Your path mirrors my own, brother. I am waiting on my index to arrive currently, as I could no longer deal with Meta's crap tier software both for game development and content creation, I completely stopped making content for RUclips because I was burned out on the non stop obstacles that trying to do anything pcvr related presented in the meta ecosystem.
@@gomersimpson777ram not really, I'm a content creator and a hobbyist game dev, all the pretty lenses in the world won't make up for it crashing unreal every 5 minutes, or being unable to record certain games like devour without it turning out borked because meta can't program anything better than a website, and they hardly do that well
Supposedly it will be a standalone headset, so it doesn't seem like there's much to look forward to, aside from improved controllers maybe. Better start saving bank for varjo, because the near future sure seems bleak.
I have had my Index for 3 years. I also have had a Vive (which I still use the base stations from), a Rift, Rift S, and my brother somehow managed to buy two Quest 2's at Xmas this past, so he sent me one. You can't beat the Index Knuckles, for sure, but I do like the Quest 2 quite a bit. I bought the Onn "Deluxe Cooling Headstrap" from walmart and that made a huge difference in the comfort and allows me to play a lot longer before my face gets tired. I tried the Logitech Chorus headphones, which are like the Index headphones, but the lack of passthrough for the cable link was a deal breaker.
The biggest advantage of the Index over the Quest 3 is it does not need a battery. The battery life of the Quest 3 is so short that you need 2 extra batteries. One to wear and one to charge. Of course with the Index you have to deal with a cable. For PCVR I prefer the Valve Index, because of my very long VR sessions and I have only a RTX 3060. Not enough power for Quest 3 PCVR.
It is definitely a cool headset. I am waiting for the next one if I would get one from valve. I have the quest 3 and have no complaints other than battery life. I'm learning VR development as well and the oculus works well with unreal engine. Also oculus runs android which means I can also develop just apps in general.
Nice! I'm gonna be studying XR/game development in college but I'll be starting with Unity instead of Unreal, do you have any experience with that compared to UE
Excellent review of the Index. I am gonna be saving up for this sucker once i get my job still waiting to hear back from my local cinema and walmart. :)
I've owned an idex since 2019 and never had an issue with it. I'd say that if you plan on going hard on VR the index is still the best option. I'd hazard a guess that a "quest" wouldn't have lasted me over 3000 hours. *still using all my original parts, basestations and controllers
im ordering my index tomorrow! i am super excited i have a quest 2 and i have always been super dissapointed with meta and quest 2 so im super happy that im getting this
I don’t think saying the Quest 3 is $700 is a valid argument. Link cable is not necessary (arguably worse than wireless) and quoting the meta elite strap/grips price is also disingenuous. $500 plus a $30 bobovr/kiwi strap is all that’s needed to have a comparable PCVR (better or worse in different aspects) experience plus standalone capability.
Including a nice audio solution and other accessories other people might value. Point is it’s not $500 flat, most people will buy accessories where the quest leave out the box. Even a case, stand, cable etc
Bro idk you but I like small channels and your style. I wish that you reach the goals you set yourself as content creator and have fun along the way :) if you keep the quality our gonna go big within the next 1-2 years especially since vr is coming and this is not gonna be a gimmick that's never used like 3d tv's around 2010-15. Wish me luck that I can someday afford a good vr pc and maybe a better headset like quest 3 or index without selling my fricking kidney and/or body/dignity 😂 bought a user quest 2 for myself for my 30th bday last year since it looked rly interesting/promising. I mean I follow vr stuff since the rift but I did not want to waste money (a friend bought a mentioned 3d TV and we were hyped but he ender up having a single 3d blueray and that was that and I wasn't sure at the early vr days if this is gonna happen to vr too but damn after seeing what the quest 2 could do for that price (got rlllly lucky bought it for my bday in April so lots of ppl. that bought it for Xmas and realising that they have motion sickness/don't use it that often so I ender up paying I think 200-250€ and low on behold a few month later the price was raised again). But now I'm blown away by vr and need a pc, for vr I need a fton of vram so 3090/ti/4090 it is and I can't afford that back in 2008ish I could get a pc for less than 500 bucks, get a good graphics card at the time 8900 or 9700 or something like that for 200 maybe toss in 50 bucks for some fans, casemods and call it a day. Nowadays only the GPU costs more than a pc (2k-2,5k in Germany) and that's just the f*ing G-P-U😮 no case, no cpu, no motherboard, no ssd/hdd, no ram, no power supply nothing😢 what I'm trying to say if you know somebody in need of a kidney and/or liver transplant let me know I'll hook u up😂 working in IT for over 15 yrs now I need a pc my company sucks even though we're Adkins and gave full access to the customers systems through rdp our own f*ing laptop is locked down so badly I can't even update a driver yaaaaay. But for real would trade 1 kidney or half of my liver (liver grows back only organ to do that) for a gaming pc/vr, fbt setup. I promise the kidneys are almost brand new and the livers only slightly used but as a German coming from the sacred land of beer, bratwurst and beautiful old city's I can personally vouch for the quality of my liver it's only slightly used by German standards but it will easily get you through college / party's and other gatherings I promise.
Wow thank you for the such kind words. I hope you’re able to build your dream pc soon and get the Deckard like the rest of us are waiting for. Don’t worry about the pc just be patient and use what you can afford and can get. Tech will always change and evolve and it’s impossible to keep up with it all the time. VR is still fun regardless!
