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Hot take: the reason why people have less children is not "because magically people stop having children when they stop dying", but that our lifestyle is incompatible with having children. When women were incorportated in the work force, work hours should have been reduced proportionally. We are working more for less, we don't even have time for ourselves, much less for taking care of our children, and most of the basics like home and health has been sequestred for a small portion of the population to live of a chunk of other people's work. Get down to 4 hours of work for both parents to make a living and you will see how suddenly people start having children, because what's needed to nurture children is spending time.
This, something people forget is that overythe course of the 20th century, available hours "doubled" as the half of the population that didn't work before entered the workforce, when there's more supply of something, it gets cheaper, this translated as wages being half of what they could be per hour
While this indeed points to a bad system. Having less kids is objectively a good thing. Continuous population growth is stupid and nature teaches us that it leads to only one thing: Mass starvation. I'll take some lonely people not being able to have kids over that any day thank you very much. Don't give me that "oh but that's long in the future" gunk either. I know how shortsighted people are, if population growth isn't managed and respected today, it won't be when it's too late either.
Yeah, started this video and instantly assumed that they will turn this into some sort of mystery when it is a product of capitalism. South Korea in particular is kinda feeling the worst of this so there is absolutely 0 surprise here.
As a teenager, I always imagined that by age 30 I would've married, owned a house and had all the children I was going have. I turn 30 in 8 days. Haven't done any of those things. I've been with my partner for 7 & a half years. If it was up to us, we would've done all of it already, but neither of us see those things as achievable goals for our near future. Housing is way too expensive and wages are too low. Why have kids when we can't afford to feed them or house them? Much less have the time to raise them since we both work full time just to survive. And without all of that, marriage just seems so pointless... As much as we wish we could start a family, we have no incentive to do so
I have two kindergarden kids. Best thing I did in my life. The maridge collapsed but still we have two wonderfull humans to care for. It will all work out. They really don't need that much money. All they need is parrents that love them and show them they are loved.
Technically it's still just a saying it takes a father and a mother to raise a child. Hot take. The world's population is in decline because women think men are trash and men are tired of gold digging women. I think the reason why birth rates are so low now is because of equality and feminism
They quote a village as if everyone has one available...but most folks don't nowadays because of how we fragmented around social media lines. How many people KNOW more than three of their neighbors on their street? Even just ask that of home-owners, not renters. Renters in apartments may actually interact as their own sub-unit semi-village, too...but 'homeowners' either are there predating social media, or they don't know more than MAYBE a handful of their neighbors. There are surely some exceptions to that, but...anyway, I have lived where I do for YEARS now (3 or 4), but because I'm one of only a very few who refuses to use social media in any form except sorta-youtube (but I only sub for content, not 'belonging' or 'extended semi-family' or something), nobody but my childless "both of them work for a living and they own a dog which they love VERY much!" next door neighbors knows and can believe that I would babysit for ANYONE for a few hours just to help someone preserve their sanity or health. SOMEONE in town would have asked even once if they thought I was safe to ask that of...but A) Fear-bubbles and I'm not in their 'social-medium-existence range' and B) Since they don't know me personally, if they're not my neighbor's BEST friend, I doubt anyone else she knows would ever consider asking me for help with their kids. So not only do we make it hard to raise kids, we make it hard to make a VILLAGE in which to RAISE that child nowadays, and we have NO reason to look surprised at what has resulted from our own long-term-messes. When I was very young, I used to hang out with a family in our neighborhood who got paid (I forget, some small-but-usable-amount of money) to watch kids from each family. It wasn't perfectly SAFE, but this was also the 'free-range children' era anyway, so kids being a bit self-reliant even from a young age was quite expected. Older girls (and rare boys) would help the mom of the house, the families would pay to be part of that 'extended-household', and we'd even do stuff like 'fix up the house for them' or 'add a new room' or whatever as a village. Someone pulls permits, someone else organizes what materials are needed, someone figures out what the stuff would cost and takes up collections to make it possible. That person took care of your kids; we all wanted to make sure they were happy and had whatever they sensibly-needed in their lives, but ESPECIALLY the stuff they needed to better care for our kids! I could maybe become that sort of person for my town/section of town/whatever...but I know three households on the street, with two of them being 'on each side of me'. I may even be an overachiever...I understand way too many people just use "Neighborhood Panic" apps and just 'lurk at all those crazy people on our street' from afar rather than actually meeting any of them in real life. We have done better than we are doing right now. We can DO BETTER once again, if we choose to do so and work for it. 😕 Get OFF of Facebook and Twitter and everything else.... Or at least ban them all from providing news and text outside of 'whatever your phone's recorded travel range is', maybe? I dunno...but let's work on it.
As a Chinese in my late 20s, married and working in the education industry, the odds against me and my wife having kids form an almost endless list. The disparity between our income and cost of decent education is obsurd. Let alone the arms race of education where kids are force fed with lectures and their time is saturated with test prep work to compete with others. A society that surpresses self-expression intrincically breeds more mental health risks for teenagers who need guidance, company and community to nurture their identity development and are especially vulnerable to mental health conditions. More over, a social system where teaching critical thinking skills will face punishment will likely poison the minds of children...so pesimistically speaking, the prospect of having a child does not sound very attractive
Sure, your life may seem tough, but ask your parents or grandparents about what kind of life they had. I too come from a country that has recently industrialized and the difference between my life quality and expectations and those of my grandparents is staggering.
@@barondino4628you mean the Mao Cult generation in China? Yeah, they had it rough that’s a certainty. 😅 I think the original commentator had a good perspective on their current experience in China. Why devalue their relative experience by trying to get them to compare to others of prior lives? We could say that easily about anyone, anywhere, and yet it excludes relative experience of the younger living generation.
@@barondino4628Just because their grandparents had it 'worse' in your opinion doesn't mean that info is going to encourage them to want to have children. You could've tried a positive comment but you led with gaslighting and negativity. 😂
Tell me if this statement is true: ‘If your government wants you to have kids, you will have kids’ I visited China a few times more than a decade ago. Loved it. Loved the people, loved the culture. Loved the honesty. I was excluded from a lot of things because of something about face, I don’t remember what it was called. But to me it was just honest. But I got the impression your gov controlled absolute. But I could be wrong. But the Chinese gov has enough money that they could easily incentivize having children as well. I fully and happily admit I am ignorant and just saying things that feel true. I would easily take correction from you/others.
My condolences. China and korea have the worst education rat race. In chinese case, I think their goals were to create obedient factory workers, not decent human beings. Hopefully it will change with the new generation, when the mental health cost of education cant't justify the economic reward anymore
In Korea, if you use parental leave you are excluded from promotion. Doesn’t matter if you’re the father or the mother. No clue why people don’t have kids, right?
@@gracialutonadio342 Many Korean vested interests are angry that we are a lackadaisical, lazy, and complaining generation because they were able to raise their children faithfully without paternity leave ;(
Well it’s true in many industries. Once you use maternity leave, you’ll be instantly excluded from major projects. Some of my colleagues actually had 3 months or less not to get fired or bc they’re scared to be treated badly after more months passed. For males, you’ll be harassed if you use one 😂
The effect of an aging population is felt very strongly in Greece. For years our politicians have mostly catered to retirees and government employees and that's been enough to get them elected. But the burden of the system has been felt by the younger generation who, for the most part, have just left the country, leaving even fewer people to support the aging population. It's negative feedback loop at this point.
Similar in the Czech Republic. Politicians bend over backwards for retirees without giving the younger generations a thought. Young people don't vote because no politician represents their interests. Politicians don't care about young people because they don't vote. It's a cursed loop.
The worst part about this is that it is a vicious circle. The governments will prioritize the elderly majority putting even more strain on the young leading to even less kids and more old people. In my country it is already manifesting by the government spending huge amounts of money to make sure that the pensions keep rising and at the same time they make budget cuts for education and healthcare and do nothing to alleviate the soaring house and rent prices and they can't do anything else because freezing or lowering pensions is a political suicide in a majority old democratic nation. Edit: I am taking about the Czech Republic, but the issues are basically the same everywhere in the West
True. Look at Japan. The elderly are literally destroying the future of young people and thus the future of Japan itself. The young Japanese already given up and stopped voting. Which of course lets the ruling party in power and they pour tax money into the elderly. In 2015 age group 20s was already as low as 30% voter turnout, age 60 was 70% study published in Springer Nature.
Denmark had been a gerontocracy for decades, and things aren't going to improve. Problems that mainly plague young people, including the lack of affordable rental housing, is consistently ignored.
It's becoming too stressful being a parent, what I've seen my mother go through just to make sure I'm still alive today is a lot... I wouldn't want to go through the same
That's why I'm 43 and only have 1 child. I live in a very dangerous city New Orleans, Louisiana in America. I am constantly worrying about keeping her alive. Its too stressful. It's going to kill me then she will have nobody.
I'm nearly 24 and my parents would have expected me to settle down and support a family by now had the world been an affordable place to live. But kids are expensive and at this present moment I literally have $24 in my bank accounts, and I get paid next week. Living on my own is impossible, I live with two roommates with similar incomes. This economy is nightmarish. I work 34 hours a week and I'm also a student. I'm bogged down trying to build a successful life in a world that seems hellbent on failing. Everyone in power is obsessed with hate and greed. Not to mention they're old enough that they'll die before they see the consequences of their actions. It feels pretty bleak.
"There's a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart that you can't take part! You can't even passively take part! And you've got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus -- and you've got to make it stop! And you've got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it -- that unless you're free the machine will be prevented from working at all!!" Mario Savio, 1964
@@EnzoGarabatos That's easy enough to say until a certain point. When does "overcoming it" stop being viable? I'd argue in many countries we've already passed that point. Almost everything is getting worse; pay is insufficient; housing are way too expensive; food prices going up whilst inflation and shrinkflation gives us even less buying power; college costs a lifetime of debt for many of us; I can go on. Yeah sure, somethings are better now than in the past but to be honest I would rather have been young 60 years ago.
Well babies require 24/7 attention and nana isn’t really a thing in Korea. Even if it was, no one would be able to afford it. It’s not a cultural obstacle of who gets to be the bread winner, it’s because the reality is they can’t even buy a 2bedroom apartment let alone have money to raise a child. It’s impossible to become independent from your parents working a normal office job.
Except that's not how humanity and civilization as an _entity_ works my guy. The social contract was _clear_ in the past. You incentivize the *MEN* by exploiting female sexuality for them, which in turn let's society (as an entity) exploit the labor and reproduction of men to self-sustain. (and I don't mean exploit in a negative light) Once society screwed up this contract by pandering to the female of the species and to satisfy greed for power/wealth of the few "elites", it was all downhill from there. _Unwin also stated "In the past, too, the greatest energy has been displayed only by those societies which have reduced their sexual opportunity to a minimum by the adoption of absolute monogamy (para. 168). _*_In every case the women and children were reduced to the level of legal nonentities, sometimes also to the level of chattels, always to the level of mere appendages of the male estate._*_ Eventually they were freed from their disadvantages, but at the same time the sexual opportunity of the society was extended. Sexual desires could then be satisfied in a direct or perverted manner... _*_So the energy of the society decreased, and then disappeared."_*_ He points out that "No society has yet to succeeded in regulating the relations between the sexes in such a Way as to enable sexual opportunity to remain at a minimum for an extended period." - _*_and thus all societies have collapsed._* - J. D. Unwin, _Sex and Culture_ circa 1930s 💊
I'm a high school student in Korea, and I have midterm coming up in a few days. I spend more than half of my day studying, including school routines and hagwon every day, but I can't feel much value from the knowledge I've learned like that. That is nothing more than a tool for competition. I am tired of the fierce tests and competition that are repeated every semester. The fact that my child will have to go through this competition in the future is appalling. In fact, in a survey of class children in my school, most students, except a few, said they don't want to have children in the future, and one of the reasons was the fierce competition structure mentioned earlier. Everyone talks as if the world is over if they don't get to college, and they value only profits and stability while ignoring individual talents and aptitudes. Many foreign media, including this video, point to the problem of low birth rate in Korea and its causes, but the Korean political community is sitting on the sidelines of the worsening problem. How sad it is.
Korean Women's Statistics No. 1 in traveling prostitution in the world No. 1 in renewed abortions No. 1 in STDs in history (4 times more than men) Lowest material index No. 1 in luxury consumption No. 1 birth rate in old age No. 1 in divorce rate Asia No. 1 in newborns with disabilities 28.5 percent. It's not a matter of fertility, and most Korean men have no intention of marrying or even dating Korean women. In a country with 1.2 million traveling prostitutes, an STD rate of more than 50 percent, and more than 1 million women having abortions a year, there are no more men willing to make the world's most expensive contract and lose their entire life savings.
학교의 공부에서 가치를 느끼지못하는 것에 백배 공감합니다. 그저 경쟁을 위한 도구이고 자신의 길에 그 지식이 필요하지않다면 경쟁만을 불러일으키기에 학생들은 가치를 느끼지 못합니다. 학생들이 하고싶은걸 찾아야하는 나이에 좁은 상황에 갇혀 아주 가치가 없는 것은 아니지만, 가치가 없다고 느낄만한 지식을 머리에 우겨넣는데... 그들이 어른이되면 어떤 행동을 하기전에 그 행동에 대한 가치를 여러번 생각하고 판단하며 예민하게 행동하게 되기에 어떤것이든 보수적으로 받아들이게 되는 것 같습니다...
As a Korean, one of the main reason for rapid fall of birth rate is that the idea of "If we cannot make our children happy, then it is better to not give birth to them" has become so common among the young people in Korea. It is of course an obligation for parents to try their best for their children's happy juvenile life, but the thing is that typicaly Koreans have large focus on economic well-being as a prerequisite for happy life, which not many could attain the general standards for wealthy life.
yeah, I agree. I think their education has a big part on this whole phenomenon too. Education in Korea is very old fashioned, it's all about printing the same kind human resources like a machine. Young people compete endlessly not knowing why. As a Korean American who spent most of my teen years in Korea, that system broke me. Individuality is completely ignored, and the only way to be acknowledged is getting into a good college. Not surprising to see that this country has the highest suicidal rate, along with decrease in birth rate. Life is brutal there.
돈이 몰리는 곳에 답이있다. 돈이 없어서 애를 낳고싶어도 못낳는 사람이 있는가 하면, 돈이 넘치게 많아도 애를 낳지 않는 사람도 많다. 자본주의 구조 상 한 나라의 자본 90%를 아주 소수의 부자들이 차지할 수 있다. 그러면 그 부자들은 나머지 인구의 출산율을 책임져줄 수 있나? 부자들이 돈을 거머쥔 만큼 아이도 많이 낳아야 해결될 것이다. 예를 들어 삼성가 등 재벌은 최소 10명이상 아이를 낳아야한다던지 등등.... 하지만 법적으로 강제성을 주지 않으면 해결되지 않겠지.
Me: "You will let us have children, or you stupid companies will no longer exist. Also, discriminate due to pregnancy in a family, and see how quickly that you go out of business, and are also replaced with far better, as well as far bigger, and far more profitable, companies, for happy workers are productive workers".
I'm 31, male and have had one child. It is extremely stressful to balance between being the breadwinner and contributing to raising my son. I feel missing out either way most of the time. I also don't have any intention of having more kids in the future because it would break my heart if I couldn't properly support their lives in the future. Living in Vietnam, I can't expect any help from the govt at all yet the state owned media keep pressuring young people to have more children, amidst steep hikes in housing, living cost and education, while behind are corruption, greed and incompetence like a second nature. I say let the course of nature and history decide our fate. Things will balance themsleves after the inevitable rockbottom. Live how you feel best for you and strive to be good. Bless you all 🙏
Something that I'm disappointed wasn't touched on is the financial deficit of having children. it's becoming increasingly more expensive to live in the western world as salaries have not increased to match, and children are incredibly expensive to have. Until the cost of living vs average salary goes back to what it was like pre 2008, having children is just straight up bad to do financially.
@@muradm7748 Our ancestors developed different superstitions to keep populations down because they couldn't afford large families. It is only since the industrial revolution that large families started to be a thing. Why do you think the world population didn't change much between 10,000BCE and 1,500CE.
@@muradm7748 Ah yes, let me move into the practically free abandoned house in Hopeville West Virginia and raise a family there, despite the fact that there's no jobs there to support myself with agriculture or whatever not being productive compared to industrial farming and such. People don't move to expensive places for the fun of it, they move there so that they don't have to spend half their day commuting to and from work, and that they actually can get to heir job, because the last generation spent all their time making it impossible to build anything but single family homes near workplaces, leading to there not being enough housing where the people live
I'm pregnant and we're in a 1 bedroom apartment in NYC. We really like this apartment and don't want to pay for a similar one with more space, but we also really wanted kids. I absolutely would not blame fence-sitters in our situation if they think it's too hard to add a baby to it.
I am a Korean student. Currently, Korea does not regard the low birth rate as a major social disaster, even though it is serious. I've been taught about low birth rates since elementary school, but the only thing that changed was the declining birth rate..
kinda make sense, a lot of rich people over there are old, and old people don't care much about *having kid*, than they just demanding other people to have one.
Maybe Korean employers should not be biased against women taking maternity leave and the government should make military service for women mandatory as well.
Had this convo with my friend yesterday, what her and I concluded is that its damn near impossible to raise a child effectively and work. And knowing South Korea's work culture, I think our conclusion holds up pretty well.
What I wonder is, why doesn't this hold true for countries that don't see as many working hours on average? It seems to help somewhat but it doesn't seem to fix it unless these countries simply haven't gone far enough?
@@PJ-oe6eu there's a lot of countries that cheat the system, they import people from other countries that tend to have a lot of kids as soon as they get there and see their living standards raise. It's not that simple. France is probably the best example of this, they fixed their baby problem by importing people.
@@PJ-oe6eu That's due to the simple cost of a child. For all the happiness that a child can bring for a family, they are also absolutely giant financial losses. Think of everything you need to pay for your child. Food, diapers, baby sitters if you (and/or your partner) don't have the time to be with your kid 24/7 and can't bring em to work, schooling which gets very expensive very fucking fast, a larger home if you don't already have a house that can support an extra addition to the family which means more rent to pay. That's only some of the issues and that's without going into the fact that half of these things listed will be twice as expensive by the time your child needs it due to shit getting more expensive but wages not growing to compensate for that growth. Also this is all assuming that your child is behaves and doesn't get into and trouble as a teenager (Or at any age really) which causes more financial issues, such as stealing, getting expelled from school, damaging property, etc. Along aside all of this is the general stress of raising a child, the early months (and to some extent years) are extremely rough. Being woken up late at night due to your baby crying, leading to less sleep, your child being a picky eater or needing specific things done to get children to sleep (I for example had to put into the car and then driven around before I fell asleep most of the time according to my parents.) and just the general amount of things that a child that doesn't know that some things are fragile and can break without meaning to, such as vases, anything ceramic, glass wear, etc.
내 생각에는 여자들때문임. 성별갈등 조장하는 문재인 정부에 대한 20대 여성 지지율이 70퍼센트였음. pc주의 유행하니까 본인들이 계몽한 것처럼 군가산점 폐지하고 치안 세계에서 손에 꼽을 정도로 좋은 나라에서 "한국 남성이 잠재적 범죄자라느니 몰카가 어디에 있다느니 선동당해서 헛소리만 하다가 이제와서는 성별갈등 조장하지 말라고 말 바꾸고 이상한 사상 그득해서 더치페이하면 가성비 여친이다, 사랑하면 남자가 다 낸다 이런식으로 가스라이팅하는 글들이 여자들 메이저한 흐름인데 ㅋㅋㅋㅋ 아이들을 풍족하게 키우고 싶다 이런 말 하면서 본인들이 오마카세 파인다이닝 찾아다니고 해외여행 가는 게 말이 됨? 그리고 심지어 한국여자 초혼 연령도 30대 초중반임. 결국 남자들은 20대에 군대 2년 갔다오고 공대에서 공부하는동안 여자들은 군에서 복무하는 남자들 조롱하며 20대에 놀거 다 놀고 그동안 자기계발한 경제적으로 풍족한 남자를 찾는거잖음 ㅋㅋㅋㅋ. 그니까 결국 "너드남"이 유행하는건 그냥 능력 있고 순진한 남자를 잡아서 편하게 살겠다는 마인드에서 비롯한거임. 경제적으로 풍족하지 못해서 아이를 못 낳는다 이건 그냥 돈을 버는대로 다 써놓고 돈을 못 모으겠다고 불평하는 거임. 우리나라의 경제적 수준은 출산율이 하락하기 전이나 후나 비슷한데 남여 갈등 이후로 출산율이 확 낮아짐. 왜? 여자들 대다수가 선동당해서 위의 본문처럼 사니까. 심지어는 페미니스트 교수가 한국의 남성을 벌레에 비유하고 남자아이를 '한국남자유충'이라고 칭하는 반인륜적인 논문이 등재됐는데 20대 여성 대다수가 페미니스트인 한국에서 어떻게 아이를 낳을 생각을 할 수 있겠음? 유교문화를 철폐하고 스스로 진취적인 여성이라고 생각했는데 현실은 가정적이지도 못하고 능력도 없고 얼굴은 몽골 DNA가득해서 남성적인 외모를 어떻게든 성형해서 여자답게 보이는 이도저도 아닌 여자가 바로 한국여자 아님? 옆나라 일본의 "여자력"을 보고 여성인권이 낮다고 비난하고 귀엽고 여성스러운 행동을 보고 "유아퇴행"이라고 비난하는 한국여자는 어떤 모습임? 걸크러쉬? 걸크러쉬를 내세우지만 범죄진압은 못하는 여경? 결혼할 능력이 없는 걸 비혼주의로 포장하고 혼자 늙어가는 모습? 대부분의 남성이 성매매를 한다고 날조해서 비난하지만 기생으로 살던 조선인의 피를 잊지 못하고 미국에서 성매매 여성 국적의 23%를 차지한 한국 여성? 조만간 인구 절벽으로 인해 여성들도 남성들과 함께 판문점에 서서 북괴에 맞서는 날이 오길 기원합니다^^ 한국 여자의 논리: 한국은 매일 여자가 죽기 때문에 한국 남자는 잠재적 범죄자이며 여성혐오자다. 난 편하고 안전한 일을 할 것이지만 돈은 고층빌딩의 외벽을 청소하는 남자만큼 줘라. 아이를 낳을 권리는 나에게 있으므로 너희들이 여성들의 요구에 따르지 않는다면 나는 비혼주의를 선언할 것이다. 물론 차은우가 강남의 건물과 명품 가방을 가지고 프로포즈 한다면 없던 일로 하고 결혼을 할 것이다.
Personally the biggest blocker for me as someone with a wonderful partner, both of us working decent jobs and wanting to have a family is the cost of housing and child expenses. I feel that without a large enough house to comfortably accommodate the two children we would like, we need to get into better paying positions for that to happen which means having kids later which limits opportunity. And as said in the video, I want us both to be present in raising our children which means at least one of us would need to either change to working from home or give up on a career. I dont care about my career more than family but we both need to earn to support a family so not sure when would even be a good time. It's troubling to think about.
Don't worry, it's comparably bad for people who are single and can't afford any housing better than renting a room with random people because of the single income. It seems that the only sustainable life is bound to have one partner with no child, no more and no less.
im 23 and working 12 hours for 5 days a week. I dont have time to do anything except take shower, grab a fast food. by the time I rest on weekend Im too burned out to fully clean my home, just tidy it little bit here and there. Having a child is far cry, I dont even think i can have a child at my 40's. Maybe I'll die sad and lonely, all alone. Future is not looking great...
Living in Sweden, we have some support when kids are sick or when you need to take parental leave, BUT workplaces take notice of those that have sick kids for longer periods and often and they COMPLAIN and even let that guide their decisions when it comes to who is let go and who is hired. There are so many times I have listened to colleagues and BOSSES complaining to me about other, really good and sweet coworkers about their sick kids and how inefficient it is. I was baffled by this as it is a right by law to have this support AND workplaces are not allowed to let this dictate their decisions, but of course, where there is money involved, it all goes out the window. We are all just “economic growth” for any government.
