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25-06 High Flying Bullet Mystery.
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For 44 years I’ve had the good fortune to photograph and write about my passion - the outdoor life. Wild creatures and wild places have always stirred me - from the first flushing pheasant that frightened me out of my socks in grandpa’s cornfield to the last whitetail that dismissed me with a wag of its tail. In my attempts to connect with this natural wonder, to become an integral part of our ecosystem and capture a bit of its mystery, I’ve photographed, hiked, hunted, birded, and fished across much of this planet. I've seen the beauty that everyone should see, survived adventures that everyone should experience. I may not have climbed the highest mountains, canoed the wildest rivers, caught the largest fish or shot the biggest bucks, but I’ve tried. Perhaps you have, too. And that’s the essential thing. Being out there, an active participant in our outdoor world.
All loading, handloading, gunsmithing, shooting and associated activities and demonstrations depicted in our videos are conducted by trained, certified, professional gun handlers, instructors, and shooters for instructional and entertainment purposes only with emphasis on safety and responsible gun handling. Always check at least 3 industry handloading manuals for handloading data, 2 or 3 online ballistic calculators for ballistic data. Do not attempt to duplicate, mimic, or replicate anything you see in our videos. Firearms, ammunition, and constituent parts can be extremely dangerous if not used safely.
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All loading, handloading, gunsmithing, shooting and associated activities and demonstrations depicted in our videos are conducted by trained, certified, professional gun handlers, instructors, and shooters for instructional and entertainment purposes only with emphasis on safety and responsible gun handling. Always check at least 3 industry handloading manuals for handloading data, 2 or 3 online ballistic calculators for ballistic data. Do not modify any cartridge or firearm beyond what the manufacturer recommends. Do not attempt to duplicate, mimic, or replicate anything you see in our videos. Firearms, ammunition, and constituent parts can be extremely dangerous if not used safely.
I bought a Remington 700 in 25-06 from a old feller that bought it new in the 70’s a few months back and man that thing shoots lights out accurate. I’m really growing fond of that caliber 👍
Right on. Thanks for sharing.
This is by far the best and most informative gun related channel on RUclips. You deserve millions of subs.
Thanks Vitaly. I hope we get them.
It’s a very good channel for sure! I also follow Target Suite. But I like Ron’s writing as much as the videos.
GunBlue is as informative without as much production behind it. Go look him up also!
Part of your condition might be this. You have a scope mounted 5 in higher than it needs to be mounted that creates a different angle whenever you're the bullet and your line of sight condense at one point. When the further you move out.
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Ron cracks me up. '' Welcome back to The 25-06 Flying Bullet Mystery Show.'' Oh man.
I'm one of those people that likes to collect and shoot different stuff, it's fun, but my 25-06 is always my most confident and favorite rifle to shoot.
My first deer with it we call it the Magic gun nobody has missed yet
Nothing sounds like the 25-06. Music to my ears. I always brought two rifles on pronghorn hunts; .270 wby mag for the buck (Ruger #1 and a 25-06 for the doe (H&R single) why? love them both. Heck of a rifle you have there Ron. And I had the same deal with my H&R. Thanks
Ron your killin me with that Dakota mod 10...dang man that thing is so beautiful, it a magic wand !!
Hey Ron, I use almost the same bench setup that your are. However I also stick a bag under my right elbow to support it. I think it helps. Good video.
Love my 25-06
I watch your videos a lot. I just found this one. I’ve had some confusion with my new mark 3 bar. I had it set at 2” high at 100 to get a 200 zero. But when I shot at 200 it was still 2 high. So I set it back to dead on at 100 and it’s dead on at 200. Now this gives me a good clue on what is happening. Thanks
I can't get enough of the 30.06, .270, & 25.06 stuff. My favorite range of calibers along with the 22.250.
Ron I really enjoy your videos because A-they are honest. B- they are explained in a laymans terms. C-you show that it is what it is.
Thanks Lloyd. I try to make things clear.
