Can parents be held accountable if their child shoots someone? Here's what DMV area law state
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- Опубликовано: 18 сен 2024
- The school shooting in Georgia led to charges for the father of the 14-year-old accused gunman. But do laws in the DMV work the same way? Here what we know.
What was his father thinking?
He wasn't. That's the problem.
@supertuesday600 no he was. It was conspiracy to commit a terrorist attack. It was planned.
based father
@@PrivateForPersonalReasons Not based, just dumb.
@@PrivateForPersonalReasonsdo you even understand what you’re saying
I mean, in this particular case, ABSOLUTELY. The dude bought his kid a firearm when the kid displayed uncontrollable anger issues and homicidal ideation...
The Law Enforcement Inquiry re prior expressed “attacks/warning” WITHOUT evaluation re these expressed attacks demonstrates “parenting” disconnected from the rest of society. I supposed it might be considered Abuse - akin to not seeking medical evaluation/treatment for severe injury or illness.
Reportedly the NRA originally worked to increase knowledge and practice of safe gun ownership/use. This includes prevention of inappropriate “use” by children or others without the knowledge/ability to safely handle a firearm - which includes WHEN appropriate to use.
@@flea10x6 NRA hasn't done those kinds of things for a long time.
Nope in all cases
Yes! As a legal guardian you are responsible for their well being both physically and mentally, neglecting their mental state and handing them a gun is a form of abuse.
That's not what's going on. The dad and the son planned a terrorist attack together. The dad is getting charged with conspiracy and aiding in the act of terrorism.
Cool! Now do the parents in da hood!
@Endermange1244. He's being charged with 4 counts of involuntary manslaughter. However those charges could be upgraded.
@@herbert993and schools. Technically, the school was the guardian of not only the shooter, but the victims as well.
Yea... Absolutely... Especially when police have been called to the home in a prior incident and you still handed your kid a gun...
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Hope this applies to those involved in "Law Enforcement..."
You are an idiot. You can't be in law enforcement until the age of 21. So you are no longer a minor.
The father should have had all weapons locked up he's partially responsible for this.
Last time I checked parents are legally and financially responsible for their children who are under 18.
parents arent fully liable for everything their child does in every state. Thats literally the point of this video, theyre saying that this law is specific to Georgia so far
then why did they charge the kid as an *adult*?
If they are charging him as an adult, they are literally saying it wasn't the parents responsibility.
Our mental health treatment....is let them run wild. Since every child, is unaccountable or in temporary psychosis.....HOW does throwing PARENT/CHILD in prisons help? Society is blowing it. BTW....UNARMED society +WALKING INVASION?= You do the math. WHEN masse pop+ scarce resources?.....things are going to get....real. Seen the latest CRIME statistics? 60% migrant crime increase, THIS is with up to $4000 in monthly support. USA.....is heading for a disaster.-IMHO
Aren't parents responsible for their kids??
Not fully, as every human being, regardless of age, has free will. That applies to the most free people in this world, and the most restricted and captive people alike.
@themeowhogsmeowkitten4178 Not fully, your a fuckin idiot. There's no such thing as free will especially for kids. Go to your mother's room and slap her across the face for raising you like a pet.
@@themeowhogsmeowkitten4178nope you raise a monster you should be responsible. Kids are blank slates til horrible parents take hold of you.
@@erikjohnson1435that is not true. Everybody gets born with a unique character that shows from the very beginning and gets formed over time. No two siblings are the same, even in very similar conditions.
What if a gang kid shoots and kills someone, can moms or granny be punished?
Yes parents have already been tried and jailed
Arrested, yes. Trial will come later, if the DA feels it can prosecute.
are you people Insane...
Liberal Democrats think it is ok for 14 year olds to take puberty blockers without Parents consent...
Liberal Democrats think 14 year olds should have the right to Vote...
Liberal Democrats thinks that 14 year olds can have sex with adults...
If a 14 year old thinks their all grown up, do not listen to their parents and are consistently getting into trouble...
