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CATL has shown itself to be a company whose continual improvement sustains it as a leader in battery technology. I am continually impressed by the technological progress this company has achieved. So this is good news for the entire world as making safer, more reliable autos benefits everyone.
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By far the most common vehicle crash is one that happens at about 40 mph. That is not because people travel at below the national limit, but because they react to dangerous conditions, and brake before they hit anything. Even head on collisions are rarely at NSL against NSL, they're much more usually at about 50 mph in both directions, which equates to 100mph combined. a 70mph head on crash into a pole is going a very long way to making head on crashes survivable. This is impressive stuff. Making the batteries a structural part of the monocoque is the obvious way forward, and CATL appears to have been thinking along these lines in creating this chassis. I can see that it's getting increasingly difficult to improve these structures. Of course, instead of making the honeycomb out of aluminium, you could make it out of carbon fibre, but that is likely only to be in the realms of supercar designers. Having said that, the costs of carbon fibre really aren't too great these days, the real cost is in the machinery for making it (think BIG pressure ovens). Considering how much car companies can spend on trick gear if it can be used to seriously undermine the opposition, I suspect that this will be the next step. If you think that such progress is improbable, it's because EVs have completely broken the automaker paradigm. EVs make these kinds of processes possible because the mould for creating cars no longer follows the traditional route.For over a century, automakers made incremental gains with each generation. Engines became more complex and more powerful, but they all depended on improvemnets in engineering, not the basic concept of burning fuel to push pistons. EVs have taken engines (and gearboxes) completely out of the equation, which means that battery chemistry and anode/cathode composition are now the arbiters of charge density. And charge density is now the limiting factor because electric motor design is very well understood, simople and efficient. a 1000bhp ICE is HUGE, complex and unreliable as well as demanding of high maintenance. OTOH, a 1000bhp motor is not much bigger than a 200bhp motor and is going to be as reliable as the turntable motor in your microwave.
Two exact cars moving at 50mph colliding head on where point of impact remains the same results in each experiencing an immovable object collision at 50 at the same time. Total energy dissipated is 2x one car. Each managing 1/2 the total on its own. If the two cars do not weigh the same and/or crumple the same then the time & distance occupants move until stationary relative to the point of impact determines the looser. Assuming the cabin area is sturdy and doesn’t collapse in on the occupants.
I am impressed that CATL thought ahead to design the sled for safety and crash worthiness. It's a great story for their batteries. And their chassis that others can build on without having to worry as much about the crash worthiness.
As a firefighter I can tell you the passenger cell in any modern car is incredibly safe and a marvel of engineering...the fact the vehicle is battery vs ICE is largely irrelevant in crashworthiness...extracting patient from an EV however poses some significant dangers to first responders despite the passenger cell being intact.
When I was living in Boronia (Melbourne suburb near Mt Dandenong) in the early 1970s, A guy I knew in his early 20s was killed when his Ford Falcon 351GT hit a power pole at an estimated 90+MPH. There wasn't much of the car left.
Hello Viking, at 4:00 min: the 0.01 s HV disconnect and 0.2 s discharge of residual charges in the HV circuit is not in first place related to thermal runaway protection. This protection mechanism is primarily to prevent external shorts and thus prevent possible electrical harm to passengers and rescue workers from the damaged car. A HV disconnect will not prevent an thermal runaway or inhibit fire if the battery pack is heavily damaged and internal short circuits occure. A "battery impact" will certainly not lead to an thermal runaway event, it can with an probability.
Awesome! Remember how the VW bug could be turned into anything you wanted to create? How about multiple shells for what you need? Body rentals? Sports car commuter during the week? Flatbed for moving furniture? Camper for the weekend? 8 seater? Dune buggy? Surely someone will start building batmobiles. Cheap custom electric cars anyone?
I see it as a good thing.. companies like this selling the chassis like in the custom world, where designers and small companies can create unique brands
The main gain for this is the lower cost of implementation for both large and small automakers, in effect CATL has swallowed the R&D cost for the platform and are factoring this on a commodity basis in the licencing arrangements for the Bedrock chassis, almost as a loss leader and adoption driver for the sale of their batteries. The pricing means this is well within the realm of the smaller niece automakers to build EVs, offering unique products much more quickly without the high cost and risk R&D spends usually involved in developing a vehicle, allowing them to focus their efforts on adapting the platform to their brands image and niece, adding unique characteristics and producing vehicles in a much shorter time. This is virtually the opposite of vertically integrated EV companies, seeking to use horizontal distributed manufacturing at scale to drive up EV demand. It's shocking how quickly the EV market is maturing, in the past the move from verticle to horizontal growth models took decades, now it appears to take a few short years.
China can ship skateboard platforms to Europe and USA, and these companies can manufacture cars with their own body. The same platform can be used by several manufacturers and it would cut development costs, while offering greater variety in the market. Tesla is good at designing cars that are cheap to produce and have some innovative features, but the weak point is the interior and the finish. I think this could be a great way for smaller luxury brands like Jaguar and even BMW and Mercedes to enter the EV market. They could save on some tariffs as well.
