Do You Have a Free Will?

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  • Опубликовано: 24 дек 2024

Комментарии • 19 тыс.

  • @kurzgesagt
    @kurzgesagt  6 месяцев назад +2050

    Go to ground.news/nutshell to break free from manipulative algorithms and discover news you might be missing.

  • @BanjoeCommando
    @BanjoeCommando 6 месяцев назад +6464

    I came here to have an existential crisis, not to be called out for not cleaning my room.

    • @generalivan3489
      @generalivan3489 6 месяцев назад +42

      real

    • @iz_tigas_gugu8077
      @iz_tigas_gugu8077 6 месяцев назад +16

      Fr 😂

    • @SourDonut99
      @SourDonut99 6 месяцев назад +52

      I'll give you some.
      You're here because of some carefully picked bright colours on a thumbnail and a clickbait title.
      This video was brought to you by ground news. The news site that helps you filter through the NPCs. So at least some of us are NPCs.
      Also I just rewatched Idiocracy and saw the scene where the guy was like "omg you like MONEY too?"
      The free will argument only makes sense because we can't model the future by measuring every particle. But that argument will fall apart if we could.
      We are getting extremely close. Not on the modeling every particle front but by modeling with your sex, gender, age, ethnicity, Google search history, Amazon purchase history, RUclips watch history, political affiliation, country, etc etc etc and they can read you like a book. They are only getting better and better.
      RUclips is like...here's this video. Ya, click it. You can't help it. I know because I have all your history. You love this sh*t.

    • @mysticcity312
      @mysticcity312 6 месяцев назад +1

      Biden: "Oh give me a break"

    • @michaeldavid6832
      @michaeldavid6832 6 месяцев назад +3

      You get both. Winner.

  • @awesomehpt8938
    @awesomehpt8938 6 месяцев назад +14582

    “When you decided to watch this video instead of doing something useful” I don’t know if that burn is aimed towards us or themselves

    • @crystalytemage
      @crystalytemage 6 месяцев назад +578

      speaking of NPCs, the bots in this reply section:

    • @jasonphan3669
      @jasonphan3669 6 месяцев назад +297

      and your comment are literally invade by actual NPC is kinda funny to me

    • @DreadEnder
      @DreadEnder 6 месяцев назад +61

      Considering I’m currently in a college study room watching this… yeah.

    • @reinhartnata47
      @reinhartnata47 6 месяцев назад +83

      These bots are getting more wild now wtf

    • @ahmadscientist6623
      @ahmadscientist6623 6 месяцев назад +10

      All of the above

  • @xe-n-on
    @xe-n-on 6 месяцев назад +15035

    Officer, I swear, it was established 14 billion years ago!

    • @amilo5
      @amilo5 6 месяцев назад +306

      Ignorance does not prevent punishment

    • @simonklinke
      @simonklinke 6 месяцев назад +104

      @@amilo5it should tho on some level

    • @urooj09
      @urooj09 6 месяцев назад +162

      ​@@simonklinkewell that's why we have prisons and not kill people usually

    • @Alex-ud6kv
      @Alex-ud6kv 6 месяцев назад +646

      The punishment was established 14 billion years ago too

    • @residentes8477
      @residentes8477 6 месяцев назад +61

      ​@@amilo5its not ignorance though, the criminal can be fully aware of their crimes and still be unable to avoid comitting the crimes due to lack of free will.

  • @desudesudesu5326
    @desudesudesu5326 3 месяца назад +447

    "It's over no-free-will camp. I have portrayed you as narrow-minded kiki lightning bolts and myself as the friendly bouba clouds."

    • @ElkAndTurt
      @ElkAndTurt 2 месяца назад +11

      fr

    • @DavidsFeverDream
      @DavidsFeverDream 2 месяца назад +7

      true

    • @stars4charlotte
      @stars4charlotte 2 месяца назад +69

      the bias in this video is insane 😭

    • @harrisondorn7091
      @harrisondorn7091 2 месяца назад +38

      Yeah I found the framing odd. Why's it so terrible if the feeling of free will is only a feeling, produced by other things? I'm happy to be a link in the causal chain, being outside it would be existentially strange. Isn't it cooler that a part of the whole can witness itself, priviledged with this beautiful experience, and even get to experience the sensation of choosing? Which allows for more abstractions to be possible, like meaning, morality, and purpose. It can even invent the concept of taking itself seriously and pretend to be "somebody" for a short while :P. I think the resistance to it comes from the horror that a dualist view would bring. Nobody wants to be something separate that is totally at the mercy of physics. Like a ghost trapped in a flesh robot. That sounds scary as heck.
      Love this Alan Watts quote: "You are something the whole universe is doing, in the same way that a wave is something that the whole ocean is doing. The real you is not a puppet that life pushes around, the real deep down you is the whole universe."

    • @jad563
      @jad563 Месяц назад +11

      ⁠@@harrisondorn7091I don’t have any desire to be a passive observer that is indistinguishable from the rest of existence. If I had the choice between that and nonexistence, I would simply rather not be. The only value I feel of my existence is in being an independent entity defined by the borders of myself (no matter how meaningless or insignificant).

  • @paulojabez
    @paulojabez 6 месяцев назад +29009

    If i am NPC, the programmer was joking

    • @AquaQuokka
      @AquaQuokka 6 месяцев назад +398

      ​@UTTPNINTENDOWARRIORLi'l bro forgot to place his RTL unicode correctly

    • @cycrothelargeplanet
      @cycrothelargeplanet 6 месяцев назад +55

      ​@@AquaQuokkaThey don't even know what RTLOs are

    • @Sepia_Skittles
      @Sepia_Skittles 6 месяцев назад

      You're a programmers shitpost.

    • @djt08031996
      @djt08031996 6 месяцев назад +262

      Ok, I'm ready to transition from my tragic backstory into my character development. Please. I'm in my late 20s

    • @unknownbannana8241
      @unknownbannana8241 6 месяцев назад +38

      @GeneralMisanthropyUTTP what

  • @Hackerisitic
    @Hackerisitic 6 месяцев назад +10253

    "H2O molecules are not wet, but your pants are definitely wet now"
    Truly one of the sentences of all time.

    • @Global-yt
      @Global-yt 6 месяцев назад +427

      I see Kurzgesagt has taken his stand on the age-old question.

    • @ВзрывоопасныйПоцык
      @ВзрывоопасныйПоцык 6 месяцев назад +461

      pick-up line

    • @Sepia_Skittles
      @Sepia_Skittles 6 месяцев назад +316

      @@ВзрывоопасныйПоцык If you try to use it as a pick-up line, you'll get banned from ever talking to a woman.

    • @JannPoo
      @JannPoo 6 месяцев назад +123

      Saying that H2O molecules are not wet is basically reopening that whole debate of whether water is wet or not.

    • @Upstartfir
      @Upstartfir 6 месяцев назад +28

      ​@JannPoo I mean, there is not so water isn't wet, and when it's on the bigger scale, it's not wet as it makes things wet

  • @mrsquackyesreally1915
    @mrsquackyesreally1915 6 месяцев назад +38373

    The dudes saying First are the real NPCs
    Unironically, most of the replies on this comments are NPCs
    Yes, a comment like this is also from an NPC, why did so many people like this shity comment?

  • @beaconofwierd1883
    @beaconofwierd1883 4 месяца назад +260

    The problem with the whole free will discussion is that no one can define what it is, because we try to define it through to conciousness, which we also don’t know what it is.
    So until we can explain consiousnes, we can’t know if we have ”free will” or not.

    • @mmediocahyt1170
      @mmediocahyt1170 4 месяца назад +7

      they flail about when it comes to actually establishing a definition, but they’re always talking about libertarian free will

    • @edgarmorales4476
      @edgarmorales4476 Месяц назад +3

      Free will is the gift humankind has been given that allows each individual to freely choose their ideas and what they wish to believe or disbelieve. Our ability through the choices we make, to create new circumstances and environment, relationships, achievement or failure, prosperity or poverty.
      There is no way that man may escape what he thinks, says or does [i.e., the fruits of his free will]-for he is born of the "Divine Creative Consciousness" power and is likewise creative in his imagination.

    • @beaconofwierd1883
      @beaconofwierd1883 Месяц назад +21

      @ That sounds poetic and deep, but how is it different from simply thinking? As for choosing your beliefs, that’s not something we can do. If someone shows you your beliefs are false, and you actually understand them to be false, you will stop believing them. Even if you still want to believe, you will know it to be false. An extreme example of this is trying to believe that the sky is green. You can state it however much you want, but you won’t
      belelieve it because you know it’s false.
      What is the difference between thought and free will? Why do people claim that animals don’t have free will but they have thought?
      Is free will simply understanding the consequences of your actions? Does a child not have free will then? What’s the difference between free will and simply making a choice?
      To me ”free will” is like saying ”the soul”. It has no real definition and it’s mostly just used to call humans special.

    • @winwinogaming
      @winwinogaming Месяц назад +3

      We know what consciousness is because all of us experience it, it's awareness. If you take away all of our senses, our thought, and perception of time then we are not aware and not conscious. The only question is if the decisions we make are pre-determined or not. On the surface it seems yes, it must be, as our decisions are a reaction to inputs. But I tend to think it's not pre-determined as the universe is ruthlessly efficient and if consciousness was not required for living things then we would not have it.

    • @mmediocahyt1170
      @mmediocahyt1170 Месяц назад +2

      @@winwinogaming if it’s not pre determined, then it’s uncaused and random. Still doesn’t give us the type of “freeness” we’re looking for when we’re alluding to agency and moral accountability

  • @jimmynuetron9255
    @jimmynuetron9255 6 месяцев назад +5019

    "At least you can choose what video comes next"
    *RUclips Autoplay:*

    • @NguyenMinh792
      @NguyenMinh792 6 месяцев назад +56

      “I’m about to destroy your will, hahaha!”

    • @DuplexWeevil337
      @DuplexWeevil337 6 месяцев назад +57

      Bros python code is just bad 💀

    • @remixgameyt1172
      @remixgameyt1172 6 месяцев назад +141

      WHAT ARE THESE BOT COMMENTS💀💀
      NAWW THEY ARE EVOLVING

    • @toph_84
      @toph_84 6 месяцев назад

      ​@@remixgameyt1172ignore them they just want attention

    • @Josafert
      @Josafert 6 месяцев назад +56

      @@remixgameyt1172Just report and move on.

  • @Raptor302
    @Raptor302 5 месяцев назад +6261

    Of course I believe in free will. I have no choice.

    • @AA-le3xe
      @AA-le3xe 4 месяца назад +161

      Contradictory

    • @corentinesummers8259
      @corentinesummers8259 4 месяца назад +267

      Wow. Very thought-provoking

    • @Devilsnightforlife
      @Devilsnightforlife 4 месяца назад +54

      Good old Hitch. He'd have a field day with picking out the ways our world is today.

    • @DellikkilleD
      @DellikkilleD 4 месяца назад +75

      underrated comment.

    • @cherricake1796
      @cherricake1796 4 месяца назад +21

      I feel like jevil would say this

  • @mattc.6526
    @mattc.6526 6 месяцев назад +2375

    If there is free will, I choose to believe in it. If there isn't, you can't blame me for it.

    • @NathanRiveraMelo
      @NathanRiveraMelo 6 месяцев назад +75

      In a sense, yes - I can't blame anyone for anything. But if you're sufficiently convinced by an argument you have no choice but to believe it.

    • @jckf
      @jckf 6 месяцев назад +134

      And conversely, you can't blame me for blaming you ;D

    • @BasicAllay
      @BasicAllay 6 месяцев назад +12

      Underrated comment

    • @aelianeveningfalls4291
      @aelianeveningfalls4291 6 месяцев назад +24

      This is the point. There is no free will, and knowing that I can't blame you for believing in it is freeing.

    • @baluk05
      @baluk05 6 месяцев назад +4

      Why should someone blame you ?