My favorite leupold, my late uncles, the oldest and most banged up is that M8 fix x6. So clear, so simple
Have you priced a Leopold fixed power scope ? OMG,,,, 🤔
Being up in the Great White North as I am, I have worked on a lot of old Lee Enfields. They show the same sensitivity to balance with the forend as well.
I’d really enjoy a man of your caliber and wisdom to be the one to teach me back in my youth about hunting and shooting skill. I’m here now and your videos are amazing. Thank you for making theses.
Thanks for your kind remarks, Fire.
@@WallSt101 Good pun, B. Thanks.
Learned something new, so today is a good day! Thank you sir!
Greets from the Netherlands 🌷, T.
I had a Ruger No. 1v in .25=06 to that I named AT&T because you could reach out and touch someone with it. The 25-06 is a very flat shooting cartridge.
I enjoyed watching the video. Keep them coming, Ron.
Man, that bullet trail was pretty wild. Very interesting. I'm guessing it was cool temps close to the dew point. I never get to see my bullets leave a trail like that.
Thanks Ron, hats off to you brother Keep'em coming
Very underrated cartridge! Great for long distance varmint shooting, or medium game at closer distance
I’ve always liked the 25-06 using 115 to 120 grain bullets to hunt wild goats and pigs in the wide open spaces in far western New South Wales and Queensland Australia.
I’m exited about the new 25 Creedmore cartridge
@@conservativesniperhunter7439 you mean the .250 Savage Ackley Improved. Ya, that should be sweet!
@@luvtahandload7692 Copy that , it’s basically a 250 SAI but in a short compact more efficient case and barrel specifically chambered to seat the longer sleeker high BC Match bullets for better more accurate long range performance.
Im confused? You do realize they are the same thing i hope. Theres nothing new under the sun. Hornady is the king of stealing ideas. And have the $ to market the death out of things. Look at the 6mm arc. Its just another stolen idea. Google 6mm AR. And be prepared to feel sry for anyone that doesnt have the money to litigate against a giant corporation.
@@sancharino4672 yes, you are confused as that is what my point was. Regarding the 6.5 CM, the only difference between it and the .250 Savage AI is .007" bullet diameter. I imagine the .25 CM is exactly the same 💯 %. 😃👍🇺🇲🙋♂️
I must say, this is an awesome follow up! I was scrolling, seen this, and remembered your previous issue. Love the vapor trails. I'd say stretch the legs and see what range it finally zeros out at. You were so close to talking about "Weapon Employment Zone" when describing your group size. Now thats a good rabbit hole to go down, as it parallels your MPBR system. Great content as always Ron 👏
Cool video taking us a long with a mystery! I have a break action rife that would make two separate groups. The groups had near perfect windage to each other but were separated vertically by about 1.5" at 100yds. This problem popped up out of the blue after owning the rifle for a few years. Long story short, the problem was forearm pressure. The forearm screw stud had a rubber coating on it that I guess was supposed to reduce vibration a little. Over time that coating had peeled up and wadded on one of the stud putting uneven pressure on the barrel. I peeled it off completely, and the problem vanished. I was shocked at how such a little thing could affect my point of impact so greatly. I was ready to sell the gun just before that.
I have a good friend that hunts 25-06, he took a nice mule deer buck several years ago . Everyone I ever talk to loved their 25-06
700 yrds
10:06 I need a pair of these magic muffs.
Ron I would just like to say I love your videos and that you actually interact and listen to the people who watch your videos!!! Keep up the great work!!!!
Always a genuine pleasure to get the opportunity to chill with a beer and watch Ron !
Hey ron , I highly enjoy your Channel and love your content . My father was a gunsmith and I’m a 21 year army veteran who served 3 tours in iraq and Afghanistan. I hunt with his FN Mauser M98 sporter he built in 30-06 regularly because it makes me feel like he’s with me in the woods . He passed away in 2017. God bless you sir and keep up the good work
Thank you Thomas and thanks for your service to USA!
@@RonSpomerOutdoors it was my pleasure to serve .
