I personally choice cbr650r, the feel ride this bike another level, with inline 4 sound. Very comfort and when the power kick in it will make smile in you face.
Agreed. And while I haven't tried the RS660, what I have heard doesn't change my mind, I would also say the CBR is the most comfortable, in several ways.
@@grtbgf That is very possible. I didn't measure it or anything and it was quite a while since I tried them. I am also not the biggest person so a hard seat is possibly less important for me than for others. Comfort is subjective and everyone should try the bike they're interested in and see how it fits them. I can only say in my experience the CBR is noticeably the most comfortable one.
@@Willehable I had a CBR600F4 for years, they are great. However for a more balanced machine for power through the revs I'm looking at the Daytona 660. They all have basically the same rider triangle now anyway.
I only ever tried the CBR 650F, but i cant complain the bike is heavy and the inline 4 makes it forgiving in the lower revs , as a first bike i couldnt ask for more, it feels like a comfortable touring bike in the lower rpsms bbut if u really push it u can get some insane power at 8000+ rpms, the weight also makes it feel really stable, so for beginners the CBR is great
Twins always have great peak torque but the inline 3 torque is just too good Its super linear and you never feel bored and it never surprises you Im buying the daytona out of all tjese any day
Exactly, Twins have power down low and at peak torque. Inline 4s have power at high revs, sure they are smooth at low revs but too smooth, there is no power. Inline 3 has power everywhere, so you always have it when you need it.
Going to a year of owning rs660. There was once a oil thing were it leaked 1 drop in 3 days. They fixed it. It happens sometimes with new bikes. Since then. If you keep your oil level in check, clean and spray your chain, check your tires and just drive normal your fine.. no issues had since purchase
Compression is too high to play it safe in a parallel twin with the internals Aprilia is using. KTM has had issues also. We are watching the de-evelution of performance motors thanks to all the R&D going into electronic tech packages. They realized in the 70's what types of platforms would work and they perfected them to the point where they're too expensive to produce at a practical price point. So here we go with the parts-bin specials. Let's take naked standard bike motors and slap them into a race chasis. It's a sad time for middleweight sportsbikes.
Nice comparison! Keeping in mind, many road riders don't race other bikes on the roads most of the time, so the HP comparisons are great though more focused for track riding.
You should do one with these 5 bikes but with their naked counter parts mt07/trident/tuono660/cb650f. And then maybe add in the z650, and maybe even the 790 duke if you consider it to be within this bike class. 🤞🏼🤞🏼
I have a CBR650R and it is awesome. The inline 4 sound makes me smile and it just does not compare to a twin that sounds like a tractor by comparison. Add in total reliability of Honda and it rocks. My old Ninja had all kinds of issues every time I rode it. I have had nothing go wrong with my Honda.
@@BLUE-dq2sp It can be. I started on a 300. It had been decades since I had ridden at all and it was like starting over. I’m glad I did that before I moved up to the 650. However, if you take your time and realize that there is serious power at the top end it’s at the “outer edge” of “beginner friendly”. The advantage it has for a first bike is that it doesn’t have a lot of low torque (the real power is after it’s wound out) so it doesn’t “jump off the line” at intersections. It’s a little heavy (about 460 pounds wet) so be careful not to let it start tipping - it can be surprisingly difficult to keep upright if that happens (or I might just be old and weak😜). Also, financially there is definitely something to be said for buying a bike that will be good for a long time - not just as a beginner. Long story short (or long) you wouldn’t be crazy to consider it.
I HAVE A RS660 EXTREMA, IM STRUGGLING TO LOVE IT. I've always only had 600s and I feel like this is the slowest bike I've owned. I'm afraid that I'm being dramatic but the bike gas tons of flat spots where u can open full throttle and it doesn't respond.
I agree 😅 especially below 5k rpm but I believe the best option is to go for a ECU flash to having it run smoother, more efficiently and the lacking in the throttle could be fixed. It’s just another bill to pay yet again I’m not willing to spend any more money tbh 💰
You are eighter using road mode (change it dynamic which is more responsive or use individual and set Engine Map (AEM) to 1 which is insanely responsive) or you need an imu update. There is a problem in imu updates for some bikes. Service updates to the new imu for free.