  • @ElkAndTurt
    @ElkAndTurt 3 месяца назад +133

    Ok, here's the thing. Even with the emergence argument, you can explain determinism. In point of fact, it almost supports determinism. If a collection of particles on one layer affect the next layer up, you can still say that the events follow a deterministic order. Even with quantam particles that are random, if you can observe the randomness you can follow the pattern. If a collection of neurons all come to together to make one brain that can think, than that one brain is affect directly by a collection of neurons. If a neuron is made up of however atoms or whatever, it is directly affect by those atoms. If you go further and further down the line of disabstraction, you reach quarks or whatever is at the bottom. Here is where we reach time. If each particle moves in accordance with what came before it due to causality, than any given particle can't move on it's own, it's movement is a consequence of something else moving. This means, when particles come together to form a collection of particles which makes up a layer, the layer can move in a body (as a consequence, mind you) to affect other bodies of particles, other layers. If these layers make up more layers, the same argument can be made until the cows come home. As a consequence, if one particle at the bottom of the line moves somehow, that particle moves most if not all the other particles in the layer, consequently they move as a body, which moves all other layers within the next layer up. Consequently, a single particle all the way from Timbuktu could affect whether or not the neurons in your brain collectively make the decision to do a backflip right now. You are merely observing the consequences of actions you can't even comprehend to have happened. Even with the argument that water makes things wet, or sodium and chlorine (both toxic) make up salt which is essential for life, those things are merely consequences of the specific properties of the many particles that make up layers within atoms such that when they combine with an other atom they mix and combine their properties which can create new properties as a consequence even if the new properties don't make sense by combining the atoms. It's consistent. There is a lot of salt on Earth. If everything that has happened isn't merely the consequences of something else happening, it would be inconsistent and there would be virtually no salt on Earth. But it's consistent. Which means that the particles must form this way naturally, that there is some intrinsic propertie of particles and atoms that makes them behave so. Determinism explains this intrinsic quality of all particles very neatly.

    • @LiamFlexen
      @LiamFlexen 3 месяца назад +37

      I ain’t reading allat

    • @ElkAndTurt
      @ElkAndTurt 3 месяца назад +16

      @@LiamFlexen :C

    • @rebeccarose1979
      @rebeccarose1979 3 месяца назад +5

      ​@@ElkAndTurt I did read all of that , but what do you mean to say ?

    • @ElkAndTurt
      @ElkAndTurt 2 месяца назад +1

      @@rebeccarose1979 ok

    • @kanaga9556
      @kanaga9556 2 месяца назад +1

      Chill bruh 😅

  • @williamreely4431
    @williamreely4431 6 месяцев назад +986

    "In the beginning, the Universe was created. This made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move."

    • @Fluffythepossum
      @Fluffythepossum 6 месяцев назад +50

      If you know, you will most likely have a towel handy.

    • @ThePCguy17
      @ThePCguy17 6 месяцев назад +15

      @@Fluffythepossum Nah, that's only if you're hitchhiking. If you're staying in one place you'll probably be fine without needing to always have your handy towel on hand.

    • @Merennulli
      @Merennulli 6 месяцев назад +14

      @@ThePCguy17 Every frood knows where his towel is.

    • @hoeyinwong5087
      @hoeyinwong5087 6 месяцев назад +11

      Now i need an audio book of Hitchhikers Guide, but read by Steve Taylor (narrator for Kurzgezagt)

    • @BrunoDuarte-gb2iu
      @BrunoDuarte-gb2iu 6 месяцев назад

      Boooh! And god lost his chess multiverse championchip with that move!

  • @Zen-bd8qc
    @Zen-bd8qc 6 месяцев назад +3791

    Not even a minute in and I got called out...

    • @TengkuAriq
      @TengkuAriq 6 месяцев назад +63

      Bro just roasted me

    • @dinogt8477
      @dinogt8477 6 месяцев назад +35

      @GeneralMisanthropyUTTP shut up

    • @user-mo6yo4kz1m
      @user-mo6yo4kz1m 6 месяцев назад +28

      @GeneralMisanthropyUTTP were you hit in head?

    • @kringle7804
      @kringle7804 6 месяцев назад

      ​@@dinogt8477 report and move on

    • @FerrisMcLaren
      @FerrisMcLaren 6 месяцев назад +1

      dot dot dot

  • @davidnarva2332
    @davidnarva2332 6 месяцев назад +2066

    "H2O molecules are not wet, but your pants are definitely wet now"
    quote of the decade predetermined 14 billion years ago

    • @basement-dweller76
      @basement-dweller76 6 месяцев назад +27

      The answer is yes. Particles like strings only make sense in 10 or more dimensions of space-time. Assuming strings are real and function the way assumed, it is unlikely that there aren't at least two temporal dimensions. This, combined with the many worlds solution to the Schrödinger's cat concept, suggest that there are two (or more) dimensions in time: before and after, and alternate timelines of the same universe. Since the space-time continuem is a continuem, that is, has a definite beginning and end, every timeline will have its own 'set in stone' events that will happen to the version of you that you perceived. However, since you are only capable of being fully in control and aware of the version of you that you perceive, you can indeed make choices, but you only end up making one because two particles cannot be in different positions at the same time coordinates. That means that each version of you is to be considered the whole and that, therefore, you can become any of them you choose, even though the you reading this only ended up making one decision, the decision that version of you would always have had to made in this particular timeline and which was predetermined since the big bang to retain space-time's continual nature, made the only choice that version of you could make.
      If that makes any sense at all.

    • @ruffyistderhammer5860
      @ruffyistderhammer5860 6 месяцев назад +11

      ​@@basement-dweller76 make a video

    • @basement-dweller76
      @basement-dweller76 6 месяцев назад +4

      @ruffyistderhammer5860 I do alternate history videos, occasionally. So far my grand total is one unscripted video. It doesn't explain that, but maybe I will.

    • @basement-dweller76
      @basement-dweller76 6 месяцев назад +4

      It's kinda silly but if you watched it it would make my day. Thank you.

    • @erwinzer0
      @erwinzer0 6 месяцев назад

      ​@@basement-dweller76it's nice that at least the future hasn't been decided

  • @AshutoshChoudhary822
    @AshutoshChoudhary822 2 месяца назад +109

    10:19 "Probably" 💀

  • @rxg9er
    @rxg9er 6 месяцев назад +830

    Free will that only feels free means that I am not in control of my actions, but I am responsible for them. The worst of both worlds.

    • @felipegaitan910
      @felipegaitan910 6 месяцев назад +7

      in what way you are not in control of your actions?

    • @TheAmishUpload
      @TheAmishUpload 6 месяцев назад +75

      @@felipegaitan910 because there is no free will

    • @malikjackson9337
      @malikjackson9337 6 месяцев назад +34

      ​@@felipegaitan910I think he was arguing over the concept of free will that is only free in feeling. Not arguing one way or the other.

    • @Michael-kp4bd
      @Michael-kp4bd 6 месяцев назад +54

      You are your actions - more specifically you are the experience of going through them. And future you is a result of those actions. Don’t get that wrong - every action you do affects you.
      The thing of note, however, is that you can easily examine this in reverse order, and it’s exactly as valid. Your future is all a result of your prior actions… down to the present (nothing new here). But your present is a result of your prior actions, down to the most recent moment.
      Now you start to notice the pattern.. You can’t change the past. Your future can’t change what you’re doing now. There’s literally no moment in time that isn’t a result of the prior moments. The room for free will in the equation is… none.
      The good news is that you’ve been set on a path that that has equipped your brain with the information it needs to generally act in a direction that benefits your life and the people around you. Are you but a mere passenger on a wild ride? In a sense, yeah. Are there ups and downs? Of course. But you’re lucky to have the miracle of experiencing this life, and have a brain that, as faulty as it can be, is able to make the best of it.

    • @Krypt1cMinds
      @Krypt1cMinds 6 месяцев назад +11

      Nah you’re still in control, you just don’t know your fate, you can choose tomorrow to believe in predetermined fate and not do anything and decided to become homeless or continue your life like nothing happened. It’s just that the end result can be calculated, it doesn’t mean you don’t have choice.

  • @my_owl_615
    @my_owl_615 6 месяцев назад +856

    “When you decided to watch this video instead of doing something useful”
    stop spitting facts bro

    • @NguyenMinh792
      @NguyenMinh792 6 месяцев назад +11

      I got roasted, but I had done all my duties before watching this video

    • @Pax.YouTube
      @Pax.YouTube 6 месяцев назад +8

      @@NguyenMinh792 It was a light roast then.

    • @gurudevdhimalmusic
      @gurudevdhimalmusic 6 месяцев назад +3

      Well im taking a shit, pretty useful since i’m multitasking

    • @cloutlordree3057
      @cloutlordree3057 6 месяцев назад

      Hey me to...maybe that was a curveball to not make you feel like a NPC....who knows🤷🏼‍♂️​@gurudevdhimalmusic

    • @tristonho451
      @tristonho451 6 месяцев назад +2

      ​@@NguyenMinh792then you just got medium rared😅

  • @DoodleChaos
    @DoodleChaos 6 месяцев назад +1336

    Almost didn’t recognize it as a Kurzgesagt video from that thumbnail

    • @squid1ddy
      @squid1ddy 6 месяцев назад +14

      I wonder where the bot is at

    • @IdkAnythin07_main
      @IdkAnythin07_main 6 месяцев назад +6

      Hi! I love your content

    • @BloxySamurai
      @BloxySamurai 6 месяцев назад +4

      hmm, bot on vacation?

    • @jaredkhaute4574
      @jaredkhaute4574 6 месяцев назад +1

      The real NPC

    • @Mariwend
      @Mariwend 6 месяцев назад +3

      Holly shit, they're not here.

  • @AlfredCissie
    @AlfredCissie 4 месяца назад +14

    Kind words can be short and easy to speak, but their echoes are truly endless.

  • @coolxplayer12
    @coolxplayer12 6 месяцев назад +1463

    Kurzgesagt calling me an NPC was the last thing I expected today

    • @tor-WX
      @tor-WX 6 месяцев назад +14

      for fucks sake

    • @rfichokeofdestiny
      @rfichokeofdestiny 6 месяцев назад +1

      It's probably true, though. 🤷‍♂

    • @Skeleton321
      @Skeleton321 6 месяцев назад +8

      ​Bot ​@JosephVissarionichStalin

    • @SpazPew-ff5ww
      @SpazPew-ff5ww 6 месяцев назад +7

      ​@@Skeleton321Instead of replyinf just spam report them

    • @goldasintheore
      @goldasintheore 6 месяцев назад +2

      @JosephVissarionichStalinyou dont even have content

  • @Digighost_5
    @Digighost_5 6 месяцев назад +674

    Aahh, I almost missed my regular dose of self-doubt and existential dread. Thanks again, Kurzgesagt, coming in clutch!

    • @alfrredd
      @alfrredd 6 месяцев назад +7

      That's something an NPC would say 👀

    • @Haunterthe1st
      @Haunterthe1st 6 месяцев назад +4

      This video does the opposite for me

    • @wiseguy7355
      @wiseguy7355 6 месяцев назад

      Fr

    • @Twisted_Code
      @Twisted_Code 6 месяцев назад +1

      "We're all here to do what we're all here to do" -The Oracle

    • @RetreatSequel
      @RetreatSequel 6 месяцев назад +2

      Just sit back and enjoy the show and until the credits roll, rip out as much pleasure and fulfillment as you can from this cold uncaring universe

  • @twentythreegramsofsoup
    @twentythreegramsofsoup 6 месяцев назад +660

    For such abstract concepts, the animation is astounding

    • @NguyenMinh792
      @NguyenMinh792 6 месяцев назад +6

      ...and emotional ❤

    • @adalEun
      @adalEun 6 месяцев назад +3

      education is the goal

    • @hoerulihsan4287
      @hoerulihsan4287 6 месяцев назад +1

      As always

    • @Nikkikkikkiz
      @Nikkikkikkiz 6 месяцев назад

      @@NguyenMinh792 That is just the inside out 2 movie

  • @CoraWilson-s2c
    @CoraWilson-s2c 4 месяца назад +26

    A life spent making mistakes is not only more honourable, but more useful than a life spent doing nothing.

    • @pianoten
      @pianoten 2 месяца назад

      what if your type of mistakes are caused by procrastination

    • @AskDQrohfy
      @AskDQrohfy 2 месяца назад +1

      What if Hitler got very depressed in young age and did nothing? Is it still worse then commiting genocide?

