, and NOT the RAM chip, because there's a great chance you could damage the RAM chip with thermal paste.
Please also keep in mind to use as minimal paste as possible though so that you don't damage your board.
Best REgards,
Thanks for the info 👍🏻
Yeah I noticed they don't look they make contact so the pad needs some thickness. I cut the pad in half for the ram because it's too big .
I believe you can buy larger sheets and cut off what you need. Anyone got a idea who’s the supplier is?
@@NewAgeDIY www.amazon.ca/COOLOOdirect-15x15x1mm-Silicone-Conductive-Northbridge/dp/B074K55CWF/ref=sr_1_10?dchild=1&keywords=thermal+pads&qid=1602001597&sr=8-10 is what i bought. they work fine. just have to be 1mm.
@@cyprus125 Many thanks for the link.
case is great, the full size hdmi upgrade is the best thing aside from m.2 support, I just hope they update the non-m2 version to full hdmi also
I like the one without full size because I already have it and the adapter so I'll use it as a fall back. I just got this one and I love it without the m.2 piece I got the upper part only.
Bought the Argon40 ArgonONE case because of your first review. Pre ordering the new one now. Unfortunately I bought an NVMe drive and put it in an external case. Oh well guess I have to buy an SATA III M.2 drive now. Thanks for the review.
Or buy a NanoPC T4 or Rockpi 4 and enjoy reliable transfer rates over 1Gbps?
Thanks ETA Prime your videos are very helpful
After seeing this video I ordered one of these and it arrived today. Easy to set up and migrate to the SSD. I didn't go the BerryBoot route so I'm running with just the SSD. Very solid case!
*edit* I wound up having to reinstall the RasPi OS since I had configured settings for my old case and fan. I’m lazy and didn’t want to take the case apart to put the sd card in. Luckily the A-A adapter was just the right size for me to connect the m.2 to my laptop (the case sat on top of my keyboard). I was able to reinstall the os with the RasPi imager without dismantling the case.
Great review and nice case, do you have any idea where the 180 degree USB 3 adapter can be purchased from?
Looks like an awesome case.
Honestly, this is the case I have been hoping for. I've wanted an argon one for a while but never wanted to pull the trigger because I have also wanted an SSD case. This will be my next purchase and may make me build a couple more to get my kids in to games.
I have no need for this; what would you use this for? Because I have no need, I want one of course. I just don't know what I could use it for.
@@heresmyurl right now I only use it for emulation, but I have a mid range gaming PC with an NVME. The speed of that makes me want more speed from the Raspberry Pi. I've also considered setting one up as a smart home hub and moving away from smartthings.
That’s exactly what I was thinking, Ive been wanting this case for a while, this new addition and full size HDMI just made the sale complete
$45 feels a little high though the speeds and the internal m.2 is pretty neat. Hopefully they'll have a sale at some point. Thanks for sharing!
Devinatron I mean it is clearly a higher end case tho so the price is justified especially considering how much you get
@@cookiemonster-ky9ru I get it, and you get a lot for the price. I just personally wish it was lower and can't wait for a sale. It doesn't quite fit in my frivolous budget just yet.
Devinatron I wish the best of luck to you friend
It's quite a big jump in price over the original Argon 1. I bought one of those just to see what is was like. At $45, I would have to have a good reason as it adds a lot to the total cost, especially when I already have USB SSDs, and don't have any M.2 SSDs. The cost starts getting to the point where for many things a used i3 or i5 PC with 8GB would be cheaper and faster, depending on what you plan to do with it.
Zeric E I sound like this isn’t for you then tbh but I’d say your getting a lot for the price especially considering you get the gpio if you need it and full sized HDMI ports
Good review, I like the design
Your intro makes my day
Thanks for this--I just watched your review of the DeskPi Pro and this one. Both of these videos are excellent, as usual.
Putting aside the M.2 vs. SSD issue, is there any scenario where you'd recommend the DeskPi Pro over this? This seemed easier to assemble than the DeskPi Pro, by far, and I prefer the size advantage when using M.2.
