With the upcoming RG Zeong, I felt that it was only fitting to make a Development History on this iconic machine. ➥Use the code Kakarot15 to get 15% off of your LootCrate purchase: loot.cr/3hXPuGp Valid on all loot crate purchases (except Limited Edition crates, Destiny and Loot Launchers) Kakarot's notes: Please keep in mind that this video only deals with mainline UC-lore and excludes the Origin and Thunderbolt as those are set in their own version of UC. (with their own story-specific history)
I noticed at the 5:00 mark of this video you used the main menu soundtrack from Gundam Crossfire/Target In Sight. That game was amazing. Unfortunately due to been a launch title for the PS3, it suffered numerous issues like bad ai and glitches. I wish they remastered that game with more campaigns and units while obviously fixing the bugs and voice acting.
@Kakarot197 at around the 9:10 mark, when the technical specification screen for the Zeong was shown, the power output of the Zeong was stated to be 94,000kW. Given that the earlier slides stated the Perfect Zeong's output was 9,400kW I believe this to be a typo.
Before the pandemic: Hey, Gundam’s cool, maybe I’ll look into it if I have some time. Post-Pandemic: I HAVE A BURNING NEED TO KNOW WHY THE LOGISTICS BEHIND THE PERFECT ZEONG DIDNT WORK OUT
This is so recognizable it hurts. Me January 2020: Gundam the Origin was pretty cool, I should watch some more Gundam shows. And that Zaku looks pretty cool, doesn’t the store next to my barber sell Gundam model kits or something? Me January 2021: UC is the best continuity, Char did nothing wrong, I’ve seen every UC show and watched my imported 08th MS Team and 0080 WitP blu-rays with every friend I could. My Gunpla collection has outgrown its shelf twice, P-Bandai prices seem fair and reasonable, my new life goal is to own a kit of every OYW Zeon suit and my new favorite t-shirt is a vintage Cospa shirt of the MS-09 Dom visor I got online from a Malaysian thrift store. Not gonna lie, I may need help...
They should have taken a look at the history of Warfare, and learned from that. War comes down to Logistics and Supply. It doesn't matter that you have the most amazing weapons available if you can't produce all that many of them, or can't get them to the frontlines in sufficient numbers. Or if you have gear that is difficult to repair and keep running in the field. Boys study Tactics, Men study Logistics.
I know Char’s Deleted Affair story is considered to be an alternate universe story but I love that Char at the end of it piloted a perfect Zeong and the difference in its ability was instantly noticed by him. It was faster and more maneuverable. The federation soldiers that encountered it that day would never live to tell the tale.
@@MusicFan752 I like the alternate stories in gundam vs zeta gundam (PS2 console) where if Amuro had not killed Lalah, he and Char would have joined the AUEG and together guided Kamille against the titans. Another one is where Lalah and Sayla are both dead and Char joins the Titans instead.
@@trollinoakenshield9822 Mobility and agility is greatly improved, allowing the Zeong to more easily dodge shots and more easily aim its own MPCs. This would've been massive since Char was an MS pilot and wasnt familar to the MA like control that the legless Zeong faced.
@@zakhaevshub4735 can't remember but it's one of the more recent ones. The Federation in thunderbolt had captured 3 Zeongs and amped the suit up. It has an booster rocket with Missiles and the head was capable of seating two Pilots. Io pilots it due to the Atlas gundam being overhauled for space use and is being piloted by the other Chick in thunderbolt that pilots the Guncannon aqua.
