Chevrolet's e-motor kit to convert gas cars to EVs is EPIC
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- Chevrolet's e-motor kit to convert gas cars to EVs is EPIC
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Love the idea of conversation kits. They do need to make them affordable.
They are affordable. You're building a car. Your comment alone tells me you've never completed a build before. When you're finished it's going to be around the same price of a new car if not more. The quality and the sense of accomplishment you get because you did it yourself is what compels people to build a vehicle not the affordability...
The Ford kit is comparable to swapping engines
@@kendellmoore8367 Well yeah, but here's the thing: you're dealing with very high voltage and if you do something wrong, you can die! And while I'm sure there are plenty of MIT engineers and other quasi-geniuses out there, the typical person or even gear head can NOT simply do their own EV. These companies will sell you plenty of components but good luck getting everything programmed and working!!!!!! It's FAR FAR FAR from plug & play! So no, I've not completed a build and even though I can build a house and design some electrical circuits, I'm not capable or comfortable trying to do this on my own.
We need better storage than lithium or kobalt, and better energy production than fossil fuels or coal.
@@erisgh0sted961 not gonna happen.
I completely agree with your outlook on humankind. It's shocking to me that many can't seem to understand this concept. Rather than appreciating the positive changes, people tend to focus on a handful of unfortunate events and use that as a justification to paint the world in a dismal hue.
This is exactly what I want to do to my Winnebago. It's got a ton of room for a huge lithium pack, and plenty of room up top for solar.
Remember that the room taken up by batteries is going to take some if not most storage space, RVs are typically pretty good about minimizing wasted space as they are. Also keep in mind that the uphill range loss is even worse in heavy vehicles. Not impossible, but something to keep in mind.
Alternatively, this would make for possibly the best BLM roamer. Park in BLM land, charge over the course of 2 weeks, then go 20 miles over to your next spot
I think it would be a great conversion because a motorhome weighs half what a commercial bus does. Most people do not drive more than 300 miles in a day. Spend 2-3 days in an area recharging with your solar on the roof. Especially with todays gas prices.
@@specialopsdave I thought I'd put the batteries underneath, between the frame rails. Maybe give the whole rig a two inch lift to help keep clearances.
I'm confident it can be done!
@@jimbojones9665 Interesting. Just be careful to remember that the frame flexes, so make sure the battery mounting hardware can flex too. Also consider undercarriage protection, so you can roam dirt roads out in BLM without worry; BLM lands are where I feel that setup would work best
AtlisMotorVehicle has a platform just for this very purpose.
I'm planning to use the battery pack and electric motor drive unit from a wrecked 2019 Nissan Leaf Plus model in my old 2000 Frontier pickup. The Leaf drive unit has 250 ft. lbs of torque and 215 Hp which is better than the V6 it's replacing. The entire battery pack should fit and sit nicely in the bed. These old Frontier pickups are built so well it makes the perfect donor vehicle for an around town beater especially one that never needs gasoline or oil.
Please document as much of it and share if you can, might inspire more! I for one would be very interested as hopefully a little later on I may try the same in my 71 ford Falcon Ute or Y60 Nissan Patrol Ute all the way here in Southern Africa, Zambia.
@@kwalelalipimile9245 - Nice idea. Keep in mind that the 62kWh battery packs weigh over 900 lbs. Make sure the UTE can carry that. Might need to beef up the suspension a bit.
@@Tron-Jockey td42 weighs about 1000 lbs but yeah seeing as most will likely be in the back, a beefed up suspension is key. Fortunately already being attended to as I want to be using it for weekend excursions in the mean time, running 33”s on some upgraded leaf springs
Would LOVE to see that process
What about all the lubricating parts that need fossil oil to continue to work? Or all the other components that need fossil oil to make? And than the cost to retrofit the components without warranty. You are California Dreaming.
I have an MG Midget that was converted to EV some years ago. It has eleven 12 v batteries wired in series and an electric motor from a forklift. It needs to be changed over to Li Ion for better range.
Cool!
I've often thought a Mazda MX5 would also be a sweet little EV.
Have you checked BatteryHookUp? I purchased cells from them and they were inexpensive and decent quality, they have Ev modules also.