Waiting for my index to arrive right now, I've just been fed up with my 3 years using the quest 2. The thing is practically falling apart. The quest 2 (and now the quest 3) really isn't a bad way to get into vr and start pc vr but for 3 years I have been dealing with meta's broken software and low quality hardware. For standalone vr it is not a bad headset but the fact they said it could do pcvr and still be good makes me kinda mad, as it's pcvr performance is insanely bad. Every time i try to use the link software I have to restart the headset completely. Since the thing has a battery it can die while plugged in, making it awful for long sessions. And use of pcvr on the quest 2 degrades the battery over time as you have what is essentially both power and information going to your battery and headset. When I first started using my quest 2 for pcvr it would last 7 hours while plugged in and would still have some battery left. now it barely lasts 3 while plugged in. I think the only thing I can compliment is the controllers as they use AA batteries and can last weeks before you have to change them. also the quest 2 controllers are insanely durable. Don't even get me started on resolution and bitrate while using link. The quest 2 is an awful pcvr headset and it didn't take me long to figure that out but it has taken me 3 years to do anything about it because only now is it really annoying me that the quest 2 is super unstable and so is it's software and most the the development companies and games meta now owns. Honestly feel really bad for onward. This comment was really just trashing the quest 2 but I've used it so much already and honestly have had a great time using it. I'm glad someone else actually has talked about it's issues that no-one else seems to talk about. every other youtuber who compares the quest 2/3 to the valve index never really talk about the visual quality of how it actually *feels* to use the headset. Underrated youtuber right here, doing better than most other vr youtubers have in the past 3 years.
The quest 3 is just much better value in my opinion. It's wireless which massively increases immersion so long as you are playing standalone or with a good connection. There's no hassle in setup as you don't need to physically dedicate a set space for the VR and mount tracking stations. It's higher resolution and has better lenses. It has hand tracking making it stellar for watching videos. It can be brought with you on travels and over to a friend's and still be a fully functional game console. Also, when counting up actual cost you should definitely not be using Meta official addons. They are way overpriced and low quality compared to third party addons like the BoboVR strap with hotswappable battery going for like $70.
I was using the meta official as a base because other accessories prices fluctuate but the point of it is that there’s added costs that add up. Which slowly creep up to that index price tag. But yea I agree the Quest 3 is a solid headset until the deckard or something else comes out
I previously used the Pico 4 and wanted to try out the valve index based on what I found out about it. Placed my Order and the thing should hopefully arrive before the end of this week.
I feel like the vive index is only worth it if you can manage to buy it for cheaper than market value. Its better than the quest 3 in most ways, but not by enough to make it worth twice the price of it.
What put me off of the Index were all the reports of the cable wearing out and the controllers breaking. Valve wasn't super eager to replace these parts at first. I loved the Rift s controllers so I stuck with the Oculus tech. It also made the most sense at the time where I could get a quest2 soon after for $299 and then mod the strap and headphones. Now for $499 the quest 3 is not looking as appealing (even though a less blurry quest is super appealing to me) but since they are clearly focusing only on Android VR games, which is fine, its not the best reason why I play VR. Now, something like the Deckard that hopefully is designed to work with a a beefy video card; Has better lenses and resolution; This would make so much more sense. For $1000 it has to have premium quality though, not reports similar to what the Index had. Until that happens I'll stay on PSVR for a while, been having more fun on there anyway.
Yea I don’t blame you, everyone has different situations that justify getting it or not getting the index. Valve thrives with their customer support and now ifix it also sells replacement parts official from valve. At this point waiting is not a bad idea!
Sorry to hear about the experience with the tech support. I guess I have been more lucky, as I have had index for 3 years now; during this time, a controller broke and a cable wore off. Valve replaced both very quickly and without asking any further questions.
my biggest problem isnt, that some parts are really outdated compared to other HMDs today, its that the price never corrected for that. compared to what the quest 3 offers, its not a good value when both costs the exact same but the quest even comes with controllers on good tracking for the same price, that valves still asks just for the index without basestations and controllers. my this point, the index itself should be a 250-280€ HMD, but its hasnt moved one bit in 4 years. cant count the headphones from the index, cuz i dont mind cableling my good ones onto it
Quest 3 is absolute garbage compared to the index . Just the controls alone for the valve are better, They actually read every individual finger. Its for PC’s only headset so yea if you dont have a 3080 ti build and on a budget, cuz i work so i can buy it. Just toss a nofio wireless adapter on the valve index and kat walk c 2 and your set.
@@july172 i got the Index for a week. ITS a nice device. I only experiences ps5vr2 so far. What i dislike ist the Resolution its way more visible then on the ps5. and my wife cant use the finger tracking well, since her hands are kinda small so the finger tracking is fucked up. its not all roses and sunshine with the index, especially, since its still the same price as it was on release and now beeing over 4 years old
the valve index resolution is actually quite a bit lower than the quest 2 and way lower than the quest 3 but the fact this guy somehow thought it was higher is a good thing
Ok first of all great video and second of all im kinda new to VR and i want to get into it and want to get one on my birthday which is pretty soon its on 4th February and i want to get my first headset what would you recommend alot of people say quest 2/3 and some say valve index and then theres graphics a lot of people say the quest has way better graphics than the valve but is it really that noticable? + i dont know how much i am allowed to spend Edit: once the deckard releases its already clear what im gonna get xD cant wait for it to release Edit 2: my pc should hopefully be able to run the index cause i did like the steam are you ready for the valve index or whatever its called test app thing
Depends do you want native quest games? Do you have space for base stations? Anyone new to vr is recommended quest 3 unless there are specific wants or features you want from an index
@@MOBEASTGAMINGI have space for base stations my room is pretty good i would say because there is not a lot of stuff you can bump into and you could move around freely, and i do like the controllers from the index and that it tracks really good
I have the vive pro 2, but a rtx 3060, so cant really use the whole potential i guess, anyway, i think, this pancacke lenses thing is really importend, because this picture beeing blurry on the edges of the lenses reaĺly harms the expirience, ecpecially in flight simulators where you look at the edges during dogfights alot
Hey i have a question is Valve index still worth it at this time of the year? I sold my quest 2 since i got bored of the meta platform and it didnt feel so special, pcvr was very bad with the quest 2 and tracking was very dissapointing. Is valve index worth 1,000$ despite it being 4 years old?