Ron, here's my 2 cents on this video.....you have a very accurate No. 1 and that is something to be said for that rifle. Although I have never owned one, my son does and over the years a couple of my shooting buddies have owned them and they are/were not getting the results you have. I might add that they were shooting 30 calibers also. Like you said, inside 300 and you should be fine.
Great information. Thank u for your videos.
Love 25-06 it will reach out there.
You've shot some nice rifles for us. That's likely my favorite. Much love for a single shot, much love for .25-06, much love for great craftsmanship. Great deer and antelope rifle.
the condensation from dew point and temperature parity at 6:44 was super cool
Love that smoke trail !
I don't think I've ever seen a trail that pronounced.
@@Nathan_King I think Ron may have a special effect department 🤣
I love this style of video, real world results and education.
Nice vid, nice riffle, nice shooting!
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Watched my uncle drop a shit pile of elk with his 25/06 , boom, thunk, thud, on the ground every time.. great great round...
Like I said enjoy your magic rifle, looks like the G1 is .400 - .437, at 3500 fps you can zero at 330 and get 400 yards 5/5 above/below. I mean if you going to shoot 300 or less, just leave it alone, and enjoy the hunt. Great show.
im trying to do load development for the ole 257 roberts, 25 cal very under rated in hunting, just like all the 270 haters, its a great cal as well!
The Bob is a great old cartridge and one of my favorites. Good thing I have two of them because my daughter has claimed one. I’ve had success with a 117 gr Sierra boat tail and IMR-7828 powder. Shoots well in both of my rifles and has taken a number of our northern Wisconsin white tails.
The only people that hated the .270 are the wwII fuckers their all bout dead now, so everybody likes the .270
Great video Ron! I have been looking forward to this video to see how you got that issue sorted out. I was thinking you might try shooting the same way you'll be shooting in the field to approximate if the issue might be the forearm. Good luck with the hunt and be sure to let us know what you're able to bag. Grace & Peace.
Thanks Rev. Yes, my remaining test is to shoot offhand and with my portable bipod to see if impact points change. The hunt is the weekend! Now if it would just quite raining... (After last summer's drought, I never thought I'd say that again!)
That's a great video!!! That just goes to show more heads on a problem can get it solved!!!! Sometimes people forget the simple things!
You should get a Hart pedestal rest Ron. When I was spending time at Williamsport it was the most common rest by far. You don't need to get it with all the bells and whistles for load development but it is rock solid and easy to adjust even in it's basic form.
Great video
Solid sight in video 📹 👌 Thanks Ron
Your wisdom shows how we all need to borrow each other's brains now and then. No man is an island. Unfortunately for me, with electrical troubleshooting, I am all alone. So, I do a check list, then if I get frustrated I stop. Empty my mind of the job. Think pleasant thoughts and sometimes i get an "A HAH!!" moment which is nice, other times I just get back to work and keep checking things until the problem is solved. Either way, I got the job done.
Ron, you should look at one of the forward rests from Sinclair International. I have an older one that probably weighs 25lbs and doesn't move at all. Excellent adjustability and several different tops available. With the number of rifles that you test I'm surprised you haven't had one for years.
Just love your vids Ron. That vapor trail was like a hellfire. Nice.
Thanks Glenn.
Live and learn
Thankyou Sir
Cheers
Rob
What a beautiful rifle! And who doesn't love the 25-06.
It's really magic. Your excuse is a cover-up 👀 just love the 25-06 😆
Watching your videos confirm to me that I’m not crazy.. I have nearly every common caliber rifle, and yes, I still need a few more, but the 25.06 is by far my favorite. I have it in steyr pro hunter, 2005 model.. love it, but that Dakota is a sweet looking piece of work.
I really appreciate your efforts and knowledge. For Some reason I get the feeling you like the 25.06 .. I totally agree. Lol
A 1in group at 100 yards doesn't automatically translate into a 2 in group at 200 or a 3in group at 300. Some bullets settle down for lack of a better term and might be 11/2 at 200. Others that might be at the edge of stabilization could be a 3 or even 4 inches.
