Electric cars are more or less 20k more than equivalent petrol cars. The amount you save in fuel is erased by the excessive cost and then some. Not only that but half the time they end up just over the luxury car threshold and as such end up with additional taxes. The government needs to do more to make them accessible.
Comparing Australian uptake to the EU has never added up based on range and population density. But range is now improving and making the prospect for Australians more viable. Price is the next hurdle.
I believe the biggest oil related problem is food. Modern agriculture is oil dependent 3 ways. 1. The "Green Revolution" created artificial fertilisers and other agricultural chemicals that enhance food production x 3. These agricultural chemicals are made from oil and gas. 2. Farm machinery is powered by diesel. 3. Transport from farm to our local shops is also powered by diesel. An oil crisis will mean a food crisis.
The barrier is not going to be supply much longer. Once the tidal wave of cheap, quality EVs start arriving from China that will not be an issue. The main problem is the virtually non-existent, non-serious, tokenistic charging infrastructure. Within 18 months there are going to be queues of 70 cars waiting for 2 pathetic 50kW chargers. There is no way the charging network is going to cope unless we have banks of 125kW fast chargers on every main road, with at least 20 stalls each.
Fast chargers deplete batteries quicker and cause problems for the local electricity supply. Never use a fast charger on a battery that you wish to last longer.
@@johnnyjrotten59 LFPs I think are quite robust and there is little effect from fast charging. LFP is rapidly becoming the battery chemistry standard owing to its safety and longevity.
Even if EVs are hard to get the government could roll out charging stations at a pace, plus it wouldn't hurt if they removed luxury vehicle tariffs from EVs, anything to make them more affordable. We've been set back at least a decade when Abbott and co reversed all the good work Guillard began, so we really need some forward thinking and urgency now.
Why are we talking about EVs when they’re so constrained in supply? Hybrids should surely be a good target for incentives in the medium term, the medium term being the average holding period for a car
Hybrids are recognised in the changes to FBT exemptions made last year. I think the problem is they aren't marketed and pushed as heavily as they could be. And their supply seems even more constrained than straight EVs the new Outlander PHEV is a good example of this. Tesla Model Y order today delivery in 2 months, Outlander PHEV 12-14 month wait.
PHEVs are an interim technology. Within 2 years they won't be needed, the charging infrastructure should be in place, and cars will have 600+ km Range. The polestar 2 2024 coming out next year or end of this year is 635km range. Range will soon be a non-issue. But it is now, I agree.
Fair replies all. I’m concerned about prices and accessibility in existing models. Wait times are one thing but the cheapest hybrids are about half the price of the equivalent EV and comparable to CE cars available now. How do we get people into these EVs when they don’t compete on affordability? Having said this it’s of course possible that all this changes in the next two years.
It is good attention is on EVs in Australia. Here is an accomplishment no one is talking about. Australia's grid energy is over 70% wind and solar. I think this is kept quiet so energy bills can continue to rise.
Electric cars are more or less 20k more than equivalent petrol cars. The amount you save in fuel is erased by the excessive cost and then some. Not only that but half the time they end up just over the luxury car threshold and as such end up with additional taxes. The government needs to do more to make them accessible.
Comparing Australian uptake to the EU has never added up based on range and population density. But range is now improving and making the prospect for Australians more viable. Price is the next hurdle.
One true statement in this report, the ev is good for short stop and go city runs, these vehicles are not suited for regional runs.
True, perfect for mums shopping trips and bingo days. useless for anybody building a nation.
I believe the biggest oil related problem is food.
Modern agriculture is oil dependent 3 ways.
1. The "Green Revolution" created artificial fertilisers and other agricultural chemicals that enhance food production x 3. These agricultural chemicals are made from oil and gas.
2. Farm machinery is powered by diesel.
3. Transport from farm to our local shops is also powered by diesel.
An oil crisis will mean a food crisis.
The barrier is not going to be supply much longer. Once the tidal wave of cheap, quality EVs start arriving from China that will not be an issue. The main problem is the virtually non-existent, non-serious, tokenistic charging infrastructure.
Within 18 months there are going to be queues of 70 cars waiting for 2 pathetic 50kW chargers. There is no way the charging network is going to cope unless we have banks of 125kW fast chargers on every main road, with at least 20 stalls each.
Do you know if we are allowed to buy directly from CΗίΝα?
Fast chargers deplete batteries quicker and cause problems for the local electricity supply. Never use a fast charger on a battery that you wish to last longer.
@@johnnyjrotten59 LFPs I think are quite robust and there is little effect from fast charging. LFP is rapidly becoming the battery chemistry standard owing to its safety and longevity.
So when you say “less efficient” you mean to say they produce too much co2?
I would like better public transport and city zoning.
Even if EVs are hard to get the government could roll out charging stations at a pace, plus it wouldn't hurt if they removed luxury vehicle tariffs from EVs, anything to make them more affordable. We've been set back at least a decade when Abbott and co reversed all the good work Guillard began, so we really need some forward thinking and urgency now.
I just bought a used Nissan Leaf
they are available from $11k
Do you know if we are allowed to buy directly from CΗίΝα?
Why are we talking about EVs when they’re so constrained in supply?
Hybrids should surely be a good target for incentives in the medium term, the medium term being the average holding period for a car
Hybrids are recognised in the changes to FBT exemptions made last year. I think the problem is they aren't marketed and pushed as heavily as they could be. And their supply seems even more constrained than straight EVs the new Outlander PHEV is a good example of this. Tesla Model Y order today delivery in 2 months, Outlander PHEV 12-14 month wait.
PHEVs are an interim technology. Within 2 years they won't be needed, the charging infrastructure should be in place, and cars will have 600+ km Range. The polestar 2 2024 coming out next year or end of this year is 635km range. Range will soon be a non-issue. But it is now, I agree.
Fair replies all. I’m concerned about prices and accessibility in existing models. Wait times are one thing but the cheapest hybrids are about half the price of the equivalent EV and comparable to CE cars available now. How do we get people into these EVs when they don’t compete on affordability?
Having said this it’s of course possible that all this changes in the next two years.
It is good attention is on EVs in Australia. Here is an accomplishment no one is talking about. Australia's grid energy is over 70% wind and solar. I think this is kept quiet so energy bills can continue to rise.
I think the media and govt thinks people are stupid 😅....and except what ever they say..... unbelievable!!!