What Difference Do Coilovers Actually Make To Ride And Handling?

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  • Опубликовано: 7 июн 2024
  • This week we swap out the 330d’s standard suspension with a brand new set of Eibach Pro Street S coilovers.
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  • @wooburn_off
    @wooburn_off 5 лет назад +800

    That suspension bloke could sell ice to eskimos

    • @blower1
      @blower1 5 лет назад +28

      I think eskimo's would prefer an EV

    • @benchasinghorizons9428
      @benchasinghorizons9428 5 лет назад +10

      Dan Rockell intelligence wins

    • @grimmysvids
      @grimmysvids 5 лет назад +10

      He was so condescending. Even more than our man here trying his hardest to sell Eibach Coilovers. Don't forget, Eibach Coilovers. Eibach Coilovers. Available at the car throttle website now Eibach Coilovers. Eibach Coliovers.

    • @blower1
      @blower1 5 лет назад +8

      Your Eibach Coilovers will be delivered by a van, a van that run's on Shell V-Powah!!! :D

    • @SuprSi
      @SuprSi 5 лет назад +60

      Uh, I thought he was explaining about those coilovers very well, and it's not exactly brand specific stuff he's on about. That part with him explaining is in the video for our benefit because it's very important info to know if you're looking to upgrade. Not being condecending or salesman ish.

  • @Retexz
    @Retexz 5 лет назад +1448

    Please change the power steering fluid to a fresh one, it’s a night and day difference!! No delay anymore and easier to place the car. I’ve done that to my own e46 coupe. Thumbs up so he can see!

    • @momanskiakabiffbuz6004
      @momanskiakabiffbuz6004 5 лет назад +25

      Retexz did it to my mk4 GTI. Did nothing tbh, but I heard that in some cases it could help.
      Changing all the other fluids would be helpful, too...

    • @totisa93
      @totisa93 5 лет назад +250

      He needs to change the blinker fluid. Instant 1 second improvement I guarantee

    • @tokirak
      @tokirak 5 лет назад +86

      needs some carbon fiber blinker fluid for sick weight reduction

    • @frozenpete788
      @frozenpete788 5 лет назад +4

      You are right in the way that p/s fluid is important on these, but the delay and smoothness is just a feeling. The steering wheel is connected to the rack, so nothing can change the phase of the steering wheel to the rack except if you have a torn coupler. But yeah p/s fluid change is a must and the pump and rack will be happier (and start to leak out also, but ..)

    • @mariuszanfir2298
      @mariuszanfir2298 5 лет назад +10

      The steering ratio remains the same regardless if you have good fluid, bad fluid or no fluid at all. You probably had air pockets in your system, which made the steering effort inconsistent, hence the sensation that it now steers quicker. However, you're right about keeping the fluid nice and clean. It's a must!

  • @MuffinRacing
    @MuffinRacing 5 лет назад +433

    It's rare to see a coilover install video mention corner weighting. Proper job

    • @Z4G.
      @Z4G. 5 лет назад +5

      fyeah spec approved

    • @MrRedstoner
      @MrRedstoner 5 лет назад +6

      I was slightly worried when Alex asked what to do after install and the answer was only Realign

  • @HumbleMechanic
    @HumbleMechanic 5 лет назад +334

    So many cars with poor suspension setups. This is one place to make sure it's done right and where you don't want to cheap out. Great video as always guys

    • @chricol
      @chricol 5 лет назад +9

      Cool to see one youtuber that I follow acknowledging another. @humblemechanic your explanatory vids are awesome as well! Thumbs up to you!

    • @KaidudeHasanSarfaraz
      @KaidudeHasanSarfaraz 5 лет назад +2

      I went to this place for a tire sublimation and they drained all of my blinker fluid without my consent and then charged me for it. Never going there again.

    • @HumbleMechanic
      @HumbleMechanic 5 лет назад +2

      Kaidude1234 Hasan Sarfaraz crooks! 😂

    • @HumbleMechanic
      @HumbleMechanic 5 лет назад +2

      Chris Coleiro thank you so much for the support. 💙💙

    • @patrickwhitehead7584
      @patrickwhitehead7584 5 лет назад

      Good on you for commenting on here and supporting another German diesel enthusiast!

  • @harrisonsiegel9536
    @harrisonsiegel9536 5 лет назад +551

    Let's hope he's using Shell V-Power. (This is a sponsored comment)

    • @onemanarmyEST
      @onemanarmyEST 5 лет назад +54

      Shell V-Power is the best fuel available. (This is a sponsored reply to a comment)

    • @nickt5978
      @nickt5978 5 лет назад +49

      Even my cat uses Shell V-Power, for optimum speed and explosive power. (This is a sponsored comment.)

    • @carlosmarquez2898
      @carlosmarquez2898 5 лет назад +12

      Chevron with Techron™️ is the best!(This is another sponsored reply)

    • @acidofil
      @acidofil 5 лет назад +15

      Shell V-Power was used even in Discovery Space Shuttle, its by far the best fuel out there. (This is a sponsored reply to a comment)

    • @Jeremy-se1kp
      @Jeremy-se1kp 5 лет назад +24

      I love these meme comments, but not as much as my car LOVES running on Shell V-Power. It's personally crawled in my bed in my sleep and told me that it prefers SHELL V-POWER over any other fuel! Amazing! (This is a V-Power reply to a V-Power)

  • @MuffinRacing
    @MuffinRacing 5 лет назад +530

    That dual spring concept is pretty neat.