To add to your point, shipping these will be cheaper since it's not the whole car battery so they can stuff more of these skateboard platforms into shipping containers
hopefully. This sort of thing could be good for small volume custom cars and maybe even revitilise kit car industry if there is a true rolling chasis that they can be designed around.
The monocoque chassis of today rules out coach building, but then manufacturers share a production line and badge the resulting vehicle (with various minor cosmetic differences). This would make more custom options possible, but less so than traditional coach building as the results have to go through regulatory testing and mass production.
Back during the transition from horse to engine, this kind of car construction was called "carriage car" some luxury cars models stull do this design style. Build the chassis, skin it uniquely to the customer comfort requests.
This is obviously a good thing! I don't believe however that the higher impact speed testing applies to passengers being fine at those impact energies. There will be so much internal damage to your body. But at least you aren't crispy.
This is also useful for company exports. This could be akin to brands using Toyota engines to make traditionally high maintenance vehicles with high tolerance/low maintenance engines. For example, Porsche could buy skateboards from CATL and drop a body on it and, boom, new fast fancy car
This CATL's platform is a great example. One of the main benefits of the EV revolution is the unification of various components and maintenance processes across different industries-from heat pumps to electric bikes.
Maybe the 1st thing I ever commented upon with you, Sam, was that the pro move would be to do this, sell the bottom in various sizes so the tops are what is designed and produced by the companies.
Given that the pole in this test is strongly cross-braced to the wall behind it, this test is way more severe than hitting a tree or telegraph pole in real life - since these objects would flex - thereby absorbing a proportion of the energy generated by the impact.
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Buying a gigacasting machine is easy (not cheap). Designing the mold, where the design depends a lot on the properties of the used material, is anything but easy. Even Tesla's first castings had very rough edges, other issues and a LOT of rejections that where scraped and re-melted. If I remember correctly, SpaceX helped with writing better simulation software to optimize the mold design. Low weight means thin wall thickness, with is hard in very large castings.
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Thanks for the evidence based critical review with great insights and compelling arguments for EVs as always. This is my go-to channel for all things EVs. It is noteworthy what one British researcher once remarked. Electricity is all about flow of electrons. Electrons are virtually weightless particles. It doesn't make great sense to lug the heaviest component (ie batteries) to lug the weightless electrons. Making the batteries lighter is the next frontier in battery technology that is going to bring about a seminal transformation in the automotive industry. I firmly believe that if any one can do it, it will be CATL first.
The Chinese with their countless local manufacturers have no problem surviving buying such fundamental parts from CATL and putting their own design on and software in it. Only US, EU and Japanese legacy auto has problems with that because they barely have any local, but only national manufacturers. The Chinese even have a lot of place for these cargo-trikes...90% (around 30 million) of them already electric. Watch these Chinese market videos here on RUclips and you will see how much they are represented. Xiaomi describes how China works pretty accurate.
It’s going back to yea olden times when you had “coach builders”. They built a body, or coach, that fit onto a pre-existing frame. So what was old is new again…
thanks for your videos, I like your style and content. You see the other side so clearly, maybe from living on the bottom side of the globe gives you the freedom these upright old school haters have here in NA......
The only issue then remaining is the human body cannot withstand sudden stopping and arteries rip etc. I do that job too and some crashes you think the occupants should have survived, but no, organs or arteries internally damaged with no external obvious signs. Maybe that is why they test the cars at stupid low speeds normally.
Could this become the lifeline for incumbent car manufacturers: build on top of this chassis giving them time to develop their own. Or keep building on to of these chassis (which will mean even more massive lay-offs than are already happening as a big chunk of the car is already built).
Whatever legacy auto do they have to come up with something that incorporates all the software and computing power that they have so far being spectacularly unable to do. The battery and motor is of course important but you then need to compete with everyone else and sell at a profit. And you are already giving your profit away to a supplier who has many different customers clamouring for their product.
Great presentation and demonstration of the value of the latest EV designs. Thanks as this is very reassuring for someone thinking about buying and EV, such as myself.
Big question would be how local regulatory agencies OK the final product for use in their roads? Would the regulators ok based on skateboard alone or would they only consider the final end product; I.e. does CATL pay the regulatory costs or does the manufacturer of the end product still, have to pay a small fortune to have the regulatory approval?
I've been saying to Tesla that they should just build a skateboard solution for over a decade .. Would have solved their panel gap problems and the now problems of not enough choice in style And not enough other types of vehicles like mini van or work van .. etc. Plus people who want to retro fit older cars with EV economy and innovative tech could have a platform to build on.. .. How fast they could crank out a simple platform like this would be incredible .. And other items could buy them cheap in bulk and put their spin on a cabin design on them much faster while retaining all the tech and features of a Tesla under license .. and every vehicle then could be equipped with fsd from every manufacturer
Would love to convert my 1960 VW to electric; having a dedicated platform would be more advantageous over refitting the existing floorpan, which isn't designed for easily accommodating batteries.
Yeah - Sounds like BS. Wait until the first death like Telsa where first responders can't get the passengers out. All hype to me until proof in the pudding. Anyway with solid state battery technology coming along, it's all planned obsolesence and the world will still need oil to build these things. Still nothing changed in the available grid power to charge these things.
