I Built A Hybrid Car In My Garage
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
- Hybrid cars are a compromise, never delivering the promised "Best of Both Worlds." But I built one anyway. Why? Was it a good idea? How well did it work? All good questions. All answered here.
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You should try to do 24hrs of LeMons. You clearly have a lot of experience with fabricating parts, finding junkyard stuff and creating Frankenstein's vehicles. Especially if you'd managed to bring in hybrid/compete for "best $500 EV".
And the 42 grand in nickles if he wins in an EV.
Get a women
@@jessereed8589 🤣 it's definitely working out for Rich
I forgot about LeMons. It's one of my small aspirations to compete in that someday. I just wanna blow up a junker tbh.
Half-baked & questionably good? Dude, I'm so there. 🤣
+1
same, I got it in my head today to take my old and never built idea of a extremely light weight car and instead of just stuffing a big motor in it, building it as a series 4wd hybrid, then I could use a cheap, small diesel to charge the batteries and provide power to the motors. just enough power that it could cruise at say 70 MPH, and the extra umph of the batteries to double the power or potentially even more. Not exactly the greenest option, but I really like the idea of all the power on tap from a dead stop that electric gives, and the relatively low cost of diesel power for the day to day cruising needs. What I dont know is what kind of losses are involved in the conversion from mechanical to electrical. It may not even be realistic. But I find the idea interesting nonetheless.
Please make a video for someone who is starting from scratch.
@@speedbuggy16v diesel electric is very common in the industrial world. Not sure why it hasn't been done with cars. Maybe weight? You'd need a pretty decent size diesel to do it with a car. Would make it heavy.
I've had the idea of getting a FWD manual Toyota Matrix/Pontiac Vibe, swapping in the rear suspension/diff from the AWD model, adding an electric motor to the diff and keeping the two powertrains separate. It would make for a more involved driving experience, but no extra engine management software is needed and that model can be flat towed.
Why do I keep watching this channel? I have no garage, no tools, no money…I guess it satisfies my need for failed projects.
Dude, in three videos you became my favorite channel on youtube. I so want to do the same project in the future.
It's only a matter of time...😄
And probably not very long.
Looking forward to the next one.
I watched him on lenos garage then just came here. When he said just a matter of time was my own thought as he was saying that.. I went from a 1982 yamaha 750 to a 1984 goldwing and that was tough those first miles. Then i get a 2009 Hayabusa and nicknamed it the "murdersickle".
If you just need reverse, maybe consider a system similar to the Honda Goldwing. Also a factor I didn't see mentioned: a bit of low end torque from the motor can help conserve the little motorcycle clutch. Can't wait to see more!
So I'm parallel hybriding my van with a Honda pan European v4 engine and a completely unknown forklift motor all going through the vans gearbox and I'm glad to see im not the only nutcase on the planet
Definitely an interesting project. It will probably be less efficient than the original Honda van powertrain, because bike engines are not typically very efficient (too fast, too much performance emphasis).
Why do you need to keep the van gearbox?
@@davidelliott5843 the bike's gearbox definitely couldn't handle the load of driving the van.
@@brianb-p6586 well a pan european is a big bike and is almost build like a car with only 100hp out of a 1.1l and shaft drive and a lot of people even tow with them so i think it will be fine
Nice project any chance you will make a short clip of the setup when finished
There's another type of hybrid. "Assist" hybrids use a small (relatively) electric motor to fill in low RPM torque, allow super-smooth engine idle-stop, and allow regenerative braking. They're relatively easy (compared to other hybrids) to implement. All it takes is an electric motor attached to the crankshaft via a belt or chain and of course batteries, power electronics, and a custom ECU. It's surprising they aren't more popular with tuners and DIYers today.
Perhaps more commonly known as "mild" hybrids.
@@ToastyMozartI would like to learn more about this. I have a 2008 toyota matrix. Great work car for my service business. Lots of space and reliable. It would be cool to energize the rear wheels with hub motors and a 4 or 5 kw battery. It would work in unison with the current 4cyl engine configuration. The possibilities.
