THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN EATON ULTRA SHIFT AND ALLISON TRANSMISSION IN A DUMP TRUCKS
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This is one of the absolute most informative videos I've seen in a long, long time. Great job. And thanks.
One thing to take a look at with the Allison pulling when “stopped” is their RELS system with the FuelSense setup. It will put the transmission in a partial neutral as long as the brake is applied and then once you release the brake it goes back into driving gear. That may be a setting they can turn on for you.
The true difference between the 2 is the Eaton has an actual manual transmission that clutches and shifts by itself depending on RPM and road speed, the Allison is a true automatic transmission like in your car or suv. Great video by the way, very informative! 👍
Fantastic video. I knew from the intro it was going to be a good one. I wasn’t disappointed.
Awesome - always wondered. Thank you!
Nice demo, thanks, Justin!
Good job explaining the difference of the 2 transmissions from an owner and drivers point of view. You are right about the 8LL trans. It’s fine off-road or on a site truck but the wide gaps in ratios suck for highway driving. I never understood why some many dump trucks run them. 18 sp is the most versatile.
Regarding the allison that wants to keep driving at idle...the fix to that problem is to lower your engine idle rpm...down to about 600 is what we found seems to work the best...looks like it was idling at 700 in the video...give that a try you will be much happier
The hot thing in Tri-Axles up here in Upstate NY is the Allison 4700 RDS, which has 7-speeds and supposedly a deep reverse, where you actually have to give it throttle to go in reverse.
This is the best, most informative video I’ve seen so far on the Ultrashift. We have them in our fleet at work, but the garage guys aren’t very savvy with all the settings and options when I complain how sluggish the thing is.
Thanks for the video. Really a good explain about diferentes automatic transmisión. Here in Europe the most are ya automatics like ultra shift. Congrats from Teruel Spain 👍
Thanks for the info i just ordered 2 allison dumps in Baltimore
Thanks for all your wisdom on the transmissions? I also agree with you on the Eaton Fuller is the way to go!
Ultra shifts tend to jump when reversing into a dock, the way the clutch gets applied. Great Video
Very nice video. And I really like the idea of the Eaton. A little high on the shift points for me. I have the Allison in my motorcoach, it works great for that. Thanks for sharing!
There are other options for oil. As long as you use an allison approved oil the warranty will be fine. They have a list of approved oils from other manufacturers on there site. We run fleetrite brand in ours. It's a little cheaper than the trans snyd and won't void the warranty.
Very good video Justin, thanks 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
“F” ing good job dude. Very informative, helped a lot. Sounds like me at the end. “Gotta buy a bumper. F!” Lol
Great video Thanks
Like that you keep it real keep the videos coming
Great video justin
Great video on these transmissions! Just what I wanted to know about the ultra shift and the Alison.
Niceee thanks 4 info
This is better than having to do it manually. I think this is the future as you can focus more on your driving than having to shift gears
Nothing better to do on a cold rainy day like today might as well rewatch some of these videos lol
I love my manual cummins pickup it’s like a mini tractor shwing lol!
great video, information and opinion is bang on. allison are great but youre exactly right they need to be 8 speed and less expensive and the service cost is too high. 13, 15, or 18 speed manual i still dont think can be beat, just way more simple, proven, less headache and theres no programming them.... as long as you have a competent driver youre set.
I don't understand why they haven't put power shift transmissions in big trucks like they have in tractors. Obviously they can handle the torque same with an ivt transmission. You'd also still have a clutch pedal like we do in big tractors. And you could have a shifting lever with a power shifter just like the tractors have. The way some have described the Easton ultrashift it sounds like a power shift
Cool vid. That's why you have good videos, educational and funny!what happened to the bumper??
Good looking fleet.
nice vid. the allison does have a neutral. you have to shift it into neutral. otherwise the clutches will want to grab when in gear. they are way more aggro than those of a car so the pull is strong yes. if they come up with 8 or 9 gear model, i bet you these will be the new hotness for OTR
Thanks for your input! Great video. And again a bumper F@&K!!
I spend a lot of time working under a grinder, I have a manual transmission 8LL with 4.33 Rear end Ratio, Most of the time it's not slow enough. I would love to have an Allison automatic.
It's amazing under the grinder
Well, ya gotta compare apples to apples. The Eaton is basically an automated Roadranger. The equivalent in Allison would be the TC10 (available in 18 speed), which they generally don't stuff into a dump truck. You probably have a 4000 series WT. That being said, we run Transynd in all of our Allisons (WT1000, 2000, 3000) and see zero issues, and our service intervals are at about 160,000km (filter and fluid change).