This is going to be a big deal in a few years. Once all the components are readily available as off the shelf and competitive, small enterprises will spring up that specialize in particular vehicles. Compact pickups... no longer available from manufacturers, plus conventional pickups should be obvious candidates. The real Ford Ranger... not the newer fakes... were once sold as fully electric back in the 90's as 'compliance' cars, mostly in California. Would love to see that come back big time. Way back when... like 1960... you could get engine repair packages for Volkswagens from Sears. Hopefully soon Amazon will be on this. Can't wait.
The components are readily available. It's determining where and how to install enough batteries to have a 100 mile range.. re-engineering the entire chassis to have room for batteries is not something your avg guy is set up to do. Anyone can pull out a engine and swap it to electric...but without batteries u have a electric paper weight.
@@kennedy6971 these systems are compact. The motor, controller, and some of the battery would fit in the engine compartment. After that, it is balancing the car by splitting the battery between the engine compartment, and where that gas tank used to be.
That is why older pickups are so much easier to deal with. Room between the frame rails or just make a new custom truck bed/box which is also the battery box. The stock ones are crap anyway. I used to make custom heavy duty truck beds and Rv puller decks.
GM had promised the Bolt EV powertrain as a crate engine for conversion projects and we never saw the light of this.
thank God
It needs to be a "complete kit" with selectable components (just like you customize PC's), motor, controller, battery, controls, key protection, crash sensing disable, possible cooling, etc...
$$$
EV West has some cool stuff
indeed, drop in kits with motor and all auxillaries, eg elec vac pump, elec a/c compressor etc already hooked up with receiver for remote sensors such as throttle, brake, gyro etc . Plus battery pack in modular configurable set up to allow different installations / weight distributions
Then the whole lot mass produced to get price down to sub $25k :)
A rock solid conversion ICE to EV is a massive untapped market that would save the landfill scape yards from getting overwhelmed with ICE cars as EV ramp up to scale
Yamaha makes a great ev conversion motor package.. fyi
Might not be landfill fodder, hopefully crush them and melt them down if practical.
Crate motors are for models of significance like a 1966 mustang or a pre unleaded petrol Holden. That would be prior to 1980. The manufacturers DO NOT want people to put EV motors in to anything less than ten years old. Preferably less than 25 years old. This is a marketing burp
@@SunriseLAW Sounds good.
@@SunriseLAW if you love your ICE car, but live in a post ICE era, you’ll need conversion to keep that car you love/classic able to drive it.
Much harder in practice than it sounds - the devil is in the details. Brake servos that need manifold vacuum, aircon, heating, safe battery enclosures, interfacing with existing vehicle controls & instrumentation etc. etc....
It will also high light all of the shortcomings of the old technology.
@Dfin glide Like what, reliability???? I’ll keep my 20 year old truck that I can fix over a POS Tesla that if the touchscreen stops working, the whole car is garbage and you gotta drop thousands🤔🤔🤔
@@grandwizard9088 I agree with what you say. E-motor kit to convert gas cars to EVs is EPIC STUPIDITY.
A company is converting Fiat 500s for about €6,000 in one day, and the French government is including such conversions in their €5,000 grants program. They specialize on a few smaller city cars, but they have the process down pat.
Name of the company?
If you have the money to spend, I suppose a crate EV package might be a thing to do with a lot of smaller model cars that tend to get overlooked. Might have the footprint of an inline-4 rather than a V-8. The more challenging part would be fitting the supporting components.
May be easy to replace motor but fitting a battery pack and weight problems. I don’t see it happening other than one offs and a small market.
Small market to be sure but maybe not trivial. A lot of gear heads spend 10's of thousands customizing or hotroding old cars. Had neighbor with his "Sunday driver" with $50k engine.
Thats why old pickups are the perfect donors for conversion. The battery packs are flat and will fit nicely in the bed.
I would only consider this for a light car where limited range is acceptable.
@@Tron-Jockey As the driveshaft is removed, the batteries can fit under the bed. I've got a Dodge Rampage front wheel drive trucklet that could be adapted that way.
Transition One in France is doing this for the bottom end of the market - you can convert a basic car to an EV for about 5000 euros.
I have great confidence in the ability of GM to take this concept and f*** it beyond any possibility of human recognition. Consider the EV-1. etc.