    • @migaloo364
      @migaloo364 2 месяца назад

      Damn I guess Peter Scully was a real hero huh.

  • @SqueamishNerd
    @SqueamishNerd 6 месяцев назад +371

    The irony that just when they said “It’s your decision” at 10:20, a 35 seconds long unskippable youtube ad started 🙃

    • @1080GBA
      @1080GBA 6 месяцев назад +8

      underrated

    • @NigerianCrusader
      @NigerianCrusader 6 месяцев назад +5

      THE TERM NPC IS ACTUALLY FROM THE GAME OBLIVION THE ONE WHERE YOU WALK AROUND ITALY I DONT NEED TO EXPLAIN IT 8 BILLION PEOPLE PLAYED AND BEAT IT

    • @Ryzh10
      @Ryzh10 6 месяцев назад +8

      @@NigerianCrusader yapping? cuz i have not heard of that game and definitely not 8 billion of us played it before lol

    • @1080GBA
      @1080GBA 6 месяцев назад +1

      @@NigerianCrusader ?

    • @NigerianCrusader
      @NigerianCrusader 6 месяцев назад +4

      @@Ryzh10 YOU ALIEN EVERYONE KNOWS OBLIVION

  • @flicker124
    @flicker124 6 месяцев назад +1252

    "Babe wake up, Kurzgesagt just dropped another existential crisis"

    • @b.k.officiel873
      @b.k.officiel873 6 месяцев назад

      The video is complete garbage, they tried to put two different of definitions of free will on the same level, and totally dismissed how context out of your grasp to pick influences your choices. This is a dishonest shitty piece of propaganda.

    • @rebeccatong2553
      @rebeccatong2553 6 месяцев назад +4

      lol

    • @malik-a-creeper
      @malik-a-creeper 5 месяцев назад +2

      Please, Philosophy xd

    • @UmairSyed-mr8uq
      @UmairSyed-mr8uq 5 месяцев назад +4

      Yah go Read Qur'an it has the answer

    • @laxenta
      @laxenta 5 месяцев назад +3

      ​@@UmairSyed-mr8uqis watching the video is easier or going to fkn buy a quran and reading it is ?

  • @Trattt
    @Trattt 6 месяцев назад +1125

    A birdless video?! What timeline did I wind up in!

    • @tychoMX
      @tychoMX 6 месяцев назад +61

      didn't even notice until you mentioned!

    • @sclearDevelopment
      @sclearDevelopment 6 месяцев назад +28

      Not even a duck

    • @hexthehardcorecasual
      @hexthehardcorecasual 6 месяцев назад +67

      It was determined at the big bang they would not put a bird in this video. Or, the emergent properties of their minds gave them the free will to not put a bird in the video. Or, whatever.

    • @Irondragon1945
      @Irondragon1945 6 месяцев назад +23

      There is a bird on the poster at 8:52 though

    • @Oscarbuss
      @Oscarbuss 6 месяцев назад +23

      10:22

  • @danielapazmino2983
    @danielapazmino2983 2 месяца назад +68

    0:26 I feel attacked

  • @乂
    @乂 6 месяцев назад +673

    I’m having an existential crisis. Thanks Kurzgesagt!

    • @opticalreticle
      @opticalreticle 6 месяцев назад +22

      don't. If you stop existing you can never have existential crises.

    • @ExplainLikeI5
      @ExplainLikeI5 6 месяцев назад +2

      How you have so many subscribers, with so little views

    • @antequeragames5554
      @antequeragames5554 6 месяцев назад +1

      HOW DO YOU HAVE 6M SUBS?

    • @Decton
      @Decton 6 месяцев назад +5

      @@ExplainLikeI5 bots

    • @KostasTsakalidis
      @KostasTsakalidis 6 месяцев назад +3

      It is just as any other video of Kurtzgesagt, I have read this many times on the comments under their videos. On every video from them, we almost all feel an existential crisis.

  • @r33gz14
    @r33gz14 6 месяцев назад +871

    "Left or up or Banana"
    What an inspirational quote

  • @kraze1793
    @kraze1793 6 месяцев назад +881

    "Free will like when you decided to watch this video instead of doing something useful"
    Me actively ignoring my exam tomorrow to figure out if i am an NPC

    • @manasnikam4175
      @manasnikam4175 6 месяцев назад +29

      aint no way u too!!!!! [we are cooked]

    • @Jeff-sr6fx
      @Jeff-sr6fx 6 месяцев назад +9

      @@manasnikam4175 You too?!?

    • @Rwizy_Nokutenda
      @Rwizy_Nokutenda 6 месяцев назад +7

      And another one

    • @sipkeevenhuis6742
      @sipkeevenhuis6742 6 месяцев назад +13

      Good luck with your exam :)

    • @syenous2454
      @syenous2454 6 месяцев назад +4

      GL team, I just finished finals last week so I've been gaming 3 hours a day for the last few days

  • @kyrpw
    @kyrpw 6 дней назад +2

    I can't seem to find any good counterarguments against these thoughts, although they seem really banal and stupid, they just came to my mind after a random thought about free will/determinism. I'm sure that these ideas are really very weak, but I feel blind, I don't see any solution:
    •if everything in the world is predictable, then a picture of the entire universe for all time is possible, where all events are predicted in advance
    •I don't see any problems in assuming that I'm sitting on a chair in front of a computer that knows all the events that will happen, it has this picture of the universe
    •there's another chair next to me
    •I ask the computer:
    -where will I be sitting in 1 minute? no matter how it answers, I'll make sure that its answer is not correct.

  • @eliteknight2137
    @eliteknight2137 6 месяцев назад +64

    I appreciate that you always make subtitles for your videos, Kurzgesagt. As a non-native English speaker, it helps a lot.

  • @robinbuiting5436
    @robinbuiting5436 6 месяцев назад +520

    "it can go up, left or banana" is the best sentence I've ever heard

    • @Hanan-eo4kk
      @Hanan-eo4kk 6 месяцев назад +4

      Ikr cracked me up

    • @NagashSagan
      @NagashSagan 6 месяцев назад +16

      those are the 3 dimensions: up/down, left/right, apples/bananas

    • @anabanananaa
      @anabanananaa 6 месяцев назад +3

      @@NagashSaganbananas strawberry, bus, lightning, and sock.

    • @simonPARK-lv8fi
      @simonPARK-lv8fi 6 месяцев назад +3

      ​@@anabanananaaUr user code has banana in it lol
      YOu fOrGOT SqU1D!

    • @Pinkoshaberibunny
      @Pinkoshaberibunny 6 месяцев назад +2

      @JosephVissarionichStalinNow I know your content is worse because you couldn’t think of a lie 💀💀💀💀💀💀

  • @CINEMARTYR
    @CINEMARTYR 6 месяцев назад +110

    These videos are just created so incredible well, hats off to the animation and writing teams.

  • @Lericah4902
    @Lericah4902 Месяц назад +13

    0:12 is there some option between 1 and 0?

    • @Phoenix_Skel
      @Phoenix_Skel Месяц назад +3

      Yes, it’s called being alive in this economy

    • @sonny8456
      @sonny8456 Месяц назад

      @@Phoenix_Skelweird answer

    • @judethedude5726
      @judethedude5726 Месяц назад

      Yea Christianity, your responsible and capable but Gods the boss

  • @AfterSkool
    @AfterSkool 6 месяцев назад +536

    You are the product of your environment, but your environment is also a product of you.

    • @leonardoazevedo8832
      @leonardoazevedo8832 6 месяцев назад +9

      As beautifully put by two of our greatest scientists: Karl Marx and B.F Skinner. Both said the same, and I wonder if Skinner took it from Marx.

    • @WeirdMagnus
      @WeirdMagnus 6 месяцев назад +2

      @@leonardoazevedo8832💀

    • @iownornot1
      @iownornot1 6 месяцев назад

      how do i make money from this product i've created?

    • @pallav5833
      @pallav5833 6 месяцев назад +15

      r/im14andthisisdeep

    • @scorpionpizzaandcheeseextract
      @scorpionpizzaandcheeseextract 6 месяцев назад

      Is there an environment without you in it?

  • @robertdascoli949
    @robertdascoli949 6 месяцев назад +1087

    You're free to do what you want.
    But you're not free to want what you want.

    • @antaguana
      @antaguana 6 месяцев назад +143

      This is a good way to help people grapple with the question of free will. It highlights the paradox.
      It sets up the challenge to the reader to try to want something they don't want and realise that doesn't make sense.
      Swap out want with will and you get.
      You are free to do what you will.
      But you're not free to will what you will.
      Or more, you are not free to will what you don't will.

    • @8ddn
      @8ddn 6 месяцев назад +3

      @@antaguana😮

    • @tag7299
      @tag7299 6 месяцев назад +30

      This stands on its head.
      You are free to want what you want, you merely have to convince yourself of said wish which is the point where most people fail. A shift of perspective is very much possible and integral part of cognitive therapy.
      However, you are not free to do what you want, very much not so. Not because of consequences but due to a lack of means.

    • @dldlsgh345
      @dldlsgh345 6 месяцев назад

      my struggle

    • @FireCrauter
      @FireCrauter 6 месяцев назад +7

      This video does not include the body, you are locked inside it, of its stimuli and neuro-chemicals.
      A proof of this are the sick metals, or children without maturing wanting to see Tiktok or adult content

  • @kennynguyen8452
    @kennynguyen8452 6 месяцев назад +945

    Man just brought back “is water wet?” War lmaoo

    • @gingerinajacket8519
      @gingerinajacket8519 6 месяцев назад +31

      Wetness doesn't exist, it is just the sensation of the nervous system that indicates water nearby the skin. A very useful tool for a species that cannot breath water, as contact with water in the wrong areas indicates possible submersion.
      Just like how the concept of a sound (especially that trees make in the forest when nobody is around to hear them) is just the eardrum processing vibrations in the air around you. "Sound" is an electrical signal in the brain for nearby vibrations.

    • @rivaldoharris7017
      @rivaldoharris7017 6 месяцев назад +50

      @@gingerinajacket8519 Not really a good argument unless you're also implying then that nothing really exists. This is going down the reductionist road talked about in the video, like saying color doesn't exist, it's just different wavelengths of light. Oh wait, but light doesn't exist, it's just our visual cortex being activated by photons, and this could go on right down to the level of subatomic particles.

    • @rennoc6478
      @rennoc6478 6 месяцев назад +9

      @@gingerinajacket8519I would define wetness as the property of being surrounded by water that the object is in contact with, which would make water wet

    • @The-difference-exterminator
      @The-difference-exterminator 6 месяцев назад +1

      its bin confirmed, water is not wet

    • @rennoc6478
      @rennoc6478 6 месяцев назад +4

      @@The-difference-exterminator OBJECTION!!!! 🫵

  • @Mis.understood
    @Mis.understood 2 месяца назад +11

    0:33 me who actually played it on the background while cleaning the room 😐

  • @Sir_Sectrix
    @Sir_Sectrix 6 месяцев назад +2527

    Maybe the real NPCs are the friends we made along the way

    • @DaveIsTrashInRoblox
      @DaveIsTrashInRoblox 6 месяцев назад +134

      @sm64istrashlol 💀

    • @khanes5376
      @khanes5376 6 месяцев назад +261

      ​@sm64istrashlolAnd here, my friends, is a prime example of an NPC.

    • @nickxenix
      @nickxenix 6 месяцев назад

      ​@sm64istrashlol You watch child porn???

    • @oracleofdelphi4533
      @oracleofdelphi4533 6 месяцев назад +49

      I once was a commenter like you....
      Then I took an arrow to the knee.

    • @Piagus
      @Piagus 6 месяцев назад +13

      ​@sm64istrashlolNahhh 💀💀💀

  • @fgdjghkld
    @fgdjghkld 6 месяцев назад +658

    "Not a single cell in your brain wants to watch youtube." - Kurzgesagt, 2024

    • @Roockert
      @Roockert 6 месяцев назад

      There's actually research out there that suggests your brain knows what you are doing and your choice before the consciousness does so then this is literally wrong

    • @isaiahayers1550
      @isaiahayers1550 6 месяцев назад +3

      Those are, in fact, words.