Does the fan control software work on other Linux distributions? I'm running Manjaro right now. I'm currently running an Ice Tower cooler with a 2.0 overclock, so I don't mind the little bit of fan noise it makes when always on, but being able to software control the fan in Manjaro would be excellent.
My two biggest reasons for wanting something like this are the M.2 interface and having all the ports moved to the back. Right now I've got cables coming out two sides of the Pi, and it is ... inelegant to say the least.
Thanks!
Thanks for a full video on this. I am planning to use one,for my MAME cabinet setup. I have a complete set of ROMS,and CHD’s 🧐. Have tested on mock setup, rPi 4GB. This will use the 8GB I bought, if I can see a need for the extranRAM. Am also looking to run a Win10 ARM install so probably use the 8GB for that. Once they sort the RAM access to allow all 8GB, we will have a functional Win10, oh and of course the WI-FI. Even as an ‘extra system’, to play with, this will be fun.
Love how it moves the ports to the back
I bought one of these based on your excellent review (love it). I'm still running buster and boot from the m.2. Is there a simple way to switch to bullseye, or do I need do a full backup and basically start over?
Great again. I finally got my pisugar 2 pro and pi4 with 7in touchscreen all setup with a new all in one portable case i printed. My question is do you think a pisugar would fit in this case?
Awesome Speed values
Yep. This case covers pretty much all the bases I was looking for for my smart workbench build. It's a shame that it doesn't support NVME, but given the difference between NVME, Sata 3, and SD cards I suppose the difference is too negligible to be noticeable, given the harder of the rpi4.
Awesome thank you
I love the Argon Case, I have 2 in my server rack and they sit at a cool 33C
While I don't regret kickstarting the pi case 40 (only thing that really sucks is the wait until shipment later this month), this case is really, really awesome. I'm gonna keep it on my radar for future projects!
It is a cool case, and I like the original Argon case as well. Have you ever found a great case that also supports POE? It seems like there are not many out there. I'm using Raspberry PIs throughout my house (in ceiling 1 gang boxes), and they are all POE.
A very close to perfect case... I agree with some of the commenters here that separate parts should be sold as well, the idea of mixing and matching what you need is a good idea.
This is more a personal preference but a 3 - 5 inch display on the top of the case would be a nice extra, that is certainly worth paying extra or as a separate part.
Great video as always dude! I think $45 is a little high on any case for many pi board.
Great video! I am thinking of buying it. Do you know whether a RaspBee II module is compatible with that case?
great video 👍just got one question,,if you are using it with the emulator retropie can you run it directly off the M2 drive or do you still need to run that from the SSD,,sorry im new to this thanks
Thanks for sharing.
Lol I love the Argons...
I'm thinking dremel...
My Ice tower now fits;)
Awesome case!
I cut a very clean 1cm deep slot in the back of the bottom portion of the case, allowing me access to the SD card. Totally worth doing. A Dremmel is ideal.
I like your videos but a little curious when are you going to do a video on the new Chromecast?
Interesting , why are you not on the latest firmware for the pi?
Thought that was super recommended .
Also OMG I will buy this case once my new pi get here :)
Another great review! Yeh I think I’ll get this but am a little annoyed there’s no quick external access to the microSD despite this case obviously being for those intending to primarily use an M.2 SSD. I can understand it but don’t like it lol
Hey eta, can you check if u can use a egpu adaptor m.2 like for laptops so that
Yoh can add a gpu. Love the vids btw keep it up(÷
Good stuff, reminds me of the good - ol days of pc building.
Hi
Thank you for your great review of the case :)
I am planning buying the case and RP4-8GB and a M2-SSD. I wonder if I need some other software for the M2-SSD to work?
The M2 - SSD seams just to be plug and play?
Best regard Fredrik
It's F***ing Perfect! I will try to get this on Amazon!
Almost perfect. A front mounted USB for wired controllers (or an existing FLIRC depending on how customizable the IR receiver is) would make it perfect.
Id get one just for the full size hdmi
I think the Argon One needs one more version this generation. While having ALL ports on the back is fantastic, it might be even better if they brought/split a USB 2.0 out to a port/ports on the front for mouse and keyboard.
gonna buy this for my kids and tell them that this is ps5.
ahahahahahahah
Way to small. You need a full tower.