Three things worth noting. 1. The Zeong has second cockpit in torso, and supposely still operatable by two oldtype pilots working together (not as good as one newtype, of course). 2. At least one model kit manual claim that Zeong is always suppose to be legless in space and the missing 20% are the missing armor around its upper arms. But this might get retconed as newer kits claim both the legs and upper arms' armor contribute to that 20% 3. Technically the Psycho Gundam is yet another of Zeong' successor. It's huge, it has cockpit in head, and the weapons are very similar (head beam, finger beams, and abdoment beams) but use the psycommu system for controlling the MA itself instead.
to be fair, it's not supposed to if you look at the model kit and other artwork, but yeah a lot of official artwork also still have those parts missing and I'm not really sure why, maybe out of universe aesthetic reasons lmao
The new Paramount + shows are cannon star trek has always ran on Gene Roddenberry's cannon policy " that it always looked like that we just didn't have the money to.implement it back then" he also like to adjust his cannon view based on how he read a panel audience. The on!y AU is the Kelvin timeline from the last few films.
Federation zeong is much better design than the zeong. With rocket like thruster for the leg. It promises much more mobility and power to perform earth to space maneuver.
@@travisstryder216 I've seen on the wiki, but it functions similar to the Braw Bro in that the pilot is an Old-type and the Psycommu weapons are controlled by a New-type co-pilot. Also I don't think it's part of the manga was translated yet
7:12 I just love the story of the Zeong, in that its factory was under attack when it was being constructed, but being 80% complete, they launched it into combat anyways with enlarged rockets. Kinda reminds me of those stories of Stalingrad, where the Soviets were literally rolling out T-34 tanks out of the factories, straight into combat.
Interesting bit of old-timey lore: one of the same sources that mentioned the Zeong supposing to split apart also mentions that it was supposed to be equipped with spare cables in case it was disarmed. The implication as to the anticipated difficulty in getting the limbs to rendezvous w/ the MS during combat implies the Zeong's arms *might* have been able to be wirelessly controlled w/i an extremely limited range in the meantime.
Even though nobody calls it a spiritual successor, I think Neo Zeon's Alpha Azieru should count as one for the Zeong. Has the same overall concept, cockpit in head, similar weapons, and even has the Sturn Thrusters the Neo Zeong had. Not it's fault Quess was the pilot, lol.
Except the engineer was wrong. Legs in a MS provide AMBAC, giving mobile suits their trademark agility. Sticking legs on the Zeong wouldn't have improved the speed, but it would have improved its agility, allowing the Zeong to make faster turns and changes in direction.
@@EEE2431.- Except that is explicitly how they work in the lore. I didn't say it was necessarily how it would shake out in real life (where mobile suits would all be horrendously impractical), but it _is_ accurate to how MSes work in universe.
@@passingrando6457 the doubled weight doesn't really help with agility since you need much more thrust to turn. There is a reason why zaku is 50ish tons and this thing is 420 tons
from game Gato: so this is Zeong, where's the legs? Char: technicians said the legs are just decoration.... Gato: lol future Gato: *piloting legless MA*
I loved the psycom Zakus. Even though they have a limited operation time I see those guys a great escort ms. Magnetically fix them to the ship, run a power pipe to them, and you get one hell of a gunner that only needs to leave if the enemy gets to close.
Whenever I see the zeong for some reason I always remember that gundam-san episode where Amuro looks under the Dom's skirt Oh and when will there be a hazel development history? I want to see you talk about all of them. ALL OF THEM Wait why is the psycommu early test type called a zaku when it looks like an effect?
This video disappoints me, it's such a shame that the Zeong's best feature was neglected by most of its successors. One of my favorite parts of the original Gundam was the "It doesn't have legs." "It doesn't need legs!" exchange. Especially because once you see it in action you realize that they're right; it really DOESN'T need legs.
Funny considering the most iconic scene in Gundam is Chars Zaku kicking the Gundam. Also watching how pilots move the legs for more agility when in space. Let just not mention the fighting on earth and colony’s.
AMBACS needs some kind of weighted thing to theow around to help the mech turn and flip without having to burn propellant best used to accelerate and brake.