But you also have to look at it from the perspective of the founder of a company. If you pay somebody good money to work for you 40h a week, end they end up doing 20 for whatever reason and get the same pay, you'd be upset, too. I'm not saying one should cut child care or anything, but we can also not just accept people not coming to work. There must be a sweet-spot in-between.
I'm 24 and paying 75% of my income just on rent. I've never worked so hard and made so much to only be worse off the following month/year. Even in a trade job, it's been impossible to save for a car, let alone an emergency.
South Korea was initially projected to have a fertility rate of 0.6 in 2035, but achieved it 10 years ahead of schedule, a feat that is unprecedented in the world.
they really need to improve their work and social problems. many south koreans are leaving and we have a big community of south koreans here in argentina. most of them have kids here. on average they have 2-3. for what they told me is that they were so stressed out in korea and in argentina they have alot more of free time and they love our food too. specially red meat and fruits that are too expensive in south korea but here in argentina is super cheap for them. they have waaaay more free time to relax and enjoy themself here.
To pass on what I've heard from many young people: if you would like them to consider children, pay them a fair and living wage, with actual job stability, allow for family leave from work, and provide accessible and non-budget-busting healthcare. That's it. That's the floor of solidity upon which to build a family (another floor is full community support, but that's not all too common anymore). The erosion of wages and job security (especially starting in the 80s), coupled with healthcare issues and existential threats, has made having children so fraught that many are, logically, opting out. Tut tutting them while you pilfer their paycheques won't make it better.
@@SebastianLopez-nh1rrit’s possible but definitely improbable. The ultra rich will favor profits over people so our living conditions will likely not change.
Even though it is this simple, this is a solution for future generations. If this is indeed the prescription it would take to solve it, then it is logistically unfeasible to put it in place for the current generation, necessarily making current generation adults out of luck.
In Australia, 1 day of childcare costs ~70% of the amount my partner earns in a day so it's literally a choice between either career or having kids but not both.
How do we explain that developing third world countries birth rates are skyrocketing? Its an universal trend that birth rates plummet the better off a country is economically. We could blame capitalism but this system has given us all the luxuries and freedoms that we have. Id argue that its not an issue of time or money. We have all the time and money in the world compared to some people living in absolute poverty.
I'm in Australia, my wife works retail, and after government rebate or childcare costs about $40 for the day, so only about 25%. Are you sending your kids to some super fancy ELC or does your partner earn less than minimum wage?
I used to have a friend that said, “I don’t even want to take care of myself, let alone a family.” And the more time goes on, the more I’m starting to agree.
@burnjapanandrisingsunflagA man in Korea has to spend more than a year and a half without pay in the military. But in Korean society, the treatment of soldiers is treated like street dogs. And when you get married, a man has to buy a house, which costs more than $400,000. $400,000 at 30 and serving in the military service? Is this practically possible? But if you don't do this, you're a failure in society
@burnjapanandrisingsunflagHonestly it sounds terrible for both genders, it's ridiculous they make men waste 2 years in the most important moment of their lives to the military. Oh you don't want to do it? social rejection, continually being humiliated and basically no job is waiting for you
Personally, as a man living in Canada, I’d love to have kids, I’ve always wanted kids, but it’s just not possible. I can barely find a place to live for myself, I get by sleeping on different friends’ couches, often at their parent’s home, and a mix of short term rentals. There’s just nowhere to live, and owning a home is a fairytale. I can’t raise kids and have a family when I don’t even have a roof to stably live under. It’s difficult to even start a relationship when you don’t know where you’re sleeping. And I’m lucky enough to have a great and flexible job that pays excellent wages, is very stable, and I thoroughly enjoy. I know tons of people bouncing around working minimum wage who don’t have any direction or plan. All because the life we grew up hearing about, going to school and then getting a job and then buying a house and starting a family, is becoming downright impossible.
@@bizmasterTheSlavaaaand why should that invalidate their problems? Just because they're not contributing to the birth rate doesn't mean others aren't either
Capitalism has caused this cost of living / housing crisis by making homes speculative and wages unlivable. And yet, it’s the people who love unadulterated capitalism who are all so confused why people aren’t having kids. SMH.
I'm Italian, 29 years old. My girlfriend and I are talking about having kids in the near future. I'm really lucky she's ambitious and likes to study, because with two incomes like mine (not too low but definetely not too high either, Italian average) it's literally impossibile to raise one kid, let alone multiple. And here they wonder why young people do not want to have children. We are a failing society that keeps failing and failing facing the same problems all over again.
If you allow me to share my perspective: in the reality I live in, the main issue that stops people from having more kids is... Money. Jobs are paying less, everything is getting more expensive by the hour, and it's become an enormous challenge to be able to work hard enough to live by and sustain your family, while also enjoying it (even with both working). Previous generations were able to afford big houses with a low income, not to mention buying food, paying school bills, everything was cheaper. Nowadays you have to be very well off to be able to have a decent sized apartment not too far from crucial facilities such as schools, hospitals, markets... so in the end, most couples end up having less than 2 kids because the housing is small, and they'll be wasting a huge part of the income just to pay for that, so not much is left to pay for education, helathcare and food (not even mentioning transportation, electricity, internet and electronic devices, which can be considered essential in today's society and are definetely not cheap, at least not here in Brazil).
The people making decisions are at odds with what they say they want. The people want to protect children but they oppose healthcare for children, food programs, financial assistance, childcare, etc. The people want more workers but they oppose immigration. The people want the world to be like it was back in the 50's but they don't want to roll out the social programs, strong labor unions, etc. of that era. These problems are all eminently solvable but that assumes the people in charge actually care to solve them. Which they clearly don't, because solved problems don't get you reelected. Making the problem worse gets you reelected. That's how the GOP has been getting elected because "big government doesn't work" for decades by making the government fail to work without reducing its scale.
This is the correct perspective...it's well past time for fogies to understand that they're entirely responsible for this problem, they've created a modern setting where families can no longer have a single working parent sustainably and are too stubborn/stupid to realize that paving the way to tomorrow will require subsidizing children. 90% of the jackasses will say something akin to "I did it that way, it's just how it works", but fail to recognize how different things are today to how they were when they grew up...they essentially got handed the keys to the world whilst the pay gap is worse now than it has ever been.
I'm korean and I left Korea when I was 14 to immigrate to Australia. I have to admit that life in Korea is not easy. You experience a lot of competitions from a young age and I think I genuinely struggled to stay in the race when I was at school. If you think about it, Korea is a tiny country with almost no natural resources. So you need to survive by developing exceptional intellectual skills hence why competition is so fierece. My friends who have had kids recently actually said that lower birth rate is not entirely a negative thing, because now that there are less kids, people cherish them more - instead of pushing the kids to compete to win, people want the remaining kids in the country to be happy. So I believe this has happened for a reason. Birth rate is important, but I also hope kids in Korea right now will live happily, so that when they become adults, they'll want to have kids to pass on their good memories
LIVE IN KOREA IS NOT EASY? IS IT EASY LIVE IN AFRICA WHERE THEY ARE HAVING X10000 TIMES MORE CHILDREN, WAS LIFE EASY IN THE 1950 IN KOREA WHEN KOREANS WERE HAVING X 6 TIMES MORE CHILDREN? YOU KNOW NOTHING.
I agree! My Korean friend moved to America because of the tough situations he faced back in his country. Many has moved as well and I can’t blame them. Yes America has issues but he rather live here than back in Korea especially when he had to work and go to school there for long periods of time causing him to have a short term depression
@@lifeis7 man, that's really disheartening... well y'know what? Better be fools than heartless. I hope whoever decides to have kids and raise them with joy in their lives over there is doing well.
Some geniuses decided to make a system where humans in their most reproductive years go through the most stress in terms of education, finding a career that actually pays off, and independent living oh and we ditched the courtship/social system that worked in the past for modern dating which sucks
As a Bulgarian, I find the phrase used on 3:18 "Да ти върви по вода!" which is translated literally as "Hopefully it will flow as the water" spot on! Many Bulgarians use it often to say goodbye to their relatives.
@@WackoMcGoose A more literal translation is "I hope it goes smoothly" Well Bulgaria has been the fastest-shrinking nation for a while, so makes sense this is the video it debuts in :P
As a 25 year old Woman in the UK the idea of me being able to have and support children seem a like a miracle, not because I am physically unable to, but the amount of extra hours me and my partner need to put in at work to make ends meet I cannot imagine giving that up, halving an income that’s already not enough and having a child in a life that would cost so much more than when I was a baby. Life has got way too expensive, costs are spiralling out of control. At my age my mother was able to give up work to support me and my sister, live on one income and didn’t struggle because wages were relatively much higher back than. I would love to have children one day, but financially I don’t see how it could be possible.
Your mother probably didn't have the same life-style as you do. People today have incredibly high life-requirements that are unsustainable. The market drove this consumerism so high and it's really a cancer for society
I'm right there with you, I'm a 35 year old man from the UK and I cannot even fathom being able to afford a child. I can't even afford my rent from month to month when I work something like 50-60 hours a week and literally don't drink, my only expenses are bills, rent and food. Yet I often can't afford my rent at the end of the month and if I have my heating on at all this year I won't be able to afford food. So how on earth am I meant to have a child living like that? Not to mention one of my personal reasons for not wanting children is what kind of world are we leaving them? Personally I don't think it's right to bring a child in to the world when we should all be very aware by now that there will be no air left to breathe in 80-100 years. Why would I want to make anyone much less my own children go through that?
you or your partner need to get a better job with higher salary, its as easy as that, also having a baby is not a million dollar expense, trust me, most people blow it out of proportion.
Yeah, the financial burden of having children is a real gatekeeper as well. My wife and I have one child and are just barely scraping by. We really like the idea of having a second child, but there is no way we could afford it. We are both college graduates and make a solid income, but it feels like money doesn't go nearly as far as it used to. Unless we choose to adopt later in life, we'll likely stay a single child family.
Yup this. I'm single and childless and I'm barely scraping by with what I make as a translator. Having a kid for me is unthinkable because I'd never be able to afford to raise one, and I sure as hell don't want my hypothetical son/daughter to have a worse life than I've had. And so I don't have kids and as long as my financial situation stays like that it simply won't change.
I feel like this is an extremely underrepresented opinion. It simply is never the right time to have a child, because having a child early puts your education at risk, later on it will affect your promotions and chances of building wealth, and eventually it is too late. The high costs of living and the stagnant wages make having a child too high of a risk, especially when relationships seem a lot less stable than in the past as well (Becoming a single parent often ends up with so much effort and stress that the person ends up on unemployment).
Korea is basically the textbook example of what happens when living an ordinary, simple life is regarded as failure. I’m Korean but glad my parents didn’t put me through all that.
When a top 10 or atleast 20 percent out of population is considered 'normal' And if you're not 'normal' you deserved to be mistreated and looked downed constantly No wonder people stopped making kids and been killing themselves more than anywhere
If you can, emigrate to Latin America, we have good food, housing and good life quality... (if you dont get killed by robbers), but its mostly calmer here.
My parents didnt pressure me like that as well (like telling me to be better and work harder) but I still ended up being a depressed loser because societal expectations and pressures exist outside of parenting style. Im heavily affected by that more than I'd like to be.
@@bapbirb They raised me to be prepared for societal expectations and pressures, rather than pushing those very expectations and pressures on me. They taught me discipline and good work ethic so that when I encountered those pressures and expectations I would be ready for them. It's not that they let me relax and stuff.
As a Korean, no idea how we're supposed to solve this. I've spent my whole life studying the most mundane & useless shit for a college entry exam, and now I'm forced to do that again in college. Everything is exhausting cus no day offs, no holidays- I gotta work to pay rent/tuition when I'm not in school. And I'm probably not going to land a job after graduating either! (A mystery, since apparently population is shrinking) Feel like everyone around me is doing the same too. And the guys serve mandatory military service too while doing all this shit??? Literally no idea how they do it. Everyday I realize there are thousands of Koreans in worse situations than me, and none of us are stable to think about kids. Complete joke of a country, just leave us alone and we'll gladly make an example to what happens if a country fails to repopulate. Hope yall governments learn from us and start lowering housing rates!!
@@chiaohongcheng How would us, the young working generation and basically the punching bag of Korea’s society be able to lead any major changes? Think of Canadian housing for a bit if you don’t get it.
As someone who has worked in Korea as a teacher, one thing I’ve come to see is that the education system is a big underlying issue. Parents are competitive as hell for their child to succeed and private education is very very expensive. This is leading to some people only having 1 child and focusing their efforts on making sure they succeed. Because of this, the parents are all fixated on their status and how well their child is doing at school, some paying for cosmetic surgery for their kids, it’s crazy. The work to life balance is also pretty bad. Some kids told me they didn’t even see their parents in the week at all because they stayed so late at work (and they were also in private academies until 10pm).
The saddest part is that it doesn't work. You inherit so much from your parents intrinsically (habits, work-ethics etc) such that the all of the Korean people I've seen ace the exams and/or get to prestigious universities never really participate in those fierce competition. FYI, old money of Korea don't send their kids to Daechi private tuition. On surface, it looks like the parents want their kids to succeed, and giving them all the condition to succeed, but really, it is greed. They failed to achieve the success so they put it on their children to study hard. Needless to say it doesn't work. It's just sad really. Leading by example is the best way to lead. Coercion never worked.
The notion of you have to send your children to expensive private education is a stupidity that has been perpetuated over decades is like Keeping with the Jone's but by sending children to stupid often unecessary private hagwons.
@@londonkkondaeSo basically it's just generational trauma and greed creating this neverending toxic generational relationships. Though South Korean Gen Z (people who are born 1998-2010 [debatable where Gen Z ended and Gen Alpha started but let's pretend it's 2010]) I believe most of them have child free mindsets. It's going to always be like this when Boomer, Gen X, and Millennials that govern today still refuse make the country better place (non toxic education culture, job opportunities, affordable but good housings, etc) for younger generations like Gen Z and Gen Alpha. Difficult environments make people doing whatever it takes to survive, and young generations do it by planning to not having children. As Gen Z myself, I can 100% sympathize with them.
@@way9883 toxic people generally find a way to implode on themselves. So I believe by not giving them the attention they're craving, they'll just do that on their own. Yes, on societal level, unfairness, injustice will always exist. That's the very definition of a system - it has a function, and there are always winners and losers. If you ask me though, from where I am, the situation in Korea is actually not any worse than what it's like in other countries. All of the difficulties (like insane house prices, stagnating wages) are happening globally in all major cities, and at least Korea has jeonsae - where you don't pay £2500/m on rent each month, and save money you won't just blow away. We can complain that people won't change things for us, or we can change things the way we see fit. And FYI - when it comes to men at least, the bottom 10% (in terms of income) gets married only 20% of the times, and the top 10% gets married 90% of the time.
Government: let’s make everything so expensive with such a high profit margin for ourselves and our corporations that people can just barely afford to live. Also government: why no babie?!?
This video mentions individualism as one possible cause, but with Japan at least, the opposite seems to have more effect: Their collectivist views basically go towards constant self-sacrifice in the name of society, at the expense of not being able to give enough focus to build up yourself and your family. Like, that stupid custom of having to go drinking with your boss, or the one of not being able to leave early because the first one to go is a bad worker. I'm sure a lot of people would rather use that time to date, or spend it around your partner, or with your kids.
There are definitely people who will have less children or none at all due to individualism, as with all things, extremism is negative. This can be said for so many things but the balance has to be found.
@@slicedonion8313 I agree. Personally I believe in the needs of the many, the common good, but I think is very important to keep in mind that "society" is not a real, physical thing, society is the individuals within it, and benefiting society is supposed to be beneficial for the individuals within it. Sacrificing too much the individual in favor of the society is a self-defeating endeavor.
As a younger person I’m terrified of what the generation after us will have to deal with. I’m worried if I put kids into this world what will happen to them.
Why would you assume the next generation would be like the people who didn't reproduce? They are the offspring of those who reproduce despite this trend. There's no reason to believe the trend will continue for long, it's a self-ending phenomenon.
I think it's also important to note that people want to have kids, but housing and healthcare costs are so unbearable that it's literally impractical for them to have more than one. This rings true for most of Europe, as well as places like Hong Kong and Korea.
정확합니다. 서울의 평균적인 아파트는 일반 직장인이 30~40년간 한 푼도 안 쓰고 모아야 살 수 있습니다. 결혼과 출산, 육아에 필요한 '집'을 위해 결혼과 출산, 육아를 포기하게 되는 아이러니함이 존재합니다. Exactly. The average apartment in Seoul can only be bought by ordinary office workers for 30 to 40 years. There is an irony of giving up marriage, childbirth, and parenting for the "home" needed for marriage, childbirth, and childcare. In addition, the company forces workers to work overtime, which reduces the amount of time they can spend with the family, thus weakening family bonds. Korea has no choice but to comply because workers exist in a very disadvantageous social position.
Yepp, even here in Sweden the housing costs are quite steep for young people to get a nice place to live. I was fortunate enough to be able to live with my parents until the age of 26 while saving every type of income I could and invest some of it. I limited the amounts I would spend and pretty much never went out to party because I felt forced (by the housing costs) to get into the housing market asap. It took me 8 years of constant saving to buy a 2 room apartment (46 sqm) with a 30% down payment and I'd consider myself lucky.
As a Korean student, it is very hard to live in Korea. Of course, it is great for economic growth, culture, and K-pop, but it is hard for people to live in. The American college entrance exam has many opportunities, and I heard that individuals' tendencies and activities are more important than their grades. This is not the case in Korea. Only 4% of students get the best grades and go to good colleges. This competition is very difficult. They do not respect individual tendencies and competencies.. Teen suicide rates are very high (I used a translator. It could be wrong) +++ I'm not saying that it's easy to go to college in the U.S. But in Korea, you can't get a job unless you graduate from college. Only the top 4% of students go to good colleges, and the remaining 96% of students are having a hard time.. we have to study 12years for CSAT. The Korean education system doesn't give students time to think about what they want to do in life. It's only competition for grades There are reports of students attempting suicide during the CSAT exams due to overwhelming pressure, or tragically taking their own lives after completing the tests. It happens almost every year..
@@Flash_345 Yeah, no. Studying in the US is easy asf. I went to live there after not being able to pass my university in Brazil, and in the US, i passed with flying colors. Literally straight A's... The thing is with the US, they help you alot. They give you chances and time, in Brazil you only have 2 or 1 chances to do what you gotta do, and if you don't do well... you go back to square 1 🤷🏾♀️
@@aenning I wouldnt say easy af. They have a pretty rotten system as well. However, compared to Korea, its like a dream. The same way as Americans see education or public health from (For example, my homeland, Argentina) South America or European countries a dream. We all envy from others what we dont have but dont see what we do have. We envy Korea for many reasons (and rightfully so) and they envy us for many other reasons (and, rightfully so), no one has it better or worse than others, at least not on the large scale. We all have things that in the eyes of an outsider make our countries paradise, and we all have systems that are rotten AF..
A famous Korean novelist said this. "In Korea, childbirth is a middle class culture." And it is very difficult for Korea to become a middle class in the true sense. Salaries do not increase surprisingly compared to deformedly expensive housing costs and increasingly expensive prices. Above all, the gap between Korea's small and medium-sized enterprises and large corporations is too wide. The majority of Koreans attending small and medium-sized enterprises are not subject to the standard labor welfare proposed by the state. The few elites who work for large corporations also carry out murderous schedules because they are elite. Koreans self-help as they watch the lights of corporate buildings that are still on late at night when people need to sleep. "Look at that, it's like a lighthouse." Since living alone is so fierce, Koreans are too burdened with raising children. More couples do not have children even if they get married, and many young people avoid marriage or dating because of the "high cost." Korea has the highest suicide rate among OECD countries. Now, Korea is becoming the first 'suicidal country' in the history of the world. It's sad, but it's too late. (The sentence can be awkward because it's using a translator.)
I mean children are cute and funny,I don’t think they don’t want children. I think they are not earning more and the daily needs have gotten expensive. Koreans should be more aggressive in cracking down corruption. Sadly there’s no time to save your brothers And sisters on N.Korea.
Yes, that is exactly the point of the matter. The video says that the welfare system for women is the solution, but this is a wrong answer without knowing the situation in Korea. Korea has long had many welfare programs favored by women due to the high number of female patients with depression. Nevertheless, the low birth rate situation has become serious. The cause is the misuse of statistics. In fact, on the contrary, the low birth rate has accelerated due to institutional alienation of men. When looking at the number of Korean youth suicides, men are overwhelmingly higher than women. And by Korean culture, men do not want to be treated for depression. Rather, they try to hide it from their surrounding eyes and tend to refuse medical treatment at all. In addition, men are obligated to take responsibility for their families by Korean culture, and salaries that do not rise compared to living prices make them give up preparing for their families. It is good that women's education and social status are rising. However, in Korea, the social status of men has been lowered, resulting in the status of women. In Korea, women are better rewarded than men because they are only women, regardless of whether they are stupid or smart. Men who have worked more have to yield to women the compensation they deserve from the company. This is the beginning of the problem. If a woman is smart, it's not a problem, it's better. but The problem is the benefits they take away from men just because they are women. Smart Korean female CEO are also troubled by the fact that their companies don't work because of women who were promoted just because they were women. In summary, In order for a woman to become a mother. and she must meet and marry a man, and at least in Korea, the man must receive enough money from a company to prepare to meet and marry a woman. But, The moment the women take away men's money, men give up and eventually fewer men get married. Women will get some money but don't have children. As a result, a society where women take all the pies that men must ate will create a low birth rate. This is the process of the community collapse apart. Can a woman with a high social status think of marrying a man who has not prepared? In the case of Korea, even women with low social status are avoiding men who have not prepared. This is because, as a woman, she does not think of raising children after marriage in a bad environment. In conclusion, the reinforcement of gender equality policies for women in the video is a wrong solution.
As a Korean, I fully agree with the future prospect of the low birth rate. Everyone here in Korea seems to be aware of the problem but no one is coming up with solutions. People are so absorbed in getting their life together in this extremely competitive environment that they simply cannot think of having a family let alone taking care of their own family. The government is merely busy with advertising their "magic bullet" policies to solve the issue with astronomical amount of taxes that we pay. My own hot take, I don't think Korea will survive long in this mess
Hyper-capitalism dragged South Korea out of poverty, but at the same time has ruined the amount of free time available for workers, created a toxic hyper-competitive culture, and created a massive amount of stress/anxiety/burnout for both students and workers. It’s no wonder that the fertility rate is so low, because the very structure of the society is literally toxic and poisonous towards those who want to make families
Why don't you Koreans start long distance relationships and then make plans to move to another country, then years later move again to South Korea with a family and money, open a business and keep growing your country's economy? I know it's not that simple, but you know the meaning of the word "alternative"? It means you WILL sacrifice many things for surviving. I'm from El Salvador, and many of my compatriots had to flee to USA in 1980 because of our civil war, it changed the structure of our country, and nowadays many compatriots are sending remittances to help the people in mainland.
The housing market explains 75% of this trend. My father as a high school graduate, was able to afford a good house with 30 month of his wage. Today as a PhD I cannot buy same house for 600 months of my current wage. Same goes for rents...
Yup. If people can't afford to live, then they won't want to bring a family into the world until they feel stable. If people want 2.5 children, they would be having them. So why aren't they? Because they can't afford them. Housing being the most expensive reason, then the loss of income for a parent to stay home. Improve working conditions for people, reduce the working week/hours and fix the housing problem. Stop importing more people to prop up a broken system.
well there are more humans around compared to when your dad was a whipper snapper, and they all want a house, also now houses are affordable only to families and couples
Answer: corporate greed and corrupt politicians making life harder for everyone for more profit. People don't have the energy, time or finances to date anymore...let alone start a family. Year after year people are working more for lest pay as politicians try to convince us inflation is on the rise because "productivity isn't high enough" .
