I don’t understand the people complaining about the bullet weights not being the same. The whole point is to compare bullets people would most likely be using, in 06, 150 - 180gr, with 150 being the most popular where I live. I personally like 165, because my rifle likes them. Most people I know with a 270 are using 130gr. Sure 150 is available, but not the common choice here. The 25-06 I haven’t seen anyone near me use since the 70s. So, to me, this comparison would be typical of a deer camp. A lot of guys get all butt hurt because a test “ wasn’t fair” because bla bla bla, when , in fact, it’s exactly what you’d expect to see in the field. I certainly don’t see where any were the “ loser” that’s for sure. It’s a deer, not a tank. At real hunting ranges that most get or would take a shot, the old 30-30 still works just fine. It doesn’t matter how you compare or how much you spend, someone is going to whine. Thanks for taking the time to do this.
@@AlaskanBallistics oh I bet! And, to me, the funniest part of all that noise is, 99% can’t shoot well enough to take advantage of a smidge more accuracy past 500yds, most have never even shot that far! Nobody says your XX rifle is not good, it’s yours, it perfect. Some just have to feel they have the absolute best of something, and rifles is not the place for that, because there isn’t one. Just because someone on the internet says “ ...is the best “ doesn’t mean anymore than me saying it. And no matter what a guy chooses, someone will sh*t on it. If not caliber than brand name. It’s never ending. I wonder , when all there was was black powder muzzle loaders how those poor people survived.
Exactly. Comparing the same weight bullets in different calibers is a terrible parameter to test by. Using the same BC bullets is a much better comparison of performance.
I grew up in the mountains of West Virginia. When I was 15, I wanted a 30/30 lever action so bad I could taste it. All my buddies had one. My dad took me to get a rifle that year (1985). We looked at a Marlin 336 in 30/30. Had my heart set on it, but my dad said “Let’s look at that Savage 110 30-06.” He ended up buying me that Savage. He told me it was a much better caliber. I took several deer in WV with it. He was wise beyond imagination. Unfortunately, my dad passed away 6 years ago. Some day I will shoot and elk and a moose with that rifle. I only wish he could be here to see it through.
Grew up in West Virginia also had the luck to shoot all three I never had a deer to get away from any 3 of these cartridges I have a ultra light 270 that is my favorite kicks like a mule because it's light but it has put a lot of deer in the daisies I also have a 7mm mag and same goes for it but it's a bear to carry all day shot placement to me is all that matters, imo.
David, This fellow Hunter very Sorry for your Loss. Your Father Steered you to the Right do all, caliber ,no matter what others want to debate. It is the Threshold of Recoil, to which most shooters can handle just fine, " without tensing up inside ,anticipating the Jolt recieved from Recoil, like most certainly, " DO" , From 300 Win Mag, and 338 mag. Be Confident and proud to Carry it afield! This caliber has been used on Brown Bear with 180 grn bullets for many years; way back in History the 172 grn , by Western Tool and Copper was used just fine. Now Go out and Change a Deer or Elks zip code with your Rifle.
My father has been shooting 30-06 since the 1970’s. As a kid, I always followed in dad’s footsteps. He gave me a Marlin MR-7 chambered in 30-06 for Christmas in 1999. I always wanted to be like my dad and that’s why I ended up with the ol’ 06. Excellent rifle, excellent cartridge. I don’t know how many more deer seasons we’ll have together based on his age, but I’ll always carry that Marlin rifle.
@@AlaskanBallistics I have a Stainless Tikka T3 lite in .270 Win. Developed an accurate load in an afternoon with IMR4350 (muzzle velocity standard deviation 4.6 fps based on Magnetospeed chronograph). Pros: very light, I mounted the scope directly to the receiver dovetail using Warne Maxima rings that have a recoil lug to take advantage of the Tikka/Sako optiloc system. Inexpensive: $700 at Sportsmans in Fairbanks. Smooth action, good trigger. Very accurate for a relatively inexpensive rifle. With stainless should be good in rain. Cons: Lots of plastic. Plastic stock with no aluminum bedding block, plastic magazine, plastic bolt release, plastic trigger guard, etc. It would cost more than the rifle to upgrade the plastic with after market parts. It will be interesting to see how the Tikka .270 shoots compared to my 1976 Remington 700 in .270 Win. but below zero all this week up here in the interior, so brass prep inside, no shooting outside.
That’s exactly what I’ve been using since the day I first started hunting years ago. It was my grandpa’s gun and handed down to me, and I still use it to this day I have never missed a deer and they have always gone down right where I hit them.
I've short you 30-06 for 35 years and have used 150 gr for everything from deer to moose , If I put my crosshairs on it it dies ! took my last moose @ 475 yards , broke his elbow and threw its heart ! dropped instantly!
.25-06 is the most underrated cartridge of all time. It's fast as hell, accurate, and packs an impressive punch at 120gr. You can even go up to elk as long as you shoot well. That said, the .30-06 is one of the most versatile hunting rifles, and you can't go wrong. In the end, I still end up preferring the 25-06. Main reason is that I hunt for food. A .25-06 is going to do far less damage to valuable meat in a shoulder shot. Plus, even at 120gr, the kick feels like a playful push. I'll keep my rem 700 .25-06 until the day i die.
Here in eastern WVA I’ve been around all three calibers and we certainly bought Remington, due to the availability and affordability. I’ve personally killed buck at 400 yards with the 270 130 grain. And my brother killed a 13 pointer with his 25-06 last season at just over five hundred. All the old timers here us the 30-06 and never heard of issues with any of the three. Nice video .
I've shot 30-06 with the 150 grain core-lokt for 25 years. Alabama / SE USA Whitetail deer mostly. The longest I ever had to track a deer using this combo was about 70 yards. For the game I am pursuing, there is no choice in my opinion for sheer stopping power. With good shot placement, the '06 and the core-lokt put them down quickly and with minimal suffering.
Good choice grain you need to test the old fashion win power point 150 I tested them extensively in a old mauser. I was shooting 300 yds , my bullet holes were all pretty much touching them I turned the mussel on a telephone pole at 300 .it was a big 16 inch diameter pole ,it went right through it twice. That's when I switched from180 to 150gr.and to winchester also good exit holes in deer.
I have dropped 5 moose with the .25-06, 1 with .270 and 4 with .30-06 over the last 30 years. (Albeit I have used my .375 Ruger and .300winmag for at least 7 between them) and for wolves and Black Bear I have had best luck with my .25-06 using 115gr Nosler Partitions handloaded over 49gr of IMR 4350. ANYHOW, they ALL DIED. Just find a rifle between .243 win and .375 Ruger that you can afford to shoot/practice with lots , and that the rifle/optics fit you well. A small accurate shot to the vitals is better than a powerful shot in the ass.
For the moose, if I used 25-06 then it was 100gr TSX. For bear I use 115gr partition. In 375 Ruger, I use 250gr GMX bullets from hornady for almost everything. Literally picture perfect mushrooms on a monometal bullet. I also like the 235gr Speer HorCor bullets. They are actually a tough bullet. Great penetration and mushroom. I had someone give me 8 boxes of 250gr GMX to reload and I have been using them for about 4 years. They are devastating on big game.
I hunt with the 30-06 ,my father hunts with a 270 and hunting buddy uses the 25-06 , the main advantage of 30-06 you can use the heavy weight bullets for bigger game , I use a 180 grn in my 30-06 I think personally if you hunt deer you will not notice anything difference between the the three ,just put the right bullet in the right place and it will do the job , if a wanted a predator and deer rifle the 25-06 would be my first choice, as a mountain long range sheep Rifle it would have to be the 270 , deer and bigger game rifle where’s there’s bears about it would have to be the 30-06 ,but I like them all to honest, many thanks chuck 👍
Distance on different calibers,eg 800m+ is where the test should start, including bullet drop and penetration.throphy hunting vs biltong hunting =the grain and tipe of the bullet. Like copper vs lead.That is my view of hunting.Range shooting is not hunting, so what experience do you have at the range to get familiar with your rifle and have a Trust Relationship?I have mine,put my 270 to the test.
30-06 is by far my favorite of these rounds. It is a great all around round enough energy to do whatever you really need to and a good flat shooting cartridge.
25-06 actually predates the 30-06 the round was changed slightly by Remington and renamed the 25-06. The 30-06 was developed because the 25-06 just didn't quite have enough energy at a distance. I can't remember what the 25-06 was called I believe it was its creators last name.
Exactly. When I was a kid, the majority of hunters we knew had 1 or two rifles at the most, and a shotgun and a 22. They didn’t do a week long assessment of what caliber was optimum for the particular hunt, they grabbed the deer rifle and went out and killed a deer. This may be the age of too much information, making a simple thing into a boondoggle.
The Core Lokt has long had a reputation as one of the best of the price point bullets. Several generations of hunters have been reliably getting their annual deer with those exact 270 and 30-06 loads. For the guy who buys 1 box of ammo every 2 years and wants to stick with the familiar, they are great. I agree that most Rem products seem to have gone downhill after Freedom Group took over, and of course they destroyed the company financially. For my money, i will stay with 30-06, although the 25-06 has long interested me for predators and long range varmints, if i ever get into that. The 270 has never blown my skirt up, but i will admit it is a good cartridge. You can't argue with real-world success. Your test makes sense, despite the naysayers. Each load represents the "standard" or most common bullet weight in the cartridge. So it makes sense to test them. Btw, i always love ut when u insert the still of the eagle. He is looking down as though he is thinking, "What the H are those wingnuts doing down there?". Always makes me chuckle.