It is the 14 year old that should be the Only one to suffer in their own choices... Not the Parents.
Only one other time that I'm aware of. This is opening a doorway that we should not open. I believe the charges against the dad are outrageous. He may be a terrible dad who made a terrible decision, but he did not eliminate those people. He should be charged with neglect or child endangerment, but not murder for heaven's sake!!
deleting my comment or blocking my comment... you people are Insane.
If your kid gets drunk and kills someone in a car wreck with your car should you be liable? By your logic yes
When i was 14, all i did after school was play Diablo 2, PS2 and watch TV. My mind was bright and free from hate and regrets. I miss those days...
Everything you just listed literally rots your brain.
@@cinemoriahFPV what? 🤔
me too brother. those were the days
so youre just hateful and regetful now? learn not to buddy, before its too late
@@revelis_ bro thinks it's so easy lol
This is a direct involvement.
holding parent responsible is not a new concept. when I was a kid, my parents would have been held accountable for my actions until I was 18.
How can any adult be so irresponsible to give a 14 year old access to a firearm? What has happened to make this acceptable to anyone. He is more responsible than his deranged son.
Half the US gives their kids guns before the age of 14. I had my first gun at age 9
@@charleslueker2597 half?
You're not bright. I had a firearm, with ammunition, in my room from age 7. By 14, I had 4, the original rifle which had been my grandfather's then my father's, a gift from my best friend's parents, a gift from my father, and the first rifle I ever bought with my own money. The trouble is not, and has never been the gun. The trouble is society and the refusal to teach that there is such a thing as right and wrong, good and evil. Intentions are irrelevant, and results are what matter. We don't allow children to be children, and we especially villify and abuse young boys. Blaming an object for a moral failure is an example of refusing to accept responsibility for societal moral failure.
@wstavis3135 I see. It's that we are not as ethical as you. Oh great one.
Parents should be held accountable for their children's actions on many other things besides using a firearm.
Do you have children?
Yes, you are responsible for your child until they are 18.
It isnt like when I was a kid. Yes my folks bought me a firearm for hunting when I was 14. I have never shot anyone.
We confronted our bullies with fists. Only a coward does what this punk and many other have done.
Ask the Crumbly's.
Question: who would buy a minor child a semi automatic military style rifle? Isn’t that a crime whether it is used or not?
Most states have laws against purchase or possession of a handgun by those under 21. Sometimes things get funky, in some places an 18 year old adult may possess a handgun but not purchase until 21 (so gifts or inheritance are fine).
All that said, most states have no such law for possession of a long gun. A minor can’t purchase a gun legally, but they could possess one. They could be gifted one.
While there is a functional difference between a semi auto rifle and a bolt action, they’re both “long guns” in terms of law. Nothing in Georgia law would stop a minor from possessing a long gun.
You gotta remember, our legal system moves very slowly and it was only two generations ago where the majority of Americans would be classed as “rural” and where hunting for game was “a thing” for kids and teens.
Even today - one couldn’t pass a law outlawing possession of a long gun by minors without making criminals out of rural, law abiding teens just living their life and helping their families.
IMO - we need a new tier of regulation to cover this. What works for cities and ‘burbs doesn’t work for rural and vice-versa. Whatever we do legally for this, it shouldn’t be at the state level.
I'm not sure what the laws are but I do know that a juvenile might be able to be given a firearm but the gun must be secured and maintained by an adult. But as you can see common sense isn't so common anymore.
Referring to a AR-15 as a "military style rifle" tell me you don't know anything about firearms without telling me you don't know anything about firearms.
@@richardhead6184Hey firearms expert, what are guns designed to do again? I’m having trouble remembering.
Absolutely!!! 💯. Yes. You give an emotional roller coaster teenager a gun and think they’ll be responsible??!! YOU are a PARENT not a friend until that kid turns 21!!!
18 but I hear you.
@@meetmehalfway7982 nahh brudy its 21.