@@zacharyradford5552 mobile suits never made much sense to me on earth. In space the benefits are very obvious. In reality on a planet you out fit tanks with guns capable of taking out zaku armor and they have the advantage. A 60ft tall mobile suit makes a hell of a target and you only need to take out something below the waist to make it unusable on Earth
I remember seeing the Zeong on the show. I remember Char manage to piloted it. It was the suit that destroyed Amuro's Gundam. If they more of these during the One Year War and these suits were given to Ace Pilots, they would have destroy Gundams.
I just want to say thank you for the nods to the Crossbone Gundam mangas. They’re my favorite Gundam content and it’s really nice to see anything from them get shown the spotlight. And the use of Misato’s theme from Evangelion during that segment: priceless.
That Zeon pilot was spittin though. It didn't really need legs, if anything it might even be better off without for less weight. Like the Guntank right. Imagine you're going off to a big battle and this caterpillar tank legged suit just cruises through space
I feel like the Zeong is often underappreciated by Japan and Sunrise. I always see Chars Red Zaku II get a lot of merchandise and attention when it was basically unable to even harm the Gundam. The Zeong flat out defeats it and I never see anything made for it besides Gunpla and maybe Gatcha toys. I feel like that implies most people don't watch past the first episode.
well there was also the robot damashii figure and the MSIA action figure, and I've seen some plushies and pillows, I think the Zeong have been getting a better push lately marketing wise especially with the impressive RG kit
It's probably because it got so little screentime compared to most of the other suits he used, Like the Zaku II, Hyaku Shiki, and the Sazabi. He's had quite a lot of suits over the course of his life, so it's hard to put an equal spotlight on all of them.
Hearing sci fi talk about how brainwave controlled things are very responsive just makes me laughs in retrospect now that we know more about just how slow neural signals actually are compared to any other forms of communications and electronic processing systems.
@@GojiraFan-in9oo It was featured in the non-canon manga that Space Runaway Ideon appeared in. Char, Amuro and Judau fought against it to stop the destruction of the universe.
That Great Zeong looks reminiscent of the Kshatriya from Unicorn and those giant Neo Zeongs remind me of the Alpha Azeiru from Char's Counterattack! And I thought I was bad having the same two character names in all my NaNoWriMo projects even though they don't share universes! Mostly! (Two are Pokémon, two are Gundam Mars Colony Era (mine), one Borderlands and I'm scrapping and starting over with the pirates one in favour of a space adventure!) Speaking of, how about development history for Qubeley/Quin Mantha/Kshatriya?
had they finished producing all of the zeongs in time AND if the zabi family did not pull the PR stunt of giving most of their gelgoogs to young recruits then they may very well have won the war.
Love this video so thanks!!! Wasn’t much of a fan in the early days of this MS but now I absolutely LOVE IT!!! I bought a HG kit for nostalgia but now I absolutely want to buy a RG kit of this!!! The RG kit is most EPIIIIIC!!!
To be fair, Thunderbolt is an alternate continuity that greatly resembles the OG Universal Century but takes a lot of creative liberties. (Especially with MS design.)
@@SweetPotatoDingo Most people agree its an alternate timeline- and even the author of the series has confirmed it in an interview- otakumode.com/news/52fc76ef80cd488c6b00068f/Interview-with-Mobile-Suit-Gundam-Thunderbolt-Author-Yasuo-Ohtagaki-3-3 " It’s a bit off from the so-called “correct history,” but I did that on purpose [laugh]. I started off on the sidelines without much attention, which actually allowed some freedom as I wrote and I didn’t have to defend myself, so I decided to change what I wanted, and I think it was good that I could start that way. Being in that position is similar to how it was for the first Gundam, so I’ve been happy with it. "
I love when we get stuff like the YMS-06Z, stuff that was clearly designed not to actually fit into the aesthetic of the era but for a completely different timeline of toys. Love the design itself but the Psycommu Zaku looks like it belongs in Unicorn, not the original series. The all-range attack... [TURN-X INTENSIFIES]
I am of the opinion that it is a great thing that Kakarot's been doing like our own GUNDAM HISTORY channel. A purely objective view of the technical advances that are borne from conflict. Well done, Cheers.