Yes, that sometimes happens, but a true MOA rifle should maintain MOA at all ranges.
@@RonSpomerOutdoors The problem I spoke about could be the bullet more than the gun.
Beautiful rifle sir. I enjoy your submissions. Excellent content on a consistent basis, thanks for your efforts.
Great shooting Sir!
Great video!!!!! The Real gunsmith had a great video on these style rifles and the Ruger #1
Thank you for revisiting this one Ron. I was curious as to the cause. I was among those who suggested the uphill shooting, I guess it was an illusion of the camera that made me think you were shooting uphill to a greater degree than you were. This vid showing your target from behind the bench does well to show that uphill really wasn't an issue. Thanks for all you do Ron! I really enjoy your channel! Happy hunting and good shooting Sir. 🙂
Uphill angles always look steeper than they are. Must be from the gravity we feel when walking them. Hard to forget!
Remember, this is the cos function so you won't see a lot of difference until you start getting into a fair sized angle. 4 inches over expected at 300 yards is quite a bit for the amount of angle he is doing.
Appreciate the follow up, thought you left us hanging….
Really enjoyed your video!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Awesome video Mr. Ron.
Thanks Rooster.
Ron- That rifle is OBVIOUSLY defective. You MUST send it to me immediately for an expert evaluation. I will get back to you with my findings in about 10 years..:)
Thanks so much for your generous offer!
@@RonSpomerOutdoorscheck the barrel 👑 crown Ron??
Well done Ron. We all learned something. And you are gentleman shooter. Cheers
Thanks Brian. I think you'll like the next installment of this 25-06 Dakota series.
Makes perfect sense about the forearm pressure. The same idea applies when I shoot my M16A2 clone with the drop in handguard. My poi will shift if I just rest the gun on a bag and then shoot standing up using tension on the sling around my elbow. Took me a min to realize what I was doing before blaming the gun. Good stuff Ron,I enjoy the videos!
Ron, Thanks for the kind comments on the bench. Royal
My God, what a beautiful rifle! I love all the single shot rifles, the Ruger #1, Browning 1885, both high & low walls. But Wow, that Dakota is a real Gem! Thanks for the great content!
You're welcome, Mark. And props for your taste in rifles!
Excellent
Thanks
I love the 257 weatherby but this is a damn fine cartridge and i got a m1 garand in 270 30-06 and 35 whelen i think i need a 25-06 chambered in m1 garand
Love listening to your stuff. Nice rifle. I’ve struck out so far this year. First time hunting in about 30 years. Going with my son after mulies. Shooting a .270 WBY Mark V and he’s using a 7mm WSM model 70. Also in the great white north in BC.
Here's wishing you better luck soon, Dave.
I have an early Browning Model 78 falling block with a 26" barrel in 25-06. It, too, has the underbarrel forend rod hanger setup. Many years ago, I found that to be consistent from the bench, I placed the REAR of the forend ON the sandbag.
That Dakota is so much like the M-78 that it makes my eyes water. 😊
That is a beautiful rifle!
Excellent vid... makes me miss my former .25-06. Sadly, the .25s just never caught on in the U.S. Thanks for sharing these types of "anomalies" which we all sometimes have to suffer. -Ray, in Southwest Colorado (my new RUclips name is "GeezerWheels" - also into motorcycles)
That is a Bucket List rifle for me. Beautiful.
I had a H&R Ultra Hunter in 25-06 and I had the same problem with forearm pressure affecting my accuracy. Sold it a couple of years ago because I got tired of fooling with it.
That is super nice rifle
Ron , I notice that you lay your thumb along the stock, in line with the barrel. That is the way I like to shoot as well. I had an older fella teach me that. He said that is how he did it when he was in the army. I really enjoy watching your channel.
Thanks Robt. My challenge is to remember that thumb position when hunting. Not the grip I used until recently. But it does reduce tendency to torque.
Wow, dang i love the way you think yourself thro things. I guess my question may be how has it done with the same load on paper before or did i miss that? You do such a great job,just keep doing what you do,,wow lol amazing great videos!!!
