Ep 73 BONUS | - Plain & Precious Things with Dave Butler
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- Опубликовано: 13 июл 2024
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➡ Timestamps:
00:00 - Dave Butler’s background.
06:11 - During the time of the Old Testament there were many religious points of view.
12:21 - The Rod, the scepter of the king.
15:55 - Lehi’s polemic against the priesthood of his day.
17:04 - The Book of Mormon is religious literature of the visionaries edited out of the Hebrew Bible.
19:40 - What must Nephi have thought in the context of the religious reforms of his time?
20:22 - Brigham Young’s quote about the endowment.
23:16 - Matthew describes mysteries.
28:36 - The term mysteries appears 20 times in the Book of Mormon, starting with 1 Nephi 1:1.
32:10 - The rock in the Holy of Holies, the Foundation Stone.
34:22 - Paired visions are a pattern of apocalyptic visions.
35:40 - The Book of Mormon is written to be read by people who know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven.
37:23 - Faith, hope, and charity correlate with the 3 part ascent.
39:18 - The Sermon on the Mount as an ordinance.
47:20 - Nine blessed statements and seven blessing statements.
50:51 - The Book of Mormon is the book of happiness.
52:45 - Alma 30 demonstrates how Korihor is trodden under foot, experiencing the threatened covenant penalty.
54:02 - The shining ones.
56:01 - Sequence of priests Moses, Elijah, and Jesus.
59:41 - Satan is the accuser, the antidikos ἀντίδικος.
1:04:23 - The invitation to be perfect, to have received all the ordinances.
1:07:13 - The Shalems, or the peaceable followers of Christ.
1:15:32 - The daily bread of Matthew 6.11 has layers to its meaning.
1:21:39 - Actions: Eating, drinking and clothing in a liturgical context.
1:23:35 - Melchezidek, the Shalem King.
1:29:27 - The endowment is a gift.
1:33:49 - Thorns and thistles, passing back through the wall into God’s presence.
1:40:48 - Seven blessings and seven branches to the menorah.
1:43:56 - A short list for a long story.
1:48:21 - 2 Nephi 9.
1:54:11 - Negative beatitudes.
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Friends, when you find a channel where 2 or more of the Lords are gathered and they discuss scripture and scripts as fluently as these two and the spirit agrees in your heart of their faith, passion and intellect….listened to these things they share to gain wisdom, without wisdom we make poor decisions ❤ VANA
I keep coming back to this discussion and am ALWAYS captivated. ❤
We have more stuff coming soon! Dave has a new book coming out and I’ve read it and it’s really good!
This is all meat and no milk. It was delicious! Thank you!
Kaboom! I think I could've listened all day but I had to eat. Loved that. Thank you for opening my understandings even a crack! I may have to listen to this several times. I can go back now and reread scripture with new insights! Thank you Brothers, may you be blessed for all your studious efforts and then your willingness to share it with those who have ears to hear.
You are so welcome!
WOW!!! My eyes, mind, heart, and soul have expanded! I've listened to this twice and plan to listen over and over again .
so much insight! Bring Dave Butler back for more!
Just wait until John 1 is released in January 2023. If you like this one, then John 1 will work for you!
@@talkingscripture Can't wait!
Was touch by the understanding that “perfect” is completion of ordinances. I always felt from my temple experience that Christ could not include himself with his Father because he had not completed all the ordinances but to the Nephites He could now speak messianic ally and include himself because He completed the path that we are all to follow if we have eyes to see….
Thought it would be a wonderful world if we addressed each other with Shalom intending that we hope you have ascended to the fullness of the priesthood or completion. You know a prosperous life back in the presence of Father.
Best show you’ve done. He has a second book-show 2?!
I like your idea!!
Shalom ☺️🕍
Thank you! More more more!! Thank you.
If you want more, you will want to read David's books, see the links in the shownotes.
Talking Scripture books ordered and to be read asap! Thanks!
This is amazing...I will be studying this out for a long time!!! Loved the ideas! Thank you...
Thanks for listening!
That was an amazing journey. Have him on again. That was awesome. Thank you
Thank-you did this. I would love more podcasts the last 2 hours. After all, we're supposed to be absorbing the light becoming like christ. That takes us some time.
This stuff never gets old…can’t read the scriptures now without looking for “ other” possible temple excursions. Thank you!
Thank you for sharing all of this!!! I'm very interested in understanding these temple ordinances better and more deeply. Thank you!!
Loved this WHOLE discussion and enlightenment. Please have Dave Butler back on!
I will try and get him back, he’s a lot of fun. Thanks for listening!
I love this !!! More food for thought
Mike Day!!! I didn't know you interviewed this guy?? I've been looking for more podcasts with David Butler after his Sticks of Joseph appearance and all of a sudden I find it on your podcast of all places.
Thanks for listening! This interview was a ton of fun! Dave is a total joy to interview and a wonderful scholar. I hope to do more interviews in the future.