Can u please do all full comparison video on the new Mt09 Sp 2024 with the the Triumph Street Triple 765 Rs. Im missing out that Video on your Channel. Love your ontent, keep it up 👍
Great choice bro 12:00 compression ratio and healty engine (rs660 13:5 is too risky) all that power and not that heavy as honda and have a nice 3 cylinder sounds good to me 🎉
Why add the Aprilla in this vs the Ninja 650 ? The Aprilla is not even in the same cost category when it should be with a completely different group of bikes.
Motor alacağım zamanda bu denli incelemeler çok güzel oluyor. Emeğinize sağlık. Birde yamaha mt 09 sp ile triumph street triple rs765 arasında kaldım. Fiyatlarıda yakın birbirine
Rs660 shouldnt be in this list. The rest of the bikes are a2 compatible The key figure is 95bhp. Thats the maximum size allowed to be legally restricted. Triumph, honda can easily crank up the bhp figure to reach this number.
I love your videos! You do a great job but this are not middleweight sportbikes.. The only 2 still available in Europe are the cbr 600rr and the zx6r!!!
Is there a reason this channel has so many subscribers? All of the information is just ripped from the spec sheets and the narration is AI generated. Is anything this theoretical actually useful?
Seeing these beautiful SUPERBIKES...i felt INNER happiness i don't know why... even i knew that I won't be able to efforts such expensive and NEVER able to own one....😢😢😢
DAYTONA 660 for sure, came out second top on every topic, and its the cheapest. Not to forget that it won't cause you pain after a 20 min ride, because its riding position is comfortable.
About the weight. If you ad quickshifter to the Daytona its maybe 2-3 kilo extra and also if you want a fancier color in red is extra money. The black is ugly and the white looks plastic so its only red left to consider and more money. The Daytona looks nice though. The Suzuki comes with qs as standard which means the weight is already included for the qs. Honda is a beautiful looking bike with that inline 4 but their prices in sweden is insane for the new model. If i go for that bike i rather go for the 2023 model more value for money. I like the Suzuki the most because im tall and the bike is rather roomy. Also like the torque. Dont like the front though its kind of ugly but still the best bike for my needs. Its hard to choose but i will never (at least for couple of years) buy the Aprilia. Dont trust that brand and all the issues which effects the resalevalue and all other problems. But if anyone like that bike then go for the tuono its more bang for your bucks.
Thankyou for this review, after watching this and other videos Ive decided to buy GSX8r today, I haven’t ridin it theyll deliver tomorrow, ill let yall know how it rides
Since the 2024 CBR650R isn't coming to the U.S., maybe don't mention it or perhaps make that disclaimer. We're pretty sad we won't see the E-clutch come to these shores
disclaimers are definitely worthwhile for different international markets, but plenty of the world has access to the CBR and these videos aren't just for viewers from the states.
It's because dealers didn't want it, it didn't sell because it's too expensive for what it is.... The 8rs near me are already down to 8439$ the Daytona will sell to the couple thousand triumph fanboys and then have to lower the price - watch.
Quickshifter for CBR650R are available and a cheap option. E-clutch for fast up and down shifts. RS660 have features that most of us never use. What scares me is the lack of reliability and the insurance😱💸
Depending on where one live, in Sweden the RS660 is €3500 more expensive than Daytona 660. About €2000 more than CBR650R. I'm not sure about the Suzuki but that has a 7 year warranty, Honda 5 years, Triumph 2 years and Aprilia 2 years. I don't know anything about the R7 more than it's priced about the same as Daytona 660 at €11,500
cbr650r it's not a pure sportsbike mode. it is a touring bike with daily uses, comfort riding and gas consumption, you also forgot to mention the pure middle bike of honda which is Cbr600RR,
@@Max-pi7ri these bikes are sub 100bhp A2 compatible bikes. How is a supersport in the same category? Apart from the rs660, that shouldn't be there either
@@chasebelcher7932 the RS660 is in its own class. It's not really a supersport (even if it cost the same lol), but can't really be compared to those "fake" sportbikes neither
Compared to new motorcycles it's too expensive for what it is ... Would I buy a Kawasaki 650 ? Sure for 5k out the door, @ 10,500 out the door ? GET REAL. WAIT THEY WANT 8899 FOR AN ABS NINJA 650 NOW ???? ( + TAX, FREIGHT, SET UP) CRAZY.