@@ninjanate5018 It's funny that there was a recent article saying a lot of these politicians and CEOs are retiring and leaving for 3rd world countries because of 'Social decay' in their home western country.....
Then they complain about the massive population and welcome immigrants randomly to vote then so does dumb s*t to fund wars to kill off more civilians and drag them to unholy things they do to support trafficking. It would be better if they fund building advance vehicles a project to build colonies to different planet like earth.
The fact that both my wife and I need to work full time to barely afford housing and care for 1 child is probably a big part of why people in "developed" countries have smaller families If stay-at-home parent was a job that paid decently as opposed to costing a lot, or if housing wasnt so expensive, or hell, if it was still possible for a single income to support a whole family, we wouldnt be in this mess Ask yourself, who exactly is getting most of the wealth in these "wealthy" countries. Its not the average person wanting to have a family.
Boomers scorched the Earth at all fronts, they f*cked the environment on a planetary level, they modernized the exploitation system, they rigged the economy and pension systems, they retire and still vote for the populist idiots that will pander to them.
The management company at my apartment pushes the belief that it's normal for rents to increase 5-10% a year (or more). This makes me think that the housing market is the basic cause of inflation.
It is quite simple why this phenomenon has happened worldwide, especially in developed countries. In our grandparents' era, due to the industrial structure, they needed more human resources that didn't need to be highly educated or skilled. Quality didn't matter at that time. But in our era, low-skilled but labor-intensive jobs were quickly replaced by machines, and now it has become extremely competitive to secure employment. Parents must invest more time and resources in educating their children than before. This leads to a significant opportunity cost per child that is challenging for a household to afford. Additionally, due to the drawbacks of capitalism, our purchasing power is lower than that of our parents. We are the first generation where both parents need to work full-time and nurture their children simultaneously.
Exactly. Anyone who enjoys automation machines and technology including AI _should_ know that ultimately what it means is we will need less, much less people.
Lol, no. It's the correlation of intelligence + societal decadence and low birth rates. People say wealth inequality, housing, economy. That's all BS. That is their intelligence, rationalizing why they can't, justifying why they won't, or their self-centeredness in living for 'experiences' in a world with distractions that inculcate people into a dopamine feedback loop. They have that luxury in decadent society devoid of culture or religion , but of consumption and consumerism. But poor people have kids, people who suffer have kids, people with nothing have kids. Nearly half of the population in Palestine are kids. Many people in unsafe, jobless neighborhoods, relying only on welfare, people living extreme rural areas or religious/cultured people, immigrants with nothing but their clothes on their backs, they have kids. Sweden has free healthcare and ample housing, but they don't have kids. In fact, you could give everyone everything, and I bet you they would still fall under the replenishment rate. Yet, the dockworker making pennies off the dollar straight from Italy, with no wealthfare, getting ripped off by the mob in early 20th century America will still have several kids. People refuse to have kids because they can't ever imagine raising kids in a world post 'climate change', yet people during the bubonic plagues, mass poverty/genocides, 100 years wars can? 😂 please spare me the BS.
Drawbacks of capitalism is a bit of a reach... Were definitely having some issues due to things being mis-managed as of late, but look at the state of our socialist counterparts! There is definitely a lot we need to fix with our current system. But in my opinion these are issues we are yet to solve, not issues caused by capitalism. Besides housing cost which is a serious issue but once again isn't really an issue inherent to capitalism, were just at a tipping point for our particular system
@@THE_MOONMANwhy as soon as somebody mentions that modern capitalism is unsustainable, people need to go to the other side of the spectrum, nobody is rooting for full fledged communism with gulags and shit. However, the issues we are facing today are absolutely caused by unbridled capitalism.
I went to university for psychology, am working 75% in that field, and can just about afford to live in a 25 m² appartment as long as I don't get a car. If I decide to have a child, my living situation will become deeply uncertain, and I don't know if I could provide for one for that long. I know plenty of other people who live in similar situations where just affording to live on their own is already tough. While Kurzgesagt talks about how great life has become, I am wondering what they are talking about. We can barely even afford to have kids anymore now. Back then one parent could afford to support a family of 6, along with a house of their own and two cars. Of course no one is having kids anymore if you make everyone effectively too poor to support one.
My girlfriend and I have deeply discussed the same problems. Initially we both agreed to wanting three kids, but especially over the course of the last year, watching economies turn to complete turmoil, cost of living becoming more and more out of reach every day, and child care being so incredibly expensive... we're no longer sure if we want kids. Not even accounting for wanting to actually enjoy our lives, take vacations, explore different countries... there's so much going against even trying. In between thinking if its even worth having kids.
“While Kurzgesagt talks about how great life has become” people like you is why we have so many problems in this world, is everything about you you and only you and your problems. And how your parents had it better than you according to you. Life has improved for people world wide in the last 50 years exponentially, you’re not the norm, you’re just an unfortunate person having a bad time.
@@kotzpennerGermany has a healthy dose of public housing which places pressure on the private market for healthy competition. This is the difference between capitalism (capital) and socialism (public ownership). Outside of the EU, the housing market is a major problem.
Actually while I was visitng sweden and denmark over the summer I noticed how many children there were, and how different it felt, turns out during covid they actually experienced a small baby boom due to their policies towards child care and benefits for new parents. Ofc its not perfect but I think it is one of the few instances where a birthrate has increased a lot in a country that had falling birthrates in the recent decade!
Shocker, if parents aren't doomed to a life of poverty just to grow up a single child, they are more likely to have children. I swear the policy makers are the stupidest mfers out there, still not solving this issue.
@@Gb-be9bnyeah cause both parents have to work to make ends meet and not end up in poverty. The reason that in Africa birth rates are still high is that many people there live in such poverty that they need their children to take care of them when they're old, so more kids means more helping hands. Almost everywhere birth rates are low, even not incredibly wealthy places. Only in Africa and the Middle East is that not yet the case
@@Gb-be9bn because the "richest countries" are the ones where both parents have to worj a 9-5 to be able to afford a living. There is no time to be with the baby, no time to be with the kid, and the kid has to spen half their childhood in daycare. Lose lose for everyone.
The absolute panic that the US population might shrink to 250 million is amusing. That is where we were in the late 1970s. And it was a fairly awesome time to live. I was a child and I could run around all day with my friends and as long as we came home when the streetlights came on it was fine with the parents. We had so much freedom. Schools were very good. Less crime. Just easier living. I think we have too many people for our institutions to handle.
Literally the case in many countries is the lack of affordability. Here in the US housing is expensive. Many young people are still living with their parents or are opting to renting an apartment. Healthcare is a joke. One visit to the hospital/ER can financially bankrupt you. Many women/mothers don't receive substantial benefits such as lengthy maternity leaves. Access to daycare services is expensive. Food is getting more expensive. Higher education is expensive. The idea of having a single child right now sounds like a nightmare.
That is fundamentally wrong. It is the perception of affordability and the choice by individuals, more specifically women, to not sacrifice any amount of quality of life to have kids. A generation of unparalleled wealth and quality of life can't have kids because they are addicted to everything being perfect and easy. I am tired of people making the affordability excuse, the data says its wrong. Stop making this argument.
@@koy540seconded, the economy had undergone a massive shift over the past three years, 29% are doing remote or hybrid work, 40% have the option to do either and yet there's still no baby boom and people are still complaining about the cost of childcare. Women just don't want children anymore, period 🤷♀️
@@koy540 That is a huge generalization. And I'm not sure why you are saying affordability isn't an issue when it is. Look at the average wage as a proportion of the average rent from the 1980s and compare that with 2023 if you need proof.
Its mostly about income: My father bought himself the large house they raised me and my sister with a job as a technician. Today, both me and my syster have graduations, full time jobs and still can't even dream of being able to purchase a house. Houses in my country spiked from 180 to 900K on average in less than a single generation. In all, we can't afford shit, surviving without burdening our parents past our 30's is already a dream, let alone having everything my parents had at 24's.
I'm not discounting the high demand for real estate... but... My father was born in 1942 and grew up right smack in the middle of middle class. Middle class meant he grew up in a 10' x 11' room with two brothers, all three sharing the same bedroom, meant he had to pay his way through college -- which wasn't that hard because tuition hadn't exploded in price (primarily due to the steady stream of easy-to-obtain government loans), meant they took one vacation per year where they took the one car in the family to a scenic area in the same or a neighboring state, meant he had a few shirts and a few pants at any given time, meant no smartphones, multiple TVs, videogame consoles, PCs, etc. When I look at what middle class is today, it is tremendously opulent and luxurious by comparison -- and of course that costs a heck of a lot.
@@CharlesNauck "markets" don't have some magical autonomous will. Its merely the way people act when incentivized to in certain ways. its the way people play the game within a very tightly predetermined (which every market in human history has been.) (please spare me the nonsense about capitalism= less government. capitalism is and was the largest government run project in human history. capitalism is in every sense a product of highly developed modern nation states. if the results of it are disastrous, change the rules of the game. Christ people are dense,
I completely agree with the conclusion of this video. Many parties tend to blame the declining birthrate in many countries to the individuals who reject the idea of having kids, but they failed to see that the government need to create a society where having kids and sustaining a healthy family is not a complete nightmare financially. When surviving is not much of an issue for 99% of the people, they will naturally think of having kids again.
Korean Women's Statistics No. 1 in traveling prostitution in the world No. 1 in renewed abortions No. 1 in STDs in history (4 times more than men) Lowest material index No. 1 in luxury consumption No. 1 birth rate in old age No. 1 in divorce rate Asia No. 1 in newborns with disabilities 28.5 percent. It's not a matter of fertility, and most Korean men have no intention of marrying or even dating Korean women. In a country with 1.2 million traveling prostitutes, an STD rate of more than 50 percent, and more than 1 million women having abortions a year, there are no more men willing to make the world's most expensive contract and lose their entire life savings.
@@jasonclassmate2292 I agree with your first point. In fact, the video also mentioned that. That's probably because they have a relatively lower living standard. But I think you forgot that it is mentioned some people in these poorer countries tend to move out to more advanced countries to get better jobs. But after 2 to 3 generations they will adapt and have less child because of the high living cost. That's my point, if we want to maintain sustainable birth rate in first world countries like Japan and South Korea, the governments need to make sure affording essential living there is not as hellish.
My work shift is 10 hours a day, starting before my kids go to school and ending after they get out. I have to PAY not just for school and supplies and lunches, but for before and after care at said school and a nanny to drive my kids there because I’m already at work by the time even their early care begins. The world punishes people for daring to have children and then we wonder why more people don’t do it…
I feel like this video doesn't address the underlying issue with birth rates: The cost of healthcare, the cost of taking care of a child, and the absolutely crushing lack of opportunity and uncertainty of the future, loss of faith in the society you're growing up in, and a lack of societal stability giving you confidence to procreate and ensure a stable springboard for your progeny. People have kids when they have hope, and that's at a critically low supply right now
This video doesn't address other main issues like the insane inequality in wealth distribution, where 99% of people work their whole lives to be paid miserably while 1% is swimming on gold.
Come to Germany with very cheap healthcare, free schools and universities, as well as free kindergartens in some states. Working times are still too long (40 hour weeks are unfortunately the norm) which leaves too little time for oneself and a family
A central problem is that the wealth in society is held by the old, whereas in order to justify kids, young people need affordable housing with lots of space, and income security. Speeding up intergenerational wealth transfer, especially of real estate, is key to population sustainability.
@NONICHE.ECOLOGY Your antihumanist scarcity mindset will fail as exponentially-increasing solar and wind power installs outstrip declines in fossil fuel extraction. Twenty thousand times more solar energy shines on the Earth than humanity's current energy usage. As an increasing fraction of that energy comes under human control we will connect the dots from the Renaissance to the Enlightenment, through the Industrial Revolution, to building an Eden under human control. Just as members of todays' lower classes have better health care and living conditions that the kings of the dark ages, so everyone in the right-sized population of the future will share a Terrestrial ecology optimized for our flourishing and enjoyment. We already affect the climate, and are rapidly gaining the wisdom to have dominion over it.
No. Wealth is held by a small cult of Bankster Families. The old ones with their properties and retirement plans will be taxed and reduced to welfare with your ignorant co operation. You blame what you see on the surface and know absolutely nothing of the 1% who rule over you behind the stage curtain. Puppet, you ?
Ah, so that's why they passed the new MAID in Canada. Just convince the old people they are hoarders to keep what they earned and give them a convenient solution.
Problem with property is large firms buying out houses to rent at far above what someone would be paying in mortgage payments, and artificially increasing property values. What your grandfathers could buy within a year on a single income would take two people working far longer to be able to afford. Nobody wants to raise kids in $1,000/month studio apartments so its not shocking birth rates are at an all time low. Combined with widespread birth control to give access to careless sex, anyone who says lowering birth rates and increased STDs are delusional at best and willful perpetrators at worst
Im Spanish and this gloomy scenario also rings true for my country. Around 28% of our young population is unemployed, plenty more are still living in their parents' house because most of the jobs are precarious (heavily biased towards tourism) or can't provide housing and an independent life. Most of the people my age (I'm 28) just can't start a life on their own and bring a child with the immense cost and dedication needed. Rural areas are largely unpopulated as well and big cities are impossible to live in. Tourism has led to housing speculation and rents are higher than ever (in some points matching or even surpassing the minimum wage), so a room is what most of the people my age can afford, or keep living with their parents. Men and women work just as much on 40-hour/week jobs that many times prove insufficient to even pay rent. Most people don't have the means nor the time to form a family. Birth rates dropping is only a tell-tale sign that many things are wrong with our current, developed countries such as mine, where there's a huge economic barrier to even consider having a child.
Sadly, mass tourism doesn't have the job stability & security to keep food on the table and retirement less worrying. Everyone becomes informally employed instead of fully absorbed into the workforce + able to join workers union. I can see this happening in Spain, Greece and Thailand where they have high dependency on tourism and lack of diverse jobs in places outside of large metropolitan areas. Not everyone wants to work as contract-based hotel janitors in Costa del Sol, Costa Brava, Benidorm or Mallorca.
La pregunta aquí es, si no se puede pagar ni siquiera la renta- en pocas palabras, la propia vivienda- se puede considerar eso como un país desarrollado? 🤔 o qué cosas son las que definen a un país desarrollado? Sería interesante cuestionarnos eso antes!
If I could have established a steady career with a dependable income I would have married and raised a family. When one of the bosses of my former company left to start a new company he took a $250M severance package. The current CEO makes nearly $1B a year. When I was fired I was offered 6 months severance pay--about $50K, and haven't found steady work since. I've never felt financially secure enough to enter into family obligations.
@@-C3S1UM- I turn 70 in less than 3 months so it's too late for me to start a family or establish a new career, but at least I own a nice home in a quiet, safe suburb with enough retirement income to enjoy it, so don't feel too bad for me.
Many young people don't even have their own home. You can have more money, but if you pay more for living, you are not rich at all. Rents and house prices are crazy - impossible to buy a house/flat without going into debt for 2 lifetimes. Many people just don't want children because it's economically unbearable.
@@tomashromnik108Prices rise because people keep buying or consuming. This especially is so when commodities are limited. So less people=less consumers=lower or at least stable prices. And not to mention less waste, pollution and carbon emissions.
Great video! Personally I'm disgusted when I hear people say that you shouldn't have kids because less humans = a healthier earth. What is Earth without humans (and any life for that matter)? Just another lifeless rock floating in a sea of an unconscious universe.
That’s very much entitlement, animals exist too. If it was just them, the Earth would be peaceful and full of life till the sun explodes. Humans are destroying it. I don’t think we should get rid of humans entirely, I just think humans need to do a better job at taking care of the planet. That is much harder when there are lots of us, because of the amount of resources we take up.
I've been finding that a large portion of the reasoning for not wanting to have children in many countries now by my generation is that it's become hard to sustain ourselves, let alone a family. Housing is not a realistic goal, jobs are much harder to get, education is questionable, and ethics have become a joke. We are a generation more connected because of the internet, but because of this availability of information, we've been able to see more of what's going on around us. I personally am terrified of the lack of ethics and planning for our future right now by the people in charge, as I don't feel comfortable bringing someone else into this mess right now. As the wage gaps continue to expand between the rich and poor, the old and youth, there seems to be MUCH less focus on long-term sustainability and infrastructure, which leads a majority of the generation to not have the same ambitions or to be left scared and confused about what's actually possible anymore.
Really stupid how humans of decades ago were afraid of overpopulation and decided to do dumb things like one child policy, then when population starts going down, they start doom mongering about decreasing population.
Just add parental support into the laws. Every child has to pay 10% of their income to their parents. Then you can take a mortgage for 18 years to cover child raising costs and then use the parental support payments to payoff the mortgage. if you mess up and your children become bums you will be stuck with the mortgage. But if you do a good job and your children become productive members of society you will make a profit on the investment.
@@prabuddhaghosh7022yes nice idea and then the next generation has even less resources to spend during the most crucial years of their development, all the while already having to support the weight of an overaged population.
@@prabuddhaghosh7022 I'd lean towards agreeing with this. This is what we do now anyway, we tax the young to support the old. It's just rather than being taxed to support someone else's parents, you are taxed to support your own placing far more burden on parents to look after their own kids rather than relying on someone else's kids. Of course, that would only work if our regular state taxes were decreased to match. Reading the replies below, it's funny how angry people are at the idea of taxing kids to support parents when that is basically how we've lived for 100s of thousands of years with kids having to support their parents in their old age with parents knowing their care in old age relied upon how they raised their children. People seem so unhappy with the idea of personal responsility to raise their own kids, but perfectly happy with the idea of taking the work of other people's kids.
I'm 34 nurse in Italy. Working at public hospital, so doing great by nurse standards. I literally could live better 10 years ago when i was working in private retirement houses and getting 400€ less monthly than I am now. I can barely pay rent and get to next paycheck and i get to the job by foot and dont have to use a car etc, and since i have 0 social interactions out of work i dont spend money on "going out and drinks". I would like to have a wife and a kid (perfectly 3 as it was always my dream to have 3 kids) but honestly with the wages and prices overal, I can't imagine how one to afford a house/appartment and have money to raise a child. Like ok, with 2 parents working there may be enough money for house, school, and kids extracurriculars. But then there would be no time at all to dedicate to the child. And i dont want a kid growing up alone traumatized that his parents are not with them when they need it the most.
sad to hear, but our wages have been stagnating (or worsening) for the past 20 years, meanwhile inflation in Italy kept growing. Now a lot of Italians work to just stay afloat, the economic commitment to have kids would send a lot of families under. We have a record of 11.5% of workers being poor (under subsistence threshold). There is also another aspect usually ignored: having kids much later in life means the gap between generations widens: I have now 2 kids aged 11 and 8 and have to care for the two surviving grandparents, both suffering from serious illnesses caused by old age. What once was a resource in Italy (grandparents) is fast becoming a burden.
@@juanpabloflores8179 Man, that's terrible to see from an ocean away, I can't imagine what would be living in it. Also it seems that Argentina periodically takes these economic downturns. A hug from Italy, we feel very close to Argentina: it's the Latin American country that received more immigration from Italy of all and also the country with most Italians actually living in (648.333 by the 2010 census)
As a Korean, I sympathized with this a lot. In particular, Korean politicians are not particularly interested in this issue and are doing their best to hide it. Korea was able to emerge as a developed country, but the thought that it will become the first modern country to collapse solely due to internal influences fills me with disgust for politicians.
AFRICAN POLITICIANS ARE NOT INTERESTED IN THEIR PEOPLES WELLFARE, SOUTH AMERICAN POLITICIANS ARE ALSO CORRUPT, SOUHT KOREAN POLITICIANS WERE NOT REALLY INTERESTED DURING THE 1950S WHEN KOREAN WAS AT WAR BUT KOREANS WERE HAVING 6 TIMES MORE CHILDREN, ALSO INDIA AND SOUTH AMERICA AS WELL AS AFRICANS ARE HAVING MILLIONS OF CHILDRE. I AM TELLING YOU IS THE KOREAN SELFISHNESS AND THE CANCER OF FEMINISM THAT IS KILLING KOREA.
I was shocked when I heard Korean has lower fertility rate than Japan. I've always known that Japan's population become older so I basically thought that Japan's fertility rates are decreaseing -until I saw Korean's rate.
Dude Korea won't collapse. Japan has been facing this population problem (along with economic stagnation) for decades, far longer than Korea. And yet even now, despite allowing barely any immigration, the average Japanese person has a much much better lifestyle than the average person in any high-fertility country. In fact, the countries that are closest to collapse have the highest fertility rates. All this fear-mongering is nonsensical. A couple of decades ago people were doing the same thing about overpopulation. Apparently the world would be overrun and we'd all starve to death because there'd be too many people. Lol. That fear-mongering about population led China to implement the one-child policy, which has now landed it in this new problem. Just relax and let things play out. Worst case scenario, Korea will have to start accepting more immigrants. But considering how the Japan story is playing out, they probably won't even have to do that.
9:06, and that's the *main problem* _Unwin also stated "In the past, too, the greatest energy has been displayed only by those societies which have reduced their sexual opportunity to a minimum by the adoption of absolute monogamy (para. 168). _*_In every case the women and children were reduced to the level of legal nonentities, sometimes also to the level of chattels, always to the level of mere appendages of the male estate._*_ Eventually they were freed from their disadvantages, but at the same time the sexual opportunity of the society was extended. Sexual desires could then be satisfied in a direct or perverted manner... _*_So the energy of the society decreased, and then disappeared."_*_ He points out that "No society has yet to succeeded in regulating the relations between the sexes in such a Way as to enable sexual opportunity to remain at a minimum for an extended period." - _*_and thus all societies have collapsed._* - J. D. Unwin, _Sex and Culture_ circa 1930s 💊 9:47 that's a *BIOLOGICAL* problem, not a cultural one, and nobody asked them to join the laborforce to be pawns to the elites either.
I have one daughter and 100% of mine and my girlfriend's time is already spent on taking care of her, entertaining her, working, commuting to/from work and essential household chores. It's really hard to imagine having a second child at this point. For us the limiting factor is time.
@@xrfa7422 Maybe they don't wanted to be married. Maybe where they live there's no difference between been married or not. Maybe they're happy in that way (?
Parents in poor countries let the kid roam around and help them with work. That works for them. It’s too much work trying to clean up after a thing that makes a mess, but if you can change the thing to help you. Now you can have more of those things.
My parents are both teachers. After college they quickly got lifetime contracts, took a loan, bought a house and eventually paid off the loan. Now 40 years later, with the house having lost quite a bit of (relative) value and them having reached higher positions in their schools, they would no longer be able to afford this house. So if you start now with a beginners income (and of course no lifetime contract, even in your wildest dreams) ... yeah, good luck with that. I might have a hunch as to why people were more likely to have kids back then.
@burnjapanandrisingsunflagDo you know that there are dozens of benefits that support single female households in Seoul? Do you know that more than half of the universities where only women can attend are selected as pharmacists, one of the most coveted jobs in Korea? A man who has cancer and weighs 170cm and weighs 48kg also goes to the army, and you know that women are not obligated to do any defense at that time?
@burnjapanandrisingsunflagDo you know that there are dozens of benefits that support single female households in Seoul? Do you know that more than half of the universities where only women can attend are selected as pharmacists, one of the most coveted jobs in Korea? A man who has cancer and weighs 170cm and weighs 48kg also goes to the army, and you know that women are not obligated to do any defense at that time?