Indeed, Allison TC10 would definitely outperform and eaton imo and it's definitely more comparable to the 18 speed automated
Im doing fucking great man. You make great educational videos keep em coming
Great video. At a set of lights Allison are just itching to get going. You're right, They are hard on brakes if not driven correctly.
Allison do have a 10sp called the tc10 . But are uncommon atm
Last I recalled the TC10 was for line haul/on highway, not Vocational use.
I have an Allison AT545 in my '92 4700. When I stop at traffic lights she wants to go too. All the loose plastic inside the truck rattles. I only have 4 speeds, no overdrive, and I get around 9 mpg in a 24k GVW truck. Being the last generation, or possibly two generations ago my truck likes to be around 2200 rpm. I can't believe you were doing 70 mph at 1500 rpm. That's crazy!
My truck is underpowered with a DT360 but it gets the job done every day with few breakdowns compared to a k3500 or F350 cab and chassis. Big hills take me down to 15-20 mph fully loaded but she makes it EVERY time with no complaints.
I've never driven a heavy truck like yours and that Eaton sounds interesting. My truck is up to 265k and the Allison has never given a hassle, besides a leak where the shifter cable goes into the transmission. I love the fact that driving my medium-duty truck is like driving a car even if she is a bit of a dog. I couldn't imagine dealing with shifting all day. That would suck. It might be fun for an hour or two but not all day.
The Allison I have is built like a tank, like my I4700 truck, and is very faithful. I'd have a hard time jumping ship on Allison because they're idiotproof. Simpler is better in my book.
I get so much of what you're saying about the Eaton, especially watching how many speeds you have available and that option for when the truck is loaded or light. That's going to save money and make the ride more comfortable/fun.
It would be a hoot to drive either of those trucks for an hour or two. That's about as heavy-duty as you can get with cold ac and a quiet comfortable cab. I hope your drivers appreciate how nice they have it.
My favorite trucks. The 4700 cab and hood and headlights. Good looking truck, my favorite engine engines are the old DT466 and T444e
I have a 2013 ProStar with the Ultrashift 10spd and just had the performance tune loaded. I love it. I don’t think it has 2 configurations like yours tho.
Great video! I almost got the Allison when I ordered my Pete 7 axle. But the upfront cost and repair cost compared to Eaton Autoshift (Was the only Eaton automated manual at the time) Vs 18 speed manual made my choice easy. From watching your video the Eaton Ultrashift is so far advanced of the Eaton Autoshift it is without a doubt much better transmission. Good Luck and Keep On Truckin
Terry F what engine HP/torque you running bud?
@@jorgefuentes5879 The factory settings were 470 hp and 1650 torque
What a way to start a informative video
Love grabbing gears but it kills my shoulder. Love the automatics nowadays.
What an intro, love it.......
Great trucks, Justin.
Awesome video! Thank you for making this! Favorite quote: “if you f*** that trans cooler up, you’re royally f***ed.” Haha!!
Hi Justin, I just found your channel, well I didn't find it, I watch Eric at SMA's channel and he gave you a shout out last Wednesday ,you had sent him some hats and shit I think It was. Anyway I love your channel and your videos, you have a variety of content, love the repair vids, the ride along vids, the fucking around in the shop vids!! all good vids. I live in Middletown Ohio so its great to watch your vids. I just love how you come across in your vids and your give a shit attitude, you make me laugh..Keep up the great vids, I can relate to what you are saying about paving our roads, we get about 6 or 7 months till they are shit again.
Take care
Jody Wright thanks dude
We run dump trucks in Canada and have 4 autos 2020 t800s and 2020 Pete two with Alison two with Easton and the new tc10 Allison is By far more superior to then eats and no issues at all Easton’s have been in the shop numerous times for issues with programming getting stuck in gear ext ext, the new Allison also has a added extra gears in reverse since it was backing up two fast.
cool vid. I want to know how dose it do loaded uphill? like following a bus with 20 yards on and you have to stop cuz they are letting a kid off. They take off and you are there taking off from a dead stop, will it shift gears like you would in your manual 18speed trans? or dose it hold the gear your in till you make the top of the hill? Thank you
Hi Justin I'm doing fucking fantastic great video thanks for the info
I totally agree with what you're saying, I've been driving Allison's for 6 years now ,and the lack of power delivery between 3rd and 4th gears and also the throwing you out of gear on the 6th gear is very annoying, is about time Allison fix that they're charging a premium price to us ,right?