Before I clicked on this video I had just watched a video of a a custom car auto-body shop using 3D steel deformation machines to create precise steel body panels. Rocket Lab using a building sized carbon fibre 3D printer. With these generic skateboard battery platforms, there will be a niche business to design and build fully customised cars.
Interesting, might work with CATL behind it; but Tesla and BYD are soooo far ahead. Every doubling in volume means price drops by 20%. Tesla and BYD are at 3M/year already about 14 doublings of where CTL is starting from and Tesla FSD will change the equation. Tesla is 5 to 8% of the cost of CATL’s Bedrock chassis now; that is a massive gap to make up. Perhaps they can do it but they will most likely run out of money first like a Rivian.
I would just add that to me EV stands for electronic vehicle. The battery motor and so on is vital but you then have to integrate self driving and all the other software based and computing infrastructure. This is where legacy auto went wrong they thought an electric car was exactly the same as an internal combustion car. They are totally different. It is also dangerous to outsource because you outsource not only your profit but your technical skills.
I wish our friendly Viking would spend a little time to research before producing videos. The key here he is not addressing is the electrolyte in LFP batteries contains no oxygen. No Oxygen = no fires. Older Lithium batteries contained oxygen, hence burning Porsches, & boats….
Tesla already did. All the cells are monitored and have shutoffs at each cell. When voltage drops, they turn off those sell to maximize efficiency. This is also done by AI in battery management.
@ In LFP batteries the electrolyte is stable and there is no out gassing of oxygen. It is not flammable. Whereas Li Ion batteries have an electrolyte that burns due to the presence of oxygen.
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IMO, the giga press will eventually be replaced with lightweight carbon fiber cars that will have much more range and less expensive, much smaller batteries.
CATL should do a side pole crash test at 100 kph . . . bcos in a side impact the energy absorption envelope is not as much compared to a frontal crash . . .
hope the same can be said about electric powered trucks as well . . . bcos trucks have a very different type of chassis frame & body arrangement . . . incase of semi trucks the batteries can be located along the long floor of the trailer instead of the truck, behind the driver's cab . . . thus being able to squeeze in additional battery packs in the trailer's long floor & that translates to more power & more range . . . a 36% reduction in battery weight translates to 53% more range (based on the amount of charge left in the EV's battery while driving) . . . besides re-generation braking & active aerodynamics adds few more miles to the range . . . the battery case itself can be used as a energy dissipation structure in the event of a severe crash without any thermal runaway . . .
I would like to see the rollover and side impact data, especially since now the lower section (battery pack Location is) is heavier, to see how well the roof infrastructure holds up. It would be embarrassing for a company to build a vehicle to withstand a head-on only to crush occupants in a rollover, which has happen, thankfully it was during a testing phase). Just to clarify I prefer electric vehicles and do agree they are much safer the ice.
Considering how much of the battery industry it controls if If CATL also gets into automobile manufacturing too it would likely be broken up by the government and sued in countries around the world..
🔌🔌A platform is not a car, according to US tariffs. Does this mean a hybrid or BEV power train platform could be delivered to a manufacturer in the US where a body is assembled? The only tariffs to date would be 10% on the platform and 25% on the batteries.🔌🔌
I think having no automaker business is a reason why CATL is battery champion. Automakers don't buy FinDreams (BYD) batteries because they see BYD as a rival and don't want to praises BYD.
It found that hybrid vehicles reported 3,475.5 fires per 100,000 sold. Gas vehicles accounted for 1,529.9 fires for every 100,000 sold. Electrics saw just 25.1 fires at the same rate.
You mentioned fires in plugins, Sam, if you can find a graphic or a stat grouping that compares fires per 1000 vehicles by powertrain, that would be an immensely helpful comparison
My concern is how I will do in crash with a pole not a batteries .At 120 km and a pole a tree there is a slim chance to be alive . By looking at crash crash stopped at batteries a lot of G forces ...
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Sounds tailor made for carbon fiber composite bodies. Technology is coming for turning CO2 into carbon nanostructures of all kinds, from nanotubes to nanowool, for around the cost of electric power.
If this popular, I could see CATL having body rentals. imagine, most of the time, you just need a hatch back, but occasionally you might have interstate family over and need a people mover, you go and just rent a body for a few weeks and keep your car. or you might need a ute for moving furniture just for a few days. rent just the body.
uh wait, i think front and rear gigacastings can not be combined with a skateboard without defeating the very reason they exist. chop off the front and rear of a skateboard to put the gigacastings and you are left with just a battery pack.
II don't know how accurate this is but, I've read that when an EV is in a crash, what looks like $5,000-10,000 in damage isn't repairable because of giga casting. The internal parts are getting bigger and bigger as you have reported. That makes the cars very solid and safe but at the same time unrepairable after a collision. The giga cast parts are a major piece of the entire structure. They can't be removed and replaced. That makes the cars less expensive to make but...The insurance company has to total it so they're paying 30, 40, 50K or more making insurance rates higher.
Any modern vehicle is an expensive nightmare to repair. Once you get past all the bonding and bolts you then have the cable runs the sensors the inner skin. Even slight cosmetic damage can run into thousands of dollars very easily. Also bear in mind any catastrophic accident and the occupants cost the insurance company far more than the vehicle.