I talk about this in my video towards the end. It really depends , do you have the extra cash? We are nearing the new age of Valve VR hardware, no exact date though. Are you okay buying this and risking the release of index 2 soon? Maybe check out Quest 3? If none of that bothers you , have the extra cash, and only play pcvr and don’t like meta at all…then I’d say it’s worth checking out. There are some cons to the headset in 2023 as I mentioned in my video. Hope that helps!
@@MOBEASTGAMING well ill wait maybe a few months, i hope the expecations from others meet the requirements and ill see how its gonna go maybe deckard will be actually good, saving up rn yknow cant buy it straight up because of bills and stuff. Also yeah i am heading for more pcvr only gaming. But for some reason i like the way valve index looks. Do you think deckard will have the same knuckle controller design as valve index?
@ImA-D3v yea I totally get it. If money is an issue I’d consider a quest 3. It’s pretty good for pcvr compared to quest 2. That we aren’t sure, best bet to watch sadly it’s Bradley videos. He knows more than anyone else I’ve seen
@@MOBEASTGAMING quest platform wasnt something really i liked, people have their own dislikes n stuff. But well money isnt really an issue i just dony want to move foward too quickly with my decisions, its best to wait and reconsider yknow?
for some reason my fps is always bad when i try to play with quest on pc, i ordered a valve on sunday going into monday at like 1am. Hoping my fps will be way better with a better headset and one MEANT for pc.
I would like to get an index, but valve doesn’t sell their hardware in switzerland (though they do provide full customer support if you do get one into switzerland)
Apart from that, my main 2 issues from trying my friend’s index, is that it seems like my IPD is too big to be properly sharp, and that you can see the gridlines between the individual pixels.
Had my quest 2 for a year and one eye went out, unable to repair! Also unable to log into quest on the computer due to a software update so It forced me to log in through facebook. Tossed it in the trash, I'll be getting one from steam next, going to hold out for the new model hopefully this year.
Excuse me, I would like to ask about streaming and recording VR games. Between the Oculus Quest 3 and Valve Index, which one is better and easier for this purpose? Thank you
Well you can play PCVR with both but quest 3 you get the standalone native game library. I usually don’t record games native on the quest 3. There are a few extra steps but I much prefer recording gameplay on PCVR. With standalone native gameplay the Quest 3 would have to split resources between rendering the game and recording at the same time. Just something to consider, so battery life will be less, performance will take a bit of a hit, but etc But if you get a Quest 3 you’ll still have access to PCVR, virtual desktop, steam link, cable link, and the stand alone VR library. With the index it’s different, it’s for a specific audience with it being 4 years old now. Is money an issue? What do you prioritize more? Quest 3 is close to index, index needs space for base stations, index has more FOV, Deckard possibly coming soon? Some questions and things to ask yourself Hope this helps
Just got a quest 2 and I couldn't even get it past the paring setup. Customer support was useless sending people through endless loops so I refunded that tech trash, saving up for an index.
@@MOBEASTGAMING I’m seriously considering just getting a valve I had a quest two a while ago and I really want a valve I just don’t know weather to wait for more info on the valve 2
it is not a good time for VR. Another year of great hardware to experience short bad looking indie experiences. It is so crazy how these companies have forgotten software is supposed to move the hardware. The Index's $1000 full kit price tag intrigued me and then for what you got it was priced properly. I had a quest 1 when I ordered the Index. 83 days later... unboxed it, plugged it in, put it on and took that shit right back off and immediately started wiping the lenses lol that hmd is the god of god rays. But I am just like you, i couldn't play Alyx without index controllers. Last HMD I bought was last year, I still haven't played Alyx because after Alyx. There's simulators and then NOTHING !! But Index controllers aren't all that because if you try to play with a gun stock, reloading will get your head blown off. every time you slap your controller back onto the stock the sensors go crazy and your controllers fly off for like 3-5 seconds. And no to wireless pcvr !!!!!!!!!! PCVR via DP = BEST!! Index comfort is not all that because it WILL get hot. Index is super delicate, a 2 foot drop chipped the plastic piece off of my left headphone. Valve customer service is ehhhh. i only ever used them one time and i think it took like 4 months to get a right controller replacement. and only reason why i got it is because i finally remembered i was supposed to be getting a controller replaced. and index is NOT WORTH IT TODAY AT ALL WHATSOEVER !!!!!!!!!!! low resolution, screen door effect is super crazy, the glare is unacceptable, the controllers are sensitive and delicate. Index got surpassed when the Vive Pro 2 come out. and if someone has money i would tell them to get a big screen beyond, quest pro, varjo aero or if they have money and just dont care about mixed bag results, i would recommend the pimax crystal too. BUT NEVER THE INDEX !!! its too close to 2024, bro, thats crazy. these are not consoles, these get upgrades every year
I see your points. VR right now is in the age and stage of how gaming consoles first came out. So many different devices, differences, tech is growing fast, everyone is getting a feel, developers are working hard on trying to figure out what works, etc. There's so many layers to the whole niche and each device. Each has their Pros and Cons. VR has its ups and downs but its growing
"Index got surpassed when the Vive Pro 2 came out" Good joke. if you think the glare and god rays on the Index are bad, the Pro 2's are like the final boss. How about it's microphone that sounds worse than a webcam from 1998? Or the fact that the panels in that headset get SO hot that there's confirmed reports of people's lenses in their pro 2's literally MELTING. What a hunk of overpriced dogshit honestly.