I started following you after seeing your car on Jay Leno's garage... I had wanted to get something like a Geo Metro 3 cylinder car and put something like the Arctic Cat El Tigre 530 CC liquid cooled 2 stroke engine in place of the stock gasoline motor got.. It's got a lot more power and a heck of a lot more RPM but there are so many people doing snowmobile engines in car that someone lost interest, now I want to get one of the low-speed vehicles and make it a regular Highway Usage vehicle with a better motor and controller and so on and so forth. Most of them come with heat and air conditioning and modifying it to control the temperature and always have the HVAC unit running when it's plugged in would be fairly easy to do.
Your projects have certainly been a large part of my inspiration.
A lot of that was much easier to do before I became disabled, but having MS and being in a wheelchair I think adds to the difficulty level of anything I do.
Not that I expect you to check it out, but I added a power cycle attachment to the front of my wheelchair. It is on my RUclips channel if you do want to look... but I at least wanted to let you know that I enjoy seeing and or hearing about your projects.
I am thinking of building a hybrid car for myself for about 5 years. Last month I talked to an engineer of the German technical inspection (TÜV). He told me that i should forget about it because it is almost impossible to get it road legal here. It would count as fabricating a "new car" and i would have to pass all emissions standarts of 2020 even though the base car is an MG TF of 2003. Pretty dissaponting.
Passing emissions is not hard. You will be using a custom ecu anyway.
@@m0rtifiedpenguin passing normal emissions is easy, I belive he wasnt talking about them. Getting your car past newer emissions test (what car manifacturers go trought) as a normal person is super expensive.
@@AdBul_ manufacturers do that in a rolling road and preprogrammed speeds. Apparently it takes about 15 minutes per run. Same can be done with a portable gas sensor analyser and a real life drive.
@@m0rtifiedpenguin yeah, but its still expensive. If i remember correctly some years back it was 5k€ for them to aprove of your tests for them to be valid.
Considering that motorcycle engines have lousy low-end torque (and no reverse), the hybrid idea still sounds good. Also, could the motor go in the rear? That might improve the weight distribution. I'd like o see this concept with a better (possibly smaller) motor.
Some motorcycles have reverse. Goldwing for example uses the starter.
I have heard of through-the-road hybrids, but I don't know that I have ever seen a successful example.
Not all motorcycle engines have terrible low-end torque.
Some of the big singles have great torque, compared to their HP.
V twins, parallel twins & big single cyl motorcycle engines make more low end power 🆚 4 small cylinders
Dont forget Kawasaki's supercharged liter bike! Lotta horsepower and they've been out for a few years
Junkyard supercharge the bike engine is a cool idea.
I think he'll want to stick with Honda so the car has some pedigree
The Honda 600 with a 1000RR R Fireblade driveline sounds so half baked and unquestionably good.
my ac project on my old honda is to electrify it's power and basically remove the ac load from the engine. might do some other things but it'll be fun.
and i'm def gonna nab up a quarter piece of a volt battery like you did. only need a couple Kwhr of juice for my needs.
You're quite obviously a smart guy, well smarter than the average Yogi bear at least. These videos are very well done and very well explained, I love that. I also love your very dry sense of humour, that's pretty cool.
Thank you, I'm glad you enjoy the videos!
I think, one of the best images is the last couple of "frames", from your Leno roll ....the car goes past & the sun is shining through the car and onto the road. Brill!!!
Safety... 3rd😂
Error: safety not found
Driving inside a bad drum solo was very funny, thank-you!
Hybrids are the best type of engines out there, only pros.
Still waiting for the RR-R
We're all about half baked and questionably good. I am so subscribed!