Can't argue with that. When I reload I try to use Core-lokt bullets. I am a little worried with Remington going under and not being able to get them in the future. I came into a 99 Savage in .243 and did not want to reload for it but wanted to hunt with it. Bought 1 box each of the "Big three" big game ammo. Federal, Winchester, and Remington. I tried the Federal and got about an 8" spread @ 100 yards. The extraction was "Sticky" from receiver spring. First time I ever had that in any type of gun. Same thing with the Winchester. I was almost ready to give up, but tried the Remington. Group went right down to about an inch or less. The extraction was two finger smooth. I have drifted into "Super bullets" when reloading, but soon lose interest in them. Either they are barely accurate or I don't trust them to open up consistently.
@@oldgoat1890 -I love my 99 in 308. Early 60's if i had to guess- it has the awful pressed checkering. Would like to have another one in a diff chambering. The 300 Savage would be a little redundant, great carteidge though it is. So a 243 or maybe a 250 Savage would be the way to go. Or a 358 win if i could ever fibd one. Glad you found a good load for yours. I woukdn't worry to much- Sig bought the Rem ammo operation. I'm sure it will resume production soon. It will likely get even better, with investment by Sig.
Good review, thank you. I cannot deny the effectiveness of the 270 or the 30-06, but the 25-05 was and is still my choice for most hunting. The flat trajectory, low recoil, yet still devastating punch are what sold me. However, I do pull out my 7mm Rem Mag, another flat shooter, for elk, for that added margin. Note that I planned ahead, knowing that I wanted a 7mm Rem Mag for elk, when I purchased my 25-06. I was not looking for one cartridge to do everything. I much later purchased a .223 for little bitty critters. Joe
Thanks for the shoutout! That was pretty poor performance from Remington on that 25-06 and .270 ammo. Maybe it’ll get better when the new owners take over or at least we can hope. I have the T/C Venture in .270. Pretty accurate and smooth running rifles.
I own all three of these rifle calibers and live and hunt in AZ. My .25--'06 is my go Coues deer rifle. I flip flop between between .270 and. 30-'06 and a 7 MM Rem. Mag. for elk. The reality is that they are all great if you find the right load that shoots well in your rifle, and rifles are picky. The differences are mostly dancing on the head of a pin.
Every lot of ammunition may perform differently, the .270 is rated at about 3060 FPS in the 130 grain bullet. I have seen other tests where the 130 grain .270 outperformed the 30-06 in penetration. Last hunting season I used my Winchester model 70 XTR Featherweight for the first time using the Remington 130 grain Core Lokt. I shot a buck broadside at 50 yards. Just above the front leg for a perfect heart shot. The buck ran over a 100 yards. I did have a good blood trail to the buck. I noticed no exit hole on the opposite side. I usually have deer drop like lightning when I use my .300 WSM. I might just take a neck shot next time so I don’t have to walk extra.
Same here, 32 special from 12 til 15 then started using 30-06 with 1 oddball year I used a .308 then went back to 30-06, 50 years old now with plenty of guns but still my go to & favorite
According to the job at hand, what tool you use. In my area there aren't a lot of dangerous game. For Whitetail and meat on the table 25-06. Doesn't destroy the meat. Good varmint round. 30-06 is a do it all caliber due to loads and bullet weights. In my limited knowledge if one caliber for everything 30-06. For Alaska, for sure out of these three 30-06. Tried and true! Don't fix it if it ain't broke. 30-06 is king here for sure. Nice job! Keep'em coming!
3 outstanding cartridges. I have all 3 and because of the longer and heavier bullets now available for the 25-06, it is for sure my favorite of this trio. Good video 😊
@@AlaskanBallistics yes sir. I put that barrel on a 1909 Argentine Mauser action and had a custom wooden stock made for it. I did the rest of the work to get it scope ready as well as anything else to improve the accuracy. I love how this gun looks and shoots.
A 25-06 shoots much flatter and the accuracy is spot on I shot mine at 100yds put 4 shots in the bullseye that you could cover with a dime. I has killed more deer and coyotes sense I purchased it in 1976 in Fort Scott, Ks. My Son killed a deer at 300+yds dropped in its tracks half its hart on the ground shooting a 17gr ballistic tip boat tail. Did you know it has been labeled the unbelted magnum?
@@AlaskanBallistics haha! Yup they aren't big and the terrain is really hilly so even if the field is large you're unlikely to get a shot over 200-250 yards.
I've been using core lokt 130 gr in 270 and 150 gr 30 06 on whitetails for 38 years. It has always been excellent. Also have taken 2 mule deer with the 30 06 in in 150 gr. Thanks for sharing I enjoyed the video.
The best comparison would use the best bullet in a given caliber, not the same grain for each. That shows the true potential of the calibers.The 25-06 has an over bore issue that really needs longer barrels and slow burn powder. GunBlue490 is one the best sources I've found for hunters seeking information.
I think they’d all kill a deer with a well placed shot! I’m partial to the .270 and have seen it drop deer in their tracks, but I love the bullet weight options of the 30’06! The 165 gr and 180 gr offer so many more game options.
Yes I like reloading. That's why I chose the 30.06. I don't plan on doing a lot of target shooting. But I'm getting old and I haven't been hunting in over 20 years. Looks like I'm going to have to shoot someone's 🐮 cow. I will use a 220 gran at 25 yard's with a overcharged recipe.. 😂 lololol 😂😅
I haven't seen one bullet from any manufacturer that mushrooms as well as Remington Core Lokts. The Core-Lokt bullet isn't a bonded bullet and that is why occasionally you will have jacket/core separation but you still get a great mushroom. Hopefully, Vista Outdoors will continue to provide the old-time Core-Lokt deadliest mushroom in the woods technology and not jazz it up with advertising hype with little performance like most of the so-called high tech bonded hunting bullets of today. I am happy that Ruger acquired Marlin and will most likely continue Marlin's long history of successes after Remington sabotaged the outstanding Marlin X7 rifles with crappy barrels to increase their 783 rifle sales. Remington also sabotaged the Marlin semi-auto .22 rifles by using crappy springs that fail over time. Thanks for the great videos, always informative and enjoyable.
Let's see.. federal terminal ascent, norma oryx, hornady gmx, barnes ttsx, and lrx all have better mushrooms or controlled expansion than the Remington. Even the Winchester powerpoints have been more accurate for me and held together despite actually going at decent .270 velocities
For whitetail deer here in Indiana my family and I use 100 grain .243, 130 grain .270, 138 grain .308, and 150 grain .30-06 I can honestly say everyone of them are very affective it really just depends on the shooter and their preference. The key to success is being comfortable with your rifle and making a well placed shot.
Being that the 270 and the 25.06 are some of the children of the 30.06, I would expect no less than exceptional performance. I've reloaded Hornady's 180 grain SPBT at 2652 FPS, through a Remington 7600. I like it, inch and a half groups at 100 yards, two inch groups at 200. No complaints here.
270 Sako A7 shooter here but I like my Ruger American 30-06 as well. It’s just a little to much kick out of such a lightweight rifle. But I’m practicing. Great video.👍🏼
The best bullet weight I've found in 30+ years with the 270 is 140 grains. I'm currently using the Accubond bullet, which tends to hold together better and penetrate deeper, while still expanding well. The '06 is really best with 165 to 180 grain bullets.
Agreed. I had 180gr accubond .30-06 fail to expand at 250 yards in a caribou. It was going 2600 out of that gun, handloaded. The new accubond long range in my 6.5 creedmoor and 6.5x284 Norma video did well though
Thumbs up on the SST's very accurate stopped a doe at 193 yards from my stand have been the most accurate, 150 gr bullet weight. I hunt over a power line right of way. Long shots are available would feel comfortable at 400 with light wind.
I have a 25/06and 30/06. Reloaded for both. Real simple. Range goes to 25. Stopping goes to 30. Both of my REM.s Are hole for hole from bench, at 100yrds. I have used my beanfield gun out to 600 and change 117 gr pill. YOTE DRT. Have not shot over 300 w/ the 30. Most have been dead under 60yrds of running. BUT, my favorite, 350r mag in the 600 tamahawk. Haven’t shot past. 80yrds yet, all have dropped in their tracks.
There used to be a video on here where a 16 year old shot a huge grizzly in Alaska with 2 shots of 180grain core lokt 30-06 and it worked exceptionally good!
Good video! I found a pair of 5.75 pound Forbes 24B's, one in in 25-06 and the other a 30-06 and have been using them a lot. They have 24" barrels and I am shooting 120 Speer BTSP's at 3075fps with RL 25 in the 25-06 and 115 grain TSX bullets at 3010 with RL22 for a grizzly defense round. I have gone with 150 A-bonds at 3050 (H-4350)and 180 A-Bonds at 2815 (Stabal 6.5) in the 30-06. The 25-06 has 35% less recoil, keeps 1200 Ft Pounds to 550 yards and has been absolute death on caribou as far away as I can hi them. Past 300 yards the killing power reduces a bit with the 25-06 but penetration goes up with the Speers. Both get into .75 MOA. If it wasn't for the occasional grizzly in the mountains all I'd ever use for caribou and sheep is the 25-06. The 30-06 only edges away when things get big and/or toothy, also the extra 30-06 energy helps past 400 yards but proper bullet placement is very easy with the 25-06. Still looking for a Forbes in 270 or 280 that might really come up the middle.