    • @alexkersten1964
      @alexkersten1964 5 лет назад +30

      Yeah, you actually do notice it while driving.

    • @rejoicerone3176
      @rejoicerone3176 5 лет назад +18

      Porsche uses dual springs on the GT3 i think, called helper springs

    • @daniel27560
      @daniel27560 5 лет назад +7

      Muffin Racing yea my mk4 gti has st coilovers with the same setup

    • @georgebowyer5170
      @georgebowyer5170 5 лет назад +1

      Yeah the only place iv see those before was the ariel nomad

    • @PoptartKingz
      @PoptartKingz 5 лет назад +37

      It's really just to stop the stiffer spring from free floating in full droop

  • @BrendenPragasam
    @BrendenPragasam 5 лет назад +224

    Give this car to Garreth when you are done... He deserves it

    • @s19pajua13
      @s19pajua13 5 лет назад +1

      Brenden Pragasam yes

    • @DanialA11
      @DanialA11 5 лет назад

      Definetly

    • @08680868
      @08680868 5 лет назад +1

      Nooo, give it to me my name is Garreth too

  • @crunchynutcornflakes
    @crunchynutcornflakes 5 лет назад +37

    I think it would be really interesting to see how these coilovers compare against new OEM parts

  • @katsaras1
    @katsaras1 5 лет назад +38

    I just want to see this project going to the max. Not only wheels and exhaust and coilovers. Let's some real mods and turn that into a real track weapon!

  • @averagebro413
    @averagebro413 5 лет назад +307

    Wohoo new episode! Love these episodes sooo much. Love you Alex you muscled fat boy

  • @dbnpoldermans4120
    @dbnpoldermans4120 5 лет назад +319

    Those damn keys,haha. Is it juts me? I would go mad. How can you race like that? Losing those will shed 0.10 a second off, because you will be able to concentrate better.

    • @RM-qm6op
      @RM-qm6op 5 лет назад +15

      Dbn Poldermans That's exactly what I was thinking, my car key has no other keys or key rings on it because they are annoying.

    • @Luxneonify
      @Luxneonify 5 лет назад +2

      I noticed that since the first episode... Its just so annoying :D

    • @eisina6640
      @eisina6640 5 лет назад

      0,1

    • @dbnpoldermans4120
      @dbnpoldermans4120 5 лет назад +2

      A tip for all you car guys. Use a tie-wrap to secure your house key to your car key. I have it tightened so that my car key is now twice as long.
      Advantages:
      01 no more bs sound
      02 there will be no keys drilling into your knee
      03 slide more easily into your pocket and will never be bulky
      Let me know if you ever try it
      I invented it!

    • @leebenstead7171
      @leebenstead7171 5 лет назад

      It's a girl thing

  • @OhighOSkater
    @OhighOSkater 5 лет назад +229

    "Drenched in sweat"
    Shirt is completely dry lol

    • @wowdogeful
      @wowdogeful 5 лет назад +33

      Top 10 conspiracy theories that turned out to be true

    • @dxme9190
      @dxme9190 5 лет назад +10

      the shirt was so much in sweat whwt it just looked dry

    • @augmenseke6131
      @augmenseke6131 5 лет назад +1

      Yeah but his ass was a swamp. Bruh it as epic like a steamy jungle full of dirty hippies.

    • @the_useless_photographer
      @the_useless_photographer 3 года назад

      @@augmenseke6131 a swamp haha

  •  5 лет назад +55

    I was thinking "I am gonna watch an old car throttle video as they haven't uploaded anything"
    And when I pressed the search button a notification from you guys just came out of nowhere
    I love you guys

    • @alexkersten1964
      @alexkersten1964 5 лет назад +6

      Yessss!

    •  5 лет назад +4

      Alex Kersten can't believe you've just responded... My life is complete

    • @dankrets2961
      @dankrets2961 5 лет назад +1

      You are wrecking the car samir

    • @DaveAngelic
      @DaveAngelic 5 лет назад

      I had the same feeling when Alex answered me 2 times on Instagram when I asked him for advice. He answered 9 days later but damn HE ANSWERED and that made me feel important once :D

    •  5 лет назад

      Dan Krets hrm
      .. What car?

  • @fossilfueled27
    @fossilfueled27 5 лет назад +17

    Great video, but the most interesting part was the conversation with the Eibach manager - really interesting stuff! I'm glad it seems like you're doing everything bit by bit in this series too, so we can see how each variable affects the lap time.

  • @givemeajackson
    @givemeajackson 5 лет назад +76

    just as a quick aside, i really appreciate how much of an effort you make to pronounce foreign names properly. your "Eibach" was pretty much spot on

    • @alexkersten1964
      @alexkersten1964 5 лет назад +51

      Being half German, you'd hope so ;)

    • @KP3droflxp
      @KP3droflxp 5 лет назад +4

      Although I know that you can speak German, it always catches me off guard when you pronounce something like Eibach perfectly

    • @acchaladka
      @acchaladka 5 лет назад +8

      I think that only applies to German things. He never says the proper “Matsuda” for Mazda, or “GFFFFHGHFTRAAAAARGGHH!!!!” for the US brand “GM”.

    • @rogerj412
      @rogerj412 5 лет назад +4

      In Alex's defense most people don't use the pronunciation Matsuda when referring to Mazda.