11:10
Word of warning; you need a lot of Tesla modules to escape voltage sag, so use them for long range builds, not high power builds
So, I'm definitely no engineer, but I've always loved the idea of having a truck that would be hybrid 4 wheel drive. I'm not sure how practical it would be, but in my mind it makes sense for the front two wheels to be driven by an electric drive drain and the back by ICE. The idea would basically be to maximize fuel efficiency during a commute, but maximize power when hauling/loading the vehicle. I think this setup would also have a lot of potential in off road applications, since the front wheels would have higher torque while the rear would have higher power. I loved your video man! Its really got my cogs turning. Maybe when I retire I can tackle my dream Tacoma build if Toyota doesn't beat me to it by then 🤣🤣🤣
The Ford Lightning should have been a small turbo diesel / electric hybrid instead of all electric.
I think small EV make sense but not all electric trucks meant for towing/hauling.
The pictured Tesla power train unit has ceramic bearings that no will sell, also has some pretty kludgy looking design elements.
For reverse gear without the electric powertrain - couldn't you flip polarity on the starter motor while the trans is in 1st gear, with killswitch active? Pardon me if it already works this way or if the car is too heavy. I recall old Honda Goldwings doing this for reverse.
The starter on this bike engine has a one-way clutch, so that won't work unfortunately.
Maybe an electric motor could be adapted to the back of the differential, a bit like the jet powered differential they used to sell to drag racers. The motor would thus be quieter, and needed rpm range much less. Plus, no chain.
Love it. I always wanted to do a homebrew hybrid. My idea was to toss a rear end with like a golf cart motor into the back of a FWD car, and then wire it up to just trigger full tilt anytime the car was at full throttle. 😎
Toyota hybrid transmissions have two electric motors that make decent power and can be slightly overdriven. They are also relatively powerful for their low price
It looks like you attempted to design and fabricate a 4WD transfer case. All of the issues that you encountered (noise abatement, chain stretch, lubrication etc.) are issues that had to be dealt in some manner with OE transfer case designs going back at least 80 years. I know that you've moved past this project, but the concept is interesting and if someone else wanted to attempt a homebrew P3 parallel hybrid drive like this, an old "part time" 4wd transfer case might be a way to pull it off since the chain drive part is already engineered and often torque specifications are available. Also, the chain is already self-contained within a case, so its safer. For a motor, a liquid cooled IPM out of a Smart EV and an Axiom controller might be a better choice with respect to cooling and launch torque. I've seen them on ebay, but I would guess that getting one from a boneyard in Europe would be a cheaper option, even with shipping/customs included.
1:45 I agree, which is going to lead me to building a kit cobra, seems like a wonderful way to learn.
Awesome! The first video I've ever seen with NO thumbs down! Fantastic! Good job on your corner scales!
Thank you SO MUCH for making this video and excellent visual explaining your process. My dream/goal is to retrofit a diesel rwd pickup truck with a hybrid or plug in hybrid, likely by using a similar setup albeit with utility in mind over performance. The used tesla setup seems like it would work great (WITH the right engineer looking at it). The plan is to run the ICE with biodiesel reclaimed from local sources and supplement that with a battery pack that can be charged either by using the engine as a generator or with a solar panel (or just plugged into the wall outlet if I really have to)
Mate Rimac used a chain driver. Koenigsegg used a gm 400 lock up torque converter with an electric motor coupled to where the harmonic balancer lives. Another took an AC X0 motor and coupled it with a supercharger belt. We're all seeing this and we're all trying. Keep up the good work. Get Limor Fried in on this and maybe she could hack something on Arduino. Subbed. Thanks
Remember this kinder, gentler Matt from years past? 😅
How about a motor with shafts on both ends. One end splined directly to the pinion shaft. The other end, of course, to the drive shaft. Motor would have to mount to the differential housing and engine torque would be going through the motor, so some beefiness would be required. This sounds like a big heavy expensive motor, but it could work, and would not need the belt or chain.
Or, a motor coupled directly to the front of the crankshaft. That could work as drive assist, starter, and generator (Like the Bell 206 that I use).
I'm not the first to think up any of this, and I know it's complicated. Clearly that does not stop you.