Not True. There are Segment repairs you can make to gigacasting chassis parts. Tesla actually have quite a few replacement parts that you can weld, Glue and bolt in if the damage isn’t too intrusive. They showed it at the factory during a report. If the Gigacasting has to be replaced then it’s totally recyclable through the Gigapress once all paint and glue is removed. Much easier than old school structural recycling or refurbishment … insurance companies actually don’t have to write off most crashes, especially in Teslas because of this forward thinking …
Okay - first off, the energy in a crash is related to the square of the speed involved, so comparing 75 mph to 35 mph we get: 75^2 / 35^2 = 4.59 times as much energy. That is, without a doubt a large difference, but it is _not_ "21 times greater." Either you've made an error in reading their claim, they've made one in stating it, or they are, well, lying. Second, there is a lot more to a skateboard technology than safety numbers, as important as they are: cost, scalability, manufacturability, defect/failure rates in manufacture, longevity, weight (and thus range), etc. Also, I don't see much new here... EV skateboards have been done for years and years - in fact, Tesla _used_ to use them, but has steered away (pun intended): first towards gigacastings, and soon towards unboxed assembly. They also have moved away from additional structural members as the primary source of rigidity in the battery framework, instead looking to use the cells themselves increasingly as structural components. Without knowing more, this hardly seems like much of a breakthrough, much less something that will revolutionize the industry.
New skateboard chassis? GM built this over twenty years ago in the late 90's. The battery technology is obviously 1000 times better, but the thought was there.
GM might have built something similar in the 90’s, but this CATL product still is new. But kudos to GM if they did in fact achieve a similar feat back in the day.
I'm not sure what the difference between this and wat Tesa announced 4 plus years again and then delivered. Only difference i see if they sell this to anyone who wants to buy it and use it to come to market quickly!
Love your content and hate to nitpick, but I can't imagine how you can make the claim that all of the top 10 safest cars are all EVs. Standards and testing varies across the world. What criteria would you use to make such a list? I think you would have to include some ICE vehicles in the top 10. Here are 5 ICE vehicles that I would expect would be in the top ten: Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Honda Accord, Toyota Camry, Mazda CX-5, Subaru Outback. Thanks.
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CATL has shown itself to be a company whose continual improvement sustains it as a leader in battery technology. I am continually impressed by the technological progress this company has achieved. So this is good news for the entire world as making safer, more reliable autos benefits everyone.
It's the return of coach building. More brands, more designs!
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Awesome love it super smart evolution of CATLs business
Great job, this should be a required viewing for everyone in the USA. I see US auto industry going to shit.
...except Tesla
Exceptional stuff. Out with the old by setting new standards and benchmarks.
Catl has over 10 000 engineers and PHDs working for R&D only .... 😊
and BYD almost 3 times that! Around 27000 engineers in R&D only, mind blowing
Electric Viking, I realized that this may actually be the way forward for the likes of Nissan, Toyota and VW.
In the hot rod industry We call this a rolling chassis This is gonna revolution us Hot rod riding
Except this also contains the drive train.
By far the most common vehicle crash is one that happens at about 40 mph.
That is not because people travel at below the national limit, but because they react to dangerous conditions, and brake before they hit anything.
Even head on collisions are rarely at NSL against NSL, they're much more usually at about 50 mph in both directions, which equates to 100mph combined. a 70mph head on crash into a pole is going a very long way to making head on crashes survivable.
This is impressive stuff.
Making the batteries a structural part of the monocoque is the obvious way forward, and CATL appears to have been thinking along these lines in creating this chassis.
I can see that it's getting increasingly difficult to improve these structures. Of course, instead of making the honeycomb out of aluminium, you could make it out of carbon fibre, but that is likely only to be in the realms of supercar designers. Having said that, the costs of carbon fibre really aren't too great these days, the real cost is in the machinery for making it (think BIG pressure ovens). Considering how much car companies can spend on trick gear if it can be used to seriously undermine the opposition, I suspect that this will be the next step.
If you think that such progress is improbable, it's because EVs have completely broken the automaker paradigm. EVs make these kinds of processes possible because the mould for creating cars no longer follows the traditional route.For over a century, automakers made incremental gains with each generation. Engines became more complex and more powerful, but they all depended on improvemnets in engineering, not the basic concept of burning fuel to push pistons.
EVs have taken engines (and gearboxes) completely out of the equation, which means that battery chemistry and anode/cathode composition are now the arbiters of charge density. And charge density is now the limiting factor because electric motor design is very well understood, simople and efficient. a 1000bhp ICE is HUGE, complex and unreliable as well as demanding of high maintenance. OTOH, a 1000bhp motor is not much bigger than a 200bhp motor and is going to be as reliable as the turntable motor in your microwave.
Two exact cars moving at 50mph colliding head on where point of impact remains the same results in each experiencing an immovable object collision at 50 at the same time. Total energy dissipated is 2x one car. Each managing 1/2 the total on its own. If the two cars do not weigh the same and/or crumple the same then the time & distance occupants move until stationary relative to the point of impact determines the looser. Assuming the cabin area is sturdy and doesn’t collapse in on the occupants.