Great video!! What final drive gear ratio do you run Eaton vs Allison?
JUSTIN NEEDS TO BE A TALK SHOW HOST............SERIOUSLY
yes, fuckin sir!
I hate how the Allison in my Mack pushes me at red lights. Sometimes I'll just put it in neutral. Ours are also limited to like 5mph in reverse...so slow lol. Like you said they do well offroad though. I think the new trucks will have the Mack (Volvo) mDrive 12 speed.
The best video I see yet....
I absolutely love the automatic shift I think that’s a great idea makes it easy on your left leg in your right shoulder thank truck gods
Drive tractor with Eaton auto when pulling out as u say the cut if I lock it in manual and turn traction control off it won’t hesitate from wheel slip hate when that occurs when your entering into traffic
I forgot to mention one thing!!! I just love your intro to all your vids!!!
Jody Wright Try to keep it interesting
I have a 2015 pete 579 with the eaton automated. I set it up to tow my camper. Issue I have is that when I take off from a dead stop it so slow until I get up to 6 gear. I wish it shifted faster and quicker off the line like my ram 3500. Would the allison be a better option ? Cars behind me usually pas me cus I take off so slow.
New ALLISON AUTOMATICS go to full neutral when at a full STOP, then shift to the proper geat when taking-off.
Lookikg to buy an automatic freightliner 122sd and they have two transmissions, Eaton fuller and Allison. For sure dumps, what do you recommend? I hear autos break down often. The trucks have around 330k miles on them. Thank you
hey bud I have got eaton ultra-shift 10 speed . it shifts pretty hard from 7th to 9th gear. what could be the problem.
The Eaton is not a true automatic it is a automated manual that is why it shifts slow like a manual.
1450 rpm@ 64 mph with the Allison 505hp 1650tq 3.91 rear end YES?
Nice Trk.
Awesome Video. Driver Bends Bump Driver Buys New Bumper!
Happens to the best of them. If the front drops the bumper is going to get it.
No reason to get a new one, pull it off straighten the edge put it back. Same thing will happen again anyways. ✌🏾
Damn that first truck moves lol
Justin, you didn't talk about the cost of the Eaton, or anything regarding its cost of upkeep. Did Eaton charge you anything for the regional service tech. to reprogram the Ultra? How soon did the tech get to you after you called? How much is the clutch replacement? You also didn't talk about how each tranny handles starting on a grade.
Depending on your location, do you have difficult winters & do you use your trucks in the winter?
I shocked how fast and smooth it shifts how was it before you had it reprogrammed?
Hi we have Eaton auto shift 18 speed when we change thru the gears the revs don't come on as quickly as your is there any trick to this as Eaton mechanics here in Aust don't seem to know how to fix this .This is on all 8 trucks we have.as we change gears there is nothing at the pedal when it changes
You should put General Lee horns on all the trucks! =)
How many trucks you got now?? Still got the ol rebuilt western star? Or are you only running peterbuilts now?
If u can get it set up like yours that would be good the only auto I drove sucked I went back to a stick but if I had yours that would be the only way to go!
I liked the peterbilt one the best ,if you know what I mean !
I’ll stick with the 8LL.
Or better yet, a 13 or 18. IMO automatics have no business being in a big truck. If you can't drive a manual, you don't belong behind the wheel and are nothing but a steering wheel holder, not a driver. Unless you've been driving a manual all your life and lost a limb and can no longer drive one, then an auto would be ok for that reason. The Allison sucks, I don't care what anyone says. My truck has been in the shop to get my tarp fixed and I've had the displeasure of driving one for 2 days and can't stand it .... what a major POS trans it is .... constantly shifts up/down when not needed and no way to stop it.
@@brianzaborowski2724 exactly, I wouldn't even consider buying a truck with a automatic transmission, I want to make the decision which gear to use in any situation not the truck. If you can't drive a stick... then learn!!
@thronic if the world was ran by people like him we wouldn’t know what a transmission is bc we would still be riding horses. “Fuck your fancy Ford I like my horse” 🙄
I've been driving dump trucks for 22 years 8LL, 18 speeds, 13 speeds trans, and 10 speeds and now I got a new kenworth T880 with allisson transmission and let me tell you that I won't be back to manual stick shift anymore, I am working now more confortable and when the ground is too soft I just put the gears manual and I am who change the gears when the truck need it, normal driving I just use Driving mode and about braking it is amazing how the gears take off by themself when you set the engine brake, very confortable and safe truck.
In C2 mode, it should give you better fuel mileage, shouldn't it Jason ?