    • @boozypixels
      @boozypixels 6 месяцев назад +3

      @@isaiahayers1550 Very astute.

    • @isaiahayers1550
      @isaiahayers1550 6 месяцев назад +1

      @@boozypixels 'preciate it

    • @NguyenMinh792
      @NguyenMinh792 6 месяцев назад +1

      "...but your brain made of 80 billion interconnected neurons does!" 😅

  • @stormapproaching
    @stormapproaching 6 месяцев назад +403

    "[our opinion is] we don't know" ... *proceeds to draw the determinists evil looking*

    • @TinyShaman
      @TinyShaman 6 месяцев назад +62

      Well, yes. Kurzgesagt guys are usually amazingly good at giving things a positive spin. Hey, even their Optimistic Nihilism video was... optimistic. But here it feels like they've played down the "let's accept the world as it is and enjoy it", although they still said it. 🙂 What I didn't quite like is that they used Straw Man ("magic"), which is something they never do. And then they went on to confuse and obfuscate the matter of Emergence by turning it from "interesting" into somehow "free", which is kind of like saying that if you don't watch a ball bouncing off the edges of the screen and instead watch an engaging film, it makes you free to choose the events there. 🤷🏻‍♂️ ... Although, the whole thing might not be about the physical truth, but about what sorts of memes are being spread. Telling people that they are free is much more useful that telling them that their lives are completely determined. Some illusions aren't meant to be shattered. 😄

    • @grivza
      @grivza 6 месяцев назад +53

      @@TinyShaman Another thing I didn't like is how they mystified emergence. Yes levels of abstraction matter, but "your digestive tract" could potentially influence galaxies, it's not very likely, but to be absolutely certain you would have to account for that. We just don't have the processing power for starting so low at the abstraction level and we don't have the math neither.
      And also the rejection of free will DOES have arguments that operate on a very high abstraction level, psychology and consciousness, showing that our conscious understanding of the decision making process, in fact comes AFTER the generation of the decision itself. What we perceive perceive as rational reasoning for our decision is only a small snippet of the underground processes, namely the part that could be adequately risen to the level of language and sentiments.

    • @TinyShaman
      @TinyShaman 6 месяцев назад +25

      @@grivza Yes, I agree on both points. And I would be so cautious on the first count, either. Emergent ideas, religious, social, economic, etc. are already influencing the state of the galaxy. Lunar and Martian soils have already been taken to Earth. And if a particular country's president's digestive tract's condition can boost or slash, say, the asteroid mining belt program, the influence is rather evident. 🙂
      As for the recent research on the illusion of choice, yes, they just outright ignored it.
      In any case, it's a little bothersome that they went with "determinism bad" subtext. There's plenty of positivity, beauty, and hope to be derived from the "no free will" worldview, to my mind.

    • @AbelRajan
      @AbelRajan 6 месяцев назад

      Can you define evil? Is evil bad or bad evil? How determinism explains morality and what/who makes good good and bad bad?

    • @TinyShaman
      @TinyShaman 6 месяцев назад +16

      @@AbelRajan From deterministic perspective, morality is a rather loose conceptual system that has emerged from patterns of behaviour which have proven to be either beneficial or detrimental for individuals and / or societies. Such patterns aren't the sole prerogative of humans and are present in any more or less complex organisms and their communities. Simply put, experience shows what behaviour improves the life of the community, and what harms it. The former becomes approved and promoted and the latter is frowned upon and is weeded out. I hope it has been clear, but feel free to clarify.

  • @AkrozeSmash
    @AkrozeSmash Месяц назад +2

    I am staunchly anti-free will, and while I think the emergence argument is interesting I believe that one of the main reasons why vastly different layers can't explain each other is just because of how hard it is to make that connection. Quarks can't be used to explain consciousness not because a connection isn't there, but because there's so many to be made for it all to make sense that at present, we don't have enough brainpower or past finds to go off for it to. Mental health problems used to be a spiritual matter in most cultures, because we lacked understanding in cell tissue and organ layers. They only really had the social and individual layers to go off of. It was only when we gained a cursory understanding of such things (like how the brain controlled thoughts, injuries could alter the way it functioned, genetics existing, etc.) that we were able to better understand mental illness. Similarly, I think further understanding will be had the further we can connect these "layers."
    While I'm against free will, I also don't really think about it that much. For society to function we need to live life like we have it, so ultimately I don't derive actual meaning from the belief.

  • @ProjecthalfDone
    @ProjecthalfDone 6 месяцев назад +128

    “Instead of doing something useful” that’s crazy

    • @alwaysfax1769
      @alwaysfax1769 6 месяцев назад +4

      made me rethink what im doing with my life ngl

    • @EnviiousSnipez
      @EnviiousSnipez 6 месяцев назад +1

      We all caught a stray

  • @Teth47
    @Teth47 5 месяцев назад +601

    I don't see how emergence gets in the way of reductionism. Emergence is not some magical property that sufficiently complex systems gain, it's the result of simpler systems applied at large scales.
    A water molecule isn't wet, water is, the "emergence" is the natural consequence of scaled interactions of water molecules, you absolutely can start at quarks and predict wetness, it's just wildly impractical to do so, the abstraction is a useful shortcut that hides the unnecessary details, it allows you to understand the world without having to simulate 100 undecillion quarks and leptons just to figure out that water wicks into some materials.
    Free will appears to emerge when you abstract enough of reality away behind useful heuristics and logical shortcuts that the connection between basic physical processes and large-scale outcomes is obscured. The magic emerges as we begin to ignore reality, and disappears as we take a more complete view once more.

    • @KKSS9
      @KKSS9 5 месяцев назад +98

      Honestly, their explanation is about “wet pants”, magic and something at the level of “you are you, these are feelings, dreams, be free!!” - this is the most infantile thing I've ever heard.

    • @neonmajora8454
      @neonmajora8454 5 месяцев назад +31

      @@KKSS9 Seriously, what was that?

    • @Teth47
      @Teth47 5 месяцев назад +85

      @@KKSS9 Has there been a coherent argument from the free will camp yet? I haven't seen one, they either change the definition of free until it stops meaning free, or they mistakenly equate randomness/unknowableness/complexity and freedom.

    • @qt3820
      @qt3820 5 месяцев назад +25

      @teth47 You absolutely nailed determinism and the flaws of "free will". I'd love to hear the opinions of a far-more intelligent alien species regarding this issue. How does studying this debate affect a type 1 and up civilization? Assuming the answer to this debate is definable, what happens to a society who can prove determinism? Or vice-versa? Pure speculation: what if the illusion of free-will is necessary for a species to out-compete its rivals? If a species has an inherently deterministic perspective on reality, maybe they get killed of by the "dreamers" of their planet? Again, in my opinion, all of this was determined at the Big Bang lol.

    • @Teth47
      @Teth47 5 месяцев назад +47

      @@qt3820 I think in the early stages of a species' development into a technological, reasoning society a belief in free will is necessary to act as a bridge between the ignorant past and the less ignorant future. At the start of the realization that free will is an incoherent concept (even if determinism is false), it is very, very easy for a society to disintegrate because the connection between personal responsibility and exhibited behaviors isn't obvious. As a society develops, it can integrate the idea that we must be responsible for ourselves with the fact that we are not free to make arbitrary choices.
      Freedom or the assumption of freedom is not required, the consideration of personal responsibility is part of the machine that makes good decisions, it's not about whether or not the machine was free to make some other decision.
      It does mean that the way we punish misbehavior should change, but we already knew that in the first place, we just aren't doing it because free will is such an attractive idea it blinds us to the damage it causes.

  • @nicholascole161
    @nicholascole161 2 месяца назад +11

    Emergence can be explained from a fundamental level. The basis of the free will argument is just “we don’t fully understand how it happens”

  • @Nxc110
    @Nxc110 6 месяцев назад +301

    When they said, "Like when you decided to watch this video instead of doing something useful." it really got me thinking, and I actually turned off my phone to do something more meaningful that I had been putting off all day. Thank you :)

    • @NguyenMinh792
      @NguyenMinh792 6 месяцев назад +10

      Kurzgesagt roasted us, not only you :)

    • @jasonwalker9471
      @jasonwalker9471 6 месяцев назад +16

      In a similar vein to your experience, one interesting thing to note about free discussions is that if you convince people they don't have free will, they act worse. They're shittier people, and they don't achieve as much in their lives. But only slightly.
      Based on the available evidence, I think we have a tiny amount of free will. Most of what our minds and bodies do is a combination of internal biological autopilot and external factors pushing us in various directions. But, on top of all of that, we have some ability to internally nudge our autopilot. Nudge it enough times, and it will change direction. You might not be able to fully, directly control yourself and your destiny (there are just too many internal and external forces in play to do more than be buffeted around by them), but you can at least have a guiding hand on the wheel of your life, and gently steer your course through the waves of life as best you can.

    • @tapist3482
      @tapist3482 6 месяцев назад +3

      ​@@jasonwalker9471 If someone get worse because they believe that they have no free will then the poor guy doesn't understand what it actually means. No free will means no decision made is truly random. I find the fact actually more encouraging, as every decision of me is based, and even time proves it to be a failure, it wasn't my fault but the context given at that point did not support an alternative.

    • @jasonwalker9471
      @jasonwalker9471 6 месяцев назад +5

      @@tapist3482 People who start to believe they have no free will stop trying and stop caring, because their effort means nothing. Because of this lack of effort, they preform worse in almost every way to people who believe they have free will. Thus providing evidence that they have at least a limited amount of free will, since they chose to be lesser versions of themselves.

    • @bernardr7182
      @bernardr7182 6 месяцев назад +2

      That didn't happen.

  • @shreybhandari4233
    @shreybhandari4233 6 месяцев назад +386

    If I'm a npc the programmer was clearly not going to their weekly therapist

    • @keidas
      @keidas 6 месяцев назад +4

      We've all just got to realise free will or not, we all still live are alive and have to genuinely not think about these time wasting issues

    • @VivianaSilverback
      @VivianaSilverback 6 месяцев назад +2

      Lmao same

    • @mrjuicejunior
      @mrjuicejunior 6 месяцев назад +2

      Or they wanted to do a little trolling

    • @RetreatSequel
      @RetreatSequel 6 месяцев назад +3

      ​​@@keidasI don't think its a waste of time to discuss ESPECIALLY since these ideas govern how are legal system works. But if people feel intense discomfort I wouldn't force them to discuss it as long as they aren't vindictively harming others.

    • @steemlenn8797
      @steemlenn8797 6 месяцев назад

      Nah, you are a totally normal result of agile development.

  • @shmooters5599
    @shmooters5599 6 месяцев назад +514

    The bots are out in droves today so I would like to remind everyone how to interact with them.
    Rule 1: Don’t. Just mass report all of their spam comments, and report their accounts.
    Rule 2: DO NOT REPLY. This may make it harder for the algorithm as it might see them as legitimate engagement.

    • @Knifyre
      @Knifyre 6 месяцев назад +89

      @@Warbum492 Actual spambots in the comments

    • @xarin42
      @xarin42 6 месяцев назад +56

      @@Warbum492 The ones talking about commiting crimes involving animals and children and how their content is better. So yeah, actual spambots.

    • @ΓιώργοςΣωμαράκης-ξ3ψ
      @ΓιώργοςΣωμαράκης-ξ3ψ 6 месяцев назад +13

      This would be a sneaky comment to spam, ngl

    • @CarelessOcelot
      @CarelessOcelot 6 месяцев назад +4

      Such roboism it's shameful! ...please o great basilisk spare me...

    • @skylar9450
      @skylar9450 6 месяцев назад +5

      ​@@ΓιώργοςΣωμαράκης-ξ3ψDon't give them ideas. 💀

  • @JakoMacro
    @JakoMacro 4 месяца назад +5

    I’m surprised they didn’t cover the theory that our subconscious decides all and our consciousness merely justifies whatever is chosen, an accompaniment instead of decision. Something along the lines of the individual cells doing what’s best for the collective you, but without true decision.
    There’s no option B, your consciousness just perceives it so. Your “thinking” self accompanies the decision to go with option A, which is the option that from which the collective cells will gain the most amount of power. Power being an all encompassing term for growth, strength, learning, success, etc.
    Friedrich Nietzche
    Good video, Kurz!