I am impressed that CATL thought ahead to design the sled for safety and crash worthiness. It's a great story for their batteries. And their chassis that others can build on without having to worry as much about the crash worthiness.
As a firefighter I can tell you the passenger cell in any modern car is incredibly safe and a marvel of engineering...the fact the vehicle is battery vs ICE is largely irrelevant in crashworthiness...extracting patient from an EV however poses some significant dangers to first responders despite the passenger cell being intact.
Great video, Sam.
I wish the news networks in the U.S. would cover this.
When I was living in Boronia (Melbourne suburb near Mt Dandenong) in the early 1970s, A guy I knew in his early 20s was killed when his Ford Falcon 351GT hit a power pole at an estimated 90+MPH. There wasn't much of the car left.
Did you expect a different outcome?
I wasn't killed. They put me back together using Tupperware plastic and old Holden Kingswood parts. Half man, half machine.
Hello Viking,
at 4:00 min: the 0.01 s HV disconnect and 0.2 s discharge of residual charges in the HV circuit is not in first place related to thermal runaway protection. This protection mechanism is primarily to prevent external shorts and thus prevent possible electrical harm to passengers and rescue workers from the damaged car.
A HV disconnect will not prevent an thermal runaway or inhibit fire if the battery pack is heavily damaged and internal short circuits occure.
A "battery impact" will certainly not lead to an thermal runaway event, it can with an probability.
Great presentation again, Sam👏 Super concise, informative & impactful as always❣️🤟
Awesome! Remember how the VW bug could be turned into anything you wanted to create? How about multiple shells for what you need? Body rentals? Sports car commuter during the week? Flatbed for moving furniture? Camper for the weekend? 8 seater? Dune buggy? Surely someone will start building batmobiles. Cheap custom electric cars anyone?
I see it as a good thing.. companies like this selling the chassis like in the custom world, where designers and small companies can create unique brands
The main gain for this is the lower cost of implementation for both large and small automakers, in effect CATL has swallowed the R&D cost for the platform and are factoring this on a commodity basis in the licencing arrangements for the Bedrock chassis, almost as a loss leader and adoption driver for the sale of their batteries.
The pricing means this is well within the realm of the smaller niece automakers to build EVs, offering unique products much more quickly without the high cost and risk R&D spends usually involved in developing a vehicle, allowing them to focus their efforts on adapting the platform to their brands image and niece, adding unique characteristics and producing vehicles in a much shorter time.
This is virtually the opposite of vertically integrated EV companies, seeking to use horizontal distributed manufacturing at scale to drive up EV demand. It's shocking how quickly the EV market is maturing, in the past the move from verticle to horizontal growth models took decades, now it appears to take a few short years.
China can ship skateboard platforms to Europe and USA, and these companies can manufacture cars with their own body. The same platform can be used by several manufacturers and it would cut development costs, while offering greater variety in the market. Tesla is good at designing cars that are cheap to produce and have some innovative features, but the weak point is the interior and the finish. I think this could be a great way for smaller luxury brands like Jaguar and even BMW and Mercedes to enter the EV market. They could save on some tariffs as well.
To add to your point, shipping these will be cheaper since it's not the whole car battery so they can stuff more of these skateboard platforms into shipping containers
This will lead to a resurgence of coach building companies?
hopefully. This sort of thing could be good for small volume custom cars and maybe even revitilise kit car industry if there is a true rolling chasis that they can be designed around.
The monocoque chassis of today rules out coach building, but then manufacturers share a production line and badge the resulting vehicle (with various minor cosmetic differences). This would make more custom options possible, but less so than traditional coach building as the results have to go through regulatory testing and mass production.
@@stevetodd7383 Why does it rule out coachbuilds?
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Back during the transition from horse to engine, this kind of car construction was called "carriage car" some luxury cars models stull do this design style. Build the chassis, skin it uniquely to the customer comfort requests.
This is obviously a good thing! I don't believe however that the higher impact speed testing applies to passengers being fine at those impact energies. There will be so much internal damage to your body. But at least you aren't crispy.
Impressive
Legacy car companies only value soon maybe their catalog of older designs and brands. I would love a 1964 mustang on this skateboard.
This is also useful for company exports. This could be akin to brands using Toyota engines to make traditionally high maintenance vehicles with high tolerance/low maintenance engines. For example, Porsche could buy skateboards from CATL and drop a body on it and, boom, new fast fancy car
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My friend just welded one of these chassis under his Corvette after he did a little cutting on the chassis. Yes he has 8 wheels.
This CATL's platform is a great example.
One of the main benefits of the EV revolution is the unification of various components and maintenance processes across different industries-from heat pumps to electric bikes.
Maybe the 1st thing I ever commented upon with you, Sam, was that the pro move would be to do this, sell the bottom in various sizes so the tops are what is designed and produced by the companies.
Given that the pole in this test is strongly cross-braced to the wall behind it, this test is way more severe than hitting a tree or telegraph pole in real life - since these objects would flex - thereby absorbing a proportion of the energy generated by the impact.
Wow great update.
Thanks!
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Buying a gigacasting machine is easy (not cheap). Designing the mold, where the design depends a lot on the properties of the used material, is anything but easy. Even Tesla's first castings had very rough edges, other issues and a LOT of rejections that where scraped and re-melted. If I remember correctly, SpaceX helped with writing better simulation software to optimize the mold design. Low weight means thin wall thickness, with is hard in very large castings.