It's 18. You're legally an adult at 18 in the US. If you do something that doesn't involve me or my things, I am not responsible for you at that point and beyond.
@@CallMeLeonn18!
False once a parent, you're always a parent
So where are all of parents in the inner cities getting charged when the youth commits a violen act? 🤔🤔🤔
Im a conservative who believe people should be free to own guns but I 100% believe the parent is accountable if the kid hurts someone with the gun. The second you put a gun in the house you’re making the decision to take full responsibility for whatever bad thing may be done with it. Guns should be locked away in safes that only the parents know the code to. It’s especially so stupid to have given a rifle to a 14 year old. I don’t care how much you think the kid is well trained with guns they are still a child. They should absolutely be held accountable!
Parents can be sued along with their child when their child gets in a major at-fault car accident.
That's a civil matter without the possibility of criminal charges, what's being pushed now is that if that minor does like you stated the parent WOULD be criminally charged.
@@richardhead6184exactly! This is very different than prior laws holding parents responsible. This father is being charged with murder even though he did not pull the trigger!
"Military slyle rifle". That's like saying racing style vehicle.
U mean a sports car?
@@avilaomar10They are proclaiming a point.
They mainly use fully automatic guns so this is a false description
@@avilaomar10 The Formula 1 style
I mean yeah that's kinda true. But what would the gun equivalent for semi trucks and cargo transport be?
Personally I to feel it's the responsibility of the parent. That's the problem with young people in this day and time. Children are spoiled, disrespectful, and have no guidance or discipline. For several decades now ,they have completely taken over the family unit, as far as doing what they wish, with no push back or repercussions .not every young person, but the majority of them. In families where parents teach manners, responsibilities and work ethics, children are a lot different. And if a child is punished when they do wrong, they learn to behave . To buy a gun for children whom are irresponsible in the first place, is completely the parents fault too and he should be also held accountable. As should many parents out their failing to do their jobs at raising these kids to be decent adults.
Definitely yes under 18 parents are responsible for their Actions and should be held Accountable to the Fullest extent of the Law
Yes, because his father bought the weapon as a gift. You DON'T give a 14-year-old a weapon.
Yes... parents should be punished as well for not raising their child right...
Let's imagine you heard from a person that they had thoughts of doing harm to other people, and made threats to do so with a gun. Let's now imagine you, after knowing this, give that person a firearm as a gift. Would there ever be a world where that person should NOT be held accountable?
So, this is very confusing.
A father is charged because he supplied his son with a weapon..which resulted in these crimes against many- children and adults. In the meantime, here in Oklahoma, two toddlers perish after being "accidentally" left for hours in a hot car..and the talk is that it's unlikely that charges will be brought.
Make it make sense!
The guy bought his some a full blown AR-15 😳. HOW could he NOT SEE how wrong this could go. He either was an idiot or complicit in his son's murderous actions.
Absolutely, parents should be responsible.
The kid is underage the parents are responsible period
In most cases no, but in this situation he literally gave his kid the gun. However, you just know this will set a precedent if the father is convicted as well.
I agree the father used poor judgement presenting a firearm to his 14 year old son, especially with all the warning signs exhibited. But, he had the legal right to do so. Under Georgia law:
Possession by a Minor (Under 18)
It is unlawful for a minor to possess a handgun or for a person to furnish a handgun to a minor. Georgia Code 16-11-132,
The code says nothing about minor possession of a long gun.
Again, piss-poor judgement on the part of the father. That is what the Georgia justice system should punish the father for if found guilty.
@alanbettis8422. I think the real issue is that he supplied his son with an AR-15 even though the son was already under investigation by the FBI and he KNEW of his son's murderous intentions.
@@vxy357 Hence the piss-poor judgement that I mentioned. Long guns are long guns, whether bolt or semi- auto. It is not illegal to gift these to a minor in Georgia. Poor judgement, yes, but not illegal.
Smells very fishy to me !! Not one RED FLAG?..... NOT ONE ?