Don't be cruel. They would remember that, especially when your birthday comes around...
Try to 3D print a "bootleg ps5 case" instead and put the raspberry inside!
@Josh C ... you don’t say? So was mine.
Yeah I'm going alright, had a bit of breakfast you know... thinking about having a coffee thanks for asking how I'm going you're a really personable RUclipsr and I appreciate the candor you exhibit. I'll update you later on with how I'm feeling the next time you ask me what's going on guys thank you.
I have 2 of these Enclosures and am installing the 1st as we speak. Getting that small board to seat on the side of the Pi4 is a PITA. You really need to have the patience of JOB to get that puppy to line up but once you get it it aligned it does go together well but I think the audio connector creates the issue with getting the HDMI Connectors to align.
all these builds ...do you do any giveaways with some of these nice builds?
CM4 just released with PCI-e Gen 2 support. Can't wait until this case is updated for that.
I like the Argon one M2 👍
I have this on my desk and it serves as my mini workstation for light surfing, email, web radio receiver and some STL slicing for smaller stuff.
And in my opinion, it is still one of the best Pi cases around, if not THE best. It makes the Pi look a lot less „hacky“. Not that there is something wrong with a hacky look per se (because there isn’t), but every once and a while, one of my Pi SBCs should be allowed to look a little sleeker. I currently have the 4GB Pi4 installed…because the 8GB version was sold out at the time and now (as of early March 2022) even the smallest version of the Pi will cost you a kidney, if you can get it at all.
Great video! I have the following question:
If I go to install another OS (Ubuntu Server is my case) into the SSD how can I manage to set up the fun spees, and the other customizations?
Thank you
Well, I bought one via Amazon with plans to use it with OpenCPN on my sailboat, and will agree it is a very nice case. Mine had a minor problem with the on/off power switch, it was intermittent, to the point of being inop. I contacted Argon product support, and after a week or so they responded that they would send me another board to replace the original. 2 weeks later no contact. I sent it back, a shame a nice product but.... product support not as good.
nice. im glad i haven't ordered the original case yet!
Is it just me that thinks the audio sounds weird? Sounds kind of robotic. Great video as always ETA Prime!
please do multiple ssd stress tests and plot the temps. m.2 tend to get quite hot.
There have been issues with the previous breakout board and its ability to connect perfectly. Some other customers and I have been on reddit with problems with the audio coming through crackling, super low even on max volume, or no volume at all. Has this new board addressed these problems as far as you know?
Ok, I have to ask. Dose that audio jack allow you to stull use the composite video output? This looks like a really nice case but I have a very nice CRT that I like to play my retro games on and it won't be much good if only the audio is passed through.
Please upvote this!! Do a review on a portable screen!! 15 inch or so ive been digging around for a 144hz portable monitor
Awesome video. I bought this case and setup just like you did. But I can't see the hard drive. I got a WD SSD 250GB. I can figure out why is not reading it. Do you had any tips. Thanks
Hope they make a nice case for the new Pi Compute Module 4 setup.
I´m really thinking about getting me this for my Volumio Streamer just for the remote alone. But can I also partitionate the M.2 Drive into seperate drives to make room for my library? Sadly most likley i wont make good use out of the georgeus full size HDMI´s with that
The coolest thing about this case is if you remove the jumper that bridges the Pi and the M.2 board you can use a USB 3.0 Male-to-Male cable, plug directly into the M.2 USB port and use the inert M.2 drive like an external hard drive. Mount it on another RPi or any Linux box, or use GPartEd to resize the partitions, or even Clone/flash an existing SD card from another running RPi to the M.2 drive. If you buy a big enough M.2 drive you could even partition it half for RPi and half with NTFS or other file system for when you want to use like a hard drive for another system. Also makes moving large files easy from another PC/Workstation to the Pi.
This looks awesome.
One thing you skipped over was adding the OS to the SATA drive. Did you do that beforehand? Or can you do that from the SD card? A little explanation about that would be nice if you could please. Thanks!