I'm glad that I bought my Chevy Bolt EUV before all this subscription nonsense got into GM. I do love the idea of "crate propulsion" to the EV market. The kit needs to be complete, that's important.
Great channel and you do a great job of covering everything EV. Can I suggest improving your studio presence with green screen or maybe your working on studio now. I think your channel has much to offer as we progress down the road of electrification. Keep up the good work Mr. Viking. 😉
Absolutely love this idea. The easier it can be made to convert old cars to electric, the better for all of us.
All this electrification is pointless unless we build nuclear power plants..........
@@grandwizard9088 Cheaper, easier, and shorter runway to deploy solar and wind. Solar is now the cheapest source of energy in human history.
@Rob Bailey If your actually interested in “Sustainability” and “Clean energy” 1 nuclear station can power 10 million homes and last 100 yrs.......... Or 1 solar panel can supply 100watts of power and 1 wind turbine can supply 1000 homes and solar and wind last on average 25yrs then they are buried in landfills........ which one do you need more of to achieve MAX energy output?????
@@grandwizard9088 I'm all for nuclear power. It's a great addition to the energy mix, the problem is the upfront cost and the timeline. It's in the neighborhood of $5 billion and 10 years. So we need major public investment and we need to start yesterday.
As for solar panels, the silicon and metals are close to 100% recyclable. As the industry ramps up, there's going to be incentives to avoid throwing them in landfills. Still, landfills aren't the leading cause of greenhouse gas emissions. We need to shift the world economies off of petroleum.
@@grandwizard9088 so what are you going to do with the nuclear waste that each plant generates and you'll need to store for a couple of thousand years long after the plant that generated that waste is gone?
We have it in Germany, also a lot for small trucks, but the prices are so high that it makes no sense to convert.
Keep on going and growing Viking. Doing great 👍🏻
Hey, image is GM dealers started offering the entire conversion in the service bay! This could be a huge money maker. They could make more off this and selling a new car.
Bollocks.
thanks for doing what you do for us.... I learn a lot from you!!
E crate is good idea. More brands need to get into this.
Never paying for any car services.. unless a cell/Internet or something.
We as us citizens should get gov subsidiaries to do this like gm did
I have a 65 corvette that was handed down from my grandfather to my dad and now to me. It needs completely restored from the ground up and I would love putting in a EV motor in it.
Been there, done that. I converted a VW Rabbit to electric. The result was a perfectly usable car. With today's battery tech, it could be so much better. But, that said, you lose so much. EVs are designed for the torque curve of an electric motor (i.e., no transmission), has accessories (e.g., vacuum pump, A/C) that don't require the motor to be spinning, ... Sure, you can convert a classic car to electric but if you want something to drive every day, shop for something new.
There are all manner of electric driven accessories that can be installed. Ultimately though if the car is old there will be a lot of work and cost to add in everything you might need.
I'd get a cheap new electric car instead of looking to convert an old vehicle to electric b/c that'd still be plenty of other components to repair down the road on an old car thus making a lot more sense in my mind to only convert nice classic cars.
This is pie in the sky.... the weight of the batteries will overwhelm any suspension if put in the trunk. Only a truck can handle the weight and not make handling a mess.
Yes Logan,, care taken where/ how much weight is placed . If range is kept to city commute, can be done.
It is not just dropping a electric motor under the hood. It is going to take major modifications for the battery, wiring, controls, and gauges. Will this include regenerative braking? Another major project.
Ford's "crate motor" being sold without an inverter or software is like selling an ICE crate engine without the pistons and valves. It's also the exact same motor in the mach-e.
Yes! The other critical components like batteries, a battery management system and some main computer to tie it all together is also missing. It's vaporware
This is Gadget from the documentary revenge of the electric car. I have been doing conversions for about two decades now. If Ford and GM want to make motors available for conversions of old cars, they’ll need to make something that works with an old car. What I’ve been doing so far is either swapping in a whole Tesla drive and suspension into an old car or making an modification to a Tesla drive so that I can connect it to an existing driveshaft. So far what I’ve seen with the Eluminator from Ford is that they are mounting the unit into a Tesla suspension and then spending an additional $20,000 on an inverter. The big car companies are really going to have to step up since you can purchase a slightly used Tesla drivetrain with suspension for less than $6000. Or the drive unit with inverter for around 3500.