You are liable if your dog bites someone so I guess that makes sense.
If the dad gets charged with actual manslaughter the FBI would face lawsuits.
I would think I'm no lawyer.
Because the FBI cleared the online threat charges without charging them with anything. Meaning there was possibly no evidence of the kid making threats.
Or the FBI screwed up.
Idk but I i feel like once the media attention dies down they'll drop the dad's charges down and give him time served.
But who knows, there's a lot of details we don't know.
the fbi has a history of "screwing up," to the point that I believe they are doing it on purpose to fulfill some sort of agenda...
There's an argument that can be had about the guardian not KNOWING how mentally unstable a child could be in general. However in MANY CASES the firearm comes down to the adults ability to monitor it. At all times. And not being able to check what your child brings to school. Always check it's your responsibility as the adult. To people who say it's not the parents fault or the kids fault or the guns fault you are all wrong period. It's everything from the parent to the child to the gun.
Should start arresting parents whenever their kids get in car accidents for buying them the car.
Why do parents are thinking that is the best gifts to give?
I compete and know many young men and women in the 3-gun competition space. Their parents get them into it young and they stay, often doing quite well. 3-gun competes with a semi automatic rifle, a semi automatic shotgun, and a semi automatic pistol (for most people). It’s not uncommon for firearms to be gifted by parents to kids in this community.
It’s not uncommon for rural kids to be gifted their parent’s or grandparent’s rifles. Especially if it’s heirloom.
Don’t make the mistake of thinking that the way you were raised was the only way or even the “normal” way. There are different ways to go through life.
If the father wants to gift a rifle to a 14 year old then he should be liable. Remember this no matter what time they get it will not equal the agony the families will go through. A child is not rational enough to own a gun. Children can be very emotional and react on sudden emotions. No pity on the parents!
think twice if you want to be a parent or worst a stepdad.
Lets hold parents accountable for car accidents also.
There has only been two parents charged😮
Parents should be accountable for their children, as a negligent parent.
Crazzzzy how did that even make sense to him as a father to give his child a damn weapon like bruh that's crazzzzy
Yes, the father who bought AN ASSAULT rifle to a 14-year-old should be held accountable. What next, buying kids a nuclear device?
IF THEY CAN HOLD PARENTS ACCOUNTABLE THEY CAN HOLD THE SCHOOL ,SCHOOL BOARDS AND STATES AXXOUNTABLE FOR LACK OF SECURITY,HE WENT TO SCHOOL WIth a gun open your eyes to the real,problems here!!!!! He was dhecked and they just said he's ok not a danger,police aren't accountable who said he was ok
You are just going crazy. The reason why the dad got arrested is because he planned out the terrorist attack with his son and bought him the gun to do so. You wouldn't blame those working at the world trade center for the 9/11 attacks. Same thing, it was a terrorist attack planned by the dad.
Why not the mom too?
If the shooter is a minor aged 18 and younger, then yes, the parents certainly need to be held accountable for what their kids do.
How many kids do you have?
The parents can be sued for wrongful death too. The father will lose everything.
Charge the dad with conspiracy to commit a terrorist attack. That's what he did. He aided in doing it after his son got in trouble with the fbi for saying he was going to. It's a clear as day case. Him being the parent is irrelevant. He conspired to commit an act of terror.
That doesn't hold up in court unless the kid shows political motivation for the shooting
Just on a logical sense, yes, 100%
If parents aren't responsible for their minor children then I guess no one is.
You can't blamed someone for being a bad parent if they are not offered publicly funded guidance of the limitations of what this is defined as. Its being worded incorrectly. Its the licensed owner of the weapons responsibility.
If you are part of what happened? absolutely. If you had nothing to do with it? Absolutely not.
If he's being tried as an adult how can they blame the father? That's a contradiction.
They are trying to pull the agenda of gun control.