@@AlaskanBallistics I had to be careful. The Forbes both have short throoats and the Hodgdon book maximums are quite a bit over what I can feed in my rifles. Thank goodness for a good chronograph.
Yeah, that is why i always use heavy for caliber, slower high sectional density bullets anymore... 165 or 180's in 308 and 30-06 just work everytime without fail on elk, deer and antelope... 150's for the 270 work on everything as well. Excellent video and that is an excellent analog imo... Thanks for the vid.
I live in south Africa,taken all the plains game with my .270 love the round all just a personal choice,also have a .300win so wouldn't bother with the 3006.👍
I like all 3 a great deal. My 25-06 REM rifle is a Sako 75, go to load is a 90 grain Hornady GMX handload at 3150 FPS. My 270 WIN rifle is a Sako 85, my go to load 140 grain Hornady SST handload at 2980 FPS. My 30-06 SPRG is a Sako 75 and my go to load for it is a 165 grain Nosler accubond at 2850 FPS. My go to rifles most of the time.
I love seeing people review the 25-06. For deer use 117 sst. Have never had one take a 2nd step. Same with hogs. Neck shot a 300lb hog as I figured the bullet wouldn’t make it through the shoulder. Cut the hide around the neck and the head popped off. Never got to test it on an Elk, but I do have some annealed 117sst for when I get a shot in on one. Terminal ballistics research says annealing the round makes the tip mushroom instead of fragment
Over the last 55 yrs I have used many rifle calibers for medium to large elk size game. I love my 30-06. For what it can do without magnum recoil. There are so many calibers now with bullets designed for a special purpose. A large group of calibers can be designed for special needs. That's great and if peple
I guess it really depends on what it is that you’re shooting at ,if you’re shooting a deer as a rule of thumb some thing 100 yards or less does the job, and for that you can use a 30-30 , I have the 270 and the 30 -06 and out of all , the 30-06 wins,,, interesting video👍
Thanks for this video I've been shooting the 270 130 grain core lock. And now I'm going to switch to Hornady .or federal ammo the powder charge wasn't there should be a lot closer to 3000 fps . Thanks again
Yea there’s no way the velocity should have been faster for the 30-06 with a heavier projectile.. I only own a 270 I’ve tried several brands but not any Barnes bc I can’t really find it ima have to try and order some online
I've taken deer with 25 & 30 06's and I've skinned several taken with 270 . Your test basically supports what I've seen and why I use 25-06 exclusively for deer now . I eat what I kill and I detest meat loss due to overkill . If I use 30-06 , i use a tough 180 grain because it punches through , kills the deer without blood shotting half of the animal . I'm sure 150 .270 would do the same . Saw a deer killed with 270 using the original Nosler ballistic tip in 130 that the deer literally was cut in two one the skin was removed . ( hit through both front shoulders ). I use a 100 grain Nosler partition that I load to 3100 fps and I feel like I'm gaining at least 10-15% more of usable meat compared to the deer killed with 270/30-6 using the bullets you've presented . Luv your channel Chuck ! Keep this useable info flowing Brother .
I will for sure. I agree about the meat loss, though I'm sure it's more about the ballistic tip ammo than the .270 itself. I killed my caribou this year with a 6.5 creedmoor instead of my 7mm Rem Mag. I use barnes lrx in both. But this year's meat has a whole lot less meat damage.
Was definitely interesting with the velocity of the 2506. I like all 3 and use all 3. 2506 and 270 are pretty tied in what Ive done with them as far as ground checking deer and hogs.
The reason I don't like short barrels! Defeats the purpose of a rifle! I agree with other comments, at least 24" barrel on the 25-06! They aill will do the job though! Not imprssed with the ammo at all! "KEEP ON KEEPIN ON"!!
25.06 for me but depends on what your hunting. The 25.06 120 grain sierra's is what I use. Very simular to core lock. Great round for coyotes and deer. Im sure it would do fine on larger animals.
To be honest I don’t think any deer is going to run off laughing if it gets hit be either of these 3. With proper bullet placement I fail to see any cartridge better than another if less than or equal to 300 yards. Many experienced hunters would agree 300 yards to be the longest ethical distance, based upon energy for whitetail deer. All as we all should know are extremely capable cartridges within this 300 yard range. I would say the 25-06 and .270 are going to be the flattest shooting at up to 300 yards IMOHO. Thanks for the video my friend. Shoot safely everyone and enjoy. 🇺🇸😎👍 .
Thanks Chuck. Freedom Group really screwed up Remington. Every since commie group bought Remington, they been on a downhill trip. Have a great day everyone. Stay Safe and GOD Bless 🙏🕊🇺🇸🦅
@Michael Gala the democrats are both. And the communists killed as many people as the Nazi's. Democrats want socialism, which is the very definition of Nazi. I don't like either party. I wrote in Rand Paul.
@@mrg09211976 the 30-06 killed commies all the way into the 70's.. The Tika made in Finland proven Arctic performance and adopted by the Inuits in Northern Canada, the great thing about the Fins is not just the small arms they produce but their OUTSTANDING record of killing commies.... taking Black bock out would be like shooting fish in a barrel, Just saying
@@AlaskanBallistics I could all most feel sorry for these over-educated and under-employed if it weren't for their dangerous romantic ideas, the kind of ideas that get people killed
My go to gun for the last 45;or so years has been the 280 Remington with various 150 grain hand loaded bullets. I can say that I’ve never had any reason to complain. This is for coyotes, white tails and elk.
Of course the 30-06 is the king among the most common standard cartridges. But the 270 outstrips it on targets over 250 yards. The 25-06 is almost forgotten. Anyway, the emperor is the 300 Win Mag. Thanks for such a well done test in all respects.
If you're comparing the most used bullets for deer hunting in the three different calibers, your point is very valid and makes perfect sense. If you wish to compare the equivalent bullets in each caliber starting as a basis 120 grains in 25-06, then, based on sectional density which is the true basis for comparison of different calibers, the weights change substantially. The equivalent .270 caliber bullet would weigh 140 grains and in .30 caliber the bullet would be in the area of 170 grains , 165 and 168 grains being the most common although slightly less in sectional density but substantially more potent than a 150 grains bullet. Sectional density is the true barometer for an apple to apple comparison of different calibers. I enjoyed your test, since it is based on most used bullet weights for a particular game animal it is very well done.
If sectional density was so important, wouldn't the 25-06 in this test done a better job than the other two? It did worse in fact. The other two had more momentum and penetrated deeper. And I think momentum really matters most when it hits a big hard bone. Sectional density probably matters more if the bullets were not deforming but staying streamline.
@@timbucker With premium bullets which these aren't, it is when you can have a more accurate or closer result showing the effects of sectional density as it relates to penetration. With "standard" deer bullets such as these, mass plays a bigger part.
I use 120 gr. 25-06 Remington core lock for Mule Deer. Takes them down. Just put the bullet where it belongs with most any calibers at reasonable distance.
30`06 150gr Hornady SST, power line shot @ 193 yard from stand, filled a doe tag, dropped on the spot. Have used core-lokt but my rifle wouldn't group, but used .303 British that worked well. Haven't harvested an animal yet as the old Enfield is a back up rifle. I hunt 4 hours from home so I bring extra stuff.
I have 4 of the most common calibers .308, 270 30.06 & 7mm & they've all performed beautifully but my tried & true which is also the only caliber I use now is the 30.06.
My ex wifes cousin lives in Colorado. Has a 700bdl in 308. Has only 1 box of 180 grn core lokts. 11 empty shell cases. 11 elk heads in his cabin. People keep telling him CLS are no good 😂
Yup. I’ve taken more deer with core-lokt than everything else combined. No, it may not give sub-MOA every round, but when the vast majority of game shots are less than 500 yards, a well-aimed vitals shot is still likely to get the job done. Plus, most of the modern “budget” rifles will give accuracy that could only be had by the most expensive rifles just 40 years ago. The high-power rifle game has gotten so much more fun in the past decade. New calibers, better rifles, high-tech ammunition and powders. Just plain fun.
I like heavy for game bullets. I used 180gr SP in .30-06 for years on whitetail. Works great and my shots were under 200yds. I later switched to 180gr PSP and they work well, too.
I used to have a remington 280 with a muzzle break. Loudest darn gun i have ever been around. I just got a remington 700 25-06 with a 26 inch bull barrel. I'm going to try an get a elk this year with it.
Ammo availability should be a concern today. 270 and 06 are definitely easier to find. 25 is great but needs longer barrel. Mine has 26 inch. FAST! Old guy, so recoil is easier on me. Remington corelock is not my first bullet for anything. Nosler makes better along with several other manufacturers. All 3 are still great for what they are intended for.