Most guys I know have had atleast 2 warranty repairs, it’s fun to ride but not worth it at all cause each repair takes atleast 50 days with how slow they are with warranty claims.
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I personally choice cbr650r, the feel ride this bike another level, with inline 4 sound. Very comfort and when the power kick in it will make smile in you face.
Agreed. And while I haven't tried the RS660, what I have heard doesn't change my mind, I would also say the CBR is the most comfortable, in several ways.
@@WillehableIt has the hardest seat of all of these except the R7 though.
@@grtbgf That is very possible. I didn't measure it or anything and it was quite a while since I tried them. I am also not the biggest person so a hard seat is possibly less important for me than for others. Comfort is subjective and everyone should try the bike they're interested in and see how it fits them. I can only say in my experience the CBR is noticeably the most comfortable one.
@@Willehable I had a CBR600F4 for years, they are great.
However for a more balanced machine for power through the revs I'm looking at the Daytona 660.
They all have basically the same rider triangle now anyway.
Make sure your next bike is not a Honda and then come back and let me know what you think
Great video like always but the way you summed up the comparisons at the end was the top notch
I'll wait for the street and track comparison - specs are great but we buy these to RIDE!
I only ever tried the CBR 650F, but i cant complain the bike is heavy and the inline 4 makes it forgiving in the lower revs , as a first bike i couldnt ask for more, it feels like a comfortable touring bike in the lower rpsms bbut if u really push it u can get some insane power at 8000+ rpms, the weight also makes it feel really stable, so for beginners the CBR is great
Genuinely good spec comparison. Thanks for this!
Twins always have great peak torque but the inline 3 torque is just too good
Its super linear and you never feel bored and it never surprises you
Im buying the daytona out of all tjese any day
Exactly, Twins have power down low and at peak torque.
Inline 4s have power at high revs, sure they are smooth at low revs but too smooth, there is no power.
Inline 3 has power everywhere, so you always have it when you need it.
Daytona is gonna be a Game Changer 🔥
Going to a year of owning rs660. There was once a oil thing were it leaked 1 drop in 3 days. They fixed it. It happens sometimes with new bikes. Since then. If you keep your oil level in check, clean and spray your chain, check your tires and just drive normal your fine.. no issues had since purchase
im a yamaha fan but my pick here would be the New CBR650R
Aprillia - 100% chance to break down and leave your stranded
How do you screw up the simplest engine on the planet? Send it to Italy.
@@ChaosAttractor13 40.000km on my RS660 phase 1 from 2021, 0 problem lmao
You likely haven’t done a single track day. After 10-20 track days, the engine could potentially experience significant wear or even fail.
Compression is too high to play it safe in a parallel twin with the internals Aprilia is using. KTM has had issues also. We are watching the de-evelution of performance motors thanks to all the R&D going into electronic tech packages. They realized in the 70's what types of platforms would work and they perfected them to the point where they're too expensive to produce at a practical price point. So here we go with the parts-bin specials. Let's take naked standard bike motors and slap them into a race chasis. It's a sad time for middleweight sportsbikes.
Nice comparison! Keeping in mind, many road riders don't race other bikes on the roads most of the time, so the HP comparisons are great though more focused for track riding.
When will you do 2024 ZX6R v 2024 CBR600RR v? ;)
You should do one with these 5 bikes but with their naked counter parts mt07/trident/tuono660/cb650f. And then maybe add in the z650, and maybe even the 790 duke if you consider it to be within this bike class. 🤞🏼🤞🏼
I have a CBR650R and it is awesome. The inline 4 sound makes me smile and it just does not compare to a twin that sounds like a tractor by comparison. Add in total reliability of Honda and it rocks. My old Ninja had all kinds of issues every time I rode it. I have had nothing go wrong with my Honda.
I’ve got the cbr650r as well and I love it. It’s my 2nd Honda and they are about as reliable as you can get.
@@someoneelse1i1i do u think it’s a good beginner bike? I was thinking about getting one and maybe restricting the speed of the bike by ecu remapping.