It would be cool to be able to get one of these skateboards and build your own car
never knew that plugin hybrids were rolling tinder boxes ... thanks mate!
This is one of your most amazing stories, Possibly since Teslas Giga castings
perhaps buyers will be able to "spec" their own car exactly to size/shape/kit?
Oamenii ăștia vreau sa salveze mașina nu persoanele😂. La 70km impact frontal ești mort indiferent de cat de distrusă e mașina. Mori datorita organelor interne ce explodează de la șoc.😢
Thanks for the evidence based critical review with great insights and compelling arguments for EVs as always. This is my go-to channel for all things EVs.
It is noteworthy what one British researcher once remarked. Electricity is all about flow of electrons. Electrons are virtually weightless particles. It doesn't make great sense to lug the heaviest component (ie batteries) to lug the weightless electrons.
Making the batteries lighter is the next frontier in battery technology that is going to bring about a seminal transformation in the automotive industry. I firmly believe that if any one can do it, it will be CATL first.
Nice. Could have better ground clearance. Perhaps the possible wheel diameter is flexible.
The Chinese with their countless local manufacturers have no problem surviving buying such fundamental parts from CATL and putting their own design on and software in it.
Only US, EU and Japanese legacy auto has problems with that because they barely have any local, but only national manufacturers.
The Chinese even have a lot of place for these cargo-trikes...90% (around 30 million) of them already electric. Watch these Chinese market videos here on RUclips and you will see how much they are represented.
Xiaomi describes how China works pretty accurate.
If there was a roulette wheel slot for trees and poles, Trees and poles win every time.
It’s going back to yea olden times when you had “coach builders”. They built a body, or coach, that fit onto a pre-existing frame. So what was old is new again…
thanks for your videos, I like your style and content. You see the other side so clearly, maybe from living on the bottom side of the globe gives you the freedom these upright old school haters have here in NA......
I think we’ll get another car making renaissance.. with internsls sorted the design can be imaginative
The only issue then remaining is the human body cannot withstand sudden stopping and arteries rip etc. I do that job too and some crashes you think the occupants should have survived, but no, organs or arteries internally damaged with no external obvious signs. Maybe that is why they test the cars at stupid low speeds normally.
Could this become the lifeline for incumbent car manufacturers: build on top of this chassis giving them time to develop their own. Or keep building on to of these chassis (which will mean even more massive lay-offs than are already happening as a big chunk of the car is already built).
Great call !
Whatever legacy auto do they have to come up with something that incorporates all the software and computing power that they have so far being spectacularly unable to do. The battery and motor is of course important but you then need to compete with everyone else and sell at a profit. And you are already giving your profit away to a supplier who has many different customers clamouring for their product.
Great presentation and demonstration of the value of the latest EV designs. Thanks as this is very reassuring for someone thinking about buying and EV, such as myself.
Sharp move to create a reference design and provide support.
Big question would be how local regulatory agencies OK the final product for use in their roads?
Would the regulators ok based on skateboard alone or would they only consider the final end product; I.e. does CATL pay the regulatory costs or does the manufacturer of the end product still, have to pay a small fortune to have the regulatory approval?
Super informative! So appreciate your work. My fellow Americans JUST DON’T GET IT!
I've been saying to Tesla that they should just build a skateboard solution for over a decade ..
Would have solved their panel gap problems and the now problems of not enough choice in style
And not enough other types of vehicles like mini van or work van .. etc.
Plus people who want to retro fit older cars with EV economy and innovative tech could have a platform to build on.. ..
How fast they could crank out a simple platform like this would be incredible ..
And other items could buy them cheap in bulk and put their spin on a cabin design on them much faster while retaining all the tech and features of a Tesla under license .. and every vehicle then could be equipped with fsd from every manufacturer
Would love to convert my 1960 VW to electric; having a dedicated platform would be more advantageous over refitting the existing floorpan, which isn't designed for easily accommodating batteries.
Remember the Carmen Ghia. Not sure on spelling. V
You were close! It's spelled Karmann Ghia.
How do you discharge a giant lithium battery in 0.2 seconds? The internal resistance of the battery alone would make it impossible.
Yeah - Sounds like BS. Wait until the first death like Telsa where first responders can't get the passengers out. All hype to me until proof in the pudding. Anyway with solid state battery technology coming along, it's all planned obsolesence and the world will still need oil to build these things. Still nothing changed in the available grid power to charge these things.
Did what he said about thermal runaway protection make sny sense to anyone? I would think it was about the automatic high voltage disconnect.
Like Elon has said, prototypes are easy. Mass production is extremely hard.
Before I clicked on this video I had just watched a video of a a custom car auto-body shop using 3D steel deformation machines to create precise steel body panels. Rocket Lab using a building sized carbon fibre 3D printer. With these generic skateboard battery platforms, there will be a niche business to design and build fully customised cars.
120km/h crash test ?? 😮😮 crazy achievement ! Normally around 50-60km/h max because of energy to decipate = 1/2 m V^2 goes to the square of speed
Really ?