Half life alyx, walking dead saints 1 and 2. Skyrim and fallout vr. The half life 2 and black mesa vr mods. Lone echo 1 and 2. Resident evil and then it’s tech demos.
I know it's a very minority opinion but I actually still like my OG rift. The rift s was just never as good. I also have a dedicated VR suite in a 200 ft² prefab, so I have the space that a lot of people don't. Half-Life Alex was flawless on my old 1080 ti.
Just bought one the other day, it is so worth it for content creation, and it runs on PC vr so smooth with out any compressed imaging like with the quest 2 and three and especially with the quest 3 battery life problem, mostly the reason I didn't get that instead. And the tracking, knuckles, microphone, performance, 144 hz, amazing off ear headphones, and the 130 fov on the index is just a no brainer.
I think the quest 2 is better for wireless gaming and for cabled headsets the index really is the master of none headset if you are going corded I would get one of the crazy vive's or a piemax headset instead the index does nothing amaxing but nothing bad
@@KahootSucks if you say so. ive played all the haft life vr mods and few other games on pc and been nothing but happy with it. index has better tracking if want to hang shit all over your room and only use it there sure. but other then that its over priced and out dated. imo
@@CodyBoyy Quest 3 has shitty field of view and im just simply not its target audience All I care about is graphic fidelity, trustworthiness which I haven't seen with my quest 2, and actually not dogshit tracking. So quest 3 is a no go for me.
@@KahootSucks you do realize the quest 3 has superior lenses and double the resolution at 2064×2208 vs 1440×1600 and I wouldn’t call it a shity field of view at 100 vs 130 but if the field of view is much more important to you I understand. I’d rather have the resolution, versatility at the lower price. and I don’t fine the tracking bad at all especially considering it works all on it’s own and I can take it any in my home Or even take it to my friends or familys and play standalone games.
Just depends , as far as we know there aren’t any major consumer line hardware releases coming soon at the time of this comment. Deckard still doesn’t have a time line, so if you don’t mind buying an older headset with the possibility Deckard coming soon then go for it. Quest 3 or index are great for pcvr. If money is an issue i say go quest 3. Just depends what you prefer more
@MOBEASTGAMING if you were to buy the full vr index kit do you think the deckard would come out with the capability to be compatible with the existing index knuckles and base stations. Future proofing sorta thing so all you'd get would be the deckard headset?
I just bought mine a few days ago but still had some of the concerns you stated. I got mine mostly for sim racing. My reasoning was because it seemed like the most well rounded option. Easy use with pc, high frame rate 144hz, good audio, wide FOV, decent resolution though not the highest but i figure sacrificing a little resolution would help with performance. I have a 2070 super gpu with an i7 cpu. Also the index has the best controllers when i decide i want to play a game that requires controllers. And finally, i like Valve as a company and feel better about giving my money to them rather than Meta Quest/Zuckerburg.
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Your path mirrors my own, brother. I am waiting on my index to arrive currently, as I could no longer deal with Meta's crap tier software both for game development and content creation, I completely stopped making content for RUclips because I was burned out on the non stop obstacles that trying to do anything pcvr related presented in the meta ecosystem.
congrats! Welcome to the club, you wont be dissapointed. What are you developing?
watch lens comparison between index and pico 4 and younerstand you made a wrong buy
or any panckakeke
@@gomersimpson777ram not really, I'm a content creator and a hobbyist game dev, all the pretty lenses in the world won't make up for it crashing unreal every 5 minutes, or being unable to record certain games like devour without it turning out borked because meta can't program anything better than a website, and they hardly do that well
I love my valve😍 index
Can't wait Valve Deckard
Like wise!
Supposedly it will be a standalone headset, so it doesn't seem like there's much to look forward to, aside from improved controllers maybe. Better start saving bank for varjo, because the near future sure seems bleak.
unfortunely its fake
I would wait. Wait for the next one. More than likely coming next year
I have had my Index for 3 years. I also have had a Vive (which I still use the base stations from), a Rift, Rift S, and my brother somehow managed to buy two Quest 2's at Xmas this past, so he sent me one. You can't beat the Index Knuckles, for sure, but I do like the Quest 2 quite a bit. I bought the Onn "Deluxe Cooling Headstrap" from walmart and that made a huge difference in the comfort and allows me to play a lot longer before my face gets tired. I tried the Logitech Chorus headphones, which are like the Index headphones, but the lack of passthrough for the cable link was a deal breaker.
The biggest advantage of the Index over the Quest 3 is it does not need a battery. The battery life of the Quest 3 is so short that you need 2 extra batteries. One to wear and one to charge. Of course with the Index you have to deal with a cable. For PCVR I prefer the Valve Index, because of my very long VR sessions and I have only a RTX 3060. Not enough power for Quest 3 PCVR.