_Unwin also stated "In the past, too, the greatest energy has been displayed only by those societies which have reduced their sexual opportunity to a minimum by the adoption of absolute monogamy (para. 168). _*_In every case the women and children were reduced to the level of legal nonentities, sometimes also to the level of chattels, always to the level of mere appendages of the male estate._*_ Eventually they were freed from their disadvantages, but at the same time the sexual opportunity of the society was extended. Sexual desires could then be satisfied in a direct or perverted manner... _*_So the energy of the society decreased, and then disappeared."_*_ He points out that "No society has yet to succeeded in regulating the relations between the sexes in such a Way as to enable sexual opportunity to remain at a minimum for an extended period." - _*_and thus all societies have collapsed._* - J. D. Unwin, _Sex and Culture_ circa 1930s 💊
I would like to contribute my point of view on this matter. I'm from Brazil, and both my maternal and paternal grandparents had between 6 to 13 children. It was very common in their time for women to give birth at a young age, around 20 years old, and they would have many children. They didn't lead luxurious lives, and a lot of people raised chickens, pigs, cattle, and vegetables to help with their daily diet. They were from a time when women didn't work; only the men would provide for everyone in the family, and yet they managed to live a humble life. Then, people from the same age group as my parents (now in their 60s) had between 1 to 4 children, and they still struggled to maintain their households. Despite having fewer children, they no longer cultivated crops or raised cattle as people migrated to urban jobs. Even with women joining the workforce, they still struggled to have a decent life. Now, I'm the first in my close social circle to have children. We're in our 30s to 40s now, and most don't want to have children. Both my wife and I work, and we barely manage to have a decent life with just one child. So, raising a family is becoming increasingly expensive over the span of 100 years. The cost of living, healthcare, entertainment - everything is on the rise. If my grandparents had 13 children today, without any support and with just one person working, they would starve. In overall, there is general feeling that our grandparents could do more with less. I will also leave a random information here: The richest 1% in the world kept almost 2/3 of all wealth generated since 2020 - around US$42 trillion.
Here's the thing, women were always working. The issue is everyone being aware of such. Running the affairs of a household and raising children is no small task and is a proper full-time job in itself if done correctly. But it's not valued properly by modern society in the scheme of things. That type of job which is necessary has its time demands unmet when the current social order pushes things into requiring two incomes to afford housing and most necessities as they are in the developed world. Thus compensated labor stole away from the requirement of "uncompensated" labor as needed for society to actually function. (Uncompensated is in quotes, because any couple that recognizes the importance of what is done at home is going to cover the costs of the at-home spouse to take care of needs and keep them happy. So it's "uncompensated" in the regards to how economic book-keeping is usually done for tracking income.)
Yeah most of the wealth going to such a small portion of people is an insane issue, just imagine if those people just gave up half of their income to give back to their employees. Maybe people would actually be able to afford shit these days.
9:38 my idol was raised like that He was the son of his community more than anything, and grew up to live for the community, and thriving at that A diamond in the rough
(Edit: video title has changed since I made this comment. Didn't used to specify Korea.) Low wages and an obsession with infinite growth are holding us back. Over the last 30 years our effective buying power has been cut in half. If people were able to work fewer hours for more pay, they'd be able to better pursue family, careers, and their own happiness with less compromise.
how can you be married if you don't have any home am i right? housing price is sky high, inflation is the problem. i mean older days its cheaper to buy land and property, nowdays 100m2 land is already expensive in some countries. also the lifestyle now more needy, healthcare is also a problem.
@burnjapanandrisingsunflagKorea's security is among the best in the world and its crime rate against women is very low. Also, the average educational background of women is at the top of the list. Korea's women's rights are among the highest in the world.
@burnjapanandrisingsunflagMolka is pretty much an urban legend at this point. They were searching for Molkas in women's bathroom located at major train stations in Seoul and you know what happened? They found none after a whole month of intense investigation.
A while back I had the displeasure of listening to a senior citizen (who shall remain unnamed) complain about how young people these days are just so lazy. "By the time I was that age, i AlReAdY hAd A hOuSe." And I'm over here struggling not to blow up and tell them to get a fucking clue. The economy is NOT the same.
@@zayedbinimran957 In fairness we will probably act in a similar manner if and when we reach their age. It happens with each generation, I have seen my parents complain about my grandparents and now I complain about my parents. The cycle will just continue.
@@20thCentury_Turtle not us. We are gen z. We literally grew up in a world that was constantly changing and as such changes won't impact us as much as the older generations like x and y because in their time change was slow so seeing the world change so fast they couldn't adapt.
The elderly like to victim blame Millennials & Gen Z for the consequences that they themselves created. They worshiped the Greed Machine & made other dumb decisions that harmed us before we were even born.
@@zayedbinimran957Don't you think that is kind of a closed mindset? I mean with Gen Z starting at 1997, none of them were old enough to remember 9/11. The surge in the middle east had died down before any of them were old enough to enlist. To date, the biggest thing gen Z has had to experience was a pandemic scare that just resulted in staying home for a few months then wearing masks for a year or so. Meanwhile Gen Z's parents and grandparents saw wars the US actually took part in. From Vietnam to the Gulf war to the middle east. Along with watching 9/11 on the TV and wondering if their Gen Z kid was still safe at school. Honestly, in my opinion, most of what Gen Z has gone through the first started turning 18, 9 years ago, pales in comparison to what most previous generations experienced. But hey, there's another 10-20 years till their kids are old enough to make this kind of comment so there's plenty of time for actual major changes.
As a Korean I would like to point out that one of the biggest reasons young people can't have kids here is because of the "Seoul Republic" problem. Currently the absolute majority of the Big corporations are located in Seoul or the Seoul metropolitan area. Young people all across the nation has to move to seoul to get a Job. But that only make competition and House prices go higher. It's very hard for this generation to get a job, and it's near impossible to own a house in seoul if you're parent doesn't already have one. This issue plus long work hours and strict work culture kills all thought of having marriage. I believe an update on our work culture and fairer distribution of jobs and infrastructure across regions are absolutely necessary for my countries future. I cannot say there will be a good outcome, but when the population shrinks up to a certain point and the national work mindset changes enough things can change. I like to think the pain we endure today could be a learning experience to be a better nation overall. Anyways much thanks for Kurz!
The "Seoul Republic" problem was almost same 10 years ago. But birth rate was 1.3 at that time. The biggest reasons are house price and unemployment rate.
@burnjapanandrisingsunflag No. First your claim is not true. Second, it can't be the major reason for such a rapid decline in the fertility rate. Yours is just some radical claim that rather disturb constructive discussion and establishment of pragmatic policies. + what's wrong with your id, burn japan? Why so overwhelmed with anger?😂
Obviously, work cultures are very different in places like Korea when compared to the West, but it seems to me a simple solution is allowing the majority of those white-collar jobs to go remote. Allow anyone who wants to move to the countryside to go remote. I think you'd achieve some equilibrium because a lot of people would still prefer city life but those who don't could leave.
I'm a South Korean student. In our county, so many problems spread out anywhere. In everyday, many issues are concerned. Of course, in there, many society issues also include. In this situation, I think our lowest birth rate is not surprising.😢😢😢
I’m not Korean, I’m Singaporean. However, after just a few minutes into this video, I felt like it hit home. I’m actually only 13, but the amount of stress I see in my peers is so insanely frustrating. Many parents constantly put their child through extra tuition, and if you only have 1 or 2 subjects of extra lessons, you’re already considered extremely “fortunate”. I’ve seen parents chiding their child for getting less than 95, or sending their 7 year old for tuition for all subjects. Not to mention, even co-curricular activities (basically clubs in school like badminton) has an effect on your national examination score (which will determine which Junior College you end up in, because people rarely want to go to the less “prestigious” polytechnics). You have to make sure you do charity, have a leadership role in your CCA (club), stay in the same one through your entire secondary school life, and have a close to 100% attendance or be looked down on (aren’t CCAs supposed to be stress-relievers? not some other variation of torture we have to go through 2-3 times a week or more) In fact, i’m not even “qualified” to be sharing my experiences, because according to this system I had it easy. Our first national exams start at 12 years old, and many people already start preparing as young as 7. This is the infamous PSLE, which will determine which secondary school we will end up in. Of course, they vary in “eliteness”, and you will be heavily judged based on what school you go to. Basically, we put 12 year olds into a nationwide exam and put the immense pressure on them to do well (which means at least above 85 for all subjects because elite schools want nothing less). We can’t forget the amount of practice papers and tuition everyday (most kids that age sleep at 11pm-12am). According to my PSLE grades, I am not a student of good caliber, and was immediately sent to a secondary school I barely knew existed. Sure, my parents were disappointed, and I can’t say I wasn’t either. However, none of these things really matter, and plus i’m enjoying my school life right now. I’d much rather be in a non-elite school than slave away for the next four or six years, slogging through exam practices at 1am. for those who read until here, i’m really thankful you took your time to listen to my rant lmao i feel really sad for my friends as I hear them laugh about their insomnia or them crying to sleep because “at least their grades are better”
I’m a Singaporean completing my degree in Sydney, Australia. All the points regarding stress you have made are well founded, I too shared similar views about standardised testing. However, since exposure to international (western) education systems, I believe that the Singaporean system is a relatively good balance between east and west education philosophies. Standardised testing is a relatively fair and accurate method of assessing one’s ability in later stages of education. (Basically, if you don’t do well in standardised tests at level 1, it is unlikely you would do well in level2)The development of technical education in ITE and polytechnics have made strides towards providing alternative routes to success and I encourage you to explore these options as I myself decided to attend a polytechnic instead of a junior college despite scoring decently in my O levels (L1R5 of 12). Also, if you’re dreading attending CCAs, you should probably consider switching to something you are actually interested in. Studying in Singapore will probably be the easiest thing you will have to do in your life as a Singaporean. The fact is we do not have any natural advantages as a country and our human resources which in large part is dependent on our top ranking education system is critical for our nation to stay competitive.
Since you are young, a definite advice I can recommend is to find a form of career you love. Most education system focus on too many shallow subjects, it became worthless in real value. Spending your time to explore things you really want to purse is more important than getting good grades.
In our Australian reality, my girlfriend and I would very much like to contribute kids to the world one day - and our main and biggest obstacle is the cost of living. We both work full time salaries and are stuck renting only barely scraping enough savings up to put away for a property of our own one day. We don't feel comfortable raising kids in a rental environment here in this country at least because of the impermanence of it. Rent goes up every year now. If it weren't for the bank of mum and dad offering help for a deposit, we'd assume all hope is lost.
Move to Korea to teach English. Native English teachers all over the world are paid handsome salaries and have lives better than the average locals of their respective countries.
I remembered when back in the day people were talking about overpopulation a lot of experts said that the human population will average out at around 8-9 Billion. Props to them for getting their estimates right!
Also Africa has been pushing education massively in the last 30 years. These people learned about contraceptives, about abortions and about the importance of a degree. The birthrates in some african countries went down by a very high percentage. Meanwhile in more western countries and just industrial countries in general are just realising that its too expensive OR that it just isnt worth getting kids because of how shitty the world is. I know like 3 people (including myself) that dont want kids just because they think its immoral to bring kids into such a shitty world.
@@itcamefromthedeep The "top out" population has been 10 to 12 billion for the past 40 years. You always had some nuts saying ridiculous things like 100 billion, but you can't take the outliers seriously. Look at the consensus.
We don't need more people. Just move people from the parts of he world that will be inhabitable because of climate change. Move people from the global south to the global north. Don't have more people. The world as we know it will not survive. And they were right about overpopulation. Some just want more people to produce more and make billionaires richer. Meanwhile the average joe is suffering and the environment is destroyed.
The causes of low birth rates in Korea are very diverse and complex, so it's very challenging to find any solutions. As someone who was born and raised in Korea, I believe that cultural issues are just as significant as economic problems (such as high housing prices and the high cost of living). Korean society is very accustomed to comparisons and competition, and the spread of the internet in modern society has made this even worse. People often compare themselves to others in terms of appearance, wealth, education, and more, sometimes idolizing those they perceive as 'superior' or ridiculing those they consider 'inferior'. Nowadays, many 'mediocre' individuals even think it's better not to have children at all if their child can't be the best. In addition, the rate of childless young adults engaging in romantic relationships has been declining significantly. Many young people are now saying that they would rather stay single if they cannot find a partner who meets their (sometimes unrealistically high) standards.
Dude, your country is massively overpopulated. It doesn't matter how people change their behavior, overpopulation in safe environments makes people stop wanting to have babies. The particular ways and particular things people focus on are completely interchangeable Basically, your choice is - either your country returns to sane levels of population density, or you have to make people switch into clueless survival mode while living in the moment where their hormones will tell them to procreate like rabbits.
This is something that needs to be improved all over the world but particularly in Korea. Everyone needs better self-esteem and we need to focus our society more on working together than against each other.
@@NJ-wb1cz Yes, Korea is overpopulated. And the idea of creating more available space by decreasing the population may seem attractive. However, the real concern lies in the population's age structure (As mentioned in the video). In the next 50 years, nearly half of the country's population will be over 65 years old, which could seriously disrupt the current economic structure and make it extremely difficult for society to operate smoothly.
I am turning 30 soon. Most of my 20s have been stressing about getting the right education, finding the good job which provides me with income, working hard to save money for my own house, resulting to having two burn-outs by the age of 28. I haven't had time to find a spouse, and I feel like I might end up childfree. Age cannot be reversed, and I am still 24/7 exhausted due to the last burnout, which I haven't been able to recover from. How am I supposed to raise a child when I already am exhausted, I hardly can go to the grocery store without wanting to cry and yell - not to mention how to find someone willing to make a child with me when I am like this! I would make a horrible parent.
Same, I suffered a burn out at 26 and I am still recovering from it. I do not even have the time or money to start dating and find someone. Unfortunately dating requires time and money which many of us do not have. Plus, incels culture has been growing sporadically. Who wants to marry someone that hates your gender?
@@amyamyamy777 Marry? No I mean to split a flat, home, or whatever. But, you could take advantage of the system and marry as well. It's all pointless anyways at the end of the day.
3:06 is very important and people dont seem to understand. We have made a culture that discourages kids. This is the exact opposite of evolutionary practices that got not only us here but all living things. Please talk about this more. How it happened and what we must do. Take the biggest issue you can. Climate, war, whatever you think of... THIS IS WORSE!
One of the biggest issues I have is that people are already finding it hard to take care of themselves so having a kid would just burden them financially more. High rent with the costs of owning cars due to city's being built around boxes of metal keeps us chained to that system. In the end the cost of living vs average wages is too high.
@@SarahizahhsumA man in Korea has to spend more than a year and a half without pay in the military. But in Korean society, the treatment of soldiers is treated like street dogs. And when you get married, a man has to buy a house, which costs more than $400,000. $400,000 at 30 and serving in the military service? Is this practically possible? But if you don't do this, you're a failure in society
That isn't the cause of low birth rates. Have you looked at the lives of the poor? Or the past? Worse inequality, worse circumstances. And yet people still had and have (in the case of poor nations) kids. The flipside of this is also seen - even the super rich don't have large families. Not even most billionaires do. And programs to incentivize birth, including just giving people cash, have largely failed.
I just have to say, I've never felt so seen in this comment section. I think this is the first time I've truly felt connected to so many other people on the internet that share my concerns and frustrations towards surviving, let alone living, in this world. Stay courageous everyone
I think that's a huge telling of how little it's actually talked about, like yeah inflation and economic downturn is constantly talked about but you never see how many people it actually impacts because it's not covered anywhere ever
@@austins.2495 offspring & leaving a legacy have provided solid reasons to our ancestors to live for. Give it a try. We'll all die one day, there's no need to rush it.
@@GoranSeletkovic so by your logic, if you hate your life and can barely afford to survive, its worth having kids so they struggle just as much, just for the accomplishment of having a legacy? it is incredibly selfish to have kids in todays world, they will struggle since you wont be able to take proper care of them, and you will also struggle trying to raise them and survive at the same time.
I am a Korean born in the 1993. When I graduated from elementary school in 2004, the total number of students was about 2,000. But now the elementary school has 146 students. In just 19 years, the number of elementary school students has decreased by 13 times. What a record. This is even phenomenal
I just hope its not permanent but I can't help but see Korean people and see a bunch of very ambitious young adults who are under immense pressure to reach an ideal perfection. Instead of looking within, it seems the world looks with out and loses self identity for esteem within common globalized cults of cooperate branding and sanctioned behaviors. Its safer to be there running the race than to be alone on the outside as lagging behind vocationally on a global scale has hellish consequences...
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Hot take: the reason why people have less children is not "because magically people stop having children when they stop dying", but that our lifestyle is incompatible with having children. When women were incorportated in the work force, work hours should have been reduced proportionally. We are working more for less, we don't even have time for ourselves, much less for taking care of our children, and most of the basics like home and health has been sequestred for a small portion of the population to live of a chunk of other people's work. Get down to 4 hours of work for both parents to make a living and you will see how suddenly people start having children, because what's needed to nurture children is spending time.
This, something people forget is that overythe course of the 20th century, available hours "doubled" as the half of the population that didn't work before entered the workforce, when there's more supply of something, it gets cheaper, this translated as wages being half of what they could be per hour
OH! So it's just a capitalism problem then? Shocker.
While this indeed points to a bad system. Having less kids is objectively a good thing. Continuous population growth is stupid and nature teaches us that it leads to only one thing: Mass starvation. I'll take some lonely people not being able to have kids over that any day thank you very much. Don't give me that "oh but that's long in the future" gunk either. I know how shortsighted people are, if population growth isn't managed and respected today, it won't be when it's too late either.
That UBI would help too. In the US not having access to healthcare or being able to afford university for your children is another roadblock.
Yeah, started this video and instantly assumed that they will turn this into some sort of mystery when it is a product of capitalism. South Korea in particular is kinda feeling the worst of this so there is absolutely 0 surprise here.
As a teenager, I always imagined that by age 30 I would've married, owned a house and had all the children I was going have. I turn 30 in 8 days. Haven't done any of those things. I've been with my partner for 7 & a half years. If it was up to us, we would've done all of it already, but neither of us see those things as achievable goals for our near future. Housing is way too expensive and wages are too low. Why have kids when we can't afford to feed them or house them? Much less have the time to raise them since we both work full time just to survive. And without all of that, marriage just seems so pointless...
As much as we wish we could start a family, we have no incentive to do so
If Africans living in mud huts can have 7 babies, then so can you.
Enjoy the last 8 days of your twenties 🫡
I have two kindergarden kids. Best thing I did in my life. The maridge collapsed but still we have two wonderfull humans to care for. It will all work out. They really don't need that much money. All they need is parrents that love them and show them they are loved.
@eypxmwgovmifuon7808 Oh, I will! Thank you
Do you really need an incentive for that
It’s simple. No time. No money. Not enough help.
“It takes a village to raise a child” is a very old saying. People are very quick to forget.
Nowadays they cherry pick role models and say "you can make it"
Technically it's still just a saying it takes a father and a mother to raise a child. Hot take. The world's population is in decline because women think men are trash and men are tired of gold digging women. I think the reason why birth rates are so low now is because of equality and feminism
@@jeffreyrodriguez7298 true
Yeah man they pickup 1 percentage and expect all of the others to copy thme 😂@@jeffreyrodriguez7298
They quote a village as if everyone has one available...but most folks don't nowadays because of how we fragmented around social media lines. How many people KNOW more than three of their neighbors on their street? Even just ask that of home-owners, not renters. Renters in apartments may actually interact as their own sub-unit semi-village, too...but 'homeowners' either are there predating social media, or they don't know more than MAYBE a handful of their neighbors. There are surely some exceptions to that, but...anyway, I have lived where I do for YEARS now (3 or 4), but because I'm one of only a very few who refuses to use social media in any form except sorta-youtube (but I only sub for content, not 'belonging' or 'extended semi-family' or something), nobody but my childless "both of them work for a living and they own a dog which they love VERY much!" next door neighbors knows and can believe that I would babysit for ANYONE for a few hours just to help someone preserve their sanity or health. SOMEONE in town would have asked even once if they thought I was safe to ask that of...but A) Fear-bubbles and I'm not in their 'social-medium-existence range' and B) Since they don't know me personally, if they're not my neighbor's BEST friend, I doubt anyone else she knows would ever consider asking me for help with their kids. So not only do we make it hard to raise kids, we make it hard to make a VILLAGE in which to RAISE that child nowadays, and we have NO reason to look surprised at what has resulted from our own long-term-messes.
When I was very young, I used to hang out with a family in our neighborhood who got paid (I forget, some small-but-usable-amount of money) to watch kids from each family. It wasn't perfectly SAFE, but this was also the 'free-range children' era anyway, so kids being a bit self-reliant even from a young age was quite expected. Older girls (and rare boys) would help the mom of the house, the families would pay to be part of that 'extended-household', and we'd even do stuff like 'fix up the house for them' or 'add a new room' or whatever as a village. Someone pulls permits, someone else organizes what materials are needed, someone figures out what the stuff would cost and takes up collections to make it possible. That person took care of your kids; we all wanted to make sure they were happy and had whatever they sensibly-needed in their lives, but ESPECIALLY the stuff they needed to better care for our kids!
I could maybe become that sort of person for my town/section of town/whatever...but I know three households on the street, with two of them being 'on each side of me'. I may even be an overachiever...I understand way too many people just use "Neighborhood Panic" apps and just 'lurk at all those crazy people on our street' from afar rather than actually meeting any of them in real life.
We have done better than we are doing right now. We can DO BETTER once again, if we choose to do so and work for it. 😕
Get OFF of Facebook and Twitter and everything else.... Or at least ban them all from providing news and text outside of 'whatever your phone's recorded travel range is', maybe? I dunno...but let's work on it.
As a Chinese in my late 20s, married and working in the education industry, the odds against me and my wife having kids form an almost endless list. The disparity between our income and cost of decent education is obsurd. Let alone the arms race of education where kids are force fed with lectures and their time is saturated with test prep work to compete with others. A society that surpresses self-expression intrincically breeds more mental health risks for teenagers who need guidance, company and community to nurture their identity development and are especially vulnerable to mental health conditions. More over, a social system where teaching critical thinking skills will face punishment will likely poison the minds of children...so pesimistically speaking, the prospect of having a child does not sound very attractive
Sure, your life may seem tough, but ask your parents or grandparents about what kind of life they had. I too come from a country that has recently industrialized and the difference between my life quality and expectations and those of my grandparents is staggering.
@@barondino4628you mean the Mao Cult generation in China? Yeah, they had it rough that’s a certainty. 😅
I think the original commentator had a good perspective on their current experience in China. Why devalue their relative experience by trying to get them to compare to others of prior lives? We could say that easily about anyone, anywhere, and yet it excludes relative experience of the younger living generation.
@@barondino4628Just because their grandparents had it 'worse' in your opinion doesn't mean that info is going to encourage them to want to have children. You could've tried a positive comment but you led with gaslighting and negativity. 😂
Tell me if this statement is true: ‘If your government wants you to have kids, you will have kids’
I visited China a few times more than a decade ago. Loved it. Loved the people, loved the culture. Loved the honesty. I was excluded from a lot of things because of something about face, I don’t remember what it was called. But to me it was just honest. But I got the impression your gov controlled absolute. But I could be wrong. But the Chinese gov has enough money that they could easily incentivize having children as well. I fully and happily admit I am ignorant and just saying things that feel true. I would easily take correction from you/others.
My condolences. China and korea have the worst education rat race. In chinese case, I think their goals were to create obedient factory workers, not decent human beings. Hopefully it will change with the new generation, when the mental health cost of education cant't justify the economic reward anymore
In Korea, if you use parental leave you are excluded from promotion. Doesn’t matter if you’re the father or the mother. No clue why people don’t have kids, right?
That is so ridiculous, how are people meant to live ?
@@gracialutonadio342 Many Korean vested interests are angry that we are a lackadaisical, lazy, and complaining generation because they were able to raise their children faithfully without paternity leave ;(
Um..It’s not true😅😅
@@Zero7-r6cno, it’s true
Well it’s true in many industries. Once you use maternity leave, you’ll be instantly excluded from major projects. Some of my colleagues actually had 3 months or less not to get fired or bc they’re scared to be treated badly after more months passed. For males, you’ll be harassed if you use one 😂
The effect of an aging population is felt very strongly in Greece. For years our politicians have mostly catered to retirees and government employees and that's been enough to get them elected. But the burden of the system has been felt by the younger generation who, for the most part, have just left the country, leaving even fewer people to support the aging population. It's negative feedback loop at this point.