@@AlaskanBallistics It's mostly a cult caliber, either never heard of it or you become a fan. Wasn't that popular until powder got better. By then magnum mania had set in. Too bad the ammo shortage is still going on, better bullet choices would make for better comparisons, but as long as 25 is available at least you get to play with easy recoil. Maybe bullet head to head comparisons from different manufacturers. Have fun and be safe.
@@AlaskanBallistics Just had a good thought. Now you have 3 chamberings for the switch barrel. Maybe even 4 if you add 280 Remington. Great idea for us viewers, expensive for you. 😆
@@AlaskanBallistics It is a bit light for unexpected critters up there, somebody got a good choice for wife, kids though, even old guys like me. Stay safe, put out a couple hunting videos this year, will be waiting.
If I had any of the 3, I wouldn’t trade for either of the others. I prefer a .270 as an all purpose round. Being left handed, my choices were limited whenI bought my M77 mkII. No regrets.
Apparently Remington ammunition has gone way down hill. 270 Winchester could not hit 3000 FPS? I don't think the 22-inch Barrel has anything to do with that, possibly a little. My Mossberg Patriot with a 22-inch Barrel is pushing 3108, 3112, 3110, 3105, 3096 that is with Winchester Power Point 130 grain at 1450 a box at Walmart. Not the finest ammunition to be doing my testing with! I guess Remington is over with by now. I watch all your videos as you remind me a lot of myself with the way I test different ammo. I would like to see you do a video and I know it would cost a lot but breaking out some of the premium ammunitions ie hornaday, Federal Premium, Norma Etc thank you for all the work you put into doing these videos.
I agree never seen 270 Winchester ammunition run so underwhelming. I don’t think 6 more inches of barrel would help that lot of ammo. Seems to be a bogus charge. However I don’t think anyone would argue in favor of their quality control in the past decade or more.
I've done those ammunition brands in different calibers, except Norma. Not available on the shelf here. Though I've got some on order st a shop for the 6.5x284 Norma
Most factory 130gr loads from my .270 Win. 22” Featherweight do at least 3050fps. My moderate hand loads with the 135gr SMK do 2846fps on H4831, consistent .75” 3rd groups with no accuracy work done to the rifle, no free-float, trigger feels like it’s on safe no matter how hard I pull.
I like the 25 for recoil. I can drive a tack at 100 yds and would never be in a situation where I hunt to take a longer shot. But yes for ammo availability and power the 30 is king of this bunch.
Depends on what your hunting...I personally have a Thompson Venture in 25.06 that is great on southern Whitetails. I agree with what you said. I would go with the 30.06 with some Federal Fusions
Thanks Chuck. All well proven rounds. Remington seems to have these a butter under potential. All of these should be 100-200 fps. The 30/06 seems more adequate for larger game.
I also do in my Browning BAR MK3, but the SP version. I tried $50 ammo from Federal (blue tip), $50 Red Tip Winchester, Browning Ammo, and many others. The best group at 100 yards was the SP at just under 1 inch.
@@AlaskanBallistics it's a breakdown video currently on you tube 25.06 vs 6.5 creedmore. He does the ballistic comparison..and it's close but the 25.06 actually has just a little more velocity and little less drop at 200, 300,400yrd distances respectively. Ron Spomer outdoors .
@@AlaskanBallistics Im in southern Michigan. Ammo here is non existent in my area. I have a bar in 30.06 but find the 25.06 attractive because I'd like to hunt coyote and with such a small drop it should be point n shoot under 300yds. What's your favorite coyote caliber?
I've owned at one time 28 different calibers and reloaded for 33 calibers. I now own these calibers. 25-06, 7mm mag, 308, 30-06 and 8x57. Am I missing something here? Help me out, what else do I need. I'm from Pennsylvania. Deer and black bear are our big game. What else would I need??
@@AlaskanBallistics haha ok sounds good to me but I'll use what I have. It's where you put it that counts. I love these videos you post. All types of weather conditions. Great stuff keep em coming.
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I don’t understand the people complaining about the bullet weights not being the same. The whole point is to compare bullets people would most likely be using, in 06, 150 - 180gr, with 150 being the most popular where I live. I personally like 165, because my rifle likes them. Most people I know with a 270 are using 130gr. Sure 150 is available, but not the common choice here.
The 25-06 I haven’t seen anyone near me use since the 70s. So, to me, this comparison would be typical of a deer camp.
A lot of guys get all butt hurt because a test “ wasn’t fair” because bla bla bla, when , in fact, it’s exactly what you’d expect to see in the field. I certainly don’t see where any were the “ loser” that’s for sure. It’s a deer, not a tank. At real hunting ranges that most get or would take a shot, the old 30-30 still works just fine. It doesn’t matter how you compare or how much you spend, someone is going to whine.
Thanks for taking the time to do this.
Exactly!!! Go see how butthurt they are on my .243 vs. 6.5 creedmoor
@@AlaskanBallistics oh I bet! And, to me, the funniest part of all that noise is, 99% can’t shoot well enough to take advantage of a smidge more accuracy past 500yds, most have never even shot that far! Nobody says your XX rifle is not good, it’s yours, it perfect.
Some just have to feel they have the absolute best of something, and rifles is not the place for that, because there isn’t one.
Just because someone on the internet says “ ...is the best “ doesn’t mean anymore than me saying it.
And no matter what a guy chooses, someone will sh*t on it. If not caliber than brand name. It’s never ending.
I wonder , when all there was was black powder muzzle loaders how those poor people survived.
Exactly. Comparing the same weight bullets in different calibers is a terrible parameter to test by. Using the same BC bullets is a much better comparison of performance.
Agreed along with sectional density
Megastick good job smart.
I grew up in the mountains of West Virginia. When I was 15, I wanted a 30/30 lever action so bad I could taste it. All my buddies had one. My dad took me to get a rifle that year (1985). We looked at a Marlin 336 in 30/30. Had my heart set on it, but my dad said “Let’s look at that Savage 110 30-06.” He ended up buying me that Savage. He told me it was a much better caliber. I took several deer in WV with it. He was wise beyond imagination. Unfortunately, my dad passed away 6 years ago. Some day I will shoot and elk and a moose with that rifle. I only wish he could be here to see it through.
He was wise for sure 👍 thank you for sharing this.
Grew up in West Virginia also had the luck to shoot all three I never had a deer to get away from any 3 of these cartridges I have a ultra light 270 that is my favorite kicks like a mule because it's light but it has put a lot of deer in the daisies I also have a 7mm mag and same goes for it but it's a bear to carry all day shot placement to me is all that matters, imo.
David, This fellow Hunter very Sorry for your Loss. Your Father Steered you to the Right do all, caliber ,no matter what others want to debate. It is the Threshold of Recoil, to which most shooters can handle just fine, " without tensing up inside ,anticipating the Jolt recieved from Recoil, like most certainly, " DO" , From 300 Win Mag, and 338 mag.
Be Confident and proud to Carry it afield!
This caliber has been used on Brown Bear with 180 grn bullets for many years; way back in History the 172 grn , by Western Tool and Copper was used just fine. Now Go out and Change a Deer or Elks zip code with your Rifle.
Forgot to hit Thums up buddy!
My father has been shooting 30-06 since the 1970’s. As a kid, I always followed in dad’s footsteps. He gave me a Marlin MR-7 chambered in 30-06 for Christmas in 1999. I always wanted to be like my dad and that’s why I ended up with the ol’ 06. Excellent rifle, excellent cartridge. I don’t know how many more deer seasons we’ll have together based on his age, but I’ll always carry that Marlin rifle.
Never feel under gunned with .270. It's always my go to.
Cool i just got a tikka
@@AlaskanBallistics I have a Stainless Tikka T3 lite in .270 Win. Developed an accurate load in an afternoon with IMR4350 (muzzle velocity standard deviation 4.6 fps based on Magnetospeed chronograph). Pros: very light, I mounted the scope directly to the receiver dovetail using Warne Maxima rings that have a recoil lug to take advantage of the Tikka/Sako optiloc system. Inexpensive: $700 at Sportsmans in Fairbanks. Smooth action, good trigger. Very accurate for a relatively inexpensive rifle. With stainless should be good in rain. Cons: Lots of plastic. Plastic stock with no aluminum bedding block, plastic magazine, plastic bolt release, plastic trigger guard, etc. It would cost more than the rifle to upgrade the plastic with after market parts. It will be interesting to see how the Tikka .270 shoots compared to my 1976 Remington 700 in .270 Win. but below zero all this week up here in the interior, so brass prep inside, no shooting outside.
Yeah i just got the Wood stock version... gorgeous walnut.
@nmelkhunter1 I wish I had a .280 to test
I appreciate the thought.
I love 25-06 for whitetail. Strong, flat shooting, and almost no recoil.
It is a great round for sure!
I like your initials mate
I plan to buy a 270 but I will always have a special love for my ruger M77 Hawkeye 2506.
That’s exactly what I’ve been using since the day I first started hunting years ago. It was my grandpa’s gun and handed down to me, and I still use it to this day I have never missed a deer and they have always gone down right where I hit them.
Yep. I use 25.06. Hornady 117sst. 3110fps. Flat shooting and deadly.
Love my 25/06 . It kills nicely, don’t care how it compares to anything else.
What all have you shot with it?
@@AlaskanBallistics a lot of deer and elk
Nice what load do you use?
That, my friend, is all that matters!