  • @DavidLumm
    @DavidLumm 5 лет назад +1

    Absolutely fascinating listening to the suspension expert. It's great that he's so passionate about what he does. All of that is new information to me and I really appreciated his experience.

  • @freakyRunner
    @freakyRunner 5 лет назад +70

    Please if you install a LSD try to get a Clutch Type LSD ( Like a Drexler or a Kaaz )
    Its the best you can do.
    And If you get a Torsen LSD take a Wavetrac it works even with a tire in the Air.
    A Quaife cant do this.
    Greetings from Germany 🇩🇪 my friends!

    • @KXP70
      @KXP70 5 лет назад

      Why is the clutch type dynamically preferred over a torsen style diff?

    • @absolutepressur
      @absolutepressur 5 лет назад

      And torsen diffs bias torque to the slower wheel, which means you get a yaw moment opposite of what you want on both corner entry and exit. Clutch diff is the way to go. No biasing.

    • @dpro1995
      @dpro1995 5 лет назад

      A clutch type forces the outer wheel to cope with more torque as the inside wheel loses grip. So what is your point?

    • @raveutcars
      @raveutcars 5 лет назад

      torsen will still spin one wheel especially if kerb hopping or too eager with the throttle on corner exit. can be mitigated with suspension setup but if you are running a stiff rear end with large anti roll bars then becomes more apparent. Even on FWD cars that typically run very stiff rear ends meaning proportionally less % weight transfer on the front axel the inside wheel still spins. My quiafe powered car is fine for the road and still spins the inside wheel on roundabouts if you are a yobbo but its plate diff every time on the track.

    • @draht8179
      @draht8179 5 лет назад

      Ein deutscher xD

  • @stephen3164
    @stephen3164 5 лет назад +5

    I think there's more you can do with suspension. Upgrade the sways and end links. Put the rear on a softer setting to reduce oversteer.
    You might also consider adding some negative camber to the fronts, as the tire really is leaning past its contact point under hard cornering.
    Your tow in/out settings will assist in either initial turn in or stability - depending on how you set it up.
    When it comes down to it, no matter what mod you do to your suspension or engine, the only part of the car actually touching the road is your tires - which is why many people start there.

  • @tmmason10
    @tmmason10 5 лет назад +1

    Love the comparison step by step with video too! Keep up the great work on this series!

  • @cram6891
    @cram6891 5 лет назад +1

    Been wait g all week for this video! Awesome!

  • @sandman1201
    @sandman1201 5 лет назад +50

    what Greg said was actually very insightful! it gave me a great perspective on the whole "drop it as low as possible" kind of idea :-)

    • @cctrollz5706
      @cctrollz5706 5 лет назад +2

      As low as possible isn't necessarily the best case. I'd think you'd want as low as possible while still having enough suspension travel for whatever surface and speeds you're using. Like he said you don't wanna run into the bump stops.

    • @jaspereerdekens3102
      @jaspereerdekens3102 5 лет назад

      Do you then know why it is that with too stiff of a spring you have inconsistent grip? (1:40)

    • @louischim2000
      @louischim2000 5 лет назад +4

      Jasper Eerdekens 1:40 he's referring when a tire meets a bump or road imperfections.
      If your springs are too stiff, it can't compress. Which means the springs will not react to the road imperfections. Thus the tires will lose contact with the ground.

    • @ikebuttle360
      @ikebuttle360 5 лет назад

      sandman1201 may car handed a lot better and the ride was better when my coilovers where higher up, but I’d rather have it stupid low aha

  • @DFWsCars
    @DFWsCars 5 лет назад +6

    Loved how I actually learned something about suspension. Well done.

    • @DFWsCars
      @DFWsCars 5 лет назад

      also was surprised how the suspension alone really only reduced the time so slightly, which I guess goes to perhaps a more compliant suspension..

  • @RatelHBadger
    @RatelHBadger 5 лет назад

    This video was fantastic, having the straight forward explanation by the manufacturer without a "salesman" pitch about why his product is best. Fully explains the characteristics of springs and what they do, soft, stiff, lowered ride height etc. No hype, just what they are going to do and what to expect from the mod.

  • @chukzc2379
    @chukzc2379 5 лет назад

    Great video Car Throttle. Greg's explanation into Eibach's technology and the importance of taking into account the suspension setup is invaluable. Moarrrr plssss!

  • @islandclub7989
    @islandclub7989 5 лет назад +4

    Thanks for shutting up & leting the smart spring man do his thing..also only 1 advert ...lernt lots .nice ..stay humble my man .hope you have mutch success

  • @davemike1010
    @davemike1010 5 лет назад +10

    Alex, car throttle is what i live for atm,🤗🤗😘

  • @rockervdrive
    @rockervdrive 5 лет назад

    Wow, loads of valuable information about suspension and setup. My friends and I learned the hard way when we were teens by trying different spring and shock combinations and figuring out what worked and what did what. Lots of money spent. Take notes younger generations! Alignment is a whole different game.

  • @13owa3
    @13owa3 5 лет назад

    Great new series. I have been waiting for this.

  • @GBR4ME
    @GBR4ME 4 года назад +3

    First time I've heard a man who really knows what he's talking about here on YT. My sincere congratulations to Greg Kirby. Very nicely explained.