Similar in the Czech Republic. Politicians bend over backwards for retirees without giving the younger generations a thought. Young people don't vote because no politician represents their interests. Politicians don't care about young people because they don't vote. It's a cursed loop.
Same thing is currently happening in my country! Cant wait to get out tho
So the boomers are reaping what they sew.
Ela Patrida
The younger people need to take back their nation from the corrupt upper class or the young will cause their own end through their indifference
The worst part about this is that it is a vicious circle. The governments will prioritize the elderly majority putting even more strain on the young leading to even less kids and more old people. In my country it is already manifesting by the government spending huge amounts of money to make sure that the pensions keep rising and at the same time they make budget cuts for education and healthcare and do nothing to alleviate the soaring house and rent prices and they can't do anything else because freezing or lowering pensions is a political suicide in a majority old democratic nation.
Edit: I am taking about the Czech Republic, but the issues are basically the same everywhere in the West
Which country is this?
True. Look at Japan. The elderly are literally destroying the future of young people and thus the future of Japan itself. The young Japanese already given up and stopped voting. Which of course lets the ruling party in power and they pour tax money into the elderly. In 2015 age group 20s was already as low as 30% voter turnout, age 60 was 70% study published in Springer Nature.
Denmark had been a gerontocracy for decades, and things aren't going to improve. Problems that mainly plague young people, including the lack of affordable rental housing, is consistently ignored.
how the hell would it lead to more old people? do you think that old people multiply if you feed them?
@@Khunark yes, kind off. People get older if you feed them, so by feeding you get more old people. Every year you get more and more old people.
It's becoming too stressful being a parent, what I've seen my mother go through just to make sure I'm still alive today is a lot... I wouldn't want to go through the same
That's why I'm 43 and only have 1 child. I live in a very dangerous city New Orleans, Louisiana in America. I am constantly worrying about keeping her alive. Its too stressful. It's going to kill me then she will have nobody.
@@krisbk bless you keep fighting
I'm nearly 24 and my parents would have expected me to settle down and support a family by now had the world been an affordable place to live. But kids are expensive and at this present moment I literally have $24 in my bank accounts, and I get paid next week. Living on my own is impossible, I live with two roommates with similar incomes.
This economy is nightmarish. I work 34 hours a week and I'm also a student. I'm bogged down trying to build a successful life in a world that seems hellbent on failing. Everyone in power is obsessed with hate and greed. Not to mention they're old enough that they'll die before they see the consequences of their actions. It feels pretty bleak.
Turn on tune in drop out - Tim o Leary
Courage mate, you will overcome it.
"There's a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart that you can't take part! You can't even passively take part! And you've got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus -- and you've got to make it stop! And you've got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it -- that unless you're free the machine will be prevented from working at all!!"
Mario Savio, 1964
@@EnzoGarabatos That's easy enough to say until a certain point. When does "overcoming it" stop being viable? I'd argue in many countries we've already passed that point. Almost everything is getting worse; pay is insufficient; housing are way too expensive; food prices going up whilst inflation and shrinkflation gives us even less buying power; college costs a lifetime of debt for many of us; I can go on. Yeah sure, somethings are better now than in the past but to be honest I would rather have been young 60 years ago.
Raising a kid isn't as expensive as they scare you into thinking it is. Take it from a dad.
I am a father in America that was fired when I took a week off of work to nurse my wife post pregnancy. A real story to consider in your assumptions.
I am sorry.Yeah its America - whose dream is a nightmare.
This is why I laugh in European when anyone calls the US a developed country 😂
@@Paulito2026 good point
@@dennisengelen2517 the "undeveloped" country that protects you 🤣
@@Paulito2026
No.
"Parenthood needs to stop being a career obstacle. Our cultures need to become more positive towards families." -- utterly utterly important message.
Well babies require 24/7 attention and nana isn’t really a thing in Korea. Even if it was, no one would be able to afford it. It’s not a cultural obstacle of who gets to be the bread winner, it’s because the reality is they can’t even buy a 2bedroom apartment let alone have money to raise a child. It’s impossible to become independent from your parents working a normal office job.
hee hee hee haw
@@josephp9141do you mind expanding on what you mean by “nana isn’t really a thing”?
@@jcheck1107Nana as in person who takes care of your children. A baby sitter but instead lives in your house for as long as you pay them.
Hah! You should run as a comedian!
10:33 I love this line "no one owes their country a child", very well said, love from China!
I saw a video on China now try to force people to have kids and more kids if they already have one or two.
Is that true now?
Except that's not how humanity and civilization as an _entity_ works my guy.
The social contract was _clear_ in the past. You incentivize the *MEN* by exploiting female sexuality for them, which in turn let's society (as an entity) exploit the labor and reproduction of men to self-sustain. (and I don't mean exploit in a negative light)
Once society screwed up this contract by pandering to the female of the species and to satisfy greed for power/wealth of the few "elites", it was all downhill from there.
_Unwin also stated "In the past, too, the greatest energy has been displayed only by those societies which have reduced their sexual opportunity to a minimum by the adoption of absolute monogamy (para. 168). _*_In every case the women and children were reduced to the level of legal nonentities, sometimes also to the level of chattels, always to the level of mere appendages of the male estate._*_ Eventually they were freed from their disadvantages, but at the same time the sexual opportunity of the society was extended. Sexual desires could then be satisfied in a direct or perverted manner... _*_So the energy of the society decreased, and then disappeared."_*_ He points out that "No society has yet to succeeded in regulating the relations between the sexes in such a Way as to enable sexual opportunity to remain at a minimum for an extended period." - _*_and thus all societies have collapsed._*
- J. D. Unwin, _Sex and Culture_ circa 1930s 💊
我也很喜欢这句话
I'm a high school student in Korea, and I have midterm coming up in a few days.
I spend more than half of my day studying, including school routines and hagwon every day, but I can't feel much value from the knowledge I've learned like that. That is nothing more than a tool for competition.
I am tired of the fierce tests and competition that are repeated every semester.
The fact that my child will have to go through this competition in the future is appalling.
In fact, in a survey of class children in my school, most students, except a few, said they don't want to have children in the future, and one of the reasons was the fierce competition structure mentioned earlier.
Everyone talks as if the world is over if they don't get to college, and they value only profits and stability while ignoring individual talents and aptitudes.
Many foreign media, including this video, point to the problem of low birth rate in Korea and its causes, but the Korean political community is sitting on the sidelines of the worsening problem. How sad it is.
ㄹㅇ 나도 그리 생각해서 낳기가 싫다 중간고사....하...ㅠㅠㅠ
왜 방관만하고 개선할생각 안하는지
세금만 훔쳐먹고
대학교도 지금 개박살나는중임
Korean Women's Statistics No. 1 in traveling prostitution in the world No. 1 in renewed abortions No. 1 in STDs in history (4 times more than men) Lowest material index No. 1 in luxury consumption No. 1 birth rate in old age No. 1 in divorce rate Asia No. 1 in newborns with disabilities 28.5 percent.
It's not a matter of fertility, and most Korean men have no intention of marrying or even dating Korean women.
In a country with 1.2 million traveling prostitutes, an STD rate of more than 50 percent, and more than 1 million women having abortions a year, there are no more men willing to make the world's most expensive contract and lose their entire life savings.
근데 사실 우리만 그런건 아님. 인도 중국은 우리보다 더 심하다고 들음. 그냥 우리가 출산 안하고 싶다고 하는거는 인스타때문에라는 데에 동의함. 너무 상향평준화된거로 보이니까.
학교의 공부에서 가치를 느끼지못하는 것에 백배 공감합니다. 그저 경쟁을 위한 도구이고 자신의 길에 그 지식이 필요하지않다면 경쟁만을 불러일으키기에 학생들은 가치를 느끼지 못합니다.
학생들이 하고싶은걸 찾아야하는 나이에 좁은 상황에 갇혀 아주 가치가 없는 것은 아니지만, 가치가 없다고 느낄만한 지식을 머리에 우겨넣는데... 그들이 어른이되면 어떤 행동을 하기전에 그 행동에 대한 가치를 여러번 생각하고 판단하며 예민하게 행동하게 되기에 어떤것이든 보수적으로 받아들이게 되는 것 같습니다...
As a Korean, one of the main reason for rapid fall of birth rate is that the idea of "If we cannot make our children happy, then it is better to not give birth to them" has become so common among the young people in Korea. It is of course an obligation for parents to try their best for their children's happy juvenile life, but the thing is that typicaly Koreans have large focus on economic well-being as a prerequisite for happy life, which not many could attain the general standards for wealthy life.
The bigger picture here is that the West is trying to soften you up into accepting multi-national immigrants. Keep your wits about you.
I'm Vietnamese and share the same belief, for I've witnessed the suffering of small children more than usual due to poverty and abuse.
yeah, I agree. I think their education has a big part on this whole phenomenon too. Education in Korea is very old fashioned, it's all about printing the same kind human resources like a machine. Young people compete endlessly not knowing why. As a Korean American who spent most of my teen years in Korea, that system broke me. Individuality is completely ignored, and the only way to be acknowledged is getting into a good college. Not surprising to see that this country has the highest suicidal rate, along with decrease in birth rate. Life is brutal there.
The same here in China
돈이 몰리는 곳에 답이있다. 돈이 없어서 애를 낳고싶어도 못낳는 사람이 있는가 하면, 돈이 넘치게 많아도 애를 낳지 않는 사람도 많다. 자본주의 구조 상 한 나라의 자본 90%를 아주 소수의 부자들이 차지할 수 있다. 그러면 그 부자들은 나머지 인구의 출산율을 책임져줄 수 있나? 부자들이 돈을 거머쥔 만큼 아이도 많이 낳아야 해결될 것이다. 예를 들어 삼성가 등 재벌은 최소 10명이상 아이를 낳아야한다던지 등등.... 하지만 법적으로 강제성을 주지 않으면 해결되지 않겠지.
Korean Government: Please have children 🙏
Korean Companies: Do it somewhere else. 😒
There is little difference vetweeen the two in that corporatocracy tho huh
I believe that second line should read NIMBY
Me: "You will let us have children, or you stupid companies will no longer exist. Also, discriminate due to pregnancy in a family, and see how quickly that you go out of business, and are also replaced with far better, as well as far bigger, and far more profitable, companies, for happy workers are productive workers".
@@paxhumana2015 dropped the ball going for profit as an accolade, there; classic owner's mentality.
@@paxhumana2015 and then the superiors in that company starts crying about profits
I'm 31, male and have had one child. It is extremely stressful to balance between being the breadwinner and contributing to raising my son. I feel missing out either way most of the time. I also don't have any intention of having more kids in the future because it would break my heart if I couldn't properly support their lives in the future. Living in Vietnam, I can't expect any help from the govt at all yet the state owned media keep pressuring young people to have more children, amidst steep hikes in housing, living cost and education, while behind are corruption, greed and incompetence like a second nature.
I say let the course of nature and history decide our fate. Things will balance themsleves after the inevitable rockbottom. Live how you feel best for you and strive to be good. Bless you all 🙏
Something that I'm disappointed wasn't touched on is the financial deficit of having children. it's becoming increasingly more expensive to live in the western world as salaries have not increased to match, and children are incredibly expensive to have. Until the cost of living vs average salary goes back to what it was like pre 2008, having children is just straight up bad to do financially.
our ancestors lived $1 a day and had 12 children, stop buying useless shit and looking for houses in expensive places.
@@muradm7748 Our ancestors developed different superstitions to keep populations down because they couldn't afford large families. It is only since the industrial revolution that large families started to be a thing. Why do you think the world population didn't change much between 10,000BCE and 1,500CE.
Your 1 pound a day is now worth at least £12 now, stop blaming the younger generation and learn how inflation works
Also housing prices and advertising dont help the situation
@@muradm7748 Ah yes, let me move into the practically free abandoned house in Hopeville West Virginia and raise a family there, despite the fact that there's no jobs there to support myself with agriculture or whatever not being productive compared to industrial farming and such.
People don't move to expensive places for the fun of it, they move there so that they don't have to spend half their day commuting to and from work, and that they actually can get to heir job, because the last generation spent all their time making it impossible to build anything but single family homes near workplaces, leading to there not being enough housing where the people live
The lack of pay increase but massive spike in spending
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분수에 안맞는 소비 정도로 하자
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I'm pregnant and we're in a 1 bedroom apartment in NYC. We really like this apartment and don't want to pay for a similar one with more space, but we also really wanted kids. I absolutely would not blame fence-sitters in our situation if they think it's too hard to add a baby to it.
I am a Korean student. Currently, Korea does not regard the low birth rate as a major social disaster, even though it is serious. I've been taught about low birth rates since elementary school, but the only thing that changed was the declining birth rate..
yeah, the boomer don't care
kinda make sense, a lot of rich people over there are old, and old people don't care much about *having kid*, than they just demanding other people to have one.
Maybe Korean employers should not be biased against women taking maternity leave and the government should make military service for women mandatory as well.
Same thing with climate change really
Are Koreans working more hours for less? If so then that's one symptom of an aging society
Had this convo with my friend yesterday, what her and I concluded is that its damn near impossible to raise a child effectively and work. And knowing South Korea's work culture, I think our conclusion holds up pretty well.
What I wonder is, why doesn't this hold true for countries that don't see as many working hours on average? It seems to help somewhat but it doesn't seem to fix it unless these countries simply haven't gone far enough?
@@PJ-oe6eu there's a lot of countries that cheat the system, they import people from other countries that tend to have a lot of kids as soon as they get there and see their living standards raise. It's not that simple. France is probably the best example of this, they fixed their baby problem by importing people.
@@PJ-oe6eu That's due to the simple cost of a child. For all the happiness that a child can bring for a family, they are also absolutely giant financial losses. Think of everything you need to pay for your child. Food, diapers, baby sitters if you (and/or your partner) don't have the time to be with your kid 24/7 and can't bring em to work, schooling which gets very expensive very fucking fast, a larger home if you don't already have a house that can support an extra addition to the family which means more rent to pay.
That's only some of the issues and that's without going into the fact that half of these things listed will be twice as expensive by the time your child needs it due to shit getting more expensive but wages not growing to compensate for that growth.
Also this is all assuming that your child is behaves and doesn't get into and trouble as a teenager (Or at any age really) which causes more financial issues, such as stealing, getting expelled from school, damaging property, etc.
Along aside all of this is the general stress of raising a child, the early months (and to some extent years) are extremely rough. Being woken up late at night due to your baby crying, leading to less sleep, your child being a picky eater or needing specific things done to get children to sleep (I for example had to put into the car and then driven around before I fell asleep most of the time according to my parents.) and just the general amount of things that a child that doesn't know that some things are fragile and can break without meaning to, such as vases, anything ceramic, glass wear, etc.
내 생각에는 여자들때문임. 성별갈등 조장하는 문재인 정부에 대한 20대 여성 지지율이 70퍼센트였음. pc주의 유행하니까 본인들이 계몽한 것처럼 군가산점 폐지하고 치안 세계에서 손에 꼽을 정도로 좋은 나라에서 "한국 남성이 잠재적 범죄자라느니 몰카가 어디에 있다느니 선동당해서 헛소리만 하다가 이제와서는 성별갈등 조장하지 말라고 말 바꾸고 이상한 사상 그득해서 더치페이하면 가성비 여친이다, 사랑하면 남자가 다 낸다 이런식으로 가스라이팅하는 글들이 여자들 메이저한 흐름인데 ㅋㅋㅋㅋ 아이들을 풍족하게 키우고 싶다 이런 말 하면서 본인들이 오마카세 파인다이닝 찾아다니고 해외여행 가는 게 말이 됨? 그리고 심지어 한국여자 초혼 연령도 30대 초중반임. 결국 남자들은 20대에 군대 2년 갔다오고 공대에서 공부하는동안 여자들은 군에서 복무하는 남자들 조롱하며 20대에 놀거 다 놀고 그동안 자기계발한 경제적으로 풍족한 남자를 찾는거잖음 ㅋㅋㅋㅋ. 그니까 결국 "너드남"이 유행하는건 그냥 능력 있고 순진한 남자를 잡아서 편하게 살겠다는 마인드에서 비롯한거임. 경제적으로 풍족하지 못해서 아이를 못 낳는다 이건 그냥 돈을 버는대로 다 써놓고 돈을 못 모으겠다고 불평하는 거임. 우리나라의 경제적 수준은 출산율이 하락하기 전이나 후나 비슷한데 남여 갈등 이후로 출산율이 확 낮아짐. 왜? 여자들 대다수가 선동당해서 위의 본문처럼 사니까. 심지어는 페미니스트 교수가 한국의 남성을 벌레에 비유하고 남자아이를 '한국남자유충'이라고 칭하는 반인륜적인 논문이 등재됐는데 20대 여성 대다수가 페미니스트인 한국에서 어떻게 아이를 낳을 생각을 할 수 있겠음? 유교문화를 철폐하고 스스로 진취적인 여성이라고 생각했는데 현실은 가정적이지도 못하고 능력도 없고 얼굴은 몽골 DNA가득해서 남성적인 외모를 어떻게든 성형해서 여자답게 보이는 이도저도 아닌 여자가 바로 한국여자 아님? 옆나라 일본의 "여자력"을 보고 여성인권이 낮다고 비난하고 귀엽고 여성스러운 행동을 보고 "유아퇴행"이라고 비난하는 한국여자는 어떤 모습임? 걸크러쉬? 걸크러쉬를 내세우지만 범죄진압은 못하는 여경? 결혼할 능력이 없는 걸 비혼주의로 포장하고 혼자 늙어가는 모습? 대부분의 남성이 성매매를 한다고 날조해서 비난하지만 기생으로 살던 조선인의 피를 잊지 못하고 미국에서 성매매 여성 국적의 23%를 차지한 한국 여성? 조만간 인구 절벽으로 인해 여성들도 남성들과 함께 판문점에 서서 북괴에 맞서는 날이 오길 기원합니다^^
한국 여자의 논리: 한국은 매일 여자가 죽기 때문에 한국 남자는 잠재적 범죄자이며 여성혐오자다. 난 편하고 안전한 일을 할 것이지만 돈은 고층빌딩의 외벽을 청소하는 남자만큼 줘라. 아이를 낳을 권리는 나에게 있으므로 너희들이 여성들의 요구에 따르지 않는다면 나는 비혼주의를 선언할 것이다. 물론 차은우가 강남의 건물과 명품 가방을 가지고 프로포즈 한다면 없던 일로 하고 결혼을 할 것이다.
Koreans work 40 hours - but only in theory.
Personally the biggest blocker for me as someone with a wonderful partner, both of us working decent jobs and wanting to have a family is the cost of housing and child expenses. I feel that without a large enough house to comfortably accommodate the two children we would like, we need to get into better paying positions for that to happen which means having kids later which limits opportunity. And as said in the video, I want us both to be present in raising our children which means at least one of us would need to either change to working from home or give up on a career. I dont care about my career more than family but we both need to earn to support a family so not sure when would even be a good time. It's troubling to think about.
Just wait a few more years, I'm sure the economy will improve for the middle class, will it?
So basically the reason for no children is due to capatlism you heard it here
Meanwhile poor people shit out 8 kids lol. Just spend less on luxuries
@@princesslemmy😒
Capitalism isn't the issue, in America at least.
Don't worry, it's comparably bad for people who are single and can't afford any housing better than renting a room with random people because of the single income. It seems that the only sustainable life is bound to have one partner with no child, no more and no less.
Real question should be "why humans have not vanished YET"
😂😂😂
I'm 28 and I can barely take care of myself. How tf am I supposed to take care of a child? I don't even have the time to meet someone.
Also Women: Are you 6 foot or taller? Make +500k per year?
@@sages101Those women don't exist too often.
Same.
im 23 and working 12 hours for 5 days a week. I dont have time to do anything except take shower, grab a fast food. by the time I rest on weekend Im too burned out to fully clean my home, just tidy it little bit here and there. Having a child is far cry, I dont even think i can have a child at my 40's. Maybe I'll die sad and lonely, all alone. Future is not looking great...
@@sages101don't forget to ask about the blue eyes, THE BLUE EYES! 😂
Living in Sweden, we have some support when kids are sick or when you need to take parental leave, BUT workplaces take notice of those that have sick kids for longer periods and often and they COMPLAIN and even let that guide their decisions when it comes to who is let go and who is hired. There are so many times I have listened to colleagues and BOSSES complaining to me about other, really good and sweet coworkers about their sick kids and how inefficient it is. I was baffled by this as it is a right by law to have this support AND workplaces are not allowed to let this dictate their decisions, but of course, where there is money involved, it all goes out the window. We are all just “economic growth” for any government.
Sweden sounds depressingly a lot like my country, the United States, in this regard...( I'm also a bit surprised!)
But you also have to look at it from the perspective of the founder of a company. If you pay somebody good money to work for you 40h a week, end they end up doing 20 for whatever reason and get the same pay, you'd be upset, too. I'm not saying one should cut child care or anything, but we can also not just accept people not coming to work. There must be a sweet-spot in-between.
@@argfasdfgadfgasdfgsdfgsdfg6351Thats why people wont have any children in the future and ALL humans will be replaced by robots.
this in Sweden??? i thought social safety nets where robust there, has rampant capitalism taken over the entire world?
@@argfasdfgadfgasdfgsdfgsdfg6351there is none. Sick children need care at home. That or no children.
No Stable Job?
No Affordable Housing?
No Financial assistance?!
then no Child!
What are you, 12?
No someone with actual common sense@@dallassegno
@@dallassegnoWhat are you ? Dumb ?
Don't answer, rethorical question.
@@dallassegno are you 12?
@@dallassegno blud onto nothing
This is what we get for organizing society around work than around families.
societies that organizes around family over work will no longer be societies
I'm 24 and paying 75% of my income just on rent. I've never worked so hard and made so much to only be worse off the following month/year. Even in a trade job, it's been impossible to save for a car, let alone an emergency.
Exactly. Look up Weimar Germany the exact living conditions which led up to WW2. We are living in the Great Depression again.
lol and look down the street at all the brand new cars driven by 40-50 year olds as a "luxury buy" that equates to your entire savings over 40 years
I reckon you live in the USA then..
@@tactknightgaming2066 Bunch of stupid Nazis blamed Communists, Socialists, Jews, homosexuals... everyone BUT themselves.
Sounds like poor decision making.
South Korea was initially projected to have a fertility rate of 0.6 in 2035, but achieved it 10 years ahead of schedule, a feat that is unprecedented in the world.
Yeah and I feel like the predictions are very optimistic, many countries will probably fall below 2.0 faster then expected.
We just don’t wanna pop out babies it’s soo Ugh
hell yeah we be setting records in something
they really need to improve their work and social problems. many south koreans are leaving and we have a big community of south koreans here in argentina.
most of them have kids here. on average they have 2-3. for what they told me is that they were so stressed out in korea and in argentina they have alot more of free time and they love our food too.
specially red meat and fruits that are too expensive in south korea but here in argentina is super cheap for them.
they have waaaay more free time to relax and enjoy themself here.
interesting, @@FZJanimated
To pass on what I've heard from many young people: if you would like them to consider children, pay them a fair and living wage, with actual job stability, allow for family leave from work, and provide accessible and non-budget-busting healthcare. That's it. That's the floor of solidity upon which to build a family (another floor is full community support, but that's not all too common anymore). The erosion of wages and job security (especially starting in the 80s), coupled with healthcare issues and existential threats, has made having children so fraught that many are, logically, opting out. Tut tutting them while you pilfer their paycheques won't make it better.
“That’s it” hahaha making that happen is pretty much impossible.
@@SebastianLopez-nh1rrit’s possible but definitely improbable. The ultra rich will favor profits over people so our living conditions will likely not change.