Great rifle. Always love a good falling block. Always thought a #1 stainless/laminate in 25-06 would be a lot of fun. I have a walnut #1 in 30-06, and I wouldn't mind some others (always had a vision of the RSI in 7x57 with a fixed 6x scope- very traditional). U erri has been selling the Courteney (Selous) Stalker in 303 and 45-70 for a year or 2 also. 303 would be a hoot. Looks like you got it figured out. The #1 is known for occasional forend issues, and there are a couple of fixes for it. I think mine is okay, but i need a good session with it to make sure
Beautiful rifle
50 years of reloading/proving loads, I’ve accepted that zeroing from a “solid” rest is only for the recipe. POI is typically higher @ longer range than expected. Verify scope settings with actual hunting methods of aiming. Prairie dogs from a shooting bench is different than a tree , fence post or a shooting stick. I believe you have your questions answered! Great follow up Ron!
Great video, Ron. One other thing that might not have been suggested would be to measure the amount of jump between the bullet tip and the lands on your reloads. I have a 7MM Remington Magnum that is really persnickety about that in terms of consistency, and I have to set my C.O.A.L. to have a .030" jump to get sub MOA. Just a suggestion - maybe try it out and to see if you can get that group even tighter. Good luck!
Yes, tweaking seating depth can make a big difference in group size, but shouldn't change impact point at distance.
That 2 1/2 is where I have all most all of our rifles sighted for.
Except for the 45-70, and 350L there on at 100yds
The 44mag on at 50yds.
I can't see how it is possible for a 25 yard zero, 2" high at 100 rifle to still be hitting high at 300 yards...; it should be about on at 200 yards, and at least 6" low at 300 yards...
I had the same problem with a new AR-15. Kept shooting higher and higher or lower and lower. Was all over the place. Finally took it to a gunsmith and he took the barrel off - the barrel extension had a crack in it. Factory defect. DPMS had me send the barrel in and they sent me a new one. Very frustrating. Used a lot of ammo trying to get the barrel with the cracked extension sighted-in.
I'm still developing my relationship with my 25-06. I sacrificed an R700 XHR 30-06 to build it. I have the 1.4" Kreiger M24 contour as the blank and had it cut to 24" and a recessed crown. The barrel work and blueprinting the action was done by Spartan Rifles. For the trigger I went with a Timney Calvin Elite, chassis is by Magpul, and glass is a PST Gen 2 mildot. My present ammo is 90 grain pointed soft point at 3385 fps. I zero at 100, and my drop at 300 is 9.7" and at 400 I drop 23.3". I go transconic at 725 yards. For hunting season I'll move to 120 grain Core-lokt if I trust my build by November. Otherwise I'll continue with my 6.5 Creedmoor and 143 grain ELDX.
.25-06 should be well entrenched in the top 10 most popular cartridges. Why it isn't common as dirt is a huge mystery. It must be the .25 caliber part. .243/6mm on one side, and .264/6.5mm on the other side being super popular while .25 caliber just wallows in almost obscure status is incomprehensible. How is it that the relatively recent 6.5mm CM is selling rifles and ammo like popcorn, while .25-06 has failed to inspire consumers in recent years? .25-06 kills deer size game at maximum ranges as well as the biggest of the magnums, and is probably one of the finest heavy varmint cartridges ever designed. Fickle bunch we are.
Some people really need to Understand what you say, cuz I Know FOR A FACT YOU ARE TELLING IT LIKE IT IS EXACTLY !! THANK YOU SIR !!
Sometimes, if you've verified the velocity several times, and the bullet is impacting higher at 300 yards than your ap says, you might need to adjust your BC. It may be higher than advertised. Once all your inputs are correct, the ap will work for drop and windage. It's fun getting it all figured out...if you have enough ammo. LOL
I ran the numbers using double the B.C. value and trajectory still didn't come close to this!