  • @Mr_preemo
    @Mr_preemo 5 лет назад +45

    Seriously, I said this before and I’ll say it again, Alex should get hired for Top gear and use episodes like this to maintain their viewership. Great job as always

    • @CrazyDutchguys
      @CrazyDutchguys 5 лет назад +12

      Nah, carthrottle should be the next Top Gear

    • @ajmeipalu1051
      @ajmeipalu1051 5 лет назад +2

      Maybe a Grand Tour celebrity face off ''Fastest Alex that has a RUclips chnnel''

    • @97I30T
      @97I30T 5 лет назад

      Aj Meipalu I like that idea.

  • @napster7033
    @napster7033 5 лет назад

    Really enjoying this new series!

  • @formula591
    @formula591 5 лет назад +1

    Love these episodes! Love the e46 and love the concept of adding parts and checking the improvements!

  • @RaymondLo84
    @RaymondLo84 5 лет назад +8

    Never seen Alex that quiet :> Either he was listening very carefully or he was not sure what to say? But super glad he is not some of those interviewers who just love to interrupt other’s flow!

  • @samphillips3405
    @samphillips3405 5 лет назад +8

    Nice, 2 grand suspension equals 2 tenths of a second
    I was expecting much less roll but the clips at the end looked almost identical

    • @Fredemanner
      @Fredemanner 2 года назад

      That would imply that the factory ones would be totalt garbage

  • @Crackdown77
    @Crackdown77 5 лет назад +1

    This track project is so interesting I can't wait to see the next episodes, the 330d has always attracted me so much! Don't forget to remap the ecu, I want to see what that engine is capable of. Good job!

  • @hectorleon6437
    @hectorleon6437 5 лет назад +1

    Great video and series...as an owner of a 330cd e46 it fits perfectly to me. Hunting the M with the petrol!!!

  • @desmondmoonbear4143
    @desmondmoonbear4143 5 лет назад +228

    Diesel bimmer be fast

    • @steve00alt70
      @steve00alt70 5 лет назад +7

      diesel are funner to drive :D faster too pins you on the back of your seat with that pulling power

    • @TheRealBigM
      @TheRealBigM 5 лет назад +1

      They actually just push you into the seat early.

    • @krapalis
      @krapalis 5 лет назад

      Evry mod needed on that bish

  • @streeatbeat
    @streeatbeat 5 лет назад +24

    that engineer was SOOO nice to listen to. i swear he's like the British engineer version of bob ross

  • @matemarijan3795
    @matemarijan3795 5 лет назад

    Love this series. Can't wait for the next episode

  • @yavorm.7503
    @yavorm.7503 5 лет назад

    It's been a while since i spent more than 10 mins on a video. The series are quite interesting. Keep ' em coming !

  • @Zadster
    @Zadster 5 лет назад +9

    I think there is a bit of wishful thinking here, like when your car feels faster after you just waxed it, because 0.26 seconds isn't great value for >£1500 of suspension + garage time. Body roll angle isn't massively different on the video, just that the ground clearance is lower, so there is less daylight visible. I guess you did fit a set of polyurethane bushes at the same time? If the dampers and springs were factory original, then they would have been very suboptimal at 146k miles anyway. My feeling is that coilovers have done slightly less than nothing, compared to new standard springs and dampers. The lowering is always going to be handy on track though.
    Have the anti-roll bars been changed? Because the way it is driving, it seems like the new rear springs are too hard, and the ARB isn't stiff enough, reducing compliance and making it lose adhesion. That's not great, especially with an open diff. The loose back end is causing oversteer which is making the turn-in feel sharper than it really is.
    Bring on the cabin strip, limited slip diff, sticky tyres and custom map!

    • @alexkersten1964
      @alexkersten1964 5 лет назад +1

      with sticky tyres, trust me when I say the Eibachs are worth every penny

    • @CardizoneSemblance
      @CardizoneSemblance 5 лет назад

      Also keep in mind we don't know the state of the original tires and its tread life. Add to the fact it had already been thrashed on the track a few times already I was personally was not expecting a massive improvement.The track is also very short. I'm sure over a longer track the gains will be more significant. If we compare with the IS 200 track project car:
      1. Lightweight wheels and semi-slicks gained 0.85 over stock wheels and tires
      2. Performance exhaust, coilovers & weight reduction gained 2.16 seconds over stock components
      3. Performance brakes and buckets gained 0.84 over stock.

  • @shona5512
    @shona5512 5 лет назад +25

    When you are going to do wheels and tyres are you going to show the difference that wheels and tires make independently or all at once? I feel like it would give a much better understanding to do them separately.
    Eg. Put a tyre like Michelin Pilot Sports, Toyo R888, Bridgestone Potenza ect. on the standard wheels to see how much difference good rubber makes. And then after that put the new wheels on with the same brand tyre to show how much difference less rotational mass and less unsprung weight can make a difference.

    • @billowytrots8366
      @billowytrots8366 5 лет назад +1

      There's plenty of info regarding unsprung mass on the internet if you are interested. Alex's new wheels will have altered track width, tyre width and tyre profile, making it hard to tell exactly what effect the reduced unsprung weight would have. Though when we do see the results, I'd bet that a large majority of the improvement will be from the fresh tyres alone, if that's what you're wondering.