Awesome.
Build me an electric A9X please
Interesting, might work with CATL behind it; but Tesla and BYD are soooo far ahead. Every doubling in volume means price drops by 20%. Tesla and BYD are at 3M/year already about 14 doublings of where CTL is starting from and Tesla FSD will change the equation. Tesla is 5 to 8% of the cost of CATL’s Bedrock chassis now; that is a massive gap to make up. Perhaps they can do it but they will most likely run out of money first like a Rivian.
I would just add that to me EV stands for electronic vehicle. The battery motor and so on is vital but you then have to integrate self driving and all the other software based and computing infrastructure. This is where legacy auto went wrong they thought an electric car was exactly the same as an internal combustion car. They are totally different. It is also dangerous to outsource because you outsource not only your profit but your technical skills.
I wish our friendly Viking would spend a little time to research before producing videos. The key here he is not addressing is the electrolyte in LFP batteries contains no oxygen. No Oxygen = no fires. Older Lithium batteries contained oxygen, hence burning Porsches, & boats….
Tesla already did. All the cells are monitored and have shutoffs at each cell. When voltage drops, they turn off those sell to maximize efficiency. This is also done by AI in battery management.
You know what LiFePO4 stands for?
The O is oxygen. Yes certain electrolytes can make the battery safer, but the oxygen comes from the electrode.
@ In LFP batteries the electrolyte is stable and there is no out gassing of oxygen. It is not flammable. Whereas Li Ion batteries have an electrolyte that burns due to the presence of oxygen.
@@glenmcneill1675 Myth-busting the Inherent Stability:
While LiFePO4 boasts superior thermal stability compared to traditional lithium-ion batteries, they’re not entirely immune to fiery surprises. Under extreme circumstances, even these sturdy powerhouses can succumb to the flames. Here’s what can spark the inferno:
Overcharging:
Pushing a LiFePO4 battery beyond its designated limit can generate excessive heat, potentially triggering thermal runaway and leading to fire.
Short-circuiting:
A direct connection between the positive and negative terminals can cause an uncontrolled release of energy, creating dangerous heat and fire hazards.
Physical Damage:
Punctures, crushing, or severe impacts can damage the internal structure of the battery, increasing the risk of internal short circuits and fires.
Extreme Temperatures:
While LiFePO4 batteries offer superior thermal tolerance, prolonged exposure to scorching heat or freezing temperatures can put stress on the system and raise the risk of fire.
IMO, the giga press will eventually be replaced with lightweight carbon fiber cars that will have much more range and less expensive, much smaller batteries.
CATL should do a side pole crash test at 100 kph . . . bcos in a side impact the energy absorption envelope is not as much compared to a frontal crash . . .
hope the same can be said about electric powered trucks as well . . . bcos trucks have a very different type of chassis frame & body arrangement . . . incase of semi trucks the batteries can be located along the long floor of the trailer instead of the truck, behind the driver's cab . . . thus being able to squeeze in additional battery packs in the trailer's long floor & that translates to more power & more range . . . a 36% reduction in battery weight translates to 53% more range (based on the amount of charge left in the EV's battery while driving) . . . besides re-generation braking & active aerodynamics adds few more miles to the range . . . the battery case itself can be used as a energy dissipation structure in the event of a severe crash without any thermal runaway . . .
I would like to see the rollover and side impact data, especially since now the lower section (battery pack Location is) is heavier, to see how well the roof infrastructure holds up. It would be embarrassing for a company to build a vehicle to withstand a head-on only to crush occupants in a rollover, which has happen, thankfully it was during a testing phase). Just to clarify I prefer electric vehicles and do agree they are much safer the ice.
Is CATL also building for MG?
Considering how much of the battery industry it controls if If CATL also gets into automobile manufacturing too it would likely be broken up by the government and sued in countries around the world..
where are your stat you are quoting for hybrid fires? could you post your source.
That is common knowledge. Just use any statistics.
Or you can Google it and find dozens articles stating the number of fires per vehicle category. Hybrids be a bad shout.
Let’s put a highly combustible chemical tank next to high tension voltage wires and batteries. What could possibly go wrong?
You ask a simple and reasonable question and all you get for answers are attempts at cuteness.
It’s not gonna matter when you’re paying 200% tariffs
So overall safety anxiety is more important than range anxiety.
Is CATL around after a million miles?
Do you trust a battery maker to make a chassis parts,really they have factories doing this .More bs.Where are their giga factories located
🔌🔌A platform is not a car, according to US tariffs. Does this mean a hybrid or BEV power train platform could be delivered to a manufacturer in the US where a body is assembled? The only tariffs to date would be 10% on the platform and 25% on the batteries.🔌🔌
What is the battery made from ?
Technology or materials?
If catl isn't making their own cars yet, they will in the future.
I noticed software is the bottle neck for the car.
I think having no automaker business is a reason why CATL is battery champion.
Automakers don't buy FinDreams (BYD) batteries because they see BYD as a rival and don't want to praises BYD.
@byddf that's 👍 ✔️
Are non-plug-in hybrids as much of a fire risk as plug-in hybrids ?