I've never shot a 25-06 I was curious how much less kick do they have than a 30-06?
Basic ammo in a 30-06 will get most jobs done well !
Absolutely
3006 king
@@scripulance.1901 agreed!
Most jobs? All jobs except african big game. Scratch that apparently someone killed a elephant in africa with a 30-06
180 grain in 30-06 does great . Nice chanell wound ,blood trai dropped doe in Trax.
I've short you 30-06 for 35 years and have used 150 gr for everything from deer to moose , If I put my crosshairs on it it dies ! took my last moose @ 475 yards , broke his elbow and threw its heart ! dropped instantly!
I think you picked exactly the right weights for each calibre and I got exactly what information I wanted from your video. Thank you.
You're welcome. Thank you! Godspeed and good hunting!
.25-06 is the most underrated cartridge of all time. It's fast as hell, accurate, and packs an impressive punch at 120gr. You can even go up to elk as long as you shoot well.
That said, the .30-06 is one of the most versatile hunting rifles, and you can't go wrong.
In the end, I still end up preferring the 25-06. Main reason is that I hunt for food. A .25-06 is going to do far less damage to valuable meat in a shoulder shot. Plus, even at 120gr, the kick feels like a playful push. I'll keep my rem 700 .25-06 until the day i die.
It's definitely good. People use it for moose up here
@@AlaskanBallistics
No shit? Damn, now thats impressive.
Nice video, man. Super fun to see the differences in these cartridges.
Thanks man yeah 100gr barnes 110-120gr partitions will go right through a moose
30-06 is hilarious.....I never shoot it, but if I could only have one from coyotes to elephants, there is no more versatile than 30-06
@@AlaskanBallistics To be fair, I know a couple people that use 243 for moose up there.
Here in eastern WVA I’ve been around all three calibers and we certainly bought Remington, due to the availability and affordability.
I’ve personally killed buck at 400 yards with the 270 130 grain. And my brother killed a 13 pointer with his 25-06 last season at just over five hundred. All the old timers here us the 30-06 and never heard of issues with any of the three. Nice video .
Thank you for watching and the comment and good hunting to you.
I've shot 30-06 with the 150 grain core-lokt for 25 years. Alabama / SE USA Whitetail deer mostly. The longest I ever had to track a deer using this combo was about 70 yards. For the game I am pursuing, there is no choice in my opinion for sheer stopping power. With good shot placement, the '06 and the core-lokt put them down quickly and with minimal suffering.
Good choice grain you need to test the old fashion win power point 150 I tested them extensively in a old mauser. I was shooting 300 yds , my bullet holes were all pretty much touching them I turned the mussel on a telephone pole at 300 .it was a big 16 inch diameter pole ,it went right through it twice. That's when I switched from180 to 150gr.and to winchester also good exit holes in deer.
I have dropped 5 moose with the .25-06, 1 with .270 and 4 with .30-06 over the last 30 years. (Albeit I have used my .375 Ruger and .300winmag for at least 7 between them) and for wolves and Black Bear I have had best luck with my .25-06 using 115gr Nosler Partitions handloaded over 49gr of IMR 4350. ANYHOW, they ALL DIED. Just find a rifle between .243 win and .375 Ruger that you can afford to shoot/practice with lots , and that the rifle/optics fit you well.
A small accurate shot to the vitals is better than a powerful shot in the ass.
Like “they all died”
What bullet did you use for the moose? Thanks
For the moose, if I used 25-06 then it was 100gr TSX. For bear I use 115gr partition.
In 375 Ruger, I use 250gr GMX bullets from hornady for almost everything. Literally picture perfect mushrooms on a monometal bullet. I also like the 235gr Speer HorCor bullets. They are actually a tough bullet. Great penetration and mushroom. I had someone give me 8 boxes of 250gr GMX to reload and I have been using them for about 4 years. They are devastating on big game.
I've actually done a video on the .375 Ruger GMX great round
I wouldn't want to be a deer and get hit with any of them, that's for sure! Great video Chuck, be blessed brother!
I hunt with the 30-06 ,my father hunts with a 270 and hunting buddy uses the 25-06 , the main advantage of 30-06 you can use the heavy weight bullets for bigger game , I use a 180 grn in my 30-06 I think personally if you hunt deer you will not notice anything difference between the the three ,just put the right bullet in the right place and it will do the job , if a wanted a predator and deer rifle the 25-06 would be my first choice, as a mountain long range sheep Rifle it would have to be the 270 , deer and bigger game rifle where’s there’s bears about it would have to be the 30-06 ,but I like them all to honest, many thanks chuck 👍
Distance on different calibers,eg 800m+ is where the test should start, including bullet drop and penetration.throphy hunting vs biltong hunting =the grain and tipe of the bullet. Like copper vs lead.That is my view of hunting.Range shooting is not hunting, so what experience do you have at the range to get familiar with your rifle and have a Trust Relationship?I have mine,put my 270 to the test.
Right on I think they should discontinue all caliders and millameters, except 22 long ,22 hornet, 22-250, 3006, 338, and12 ga.
Haha. I love a lot more calibers than that.
Love my 6.5x284 it's sweet
@@JamesTaylor-gz8le you didn't mention a single caliber 🙄
@Tad Griffin 💥 💥 💥
A 25-06 really needs a 24” barrel to shine. It also helps the 270. It wouldn’t hurt the 30-06 either.
Yeah I agree but we had what we had though.
More twist on the barrels too, if they would make a 1-7.5twist 24" barrel & 160grain 25/06, it set the world on fire!!
Yes but I don't want to carry that gun all day up and down mnt and valleys.
2 inches of barrel doesn't make that big of a difference... I've hiked 150gr miles with an 11.5 pound rifle with scope... my most confident rifle.
30-06 excellent all around caliber.
I’ve heard that once or twice before.
Don’t apologize for the bullet weights. You picked exactly the right ones. It is the test I wanted to see. Great video, keep up the good work.
Thank you so much Doreen
30-06 is by far my favorite of these rounds. It is a great all around round enough energy to do whatever you really need to and a good flat shooting cartridge.
Agreed
25-06 actually predates the 30-06 the round was changed slightly by Remington and renamed the 25-06. The 30-06 was developed because the 25-06 just didn't quite have enough energy at a distance. I can't remember what the 25-06 was called I believe it was its creators last name.
Good to know
I'm traveling all the time so for me it 30-06 all the way. No matter where I am I can find 30-06.
A valid point. Good hunting
Except right now 25-06 is the only thing on the shelves in Alaska lol
@ Sarah Brunetto #Truth
I like .270 but 30-06 takes it in my book. My Garand and 03 springfield are a dream to shoot!
I need to shoot them next time I'm in Georgia
Pick'em. Shoot whatcha got, take a bit of time on the trigger and put'er dead center.
Yep
Exactly. When I was a kid, the majority of hunters we knew had 1 or two rifles at the most, and a shotgun and a 22. They didn’t do a week long assessment of what caliber was optimum for the particular hunt, they grabbed the deer rifle and went out and killed a deer. This may be the age of too much information, making a simple thing into a boondoggle.
@@megastick9324Yep... what you said...! Same for me.
The Core Lokt has long had a reputation as one of the best of the price point bullets. Several generations of hunters have been reliably getting their annual deer with those exact 270 and 30-06 loads. For the guy who buys 1 box of ammo every 2 years and wants to stick with the familiar, they are great. I agree that most Rem products seem to have gone downhill after Freedom Group took over, and of course they destroyed the company financially. For my money, i will stay with 30-06, although the 25-06 has long interested me for predators and long range varmints, if i ever get into that. The 270 has never blown my skirt up, but i will admit it is a good cartridge. You can't argue with real-world success. Your test makes sense, despite the naysayers. Each load represents the "standard" or most common bullet weight in the cartridge. So it makes sense to test them. Btw, i always love ut when u insert the still of the eagle. He is looking down as though he is thinking, "What the H are those wingnuts doing down there?". Always makes me chuckle.
Yeah that's one of my favorite photos
Can't argue with that. When I reload I try to use Core-lokt bullets. I am a little worried with Remington going under and not being able to get them in the future. I came into a 99 Savage in .243 and did not want to reload for it but wanted to hunt with it. Bought 1 box each of the "Big three" big game ammo. Federal, Winchester, and Remington. I tried the Federal and got about an 8" spread @ 100 yards. The extraction was "Sticky" from receiver spring. First time I ever had that in any type of gun. Same thing with the Winchester. I was almost ready to give up, but tried the Remington. Group went right down to about an inch or less. The extraction was two finger smooth. I have drifted into "Super bullets" when reloading, but soon lose interest in them. Either they are barely accurate or I don't trust them to open up consistently.
Try the barnes lrx.... best hunting bullet made
@@oldgoat1890 -I love my 99 in 308. Early 60's if i had to guess- it has the awful pressed checkering. Would like to have another one in a diff chambering. The 300 Savage would be a little redundant, great carteidge though it is. So a 243 or maybe a 250 Savage would be the way to go. Or a 358 win if i could ever fibd one. Glad you found a good load for yours. I woukdn't worry to much- Sig bought the Rem ammo operation. I'm sure it will resume production soon. It will likely get even better, with investment by Sig.
I quit shooting remington ammo ten years ago. I shoot federal through my rifles and winchester in my shotguns. Great video
Thank you. I shoot mostly barnes up here.