Its wild that its been 4 years and the Index is still this good
It is definitely a cool headset. I am waiting for the next one if I would get one from valve. I have the quest 3 and have no complaints other than battery life. I'm learning VR development as well and the oculus works well with unreal engine. Also oculus runs android which means I can also develop just apps in general.
That’s awesome! Yea I’m on the same boat, I can’t wait till their next one. What are you developing or hoping to create ?
Nice! I'm gonna be studying XR/game development in college but I'll be starting with Unity instead of Unreal, do you have any experience with that compared to UE
Excellent review of the Index. I am gonna be saving up for this sucker once i get my job still waiting to hear back from my local cinema and walmart. :)
I've owned an idex since 2019 and never had an issue with it. I'd say that if you plan on going hard on VR the index is still the best option. I'd hazard a guess that a "quest" wouldn't have lasted me over 3000 hours. *still using all my original parts, basestations and controllers
im ordering my index tomorrow! i am super excited i have a quest 2 and i have always been super dissapointed with meta and quest 2 so im super happy that im getting this
That’s awesome congrats!!!
Nice! Mine comes in Thursday. Can’t wait. I figure it’ll be at least 2 years before the index 2 since they haven’t even officially announced it
Please let us know your experience going from the q2 to the index. I'd like to hear a few testimonies of the switch.
@@jim9223 hows the index
I don’t think saying the Quest 3 is $700 is a valid argument.
Link cable is not necessary (arguably worse than wireless) and quoting the meta elite strap/grips price is also disingenuous.
$500 plus a $30 bobovr/kiwi strap is all that’s needed to have a comparable PCVR (better or worse in different aspects) experience plus standalone capability.
Including a nice audio solution and other accessories other people might value. Point is it’s not $500 flat, most people will buy accessories where the quest leave out the box. Even a case, stand, cable etc
Great video.
This is pretty much what's happened to me too.
This channel deserves more attention
Wow, those are heavy words! Thank you so
Much! *insert Michael Scott Crying Thank You GIF”
@@MOBEASTGAMING do you have a discord group yet?
Bro idk you but I like small channels and your style. I wish that you reach the goals you set yourself as content creator and have fun along the way :) if you keep the quality our gonna go big within the next 1-2 years especially since vr is coming and this is not gonna be a gimmick that's never used like 3d tv's around 2010-15.
Wish me luck that I can someday afford a good vr pc and maybe a better headset like quest 3 or index without selling my fricking kidney and/or body/dignity 😂 bought a user quest 2 for myself for my 30th bday last year since it looked rly interesting/promising. I mean I follow vr stuff since the rift but I did not want to waste money (a friend bought a mentioned 3d TV and we were hyped but he ender up having a single 3d blueray and that was that and I wasn't sure at the early vr days if this is gonna happen to vr too but damn after seeing what the quest 2 could do for that price (got rlllly lucky bought it for my bday in April so lots of ppl. that bought it for Xmas and realising that they have motion sickness/don't use it that often so I ender up paying I think 200-250€ and low on behold a few month later the price was raised again). But now I'm blown away by vr and need a pc, for vr I need a fton of vram so 3090/ti/4090 it is and I can't afford that back in 2008ish I could get a pc for less than 500 bucks, get a good graphics card at the time 8900 or 9700 or something like that for 200 maybe toss in 50 bucks for some fans, casemods and call it a day. Nowadays only the GPU costs more than a pc (2k-2,5k in Germany) and that's just the f*ing G-P-U😮 no case, no cpu, no motherboard, no ssd/hdd, no ram, no power supply nothing😢 what I'm trying to say if you know somebody in need of a kidney and/or liver transplant let me know I'll hook u up😂 working in IT for over 15 yrs now I need a pc my company sucks even though we're Adkins and gave full access to the customers systems through rdp our own f*ing laptop is locked down so badly I can't even update a driver yaaaaay. But for real would trade 1 kidney or half of my liver (liver grows back only organ to do that) for a gaming pc/vr, fbt setup. I promise the kidneys are almost brand new and the livers only slightly used but as a German coming from the sacred land of beer, bratwurst and beautiful old city's I can personally vouch for the quality of my liver it's only slightly used by German standards but it will easily get you through college / party's and other gatherings I promise.
Wow thank you for the such kind words. I hope you’re able to build your dream pc soon and get the Deckard like the rest of us are waiting for. Don’t worry about the pc just be patient and use what you can afford and can get. Tech will always change and evolve and it’s impossible to keep up with it all the time. VR is still fun regardless!
Waiting for my index to arrive right now, I've just been fed up with my 3 years using the quest 2. The thing is practically falling apart. The quest 2 (and now the quest 3) really isn't a bad way to get into vr and start pc vr but for 3 years I have been dealing with meta's broken software and low quality hardware. For standalone vr it is not a bad headset but the fact they said it could do pcvr and still be good makes me kinda mad, as it's pcvr performance is insanely bad. Every time i try to use the link software I have to restart the headset completely. Since the thing has a battery it can die while plugged in, making it awful for long sessions. And use of pcvr on the quest 2 degrades the battery over time as you have what is essentially both power and information going to your battery and headset. When I first started using my quest 2 for pcvr it would last 7 hours while plugged in and would still have some battery left. now it barely lasts 3 while plugged in. I think the only thing I can compliment is the controllers as they use AA batteries and can last weeks before you have to change them. also the quest 2 controllers are insanely durable. Don't even get me started on resolution and bitrate while using link. The quest 2 is an awful pcvr headset and it didn't take me long to figure that out but it has taken me 3 years to do anything about it because only now is it really annoying me that the quest 2 is super unstable and so is it's software and most the the development companies and games meta now owns. Honestly feel really bad for onward. This comment was really just trashing the quest 2 but I've used it so much already and honestly have had a great time using it. I'm glad someone else actually has talked about it's issues that no-one else seems to talk about. every other youtuber who compares the quest 2/3 to the valve index never really talk about the visual quality of how it actually *feels* to use the headset. Underrated youtuber right here, doing better than most other vr youtubers have in the past 3 years.