Why dont you run solo clutches in your eatons. They are auto adjust clutches with a wear indicator.
Definitely like how the shifter is in the 1st truck versus the 2nd. I think it's much nicer on the right side of the steering column instead of in the console. Allison might wanna consider this.
With the eaton once the truck senses any pressure in the brake line it throws it in neutral or down shifts, it also has a clutch unlike the Allison which is like an automatic in your car with a torque converter and your right, it's never in neutral unless you press n.
@@phantomfiveo1001 disengages the clutch, is that better?
@@ozzyo6733 yes technically not neutral
I just got a 2019 13 speed ultra shift Pete 567 super tag but I can’t get it into c2 mode ??? I did get it into L mode but do I need to get it re-programmed for the c2 mode ???
Bro do you like your transmission? I am going to buy 2020 579 Peterbilt with ultrashift plus 13 speed
just wanna throw out to you that Baldwin filters, and Mobil Oil have Manufacture approved replacement filters and lube for the allisons and the eatons
Thats a cool feature do you know if my 2015 579 eaton does this also? My auto shift is on the floor with push buttons.
How your truck works? I’m thinking on buying one
Ultra shift is very hard to back up on spreader.
Justin, I have been in the construction trucking industry for over 30 yrs now, I have a question. Why is it that all your new trucks are not spec"d the same? Such as Transmissions, engines, diff's, gearing, and the list goes on. Just wondering is all. thanks for the video's your a real kick in the pants!!
Trying different stuff to see what I like and what works the best
I drive a 16 567 quad with the ultra shift but a console shifter. I hate it!! Reverse is a pain. Id like to get it programmed like yours.
Right been driving a dump truck for 27years I hate that 8LL its a fuck up transmission 13sp or 18sp is the best
1450 rpm@ 64 mph Ultra shift 565hp 2050 tq gears?3.91 i would guess
But the Allison not having a true Neutral really helps the jake brakes and allow the truck to come to complete stop a lot quicker a neutral would automatically disengage The jake brake And increase breaking distance which is always a big big negative
Very expensive to fix if you're out off warranty.
You have some nice trucks
Allison blows away all the other automatics and are tough as nails.
So true! I drive a 2015 Mack with one.
Allison is the only true automatic transmission (Torque Converter) just until now because ZF Transmissions will bring their Powerline 8 automatic transmission to the market soon.
All the automated-manuals are just your typical multi-gear manual transmissions just now controlled by computers, electronics and solenoids...
I have a Eaton 10 speed ultrashift and it always starts in 1st gear and the gap between gears is a lot longer. And it don’t skip gears at all. Can a reprogramming fix this?
absolutely it will be a whole new truck once you do lol
18spd is best if you can drive it and are only one driving your truck. As far as hired drivers autos are great because good drivers are hard to find these days.
Allison has had a 10spd transmission for 15years. MCI has it in all of the j4500 coaches they operate.
Great video! I have a 2019, 579 with 13 speed ultrashift ( with the oem shifter like yours). Do u know how to reset the GI (grease interval) code? Thanks
@Francisco Reyes I believe a few squirts every 50k miles..
Bro have you found how to do it?and is ultrashift reliable?
Do you know what the torque limit is of the Allison? I was told 1650, someone else said 1850, another said 2050. What about the eaton ultrashift?
Sounds like Eaton needs to come up with a self adjusting clutch for the Ultra shift.
My 18 spd has the Solo clutch in it.
Brilliant, not like the annoying air actuated rough shifting eatons, but are these reliable? Do they require expensive maintenance @ 500k??
Where’s the trans cooler located on the eatons?
very informative video ! What are your thoughts on a Allison automatic when pulling a pup or tag trailer behind a dumptruck grossing out at 139000 pounds ?
Did you ever find out about that? It is what I want to do
Get the 4700, it’s the 7 speed,l. If you have the proper horsepower and torque, it will work good, along with the right axle ratio.
@B we have a mack granite triaxle with the allison. We used it for plowing, normal dump operations, paving/milling as well as pulling a tag trailer with our dozer or excavators and it worked perfectly. We didn't pull the weight you put in, but was 80k. It always worked flawlessly. Only problem we ever had was a cooler line ruptured.
Wow first time ive saw one .here in KY and WV we haul coal and never saw or Hurd of anyone having a auto .everyone has 18 speeds .retired long ago, each to there own but if I went back into it it would be manual or no go .Interesting though.
I get a 2020 kenworth t880 with eaton ultra shi tranmition and I only have the truck 5 days and the tranmition warning light are on alredy.
What was the problem? How has it been since then?