Good review, thank you. I cannot deny the effectiveness of the 270 or the 30-06, but the 25-05 was and is still my choice for most hunting. The flat trajectory, low recoil, yet still devastating punch are what sold me. However, I do pull out my 7mm Rem Mag, another flat shooter, for elk, for that added margin. Note that I planned ahead, knowing that I wanted a 7mm Rem Mag for elk, when I purchased my 25-06. I was not looking for one cartridge to do everything. I much later purchased a .223 for little bitty critters. Joe
I agree with your thinking completely.
Thanks for the shoutout! That was pretty poor performance from Remington on that 25-06 and .270 ammo. Maybe it’ll get better when the new owners take over or at least we can hope. I have the T/C Venture in .270. Pretty accurate and smooth running rifles.
You're welcome
Who is the new owner
I own all three of these rifle calibers and live and hunt in AZ. My .25--'06 is my go Coues deer rifle. I flip flop between between .270 and. 30-'06 and a 7 MM Rem. Mag. for elk. The reality is that they are all great if you find the right load that shoots well in your rifle, and rifles are picky. The differences are mostly dancing on the head of a pin.
Every lot of ammunition may perform differently, the .270 is rated at about 3060 FPS in the 130 grain bullet.
I have seen other tests where the 130 grain .270 outperformed the 30-06 in penetration. Last hunting season I used my Winchester model 70 XTR Featherweight for the first time using the Remington 130 grain Core Lokt. I shot a buck broadside at 50 yards. Just above the front leg for a perfect heart shot. The buck ran over a 100 yards. I did have a good blood trail to the buck. I noticed no exit hole on the opposite side. I usually have deer drop like lightning when I use my .300 WSM. I might just take a neck shot next time so I don’t have to walk extra.
Very true about lot numbers.
I've been shooting 30-06 since I was about 15 or 16. Just hard to beat.
It is
Same here, 32 special from 12 til 15 then started using 30-06 with 1 oddball year I used a .308 then went back to 30-06, 50 years old now with plenty of guns but still my go to & favorite
@VIKINGNORM nothing wrong with that
According to the job at hand, what tool you use. In my area there aren't a lot of dangerous game. For Whitetail and meat on the table 25-06. Doesn't destroy the meat. Good varmint round. 30-06 is a do it all caliber due to loads and bullet weights. In my limited knowledge if one caliber for everything 30-06. For Alaska, for sure out of these three 30-06. Tried and true!
Don't fix it if it ain't broke.
30-06 is king here for sure.
Nice job!
Keep'em coming!
Thank you brother. .
3 outstanding cartridges. I have all 3 and because of the longer and heavier bullets now available for the 25-06, it is for sure my favorite of this trio. Good video 😊
Sweet do you have the custom Twist rate in the 25-06?
@@AlaskanBallistics yes sir. I put that barrel on a 1909 Argentine Mauser action and had a custom wooden stock made for it. I did the rest of the work to get it scope ready as well as anything else to improve the accuracy. I love how this gun looks and shoots.
Sweet man
A 25-06 shoots much flatter and the accuracy is spot on I shot mine at 100yds put 4 shots in the bullseye that you could cover with a dime. I has killed more deer and coyotes sense I purchased it in 1976 in Fort Scott, Ks. My Son killed a deer at 300+yds dropped in its tracks half its hart on the ground shooting a 17gr ballistic tip boat tail. Did you know it has been labeled the unbelted magnum?
I got handloaded 130 grain 3006 rounds going 3220 avg fps they shoot flat as a 2506
Ttsx?
Sierra bthp 130 grain
Just thinking out loud. Now Ruger owns Marlin, how cool would it be to be able to get a 10/22 with the marlin micro groove barrel.
Ooooohhh
@@AlaskanBallistics
I would definitely buy a couple of those. I really like the ruger 10/22 but, not even close to the accuracy of my 2 model 60's
@@luketilley9137 agreed completely
25-06 is a great flat shooting round for my area! But 400 yards is unheard of even for farmers hunting from a combine.
Really? Those aree small fields
@@AlaskanBallistics haha! Yup they aren't big and the terrain is really hilly so even if the field is large you're unlikely to get a shot over 200-250 yards.
I've been using core lokt 130 gr in 270 and 150 gr 30 06 on whitetails for 38 years. It has always been excellent. Also have taken 2 mule deer with the 30 06 in in 150 gr. Thanks for sharing I enjoyed the video.
You're welcome thanks for watching!!!
25 06 is my go to whitetail rifle.
That's a good choice
The best comparison would use the best bullet in a given caliber, not the same grain for each. That shows the true potential of the calibers.The 25-06 has an over bore issue that really needs longer barrels and slow burn powder. GunBlue490 is one the best sources I've found for hunters seeking information.
I think they’d all kill a deer with a well placed shot! I’m partial to the .270 and have seen it drop deer in their tracks, but I love the bullet weight options of the 30’06! The 165 gr and 180 gr offer so many more game options.
I totally agree with you there!
@@AlaskanBallistics ,,,ññ
Yes I like reloading. That's why I chose the 30.06. I don't plan on doing a lot of target shooting. But I'm getting old and I haven't been hunting in over 20 years. Looks like I'm going to have to shoot someone's 🐮 cow.
I will use a 220 gran at 25 yard's with a overcharged recipe.. 😂 lololol 😂😅
I haven't seen one bullet from any manufacturer that mushrooms as well as Remington Core Lokts. The Core-Lokt bullet isn't a bonded bullet and that is why occasionally you will have jacket/core separation but you still get a great mushroom. Hopefully, Vista Outdoors will continue to provide the old-time Core-Lokt deadliest mushroom in the woods technology and not jazz it up with advertising hype with little performance like most of the so-called high tech bonded hunting bullets of today. I am happy that Ruger acquired Marlin and will most likely continue Marlin's long history of successes after Remington sabotaged the outstanding Marlin X7 rifles with crappy barrels to increase their 783 rifle sales. Remington also sabotaged the Marlin semi-auto .22 rifles by using crappy springs that fail over time. Thanks for the great videos, always informative and enjoyable.
Let's see.. federal terminal ascent, norma oryx, hornady gmx, barnes ttsx, and lrx all have better mushrooms or controlled expansion than the Remington. Even the Winchester powerpoints have been more accurate for me and held together despite actually going at decent .270 velocities
And the Remington's horrible standard deviation is a sign of low quality. I've even seen different colored primers in the same box of factory ammo!!!
For whitetail deer here in Indiana my family and I use 100 grain .243, 130 grain .270, 138 grain .308, and 150 grain .30-06 I can honestly say everyone of them are very affective it really just depends on the shooter and their preference. The key to success is being comfortable with your rifle and making a well placed shot.
Agreed completely sir... good hunting, n better eating
That’s the truth. Get comfy and familiar with what you have.
Being that the 270 and the 25.06 are some of the children of the 30.06, I would expect no less than exceptional performance. I've reloaded Hornady's 180 grain SPBT at 2652 FPS, through a Remington 7600. I like it, inch and a half groups at 100 yards, two inch groups at 200. No complaints here.
Nice 👌
Had them all, 3006 my first choice 300 yards, 270 second choice, 25 3rd , been loading 40 years, and shooting 50 this is for deer
270 Sako A7 shooter here but I like my Ruger American 30-06 as well. It’s just a little to much kick out of such a lightweight rifle. But I’m practicing. Great video.👍🏼
Thank you brother. Killed my first caribou with a .30-06 ruger American.
I'm a 270 guy BUT I wouldn't turn away from any of them.
Would like to see a 308 - 7mm08 and 6.5 Creed see how they compare
I've got a 6.5 vs 7mm-08 video
Dawg check. Go Browns
Never got Remington rifle ammo to shoot a satisfactory group in any rifle
Understand that
I have a few Remington rifles that shoot around moa with core lokt
Different rifles like different things
The best bullet weight I've found in 30+ years with the 270 is 140 grains. I'm currently using the Accubond bullet, which tends to hold together better and penetrate deeper, while still expanding well. The '06 is really best with 165 to 180 grain bullets.
Agreed. I had 180gr accubond .30-06 fail to expand at 250 yards in a caribou. It was going 2600 out of that gun, handloaded. The new accubond long range in my 6.5 creedmoor and 6.5x284 Norma video did well though
You are one of the few that when comparing calibers you select similar BC and SD which I think is the best comparison. Thank you.
I try to do so. Thank you
I like .30-06, killed 17 deer in my life with it,pretty devastating. SST'S AND BALLISTIC TIPS 165 GR
I'm glad it works great for you. Godspeed brother!!!
Thumbs up on the SST's very accurate stopped a doe at 193 yards from my stand have been the most accurate, 150 gr bullet weight. I hunt over a power line right of way. Long shots are available would feel comfortable at 400 with light wind.
I have a 25/06and 30/06. Reloaded for both.
Real simple. Range goes to 25.
Stopping goes to 30.
Both of my REM.s Are hole for hole from bench, at 100yrds. I have used my beanfield gun out to 600 and change 117 gr pill. YOTE DRT.
Have not shot over 300 w/ the 30. Most have been dead under 60yrds of running.