Congrats on getting an Index!
I feel your frustrations on the Meta side of things
upgrading from an oculus rift S to the index soon, just making sure what I'm buying is worth it lol.
The quest 3 is just much better value in my opinion.
It's wireless which massively increases immersion so long as you are playing standalone or with a good connection.
There's no hassle in setup as you don't need to physically dedicate a set space for the VR and mount tracking stations.
It's higher resolution and has better lenses.
It has hand tracking making it stellar for watching videos.
It can be brought with you on travels and over to a friend's and still be a fully functional game console.
Also, when counting up actual cost you should definitely not be using Meta official addons. They are way overpriced and low quality compared to third party addons like the BoboVR strap with hotswappable battery going for like $70.
I was using the meta official as a base because other accessories prices fluctuate but the point of it is that there’s added costs that add up. Which slowly creep up to that index price tag.
But yea I agree the Quest 3 is a solid headset until the deckard or something else comes out
Quest 3 is trash. I got a nofio wireless adapter for my index.
In my opinion, in addition to the controller, the built-in headphones and microphones are still a reason for the Valve Index.
I agree, they are very underestimated features
I previously used the Pico 4 and wanted to try out the valve index based on what I found out about it. Placed my Order and the thing should hopefully arrive before the end of this week.
good so far?
@@Llamu Yup, alot better then the Pico
Nice man congrats
dropping a like and comment
Thank you 🫡
I feel like the vive index is only worth it if you can manage to buy it for cheaper than market value. Its better than the quest 3 in most ways, but not by enough to make it worth twice the price of it.
What put me off of the Index were all the reports of the cable wearing out and the controllers breaking. Valve wasn't super eager to replace these parts at first. I loved the Rift s controllers so I stuck with the Oculus tech. It also made the most sense at the time where I could get a quest2 soon after for $299 and then mod the strap and headphones. Now for $499 the quest 3 is not looking as appealing (even though a less blurry quest is super appealing to me) but since they are clearly focusing only on Android VR games, which is fine, its not the best reason why I play VR. Now, something like the Deckard that hopefully is designed to work with a a beefy video card; Has better lenses and resolution; This would make so much more sense. For $1000 it has to have premium quality though, not reports similar to what the Index had. Until that happens I'll stay on PSVR for a while, been having more fun on there anyway.
Yea I don’t blame you, everyone has different situations that justify getting it or not getting the index. Valve thrives with their customer support and now ifix it also sells replacement parts official from valve. At this point waiting is not a bad idea!
Sorry to hear about the experience with the tech support. I guess I have been more lucky, as I have had index for 3 years now; during this time, a controller broke and a cable wore off. Valve replaced both very quickly and without asking any further questions.
@@kseniafedosova9169 That's nice to know thanks!
the Bigscreen requires your own base stations and controllers so its no biggy.
my biggest problem isnt, that some parts are really outdated compared to other HMDs today, its that the price never corrected for that. compared to what the quest 3 offers, its not a good value when both costs the exact same but the quest even comes with controllers on good tracking for the same price, that valves still asks just for the index without basestations and controllers. my this point, the index itself should be a 250-280€ HMD, but its hasnt moved one bit in 4 years. cant count the headphones from the index, cuz i dont mind cableling my good ones onto it
Quest 3 is absolute garbage compared to the index . Just the controls alone for the valve are better, They actually read every individual finger. Its for PC’s only headset so yea if you dont have a 3080 ti build and on a budget, cuz i work so i can buy it. Just toss a nofio wireless adapter on the valve index and kat walk c 2 and your set.
@@july172 i got the Index for a week. ITS a nice device. I only experiences ps5vr2 so far. What i dislike ist the Resolution its way more visible then on the ps5. and my wife cant use the finger tracking well, since her hands are kinda small so the finger tracking is fucked up. its not all roses and sunshine with the index, especially, since its still the same price as it was on release and now beeing over 4 years old
the valve index resolution is actually quite a bit lower than the quest 2 and way lower than the quest 3 but the fact this guy somehow thought it was higher is a good thing
To each their own
Ok first of all great video and second of all im kinda new to VR and i want to get into it and want to get one on my birthday which is pretty soon its on 4th February and i want to get my first headset what would you recommend alot of people say quest 2/3 and some say valve index and then theres graphics a lot of people say the quest has way better graphics than the valve but is it really that noticable? + i dont know how much i am allowed to spend
Edit: once the deckard releases its already clear what im gonna get xD cant wait for it to release
Edit 2: my pc should hopefully be able to run the index cause i did like the steam are you ready for the valve index or whatever its called test app thing
Depends do you want native quest games? Do you have space for base stations? Anyone new to vr is recommended quest 3 unless there are specific wants or features you want from an index
@@MOBEASTGAMINGI have space for base stations my room is pretty good i would say because there is not a lot of stuff you can bump into and you could move around freely, and i do like the controllers from the index and that it tracks really good
I have the vive pro 2, but a rtx 3060, so cant really use the whole potential i guess,
anyway, i think, this pancacke lenses thing is really importend,
because this picture beeing blurry on the edges of the lenses reaĺly harms the expirience, ecpecially in flight simulators where you look at the edges during dogfights alot
Hey i have a question is Valve index still worth it at this time of the year?