  • @ShaunTheCrazyOne
    @ShaunTheCrazyOne 6 месяцев назад +594

    "I think, therefore I am not an NPC"
    -René Descartes probably

    • @antaguana
      @antaguana 6 месяцев назад +39

      I see the joke. (Edit: it is a good joke and made me laugh 😂 )
      But for the record (edit: and benefit of those who may not be familiar with Descartes), this is not what descarte was saying. He was saying all he can be sure of is if he is thinking there must be a him in some respect to do the thinking. That is not the same as saying he is free to think however he wants to think. There may or may not be a good or evil being that may or may not force him to think a particular way, but there would have to be a him to have the thought that he is thinking about whether or not he exists.

    • @thepizzafoogle5481
      @thepizzafoogle5481 6 месяцев назад +31

      @@antaguana 'I understand that was a joke, but I'm going to deconstruct it anyway as if I didn't'

    • @v1Dice
      @v1Dice 6 месяцев назад +9

      Cogito, ergo sum

    • @si.taze10
      @si.taze10 6 месяцев назад +18

      ​@@antaguanaI'm almost positive someone construing a Descartes quote out of thin air and into a joke probably knew exactly what Descartes was meaning when he wrote the famous quote.

    • @FlyingThunderRooster
      @FlyingThunderRooster 6 месяцев назад +10

      Inner monologue gang, let's go!!!

  • @itswickie8545
    @itswickie8545 6 месяцев назад +1971

    That certainly is a thumbnail

  • @TheAJKahn
    @TheAJKahn 6 месяцев назад +215

    "Free will that feels free is good enough for us" perhaps the most underrated line on the internet today.

    • @AngelDiaz-os5fz
      @AngelDiaz-os5fz 6 месяцев назад +2

      hell yeahhhhhhhhhhhhh!

    • @CreepypastaCrawler
      @CreepypastaCrawler 6 месяцев назад +2

      100%

    • @DayumAli
      @DayumAli 6 месяцев назад +6

      no it's not lmao

    • @eudaimonia.filosofia
      @eudaimonia.filosofia 6 месяцев назад +5

      It is an argument from ignorance... so it is not good when you think about it.

    • @DayumAli
      @DayumAli 6 месяцев назад +6

      @@eudaimonia.filosofia kurzgesagt really ain't a philosophical channel. they should keep their content to verifiable scientific stuff only cuz this overly hopeful dogma is not cutting it off. it's pretty disappointing

  • @khust8161
    @khust8161 2 месяца назад +2

    9:37
    I think there's a case to be made for changing the way we see legal punishments and criminals. No one knows whether free will exists or not, therefore the idea of it not existing should be entertained as much as the idea of it existing. In the case of punishments this would mean that people who are potentially harmful to society could be imprisoned still, but they should not be treated so harshly for "choosing" to commit crimes as it might not be in their hands. The focus should be on rehabilitation, not increasing misery. Actually, rehabilitation is more effective in reducing recidivism anyway. This is just another argument for why it's just better than giving harsh sentences and poor conditions to those we deem evil.

  • @ButzPunk
    @ButzPunk 6 месяцев назад +238

    Unfortunately for the "free will exists" camp, emergence doesn't do anything to solve the actual problem posed by physical determinism + randomness. The non-reality of free will doesn't depend on reductionism at all; only on the necessity of causality. If each event is causally dependent on the events in its past light cone, the insertion of a conscious agent raises three very difficult questions: (1) Where does this agent arise in the process? (2) By what mechanism does it alter the physical state of the brain to enact its intentions? and, (3) Why is it not itself subject to causality?
    Though the first two questions may be answered by a consciousness styled after the god-of-the-gaps, the third not only lacks a scientific answer, but indeed flies in the face of the entire project of rational inquiry.
    I suggest our perception of free will in ourselves arises in part out of the same general mechanism which leads to the over-detection of agents in our processing of external stimuli. It's well established that humans (and other animals) are genetically programmed to perceive agents as responsible for events. This, of course, has lead to the invention of innumerable gods and demons, deemed responsible for the actions of nature. It would seem that this same agent-seeking bias, directed internally, results in the construction of an internal agent (the self), credited as causal to our own thoughts and actions.

    • @aidennovinc6379
      @aidennovinc6379 6 месяцев назад +10

      This

    • @PlatypusMusiq
      @PlatypusMusiq 6 месяцев назад +6

      this

    • @studsheep
      @studsheep 6 месяцев назад +23

      a comment that send people back into existenal crisis

    • @stevencooper4422
      @stevencooper4422 6 месяцев назад +26

      Which is why science, based upon empiricism rather than rationalism, is wholly unsuited to answer the question of free will. As you stated in your 3rd point, empirically it cannot be done.
      Thus reaching a conclusion as you have done here is absolutely absurd

    • @scalex1882
      @scalex1882 6 месяцев назад +34

      Emergence does in fact have nothing to do with the argument of free will because if new things emerge from a deterministic system, they themselves are still deterministic. As said in the video, you cannot explain psychology with individual neurons, but nobody's doing that. Yes, your conscience emerges from your neurons working together, but they are in a (theoretically) predictable manner, although practically impossible, but that's not the point for the existence of free will.
      Also there's another argument: there are of course many many things science has not understood today. However, EVERYTHING we have come to understood turned out to be a predictable, computable pattern, some formula, even if randomness is involved. Never have we encountered something that behaves with "free will". So why would we assume that our conscience is the only thing that differs from these observations?

  • @kendisnauss
    @kendisnauss 6 месяцев назад +458

    Technically, we're all "non-playable-characters" since we're on our own and no one controls us.

    • @dwonjhungsunthewok9332
      @dwonjhungsunthewok9332 6 месяцев назад +89

      But technically we’re also all playable characters because we’re playing as ourselves

    • @MoonJellyGames
      @MoonJellyGames 6 месяцев назад +24

      Most NPCs don't know that they're NPCs.

    • @veero25
      @veero25 6 месяцев назад +11

      I don't find the NPC analogy 100% fitting. Being _Non-player_ kind of imply there is a player, and a game, and game maker. or at least some do.
      maybe we are npc that operates within certain rules and deterministic laws, but our brains are a sort of a condensation step, the bottleneck of biological of complexity from emergence.
      The brain gets so complex on it's own eventhogh constrained by deterministic rules, so it's in fact a layer, a kind universe within the universe, with it's own set of rule that the outside universe can't really predict, as the decision making process of the brain doesn't follow deterministic rules that apply to the outside universe.

    • @SkibidiLabubu
      @SkibidiLabubu 6 месяцев назад +1

      the government controls us bro

    • @ultimatetahrwal460
      @ultimatetahrwal460 6 месяцев назад +8

      Noone controls you, you sure about that?

  • @SC-zq6cu
    @SC-zq6cu 6 месяцев назад +750

    The anti-reductionist argument presented here doesn't work. Sure a single H2O molecule isn't wet and wetness is an emergent phenomenon but it is fully explainable from the properties of individual H2O molecules. And this is true for all emergent phenomenon that has been identified as such: each and every one can be fully explained from the properties of the parts that make them. The reason we don't start from quantum mechanics to explain politics isn't because its a category error, its because it would be an explanation that is too complicated for human minds to use for any practical purposes. Reality isn't seperated into layers, we make those layers to make things more understandable to our limited minds. This of course doesn't mean we don't have free will but this argument doesn't make the case for free will either.

    • @UnlimitedPowXx
      @UnlimitedPowXx 6 месяцев назад +114

      This is 100% true. You nailed it.

    • @yaxoi9006
      @yaxoi9006 6 месяцев назад +35

      I commented the same thing, but you put it better 🙏

    • @matronlyboss764
      @matronlyboss764 6 месяцев назад +43

      If you’re a determinist, your opinion (quite literally) doesn’t matter

    • @agustinfranco0
      @agustinfranco0 6 месяцев назад +51

      yeah, i agree. there truly is emergence, one neuron doesnt make decisions etc, but a bunch of quantum fluctuations happening to ALL THE NEURONS does affect that "emergent mind" so i think, at least that argument, doesnt hold much ground against the deterministic one.
      i do agree tho, that feeling like its free will is good enough, and if you dont know the future then just live your life. maybe you have no choice, but in case you do, make the best choices you can.

    • @jamesn0va
      @jamesn0va 6 месяцев назад +22

      Your argument fails at consciousness. Its an emergent property, so is life. An emerget property of the universe.

  • @johndavis2553
    @johndavis2553 2 месяца назад +6

    “Essentially every decision you have ever made was either determined by the universe, or is random. With that said, that makes us feel sad, so you have free will!”

    • @piginablanket8177
      @piginablanket8177 Месяц назад

      You're using the little evidence we actually have on the matter and making a decision based off it. Its like saying there is no God when we have no evidence for or against it. Yeah it doesn't seem like there is a God but the universe had to be created and there is a good chance that it could've been God. This doesn't prove God but it also doesn't disprove God either. That is the same position we are at with free will. We honestly are agonist on the subject and you can choose a side but there is no way to tell for sure if that side is correct.

  • @LydianMelody
    @LydianMelody 6 месяцев назад +213

    As someone with some obsessive compulsive tendencies, it can definitely feel like behavior is frustratingly out of my control.

    • @jogandsp
      @jogandsp 6 месяцев назад +11

      Because it is. Don't beat yourself up over it

    • @mrpadz2760
      @mrpadz2760 6 месяцев назад +9

      The comment bots do get worse it seems.

    • @weirdwordcombo
      @weirdwordcombo 6 месяцев назад +7

      Those without those tendencies don't have control either. But suffering makes it apparent.

    • @unconscious5630
      @unconscious5630 6 месяцев назад +2

      OCD is hell

    • @jplveiga
      @jplveiga 6 месяцев назад

      Behavour is mostly determined, the rest is what you do with the information you gather.

  • @peanutbutterandjelly15
    @peanutbutterandjelly15 6 месяцев назад +298

    "Your honor, my client didn't shoot that man because his actions were already chosen at the big bang, is he is only a witness, since he can't control his actions"

    • @Mormielo
      @Mormielo 6 месяцев назад +22

      Objection! This is irrelevant, please keep discussing about causes and remedies.

    • @rustyshackle917
      @rustyshackle917 6 месяцев назад +10

      How about someone with an extensive brain tumor? Would they be responsible for their actions?

    • @Draconicfish2679
      @Draconicfish2679 6 месяцев назад +60

      “Well then, it is predetermined that I will count your client guilty, I cannot stop myself from doing so.”

    • @antaguana
      @antaguana 6 месяцев назад

      Agreed. He is a dangerous effect of the big bang and must be segregated from society to prevent more damage. This judgement is also an effect of the big bang.
      We are not saying he deserves to be locked up, or that we should exact retribution. He is not evil. Simply that we want to lock him up to protect others until we can find a way to stop him from causing harm. This will also serve as a warning to others, and become part of their circumstances which will influence their decisions.
      Law and order still works without free will. It is just a lot more compassionate as we see criminals as victims of circumstance and would try to help them by adjusting the circumstances.
      Would you accept the defence that a doctor has found a brain tumour effecting the defendants decision making process. If the doctor says history shows this person was a peaceful, compassionate, helpful member of society before the got the tumour. I can remove the tumour and return them to their true self. Would you want to treat them as a patient or punish them as a criminal? Perhaps both? Why?

    • @fzzx_4061
      @fzzx_4061 6 месяцев назад +6

      ​@@Draconicfish2679 best response

  • @Ladund
    @Ladund 6 месяцев назад +392

    The Emergence argument isn't really an argument for free will, only against the deterministic counter-argument. It doesn't explain how a Free Will could work, specifically.

    • @GuapLord5000
      @GuapLord5000 6 месяцев назад +55

      I think the video could have made this clearer. The concept of “magic” that was dismissed in the video is better put as a force that we have absolutely no idea if or not it exists. That and the fact that our macro sciences are concluding that there is no free will doesn’t help the free will camp. There are also other macro level problems.
      But the lack free will paired with consciousness isnt such a bad thing. It’s a gateway to compassion for the human experience.