BUT, my favorite, 350r mag in the 600 tamahawk. Haven’t shot past. 80yrds yet, all have dropped in their tracks.
for caribou and smaller they will all kill but i prefer the 270 so that is my biased choice..
Nothing wrong with that
Geeze i like um all i find enjoyment in finding out everything i can about all the different calibers. We all have our faves.
Me too, i used to read Ballistics charts as a kid. I nerded it up!!!
There used to be a video on here where a 16 year old shot a huge grizzly in Alaska with 2 shots of 180grain core lokt 30-06 and it worked exceptionally good!
Cool let me know if you find a link
Good video! I found a pair of 5.75 pound Forbes 24B's, one in in 25-06 and the other a 30-06 and have been using them a lot. They have 24" barrels and I am shooting 120 Speer BTSP's at 3075fps with RL 25 in the 25-06 and 115 grain TSX bullets at 3010 with RL22 for a grizzly defense round. I have gone with 150 A-bonds at 3050 (H-4350)and 180 A-Bonds at 2815 (Stabal 6.5) in the 30-06. The 25-06 has 35% less recoil, keeps 1200 Ft Pounds to 550 yards and has been absolute death on caribou as far away as I can hi them. Past 300 yards the killing power reduces a bit with the 25-06 but penetration goes up with the Speers. Both get into .75 MOA. If it wasn't for the occasional grizzly in the mountains all I'd ever use for caribou and sheep is the 25-06. The 30-06 only edges away when things get big and/or toothy, also the extra 30-06 energy helps past 400 yards but proper bullet placement is very easy with the 25-06. Still looking for a Forbes in 270 or 280 that might really come up the middle.
Cool find. Good velocities
@@AlaskanBallistics I had to be careful. The Forbes both have short throoats and the Hodgdon book maximums are quite a bit over what I can feed in my rifles. Thank goodness for a good chronograph.
All of them, I love the -06 family bullets
They're all good for sure
Yeah, that is why i always use heavy for caliber, slower high sectional density bullets anymore... 165 or 180's in 308 and 30-06 just work everytime without fail on elk, deer and antelope... 150's for the 270 work on everything as well. Excellent video and that is an excellent analog imo... Thanks for the vid.
Thank you for watching brother!
I live in south Africa,taken all the plains game with my .270 love the round all just a personal choice,also have a .300win so wouldn't bother with the 3006.👍
I like all 3 a great deal. My 25-06 REM rifle is a Sako 75, go to load is a 90 grain Hornady GMX handload at 3150 FPS. My 270 WIN rifle is a Sako 85, my go to load 140 grain Hornady SST handload at 2980 FPS. My 30-06 SPRG is a Sako 75 and my go to load for it is a 165 grain Nosler accubond at 2850 FPS. My go to rifles most of the time.
Nice! What's the max charge on those 90gr gmx meme it go?
I always take out my Remington 760 30/06 and I love these rounds
I love seeing people review the 25-06. For deer use 117 sst. Have never had one take a 2nd step. Same with hogs. Neck shot a 300lb hog as I figured the bullet wouldn’t make it through the shoulder. Cut the hide around the neck and the head popped off. Never got to test it on an Elk, but I do have some annealed 117sst for when I get a shot in on one. Terminal ballistics research says annealing the round makes the tip mushroom instead of fragment
That'd be good because ssts are known to shatter I'll never use them again. Barnes ttsx
@@AlaskanBallistics yeah they blow when it strikes bone, but the terminal ballistics are insane on 150 to 200lb deer
I bet
I love the "Mirica" Eagle.
I LOVE all three rounds!!!
One of my favorite photos I've taken
Over the last 55 yrs I have used many rifle calibers for medium to large elk size game. I love my 30-06. For what it can do without magnum recoil. There are so many calibers now with bullets designed for a special purpose. A large group of calibers can be designed for special needs. That's great and if peple
People chose to do this. I just the 30-06 off the shelf and pay 20:00 and go hunting.
Definitely 30-06 big time.
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I guess it really depends on what it is that you’re shooting at ,if you’re shooting a deer as a rule of thumb some thing 100 yards or less does the job, and for that you can use a 30-30 , I have the 270 and the 30 -06 and out of all , the 30-06 wins,,, interesting video👍
Thanks for this video I've been shooting the 270 130 grain core lock. And now I'm going to switch to Hornady .or federal ammo the powder charge wasn't there should be a lot closer to 3000 fps . Thanks again
You're welcome. Shoot what ever your rifle likes best. For me it's the barnes lrx. 6.5 creedmoor absolutely slammed a cow caribou today at 282 yards.
Yea there’s no way the velocity should have been faster for the 30-06 with a heavier projectile.. I only own a 270 I’ve tried several brands but not any Barnes bc I can’t really find it ima have to try and order some online
@YoungDisciple90 the barnes 129gr LRX is what I like in the .270.
@@AlaskanBallistics thanks I’ll see if I can order some and try them out.
@YoungDisciple90 good luck
Good test. Matter of just pick one. Gun weight will differ also. A good factor to keep in mind also.
I've taken deer with 25 & 30 06's and I've skinned several taken with 270 .
Your test basically supports what I've seen and why I use 25-06 exclusively for deer now .
I eat what I kill and I detest meat loss due to overkill .
If I use 30-06 , i use a tough 180 grain because it punches through , kills the deer without blood shotting half of the animal . I'm sure 150 .270 would do the same .
Saw a deer killed with 270 using the original Nosler ballistic tip in 130 that the deer literally was cut in two one the skin was removed . ( hit through both front shoulders ).
I use a 100 grain Nosler partition that I load to 3100 fps and I feel like I'm gaining at least 10-15% more of usable meat compared to the deer killed with 270/30-6 using the bullets you've presented .
Luv your channel Chuck ! Keep this useable info flowing Brother .
I will for sure. I agree about the meat loss, though I'm sure it's more about the ballistic tip ammo than the .270 itself. I killed my caribou this year with a 6.5 creedmoor instead of my 7mm Rem Mag. I use barnes lrx in both. But this year's meat has a whole lot less meat damage.
Was definitely interesting with the velocity of the 2506. I like all 3 and use all 3. 2506 and 270 are pretty tied in what Ive done with them as far as ground checking deer and hogs.
Yeah not much difference in those 2
The reason I don't like short barrels! Defeats the purpose of a rifle! I agree with other comments, at least 24" barrel on the 25-06! They aill will do the job though! Not imprssed with the ammo at all!
"KEEP ON KEEPIN ON"!!
Agreed. Thank you for watching and the comments
They are all fantastic, and its nice to have different choices.
Very true
25.06 for me but depends on what your hunting. The 25.06 120 grain sierra's is what I use. Very simular to core lock. Great round for coyotes and deer. Im sure it would do fine on larger animals.
To be honest I don’t think any deer is going to run off laughing if it gets hit be either of these 3. With proper bullet placement I fail to see any cartridge better than another if less than or equal to 300 yards. Many experienced hunters would agree 300 yards to be the longest ethical distance, based upon energy for whitetail deer. All as we all should know are extremely capable cartridges within this 300 yard range. I would say the 25-06 and .270 are going to be the flattest shooting at up to 300 yards IMOHO. Thanks for the video my friend. Shoot safely everyone and enjoy.
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Depends on your skill level... 600 yards is my ethical distance. But i use a 7mm Rem Mag
Awesome video bro. I’d like to see the test, but just with the 30-06 with a few different 180gr. loads.
Just uploaded a video last week.
Slower but will kills everything, my choice
All are great guns I just love the power of the 3006 here in Pennsylvania perfect gun for anything!
Agreed. Godspeed and good hunting
Thanks Chuck. Freedom Group really screwed up Remington. Every since commie group bought Remington, they been on a downhill trip. Have a great day everyone. Stay Safe and GOD Bless 🙏🕊🇺🇸🦅
Investment banksters are messing the whole world up.
@Michael Gala the democrats are both. And the communists killed as many people as the Nazi's. Democrats want socialism, which is the very definition of Nazi. I don't like either party. I wrote in Rand Paul.
Wow you are absolutely brainwashed. Please leave America as you don't know or love freedom
@@mrg09211976 the 30-06 killed commies all the way into the 70's..
The Tika made in Finland proven Arctic performance and adopted by the Inuits in Northern Canada, the great thing about the Fins is not just the small arms they produce but their OUTSTANDING record of killing commies....
taking Black bock out would be like shooting fish in a barrel, Just saying
@@AlaskanBallistics I could all most feel sorry for these over-educated and under-employed if it weren't for their dangerous romantic ideas, the kind of ideas that get people killed
My go to gun for the last 45;or so years has been the 280 Remington with various 150 grain hand loaded bullets. I can say that I’ve never had any reason to complain. This is for coyotes, white tails and elk.
I wish I had one to test here on the channel
Of course the 30-06 is the king among the most common standard cartridges. But the 270 outstrips it on targets over 250 yards. The 25-06 is almost forgotten. Anyway, the emperor is the 300 Win Mag. Thanks for such a well done test in all respects.
If you're comparing the most used bullets for deer hunting in the three different calibers, your point is very valid and makes perfect sense.