I have had a Chevy Bolty since 2020, and I'm forced the have OnStar, MyChevrolet and a Mobile Internet subcription ($59.90/month) just so I can contact and maintain my car-- all this is free on my Tesla.
Extracting every mile possible from an existing ice powertrain is the greenest thing to do.
Thanks for highlighting this option,
Have you seen the guy who, including the purchase price of the chassis, did it for about $1200? Used electric motor from a forklift, used batteries, used controller.
I recall how GM was in absolute panic mode when the Honda Accord first came out. The best they could do in response was the Citation (X-body). Anyone remember that? Or how about when diesel was the rage and GM’s response was to put new heads, fuel pump, and two batteries on an Impala. 4:08
I'm into it, just been looking for the right motor. There isn't many great cost effective options for trucks.
Appreciate the positive energy!
I’m having a beautiful ‘64 Beetle converted to electric drive right NOW!
Thanks for the news! Can't believe Ford had an electric crate motor for sale and this is the first time I'm hearing about it. They should pay you to advertise these things.
I converted my 1997 s-10 15 years ago and it lasted 13,000 miles before the 24 6 volt lead acid batteries was toast and my 2013 volt lasted 24,000 miles before it had 2 weak cells, but I got GM to give me one section of battery, but the dealership charge me 2,000 for the harness.
Take a look at Edison motors. They're out of Canada. Couple of youngsters are building e-axles that will trade out for the original axles on off-road lumber trucks. They're huge. They're also able to trade out axles on business trucks, e450 size to wheel or four-wheel drive and set it up with or without a diesel generator backup. Surprising what a couple of people highly motivated can put together when the big automakers in the United States are sitting on their hands
I do quite a lot of ebike conversions, granted there is much less involved but the premise and utility of conversions is absolute Gold!
Huge future market where I predict EV conversion shops in every town and city.
I sure HOPE SO !!!! I want to keep all my older cars as long as I can.
Where do you get crate fuel tanks (battery holders) to go with the crate e-motors?
You need to do more research about conversions. There are companies in America that have been doing ICE to Electric conversions for the last 25 years or more. They also sell kits for the mechanically inclined.
Excellent idea! And actually greener to reuse old vehicles.
Yes...there is a lot of pollution generated when fabbing a brnd new car...no matter if it is ICE, EV or FCEV.
Great idea that is economically responsible for the good of the world.
EV conversions to classic cars is very popular in the Seattle / Portland area. Parts can be a problem though, but Fantastic idea GM - BTW make them in AMERICA, please.
I like Edison motors idea of having a small cat generator that charges the batteries with e-axels
The crate motor is new. BUT converting ICE to EV has been around for 10+ years. Meanwhile my converted trikes (cost $2,000 including lead acid batteries) in the Philippines are not allowed to be registered. So therefore we can't drive them. Hopefully this problem is limited to countries infamous for their corruption.
I want a vehicle that is basic without any extras except AC and power windows and a great stereo system
Thank you, Fred Flintstone.
It’s awesome, but we are mostly not there yet .
It wont cost me that much. Im blessed to know how to work on anything that is motorized. An the skill to figure it out if I've never worked on a vehicle before.
Now that I have seen it done on the ford I am all for it.
I just saw where a battery company came up with a battery system that charges in 10 minutes runs 400 miles in their car fantastic now are they need is charging stations throughout the whole United States of America
I had this idea years ago... Along with millions of other people, I'm sure. This would also employ all the mechanics that would be out of work when EVs take over, and save the energy required to produce all the cars on the road all over again.
Jack Rickard put a bit effor toward it... Jack sadly passed 2020.... EVmotorVerks.... Jack had an interesting life story, could see things a long way out. He started a magazine in the early 80's called Broardwatch, he had a feeling that ; 'this internet coulkd be a thing'
I'm hoping the solid-state battery I've been hearing about from I think Toyota can actually hit Market by 2028.