I hope you do as well! Hey what are your thoughts on 1 Nephi 16 1-8 being a reference to the marriage ordinance in the temple? 1 Nephi 15 ends with Nephi explaining the Tree of Life vision aka the temple, to Laman and Lemuel, and the ch. 16 opens with him chastising his brothers and asking them to walk uprightly before the Lord and to follow the path of righteousness, and then vs.7 explains who all got married, and then vs. 8 is Lehi fulfilling all the commandments of the Lord. I may be reaching, but I do find it interesting.
Wonderful stuff and we need more of this!! I really appreciate these special guests and their insight and special witnesses! More please!! ;)
Thank you for this solemn reminder not to lose hope and so much more.
More please. I need this with Alma 12 and 13.
I want 😫 more!
I (Mike) have done more content with Dave (several hours in fact) on the RUclips channel “The Stick of Joseph.” Check that material out if you want more. Also, Dave has a new book on a lot of the stuff we discuss and it’s available on Amazon and is called “In the language of Adam.” I’ve read it, and it’s excellent.
So interesting
Mr. Butler should have his own video series!
I hope to collaborate with David on future projects. He is a great man has great insights.
Please bring him back for more! This was mind blowing? I would love links to his books and other references.
Links are at the bottom of this post: www.ldsscriptureteachings.org/2020/10/04/ep-73-plain-precious-things-with-dave-butler/
Hey cami thanks for sending to to our friend group!!
This has some good nuggets!
Brilliant episode
Wow! Just amazing! I need to study more. I wish I got as much out of the scriptures as you brothers do!
I 👏🏻NEED 👏🏻MORE 👏🏻OF👏🏻 This amazing MR BUTLER!! 👍🏼ASAP 👍🏼
But seriously- can he be a monthly guest???
I can’t wait for his books to get to my door! Come on Amazon!
@@ashleevanallen5526 what did you think about these two books?
With the sets of three (Moses, Elijah, the Lord; Faith, Hope, charity), I wonder if Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob would fit in that pattern of ascension...
Fantastic and I feel kinda stupid missing so much for so long.
The beauty is that we all miss things and we keep going. The joy is in the journey!
This is incredible!!! 🤯
Love this! 👍
Mind blown! I know a little Hebrew. This is fantastic! Thanks for this conversation!
Glad you enjoyed it! D. Butler is a gem!
I got to go into the Well of Souls back in 1999. It was pretty dang cool.
Some references made here I didn't quite grasp. I wonder if that is because your are familiar with an older liturgy that the younger generation is not. Thank you for expanding my scripture study.
Wow mind blowing stuff
David is a gem. I’m doing another video with him on the stick of Joseph channel that will come out after Christmas. He is wonderful.
thank you.
I love nerding out! Thanks for all the VERY interesting information. I will not read the Book of Mormon the same way again. Is there a place I can get more info on the first Israelite religion? I am VERY interested in that as well.
Glad you found this useful. Check this out: www.ldsscriptureteachings.org/2020/01/24/overview-of-the-first-israelite-temple-drama/ As always, the money is in the footnotes. I would read the stuff I cite by Mowinckel (all the liturgical significance of the Psalms - it is ALL 1st Temple stuff), Heiser (if you are into Enoch and what's going on there), Eaton's stuff on the Festal Drama, and his kingship stuff, LeGrand Baker - get his book - it is at Deseret Book and I link to a free PDF he has made available, Ricks' stuff in Temples of the Ancient World, and Eliade. Also the stuff I write on the Cosmic Myth. Oh, and read Frankfort's book Kingship and the Gods. These are good starters. The journey is fun. And it is really relevant, depending on how it is presented.
Oh I almost forgot, you gotta get both of David Butler's books I mention in the first minute of the podcast. Get those!
On the topic of (Moroni 7:3) finding rest: Overcome the World and Find Rest October 2022 Russell M Nelson, also Alma 12 and 13
Please can you cite the source for Brigham Youngs quote at 20:22 as Google is no help
00:03 Discussing the Sermon on the Mount and Second Nephi 9
01:55 Dave Butler's inspiration for writing a book about the Book of Mormon and his approach to it
05:36 Section 91 emphasizes everything as our canon.
07:29 The Bible offers multiple points of view.
10:52 The oracular use of the urim and thummim in the Book of Mormon
12:41 The tree symbol represents power and worship across cultures.
16:17 Religious texts point out truth but also highlight what is not true.
17:57 The reformers disliked the religion of the kings of Judah but it was the heirs of that religion who saw Jesus as the awaited king.
21:27 Hunger for deeper understanding of scriptures
22:53 Initiatic secret is public, but requires readiness to understand.
26:08 Mysteries of the kingdom of heaven
27:54 The mysteries of the kingdom of heaven and their connection to the Book of Mormon
31:01 The foundation stone's significance as a holy site and its connection to historical and poetic references
32:37 Adaptation of religious practices in absence of resources
35:46 The Book of Mormon is meant to be understood by those familiar with the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven.
37:17 The three spiritual gifts faith, hope, and charity correlate with a three-part ascent.
40:47 Understanding the Sermon on the Mount as an ordinance is a significant shift.
42:16 Interpreting the Sermon on the Mount
45:35 The temple and the three-part ordinance
47:17 The Beatitudes are entrance qualifications.