If you wish to compare the equivalent bullets in each caliber starting as a basis 120 grains in 25-06, then, based on sectional density which is the true basis for comparison of different calibers, the weights change substantially. The equivalent .270 caliber bullet would weigh 140 grains and in .30 caliber the bullet would be in the area of 170 grains , 165 and 168 grains being the most common although slightly less in sectional density but substantially more potent than a 150 grains bullet. Sectional density is the true barometer for an apple to apple comparison of different calibers.
I enjoyed your test, since it is based on most used bullet weights for a particular game animal it is very well done.
Thank you. and i agree with your sectional density argument. They just didn't make these bullets in 140gr or 170gr, that i could find these days
If sectional density was so important, wouldn't the 25-06 in this test done a better job than the other two? It did worse in fact. The other two had more momentum and penetrated deeper. And I think momentum really matters most when it hits a big hard bone. Sectional density probably matters more if the bullets were not deforming but staying streamline.
@@timbucker With premium bullets which these aren't, it is when you can have a more accurate or closer result showing the effects of sectional density as it relates to penetration.
With "standard" deer bullets such as these, mass plays a bigger part.
I use 120 gr. 25-06 Remington core lock for Mule Deer. Takes them down. Just put the bullet where it belongs with most any calibers at reasonable distance.
Agreed
30`06 150gr Hornady SST, power line shot @ 193 yard from stand, filled a doe tag, dropped on the spot. Have used core-lokt but my rifle wouldn't group, but used .303 British that worked well. Haven't harvested an animal yet as the old Enfield is a back up rifle. I hunt 4 hours from home so I bring extra stuff.
Understand. Thanks for watching sir. Good hunting
I love the 30-06 Springfield round !!!!!!!!!!!!
I have 4 of the most common calibers .308, 270 30.06 & 7mm & they've all performed beautifully but my tried & true which is also the only caliber I use now is the 30.06.
Nice. It works
My ex wifes cousin lives in Colorado. Has a 700bdl in 308. Has only 1 box of 180 grn core lokts. 11 empty shell cases. 11 elk heads in his cabin. People keep telling him CLS are no good 😂
Yup. I’ve taken more deer with core-lokt than everything else combined. No, it may not give sub-MOA every round, but when the vast majority of game shots are less than 500 yards, a well-aimed vitals shot is still likely to get the job done. Plus, most of the modern “budget” rifles will give accuracy that could only be had by the most expensive rifles just 40 years ago. The high-power rifle game has gotten so much more fun in the past decade. New calibers, better rifles, high-tech ammunition and powders. Just plain fun.
Haha core locs are great. I have taken moose, brown bear, elk, and Caribou here in Alaska with them. 30-06 is my mistress
I like heavy for game bullets. I used 180gr SP in .30-06 for years on whitetail. Works great and my shots were under 200yds. I later switched to 180gr PSP and they work well, too.
Good to know. Godspeed. Thanks for watching and the comment!
.270 all day long. My favorite round by far
I used to have a remington 280 with a muzzle break. Loudest darn gun i have ever been around. I just got a remington 700 25-06 with a 26 inch bull barrel. I'm going to try an get a elk this year with it.
Nice what load are you using?
I'd love to have a .280
Nice. How do the 220 grain .30-06 perform?
We have been looking around for those and they have been sold out
@@AlaskanBallistics i know they weren't easy to find to begin with. My former in-laws used them for moose
Ammo availability should be a concern today. 270 and 06 are definitely easier to find. 25 is great but needs longer barrel. Mine has 26 inch. FAST! Old guy, so recoil is easier on me. Remington corelock is not my first bullet for anything. Nosler makes better along with several other manufacturers. All 3 are still great for what they are intended for.
I can't find anything but 25-06 here
@@AlaskanBallistics It's mostly a cult caliber, either never heard of it or you become a fan. Wasn't that popular until powder got better. By then magnum mania had set in. Too bad the ammo shortage is still going on, better bullet choices would make for better comparisons, but as long as 25 is available at least you get to play with easy recoil. Maybe bullet head to head comparisons from different manufacturers. Have fun and be safe.
@@AlaskanBallistics Just had a good thought. Now you have 3 chamberings for the switch barrel. Maybe even 4 if you add 280 Remington. Great idea for us viewers, expensive for you. 😆
@@wesbarcus3761 Actually Actually I don't on that 25-06 anymore. It was part of the channel 10k giveaway
@@AlaskanBallistics It is a bit light for unexpected critters up there, somebody got a good choice for wife, kids though, even old guys like me. Stay safe, put out a couple hunting videos this year, will be waiting.
Wow. That’s very slow compared to other brands of 270. I have a 270 and 25-06. Love them both!
Yeah i was shocked at how slow it was. Thanks for watching and the comment! Hope you've got meat with them this hunting season.
If I had any of the 3, I wouldn’t trade for either of the others. I prefer a .270 as an all purpose round. Being left handed, my choices were limited whenI bought my M77 mkII. No regrets.
Apparently Remington ammunition has gone way down hill. 270 Winchester could not hit 3000 FPS? I don't think the 22-inch Barrel has anything to do with that, possibly a little. My Mossberg Patriot with a 22-inch Barrel is pushing 3108, 3112, 3110, 3105, 3096 that is with Winchester Power Point 130 grain at 1450 a box at Walmart. Not the finest ammunition to be doing my testing with! I guess Remington is over with by now. I watch all your videos as you remind me a lot of myself with the way I test different ammo. I would like to see you do a video and I know it would cost a lot but breaking out some of the premium ammunitions ie hornaday, Federal Premium, Norma Etc thank you for all the work you put into doing these videos.
I agree never seen 270 Winchester ammunition run so underwhelming. I don’t think 6 more inches of barrel would help that lot of ammo. Seems to be a bogus charge. However I don’t think anyone would argue in favor of their quality control in the past decade or more.
I've done those ammunition brands in different calibers, except Norma. Not available on the shelf here. Though I've got some on order st a shop for the 6.5x284 Norma
Also did a video on the Winchester PowerPoints 130gr and you're right they're going up above 3100 mostly in this same rifle.
Most factory 130gr loads from my .270 Win. 22” Featherweight do at least 3050fps. My moderate hand loads with the 135gr SMK do 2846fps on H4831, consistent .75” 3rd groups with no accuracy work done to the rifle, no free-float, trigger feels like it’s on safe no matter how hard I pull.
@@LRRPFco52 good shooting, I'd still get a trigger job done
I like the 25 for recoil. I can drive a tack at 100 yds and would never be in a situation where I hunt to take a longer shot. But yes for ammo availability and power the 30 is king of this bunch.
270 fan here.
Nothing wrong with that
Depends on what your hunting...I personally have a Thompson Venture in 25.06 that is great on southern Whitetails. I agree with what you said. I would go with the 30.06 with some Federal Fusions
Federal Fusion is such a great bullet
Remington 270 bullet for a x130 grain bullet had a low velocity compared to Winchester and fedèal
And barnes and hornady
@@AlaskanBallistics my hornady 130 grain loads do 3200 fps from a 24 inch barrel
But im getting rid of it for a 7mm magnum.
Nice!!! I'll be testing the 130gr GMX superformance soon
@@joshlower1 love my 7mm Rem mag
Thanks Chuck. All well proven rounds. Remington seems to have these a butter under potential. All of these should be 100-200 fps. The 30/06 seems more adequate for larger game.
I hunt with Remington Core- Lokt's 30-06 Springfield 180 grains in my Browning A-Bolt medallion Rifle.
Nice
I also do in my Browning BAR MK3, but the SP version. I tried $50 ammo from Federal (blue tip), $50 Red Tip Winchester, Browning Ammo, and many others. The best group at 100 yards was the SP at just under 1 inch.
25.06 is the flattest shooting out to 400 yds. Some call it a "point and shoot" out to 400yds. Especially with the. 75grain
75gr must be screaming. Can you get bullets that stay together long enough in that weight?
@@AlaskanBallistics it's a breakdown video currently on you tube 25.06 vs 6.5 creedmore. He does the ballistic comparison..and it's close but the 25.06 actually has just a little more velocity and little less drop at 200, 300,400yrd distances respectively. Ron Spomer outdoors .
I've done 2 of those videos myself. It also carries less energy at 200 yards
@@AlaskanBallistics Im in southern Michigan. Ammo here is non existent in my area. I have a bar in 30.06 but find the 25.06 attractive because I'd like to hunt coyote and with such a small drop it should be point n shoot under 300yds. What's your favorite coyote caliber?
12ga
Pretty tough to beat the 30-06 for a great all around gun.
Yep
I've owned at one time 28 different calibers and reloaded for 33 calibers. I now own these calibers. 25-06, 7mm mag, 308, 30-06 and 8x57. Am I missing something here? Help me out, what else do I need. I'm from Pennsylvania. Deer and black bear are our big game. What else would I need??
.223 in an ar15 for self defense. 10mm in a handgun. .22lr for small game, 338 win mag for when you do go out west for big brown bear
@@AlaskanBallistics haha ok sounds good to me but I'll use what I have. It's where you put it that counts. I love these videos you post. All types of weather conditions. Great stuff keep em coming.
I shoot a Remington model 710 /270does a fine job
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All three are game killers if you do your job. One thing not mention is that the 25-06, 270 and 280 are just necked down 30-06 case.
270 is actually a slightly longer cartridge, simply necking down a 30-06 won't get you the correct dimensions but they are close