I sold my quest 2 since i got bored of the meta platform and it didnt feel so special, pcvr was very bad with the quest 2 and tracking was very dissapointing.
Is valve index worth 1,000$ despite it being 4 years old?
I talk about this in my video towards the end. It really depends , do you have the extra cash? We are nearing the new age of Valve VR hardware, no exact date though. Are you okay buying this and risking the release of index 2 soon? Maybe check out Quest 3? If none of that bothers you , have the extra cash, and only play pcvr and don’t like meta at all…then I’d say it’s worth checking out. There are some cons to the headset in 2023 as I mentioned in my video. Hope that helps!
@@MOBEASTGAMING well ill wait maybe a few months, i hope the expecations from others meet the requirements and ill see how its gonna go maybe deckard will be actually good, saving up rn yknow cant buy it straight up because of bills and stuff. Also yeah i am heading for more pcvr only gaming. But for some reason i like the way valve index looks. Do you think deckard will have the same knuckle controller design as valve index?
@ImA-D3v yea I totally get it. If money is an issue I’d consider a quest 3. It’s pretty good for pcvr compared to quest 2. That we aren’t sure, best bet to watch sadly it’s Bradley videos. He knows more than anyone else I’ve seen
@@MOBEASTGAMING quest platform wasnt something really i liked, people have their own dislikes n stuff. But well money isnt really an issue i just dony want to move foward too quickly with my decisions, its best to wait and reconsider yknow?
@@MOBEASTGAMING also hey thanks for replying with info. Ill look after valve index or valve deckard. Good luck with content out there
Pancake lenses I wish the index had those
for some reason my fps is always bad when i try to play with quest on pc, i ordered a valve on sunday going into monday at like 1am. Hoping my fps will be way better with a better headset and one MEANT for pc.
Play Vertigo 2 or even vertigo remastered next! :D
On my list! I keep putting it off!
I would like to get an index, but valve doesn’t sell their hardware in switzerland (though they do provide full customer support if you do get one into switzerland)
Apart from that, my main 2 issues from trying my friend’s index, is that it seems like my IPD is too big to be properly sharp, and that you can see the gridlines between the individual pixels.
Man that’s a bummer, hopefully with the next Vr headset valve ships to Switzerland!
Had my quest 2 for a year and one eye went out, unable to repair! Also unable to log into quest on the computer due to a software update so It forced me to log in through facebook. Tossed it in the trash, I'll be getting one from steam next, going to hold out for the new model hopefully this year.
You can disconnect your Fb and make a
Meta account but I feel the frustration
The music is way too loud my dude
Dang really? My bad man
Excuse me, I would like to ask about streaming and recording VR games. Between the Oculus Quest 3 and Valve Index, which one is better and easier for this purpose? Thank you
Are you playing only PCVR? Or plan to do standalone quest 3 native gameplay
@@MOBEASTGAMING i have pc but im planning to buy the vr headset so im a bit of pickle to choose between these two headset
Well you can play PCVR with both but quest 3 you get the standalone native game library. I usually don’t record games native on the quest 3. There are a few extra steps but I much prefer recording gameplay on PCVR. With standalone native gameplay the Quest 3 would have to split resources between rendering the game and recording at the same time. Just something to consider, so battery life will be less, performance will take a bit of a hit, but etc
But if you get a Quest 3 you’ll still have access to PCVR, virtual desktop, steam link, cable link, and the stand alone VR library. With the index it’s different, it’s for a specific audience with it being 4 years old now. Is money an issue? What do you prioritize more? Quest 3 is close to index, index needs space for base stations, index has more FOV, Deckard possibly coming soon? Some questions and things to ask yourself
Hope this helps
but the new Index is wirlessor standallone but i want a wired pc vr headset like the index
I still enjoy vr with the index
Same!
Just got a quest 2 and I couldn't even get it past the paring setup. Customer support was useless sending people through endless loops so I refunded that tech trash, saving up for an index.
Have you thought of a quest 3 or are you done with meta?
does mirros it affects the headset? the finger tracking or anything else?
I’m not sure to be honest. I have a few monitors and a tv in the room but no mirrors. Haven’t experienced anything abnormal
I love being in australia and not having access to the index. :D
Man that’s rough
@MOBEASTGAMING can cost up to 2.5k aud just to get one. Hopefully, valve pulls their head out of their ass and the deckard is a different story.
Let's say it with me guys. "the index is not 1000usd and it's just 500usd"
Bigscreen Beyond
I had my eye on it!