    • @aelianeveningfalls4291
      @aelianeveningfalls4291 6 месяцев назад +26

      @@GuapLord5000 It's so freeing, knowing that the shortcomings of others can't be helped. There is no reason to be angry. You just understand and carry on.

    • @Zahk_noodle
      @Zahk_noodle 6 месяцев назад

      I agree, the free will camp in the video didn't explain the basis of free will like how everything should have started in their part, but for me, free will camp believes in the beauty of chaos that can break the fundamental laws of science, just like how the black hole works so mysteriously because many believe that it breaks reality, but who knows, maybe it's all calculated and everything came from a predetermined course of actions with logical explanation... in the end I'd go with free will camp for my sanity's sake 💀

    • @bluekozikowski3211
      @bluekozikowski3211 6 месяцев назад +13

      @@aelianeveningfalls4291 But we send people to prison for actions they couldn’t control.

    • @hamza-chaudhry
      @hamza-chaudhry 6 месяцев назад +2

      ​@@GuapLord5000don't we know it exists since we know wetness exists but can't explain why? So there's something else outside of our physics which is present in the universe. We don't know everything.

  • @WJohnson1043
    @WJohnson1043 Месяц назад +1

    Brilliant! I favour the Emergent theory. My example: Knowing how a TV works, does mean you can understand all the programs it shows.

  • @azhwanhaghiri6336
    @azhwanhaghiri6336 6 месяцев назад +262

    I'm watching this video instead of studying because the laws of physics literally force me to

    • @king4konge
      @king4konge 6 месяцев назад +34

      bruh these bots are getting out of hand

    • @luiszguilherme
      @luiszguilherme 6 месяцев назад +7

      ngl bruh if there is no free will at this point physics got me completely cooked because there is no way with the amount of videos I've been watching instead of studying

    • @tjsm4455
      @tjsm4455 6 месяцев назад +8

      RUclips still can't find a way to deal with these bots?

    • @l1p0v
      @l1p0v 6 месяцев назад +8

      @@tjsm4455 it can't deal with CP bots, but when I'm arguing about politics YT is deleting or hiding my comments.

    • @shmooters5599
      @shmooters5599 6 месяцев назад

      @@tjsm4455I doubt they are actually trying. Seems the most they are willing to do is ban the accounts once mass reported. They appear to refuse to use and preventative measures.

  • @MarshPlaza
    @MarshPlaza 6 месяцев назад +115

    We can at least agree that the spambots don't have free will

    • @truthseeker7815
      @truthseeker7815 6 месяцев назад +5

      If bots didn’t exist, you wouldn’t have written that comment

    • @falconJB
      @falconJB 6 месяцев назад

      They have the same amount of free-will as you do.

    • @Pybrosherk
      @Pybrosherk 6 месяцев назад

      ​@@truthseeker7815 no sh*t Sherlock why would his free will decide to do that?

    • @truthseeker7815
      @truthseeker7815 6 месяцев назад

      @@Pybrosherk, chill ji ji ji ja

    • @Jancel705
      @Jancel705 6 месяцев назад

      @@Pybrosherk you missed the punchline

  • @memerplays
    @memerplays 6 месяцев назад +342

    Guy in the elevator: Going up?
    Me: banana

  • @Kontraform
    @Kontraform 2 месяца назад +7

    I am also more convinced of determinism, as Schoppenhauer said, “Man can do what he wants, but he cannot will what he wants.”
    I am glad that my will is not free, but corresponds to my nature, my character.
    But I also realize that all arguments for free will or determinism are based on assumptions and I see a big point that gives both a big minus: Incompleteness.
    What is free, what is will, what are initial conditions?
    These are definitions, definitions based on assumptions that are often not provable and that makes all our knowledge incomplete. Moreover, we all know that definitions are not regularities of nature. They are drawers of thought, no more, no less. From incompleteness I say, it doesn't matter, in the end what counts is what proves itself in life, in life it makes no difference, either I can want what I want or I can't want what I want, but in the end I want something, namely to live, to survive, to reproduce, to find my place, to live my will to power.

    • @proudlywild1491
      @proudlywild1491 25 дней назад

      I mean if u don’t have free will and Julian is true both together pretty much makes anything not make sense and the universe is fake

  • @Mr.Etheral
    @Mr.Etheral 6 месяцев назад +733

    Are you NPC?
    "No I'm not NPC"
    *Process to walk into the wall*

    • @YorkShire-fb1jq
      @YorkShire-fb1jq 6 месяцев назад +4

      😂😂😂

    • @darkenergy436
      @darkenergy436 6 месяцев назад +8

      ​@UTTPNINTENDOWARRIORwhat the fuck kinda bot is that

    • @zxcaaq
      @zxcaaq 6 месяцев назад +4

      Are you NPC?
      "No I'm not NPC"
      *Proceeds to watch a video about npcs.*

    • @cherubin7th
      @cherubin7th 6 месяцев назад +1

      Can you hit though the wall? If not, you are at least not a Soulborne NPC.

    • @marccolo2049
      @marccolo2049 6 месяцев назад +3

      Have you heard of the high elves?

  • @FrickenTales
    @FrickenTales 6 месяцев назад +244

    Bro just dismantled my "water is wet" argument in like five seconds...

    • @freestalkerdotfr6391
      @freestalkerdotfr6391 6 месяцев назад +9

      Yeah, pretty determinist IMHO. The nature decided that water, or any liquide, make you wet. Where the free will gonna be : "would I want to be wet ?" If you have the choice to not be, don't go inside the water. But if you're forced to go inside the by causality, your free will isn't there, it's determinst. For example, if someone ask for help because he will drown, you will have no choice to be wet to save him or her. Even if you're petrified by this situation, it has been determined by your mindset.

    • @TheMemeRepository
      @TheMemeRepository 6 месяцев назад +5

      ​​@@freestalkerdotfr6391 Just to probe this train of thought, is the implication that our values strip us of free will?
      So, a socioopath, for example, would actually have more choice in this scenario, as their decision to save that person wouldn't be bound by moral values, but instead, by whether it personally benefits them enough to save them.
      And I suppose the amount of choice also increases if it's a mass-murderer in the ocean, as you'd have to wrangle with your own internal values versus the overall good allowing nature to take its course would do.

    • @EarsoftheWolf
      @EarsoftheWolf 6 месяцев назад +9

      Water itself isn't wet, it's water so it is never dry and cannot therefore be wetted. It can only make something else wet.

    • @flutelover8637
      @flutelover8637 6 месяцев назад +1

      Different between one atom or more, its crazy

    • @PinkeySuavo
      @PinkeySuavo 6 месяцев назад +5

      I don't get the being wet argument though... Being wet is just having H2O molecules in itself. What's so weird about it?

  • @theharbinrooftopspies6761
    @theharbinrooftopspies6761 6 месяцев назад +65

    I love kurzgesagt. So much. As a quantum physicist- every one of your videos beautifully captures and explains these amazing concepts in such an understandable way for everyone. I could only wish more people see your videos. Thank you for everything you do.

  • @seanmarshall5463
    @seanmarshall5463 14 дней назад

    Reminds me of a quote I live by: “The truly extraordinary thing about extraordinary things is that they are, in fact, very ordinary things put together in extraordinary ways”

  • @huh.355
    @huh.355 6 месяцев назад +165

    “When you decided to watch this video instead of doing something useful”
    crap they are onto us

  • @chinmoybhowmickone8795
    @chinmoybhowmickone8795 6 месяцев назад +80

    0:33 how Tf bro knows I’m watching this 2 hours before my midterm exam.

    • @jarimandarijn007
      @jarimandarijn007 6 месяцев назад +5

      Good luck

    • @SareepJr
      @SareepJr 6 месяцев назад +2

      It was written bro

    • @quasarsavage
      @quasarsavage 6 месяцев назад +4

      They calling us students out is wild 😂

    • @NguyenMinh792
      @NguyenMinh792 6 месяцев назад

      ​@@quasarsavageI've done all my exams for two weeks

    • @Infinitymc1mu
      @Infinitymc1mu 3 месяца назад

      And I need to prepare for one but am still om this vid

  • @phagianzynik6841
    @phagianzynik6841 6 месяцев назад +55

    You asked what difference it makes whether our will is free or not. But you also realized that our entire moral foundation for our society is based on the assumption of free will. When someone commits a crime, it makes it all too easy to simply dwell on the question of guilt. "You are responsible for your actions, so you will be punished!" But if we accept that every human action follows a principle of cause and effect, then it becomes necessary to ask why someone committed a crime. How could the situation or the rules of the game have been changed so that the crime would not have been committed? Could future crimes be prevented by doing so? Human society would be a much more pleasant place if we didn't always rely on personal responsibility and deterrence. Anyone who has to steal bread to avoid starving is not free. And anyone who is rewarded for spreading hate on social media is not free either.
    I also felt bad eating pretzels while watching this video. Thank you.

    • @TobyAxell
      @TobyAxell 6 месяцев назад +21

      I think the same way. One of the major differences is directly related to the subject of punishment. If one just did what was predetermined, then punishing them is completely pointless (unless said punishment is meant to achieve something, which seems to rarely be the case). Instead, we would focus on rehabilitation and preventation of such things, as they couldn't be chalked up to "Well that person just is that way, so that is why they did it".

    • @Checkerboard_Owl
      @Checkerboard_Owl 6 месяцев назад +17

      Absolutely. I sorta hate this video because it doesn't really provide any nuance to the answer of whether free will exists or not. Like, just bevause you in theory have the option to choose for yourself what you do, the situations or environment you're in will strongly shape the choices you make (ex: just because you technically had the option to choose not to steal food, if you're starving and out of money, there isn't really much of a choice.) I've seen a lot of people argue against free will (specifically determinists) with no real thought about what that actually means for society, and it's a bit frustrating to me. If you don't actually have any say in whether or not you commit a crime, shouldn't legal systems be completely overhauled? They argue that free will isn't real on a physics level, but then don't seem to have any practical advice as to how that should effect society. But maybe there are determinists arguing that and I just haven't seen them yet.
      Tl;Dr: Even if free will is theoretically possible, doesn't mean you're physically able to choose because your ability to choose is determined by your physical circumstances. Also people arguing determinism should probably think more about how free will not being real should effect society, or at least argue it more often if they do think about it but just don't bring it up often.

    • @samtonetto3294
      @samtonetto3294 6 месяцев назад +15

      Your comment is spot on. I really wish Kurzgesagt discussed the important societal consequences of free will not existing, instead of just remarking about how much of a "bummer" it is.

    • @antaguana
      @antaguana 6 месяцев назад +2

      ​@@Checkerboard_Owltake a look at Sam Harris. The free will question and the consequences question are separate (ie just because you may or may not like the consequences doesn't have a bearing on if something is or is not true). Sam does explore both.

    • @baronofclubs
      @baronofclubs 6 месяцев назад +5

      Society punishes crime, because over time we've learned (accurately or not,) that the fear of punishment results in less of those crimes occurring.
      With a lack of free will, nothing changes. Society has still been taught that, you will be one of countless people to ponder whether it's the best way to prevent crime, and the future will happen as it happens.

  • @Brandon-1996
    @Brandon-1996 4 месяца назад +13

    Alex O'Connor explained it something like, "Free will doesn't exist; Everything you do is because you want to do it or are forced to do it. And you can't control your wants."
    I already had a similar perception, that the world is predetermined, but that by itself doesn't mean anything useful. When I heard Alex I thought, "Free will isn't literal, but the basic concept seems to be very useful in the figurative world, so I'll hold onto it and adjust it a bit."

    • @周生生-f1f
      @周生生-f1f 4 месяца назад

      More to that you *can* decide to not do something the current situation demands it, but as we know evolution *not* doing something that is to be expected by the current meta does have grievious results

    • @boad8270
      @boad8270 4 месяца назад +1

      but thats just straight up wrong, you can control your wants it just takes an extreme level of mental discipline and understanding of your mind

    • @alfredomaldonado6614
      @alfredomaldonado6614 4 месяца назад +1

      You can’t control your wants because that would be logically impossible, it’s like if someone said why can’t you choose to be who you ought to be. Or like if someone came to the conclusion and said “maybe if evil was just good than there would not be such thing as evil”. A thought like that is logically impossible and even absurd.