@@SebastianLopez-nh1rrget used to lower birthrate then
Even though it is this simple, this is a solution for future generations. If this is indeed the prescription it would take to solve it, then it is logistically unfeasible to put it in place for the current generation, necessarily making current generation adults out of luck.
And free time!
“Why are humans vanishing” made me think I missed the rapture 😭
No, it’s just started, you made it just in time!
Huge depop agenda is under way.
In Australia, 1 day of childcare costs ~70% of the amount my partner earns in a day so it's literally a choice between either career or having kids but not both.
I rather eat and have somewhere to sleep. So, if we collapse, would be a great hit to the gob.
Most people chose the lifestyle. Money is the most important thing in Western cultures. The official religions are "workism" and "wokeism."
How do we explain that developing third world countries birth rates are skyrocketing? Its an universal trend that birth rates plummet the better off a country is economically. We could blame capitalism but this system has given us all the luxuries and freedoms that we have. Id argue that its not an issue of time or money. We have all the time and money in the world compared to some people living in absolute poverty.
Holy shit i live in this country
I'm in Australia, my wife works retail, and after government rebate or childcare costs about $40 for the day, so only about 25%.
Are you sending your kids to some super fancy ELC or does your partner earn less than minimum wage?
I used to have a friend that said, “I don’t even want to take care of myself, let alone a family.” And the more time goes on, the more I’m starting to agree.
@burnjapanandrisingsunflagA man in Korea has to spend more than a year and a half without pay in the military. But in Korean society, the treatment of soldiers is treated like street dogs. And when you get married, a man has to buy a house, which costs more than $400,000. $400,000 at 30 and serving in the military service? Is this practically possible? But if you don't do this, you're a failure in society
@burnjapanandrisingsunflagIn fact, the crime rate in Korea is the lowest in the world. This person doesn't tell the truth.
@burnjapanandrisingsunflagHonestly it sounds terrible for both genders, it's ridiculous they make men waste 2 years in the most important moment of their lives to the military.
Oh you don't want to do it? social rejection, continually being humiliated and basically no job is waiting for you
So laziness
@@Arcadianx98sure, genius.
Personally, as a man living in Canada, I’d love to have kids, I’ve always wanted kids, but it’s just not possible. I can barely find a place to live for myself, I get by sleeping on different friends’ couches, often at their parent’s home, and a mix of short term rentals. There’s just nowhere to live, and owning a home is a fairytale.
I can’t raise kids and have a family when I don’t even have a roof to stably live under. It’s difficult to even start a relationship when you don’t know where you’re sleeping. And I’m lucky enough to have a great and flexible job that pays excellent wages, is very stable, and I thoroughly enjoy. I know tons of people bouncing around working minimum wage who don’t have any direction or plan. All because the life we grew up hearing about, going to school and then getting a job and then buying a house and starting a family, is becoming downright impossible.
just be honest, you don't have a gf
As?*
@@bizmasterTheSlavaaaand why should that invalidate their problems? Just because they're not contributing to the birth rate doesn't mean others aren't either
Capitalism has caused this cost of living / housing crisis by making homes speculative and wages unlivable. And yet, it’s the people who love unadulterated capitalism who are all so confused why people aren’t having kids. SMH.
@@foxtail286 go breed
1:00 RIP that family with 1.5 kid 💀
I dont get it. Lol 😂
🤣
How do you have 1 kid and then another 0.5 of a kid lmao
Either a fat kid or an average kid and a dwarf kid
I'm Italian, 29 years old. My girlfriend and I are talking about having kids in the near future. I'm really lucky she's ambitious and likes to study, because with two incomes like mine (not too low but definetely not too high either, Italian average) it's literally impossibile to raise one kid, let alone multiple. And here they wonder why young people do not want to have children. We are a failing society that keeps failing and failing facing the same problems all over again.
You mean gay
@@dallassegno which part of his comment meant gay?
@@dallassegnostupid troll 👎
@@DeletedDevilDeletedAngel yeah I dunno, that comment has me at a loss too, dude lol
@@MeGustaWHAT same here, is being italian gay? Having girlfriends gay? Too many bits and pieces xd
If you allow me to share my perspective: in the reality I live in, the main issue that stops people from having more kids is... Money. Jobs are paying less, everything is getting more expensive by the hour, and it's become an enormous challenge to be able to work hard enough to live by and sustain your family, while also enjoying it (even with both working). Previous generations were able to afford big houses with a low income, not to mention buying food, paying school bills, everything was cheaper. Nowadays you have to be very well off to be able to have a decent sized apartment not too far from crucial facilities such as schools, hospitals, markets... so in the end, most couples end up having less than 2 kids because the housing is small, and they'll be wasting a huge part of the income just to pay for that, so not much is left to pay for education, helathcare and food (not even mentioning transportation, electricity, internet and electronic devices, which can be considered essential in today's society and are definetely not cheap, at least not here in Brazil).
Also kids are gross.
The people making decisions are at odds with what they say they want. The people want to protect children but they oppose healthcare for children, food programs, financial assistance, childcare, etc. The people want more workers but they oppose immigration. The people want the world to be like it was back in the 50's but they don't want to roll out the social programs, strong labor unions, etc. of that era.
These problems are all eminently solvable but that assumes the people in charge actually care to solve them. Which they clearly don't, because solved problems don't get you reelected. Making the problem worse gets you reelected. That's how the GOP has been getting elected because "big government doesn't work" for decades by making the government fail to work without reducing its scale.
This is the correct perspective...it's well past time for fogies to understand that they're entirely responsible for this problem, they've created a modern setting where families can no longer have a single working parent sustainably and are too stubborn/stupid to realize that paving the way to tomorrow will require subsidizing children. 90% of the jackasses will say something akin to "I did it that way, it's just how it works", but fail to recognize how different things are today to how they were when they grew up...they essentially got handed the keys to the world whilst the pay gap is worse now than it has ever been.
Capitalism exploiting its people
@@Demmrir Exactly this! Well said.
I'm korean and I left Korea when I was 14 to immigrate to Australia. I have to admit that life in Korea is not easy. You experience a lot of competitions from a young age and I think I genuinely struggled to stay in the race when I was at school. If you think about it, Korea is a tiny country with almost no natural resources. So you need to survive by developing exceptional intellectual skills hence why competition is so fierece. My friends who have had kids recently actually said that lower birth rate is not entirely a negative thing, because now that there are less kids, people cherish them more - instead of pushing the kids to compete to win, people want the remaining kids in the country to be happy. So I believe this has happened for a reason. Birth rate is important, but I also hope kids in Korea right now will live happily, so that when they become adults, they'll want to have kids to pass on their good memories
LIVE IN KOREA IS NOT EASY? IS IT EASY LIVE IN AFRICA WHERE THEY ARE HAVING X10000 TIMES MORE CHILDREN, WAS LIFE EASY IN THE 1950 IN KOREA WHEN KOREANS WERE HAVING X 6 TIMES MORE CHILDREN? YOU KNOW NOTHING.
Cool. I am a korean living in Canada rn and its very different
I agree! My Korean friend moved to America because of the tough situations he faced back in his country. Many has moved as well and I can’t blame them. Yes America has issues but he rather live here than back in Korea especially when he had to work and go to school there for long periods of time causing him to have a short term depression
@@lifeis7 man, that's really disheartening... well y'know what? Better be fools than heartless. I hope whoever decides to have kids and raise them with joy in their lives over there is doing well.
It really makes sense.
Some geniuses decided to make a system where humans in their most reproductive years go through the most stress in terms of education, finding a career that actually pays off, and independent living oh and we ditched the courtship/social system that worked in the past for modern dating which sucks
As a Bulgarian, I find the phrase used on 3:18 "Да ти върви по вода!" which is translated literally as "Hopefully it will flow as the water" spot on! Many Bulgarians use it often to say goodbye to their relatives.
I was so surprised to see that, I wasn't expecting to find a bulgarian saying in this kind of video.
thanks for the fact!
Same here in Turkey, we say "yolun su gibi açık olsun"(may your way be open like flowing water) then spill water after someone who leaves.
I was hoping someone would translate that! I know fragments of Ukrainian, Russian, and Polish, but not enough to be functional in any of them yet...
@@WackoMcGoose A more literal translation is "I hope it goes smoothly"
Well Bulgaria has been the fastest-shrinking nation for a while, so makes sense this is the video it debuts in :P
As a 25 year old Woman in the UK the idea of me being able to have and support children seem a like a miracle, not because I am physically unable to, but the amount of extra hours me and my partner need to put in at work to make ends meet I cannot imagine giving that up, halving an income that’s already not enough and having a child in a life that would cost so much more than when I was a baby. Life has got way too expensive, costs are spiralling out of control. At my age my mother was able to give up work to support me and my sister, live on one income and didn’t struggle because wages were relatively much higher back than. I would love to have children one day, but financially I don’t see how it could be possible.
Your mother probably didn't have the same life-style as you do. People today have incredibly high life-requirements that are unsustainable. The market drove this consumerism so high and it's really a cancer for society
You are not alone. Hugs
I'm right there with you, I'm a 35 year old man from the UK and I cannot even fathom being able to afford a child. I can't even afford my rent from month to month when I work something like 50-60 hours a week and literally don't drink, my only expenses are bills, rent and food. Yet I often can't afford my rent at the end of the month and if I have my heating on at all this year I won't be able to afford food. So how on earth am I meant to have a child living like that?
Not to mention one of my personal reasons for not wanting children is what kind of world are we leaving them? Personally I don't think it's right to bring a child in to the world when we should all be very aware by now that there will be no air left to breathe in 80-100 years. Why would I want to make anyone much less my own children go through that?
Yes, this. The boomers and the rich have got so greedy that they dont leave room for anyone else
you or your partner need to get a better job with higher salary, its as easy as that, also having a baby is not a million dollar expense, trust me, most people blow it out of proportion.
Yeah, the financial burden of having children is a real gatekeeper as well. My wife and I have one child and are just barely scraping by. We really like the idea of having a second child, but there is no way we could afford it. We are both college graduates and make a solid income, but it feels like money doesn't go nearly as far as it used to. Unless we choose to adopt later in life, we'll likely stay a single child family.
Yup this. I'm single and childless and I'm barely scraping by with what I make as a translator. Having a kid for me is unthinkable because I'd never be able to afford to raise one, and I sure as hell don't want my hypothetical son/daughter to have a worse life than I've had. And so I don't have kids and as long as my financial situation stays like that it simply won't change.
I feel like this is an extremely underrepresented opinion. It simply is never the right time to have a child, because having a child early puts your education at risk, later on it will affect your promotions and chances of building wealth, and eventually it is too late. The high costs of living and the stagnant wages make having a child too high of a risk, especially when relationships seem a lot less stable than in the past as well (Becoming a single parent often ends up with so much effort and stress that the person ends up on unemployment).
Are you in the States or in Korea?
@xyz11zxc11 USA. It might not be the same sentiment elsewhere in the world, but it's my experience in the USA.
adoption is for cucks, it's only humanitarian cuck if you're _rich_
Dont be a cuck, have your own kids. tf
Why are humans vanishing? Must be Thanos again
Korea is basically the textbook example of what happens when living an ordinary, simple life is regarded as failure. I’m Korean but glad my parents didn’t put me through all that.
Vars?? What are you doing here
When a top 10 or atleast 20 percent out of population is considered 'normal'
And if you're not 'normal' you deserved to be mistreated and looked downed constantly
No wonder people stopped making kids and been killing themselves more than anywhere
If you can, emigrate to Latin America, we have good food, housing and good life quality... (if you dont get killed by robbers), but its mostly calmer here.
My parents didnt pressure me like that as well (like telling me to be better and work harder) but I still ended up being a depressed loser because societal expectations and pressures exist outside of parenting style. Im heavily affected by that more than I'd like to be.
@@bapbirb They raised me to be prepared for societal expectations and pressures, rather than pushing those very expectations and pressures on me. They taught me discipline and good work ethic so that when I encountered those pressures and expectations I would be ready for them. It's not that they let me relax and stuff.
As a Korean, no idea how we're supposed to solve this. I've spent my whole life studying the most mundane & useless shit for a college entry exam, and now I'm forced to do that again in college. Everything is exhausting cus no day offs, no holidays- I gotta work to pay rent/tuition when I'm not in school. And I'm probably not going to land a job after graduating either! (A mystery, since apparently population is shrinking) Feel like everyone around me is doing the same too. And the guys serve mandatory military service too while doing all this shit??? Literally no idea how they do it. Everyday I realize there are thousands of Koreans in worse situations than me, and none of us are stable to think about kids. Complete joke of a country, just leave us alone and we'll gladly make an example to what happens if a country fails to repopulate. Hope yall governments learn from us and start lowering housing rates!!
I feel you bro
Its easy, just give up your own tradition and lower your own rents would fix the issue.
But you guys won't, because "nationalism".
@burnjapanandrisingsunflagIk that but it’s not the main reason why we’re in this state, let’s be honest. Also could you tone down the copypasta a bit
You can solve it by destroying the corrupt government that has pinned your people beneath it's boot
@@chiaohongcheng How would us, the young working generation and basically the punching bag of Korea’s society be able to lead any major changes? Think of Canadian housing for a bit if you don’t get it.
As someone who has worked in Korea as a teacher, one thing I’ve come to see is that the education system is a big underlying issue. Parents are competitive as hell for their child to succeed and private education is very very expensive. This is leading to some people only having 1 child and focusing their efforts on making sure they succeed. Because of this, the parents are all fixated on their status and how well their child is doing at school, some paying for cosmetic surgery for their kids, it’s crazy.
The work to life balance is also pretty bad. Some kids told me they didn’t even see their parents in the week at all because they stayed so late at work (and they were also in private academies until 10pm).
The saddest part is that it doesn't work. You inherit so much from your parents intrinsically (habits, work-ethics etc) such that the all of the Korean people I've seen ace the exams and/or get to prestigious universities never really participate in those fierce competition.
FYI, old money of Korea don't send their kids to Daechi private tuition.
On surface, it looks like the parents want their kids to succeed, and giving them all the condition to succeed, but really, it is greed. They failed to achieve the success so they put it on their children to study hard. Needless to say it doesn't work. It's just sad really.
Leading by example is the best way to lead. Coercion never worked.
The notion of you have to send your children to expensive private education is a stupidity that has been perpetuated over decades is like Keeping with the Jone's but by sending children to stupid often unecessary private hagwons.
that's right
@@londonkkondaeSo basically it's just generational trauma and greed creating this neverending toxic generational relationships. Though South Korean Gen Z (people who are born 1998-2010 [debatable where Gen Z ended and Gen Alpha started but let's pretend it's 2010]) I believe most of them have child free mindsets. It's going to always be like this when Boomer, Gen X, and Millennials that govern today still refuse make the country better place (non toxic education culture, job opportunities, affordable but good housings, etc) for younger generations like Gen Z and Gen Alpha. Difficult environments make people doing whatever it takes to survive, and young generations do it by planning to not having children. As Gen Z myself, I can 100% sympathize with them.
@@way9883 toxic people generally find a way to implode on themselves. So I believe by not giving them the attention they're craving, they'll just do that on their own.
Yes, on societal level, unfairness, injustice will always exist. That's the very definition of a system - it has a function, and there are always winners and losers.
If you ask me though, from where I am, the situation in Korea is actually not any worse than what it's like in other countries. All of the difficulties (like insane house prices, stagnating wages) are happening globally in all major cities, and at least Korea has jeonsae - where you don't pay £2500/m on rent each month, and save money you won't just blow away.
We can complain that people won't change things for us, or we can change things the way we see fit. And FYI - when it comes to men at least, the bottom 10% (in terms of income) gets married only 20% of the times, and the top 10% gets married 90% of the time.
Government: let’s make everything so expensive with such a high profit margin for ourselves and our corporations that people can just barely afford to live.
Also government: why no babie?!?
This video mentions individualism as one possible cause, but with Japan at least, the opposite seems to have more effect: Their collectivist views basically go towards constant self-sacrifice in the name of society, at the expense of not being able to give enough focus to build up yourself and your family. Like, that stupid custom of having to go drinking with your boss, or the one of not being able to leave early because the first one to go is a bad worker. I'm sure a lot of people would rather use that time to date, or spend it around your partner, or with your kids.
@@crazypasta7749 Are you mentally challenged?
There are definitely people who will have less children or none at all due to individualism, as with all things, extremism is negative. This can be said for so many things but the balance has to be found.
@@slicedonion8313 I agree. Personally I believe in the needs of the many, the common good, but I think is very important to keep in mind that "society" is not a real, physical thing, society is the individuals within it, and benefiting society is supposed to be beneficial for the individuals within it. Sacrificing too much the individual in favor of the society is a self-defeating endeavor.
but everywhere else in the world seems to prove the opposite
there are but not the majority@@slicedonion8313
As a younger person I’m terrified of what the generation after us will have to deal with. I’m worried if I put kids into this world what will happen to them.
It's like that saying: A society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they shall never sit in. Maybe we can do that.
depends on how young you are, but if you’re still part of Gen Z, you’ll most likely also be just as effected by what is happening.
@scsutton1 except now that burden falls on the few who have 0 consequences for not doing so
Tbh I’d say control what they see, hear, and learn. Schools right now speaking absolute bullshit
Why would you assume the next generation would be like the people who didn't reproduce? They are the offspring of those who reproduce despite this trend. There's no reason to believe the trend will continue for long, it's a self-ending phenomenon.
I think it's also important to note that people want to have kids, but housing and healthcare costs are so unbearable that it's literally impractical for them to have more than one. This rings true for most of Europe, as well as places like Hong Kong and Korea.
And time, work takes so much of our time without giving back as much
정확합니다. 서울의 평균적인 아파트는 일반 직장인이 30~40년간 한 푼도 안 쓰고 모아야 살 수 있습니다.
결혼과 출산, 육아에 필요한 '집'을 위해 결혼과 출산, 육아를 포기하게 되는 아이러니함이 존재합니다.
Exactly. The average apartment in Seoul can only be bought by ordinary office workers for 30 to 40 years.
There is an irony of giving up marriage, childbirth, and parenting for the "home" needed for marriage, childbirth, and childcare.
In addition, the company forces workers to work overtime, which reduces the amount of time they can spend with the family, thus weakening family bonds.
Korea has no choice but to comply because workers exist in a very disadvantageous social position.
Yepp, even here in Sweden the housing costs are quite steep for young people to get a nice place to live. I was fortunate enough to be able to live with my parents until the age of 26 while saving every type of income I could and invest some of it. I limited the amounts I would spend and pretty much never went out to party because I felt forced (by the housing costs) to get into the housing market asap. It took me 8 years of constant saving to buy a 2 room apartment (46 sqm) with a 30% down payment and I'd consider myself lucky.
Canada
healthcare is not the problem housing is.
It's been around 5 years since I last finished a video from this channel. Worth it this time.
As a Korean student, it is very hard to live in Korea. Of course, it is great for economic growth, culture, and K-pop, but it is hard for people to live in. The American college entrance exam has many opportunities, and I heard that individuals' tendencies and activities are more important than their grades. This is not the case in Korea. Only 4% of students get the best grades and go to good colleges. This competition is very difficult. They do not respect individual tendencies and competencies..
Teen suicide rates are very high
(I used a translator. It could be wrong)
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I'm not saying that it's easy to go to college in the U.S. But in Korea, you can't get a job unless you graduate from college. Only the top 4% of students go to good colleges, and the remaining 96% of students are having a hard time.. we have to study 12years for CSAT. The Korean education system doesn't give students time to think about what they want to do in life. It's only competition for grades
There are reports of students attempting suicide during the CSAT exams due to overwhelming pressure, or tragically taking their own lives after completing the tests. It happens almost every year..
Nope, people in America are suffering the same. There's nothing special about America in that regard.
@@Flash_345 Yeah, no. Studying in the US is easy asf. I went to live there after not being able to pass my university in Brazil, and in the US, i passed with flying colors. Literally straight A's... The thing is with the US, they help you alot. They give you chances and time, in Brazil you only have 2 or 1 chances to do what you gotta do, and if you don't do well... you go back to square 1 🤷🏾♀️
@@aenning I wouldnt say easy af. They have a pretty rotten system as well. However, compared to Korea, its like a dream. The same way as Americans see education or public health from (For example, my homeland, Argentina) South America or European countries a dream.
We all envy from others what we dont have but dont see what we do have. We envy Korea for many reasons (and rightfully so) and they envy us for many other reasons (and, rightfully so), no one has it better or worse than others, at least not on the large scale. We all have things that in the eyes of an outsider make our countries paradise, and we all have systems that are rotten AF..
@@aenning lol that's not what I meant but aight whatever you say
Don't be afraid, not only Korea getting depressed but whole world's Gen Z experiencing depression
A famous Korean novelist said this. "In Korea, childbirth is a middle class culture." And it is very difficult for Korea to become a middle class in the true sense. Salaries do not increase surprisingly compared to deformedly expensive housing costs and increasingly expensive prices. Above all, the gap between Korea's small and medium-sized enterprises and large corporations is too wide. The majority of Koreans attending small and medium-sized enterprises are not subject to the standard labor welfare proposed by the state. The few elites who work for large corporations also carry out murderous schedules because they are elite. Koreans self-help as they watch the lights of corporate buildings that are still on late at night when people need to sleep. "Look at that, it's like a lighthouse." Since living alone is so fierce, Koreans are too burdened with raising children. More couples do not have children even if they get married, and many young people avoid marriage or dating because of the "high cost." Korea has the highest suicide rate among OECD countries. Now, Korea is becoming the first 'suicidal country' in the history of the world. It's sad, but it's too late. (The sentence can be awkward because it's using a translator.)
I mean children are cute and funny,I don’t think they don’t want children.
I think they are not earning more and the daily needs have gotten expensive.
Koreans should be more aggressive in cracking down corruption. Sadly there’s no time to save your brothers And sisters on N.Korea.
Yes, that is exactly the point of the matter.
The video says that the welfare system for women is the solution, but this is a wrong answer without knowing the situation in Korea.
Korea has long had many welfare programs favored by women due to the high number of female patients with depression. Nevertheless, the low birth rate situation has become serious. The cause is the misuse of statistics.
In fact, on the contrary, the low birth rate has accelerated due to institutional alienation of men. When looking at the number of Korean youth suicides, men are overwhelmingly higher than women. And by Korean culture, men do not want to be treated for depression. Rather, they try to hide it from their surrounding eyes and tend to refuse medical treatment at all.
In addition, men are obligated to take responsibility for their families by Korean culture, and salaries that do not rise compared to living prices make them give up preparing for their families. It is good that women's education and social status are rising. However, in Korea, the social status of men has been lowered, resulting in the status of women.
In Korea, women are better rewarded than men because they are only women, regardless of whether they are stupid or smart. Men who have worked more have to yield to women the compensation they deserve from the company. This is the beginning of the problem. If a woman is smart, it's not a problem, it's better. but The problem is the benefits they take away from men just because they are women. Smart Korean female CEO are also troubled by the fact that their companies don't work because of women who were promoted just because they were women.
In summary,
In order for a woman to become a mother. and she must meet and marry a man, and at least in Korea, the man must receive enough money from a company to prepare to meet and marry a woman. But, The moment the women take away men's money, men give up and eventually fewer men get married. Women will get some money but don't have children. As a result, a society where women take all the pies that men must ate will create a low birth rate. This is the process of the community collapse apart.
Can a woman with a high social status think of marrying a man who has not prepared? In the case of Korea, even women with low social status are avoiding men who have not prepared. This is because, as a woman, she does not think of raising children after marriage in a bad environment.
In conclusion, the reinforcement of gender equality policies for women in the video is a wrong solution.