My dad has a 81 Pontiac Trans Am,, the EV would breathe new life to it for sure
A while back, I saw a video of a shop in France that did exactly the same thing. The same model of a run out ICE car you purchased for cheap, went into his shop in the morning and came out in the afternoon as a finished battery car, for cheap. Different shops could specialize in a particular model for significant savings to customers. There is, IMHO, no cheaper way to go to a batterycar, in this particular planet. Good for lions, tin or straw men, and Earthlings
I drive collectable cars that are between 25 annd 45 years old. I would LOVE to convert ALL of them. Just waiting for the installed price to get down to $7500.
Check out the French EV retrofit company, Transition One. They have a business model to electrify old small diesel cars. They promise to convert the car in about 4 hours for about $8k. Range is only 50 miles, but that's fine for a city car. They promise this for a handful of very popular cars.
Hub caps on that Ford look like 60's GMC/Chevy.
Where do the batteries go and what are the options?
Maybe this is the worst-case scenario, but I have had four Jeep GCs (5.9, 4.7, 5.7 HEMI, 5.7 HEMI). The complex All-wheel drive system sent them to the junkyard between 165k mi and 200k mi. The engines never failed. I don't know who these kits are for but putting even a $55k electric drivetrain in a $10k car doesn't sound feasible.
There is a Chinese company that builds retro American cars on a BYD skateboard for less cost. I would go with one of those.
I want an electrified land yacht! A boat tail Riv? A Lincoln Conti, circa 1964? An Imperial? A clamback gm wagon!
Ford did this a year ago too. But they soon realized that they needed to cancel the program because they could not supply all the batteries. GM will cancel this program in short order you can bet on it.
This is being done for publicity. Tesla probably can't reach this target market. Many of the enthusiast publications and web sites will cover this . Many of the project cars in the magazines are one-off vehicles anyway. GM has dealers and motorhead fans in small cities all over the U.S.
A friend of mine is putting a Tesla motor in his Porsche Cayman. He was going to go with the Ford motor, but the Tesla was cheaper and had many upsides.
Now if only the cost of electricity would come down and if they could keep the electricity on all the time.
My first EV was a 1956 VW bug with a Curtis controller and a bespoke DC motor. I replaced the batteries and sold it for a profit. With the proper batteries conversions are a good idea. However DC fast charging is a must. The only disadvantage of conversions. OEMs have that down. That said conversions are best with vehicles OEMs are reluctant to develop.
Hello Lawrence I remember u from the evdl form many years ago. How does it feel being an old time EV driver with the new EV driver crowd that seems to think they're the first ones to come up with this. It's funny how fast the pioneers from the past r forgotten . that seems to be life we move on things get better and those that had just crawl and inch their way up the ladder are completely forgotten.
@@steveclunn8165 You were a little better at converting vehicles than me. Since having a Leaf of one sort or another for almost a decade for what I paid ($28k for a Used 2013 and a new 2016 Leaf) I couldn't make two better functioning EVs than what I could purchase. I only converted because at the time there was no better option...however with all the new hardware out there....maybe...A van would be nice.
@@LawrenceRhodes looking back it seems like things have developed quickly but while we were living at that time waiting for better batteries better motor controllers Etc things seem to be moving quite slow. I kind of feel like the best times to be in electric cars as a hobby was the past and the best time to just buy one as you would a normal car is right now.
@@steveclunn8165 Yep.
Gee, I wonder if that'll void my warranty? 😂
I need a 300hp 250-300mile range kit for a 1973 240z that does not weigh more than the original motor/tranny/gas tank setup and is less than $40K and bolts right in. If they can do that then I will admit that they are some badass engineers. Either we figure this out, or all classic cars become new metal ingots or museum pieces by 2030.
Dealerships in SWF are doing everything for pricing no allow to buy cars for just above MSRP. GM and Ford should only preorder for customers as Volkswagon for ID 4.
Hello from Detroit.
I’ve thought for a while someone should sell wheels with integral motors to retrofit to ice cars. Remove the old drivetrain, and put in batteries (custom battery holder using previous engine space).
Hell no on paying GM or any car company for services!
They converted a cement truck to BEV In Australia. ZERO IMISIONS Whooo!..err WHOOPS.
I would not Buy anything from that disingenuous, lying, going bankrupt company.