More than one can be guilty.....................????????????? A contradiction would be if the kid was guilty and innocent. You're welcome
They are charging the dad with conspiracy to commit a terrorist attack. It was something they planned out and he aided in the attack.
"tried as an adult" doesn't make him an adult, legally. The main purpose of "trying as an adult" (at least on paper) is to determine if or if not the person can be "rehabilitated" in the juvenile system. The argument is mass murderers, need a harsher punishment and possibily various punishments that aren't available in the juvenile system. For example, they don't want murderers and rapists taking art class next to another 13 year old who is in there for stealing candy. He may at times need solitary confinment, he may need a longer sentence based on the crime, so "tried as an adult" is just short hand for which court system hears the case and what doc oversees his prison sentence it doesn't change his age.
BOTH are to blame for this horrible attack. The kid is being charged as an adult for committing mass murder and the father is being charged for giving the AR-15 to his underage son even though the father KNEW that his son was a danger to himself and the community and failed to secure and keep the gun away from his murderous son.
What if a gang kid shoots and kills someone, can moms or granny be punished?
That's not what happened here. The dad conspired with the son to commit a terrorist attack.
If the gang is a bunch of minors and their moms and grannys bought them the weapons... yes, lock them up.
You dimwits are hilariously trying to defend this like it was defensible in any way😂😂😂
Answer yes but this is going down a slippery slope as it is only a matter of time before even parents who don’t deserve it and genuinely had no idea what their offspring was planning will be thrown in prison too. Few will listen to me however sadly and I would know as I warned people earlier when it came to the Crumbley parents and few listened to me then.
You're not wrong and what's worse the lemmings clamoring for this do not understand how far this can go. Wait until a minor drives drunk with a parents car without the parents knowledge and they charge the parents because it's their car. It will happen eventually if they keep moving down this slope.
Yes. Yes they can. As was proven in Michigan.
Yes, absolutely. Send him to prison, give him time to think that he screwed up.
ONCE Again .. charge parents all you want that facilitate contribute to their child's crimes. BUT BE CONSISTENT!!
The minor who shot up Oxford high School in Oxford Michigan was in the principal's office with a a counselor and his parents. WITH THE GUN SITTING IN THE KIDS BACKPACK!! Only the kid and his parents were prosecuted and went to jail. THE PRINCIPAL & COUNSELOR, they knew about His MENTAL CONDITION and yet they sent that get back into the classroom that morning, AND THEY WERE NOT HELD ACCOUNTABLE!!!
If your going to hold Parents acciuntable YOU MUST HOLD EVEYONE ELSE!! OR you could hold the murderers rapists and DO THE CRIME , going down these slippery slopes are difficult and dangerous. You must have solid evidence to go pursue others in our emotional thirst for justice.
I guess we need to build and double our prison space.
Hey here's just a starter.. maybe we should post the ten commandments in schools. You know,.. there's a higher moral authority, it's the foundation for American Law, that's where we get the idea of don't murderl, steal Or lie, honor your parents...
The licensed owner of a weapon has a certain amount of responsibility for how secure the weapon is kept.
Complicating the law and adding insult to injury.
when the cia grooms your kid into committing a crime behind your back and you get punished for it moment.
project artichoke
Yes ! Father responsibility for his son to give him weapon under aged. Guilty!
Well the kid was begging for help and his parents ignored him
What was the motive? Public degradation? ???
What about Kyle rittenhouse? His mama knew.
Kyle Rittenhouse is a litmus test, that’s for sure. Kyle’s actions were legally justified as self defense. That case is settled law. You don’t have to like it - but how would you go about charging his mom for what amounted to self defense?
You see how crazy that sounds? Again, you can have your own views on things. That’s fine. But your views are not law and if you want to consider the implications of indicting a third party to a crime, there best be a crime. In Kyle’s case…there wasn’t.
His momma didnt bought him the gun as a kid. This a dumb analogy.
Also he murdered in self defense, at least thats what got him jail free
Waiting for what the Civil Rights Attorneys have to say ...
both go to jail. thank you. its not a toy. christmas gift? what do you expect a curious child to do?