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Nah just because korean feminism
@@user-w9nixo4d8zI agree
As a Korean, I fully agree with the future prospect of the low birth rate. Everyone here in Korea seems to be aware of the problem but no one is coming up with solutions. People are so absorbed in getting their life together in this extremely competitive environment that they simply cannot think of having a family let alone taking care of their own family. The government is merely busy with advertising their "magic bullet" policies to solve the issue with astronomical amount of taxes that we pay. My own hot take, I don't think Korea will survive long in this mess
Hyper-capitalism dragged South Korea out of poverty, but at the same time has ruined the amount of free time available for workers, created a toxic hyper-competitive culture, and created a massive amount of stress/anxiety/burnout for both students and workers. It’s no wonder that the fertility rate is so low, because the very structure of the society is literally toxic and poisonous towards those who want to make families
Why don't you Koreans start long distance relationships and then make plans to move to another country, then years later move again to South Korea with a family and money, open a business and keep growing your country's economy?
I know it's not that simple, but you know the meaning of the word "alternative"? It means you WILL sacrifice many things for surviving. I'm from El Salvador, and many of my compatriots had to flee to USA in 1980 because of our civil war, it changed the structure of our country, and nowadays many compatriots are sending remittances to help the people in mainland.
@@anak_kucing101 not that simple bro 💀💀😭😭
@@BundpatakaNah bro it’ll be expensive but the government just has to print more money and then they can afford it 🤯
Could you ever see Korea doing a 30 hour work week while maintaining average wages?
I love this line "no one owes their country a child", very well said, love from China!
You might reverse it and start wondering: does your country really owe you a pension?
The housing market explains 75% of this trend. My father as a high school graduate, was able to afford a good house with 30 month of his wage. Today as a PhD I cannot buy same house for 600 months of my current wage. Same goes for rents...
Yup. If people can't afford to live, then they won't want to bring a family into the world until they feel stable.
If people want 2.5 children, they would be having them. So why aren't they? Because they can't afford them.
Housing being the most expensive reason, then the loss of income for a parent to stay home.
Improve working conditions for people, reduce the working week/hours and fix the housing problem. Stop importing more people to prop up a broken system.
Yeah housing has gotten stupidly expensive.
This is exactly my main reason
Very true, actually
well there are more humans around compared to when your dad was a whipper snapper, and they all want a house, also now houses are affordable only to families and couples
Answer: corporate greed and corrupt politicians making life harder for everyone for more profit.
People don't have the energy, time or finances to date anymore...let alone start a family. Year after year people are working more for lest pay as politicians try to convince us inflation is on the rise because "productivity isn't high enough" .
Meanwhile, these same politicians are the reason things are so bad in the first place.
@@ninjanate5018 It's funny that there was a recent article saying a lot of these politicians and CEOs are retiring and leaving for 3rd world countries because of 'Social decay' in their home western country.....
THIS
Hence the sudden rise of dating apps and all the bs that came with it😅
Then they complain about the massive population and welcome immigrants randomly to vote then so does dumb s*t to fund wars to kill off more civilians and drag them to unholy things they do to support trafficking. It would be better if they fund building advance vehicles a project to build colonies to different planet like earth.
The fact that both my wife and I need to work full time to barely afford housing and care for 1 child is probably a big part of why people in "developed" countries have smaller families
If stay-at-home parent was a job that paid decently as opposed to costing a lot, or if housing wasnt so expensive, or hell, if it was still possible for a single income to support a whole family, we wouldnt be in this mess
Ask yourself, who exactly is getting most of the wealth in these "wealthy" countries. Its not the average person wanting to have a family.
Take a look at the World Economic Forum and know that everything is going "as planned".
Boomers scorched the Earth at all fronts, they f*cked the environment on a planetary level, they modernized the exploitation system, they rigged the economy and pension systems, they retire and still vote for the populist idiots that will pander to them.
Korea is not "developed" country.
The management company at my apartment pushes the belief that it's normal for rents to increase 5-10% a year (or more). This makes me think that the housing market is the basic cause of inflation.
The extreme case is South Korea, as the lowest birthrate shows.
lol they really changed the title from why south korea is vanishing to why humans are vanishing
It is quite simple why this phenomenon has happened worldwide, especially in developed countries. In our grandparents' era, due to the industrial structure, they needed more human resources that didn't need to be highly educated or skilled. Quality didn't matter at that time. But in our era, low-skilled but labor-intensive jobs were quickly replaced by machines, and now it has become extremely competitive to secure employment. Parents must invest more time and resources in educating their children than before. This leads to a significant opportunity cost per child that is challenging for a household to afford. Additionally, due to the drawbacks of capitalism, our purchasing power is lower than that of our parents. We are the first generation where both parents need to work full-time and nurture their children simultaneously.
shhh you can’t point out reality on my favourite channel about how ethical capitalism will save us all
Exactly. Anyone who enjoys automation machines and technology including AI _should_ know that ultimately what it means is we will need less, much less people.
Lol, no.
It's the correlation of intelligence + societal decadence and low birth rates. People say wealth inequality, housing, economy. That's all BS. That is their intelligence, rationalizing why they can't, justifying why they won't, or their self-centeredness in living for 'experiences' in a world with distractions that inculcate people into a dopamine feedback loop. They have that luxury in decadent society devoid of culture or religion , but of consumption and consumerism.
But poor people have kids, people who suffer have kids, people with nothing have kids. Nearly half of the population in Palestine are kids. Many people in unsafe, jobless neighborhoods, relying only on welfare, people living extreme rural areas or religious/cultured people, immigrants with nothing but their clothes on their backs, they have kids.
Sweden has free healthcare and ample housing, but they don't have kids. In fact, you could give everyone everything, and I bet you they would still fall under the replenishment rate.
Yet, the dockworker making pennies off the dollar straight from Italy, with no wealthfare, getting ripped off by the mob in early 20th century America will still have several kids.
People refuse to have kids because they can't ever imagine raising kids in a world post 'climate change', yet people during the bubonic plagues, mass poverty/genocides, 100 years wars can? 😂 please spare me the BS.
Drawbacks of capitalism is a bit of a reach... Were definitely having some issues due to things being mis-managed as of late, but look at the state of our socialist counterparts!
There is definitely a lot we need to fix with our current system. But in my opinion these are issues we are yet to solve, not issues caused by capitalism. Besides housing cost which is a serious issue but once again isn't really an issue inherent to capitalism, were just at a tipping point for our particular system
@@THE_MOONMANwhy as soon as somebody mentions that modern capitalism is unsustainable, people need to go to the other side of the spectrum, nobody is rooting for full fledged communism with gulags and shit. However, the issues we are facing today are absolutely caused by unbridled capitalism.
I went to university for psychology, am working 75% in that field, and can just about afford to live in a 25 m² appartment as long as I don't get a car. If I decide to have a child, my living situation will become deeply uncertain, and I don't know if I could provide for one for that long. I know plenty of other people who live in similar situations where just affording to live on their own is already tough. While Kurzgesagt talks about how great life has become, I am wondering what they are talking about. We can barely even afford to have kids anymore now. Back then one parent could afford to support a family of 6, along with a house of their own and two cars. Of course no one is having kids anymore if you make everyone effectively too poor to support one.
Did you watch the conclusion?
Which country? I'm German, a student with a 20 hour part time job and have a pretty comfy 45 m² flat for myself and pay all my own expenses.
My girlfriend and I have deeply discussed the same problems. Initially we both agreed to wanting three kids, but especially over the course of the last year, watching economies turn to complete turmoil, cost of living becoming more and more out of reach every day, and child care being so incredibly expensive... we're no longer sure if we want kids. Not even accounting for wanting to actually enjoy our lives, take vacations, explore different countries... there's so much going against even trying. In between thinking if its even worth having kids.
“While Kurzgesagt talks about how great life has become” people like you is why we have so many problems in this world, is everything about you you and only you and your problems. And how your parents had it better than you according to you. Life has improved for people world wide in the last 50 years exponentially, you’re not the norm, you’re just an unfortunate person having a bad time.
@@kotzpennerGermany has a healthy dose of public housing which places pressure on the private market for healthy competition. This is the difference between capitalism (capital) and socialism (public ownership). Outside of the EU, the housing market is a major problem.
Actually while I was visitng sweden and denmark over the summer I noticed how many children there were, and how different it felt, turns out during covid they actually experienced a small baby boom due to their policies towards child care and benefits for new parents. Ofc its not perfect but I think it is one of the few instances where a birthrate has increased a lot in a country that had falling birthrates in the recent decade!
Shocker, if parents aren't doomed to a life of poverty just to grow up a single child, they are more likely to have children. I swear the policy makers are the stupidest mfers out there, still not solving this issue.
@@suspecm6316 yet the richest countries are the ones with lowest birth rates. In Sweden and Denmark, the birth rate is 1.6~1.7, below replacement
@@suspecm6316 (you vote for those policymakers, js)
@@Gb-be9bnyeah cause both parents have to work to make ends meet and not end up in poverty. The reason that in Africa birth rates are still high is that many people there live in such poverty that they need their children to take care of them when they're old, so more kids means more helping hands.
Almost everywhere birth rates are low, even not incredibly wealthy places. Only in Africa and the Middle East is that not yet the case
@@Gb-be9bn because the "richest countries" are the ones where both parents have to worj a 9-5 to be able to afford a living. There is no time to be with the baby, no time to be with the kid, and the kid has to spen half their childhood in daycare. Lose lose for everyone.
The absolute panic that the US population might shrink to 250 million is amusing. That is where we were in the late 1970s. And it was a fairly awesome time to live. I was a child and I could run around all day with my friends and as long as we came home when the streetlights came on it was fine with the parents. We had so much freedom. Schools were very good. Less crime. Just easier living. I think we have too many people for our institutions to handle.
Literally the case in many countries is the lack of affordability. Here in the US housing is expensive. Many young people are still living with their parents or are opting to renting an apartment. Healthcare is a joke. One visit to the hospital/ER can financially bankrupt you. Many women/mothers don't receive substantial benefits such as lengthy maternity leaves. Access to daycare services is expensive. Food is getting more expensive. Higher education is expensive. The idea of having a single child right now sounds like a nightmare.
That is fundamentally wrong. It is the perception of affordability and the choice by individuals, more specifically women, to not sacrifice any amount of quality of life to have kids. A generation of unparalleled wealth and quality of life can't have kids because they are addicted to everything being perfect and easy. I am tired of people making the affordability excuse, the data says its wrong. Stop making this argument.
@@koy540 Can you provide this data? Yea, didn't think so.
@@koy540seconded, the economy had undergone a massive shift over the past three years, 29% are doing remote or hybrid work, 40% have the option to do either and yet there's still no baby boom and people are still complaining about the cost of childcare. Women just don't want children anymore, period 🤷♀️
@@koy540 That is a huge generalization. And I'm not sure why you are saying affordability isn't an issue when it is. Look at the average wage as a proportion of the average rent from the 1980s and compare that with 2023 if you need proof.
And it should be obvious that any country facing such problems is full.
Its mostly about income: My father bought himself the large house they raised me and my sister with a job as a technician.
Today, both me and my syster have graduations, full time jobs and still can't even dream of being able to purchase a house.
Houses in my country spiked from 180 to 900K on average in less than a single generation.
In all, we can't afford shit, surviving without burdening our parents past our 30's is already a dream, let alone having everything my parents had at 24's.
Which country do you live in may I ask?
I'm not discounting the high demand for real estate... but...
My father was born in 1942 and grew up right smack in the middle of middle class. Middle class meant he grew up in a 10' x 11' room with two brothers, all three sharing the same bedroom, meant he had to pay his way through college -- which wasn't that hard because tuition hadn't exploded in price (primarily due to the steady stream of easy-to-obtain government loans), meant they took one vacation per year where they took the one car in the family to a scenic area in the same or a neighboring state, meant he had a few shirts and a few pants at any given time, meant no smartphones, multiple TVs, videogame consoles, PCs, etc.
When I look at what middle class is today, it is tremendously opulent and luxurious by comparison -- and of course that costs a heck of a lot.
@@CharlesNauck "markets" don't have some magical autonomous will. Its merely the way people act when incentivized to in certain ways.
its the way people play the game within a very tightly predetermined (which every market in human history has been.)
(please spare me the nonsense about capitalism= less government. capitalism is and was the largest government run project in human history. capitalism is in every sense a product of highly developed modern nation states.
if the results of it are disastrous, change the rules of the game.
Christ people are dense,
sounds like auckland, new zealand where i am.
my suburb in 2002 was 180-200k, now its 800-900k
Bro is 100% Canadian
I completely agree with the conclusion of this video. Many parties tend to blame the declining birthrate in many countries to the individuals who reject the idea of having kids, but they failed to see that the government need to create a society where having kids and sustaining a healthy family is not a complete nightmare financially. When surviving is not much of an issue for 99% of the people, they will naturally think of having kids again.
Bloody government. They're going to mess up the world.
Korean Women's Statistics No. 1 in traveling prostitution in the world No. 1 in renewed abortions No. 1 in STDs in history (4 times more than men) Lowest material index No. 1 in luxury consumption No. 1 birth rate in old age No. 1 in divorce rate Asia No. 1 in newborns with disabilities 28.5 percent.
It's not a matter of fertility, and most Korean men have no intention of marrying or even dating Korean women.
In a country with 1.2 million traveling prostitutes, an STD rate of more than 50 percent, and more than 1 million women having abortions a year, there are no more men willing to make the world's most expensive contract and lose their entire life savings.
Well that's not really true, poorer countries have way higher birthrates than first world countries. It's clearly not a financial issue
@@jasonclassmate2292 I agree with your first point. In fact, the video also mentioned that. That's probably because they have a relatively lower living standard.
But I think you forgot that it is mentioned some people in these poorer countries tend to move out to more advanced countries to get better jobs. But after 2 to 3 generations they will adapt and have less child because of the high living cost.
That's my point, if we want to maintain sustainable birth rate in first world countries like Japan and South Korea, the governments need to make sure affording essential living there is not as hellish.
Their culture is garbage kpop slop the result of full cultural diffusion, and a strong case against globalism. Let's call it what it is
My work shift is 10 hours a day, starting before my kids go to school and ending after they get out. I have to PAY not just for school and supplies and lunches, but for before and after care at said school and a nanny to drive my kids there because I’m already at work by the time even their early care begins. The world punishes people for daring to have children and then we wonder why more people don’t do it…
“The wolves are upset, the sheep won’t reproduce”
Exactly. Great way of putting it
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The wolves are all higher class who just want to pay a peanut to its workers.
I feel like this video doesn't address the underlying issue with birth rates: The cost of healthcare, the cost of taking care of a child, and the absolutely crushing lack of opportunity and uncertainty of the future, loss of faith in the society you're growing up in, and a lack of societal stability giving you confidence to procreate and ensure a stable springboard for your progeny. People have kids when they have hope, and that's at a critically low supply right now
This video doesn't address other main issues like the insane inequality in wealth distribution, where 99% of people work their whole lives to be paid miserably while 1% is swimming on gold.
Yeah just like whole comment section, what really cause the all problems? Capitalism is.This Chanel is nothing but a distraction.
Totally agree, neither does it address capitalism.
The poor have more kids both within and across countries. The cost of healthcare and taking care of a child is not the main issue at all.
Come to Germany with very cheap healthcare, free schools and universities, as well as free kindergartens in some states.
Working times are still too long (40 hour weeks are unfortunately the norm) which leaves too little time for oneself and a family
A central problem is that the wealth in society is held by the old, whereas in order to justify kids, young people need affordable housing with lots of space, and income security. Speeding up intergenerational wealth transfer, especially of real estate, is key to population sustainability.
@NONICHE.ECOLOGY Your antihumanist scarcity mindset will fail as exponentially-increasing solar and wind power installs outstrip declines in fossil fuel extraction. Twenty thousand times more solar energy shines on the Earth than humanity's current energy usage. As an increasing fraction of that energy comes under human control we will connect the dots from the Renaissance to the Enlightenment, through the Industrial Revolution, to building an Eden under human control. Just as members of todays' lower classes have better health care and living conditions that the kings of the dark ages, so everyone in the right-sized population of the future will share a Terrestrial ecology optimized for our flourishing and enjoyment. We already affect the climate, and are rapidly gaining the wisdom to have dominion over it.
No. Wealth is held by a small cult of Bankster Families. The old ones with their properties and retirement plans will be taxed and reduced to welfare with your ignorant co operation.
You blame what you see on the surface and know absolutely nothing of the 1% who rule over you behind the stage curtain.
Puppet, you ?
Ah, so that's why they passed the new MAID in Canada. Just convince the old people they are hoarders to keep what they earned and give them a convenient solution.
I thought intergenerational wealth transfer is how the rich keep staying richer.
Problem with property is large firms buying out houses to rent at far above what someone would be paying in mortgage payments, and artificially increasing property values. What your grandfathers could buy within a year on a single income would take two people working far longer to be able to afford. Nobody wants to raise kids in $1,000/month studio apartments so its not shocking birth rates are at an all time low. Combined with widespread birth control to give access to careless sex, anyone who says lowering birth rates and increased STDs are delusional at best and willful perpetrators at worst
12:40 The entire video was just an ad to sell branded plushies.
Im Spanish and this gloomy scenario also rings true for my country.
Around 28% of our young population is unemployed, plenty more are still living in their parents' house because most of the jobs are precarious (heavily biased towards tourism) or can't provide housing and an independent life.
Most of the people my age (I'm 28) just can't start a life on their own and bring a child with the immense cost and dedication needed.
Rural areas are largely unpopulated as well and big cities are impossible to live in. Tourism has led to housing speculation and rents are higher than ever (in some points matching or even surpassing the minimum wage), so a room is what most of the people my age can afford, or keep living with their parents.
Men and women work just as much on 40-hour/week jobs that many times prove insufficient to even pay rent. Most people don't have the means nor the time to form a family.
Birth rates dropping is only a tell-tale sign that many things are wrong with our current, developed countries such as mine, where there's a huge economic barrier to even consider having a child.
Teruel existe
Sadly, mass tourism doesn't have the job stability & security to keep food on the table and retirement less worrying. Everyone becomes informally employed instead of fully absorbed into the workforce + able to join workers union. I can see this happening in Spain, Greece and Thailand where they have high dependency on tourism and lack of diverse jobs in places outside of large metropolitan areas. Not everyone wants to work as contract-based hotel janitors in Costa del Sol, Costa Brava, Benidorm or Mallorca.
I understand many Spanish migrate to France or Germany since they have better paying, stable jobs even if the cost of living is more expensive.
Keep voting sanchez's socialism
La pregunta aquí es, si no se puede pagar ni siquiera la renta- en pocas palabras, la propia vivienda- se puede considerar eso como un país desarrollado? 🤔 o qué cosas son las que definen a un país desarrollado?
Sería interesante cuestionarnos eso antes!
If I could have established a steady career with a dependable income I would have married and raised a family. When one of the bosses of my former company left to start a new company he took a $250M severance package. The current CEO makes nearly $1B a year. When I was fired I was offered 6 months severance pay--about $50K, and haven't found steady work since. I've never felt financially secure enough to enter into family obligations.
Hope you find stable work soon. :( Best of luck!
That's terrible! I hope that you are able to eventually dig yourself out of the pit you've fallen into and find a good job, may god help you.
Tax the rich!
I hope and pray for the best for your life man .May God help you
@@-C3S1UM- I turn 70 in less than 3 months so it's too late for me to start a family or establish a new career, but at least I own a nice home in a quiet, safe suburb with enough retirement income to enjoy it, so don't feel too bad for me.
Many young people don't even have their own home. You can have more money, but if you pay more for living, you are not rich at all. Rents and house prices are crazy - impossible to buy a house/flat without going into debt for 2 lifetimes. Many people just don't want children because it's economically unbearable.
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All result of too many people alive in the world.
@@Kamamura2 no, the problem is with the system which pushes prices too high...
@@tomashromnik108Prices rise because people keep buying or consuming. This especially is so when commodities are limited. So less people=less consumers=lower or at least stable prices. And not to mention less waste, pollution and carbon emissions.
@@theintrovertedaspie9095 it doesn't depend on the count of people but their lifestyle....
Great video!
Personally I'm disgusted when I hear people say that you shouldn't have kids because less humans = a healthier earth.
What is Earth without humans (and any life for that matter)?
Just another lifeless rock floating in a sea of an unconscious universe.
That’s very much entitlement, animals exist too. If it was just them, the Earth would be peaceful and full of life till the sun explodes. Humans are destroying it. I don’t think we should get rid of humans entirely, I just think humans need to do a better job at taking care of the planet. That is much harder when there are lots of us, because of the amount of resources we take up.
Just remind them that overpopulation is a myth.
I've been finding that a large portion of the reasoning for not wanting to have children in many countries now by my generation is that it's become hard to sustain ourselves, let alone a family. Housing is not a realistic goal, jobs are much harder to get, education is questionable, and ethics have become a joke. We are a generation more connected because of the internet, but because of this availability of information, we've been able to see more of what's going on around us. I personally am terrified of the lack of ethics and planning for our future right now by the people in charge, as I don't feel comfortable bringing someone else into this mess right now.
As the wage gaps continue to expand between the rich and poor, the old and youth, there seems to be MUCH less focus on long-term sustainability and infrastructure, which leads a majority of the generation to not have the same ambitions or to be left scared and confused about what's actually possible anymore.
Really stupid how humans of decades ago were afraid of overpopulation and decided to do dumb things like one child policy, then when population starts going down, they start doom mongering about decreasing population.
Just add parental support into the laws. Every child has to pay 10% of their income to their parents. Then you can take a mortgage for 18 years to cover child raising costs and then use the parental support payments to payoff the mortgage. if you mess up and your children become bums you will be stuck with the mortgage. But if you do a good job and your children become productive members of society you will make a profit on the investment.
@@prabuddhaghosh7022yes nice idea and then the next generation has even less resources to spend during the most crucial years of their development, all the while already having to support the weight of an overaged population.
@@prabuddhaghosh702210%!? The taxes are insanity anyway!
@@prabuddhaghosh7022 I'd lean towards agreeing with this. This is what we do now anyway, we tax the young to support the old. It's just rather than being taxed to support someone else's parents, you are taxed to support your own placing far more burden on parents to look after their own kids rather than relying on someone else's kids. Of course, that would only work if our regular state taxes were decreased to match.
Reading the replies below, it's funny how angry people are at the idea of taxing kids to support parents when that is basically how we've lived for 100s of thousands of years with kids having to support their parents in their old age with parents knowing their care in old age relied upon how they raised their children. People seem so unhappy with the idea of personal responsility to raise their own kids, but perfectly happy with the idea of taking the work of other people's kids.
I'm 34 nurse in Italy. Working at public hospital, so doing great by nurse standards. I literally could live better 10 years ago when i was working in private retirement houses and getting 400€ less monthly than I am now. I can barely pay rent and get to next paycheck and i get to the job by foot and dont have to use a car etc, and since i have 0 social interactions out of work i dont spend money on "going out and drinks".
I would like to have a wife and a kid (perfectly 3 as it was always my dream to have 3 kids) but honestly with the wages and prices overal, I can't imagine how one to afford a house/appartment and have money to raise a child. Like ok, with 2 parents working there may be enough money for house, school, and kids extracurriculars. But then there would be no time at all to dedicate to the child.
And i dont want a kid growing up alone traumatized that his parents are not with them when they need it the most.
sad to hear, but our wages have been stagnating (or worsening) for the past 20 years, meanwhile inflation in Italy kept growing. Now a lot of Italians work to just stay afloat, the economic commitment to have kids would send a lot of families under.
We have a record of 11.5% of workers being poor (under subsistence threshold).
There is also another aspect usually ignored: having kids much later in life means the gap between generations widens: I have now 2 kids aged 11 and 8 and have to care for the two surviving grandparents, both suffering from serious illnesses caused by old age.
What once was a resource in Italy (grandparents) is fast becoming a burden.
@@MazinPaolowage stagnation, inflation, in Italy? Multiply that by 10 and you have Argentina"s reality.
@@juanpabloflores8179 Man, that's terrible to see from an ocean away, I can't imagine what would be living in it.
Also it seems that Argentina periodically takes these economic downturns.