It found that hybrid vehicles reported 3,475.5 fires per 100,000 sold. Gas vehicles accounted for 1,529.9 fires for every 100,000 sold. Electrics saw just 25.1 fires at the same rate.
You mentioned fires in plugins, Sam, if you can find a graphic or a stat grouping that compares fires per 1000 vehicles by powertrain, that would be an immensely helpful comparison
My concern is how I will do in crash with a pole not a batteries .At 120 km and a pole a tree there is a slim chance to be alive . By looking at crash crash stopped at batteries a lot of G forces ...
This makes BYD the next Kodak.
Kodak is a mindset. BYD suffers no such complacency.
I think you missed out Toyota Honda Mitsubishi Nissan Ford General Motors Peugeot Renault fiat VW stellantis from your list
i'm making a list of announced EV thing that will change everithing. I'm almost at the end of excel lol.
If US doesn’t get a real industrial policy to protect our industry (not just tariffs - maybe some). A combination of Government subsidies, requiring local companies involved in products - joint ventures. Allowing a lot of immigrants for labor and technology growth. Almost the exact opposite for what Trump has in mind - old ideas from an old man!
Sounds tailor made for carbon fiber composite bodies. Technology is coming for turning CO2 into carbon nanostructures of all kinds, from nanotubes to nanowool, for around the cost of electric power.
If this popular, I could see CATL having body rentals. imagine, most of the time, you just need a hatch back, but occasionally you might have interstate family over and need a people mover, you go and just rent a body for a few weeks and keep your car. or you might need a ute for moving furniture just for a few days. rent just the body.
have they gone beyond a 1000 tops though ever
uh wait, i think front and rear gigacastings can not be combined with a skateboard without defeating the very reason they exist. chop off the front and rear of a skateboard to put the gigacastings and you are left with just a battery pack.
II don't know how accurate this is but, I've read that when an EV is in a crash, what looks like $5,000-10,000 in damage isn't repairable because of giga casting. The internal parts are getting bigger and bigger as you have reported. That makes the cars very solid and safe but at the same time unrepairable after a collision. The giga cast parts are a major piece of the entire structure. They can't be removed and replaced. That makes the cars less expensive to make but...The insurance company has to total it so they're paying 30, 40, 50K or more making insurance rates higher.
Any modern vehicle is an expensive nightmare to repair. Once you get past all the bonding and bolts you then have the cable runs the sensors the inner skin. Even slight cosmetic damage can run into thousands of dollars very easily. Also bear in mind any catastrophic accident and the occupants cost the insurance company far more than the vehicle.
Not True. There are Segment repairs you can make to gigacasting chassis parts. Tesla actually have quite a few replacement parts that you can weld, Glue and bolt in if the damage isn’t too intrusive. They showed it at the factory during a report. If the Gigacasting has to be replaced then it’s totally recyclable through the Gigapress once all paint and glue is removed. Much easier than old school structural recycling or refurbishment … insurance companies actually don’t have to write off most crashes, especially in Teslas because of this forward thinking …
Could be vw salvation
Okay - first off, the energy in a crash is related to the square of the speed involved, so comparing 75 mph to 35 mph we get: 75^2 / 35^2 = 4.59 times as much energy. That is, without a doubt a large difference, but it is _not_ "21 times greater." Either you've made an error in reading their claim, they've made one in stating it, or they are, well, lying.
Second, there is a lot more to a skateboard technology than safety numbers, as important as they are: cost, scalability, manufacturability, defect/failure rates in manufacture, longevity, weight (and thus range), etc. Also, I don't see much new here... EV skateboards have been done for years and years - in fact, Tesla _used_ to use them, but has steered away (pun intended): first towards gigacastings, and soon towards unboxed assembly. They also have moved away from additional structural members as the primary source of rigidity in the battery framework, instead looking to use the cells themselves increasingly as structural components.
Without knowing more, this hardly seems like much of a breakthrough, much less something that will revolutionize the industry.
Skateboard chassis is not new thou.. Will see how does one goes.
New skateboard chassis? GM built this over twenty years ago in the late 90's. The battery technology is obviously 1000 times better, but the thought was there.
GM might have built something similar in the 90’s, but this CATL product still is new. But kudos to GM if they did in fact achieve a similar feat back in the day.
Have a crash, Chassis damaged, car written off….. no one will want to touch the battery….
I'm not sure what the difference between this and wat Tesa announced 4 plus years again and then delivered. Only difference i see if they sell this to anyone who wants to buy it and use it to come to market quickly!
It is not safer it is the sudden stopping that literally mashes up internal organs.
Love your content and hate to nitpick, but I can't imagine how you can make the claim that all of the top 10 safest cars are all EVs. Standards and testing varies across the world. What criteria would you use to make such a list? I think you would have to include some ICE vehicles in the top 10. Here are 5 ICE vehicles that I would expect would be in the top ten: Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Honda Accord, Toyota Camry, Mazda CX-5, Subaru Outback. Thanks.
OK Perhaps I should have watched the video to the end. :-) As a whole EVs are safer than ICE vehicles. Point taken.
This is a tank electric car that is not afraid of any impact.
Tesla should use this until their FSD system works propperly. Would save many lives.
FSD software hasn’t killed anyone. Unlike human drivers who kill more people than both world wars combined.