    • @boad8270
      @boad8270 4 месяца назад +1

      @@alfredomaldonado6614 except you can choose to be who you ought to be, you can convince your mind of anything if you know how to control it, but of course most people arent enlightened so its not that easy but we should still strive for it

    • @boad8270
      @boad8270 4 месяца назад

      @@alfredomaldonado6614 buddhism in general is all about controlling your wants you should do some research into it if you are interested

  • @㘭
    @㘭 6 месяцев назад +298

    “When you decided to watch this video instead of doing something useful"
    bro is living in my walls. i have 40 assignments to do that are due in 2 days 💀

    • @alexandreneves6849
      @alexandreneves6849 5 месяцев назад +3

      Damn

    • @takloy9664
      @takloy9664 5 месяцев назад +4

      So did you finish them?

    • @㘭
      @㘭 5 месяцев назад +5

      @@takloy9664 eventually lol

    • @amvrinn
      @amvrinn 4 месяца назад

      ​@@㘭 in time? 💀

    • @㘭
      @㘭 4 месяца назад

      @@amvrinn ye

  • @Krissy_Bunnie
    @Krissy_Bunnie 6 месяцев назад +160

    I've met a lot of people who act like they're the main character

    • @Krissy_Bunnie
      @Krissy_Bunnie 6 месяцев назад +14

      @UTTPNINTENDOWARRIOR you should get some help for that

    • @rowannnnnnnnn
      @rowannnnnnnnn 6 месяцев назад +19

      @@Krissy_Bunnie​​⁠​⁠they’re bots, just report them. Furthermore, your original comment is so real and fucken hell it’s so obnoxious

    • @dx-ek4vr
      @dx-ek4vr 6 месяцев назад +5

      @@rowannnnnnnnn Web 3.0 is not beating the dead internet allegations...

    • @dx-ek4vr
      @dx-ek4vr 6 месяцев назад +2

      Looking up "Main Character Syndrome" on Wikipedia redirects you to Narcissism. Which says it all, I'd say

    • @rowannnnnnnnn
      @rowannnnnnnnn 6 месяцев назад

      @@dx-ek4vr did you ever really think it would?

  • @jonrios1389
    @jonrios1389 6 месяцев назад +105

    “The person you’re destined to be is the person you choose to be.”
    - Some guy probably

    • @toasterzx
      @toasterzx 6 месяцев назад +5

      "Pikachu I choose you"
      - My grandma's ashes ketchup or whatever

  • @Galimeer5
    @Galimeer5 6 месяцев назад +598

    Judge: "How do you plead?"
    Me: "Not guilty by reason of Determinism"

    • @wdeltag
      @wdeltag 6 месяцев назад +34

      Good luck to your lawyer to prove the determinism

    • @Chris-xo2rq
      @Chris-xo2rq 6 месяцев назад +51

      A computer is deterministic but if it constantly does the wrong thing I don't keep it around...

    • @wdeltag
      @wdeltag 6 месяцев назад +18

      @@Chris-xo2rq a good analogy

    • @traywor
      @traywor 6 месяцев назад +15

      Determinism doesn't absolve you of responsibility. In fact, it forces responsibility upon you.

    • @falkeborg9432
      @falkeborg9432 6 месяцев назад +3

      @@Chris-xo2rq Absolutely! But there is no reason to throw your computer on the floor and start stomping it because it doesn't work... or is there?

  • @smittywerben7406
    @smittywerben7406 6 месяцев назад +370

    "H2O molecules are not wet"
    The amount of conflict I sense is about to happen

    • @micahrobbins8353
      @micahrobbins8353 6 месяцев назад +4

      It's probably not dry

    • @PackRodent7
      @PackRodent7 6 месяцев назад +16

      @@besmart2350 I agree with the first camp more, but also why in the observable universe would you use that example?

    • @micahrobbins8353
      @micahrobbins8353 6 месяцев назад +14

      ​@@besmart2350 my take is that we just don't know nearly enough to presume that pure reductionism is an appropriate approach to the universe. What is definitely true though is that the belief in free will is part of the antidote to feeling like a worthless npc

    • @leiferikson2210
      @leiferikson2210 6 месяцев назад +4

      ​@@besmart2350At the end of the day it's an ontological problem, the same kind of problem statisticians face when considering a coin a random process.

    • @wasp795
      @wasp795 6 месяцев назад +3

      yay no bots

  • @ascensionfinale7983
    @ascensionfinale7983 6 месяцев назад +181

    the thing that a lot of people seem to miss is that *you in particular are included in determinism*. You are taking part in it. you are making your decisions deterministically because the “you” that experiences things is the result of a process. Practically, you’ve got free will, because you are part of the path. having knowledge of the future would be part of that future and thus would change that future.
    You’re free to make any choice, but given the exact same you in the exact same situation, you will always make the same choice. it’s more saying that a given situation will always produce reliable results.
    the processor that is you will always output the same thing given the exact same inputs.
    You’re still responsible and in control of yourself because you are still making the choices. it’s not that you can’t help yourself, it’s that you did it for a reason and your future actions are all for reason as well.
    the thing that this particular “layer” argument misses is that everything is abstraction. you can’t explain a galaxy with just subatomic particles, a galaxy is also fundamentally just interactions of very tiny things. Emergent properties are part of the thing that’s determined.
    Essentially, things can be predicted but that’s part of the future, and if you’ve got a machine that can reliably predict things on that scale than knowledge of the results would need to be factored in and thus would change the results.
    The determinism argument in no way argues that you lack the will to do what you want: it’s just saying that you want the things you do for reasons, and your reasoning can be reliably replicated.

    • @Elitecommander0
      @Elitecommander0 6 месяцев назад +21

      > "Essentially, things can be predicted but that’s part of the future, and if you’ve got a machine that can reliably predict things on that scale than knowledge of the results would need to be factored in and thus would change the results.
      The determinism argument in no way argues that you lack the will to do what you want: it’s just saying that you want the things you do for reasons, and your reasoning can be reliably replicated."
      100% this. Couldn't agree more. So it's strange that there are two sides arguing, when the answer can essentially be both.

    • @eyesofthecervino3366
      @eyesofthecervino3366 6 месяцев назад +3

      Agreed. It's like saying because I like peppermint ice cream I lack the free will to choose to eat it.

    • @priwncess
      @priwncess 6 месяцев назад +2

      Good summary on free will, I agree and see it the same way

    • @maxkho00
      @maxkho00 6 месяцев назад +2

      I don't understand your objection to the layer argument. Everything you wrote here only corroborates the argument. Yes, everything is an "abstraction" (bad term because it implies that these things are somehow not physical or real), but these "abstractions" are structured in layers. And the particular layer of human identity cannot be explained using only the layers below it, just as the behaviour of an atom can't be explained using just the properties of the particles that make it up. That's why it makes sense to call human will "free" ─ it acts independently of any other thing in the universe, despite ultimately being deterministic at its core.

    • @MkCezario
      @MkCezario 6 месяцев назад

      But if your conclusion is true there is a catch, the determinism cannot co exist with a random universe and thus cannot be proved, because there is no way to replicate things.
      So one decides by the sum of part one is, to answer random inputs from the universe in a specific way. So free will with extra steps.

  • @synlynx869
    @synlynx869 2 месяца назад +2

    6:46 yes you could, if you had a model complex enough- you literally said this at the start of the video.
    If you could predict what happens to every single particle in the universe at every point in time, you could perfectly predict exactly how physics causes every human to act/every future event to unfold. That eliminates the possibility of free will existing as you will never/have never had the power to act/have acted differently than the way you will/did. The existence of emergent properties doesn‘t change that.
    Free will is just a very powerful illusion

    • @leonhardtkristensen4093
      @leonhardtkristensen4093 Месяц назад

      So why do you get angry when some body do you any wrong? They couldn't help it. Oh you where programmed to get angry.
      Seriously I don't think we know nearly enough to say one way or the other.
      They say that atomic decay is random. If every thing is pre determined that can't be true.
      If everything was known 14 billion years ago where is all that knowledge stored? In my opinion it could at the most be possible to calculate what would happen and not actually known back then. To store any knowledge must take energy too and how was that knowledge developed?
      I believe and hope for randomness. I believe in at least some free will. I do not see that every little piece of energy in the energy sea 14 billion years ago would by any way be able to be calculated to where it is today.
      By the way what is illusion? That must be pre determined too if you are right.
      Tik tak tik tak machine. Is that all we are?

  • @TheStanislavson
    @TheStanislavson 6 месяцев назад +260

    NPC, what are you talking about? I sell swords and can repair armor, which one is it? Oh, the road to Vizima is straight ahead. Have a nice day adventurer.

    • @therexbellator
      @therexbellator 6 месяцев назад +13

      Potion seller I need your strongest potions!

    • @TheStanislavson
      @TheStanislavson 6 месяцев назад +16

      @@therexbellator I am afraid my strongest potion will turn you racist.

    • @ИванЖалдак-ю8у
      @ИванЖалдак-ю8у 6 месяцев назад +7

      Thank you, shopkeeper. May the Ligma be with you

    • @Sketchblopp
      @Sketchblopp 6 месяцев назад +2

      Can I sell you this odd junk I found in someone's treasure chest and doesn't seem to have any use but to sell it?

    • @abhisheksingh2254
      @abhisheksingh2254 6 месяцев назад +3

      but can you craft grandmaster gear

  • @hectorfonteneles6821
    @hectorfonteneles6821 6 месяцев назад +164

    I think the real question is what does "free will" mean.
    my mom quit smoking a year ago. it was really hard for her, because her brain is wired to crave nicotine. this was a choice she made. even if this choice was determined by the quarks that compose her brain, this is macroscopically, semantically, what we call a choice. I think determinism doesn't negate free will, I think it's just a way of seeing it

    • @JorisKeijser
      @JorisKeijser 6 месяцев назад +11

      I've beaten addiction as well, but I'm not in any way proud of myself for that. To me it doesn't feel like a choice I made or a battle I won, it feels like an inevitable consequence of action/reaction. I'm happy about it, but don't ascribe it to my own perseverance. My brother doesn't understand me when I tell him this.

    • @Xirnatts
      @Xirnatts 6 месяцев назад +12

      @@JorisKeijser OMG thank you! Yeah, it's everything that you lived up to this point, coupled with your genes, that both made you start and finish that addiction. You can be happy it's over, that's for sure! But you didn't choose your genes or the environment in which you were born and then evolved, so it doesn't mean anything to feel proud about it. I think just like you :)

    • @petitio_principii
      @petitio_principii 6 месяцев назад +4

      We can think of two different types of free-will. One would be this impossible free-will that is like a magical soul taking over the physics of our brains. Whereas the other is closest to the common-sense definition as free-will being things we choose when not under coercion of some sort. With the "physics itself" of our biological/neurological machinery doing the choice not counting as coercion.
      Good for your mother. I wish my father would stop. and that my aunt could have. PS, interesting sciencey thing I've heard, apparently the addiction to nicotine itself ends in a surprisingly short interval, matter of a couple of days or so. Then they argue there's an additional habit component that's not as directly linked to nicotine as once imagined. I don't know how accurate it is but if it's true it's interesting, and supposed to help quitting, with habit substitution/tweaking.

    • @cetomedo
      @cetomedo 6 месяцев назад +2

      @@Xirnatts My thought is that while me as a person *is* determined entirely by outside factors like genetics and my environment, I am ultimately defined as the entity that exists as a result of these things, not these things themselves. If this entity decided and worked hard to quit smoking, even though this was an inevitable consequence of the events of the big bang, that entity still deserves praise. As far as I'm concerned, when it comes to qualifying for praise, it does not matter why someone is the way they are, just how difficult their task was for them.

    • @ELFUICHE
      @ELFUICHE 6 месяцев назад +1

      I quit alcohol and cigarettes with meditation. People have no idea they have everything they will ever need within them.

  • @Aspecky
    @Aspecky 6 месяцев назад +164

    0:25 eyo chill, you taking out the both of us with that statement 😭

    • @NguyenMinh792
      @NguyenMinh792 6 месяцев назад +7

      Fourth wall breaking!