@@BLUE-dq2sp It can be. I started on a 300. It had been decades since I had ridden at all and it was like starting over. I’m glad I did that before I moved up to the 650. However, if you take your time and realize that there is serious power at the top end it’s at the “outer edge” of “beginner friendly”. The advantage it has for a first bike is that it doesn’t have a lot of low torque (the real power is after it’s wound out) so it doesn’t “jump off the line” at intersections. It’s a little heavy (about 460 pounds wet) so be careful not to let it start tipping - it can be surprisingly difficult to keep upright if that happens (or I might just be old and weak😜). Also, financially there is definitely something to be said for buying a bike that will be good for a long time - not just as a beginner. Long story short (or long) you wouldn’t be crazy to consider it.
@@someoneelse1i1i I appreciate the response man! I’ll take this info into consideration
I HAVE A RS660 EXTREMA, IM STRUGGLING TO LOVE IT. I've always only had 600s and I feel like this is the slowest bike I've owned. I'm afraid that I'm being dramatic but the bike gas tons of flat spots where u can open full throttle and it doesn't respond.
it has lots of issues indeed..
I agree 😅 especially below 5k rpm but I believe the best option is to go for a ECU flash to having it run smoother, more efficiently and the lacking in the throttle could be fixed. It’s just another bill to pay yet again I’m not willing to spend any more money tbh 💰
You are eighter using road mode (change it dynamic which is more responsive or use individual and set Engine Map (AEM) to 1 which is insanely responsive) or you need an imu update. There is a problem in imu updates for some bikes. Service updates to the new imu for free.
8R suzuki ❤❤❤
4 cylinder wins, I love that sound 🤤🤤🤤
Lovely video as always :). Keeping my 4 cylinders xj6 ! I hate parralel twins. But the Daytona looks sexy I have to admit
I've heard aprillia bikes are not reliable at all. That makes them an instant no-go for me. I've never owned one before, though.
exactly why you don't see many of em long...They don't last 💀
Buy Aprillia like a win April Fool 😂
Owned a brand new aprilia rs125 since Jan… Had so many issues… I’m switching to a Honda cbr650r the moment I pass my full license next week lol
@ninhonto7946 sorry to hear that
Good luck on the test
Cbr650r is a beautiful bike never really need to upgrade if you don't want too.
Can u please do all full comparison video on the new Mt09 Sp 2024 with the the Triumph Street Triple 765 Rs. Im missing out that Video on your Channel. Love your ontent, keep it up 👍
I went with the Daytona 660 and pre ordered it
planning to buy daytona 660
@@Mrblackhatisakiller it's on my list too, about time I upgraded from my CBR600F4.
Great choice bro 12:00 compression ratio and healty engine (rs660 13:5 is too risky) all that power and not that heavy as honda and have a nice 3 cylinder sounds good to me 🎉
And low seat height for city riding very comfort perfect bike
Why add the Aprilla in this vs the Ninja 650 ? The Aprilla is not even in the same cost category when it should be with a completely different group of bikes.
Motor alacağım zamanda bu denli incelemeler çok güzel oluyor. Emeğinize sağlık. Birde yamaha mt 09 sp ile triumph street triple rs765 arasında kaldım. Fiyatlarıda yakın birbirine
Streety...... her zaman ....tek secenek.... tsk
Cracking video Second Gear! Keep em coming!
That Aprilia will spent most of the time in the shop. On the other side, Honda´s new CBR has eclutch and are very reliable
On looks alone I would go for the R7, I don't like the styling of any of the others.
cbr for sure. look, 4 cylinder, power, sound
Rs660 shouldnt be in this list. The rest of the bikes are a2 compatible
The key figure is 95bhp. Thats the maximum size allowed to be legally restricted.
Triumph, honda can easily crank up the bhp figure to reach this number.
the thing is, the RS660 IS A2 compatible, just limited to 95hp when unbridled (which doesnt matter)
You can get an rs660 in A2 compliant form asw lol
Sucks for you guys , I can go buy a deathtrap if I want....
@@Lullaby999999999 it does because that changes a bunch of these stats.
@@kilerscn no, the RS660 still has the best hp/weight ratio by far
What about Kawasaki Ninja 650?
why not include ninja 650?