    • @shona5512
      @shona5512 5 лет назад

      Cole Trickle I used the tyres purely as an example of a decent tyre, doesn't matter what brand it is as long as it's a good performance tyre. The whole point of them doing this bit by bit is to show how simple modifications can make improvements to your cars. He'll probably go faster with wheels and tyres on, but it doesn't show a definitive answer as to what actually improved performance. Was it the lighter wheel with less unsprung weight, was it the grippier tyre, was it the wider wheel improving weight transfer, was it the wider tyre allowing for more grip on the driven wheels. There are lots of variables and splitting it in two would have been a better help. But that's not likely to happen since all these episodes are already made.

  • @kirilas1456
    @kirilas1456 5 лет назад +1

    Can't wait for the video about engine improvment 🙂🔥
    Awesome project ❤

  • @shaam32
    @shaam32 Год назад +1

    Excellent techinical explanation. Thank you.

  • @SDV-RX
    @SDV-RX 5 лет назад +7

    i assume it uses shell V-power

  • @yahyasajid5113
    @yahyasajid5113 5 лет назад +27

    Anyone remember the top gear episode where they converted a 330D into a touring car and did a 24h race with the stig and the trio
    ruclips.net/video/KNRPzMiFrOg/видео.html
    Edit: I have I idea, why not try to beat top gear's time at Silverstone

    • @KasamS
      @KasamS 5 лет назад +1

      I remember, hamster fell asleep at the wheel and went off the track or hit some1

    • @ACplanet
      @ACplanet 5 лет назад +1

      Larsen biscuits

    • @TheJomeister
      @TheJomeister 5 лет назад

      which season and which episode number is this?

    • @KasamS
      @KasamS 5 лет назад

      TheJomeister searh top gear e46 24hr and it should come up

    • @JamesAllen300
      @JamesAllen300 5 лет назад

      he hit a Mosler MT900

  • @technik333
    @technik333 5 лет назад

    very informative, looking forward to the next episode!

  • @j.a.citadel3258
    @j.a.citadel3258 5 лет назад

    Alex you are my new hero. Every time I watch a video of yours it reminds me of top gear in its prime. Thankfully I won't lose you like I did the trio. Keep up the great work.

  • @danieljordannicol9937
    @danieljordannicol9937 5 лет назад +6

    That guy is really passionate about his job. Really good to see and it reflects in eibachs coilovers!

  • @temirbulatrashidov6244
    @temirbulatrashidov6244 5 лет назад +4

    CarThroЖeShop

  • @jessdisco3668
    @jessdisco3668 5 лет назад

    I was waiting for this ! Gotta have my weekly Gareth!

  • @Kedubs
    @Kedubs 5 лет назад

    I've been waiting all week for this :D

  • @averagebro413
    @averagebro413 5 лет назад +123

    BTW Alex where is your m3 lemon? We loved that car. You sold it?

    • @bassdakro969
      @bassdakro969 5 лет назад +81

      Yeah he got rid of it because the E36 was causing bankruptcy.

    • @averagebro413
      @averagebro413 5 лет назад +31

      Slid Wheel typical BMW 😀

    • @izaimariusz1
      @izaimariusz1 5 лет назад +7

      Slid Wheel really?

    • @bassdakro969
      @bassdakro969 5 лет назад +3

      Average Bro I know that's the problem with every German sport cars.

    • @bassdakro969
      @bassdakro969 5 лет назад +6

      Thekrygaming _ yeah he even did a video about it, it's kinda sad really.

  • @paulglombitza658
    @paulglombitza658 5 лет назад +61

    Alex:I don't want to go over 4 thousand RPM
    Every Honda owner ever: W-WTF?

    • @jirig525
      @jirig525 5 лет назад +11

      Diesel says hello

    • @Josh-cw8by
      @Josh-cw8by 5 лет назад +16

      More torque @ 1k RPM than a honda at 8k

    • @anthonybelton-ford3124
      @anthonybelton-ford3124 5 лет назад +2

      Josh torque is meaningless without BHP.

    • @DaveAngelic
      @DaveAngelic 5 лет назад

      Anthony Belton-Ford this BMW have more

    • @Josh-cw8by
      @Josh-cw8by 5 лет назад +5

      It's all what you like to drive, Anthony. I prefer my vehicles to have a lot of low end torque for the city. I wouldn't purchase a car with less than 200ft pounds of torque.

  • @christoffergrinsted
    @christoffergrinsted 5 лет назад +1

    Super brilliant explanation of springs etc

  • @geeyov
    @geeyov 5 лет назад

    been waiting for this!

  • @MetalTiger88
    @MetalTiger88 5 лет назад +3

    somehow i just feel the urge to buy some eibach coilovers now...>_>

  • @15DEAN1995
    @15DEAN1995 5 лет назад +12

    Kinda surprised the suspension was the first upgrade you made. The tyres wouldve been an easier upgrade and i think wouldve better shown the difference of the suspenion upgrade.

    • @LeFatalpotato
      @LeFatalpotato 4 года назад

      Well, you can always go suspension>wheels>tires but when you buy a set of tires for these specific wheels it's done. He could have gone for a wheel+tire combo before the coilovers, but then the 4'' drop could be problematic if he's he got too big of wheels, in terms of fitting and geometry.

    • @kyleb5518
      @kyleb5518 4 года назад

      LeFatalpotato no real reason to do wheels, you loose a few lbs on a light set but you then loose momentum which is important coming out of corners, and even a quality wheel like a wolf race is made out of cheese compared to a wheel as quality as a bimmer oem wheel

  • @martin72345
    @martin72345 5 лет назад +1

    Finally a video that feels like the car throttle that I started off liking. back to making addictive videos :)

  • @Mark-th1gn
    @Mark-th1gn 5 лет назад

    These kind of videos is why I would want to come to youtube. Very well done and keep it up boyes!!!!1!