You can boot from a microSD card, then use the 'SD Card Copier' app, under the 'Accessories' menu, to duplicate the OS onto the SATA drive, while it is plugged into the USB3.0 port. Then, from the terminal, run:
$sudo raspi-config
Set the Boot Order to 'USB if no microSD detected'.
Shutdown, remove the microSD and power on to boot from the SSD (plugged in the USB3.0 port)
Note: If the Raspberry Pi doesn't initially detect the SSD, it may be necessary to use 'gparted' to repartition and format the SSD.
How do you get the Argon Remote? I am considering this as a replacement for my Flirc case but I want to check out the Argon Remote Control. Would it be a good replacement for that?
I hope so because I just bought one for my raspberry pi 5.
The video I was long waiting for, finally. I haven't watched it prior to this comment, but hopefully this question gets settled after viewing it:
Why didn't Argon Forty design ir for use with NVMe SSD? I ask because other expansion boards do have that NVMe SSD implementation.
You won't see the extra speed from NVMe if it's being converted to USB3 and limited to 5gbps, and they cost more than equivalent sized SATA SSDs. Then again, SATA M.2 drives are getting less common, at some point NVMe may become cheaper.
@@W1ldTangent I understand the speed limit that you point out, but since other developers have implemented it, I don't see why not to future proof it. Maybe it's just a waste, but I wonder if those other expansion boards do get a speed increase due to it.
In Mexico, as of last week at least, in many online stores NVMe M.2 SSDs for some reason were discounted and would end up costing less than their equivalent SATA M.2 SSD counterparts.
@@DoryanTheCritic Ya I'm seeing a lot of that recently, with sales the NVMe drives can be attractive bargains. I suppose SATA could just be easier to implement or the controller/bridge chip is cheaper too? This case is a serious bargain at just $45, other cases with built-in storage similar to this have had much higher prices.
@@W1ldTangent By the way, thanks for taking the time to respond and sharing your insight.
could i install and boot os from the m.2 ssd ?
Now this could be a true desktop replacement especially if you overclock it to 2.1 ghz but the problem with no thermal paste is a big one if you could use thermal paste this would littearly be the prefect case and could easily access the micro sd card slot and had better ssd support
Hi. Thank you for the informative video. One quick question. If you set the jumpers to "always on" I understand the Pi will boot automatically even after a power outage. But my question is: Does "always on" override the power button completely? For example, can I turn off the Pi by using the power button while "always on" is enabled? Or will the Pi turn right back on immediately after pressing the button? Or will the power button not work at all? I want the Pi to be able to automatically boot after an unexpected power outage, but remain off if I do it through the power button without having to unplug the power cable. Thank you!
This case is the one perfect RPi4 case for me too. FINALLY I can have a great case with M.2 and UASP support, AND be able to use my GPIO HAT for projects. The only downside to this case is no active cooling to the USB controller. That chip can get pretty darn hot. The memory chip doesn't get hot at all so I don't understand why Argon would bother to put a thermal pad on it. Also I'll need to test the WiFi connectivity from inside that case. The WiFi and BT radios are on the bottom of the RPi. I have a thin plastic case now, and my WiFi signal is at best 60% strength. Who knows now much it'll suffer inside an aluminum box. I might also download Berryboot and play with that. Right now I'm good with Raspberry Pi OS 64bit, but it's good to have the ability to experiement in the future if something cool is released.
I wonder how good this case would be with retropie. Could you get the power button to function properly and would you be able to configure the fan to spin up automatically when it reaches a certain temperature?
Nice case. Although, since they only support SATA SSDs, an 2.5" instead of M.2 form factor slot would have been a better choice. This would make the case bigger but it would allow installing large spinning drives as well.
USB to NVME adapters do exist, but I guess they're pretty expensive and wouldn't really be any faster than SATA due to limitations of Raspberry Pi 4 USB bus.
As for the speed test, those targets are for class 10 A1 microSD card. What you got is actually pretty slow for an SSD both in terms of sequential speed and IOPS. Your SSD runs at less that a half of it's maximum sequential speed and at about 1/10th of it's maximum IOPS.