I looked into this. It would be the ideal setup, but some stress calculations on the available two-outelt motors I found were not up to the task of dealing with the ICE torque. Just based on the shaft diameter. Especially so when multiplied up through the transmission.
@@SuperfastMatt So true. The electric motor would endure the ICE torque on the input end. The output end would handle ICE torque plus the electric motor torque. Probably a lot. How much? Well, it would be fun to drive. I'm thinking a shaft diameter similar to that of the the pinion shaft, because I don't see that breaking. That's how I like to do math. Here's another way to consider it, though: I was once asked how big a differential needs to be for a given amount of power. The answer lies not with the engine, but with the mass of the car. That's why trucks need bigger gears even though they have less power than say a muscle car. Your little car is not pushing a bus. Still, such a mystery motor might not fit anyway.
Gates sells polychain GT belts with carbon core. Generally it's direct swap from a chain drive as in same pulley diameter and same width of chain for width of belt. sound is a huge improvement and so is downtime if it fails as long and you have a spare belt.
Batteries are for cranking an lights , I love this car with just the bike engine ! I've always wanted to do something like this , lack of money or busy doing something else as usual
Very entertaining and interesting video! as an engineer that likes to tinker with cars myself the things you do are awsome!
I have always wondered if it would be possible to make the hybrid conversion with a differential. Using it in reverse, two inputs and one output, that way you could make a hybrid^2. And maybe you don't have to worry about the motor RPMs so much. The main problem that I see with such a setup is that if the wheels have to much resistance and the electric motor is powerful enough it could force the engine to run in reverse, which would be a bad day. So it would probably need a ratchet mechanism to prevent that from happening. It would be difficult but interesting to see.
You seem to be describing a power splitter, used as a power combiner. You should look up how Toyota hybrids work - they all use this design.
@@brianb-p6586 Thanks, will do.
Most of your complaints seem to be related to trying to put hybrid technology in a small car that required putting the motor in line with the engine (and behind the transmission at that). I've really been thinking lately about getting a project car like an older 911 4 with AWD, and disconnecting the center driveshaft to put a motor to run the front diff. That would allow the existing engine to power the rear wheels, and even allow software to control the front to rear split. Based on your experience do you think this is possible?
Also love this build, hybrid or not it is great work.
What about an Electric car with an ICE "range extender" (mainly electric but with a small engine as a generator to achive higher milleage). In fact...how much smaller can a ICE be to be useful as a generator for a EV...
It's hard to enjoy the full potential of an electric hybrid with so little space and the components pretty much in embedded fixed mode, like the transmission inside the engine. A DC brushless system and a high voltage battery pack doesn't need a transmission anyhow. Another option is hub motors inside the wheels for an AWD type setup and the cool electronic differential action. I personally would just make electric and a get home emergency gen or reserve battery pack to switch to like the valve on the bottom of a motorcycle gas tank. I love the quiet and the 100% torque at 1RPM nature of electrics.
Awesome videos. I like the honesty. It helps others not make all the same mistakes and save a ton of time and money.
Honda S600 FIREBLADE
Now that is a fucking rad sounding name for a car.
I would love to see a kit that goes in a pickup truck and only attaches a gear at the drive shaft and chains up to the motor in your bed
7:44 that youtube chain guard...... 🤣
I'd be horrified if that thing would drive beside me 2 lanes over
its nice to see people outside eruope doing stuff with mopeds
I kinda thing that Hybrids are the worst of both worlds. A huge amount of extra complexity. I think the best case for a Hybrid is long distance where electric range is not enough on large heavy vehicles where the regen really works well. In a light sports car I remain to be convinced. His plan of a new engine seems perfect to me and I loved this experiment.
There are AWD Lexus SUVs and Prius cars out now. They use a small electric transaxle in the rear. You could run a driveshaft in one side and out the other of this. Just replace the CV shafts.
So I am expermenting with a similar setup on a lt4 and g96 tranmission, and tesla small drive unit. The trick is doing a dual clutch, dual flywheel setup. Geared right at about 2.54:1, the tesla motor can chain drive the intermediate flywheel and not destroy 530 chains.