  • @xSleeper.
    @xSleeper. 5 лет назад +45

    i think ECU tune would make a big diffrents

    • @peterzingler6221
      @peterzingler6221 5 лет назад +3

      Like_a_Sleeper dangerous and a no no without improvet cooling in on track use

    • @SimpleTimeSamF
      @SimpleTimeSamF 5 лет назад +1

      it depends, a conservative tune won’t hurt. additionally they can easily get some better cooling in the car

    • @chrisg4rr377
      @chrisg4rr377 5 лет назад +1

      Like_a_Sleeper if the tyres are already loosing grip then a tune isn't the way to go

    • @xSleeper.
      @xSleeper. 5 лет назад +4

      well he deffinitly change the tyres but with a ECU tune he would get the Diesel torque to accelarete quick after corners :)
      Black Smoke incom.

    • @SimpleTimeSamF
      @SimpleTimeSamF 5 лет назад +1

      Yeah, grip is one thing but Alex already got new tires(off vid), so, if they’re not planning any power mods and only things such as suspension, tires, weight reduction - a tune is the easiest way to get some extra power into the car. I know the older BMW engines are easy to tune without putting too much load, its not hard to achieve about +30kw and some extra torque.

  • @underscore8085
    @underscore8085 5 лет назад +5

    Upgrade the anti-roll bars to reduce body role even more? ^^

    • @r129r16pfl
      @r129r16pfl 5 лет назад

      Get the stiffest bar you can find on the front

  • @jayr9240
    @jayr9240 5 лет назад

    Purchased a set of BC coilovers for my E46 last night. Nice seeing a new vid cover the change a day later.

  • @BravoCharlie
    @BravoCharlie 3 года назад

    Fantastic intro on dampers and springs. Thanks.

  • @ashman0071
    @ashman0071 5 лет назад +3

    this Eibach rep has the knowledge and explains it very well...but you're going to have to go to stiffer anti-sway bars and grippier compound tires to see a significant improvement....and those stiffer sway bars will result in much more 'head toss' .......you think a company with a Billion Dollar R&D budget can't tune your car's suspension for the best trade off between ride and handling ........ ? Also, aren't they almost $2,000 when you consider tax, and installation adds even more - that's insane......

    • @rightthen.3243
      @rightthen.3243 5 лет назад

      Agree, the car looks harder to drive to me

  • @OscarLeeMX
    @OscarLeeMX 5 лет назад +23

    Isn't an oversteering rear a sign that the springs are too stiff? I don't think the suspension changes actually made much of a difference, since they weren't that significant. Maybe go for BTCC style camber, stiffness and ride height and there may be greater improvements. And my goodness, those new rims are vomit-inducing.

    • @mariuszanfir2298
      @mariuszanfir2298 5 лет назад +1

      That or not enough camber. Fortunately, e46s have camber adjustment on the rear, so that can be dialed in rather easily. Unfortunately, the camber is not adjustable on the front as well, unless you put in some camber plates or, the cheap/ghetto way, add some shims to the lower mounting point of the damper. I'm mentioning the front camber, as e36/e46 love a lot of camber. Ideally, for track use, you need to run something like -3 degrees which, this coilover setup surely doesn't provide.

    • @r129r16pfl
      @r129r16pfl 5 лет назад

      Agree you need -3 or more on the front, -0.6 is horrible

    • @mariuszanfir2298
      @mariuszanfir2298 5 лет назад

      To be honest, I don't know why it changed so little. Maybe the right height is not that different from stock? On my e36, when I installed the classical combo Bilstein + Eibach Pro Kit, I had something like -1.2 on the front. I did have the excentric M3 control arm bush, but I'm not sure that changes the camber in any way or if it actually improves something. I had huge caster afterwards, so I assumed it helped with that. The shop sent the wrong part and I went with it hoping that it will help :P

    • @r129r16pfl
      @r129r16pfl 5 лет назад +1

      Also note that e46 330d toring is heavy as f*ck

    • @Vykk_Draygo
      @Vykk_Draygo 5 лет назад +1

      Or it could be that he just need better tires to take advantage of the new setup.

  • @adrien9608
    @adrien9608 5 лет назад

    I love the fifteen52 wheels in general ! I can't wait to see them on ! Appear quickly in the intro

  • @towers3372
    @towers3372 5 лет назад

    Love the detailed explanation!

  • @411nightnheaven
    @411nightnheaven 5 лет назад +14

    Next build maybe a yaris? 😬

  • @ThaDutchDK1989
    @ThaDutchDK1989 5 лет назад +20

    6:10 wait he is a suspension specialist and says to use spacers to get wider track, only did he forgot that if u use spacers you make eventualy the wishbone longer and so a longer arm. if you make a longer arm it can more easliy compress and so make the suspension softer and the car can roll more.
    its just better to use wider wheels with maybe a different offset. spacers are just the the most stupid thing to add to your trackcar.
    and dont forget to reinforce the subframe cause its still a e46.. bmw people understand me.

    • @xpeacemaster
      @xpeacemaster 5 лет назад

      well yea lol, it fucks up the SAI

    • @yogummler
      @yogummler 5 лет назад +4

      Also if you widen the track too much, you adjust the scrub radius, which most "tuners" haven't even heard of, to such an extent, that the car becomes undriveable. It won't want to go in a straight line and it's probably going to fly off the road and kill you under heavy braking.