50:42 The Book of Mormon is associated with happiness
52:27 Losing your savior leads to being cast out and trodden under foot of men
55:36 Ordinances are not just ritual actions, but lived stories and mythologies.
57:21 The sequence of priests implied by this ordinance.
1:00:31 Beware of Satan as the accuser
1:02:04 Do not swear oaths, but let your communications be yes or no.
1:05:24 Understanding the concept of perfect in a specific sense
1:07:07 The initiatic secret is not hidden, but the world may not be ready for it
1:10:32 The answer starts with faith and ends in the presence of the tree of life.
1:12:12 Teaching about justice and mercy in the book of Matthew
1:15:21 The kingdom of heaven is the ultimate goal.
1:17:10 Yahweh means 'I am the one who makes, I am the one who will be, I am the one who always is.'
1:20:19 Choosing between earthly and heavenly treasures
1:22:01 God provides for your needs
1:25:26 Melchizedek's significance in the Hebrew text
1:27:12 Melchizedek symbolizes righteousness and the pursuit of the kingdom of God
1:30:38 The serpent as a symbol of Christ in the book of Helaman
1:32:27 Eve is seen as the mother of all living things
1:35:57 The journey from two trees to one tree in the Bible
1:37:28 Entering the kingdom of heaven and judgment
1:40:50 The beatitudes are significant and relate to the tree of light and life.
1:42:23 Being clothed by God and fed by the Lord signifies inheriting the earth.
1:45:38 Preparation and instruction for spiritual striving
1:47:16 Hiding the text in plain sight for survival and non-editing
1:50:43 Receiving judgment and inheriting the kingdom of God
1:52:16 Nephi's exhortation to his sons and the tragedy of losing Laman and Lemuel
1:55:41 The negative beatitudes and warnings in sacred space
1:57:22 True wisdom is hidden from those who don't hearken to the councils of God.
2:00:39 Insights into the Veil Sermon and Ordinance
2:02:15 Alma 12 talks about forgetting the mysteries if you're wicked.
Kinda deep. Wish I understood it better. But rather exciting.
1:56:00 12 BEATITUDES
3 more beatitudes in the JST before the 9:
Matthew 6:2
And he opened his mouth, and
taught them saying,
BLESSED are they who shall believe
on me; and again, more BLESSED are
they who shall believe on your words,
when ye shall testify that ye have seen
me and that I am.
Yea, BLESSED are they who shall be-
lieve on your words, and come down
into the depth of humility, and be bap-
tized in my name; for they shall be vis-
ited with fire and the Holy Ghost, and
shall receive a remission of their sins.
Creative minds may see the same stars and create different constellations.
There is more than one way to connect the dots.
The important thing is to not get lost.
Thanks for sharing some interesting observations
worth contemplating.
Where can I find the show notes?
You kept referring to physical space. Like the physical space of Kolob theorem? ER=EPR
Mike, is there a way that I can contact you directly?
I put me email here in the comments, and after several days pulled it. You can go to my website and contact me that way if you still need to. See BrotherDay.org
I was wondering if you have been to the Cairo museum and if so what is important to see there as a Book of Mormon student.
I don't think either Bryce or I have been there. I (Mike) have not. The Museum in Israel is certainly worth a visit, though. I can't wait to get to Egypt! (gotta save my coins)
You forgot to add a link for Brother Butler's books. Where can I find them.
If you click on the show notes, you’ll find the books linked there.
Here is a quick link as well:
www.amazon.com/shop/talkingscripture?ref_=cm_sw_r_apin_aipsfshop_aipsftalkingscripture_C6KR5EQ0PE4GAXGK6KYT&language=en_US
Thanks.@@talkingscripture
1:33:20 Myth = world view/perspective/mindset
Really?! Minute 1:05. Be ye therefore perfect is a prediction? That feels a lot better
The future in this verb allows for it to be exactly that. Of course there is nuance here as well. The future indicative can also be read as an imperative in some cases and so this isn’t settled. But I read this as a future and grammatically I (Mike) am on good ground here.
@@talkingscripture There is a Hebrew manuscript of the New Testament in the Vatican called Vatican EBR.100 which was written in Spain around the 1500s. Its translation is also that "in the future" you will be as God is, supporting your reading of the text.
Deuteronomy 16:21 Thou shalt not plant thee a grove (asherah) of any trees near unto the altar of the Lord thy God, which thou shalt make thee.
Chris I can't wait till we get to Deuteronomy. What it reveals is mindblowing, especially in light of the reforms that both Nephi and Lehi are opposing. You might want to go back and listen to our podcast that we did on 1 Nephi 1-7, episode 30. You will want to start around minute 7. The scholarship on Deuteronomy is mind blowing and is nailed by Joseph Smith's Book of Mormon translation. There was a massive religious fight in 640 BC that was going on and the textualization of Deuteronomy was the result. So reading this text using the Book of Mormon as a hermeneutical lens is vital to seeing what is going on here. Levinson has a great book on this as well as Moshe Weinfeld. I would highly recommend these books.