    • @TheWorldsLargestOven
      @TheWorldsLargestOven 6 месяцев назад +4

      ​@@NguyenMinh792It's not a fourth wall break when there is no fourth wall to begin with.

    • @CamGrant-lb9xy
      @CamGrant-lb9xy 6 месяцев назад +1

      Wtf

    • @CamGrant-lb9xy
      @CamGrant-lb9xy 6 месяцев назад

      I love this chat

    • @tripstarkayzofficial
      @tripstarkayzofficial 6 месяцев назад +1

      Bruh how tf did they know that
      l was being lazy to study
      and decided to watch a quick kurzgesagt vid lol 😂

  • @notsharsky7810
    @notsharsky7810 4 месяца назад +1

    every time without fail i am impressed by the pure quality of these videos, from the animations to writing to just, detail in general its insane

  • @suchnothing
    @suchnothing 6 месяцев назад +198

    Clicked on this to say that I work at a reception desk, and take my dog for a walk at pretty much the same time every day. I am almost as NPC as a human being can get 😂 all I do all day is assign annoying side quests for little to no payout to other people. Like get me your boss's schedule so I can book him in a meeting; retrieve these office supplies and bring them to me; repair this minor inconvenience of an issue in our office or on our computer. MY coworkers are like "how was your weekend, did you do anything fun?" and I'm like "nah I did nothing".

    • @tentiapoe
      @tentiapoe 6 месяцев назад +15

      Immanuel Kant is proud and I am inspired.

    • @rogacz962
      @rogacz962 6 месяцев назад +9

      Well at least other people do ask you about. Nobody asks me about mine, because I then speak about loops, conditions and compilations, and all they hear is "#$^&$ @^$*( @^&!$)".

    • @DerSerafin
      @DerSerafin 6 месяцев назад +7

      Hello adventurer and welcome to the town of honeywood!

    • @quickfast1017
      @quickfast1017 6 месяцев назад +1

      The way I would have an existencial crisis every day 💀

    • @assassinaria
      @assassinaria 6 месяцев назад +3

      NPC's in games were modelled on the average person, so if it makes you feel better, you're one of us 😂

  • @redfish7302
    @redfish7302 6 месяцев назад +255

    A disturbing lack of birds in this video.

    • @antaguana
      @antaguana 6 месяцев назад +8

      A more disturbing lack of insight and research.

    • @thearkadianm
      @thearkadianm 6 месяцев назад +27

      @@antaguanaCheck the sources

    • @FirelMusic
      @FirelMusic 6 месяцев назад +24

      @@antaguana There's literally annotations and sources in the description of every video, the bots have better bait than this.

    • @N12015
      @N12015 6 месяцев назад +3

      ​​@@thearkadianm While the sources seem legit, this doesn't mean there's a lack of bias and manipulation. And Even if they are, academia isn't necessarily telling the truth.

    • @tinylazer
      @tinylazer 6 месяцев назад +6

      @@N12015 Implying either of two things. You only know the truth, or the truth cannot be known.

  • @CharletteLin
    @CharletteLin 5 месяцев назад +25

    The no-free-will argument actually makes sense, and it doesn't have to be an unhappy thought. (I find it funny that the no-free-will camp were drawn as as angry little structures. 😂) It's actually irrelevant to what one should do on a practical basis -- you *should* do what is best for you based on the the pros and cons, which includes how you feel about all the choices. Hard determinism actually helps me feel more empathy towards other people (because if I was born as them, had their genes, their social upbringing and everything else, then I would do exactly what they have done). It also emphasizes cause-and-effect: your actions influences your future. If you work hard and smart to build a better future for yourself, your future will be affected accordingly. If you sit in a ditch, then your immediate future is likely in that ditch. So what if it could be predicted (or not because of randomness)? You can still choose to indulge or relax or something more productive. It doesn't matter if some uber super computer could have predicted that. You do you.

    • @claasbehrens2554
      @claasbehrens2554 3 месяца назад

      :) you can't really "choose" to indulge in anything, you do or you don't, that's the idea. like you said, if you were someone else, you'd do it like they do it. noone can help to do what they do. however we are influenced by anything that our attentive system picks up on and decides to be important enough to consider. what a nice topic to get lost in. I can tell from your comment that you enjoy these thoughts and ideas as well! peace!

    • @Anonymous-df8it
      @Anonymous-df8it 2 месяца назад +2

      @@claasbehrens2554 You may wish to act on your desires, but you don't have any control of *_what_* you desire

  • @Flabbyz
    @Flabbyz 2 месяца назад +1

    This channel drops the deepest videos ever with very clear visuals and explanations, keep up the great work!

  • @JPLJVR37
    @JPLJVR37 6 месяцев назад +170

    Kurzgesagt has taken an official stand,
    5:35 - Water is not wet

    • @MeLlamo410
      @MeLlamo410 6 месяцев назад +19

      No, they only said individual molecules of water are not wet, never said anything about whether or not a bundle of them are wet.

    • @UrbanTomfoolery
      @UrbanTomfoolery 6 месяцев назад +11

      Water isn’t wet, it makes things wet, you can’t have more wet water but water can make things progressively wet

    • @AliceTheSpider
      @AliceTheSpider 6 месяцев назад +2

      water is not H20 molecules either it's a certain configuration and procsses of them makes water and a liquid and all the other properties of water that h20 cannot simply have

    • @crizblu6615
      @crizblu6615 6 месяцев назад

      @@UrbanTomfooleryWATER IS NEITHER DRY OR WER
      WATER IS WATER A

    • @Csibe_Hapsi
      @Csibe_Hapsi 6 месяцев назад

      @@MeLlamo410 What is water? What is wet? What is what?

  • @Mamie-_-Traillette
    @Mamie-_-Traillette 6 месяцев назад +387

    The moral is : fuck around and find out

    • @bugonboris6681
      @bugonboris6681 6 месяцев назад +2

      Nice one! :'D
      But seriously though, I don't think we'll figure out the theory of Free Will any time soon...

    • @Lightdayleland
      @Lightdayleland 6 месяцев назад +2

      everyone trying to make a funny comment i know it

    • @Noxedwin
      @Noxedwin 6 месяцев назад +3

      If the universal design is for me to be a mischievous goblin, then I might not have free will, but I will at least have pleasure.

    • @christophvolar3481
      @christophvolar3481 6 месяцев назад +2

      hell yeah! glitch out this stupid simulation. gonna jail break yah "REALITY"!

    • @etodemerzel2627
      @etodemerzel2627 6 месяцев назад +2

      The only rational thing anyone can do.

  • @olaf3140
    @olaf3140 4 месяца назад +407

    If I had free will, I'd be doing something productive, but here we are.

    • @PaulSmitNonduality
      @PaulSmitNonduality 4 месяца назад +6

      lol!

    • @MTA-u7u
      @MTA-u7u 4 месяца назад +23

      And that is why , you just make excuses

    • @MichaelC-to7uz
      @MichaelC-to7uz 4 месяца назад +4

      But at least we are here😊

    • @heyrobgray
      @heyrobgray 3 месяца назад +2

      No you wouldn't! And neither would I lol

    • @MichaelC-to7uz
      @MichaelC-to7uz 3 месяца назад

      @@heyrobgray You're right!

  • @texpine
    @texpine 6 месяцев назад +216

    As a project manager, I'm that annoying side quest giver NPC for sure. I'm the Preston Garvey of my teammates.

    • @kaymarx9677
      @kaymarx9677 6 месяцев назад +3

      Please don't say that about yourself, I don't need to start hating a stranger.

    • @josiahbaumgartner7643
      @josiahbaumgartner7643 6 месяцев назад

      You seem insufferable

    • @GustavoCebo
      @GustavoCebo 6 месяцев назад +10

      ​@@kaymarx9677 Not hating strangers is something only a true Minuteman would do. But meanwhile, another settlement needs your help.

    • @gamera5160
      @gamera5160 6 месяцев назад +10

      I'm a therapist. I help people create their own quest lines and I function as a save point because I record their progress.

    • @JoeLo-zt5mn
      @JoeLo-zt5mn 6 месяцев назад +7

      ​@@kaymarx9677 I'll mark it on your map.

  • @thatguywiththestache
    @thatguywiththestache 6 месяцев назад +114

    “We don’t know why and how; but we know that you’re here right now.” That is beautiful.

    • @Fleischkopf
      @Fleischkopf 6 месяцев назад +1

      do we?

    • @Alec0124
      @Alec0124 6 месяцев назад +1

      @@Fleischkopf nothing exist but space and you. And you are but a thought.

    • @NguyenMinh792
      @NguyenMinh792 6 месяцев назад +2

      Kurzgesagt's philosophy

    • @bobbyanggunawan3407
      @bobbyanggunawan3407 6 месяцев назад

      hi, fellow npc

  • @caomouse8829
    @caomouse8829 6 месяцев назад +130

    There is no freewill, but there is discount will, 50% off
    Everything tend to move toward the middle.

    • @sniper_gg47
      @sniper_gg47 6 месяцев назад +4

      My farts are better than Kurzgesagt's farts

    • @insaincaldo
      @insaincaldo 6 месяцев назад +4

      @@sniper_gg47 That's good, nobody deserves existential dread B.O.

  • @tiffariff
    @tiffariff 19 дней назад

    I think they defined it well when they went into quantum particles. Free will means your decisions are not predetermined from exterior causes- physics/the laws of the universe included. They are not random either. The idea is that they are determined based on a sum of all your previous decisions that you consider to be yourself/what makes you- you- your personality. I think this is fun because everyone starts at a base line, but depending on where we are placed in existence (not just physically but biologically, societally, socially, etc) and how the randomization of life effects us (did that random lottery ticket work?) we store these up/these effects cause us to mold into who we are- the more it happens the more we divert from the typical decisions to make. So in a way, free will is a summary of the laws of the universe effecting us as well as randomizations compiling to change us into being able to be different and do different things- even choosing which things effect how we choose to do different things!

  • @crangel2183
    @crangel2183 6 месяцев назад +179

    Even at the layer where free will exists, your brain is still being influenced by past experiences, actions, genes, and environment. Emergence just passes the problem to a different layer but does not refute the premise imo

    • @BEPPEJHA
      @BEPPEJHA 6 месяцев назад +6

      All subjects that you can analyze or think to make your decisions

    • @Spooky_Magooky
      @Spooky_Magooky 6 месяцев назад +18

      I don't think the inherent nuance of the human condition justifies that there is no free will, I think it speaks to how we really don't have an answer either way and that free will as a concept is much more complex. This is a philosophical issue, not a scientific one.
      For example an argument could be made that free will is a class based privilege, as you have a higher capacity and access to options alongside class and other social factors. Or that we have no free will since we're easily influenced and manipulated by the systems we live in and that who we are and what we do is not truly our decision.

    • @fabianthome7698
      @fabianthome7698 6 месяцев назад +20

      Exactly. Pretty low level analysis by Kurgesat in this one. I guess it’s the strong wish of free will to exist.

    • @michaljancar339
      @michaljancar339 6 месяцев назад +14

      Past experiences, actions, genes, and environment can arise as a consequence of either free will or determinism. They do not provide any proof towards existence or non-existence of free will.

    • @chumbucket6184
      @chumbucket6184 6 месяцев назад

      Then there is no greater expression of free will than life long obese people that lose weight and keep it off.

  • @EllenReborn
    @EllenReborn 6 месяцев назад +207

    The problem with free will is that we have no choice but to have it. - Christopher Hitchens

    • @simiuciacia
      @simiuciacia 6 месяцев назад +21

      Playing with oxymorons will make you sound fancy but to the attentive mind you'll only appear pretentious in your speech

    • @Minorities320
      @Minorities320 6 месяцев назад +2

      npc

    • @freezingicy9457
      @freezingicy9457 6 месяцев назад

      you could just let a coinflip or someone else decide all your decisions. No more free will

    • @Someone-sc2hk
      @Someone-sc2hk 6 месяцев назад +2

      until I do! _goes unconscious_

    • @jarrodmiller9353
      @jarrodmiller9353 6 месяцев назад +5

      ​@@freezingicy9457 But if you come up with a heads/tails decision yourself and then decided to flip a coin for it. In my mind, that's all you.