    • @TheSilviu8x
      @TheSilviu8x 5 лет назад

      yogummler, could you please elaborate on this one?

    • @yogummler
      @yogummler 5 лет назад

      thesilviu silviu "An advantage of a negative scrub radius is that the geometry naturally compensates for split µ (mu) braking, or failure in one of the brake circuits. It also provides center point steering in the event of a tire deflation, which provides greater stability and steering control in this emergency."
      If you widen that track too much the scrub radius can become positive and then the car can become extremely dangerous under emergency braking

    • @lordgibbness
      @lordgibbness 5 лет назад +4

      A low offset wheel is exactly the same as a higher offset wheel with a hub centric spacer (from your wheel hubs point of view). There is no difference at all. I run a square setup on my M3 and use a rear spacer to account for the difference in track width between the front and rear.

  • @naturalbornhuman3450
    @naturalbornhuman3450 5 лет назад

    The coolest series on this channel! 👌👌

  • @Iamdesignproducts
    @Iamdesignproducts 5 лет назад

    Love this series!

  • @milviodeleon4421
    @milviodeleon4421 5 лет назад +5

    Car Throttle logic = put on a light weight nut, lets go test it...haha .15 faster.

  • @steve323f
    @steve323f 5 лет назад +3

    That missing pair of pliers does not agree with my OCD 😂

  • @smashstudios4634
    @smashstudios4634 5 лет назад

    I have been waiting for so long please make the next one quickly

  • @SebastianUllrich1990
    @SebastianUllrich1990 5 лет назад

    Really liked the side-by-side comparison clips.

  • @espro436
    @espro436 5 лет назад +39

    Just install bigger turbo!

    • @alexstromberg7696
      @alexstromberg7696 5 лет назад +1

      Problem is that engine is the worst of all m57s, max power is like 270hp or something with maybe 600nm. Should have bought a 330d e90

    • @firedude1Productions
      @firedude1Productions 5 лет назад +3

      MOAR B0000000000000ST

    • @kittf7
      @kittf7 5 лет назад +3

      Alex Strömberg u are actually wrong, the E90 has more Power, but because of eletric failure its not reliable at all and its more expensive to fix

    • @alexstromberg7696
      @alexstromberg7696 5 лет назад

      @@kittf7 but this isn't about how long it will last tho

    • @sneekeruk
      @sneekeruk 5 лет назад +5

      And intercooler, and nozzles... and a better clutch, and an lsd. Then youll be somewhere near 350+bhp and 700nm.

  • @turkishstig8489
    @turkishstig8489 5 лет назад +16

    How are we going to trust you with reviews when you are sponsored and actually selling those items in the video? You seem very biased.

    • @chrisdolmeth2077
      @chrisdolmeth2077 5 лет назад +4

      what if he only works with companies and sells things he personally backs and trusts

    • @jasperfk
      @jasperfk 5 лет назад +2

      Brian Smith He’s not accredited or reliable. He’s entertaining, seems like a decent bloke, but it’s not as though he’s a doctor or a qualified mechanical engineer.
      I don’t blame him for trying to make some cash but these video-long adverts are pretty bad. That Shell V-Power one was absolutely unwatchable.

    • @marian-gabriel9518
      @marian-gabriel9518 5 лет назад +1

      Brian Smith Because what he trusts is irelevant since he is not an expert on the topic and therefore cannot be trusted to make the best choices to show people how things are done...because they're, simply put, just not done this way. For example he said that those Pirelli tires are clearly overwhelmed by that extraordinary suspension setup, which is really not the case at all. Take a P1 and slam some P-Zeros on it and it will just work...(I just chose it for the P's :p ) But that's because of the fact that the P1's suspension setup is NOT just bolt on coilovers and expect it to just work on their own, or worse yet, expect the tires, no matter how good they are, to do all of the work...it just doesn't work that way yet many people think of these things as individual "mods" that work independently of the rest of the car and the experts regard them as "packages" meaning many pieces working together.

    • @ThungStudios
      @ThungStudios 5 лет назад

      was thinking the same thing

    • @BensCoffeeRants
      @BensCoffeeRants 5 лет назад

      Eibach is a good brand though, there are other suspension brands that work similarly I'm sure. I like how that one had two different type of coils, some I've seen are sort of like that but basically it's a single coil but changes to spiral more near the top, which might work similarly.

  • @Tharag999
    @Tharag999 5 лет назад

    Great series!

  • @Element_y
    @Element_y 5 лет назад

    I pretty much plan to mirror every step taken in this series with my 330D so I'm really excited for this series

  • @zanmacarol7926
    @zanmacarol7926 5 лет назад +7

    stiffen it up... still waaay to much body roll

    • @lloyd.8272
      @lloyd.8272 5 лет назад +2

      Zan Macarol Vrabec Tyres already loosing traction through hard cornering, going stiffer will only put more force through the tyre causing even less control.
      Tyres with a stiffer side wall should of been fitted first before adjusting the the suspension to suite.

    • @zanmacarol7926
      @zanmacarol7926 5 лет назад +1

      darren lynes yes but... You cancel that out with wider and grippier tyres. Not by aloving it to roll like a transit van.