Great videos, Ron. Since the top of the butt plate of the stock is below the plane of the barrel, torque is created upon ignition, resulting in muzzle jump. Muzzle jump can be overcome either by holding on to the rifle as it fires, or, if your’re using the padded rest from the bench, by exerting downward pressure on top of your scope with your left hand. As you pointed out, your point of impact will be different if you shoot off of sticks without a firm grip on the foreend. BC isn’t an issue at 300 yards with a hot load like that.
I think you're right, Scott. And today's test off the bench largely confirmed it. But portable cross sticks and plain knees/elbows sitting support matched up surprisingly well. Video coming soon.
I was thinking the same thing as soon as he pulled the trigger my no 1 has a heavy barrel and doesn't move.
It's obviously those special rocket propelled bullets. They are still showing an impressive smoke trail. I need some for hunting out west.
I'm glad you're happy, without a patched target I'm having trouble following. 😅
No need to use the Hammer bullets to work out an unrelated variable such as pressure on the stock. The cheapest bullet you can get will tell you that.
And you're kinda doing what we all know better than doing, zeroing based on shots rather than groups. You said it yourself, it could be an outlier in a 3 MOA group.
Sure could, Steffen. I went another round with it today and believe I've found the final solution. Stay tuned.
My 25 chamber was .100 short, and doesn't like high psi loads backed them off a grain or so now stacks them, love the 75 and 87 grain bullets
At 400 yards, you’re shooting quite a bit more uphill too. That’s bound to have a little effect.
I investigated that in my long version of this video on RSOTV.com. Wasn't the issue.
That in my opinion is where it is. I think your just getting high enough to effect it.
My favorite one is Ruger mark ‼️ SS all wether in 25-06 and a H&R single shot break action 25-06 both good for pronghorn in the Desert N.M.
Ron going by this video I would say that this rifle shoots best after one fouler. I wouldn't clean it (with in reason) and just hunt with it with a fouler in the barrel. Thanks for sharing!
Guess in the end, you will need to reload. So much for trying to avoid that. lol Shoot straight. Love that rifle and the .25-06 in general.
Loaded the last of my Hammer bullets. Deer hunting this weekend!
@@RonSpomerOutdoors Shoot straight! Good Luck!
I have a Ruger Number 1 in 25 06. I was getting two groups with 5 shot groups, one about 3/4 of an inch from other group , left and right. Free floated the forearm, the two groups became one under an inch.
Congrats Joey. Good work. Doesn't it feel great when you tune a rifle to perform!
Right on
Ron, not questioning your ability and intellect by any means, just leaving you with my input.
That steel target on the hill is definitely 10 degrees plus maybe 15 degrees off level. I was taught to shoot low when shooting uphill or downhill based on the arc of the bullet. In the hills I’m not always right with my first shot, but I’ve never missed the second after I recalculate and drop those crosshairs just a touch.
Scope hight looks higher than normal? If I remember correctly the mid range trajectory will be higher and shots will drop less than expected at range? Agree with irregular barrel pressure being a big issue.
Scope measures 1.5 inches above bore.
3/4 Baltic birch or apple ply top it is sturdy
Need a faster twist rifle with the new 133gr or 135gr Bergers. The quaterbore is finally modernized.
Neat to see the shockwave or whatever it is on the angle from behind when you shoot.
That is known as a bullet trace. Some call it a vapor trail. It's extra visible with Hammer bullets because there is machining oil left in the hollow nose after manufacturing. I like it!
@@RonSpomerOutdoors It's super cool to see it. It's even visible after going through the target until it hits your backstop. That's a smoking fast load too!
Your bullet is still rising at 200 yards and just starting to fall at 300 yards on the very flat curve, therefore, a perfect sight in. I sighted my Remington 700 30.06 in a little high at 300 yards and have shot caribou at 500 yards putting the cross hairs about 1 foot above the back hitting the top of the lungs about 6 inches below the bottom of the back bone, perfect shot, instant kill. There was nothing wrong with your rifle. I have a 3 X 9 Leupold scope as you have on yours.
I want that rifle so bad. Love the 25-06