A hug from Italy, we feel very close to Argentina: it's the Latin American country that received more immigration from Italy of all and also the country with most Italians actually living in (648.333 by the 2010 census)
As a Korean, I sympathized with this a lot. In particular, Korean politicians are not particularly interested in this issue and are doing their best to hide it. Korea was able to emerge as a developed country, but the thought that it will become the first modern country to collapse solely due to internal influences fills me with disgust for politicians.
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AFRICAN POLITICIANS ARE NOT INTERESTED IN THEIR PEOPLES WELLFARE, SOUTH AMERICAN POLITICIANS ARE ALSO CORRUPT, SOUHT KOREAN POLITICIANS WERE NOT REALLY INTERESTED DURING THE 1950S WHEN KOREAN WAS AT WAR BUT KOREANS WERE HAVING 6 TIMES MORE CHILDREN, ALSO INDIA AND SOUTH AMERICA AS WELL AS AFRICANS ARE HAVING MILLIONS OF CHILDRE. I AM TELLING YOU IS THE KOREAN SELFISHNESS AND THE CANCER OF FEMINISM THAT IS KILLING KOREA.
I was shocked when I heard Korean has lower fertility rate than Japan. I've always known that Japan's population become older so I basically thought that Japan's fertility rates are decreaseing -until I saw Korean's rate.
The government doesn't care about the people? What a surprise
Dude Korea won't collapse. Japan has been facing this population problem (along with economic stagnation) for decades, far longer than Korea. And yet even now, despite allowing barely any immigration, the average Japanese person has a much much better lifestyle than the average person in any high-fertility country. In fact, the countries that are closest to collapse have the highest fertility rates.
All this fear-mongering is nonsensical. A couple of decades ago people were doing the same thing about overpopulation. Apparently the world would be overrun and we'd all starve to death because there'd be too many people. Lol. That fear-mongering about population led China to implement the one-child policy, which has now landed it in this new problem. Just relax and let things play out. Worst case scenario, Korea will have to start accepting more immigrants. But considering how the Japan story is playing out, they probably won't even have to do that.
9:06, and that's the *main problem*
_Unwin also stated "In the past, too, the greatest energy has been displayed only by those societies which have reduced their sexual opportunity to a minimum by the adoption of absolute monogamy (para. 168). _*_In every case the women and children were reduced to the level of legal nonentities, sometimes also to the level of chattels, always to the level of mere appendages of the male estate._*_ Eventually they were freed from their disadvantages, but at the same time the sexual opportunity of the society was extended. Sexual desires could then be satisfied in a direct or perverted manner... _*_So the energy of the society decreased, and then disappeared."_*_ He points out that "No society has yet to succeeded in regulating the relations between the sexes in such a Way as to enable sexual opportunity to remain at a minimum for an extended period." - _*_and thus all societies have collapsed._*
- J. D. Unwin, _Sex and Culture_ circa 1930s 💊
9:47 that's a *BIOLOGICAL* problem, not a cultural one, and nobody asked them to join the laborforce to be pawns to the elites either.
I have one daughter and 100% of mine and my girlfriend's time is already spent on taking care of her, entertaining her, working, commuting to/from work and essential household chores. It's really hard to imagine having a second child at this point. For us the limiting factor is time.
Why aren't you married? Have kids with little age gaps and they entertain each other.
@@xrfa7422 Maybe they don't wanted to be married. Maybe where they live there's no difference between been married or not. Maybe they're happy in that way (?
Parents in poor countries let the kid roam around and help them with work. That works for them. It’s too much work trying to clean up after a thing that makes a mess, but if you can change the thing to help you. Now you can have more of those things.
I have four small children. It's great. The time appears. Get married and have a half dozen. You'll love it.
The more u have the less time u can give each and so ur parenting will be lesser quality to each
My parents are both teachers. After college they quickly got lifetime contracts, took a loan, bought a house and eventually paid off the loan. Now 40 years later, with the house having lost quite a bit of (relative) value and them having reached higher positions in their schools, they would no longer be able to afford this house. So if you start now with a beginners income (and of course no lifetime contract, even in your wildest dreams) ... yeah, good luck with that. I might have a hunch as to why people were more likely to have kids back then.
@burnjapanandrisingsunflagDo you know that there are dozens of benefits that support single female households in Seoul?
Do you know that more than half of the universities where only women can attend are selected as pharmacists, one of the most coveted jobs in Korea?
A man who has cancer and weighs 170cm and weighs 48kg also goes to the army, and you know that women are not obligated to do any defense at that time?
@burnjapanandrisingsunflagDo you know that there are dozens of benefits that support single female households in Seoul?
Do you know that more than half of the universities where only women can attend are selected as pharmacists, one of the most coveted jobs in Korea?
A man who has cancer and weighs 170cm and weighs 48kg also goes to the army, and you know that women are not obligated to do any defense at that time?
@@사미타이 go away propaganda bot
Build or switch-to tiny homes? I always have got solutions, just ask!
_Unwin also stated "In the past, too, the greatest energy has been displayed only by those societies which have reduced their sexual opportunity to a minimum by the adoption of absolute monogamy (para. 168). _*_In every case the women and children were reduced to the level of legal nonentities, sometimes also to the level of chattels, always to the level of mere appendages of the male estate._*_ Eventually they were freed from their disadvantages, but at the same time the sexual opportunity of the society was extended. Sexual desires could then be satisfied in a direct or perverted manner... _*_So the energy of the society decreased, and then disappeared."_*_ He points out that "No society has yet to succeeded in regulating the relations between the sexes in such a Way as to enable sexual opportunity to remain at a minimum for an extended period." - _*_and thus all societies have collapsed._*
- J. D. Unwin, _Sex and Culture_ circa 1930s 💊
I would like to contribute my point of view on this matter. I'm from Brazil, and both my maternal and paternal grandparents had between 6 to 13 children. It was very common in their time for women to give birth at a young age, around 20 years old, and they would have many children. They didn't lead luxurious lives, and a lot of people raised chickens, pigs, cattle, and vegetables to help with their daily diet. They were from a time when women didn't work; only the men would provide for everyone in the family, and yet they managed to live a humble life.
Then, people from the same age group as my parents (now in their 60s) had between 1 to 4 children, and they still struggled to maintain their households. Despite having fewer children, they no longer cultivated crops or raised cattle as people migrated to urban jobs. Even with women joining the workforce, they still struggled to have a decent life.
Now, I'm the first in my close social circle to have children. We're in our 30s to 40s now, and most don't want to have children. Both my wife and I work, and we barely manage to have a decent life with just one child.
So, raising a family is becoming increasingly expensive over the span of 100 years. The cost of living, healthcare, entertainment - everything is on the rise. If my grandparents had 13 children today, without any support and with just one person working, they would starve.
In overall, there is general feeling that our grandparents could do more with less. I will also leave a random information here:
The richest 1% in the world kept almost 2/3 of all wealth generated since 2020 - around US$42 trillion.
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Here's the thing, women were always working. The issue is everyone being aware of such. Running the affairs of a household and raising children is no small task and is a proper full-time job in itself if done correctly. But it's not valued properly by modern society in the scheme of things. That type of job which is necessary has its time demands unmet when the current social order pushes things into requiring two incomes to afford housing and most necessities as they are in the developed world. Thus compensated labor stole away from the requirement of "uncompensated" labor as needed for society to actually function. (Uncompensated is in quotes, because any couple that recognizes the importance of what is done at home is going to cover the costs of the at-home spouse to take care of needs and keep them happy. So it's "uncompensated" in the regards to how economic book-keeping is usually done for tracking income.)
why does everyone bring up wealth? poorer nations have more kids and poorer ppl in western society have more kids than the 1%
Yeah most of the wealth going to such a small portion of people is an insane issue, just imagine if those people just gave up half of their income to give back to their employees. Maybe people would actually be able to afford shit these days.
It's more expensive in cities tfs
9:38 my idol was raised like that
He was the son of his community more than anything, and grew up to live for the community, and thriving at that
A diamond in the rough
(Edit: video title has changed since I made this comment. Didn't used to specify Korea.)
Low wages and an obsession with infinite growth are holding us back. Over the last 30 years our effective buying power has been cut in half. If people were able to work fewer hours for more pay, they'd be able to better pursue family, careers, and their own happiness with less compromise.
how can you be married if you don't have any home am i right? housing price is sky high, inflation is the problem. i mean older days its cheaper to buy land and property, nowdays 100m2 land is already expensive in some countries. also the lifestyle now more needy, healthcare is also a problem.
The workforce doubled
The wages halved
Is either too many people working or working too much
@burnjapanandrisingsunflagKorea's security is among the best in the world and its crime rate against women is very low. Also, the average educational background of women is at the top of the list. Korea's women's rights are among the highest in the world.
feels like my buying power has been cut in half in just the last 3 years
@burnjapanandrisingsunflagMolka is pretty much an urban legend at this point. They were searching for Molkas in women's bathroom located at major train stations in Seoul and you know what happened? They found none after a whole month of intense investigation.
A while back I had the displeasure of listening to a senior citizen (who shall remain unnamed) complain about how young people these days are just so lazy. "By the time I was that age, i AlReAdY hAd A hOuSe." And I'm over here struggling not to blow up and tell them to get a fucking clue. The economy is NOT the same.
nowadays old people are just not accepting the fact that the world has changed so much.
@@zayedbinimran957 In fairness we will probably act in a similar manner if and when we reach their age. It happens with each generation, I have seen my parents complain about my grandparents and now I complain about my parents. The cycle will just continue.
@@20thCentury_Turtle not us. We are gen z. We literally grew up in a world that was constantly changing and as such changes won't impact us as much as the older generations like x and y because in their time change was slow so seeing the world change so fast they couldn't adapt.
The elderly like to victim blame Millennials & Gen Z for the consequences that they themselves created. They worshiped the Greed Machine & made other dumb decisions that harmed us before we were even born.
@@zayedbinimran957Don't you think that is kind of a closed mindset? I mean with Gen Z starting at 1997, none of them were old enough to remember 9/11. The surge in the middle east had died down before any of them were old enough to enlist. To date, the biggest thing gen Z has had to experience was a pandemic scare that just resulted in staying home for a few months then wearing masks for a year or so. Meanwhile Gen Z's parents and grandparents saw wars the US actually took part in. From Vietnam to the Gulf war to the middle east. Along with watching 9/11 on the TV and wondering if their Gen Z kid was still safe at school. Honestly, in my opinion, most of what Gen Z has gone through the first started turning 18, 9 years ago, pales in comparison to what most previous generations experienced. But hey, there's another 10-20 years till their kids are old enough to make this kind of comment so there's plenty of time for actual major changes.
As a Korean I would like to point out that one of the biggest reasons young people can't have kids here is because of the "Seoul Republic" problem. Currently the absolute majority of the Big corporations are located in Seoul or the Seoul metropolitan area. Young people all across the nation has to move to seoul to get a Job. But that only make competition and House prices go higher. It's very hard for this generation to get a job, and it's near impossible to own a house in seoul if you're parent doesn't already have one. This issue plus long work hours and strict work culture kills all thought of having marriage. I believe an update on our work culture and fairer distribution of jobs and infrastructure across regions are absolutely necessary for my countries future. I cannot say there will be a good outcome, but when the population shrinks up to a certain point and the national work mindset changes enough
things can change. I like to think the pain we endure today could be a learning experience to be a better nation overall.
Anyways much thanks for Kurz!
The "Seoul Republic" problem was almost same 10 years ago. But birth rate was 1.3 at that time. The biggest reasons are house price and unemployment rate.
@burnjapanandrisingsunflagThat's a lie. Show evidence.
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@burnjapanandrisingsunflag No. First your claim is not true. Second, it can't be the major reason for such a rapid decline in the fertility rate. Yours is just some radical claim that rather disturb constructive discussion and establishment of pragmatic policies.
+ what's wrong with your id, burn japan? Why so overwhelmed with anger?😂
Obviously, work cultures are very different in places like Korea when compared to the West, but it seems to me a simple solution is allowing the majority of those white-collar jobs to go remote. Allow anyone who wants to move to the countryside to go remote. I think you'd achieve some equilibrium because a lot of people would still prefer city life but those who don't could leave.
I'm a South Korean student. In our county, so many problems spread out anywhere. In everyday, many issues are concerned. Of course, in there, many society issues also include. In this situation, I think our lowest birth rate is not surprising.😢😢😢
I’m not Korean, I’m Singaporean. However, after just a few minutes into this video, I felt like it hit home. I’m actually only 13, but the amount of stress I see in my peers is so insanely frustrating. Many parents constantly put their child through extra tuition, and if you only have 1 or 2 subjects of extra lessons, you’re already considered extremely “fortunate”. I’ve seen parents chiding their child for getting less than 95, or sending their 7 year old for tuition for all subjects.
Not to mention, even co-curricular activities (basically clubs in school like badminton) has an effect on your national examination score (which will determine which Junior College you end up in, because people rarely want to go to the less “prestigious” polytechnics). You have to make sure you do charity, have a leadership role in your CCA (club), stay in the same one through your entire secondary school life, and have a close to 100% attendance or be looked down on (aren’t CCAs supposed to be stress-relievers? not some other variation of torture we have to go through 2-3 times a week or more)
In fact, i’m not even “qualified” to be sharing my experiences, because according to this system I had it easy. Our first national exams start at 12 years old, and many people already start preparing as young as 7. This is the infamous PSLE, which will determine which secondary school we will end up in. Of course, they vary in “eliteness”, and you will be heavily judged based on what school you go to. Basically, we put 12 year olds into a nationwide exam and put the immense pressure on them to do well (which means at least above 85 for all subjects because elite schools want nothing less). We can’t forget the amount of practice papers and tuition everyday (most kids that age sleep at 11pm-12am).
According to my PSLE grades, I am not a student of good caliber, and was immediately sent to a secondary school I barely knew existed. Sure, my parents were disappointed, and I can’t say I wasn’t either. However, none of these things really matter, and plus i’m enjoying my school life right now. I’d much rather be in a non-elite school than slave away for the next four or six years, slogging through exam practices at 1am.
for those who read until here, i’m really thankful you took your time to listen to my rant lmao
i feel really sad for my friends as I hear them laugh about their insomnia or them crying to sleep because “at least their grades are better”
I do sympathise with you. It is a mistake that we do that we do not allow the children to enjoy this earth despite our control of it.
I’m a Singaporean completing my degree in Sydney, Australia. All the points regarding stress you have made are well founded, I too shared similar views about standardised testing. However, since exposure to international (western) education systems, I believe that the Singaporean system is a relatively good balance between east and west education philosophies. Standardised testing is a relatively fair and accurate method of assessing one’s ability in later stages of education. (Basically, if you don’t do well in standardised tests at level 1, it is unlikely you would do well in level2)The development of technical education in ITE and polytechnics have made strides towards providing alternative routes to success and I encourage you to explore these options as I myself decided to attend a polytechnic instead of a junior college despite scoring decently in my O levels (L1R5 of 12). Also, if you’re dreading attending CCAs, you should probably consider switching to something you are actually interested in. Studying in Singapore will probably be the easiest thing you will have to do in your life as a Singaporean. The fact is we do not have any natural advantages as a country and our human resources which in large part is dependent on our top ranking education system is critical for our nation to stay competitive.
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I wish i was smart like you when i had 13 years, be proud of yourself.
Since you are young, a definite advice I can recommend is to find a form of career you love. Most education system focus on too many shallow subjects, it became worthless in real value. Spending your time to explore things you really want to purse is more important than getting good grades.
In our Australian reality, my girlfriend and I would very much like to contribute kids to the world one day - and our main and biggest obstacle is the cost of living. We both work full time salaries and are stuck renting only barely scraping enough savings up to put away for a property of our own one day. We don't feel comfortable raising kids in a rental environment here in this country at least because of the impermanence of it. Rent goes up every year now. If it weren't for the bank of mum and dad offering help for a deposit, we'd assume all hope is lost.
Have you considered moving to a cheaper part of the country? Like a rural part?
Move to Korea to teach English. Native English teachers all over the world are paid handsome salaries and have lives better than the average locals of their respective countries.
@@MyNameIsJ3ffrey You move there, then the jobs there don't pay enough.
then you will own your own business in that rural area its not that hard people just loves city life@@rygar8bit2
@@MyNameIsJ3ffreythat doesn't really exist in Australia
고령화가 되면 혁신적인 발전보다는 고령인구들의 부를 지키기 위한 쪽으로만 돌아 간다는 것이 정말 지금 한국 사회랑 잘 맞는거 같네요.
저도 정확히 말씀하신 부분이 인구감소를 더 촉진시키고 있다고 생각해서 제도적인 변화가 마련돼야 할거 같네요..
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It’s not that I like that people are not populating, it’s rather, that I can’t afford them, so I won’t have them. So, oh well. 🤷🏻♂️
I remembered when back in the day people were talking about overpopulation a lot of experts said that the human population will average out at around 8-9 Billion. Props to them for getting their estimates right!
The estimates I was hearing in 2001 were more like 13 billion.
Also Africa has been pushing education massively in the last 30 years. These people learned about contraceptives, about abortions and about the importance of a degree. The birthrates in some african countries went down by a very high percentage. Meanwhile in more western countries and just industrial countries in general are just realising that its too expensive OR that it just isnt worth getting kids because of how shitty the world is. I know like 3 people (including myself) that dont want kids just because they think its immoral to bring kids into such a shitty world.
@@itcamefromthedeep The "top out" population has been 10 to 12 billion for the past 40 years. You always had some nuts saying ridiculous things like 100 billion, but you can't take the outliers seriously. Look at the consensus.
We don't need more people. Just move people from the parts of he world that will be inhabitable because of climate change. Move people from the global south to the global north. Don't have more people. The world as we know it will not survive. And they were right about overpopulation. Some just want more people to produce more and make billionaires richer. Meanwhile the average joe is suffering and the environment is destroyed.
Nonsense, population estimates have always been higher than that, and they still are.
The causes of low birth rates in Korea are very diverse and complex, so it's very challenging to find any solutions. As someone who was born and raised in Korea, I believe that cultural issues are just as significant as economic problems (such as high housing prices and the high cost of living). Korean society is very accustomed to comparisons and competition, and the spread of the internet in modern society has made this even worse. People often compare themselves to others in terms of appearance, wealth, education, and more, sometimes idolizing those they perceive as 'superior' or ridiculing those they consider 'inferior'. Nowadays, many 'mediocre' individuals even think it's better not to have children at all if their child can't be the best. In addition, the rate of childless young adults engaging in romantic relationships has been declining significantly. Many young people are now saying that they would rather stay single if they cannot find a partner who meets their (sometimes unrealistically high) standards.
Dude, your country is massively overpopulated. It doesn't matter how people change their behavior, overpopulation in safe environments makes people stop wanting to have babies. The particular ways and particular things people focus on are completely interchangeable
Basically, your choice is - either your country returns to sane levels of population density, or you have to make people switch into clueless survival mode while living in the moment where their hormones will tell them to procreate like rabbits.
@burnjapanandrisingsunflagNo, that's a lie spreaded by korean feminists to victimize themselves.
@burnjapanandrisingsunflagSeoul invested .7 billion KRW to find out such camera but they found none.
This is something that needs to be improved all over the world but particularly in Korea. Everyone needs better self-esteem and we need to focus our society more on working together than against each other.
@@NJ-wb1cz Yes, Korea is overpopulated. And the idea of creating more available space by decreasing the population may seem attractive. However, the real concern lies in the population's age structure (As mentioned in the video). In the next 50 years, nearly half of the country's population will be over 65 years old, which could seriously disrupt the current economic structure and make it extremely difficult for society to operate smoothly.
I am turning 30 soon. Most of my 20s have been stressing about getting the right education, finding the good job which provides me with income, working hard to save money for my own house, resulting to having two burn-outs by the age of 28. I haven't had time to find a spouse, and I feel like I might end up childfree. Age cannot be reversed, and I am still 24/7 exhausted due to the last burnout, which I haven't been able to recover from. How am I supposed to raise a child when I already am exhausted, I hardly can go to the grocery store without wanting to cry and yell - not to mention how to find someone willing to make a child with me when I am like this! I would make a horrible parent.
Please trust and believe you aren’t alone. It’s not your fault it’s the way the world is 😢
Same, I suffered a burn out at 26 and I am still recovering from it. I do not even have the time or money to start dating and find someone. Unfortunately dating requires time and money which many of us do not have. Plus, incels culture has been growing sporadically. Who wants to marry someone that hates your gender?
Partner up with friends, split the cost, and ride out the wave; Ya
@@humpheryflaubert8172 yeah it’s so easy to get friends to basically marry you.
@@amyamyamy777 Marry? No I mean to split a flat, home, or whatever. But, you could take advantage of the system and marry as well. It's all pointless anyways at the end of the day.
3:06 is very important and people dont seem to understand. We have made a culture that discourages kids. This is the exact opposite of evolutionary practices that got not only us here but all living things. Please talk about this more. How it happened and what we must do. Take the biggest issue you can. Climate, war, whatever you think of... THIS IS WORSE!
One of the biggest issues I have is that people are already finding it hard to take care of themselves so having a kid would just burden them financially more. High rent with the costs of owning cars due to city's being built around boxes of metal keeps us chained to that system. In the end the cost of living vs average wages is too high.
Just a minor correction:
Not too high, too disparate.
@@SarahizahhsumA man in Korea has to spend more than a year and a half without pay in the military. But in Korean society, the treatment of soldiers is treated like street dogs. And when you get married, a man has to buy a house, which costs more than $400,000. $400,000 at 30 and serving in the military service? Is this practically possible? But if you don't do this, you're a failure in society
That isn't the cause of low birth rates. Have you looked at the lives of the poor? Or the past? Worse inequality, worse circumstances. And yet people still had and have (in the case of poor nations) kids. The flipside of this is also seen - even the super rich don't have large families. Not even most billionaires do. And programs to incentivize birth, including just giving people cash, have largely failed.
@@ArawnOfAnnwn Everyone has their own reasons, I am just sharing another prospective
@@Sarahizahhsum true, mb bro
I just have to say, I've never felt so seen in this comment section. I think this is the first time I've truly felt connected to so many other people on the internet that share my concerns and frustrations towards surviving, let alone living, in this world. Stay courageous everyone
I think that's a huge telling of how little it's actually talked about, like yeah inflation and economic downturn is constantly talked about but you never see how many people it actually impacts because it's not covered anywhere ever
I’m about to check out. It’s not worth it; I have nothing to live for.
@@austins.2495 offspring & leaving a legacy have provided solid reasons to our ancestors to live for. Give it a try. We'll all die one day, there's no need to rush it.
@@GoranSeletkovic so by your logic, if you hate your life and can barely afford to survive, its worth having kids so they struggle just as much, just for the accomplishment of having a legacy? it is incredibly selfish to have kids in todays world, they will struggle since you wont be able to take proper care of them, and you will also struggle trying to raise them and survive at the same time.
I am a Korean born in the 1993. When I graduated from elementary school in 2004, the total number of students was about 2,000.
But now the elementary school has 146 students. In just 19 years, the number of elementary school students has decreased by 13 times.
What a record. This is even phenomenal
I'm a Korean too, but they still have 2000 students in my elementary school uh maybe because it's in Seoul?...
@@AlexKim-s5z probably because as the population decreases people move into the cities
I just hope its not permanent but I can't help but see Korean people and see a bunch of very ambitious young adults who are under immense pressure to reach an ideal perfection. Instead of looking within, it seems the world looks with out and loses self identity for esteem within common globalized cults of cooperate branding and sanctioned behaviors. Its safer to be there running the race than to be alone on the outside as lagging behind vocationally on a global scale has hellish consequences...
I am also a Korean who goes to middle school and there are almost 1000 students in my school it don't make sense is it?
AND YOU AS A YOUNG KOREAN SHOULD BE ASHAMED FOR YOUR GENERATION THAT WILL CAUSE THE COLLAPSE OF THE KOREAN CIVILIZATION.
I just want to take a moment to appreciate intelligent examination of complex issues over knee-jerk reactions.