Its the cbr650r for me thanks. I don't need wheelie assist lol
So where does the 900 class be? Cruiserweight bikes?
Nah just counte them as litre bikes at that point
I love your videos! You do a great job but this are not middleweight sportbikes.. The only 2 still available in Europe are the cbr 600rr and the zx6r!!!
No ninja650?
Can we get a Street Triple 765 RS vs MT09?
Aprilia team on this side ❤
Is there a reason this channel has so many subscribers? All of the information is just ripped from the spec sheets and the narration is AI generated. Is anything this theoretical actually useful?
I heard aprillia got Error 404: Reliability not found tho~
Seeing these beautiful SUPERBIKES...i felt INNER happiness i don't know why... even i knew that I won't be able to efforts such expensive and NEVER able to own one....😢😢😢
Compare street triple rs 2023 vs zx6r 2023
Never thought I’d see the day Yamaha is last in power in a category
DAYTONA 660 for sure, came out second top on every topic, and its the cheapest. Not to forget that it won't cause you pain after a 20 min ride, because its riding position is comfortable.
I chose cbr650r but unfortune it has not been selling in Turkiye. I dont understand why Honda follows this strategy.
The review is not giving the Honda's e-clutch feature its just due.
About the weight. If you ad quickshifter to the Daytona its maybe 2-3 kilo extra and also if you want a fancier color in red is extra money. The black is ugly and the white looks plastic so its only red left to consider and more money. The Daytona looks nice though. The Suzuki comes with qs as standard which means the weight is already included for the qs. Honda is a beautiful looking bike with that inline 4 but their prices in sweden is insane for the new model. If i go for that bike i rather go for the 2023 model more value for money. I like the Suzuki the most because im tall and the bike is rather roomy. Also like the torque. Dont like the front though its kind of ugly but still the best bike for my needs. Its hard to choose but i will never (at least for couple of years) buy the Aprilia. Dont trust that brand and all the issues which effects the resalevalue and all other problems. But if anyone like that bike then go for the tuono its more bang for your bucks.
RS660 лучший мотоцикл в этом классе и он определенно стоит своих денег!
Thankyou for this review, after watching this and other videos Ive decided to buy GSX8r today, I haven’t ridin it theyll deliver tomorrow, ill let yall know how it rides
I'll stick with inline fours for now.😆💯💪
Honda looks the best and is the most reliable
I go with cbr650r it is very reliable
Since the 2024 CBR650R isn't coming to the U.S., maybe don't mention it or perhaps make that disclaimer. We're pretty sad we won't see the E-clutch come to these shores
Honda is the worst, doesn’t even look like they’re interested in buisness.
disclaimers are definitely worthwhile for different international markets, but plenty of the world has access to the CBR and these videos aren't just for viewers from the states.
Might as well replace Honda with ninja in this category
@@Ellisian Can you send me one please lol
It's because dealers didn't want it, it didn't sell because it's too expensive for what it is.... The 8rs near me are already down to 8439$ the Daytona will sell to the couple thousand triumph fanboys and then have to lower the price - watch.
Quickshifter for CBR650R are available and a cheap option. E-clutch for fast up and down shifts.
RS660 have features that most of us never use. What scares me is the lack of reliability and the insurance😱💸
Italian sports bikes are lots of fun on & off track, but reliability wise they're not the best bet..I can confirm.
2 sporty style touring motorbikes and 3 racing oriented motorbikes.
but the CBR there can last forever
Suzukiiiiiii ❤
R7 is the very definition of "All looks, no performance." 😂
Aprilia RS all the way, best in almost all stats. The other bikes with same spec as the RS would cost even more than the Aprilia.
Depending on where one live, in Sweden the RS660 is €3500 more expensive than Daytona 660. About €2000 more than CBR650R.
I'm not sure about the Suzuki but that has a 7 year warranty, Honda 5 years, Triumph 2 years and Aprilia 2 years. I don't know anything about the R7 more than it's priced about the same as Daytona 660 at €11,500
@@_TrueDesire_ where do you live ?