@@taniabanes4707 then don’t. Just my opinion!!
All these old vehicles will run on modern E-fuels. Availability /cost is an issue but a lot cheaper than battery conversion.
I love my regular cab 04 Silverado and if I could have an affordable way to convert it to EV, I would do it in a HEARTBEAT!!! :)
They need to make a hybrid kit like what was designed for the Corvette. 2 electric motors are installed on the front wheels and the battery is in the truck. The motors kick in when exiting corners or hard acceleration. It could also be done for all electric driving for short ranges. Add regenerative braking .
For the GM and Ford conversion kits to work they need to be kits with all the bits 'n bobs to just bolt on. A lot of old pickups, especially suited for conversion, are moldering away in Southern US junk yards and forgotten fields because their motors and trans wore out but the rest of the chassis are sound. Make the kit, perhaps outside of the battery pack, under $5k-$10k and a lot of people will convert these older vehicles in their home garage on the weekends.
great topic. I would like to convert my crwn vic. But not at those prices
Hoping the tech improves and more shops getting into EV conversion business so labor rates are lowered, that the prices will come down also.
Perhaps even a federal incentive in future.
I'll believe it when I see it.
GM has a track record of failing to deliver...
I’m waiting for a hover conversion kit.
Subscription is "you'll own nothing and be happy" conditioning program
I would convert if I could afford to, I own a cascada.
Can't wait to convert either my 56 Chevy car or 57 Chevy 1/2 ton to electric. Yes, exciting times to be alive! Exciting indeed!!
Bill
Regina, Saskatchewan
Canada
Its a brilliant idea Viking and may enable the owners of perfecly good ICE cars to keep them at relatively low cost to buying a new EV, What's needed is a limited range of adaptor plates being mass produced along with the motor/gearbox spline coupling matching the adaptor. The company that does that will have a massive success on its hands as they can produce low-cost composite battery boxes to go with the relevant car & adaptors to house 4780 Tesla cells, soon to be available.
replace the transmission with an electric motor and replace the engine and accessories with LFP batteries, controller, and accessories. use the muffler and transmission inset and gas tank inset for batteries. use the gear shift to enable the parking brake, forward and reverse. neutral is still useful as well.
The car manufacturers should develop a direct bolt in electric motor. Bolt it directly to the existing drive train in any automobile. Batteries and wiring harness with a variable speed throttle trigger.
I’ve never heard of this before … that’s the greatest thing I’ve ever seen.
I have wondered for years why they aren’t available for a realistic price.
A conversion would be a great way to get around the EV/hybrid tax during registration although I'm sure that loophole will eventually be closed. Countries\States that do inspections will probably be first to close it.
Imagine getting root canal 100 years ago
This is a Very limited market at $120k. There are numerous new EVs much less than $100k. New warranty, safety features, tech, entertainment etc.
The French company Transition One offers an EV conversion kit for about 7000-8000 euros (not counting subsidies). The battery (which replaces the gas tank) only has a 60 mile range, but another French company, EP Tender, is developing a portable trailer-tow battery that EV drivers can rent for occasional long trips. Seem like the best of both worlds: Low EV cost, low battery weight, and extended battery range if and when you need it.
The only way I could become interested in any electric vehicle is if it was powered by a cold fusion reactor. They are possible. The only reason we can't have them is because you can't put a meter on it. Just think the same power source you use for your car could power your house.
I love the idea... wish I had a vehicle that would be worth doing this too. but a 1990 Ford F150 nor a 2008 Saturn Vue, are worth it. I will sell them off when I either get the Cyber truck or the Aptera. Waiting for either or both to come out.
I'd like to convert a Geo Metro to electric. A 1990 to 1994 Metro weighs 100 pounds less than a 1968 VW beetle. There are kits to convert the VW bug to electric.
A few companies are making and selling electric drive axle .
Seems more financially feasible than trying to sell evs at 40k
People have been buying 5-year-old Nissan Leafs ($10,000), taking the battery & powertrain out, and putting them in frame-based pickup trucks of all kinds, Miata or other sports cars, etc. For more money, you could just buy a used Chevy Bolt, take the battery & powertrain out, and put them in mini-vans, sports cars, frame-based pickup trucks, SUVS.... etc.