By far my favorite car on you tube. I'm kinda glad it didn't work out. Love your work.
Have you considered a cruiser motorcycle drivetrain with shaft drive? Good low end torque for moving a car body and the shaft should be quieter.
The hybrid hybrid joke earned my subscription...
I think you and Wesley kagan have the coolest automotive things on RUclips
Howdy,
Very interesting endeavor. Sorry that the parts were disappointing.
I have a pet project of taking a fwd Oldsmobile Toronado 66 and adding a rear axle with an electric motor, to sort of pretend I get infinite gas mileage in the city, maybe 20 miles range. Your menton of swapping in a used Tesla powertrain may be an interesting other option.
Thanks for the inspiration and keep on trucking (from Gig Harbor)
Great video, would love to see more on this car.
More power solution-turbo. I don't know how well that motor holds up to boost, but there are many that do quite well in stock form to well over 200HP.
I'm glad you finally made a full video diving into the details of making a sandwich, this part really confused me before. Where is the avocado??
Holy shit dude. Love your attitude. I lmao at "this electric motor is a piece of shit"! Lmao haha dude I'm subscribing! Keep it up!
I have the same idea though. My car is basically a front wheel drive hatchback manual but I want to put the electric motors at the back wheels.
I have no background in engineering or science, but I have a shit ton of half-baked ideas that keep me up at night 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I was just watching you part 1 and 2 on this car, saw the reverse addressed and wondered "wonder if he thought about a small battery and motor?" being an RC enthusiast. Here's my answer!
That series/parallel hybrid drivetrain is what the Chevrolet Volt is.
I'm watching this because I'm interested in building a gas-electric 1990 4Runner. Safety 3rd. Got it.
I just picked up a Mitsubishi imev electric car and the running gear would be perfect and easily converted to your little micro Honda I suggest keep your eyes peeled for one of these 2012 Mitsubishi electric vehicles
I agree with your comments about motenergy cooling. F
I luv how explaining... u da best
U and matt happel are my heroes.
So really, the dimension of the c rating is hour^-1. It's the reciprocal of the discharge time in hours, or the number of full discharges per hour.
why couldnt you put the elec motor in the drive shaft with direct drive in and direct drive out . no chains or sprockets
I’ve been slowly working up a electric conversion sport bike. I’m stuck on the controller currently. I want a Curtis but I’ve also heard good things about Kelly, and whichever I end up choosing it becomes a problem of money haha. The bike (rolling chassis) I’m using is a 90s Kawasaki Ninja 600 that threw a rod out the side of the block. My motor is a large 9” diameter, 11” long 48VDC unit, pulled from a forklift with a busted transaxle. I also am looking into a Chevy Volt battery, as you’re the third or fourth person with nothing but good stuff to say about them. I’d love to brainstorm with you more about my project. I should probably make a video about it...
Can you do something with ring drive, like a ghett0 "Orbis" type electric system, even if its just rim mounted small electric motors on an RC car or go kart, I feel that independently powered wheels are the future for gas to electric or hybrid conversions. Makes way more sense than fabricating, tuning, troubleshooting, etc, when you can buy a refurbished battery pack from anywhere, and 2 or 4 orbis wheels for like 10k and have a rolling chassis driving in one day, straight out of a barn, with no mechanical experience.
perfect is temporary, but shoddy lasts forever
If you try again you should try making it AWD instead of having it run in parallel to the RWD drivetrain.
See if you can find an rsv-4 engine to put in it! And if you're getting a newer bike engine, at least you'll have a quickshifter and blipper compatibility, so you'll only need the clutch for starting and stopping haha. Looking forward to it!
What about attaching an/two electric motor on the front wheel(s)? That way you could disengage them at higher speeds, meaning you could use one/two with more torque at lower RPM, and you would still have the option of reverse.
I imagine they would be much easier to cool as well, being further in the front and not behind the engine.
I thought about that but there's just no room in this car for anything up front. I wish there were good inexpensive hub motors.