And how many recalls, malfunctions are on the rs660? Lol
A few reviews " RS660 Don't listen to the hype, reliability is terrible"
😂😂😂
I own a 22 model, absolute unreliable piece of shit although it’s full of tech. Had 4 warranty repairs before crossing 15k kms
@BIG-be8vz it's in the first sentence mate, Sweden 🇸🇪 😁
HondaCbr650r 🔥
You left kawasaki ninja 650 /zx6r
Zx4rr should have been on this list
The best rs 660 Aprilia
Sad to see the rise of weak parallel twins and the death of I4's.
I love it :)
Las japos son imbatibles pero elijo la aprilia y triump
🔥 where the Ninja 650? 🔥
Oh cmon, it's not even worth mentioning..
far far away 🤣
Aprilia Is great bike
You got it way wrong, The best middleweight sportbike is the GSX-R750.
cbr650r it's not a pure sportsbike mode. it is a touring bike with daily uses, comfort riding and gas consumption, you also forgot to mention the pure middle bike of honda which is Cbr600RR,
CBR 650 is the best bike here, the Daytona is a close second. The rest of the lawnmowers can gtfo.
Incorrect. For compare you need choice aprilia tuono 660
Daytona 660
CFMOTO 450SS will kill dominate this bikes. 😊
Nothing from Kawasaki?
For fun: Yamaha. for fun AND looks: Aprilia, for reliability: Honda or Suzuki. For overall finish: Triumph.
And Kawasaki....??? Zx4r.... Or ninja 650....
What a fugin sad time for middleweights 😢
The cbr650r its faster than every bike in this video (top speed 250kph)
Yes, but it's not like a z900 with a cog change isn't faster and cheaper
No one is buying these bikes for top speed runs. lol
@@HifeMan i mean.. its the only 4 cylinder inline in his category soooooo people is gonna choose cbr 90%
@@sucammilla people will probably go for the grom 100%
@@HifeManyea people will go for the cbr cause its inline 4 cylinder and faster
R7ครับรูปทรงมันสวยกว่า
Why triumph killed daytona 😢
Battle of the parallel twins. 🤮🤮🤮
ninja 650 left
Not to mention leaky engine of the 660
All that I can see is Japan companies keep making bs and bum up the price alot lately
So I rather wait for Cfmoto 675 come out
👍🏽
Honda cbr parin champion
Nah ah 😂
Should've included the zx6r too it just recently got updated as well
No, zx6r is completely different category
@@chasebelcher7932 how so?
@@Max-pi7ri these bikes are sub 100bhp A2 compatible bikes. How is a supersport in the same category? Apart from the rs660, that shouldn't be there either
@@chasebelcher7932 the RS660 is in its own class. It's not really a supersport (even if it cost the same lol), but can't really be compared to those "fake" sportbikes neither
@@Lullaby999999999 not "fake" they have their own class. That's where the money is
R7 all the other bikes are bit ch bikes
Dang ! Kawasaki crying in the corner 😂😂😂 it’s outclassed 🤦♂️
true, the Ninja 650 is totally outclassed and pointless... it would have been embarassing if it was included to this comparison
Compared to new motorcycles it's too expensive for what it is ... Would I buy a Kawasaki 650 ? Sure for 5k out the door, @ 10,500 out the door ? GET REAL.
WAIT THEY WANT 8899 FOR AN ABS NINJA 650 NOW ???? ( + TAX, FREIGHT, SET UP) CRAZY.
LAUNCING,,,PAP,,@
Nope
I personally think that no one should share their personal choice unless they’ve ridden all of these bikes, cuz you not helping hustle being bias
What they don’t tell you is how unreliable the RS660 is 🥲 I’ve had 4 warranty repairs already and it’s just bad quality
No way man , it's like a hit / miss with those ones either it's more reliable than a Suzuki or it's just Italian sadly no in between.
Most guys I know have had atleast 2 warranty repairs, it’s fun to ride but not worth it at all cause each repair takes atleast 50 days with how slow they are with warranty claims.
I’m Italian , my parents were born in Italy and Ill still choose japanese tech all day
Seriously? You didn't know their reputation? What's next for you a ktm ? Hahahah 15 yr old Ducati maybe ?
@@ellwoodwolflol my old KTM was more reliable and my 10 year old Ducati Monster too 🤣🤣