    • @lloyd.8272
      @lloyd.8272 5 лет назад +1

      Zan Macarol Vrabec You need weight transfer (body roll) to force the tyres into the road. The key is good control of the roll and having enough bump travel in reserve to keep the car settled if it encounters a bump mid corner.
      Totally different with track/ race cars that use aero to push the tyres into the road, they can afford to have very stiff set ups.

    • @jasperfk
      @jasperfk 5 лет назад +2

      Christopher Glover That’s the opposite of the truth though. If I car has less body roll there is more weight and momentum transfer through the tires, meaning less grip.

    • @BensCoffeeRants
      @BensCoffeeRants 5 лет назад

      Roll didn't seem excessive, it's an improvement. Look at the old Miatas they have a ton of body roll but still handle well.

  • @ardennielsen3761
    @ardennielsen3761 5 лет назад +12

    that car is not built to handle the load that those springs and shocks are putting on the spring perches and shock towers... they will crack or start to over stress the body of the car. you have to weld in reinforcement plates or the car will rip its self apart.

    • @jareknowak8712
      @jareknowak8712 5 лет назад

      Arden Nielsen true. Better with reinforcement.

    • @CrazyDutchguys
      @CrazyDutchguys 5 лет назад

      Yeah but itll be amazing when the car just falls apart

    • @xpeacemaster
      @xpeacemaster 5 лет назад

      e30 e36s e39s and e46s destroy strut and shock towers stock because of the unibody design.

    • @ardennielsen3761
      @ardennielsen3761 5 лет назад

      even my 1994 Ford Thunder Bird had the rear shock pop a base ball sized hole in the frame on the rear and it also cracked the rear fender, it is a type of fox body car... it has several plates welded into were the shocks pushed thru the body. but then that happened because of 360'000km of hard driving and potholes, plus i think the cut springs on it put an excessive load on the shocks causing them to rip out of the fender over time.

    • @janbroekmann3125
      @janbroekmann3125 5 лет назад +2

      Arden Nielsen Most people only reinforce the strut towers once they do true coilovers in the rear. But here the springs and the dampers are separately so there isn't that much more stress on the strut towers.

  • @Dim4ik2012
    @Dim4ik2012 2 года назад +1

    it is 3 years now, and this is still my favourite series on this channel

  • @TheAdventureAuto
    @TheAdventureAuto 5 лет назад +1

    I just added some cheap coilovers to my NA and it made a nice difference to the handling. I was very pleased.

  • @Jerrypintoswe
    @Jerrypintoswe 5 лет назад +3

    Diesel power

  • @antoniobmw
    @antoniobmw 5 лет назад +15

    3.0 i6 are the best

    • @antoniotod9614
      @antoniotod9614 5 лет назад +1

      Antonio xd nah, 3.0 tdi v6 from audi are the best sounding and perfornance diesel engines

    • @antoniobmw
      @antoniobmw 5 лет назад +16

      Antonio tod i forgot one engine even better.. its 1.9 tdi 77kw

    • @34REDCOW34
      @34REDCOW34 5 лет назад

      no

    • @antoniotod9614
      @antoniotod9614 5 лет назад +1

      Antonio xd they are good performance engine, but the 3.0 tdi sound way batter!

    • @chrissss696
      @chrissss696 5 лет назад +2

      No V6 sounds better than the Alfa Busso

  • @spiders932
    @spiders932 5 лет назад

    This episode have me do damn anxious!!

  • @wayniexagt
    @wayniexagt 5 лет назад

    just imagine what a freeflow exhaust air intake / chip and a bit more boost will do .. but i am glad to see that you are doing the mods in the correct order .... making it handle and stop better before making it go faster .... the young crowd could learn from this . keep up the good work mate

  • @madboy8761
    @madboy8761 5 лет назад

    Ive got these coilovers on my golf and saw so much difference in the amount of body roll, really good coilovers!

  • @evanphilgeorge3511
    @evanphilgeorge3511 5 лет назад

    Alex, this a great video. I was able to learn something new.

  • @GaragemdoBuda
    @GaragemdoBuda 5 лет назад

    I really thought it would be a little more difference... but i'm happy you guys showed the true result. Cheers from Brazil

  • @karlblower4019
    @karlblower4019 5 лет назад +1

    Everyday is a school day... first 6.5 minutes really interesting listening to the engineering involved

  • @polgzz
    @polgzz 5 лет назад

    This series are soooooo good! 😁

  • @TheZanzaroni
    @TheZanzaroni 5 лет назад

    The cars in the garage at 0:42 are so awesome! Oh and Gareth is cool too

  • @DJ-qi4ry
    @DJ-qi4ry 4 года назад

    That guy really knows his stuff. Excellent video.

  • @Painless1992
    @Painless1992 5 лет назад

    I really appreciated the detailed speech of the Eibach representative about the vehicle dynamics and the correct vocabulary and the role of each thing.

  • @damncritics
    @damncritics 5 лет назад

    That lecture by the Eibach GM was awesome!

  • @alexwalsh31
    @alexwalsh31 4 года назад

    Really enjoyed this video guys. This is on my wish list for the BMW M6 V10. I was not in two minds about getting them but this really helps solidify my decision to get them. I'm getting the Eibach Lowering springs with spacers fitted by Motech.

  • @Anggelos876
    @Anggelos876 5 лет назад

    Video added to my favorites play list

  • @dfischer1980
    @dfischer1980 5 лет назад

    Very nice footage! Thank you for this video. :-)