Best controllers but thumbstick broke a little over a year and I didn't play much
I wonder what VR game that was so immersive that it stressed out your thumb sticks lol
Deckard better come out asap
The chant that is being heard across the ocean
@@MOBEASTGAMING I’m seriously considering just getting a valve I had a quest two a while ago and I really want a valve I just don’t know weather to wait for more info on the valve 2
it is not a good time for VR. Another year of great hardware to experience short bad looking indie experiences. It is so crazy how these companies have forgotten software is supposed to move the hardware. The Index's $1000 full kit price tag intrigued me and then for what you got it was priced properly. I had a quest 1 when I ordered the Index. 83 days later... unboxed it, plugged it in, put it on and took that shit right back off and immediately started wiping the lenses lol that hmd is the god of god rays. But I am just like you, i couldn't play Alyx without index controllers. Last HMD I bought was last year, I still haven't played Alyx because after Alyx. There's simulators and then NOTHING !! But Index controllers aren't all that because if you try to play with a gun stock, reloading will get your head blown off. every time you slap your controller back onto the stock the sensors go crazy and your controllers fly off for like 3-5 seconds. And no to wireless pcvr !!!!!!!!!! PCVR via DP = BEST!! Index comfort is not all that because it WILL get hot. Index is super delicate, a 2 foot drop chipped the plastic piece off of my left headphone. Valve customer service is ehhhh. i only ever used them one time and i think it took like 4 months to get a right controller replacement. and only reason why i got it is because i finally remembered i was supposed to be getting a controller replaced. and index is NOT WORTH IT TODAY AT ALL WHATSOEVER !!!!!!!!!!! low resolution, screen door effect is super crazy, the glare is unacceptable, the controllers are sensitive and delicate. Index got surpassed when the Vive Pro 2 come out. and if someone has money i would tell them to get a big screen beyond, quest pro, varjo aero or if they have money and just dont care about mixed bag results, i would recommend the pimax crystal too. BUT NEVER THE INDEX !!! its too close to 2024, bro, thats crazy. these are not consoles, these get upgrades every year
I see your points. VR right now is in the age and stage of how gaming consoles first came out. So many different devices, differences, tech is growing fast, everyone is getting a feel, developers are working hard on trying to figure out what works, etc. There's so many layers to the whole niche and each device. Each has their Pros and Cons. VR has its ups and downs but its growing
"Index got surpassed when the Vive Pro 2 came out" Good joke.
if you think the glare and god rays on the Index are bad, the Pro 2's are like the final boss. How about it's microphone that sounds worse than a webcam from 1998? Or the fact that the panels in that headset get SO hot that there's confirmed reports of people's lenses in their pro 2's literally MELTING. What a hunk of overpriced dogshit honestly.
Half life alyx, walking dead saints 1 and 2. Skyrim and fallout vr. The half life 2 and black mesa vr mods. Lone echo 1 and 2. Resident evil and then it’s tech demos.
This made me sell mi mindex!
Buy it back!
I vond bad is theat it’s not durebol but it’s beter voor pcvr thean quest2
theere is no pros for index
Each person has different wants
I know it's a very minority opinion but I actually still like my OG rift. The rift s was just never as good. I also have a dedicated VR suite in a 200 ft² prefab, so I have the space that a lot of people don't. Half-Life Alex was flawless on my old 1080 ti.
can i have your index pleaseee?????
There are no Reasons anymore get an Index. Rip Index.
The knuckles are still good
Knuckles are awesome
It’s for a niche audience
Just bought one the other day, it is so worth it for content creation, and it runs on PC vr so smooth with out any compressed imaging like with the quest 2 and three and especially with the quest 3 battery life problem, mostly the reason I didn't get that instead. And the tracking, knuckles, microphone, performance, 144 hz, amazing off ear headphones, and the 130 fov on the index is just a no brainer.
Yea there’s a lot of quality of life and ease of use with the index. Congrats!
I think the quest 2 is better for wireless gaming and for cabled headsets the index really is the master of none headset if you are going corded I would get one of the crazy vive's or a piemax headset instead the index does nothing amaxing but nothing bad
I always wanted a Pimax but the price tag , issues they have and the size of those things turned me off from taking the risk
Quest 3 way better sorry lol 😂
quest 3 is ass for pcvr especially having no base stations or finger tracking. Id rather drink my own piss than use a quest 3 with pcvr for a day.
@@KahootSucks if you say so. ive played all the haft life vr mods and few other games on pc and been nothing but happy with it. index has better tracking if want to hang shit all over your room and only use it there sure. but other then that its over priced and out dated. imo
@@CodyBoyy Quest 3 has shitty field of view and im just simply not its target audience All I care about is graphic fidelity, trustworthiness which I haven't seen with my quest 2, and actually not dogshit tracking. So quest 3 is a no go for me.
@@KahootSucks you do realize the quest 3 has superior lenses and double the resolution at 2064×2208 vs 1440×1600 and I wouldn’t call it a shity field of view at 100 vs 130 but if the field of view is much more important to you I understand. I’d rather have the resolution, versatility at the lower price. and I don’t fine the tracking bad at all especially considering it works all on it’s own and I can take it any in my home Or even take it to my friends or familys and play standalone games.
@@CodyBoyy I cant tell the difference between resolutions. Literally cannot tell the difference between 1080p and 480p not even joking.
would you recommend this for 2024 or nah?
Just depends , as far as we know there aren’t any major consumer line hardware releases coming soon at the time of this comment. Deckard still doesn’t have a time line, so if you don’t mind buying an older headset with the possibility Deckard coming soon then go for it. Quest 3 or index are great for pcvr. If money is an issue i say go quest 3. Just depends what you prefer more
@MOBEASTGAMING if you were to buy the full vr index kit do you think the deckard would come out with the capability to be compatible with the existing index knuckles and base stations.
Future proofing sorta thing so all you'd get would be the deckard headset?
I just bought mine a few days ago but still had some of the concerns you stated. I got mine mostly for sim racing. My reasoning was because it seemed like the most well rounded option. Easy use with pc, high frame rate 144hz, good audio, wide FOV, decent resolution though not the highest but i figure sacrificing a little resolution would help with performance. I have a 2070 super gpu with an i7 cpu. Also the index has the best controllers when i decide i want to play a game that requires controllers. And finally, i like Valve as a company and feel better about giving my money to them rather than Meta Quest/Zuckerburg.