@@SuperfastMatt I worked on a fairly confidential GT hybrid car (1.2 THP 200bhp on the front and twin Yasa P400 for each wheel in the back). We ruled out hub motors, for any kind of power they are too heavy to handle for any reasonable suspension. On a such a lovely small car, I doubt it would be pleasant to drive... Maybe in the back it wouldn't be that bad but on the front it's a no-no.
@@TheThunderwars interesting
why not use front hub motors? so you actually do not have to do any coupling between motors and engine and power would go strait to the ground. that would help you with regenerative brake.
Please do another hybrid. I’ll even help out/collaborate, if that helps at all!
Idea, Hybrid with Turbo. High Torque in low revs handled by electric engine, high torque high revs from the turbo
Looking forward to a RR-R getting wrapped around a tree; should be just after it starts raining. Hope they survive, obvs.
6:15 your motor mount looks like it will strain several degrees out of alignment. More web, fasteners further apart! The motor should have a rear bearing support!
Rather than a chain, could you have instead joined the shaft of the electric motor to the output of the transmission and the front a shortened prop shaft (effectively making the electric motor shaft part of the prop shaft)?
Nigel, in the previous videos he installed a reverse gear that had an offset. The offset helped line up the output shaft of the transmission with the drive shaft. I think he was trying to duplicate that.. I wondered if he couldn't do that with a gear train instead.
Someone should do something with an old (early model) corvair. I particularly like the 4 door version. They look like something that came out of a Jetson's cartoon. You can get them super cheap.
Cool project. Love the car. It’s awesome you tried this and put your experience out there. The question would be is...... about how expensive was this upgrade you tried? Would be great to have a ball park idea.
I'm bad at keeping track of that sort of stuff, but I want to say about $5k to get the electric part in.
SuperfastMatt thanks for the reply. Cool to know. I’ve thought of doing something like what you did (with a different vehicle) but obviously I got drowned down by the unknowns. I did however build a home built reverse trike powered by a 1200 Suzuki bandit and that project has ran me about $6k. It still has plenty left to do though lol. Thanks again.
All my cars are hybrids. They run on hope and prayers
I'm pretty sure that all of the problems encountered in this project could have been solved with one or more turbochargers.
What about Transistor instead of a battery for a Hybrid. A Diesel Chevy Cruze with a 55hp electric motor and a 3Kwh Transistor set up on a controller that uses the diesel to keep the transistor topped up first and the electric as the main source of juice.
the only suitable engine after this is either a goldwing flat 6 or a CBX750 Straight 6.
And newer Goldwings will have a reverse gear.
This is the coolest video ever.
Love your build.... keep going... build another one.....
Snark to perfection.
"Remember, safety......third" hahahaha
👍👍😎👍👍. I’m so impressed with how much work went into this failure. Some very crazy ideas are obviously good, and some are clearly not. Thanks for highlighting both.
Would be super sweet to have a turbo Busa engine .
Also make it so the boosted exhaust spins a generator sparkler thingy to recharge the battery like the Porsche 918 does
Thanks for sharing
I would like to learn how to do the installation for the conversion of any car to a micro hybrid
Other small such motor recommendations for same project
Nice project. New project? how about a Porsche 944?
I don't doubt that the Motenergy 1304 is undesirable, but the cooling design may make a lot more sense than you realize, Matt. A typical motor is a radial flux design: a cylinder surrounded by coils backed up by iron laminations, best cooled by a jacket around the outer cylindrical casing. I guess you didn't disassemble yours or look at a drawing of the internal construction, but the ME1304 (and various related Motenergy models, and everything from Emrax and Yasa) is an axial-flux motor: the rotor is a disk in the middle, with coils on each side... so the only viable cooling locations are the end faces.
This is a cross-section of the ME1304, from a discussion of another project which took it from ev-power.com.au, which no longer seems to have it posted... www.pilotodyssey.com/PO/download/file.php?id=55888&sid=7ece0797be92d9437f6cae9da36bc812