That was a poor choice, if they are going to take route, all parents….yup
Someone could have been robbed and had weapon in end table drawer stolen and used to kill someone and have responsibilities if weapon is identified.
Pretty different if they filed a police report on it being stolen and couldn’t be demonstrated to know the perp 🥴
DMV has absolutely nothing to do with murder!
Sometimes. This is one of those times. They all knew the kid is crazy.
Then WHY IS TRUMPS SHOOTERS FATHER NOT IN JAIL???? DOESNT SOUND RIGHT
Isn’t Crooks in his 20s?
Was the shooter paid or have any written or verbal agreement to be incahoots in the crime?
The dad gave the rifle to the kid Christmas of last year - that was nearly nine months ago.
So? does that make it right or less guilty?
That happened here in Michigan with the kid who murdered his classmates at Oxford High School
The Crumbleys were tried and convicted separately of four counts of involuntary manslaughter, and were jointly sentenced on April 9, 2024, to the maximum allowed: 15 years in prison, with the possibility of parole after 10 years.
Finally!
Yes ! Definitely, raised your child properly .
No
Not if they have done everything they can or possible with the idiots that want to help them and that cost money
Were the victims poisoning there brother?
Or ANY other crime? That said this parent seems particularly stipid
Father of the year...
Yes they can up to the age of 21. And higher age if the parents buy their kids guns. Should have bought him a book to read. A gin as a gift?
Ya but the shot taken at trump is shoved under the rug. Too many double standards
Here four people died, including two children. Please stop making it about politics. This is a HEALTH issue.
They did it happen in Michigan
Usual suspects.
It shouldn't and then if they do then put the system in jail too because it fail this kid not just the parents also it shouldn't because if the kid is just angry because he or she didn't get what they wanted and by anger the children do that just to get back at their parents.
They weren't already? That's explains a lot.
When you're country ruled by military industrial complex.
16-year-old student fatally shoots classmate, 15, in Maryland HS bathroom
SOMFATHER GETS JAILED AND SCHOOL,SECURITY GETS NOTHING!!??
Did school security bought him the gun, planned and carried out the attack with him?
They can be accused of negligence perhaps, but who knows if there was even security or the kid managed to smuggle the gun without detection
Why should they be? Unless they encourage d it?
YES! Of course
This sets a dangerous precedent. Someone is always accountable in some way. In this case, it’s the parent. But considering a 24 hour day, 8 hours of which is sleeping, and 6-8 hours is spent at school, and about 8 hours spent with the parent, how is it that the parent is held totally accountable for that teenager’s actions? The school is partially accountable, considering that education goes way beyond learning reading, writing and arithmetic. Social media, along with the child’s friends, are partially accountable as well. A teenager, when he is with his parents, is not raised in a vacuum. This is why I think the judicial system is practicing over-reach.
This should have been the status quo for these cases
News asking stupid questions
ACCOUNTABILITY STARTS AT HOME ,BUT DOES NOT END THERE,SXHOOL SCHOOL BOARD,PRINCIPAL, ALL ALLOWED A KID TO ENTER SCHOOL NO SECURITY!!!!!!
The most American problem ever. Wdym buying your kid a rifle? Like C'mon I understand a pistol for self-defense in America but a full on rifle???
Way more murders with handguns here in the states compared to a rifle. Children should not be allowed to have guns at all though
Culture of violence....buy your kid of 14 a gun for self defence???
How is a rifle more dangerous than a pistol? Because it looks scarier?
@@samuelwalker1410 you miss the point
@@samuelwalker1410 pistol is worse because we can hide pistols. Why does YT delete my comment on pistols being worse statistically then rifles
Short answer. Yup
The father was negligent charging him for a crime he didn’t commit is a slippery slope. Think about how many parents right now would be in jail for their kids shoplifting, theft armed robbery we all know who it would affect the most you really want to go down that road.