A mobile suit splitting it limbs and head to which each part can move and attack by remote control? The only one I know that can do that perfectly would be the Turn X Gundam. Also, I thought the name Zeong was supposed to be a play on "Zeon G-undam" as to that this was the Zeons version of the popular mobile suit.
the first thing that popped to my mind when they mentioned the "split its parts then continue operation" thing is King Joe from Ultraman series. it has basically the same concept.
I wonder how you feel about the Thunderbolt developments. I do think they change some of the canon with the decisions they've made but love how they've given attention and revitalized some older designs.
Engineer 1: you think putting the cockpit in the head will be a problem? Engineer 2: Sticking up out of the top and easy for a lucky shot to kill the pilot in one hit? Nah, Char is piloting it. He has enough plot armor to avoid that.
I imagine Okawara was splitting hairs when making these designs. All the logic that had to fit in the designs. No wonder he was happy designing stuff for X and wing :D
I never liked the Zeong line. I don't know what it is about it, but it feels more super roboty and gimmicky. Still, cool video dude! I love how you frame these lore videos almost like in-universe documentaries. I actually get a kick out of imagining that kind of thing. Like in the old Star Wars books (pre-Disney) imagining an in-universe biography of Luke Skywalker decades after the war. Or in Gundam, 100 years post OYW, studying about the OYW in school, the way we learn about WW2 and such. Maybe I'm just weird, but I find that kind of thing really cool. As for Loot Crate, I had a subscription for about 2 years and I ended it about 2-3 years ago. They send some cool stuff. But it's all very very cheaply made. I liked a lot of the T-shirts they sent, but they were such poor quality that after wearing them maybe 6-8 times, they were faded, stretched out and basically little more than rags. Compare that to T-shirts I bought at Hot Topic a *decade* ago that I still have and wear regularly, after hundreds of washes. I'd much rather use my money for a smaller number of higher quality shirts and collectibles of my choosing, than get a bunch of random stuff that - while cool - is very poor quality.
As soon as we get a Development History on the RX-78-2 A.K.A. The OG Gundam because the GM-Series (or Jim-Series depending on who you ask\pronounce it) were developed from the RX-78-2, which in and of itself, set the general precedent for all Gundam series to come.
I'm pretty sure it went like this " General: Well we successfully created the Gundam. Now let's mass produce them to trample Zeon! Fed. Politician: Sure but could you make a cheaper one? We can't afford all these Beam rifles and ball and chains for all of them. Ooh and paint them red, it will get rid of our stock of red paint. General: Won't that make them easier to hit. Fed. Politician: No, it will make them Badass like the Red Comet. Which I'm sure our pilots with zero experience with Mobile suits can handle" and that's how it went.
Anyone notice that the first test Zaku looks more like an Efreet than a Zaku due to the head? I think I remember 5, possibly more, or so Efreets were made and so far only 4 have been seen. Regular one piloted by Henry Boone, Doug Schneid Custom, Efreet Custom [EXAM], and the Efreet Nacht. Maybe the head came from a dismantled Efreet
There were 8 efreet created and we know of the 4 you stated and a nacht can be seen amoung the zeon remnants in unicorn. However it's likely they used parts from the efreet although it was a ground use mobile suit.
Nice video! But you missed a few small things. There was actually a second Braw Bro unit made. At the Battle of A Baou Que in the anime, if you look carefully at the background, there was actually a 2nd Braw Bro unit that was deployed as part of the Zeon fleet. Secondly, in Char's Deleted Affair manga, the Perfect Zeong was deployed. Char did comment it was much more mobile. And the original technician who said the Zeong didn't need legs took back his words, and said that legs actually made a big difference in mobility. Thanks for the video, and take care!
With Mobile Armors and Giant MS it makes you wonder why they have Battleships anymore. I mean, they are just targets. Unless a Battleship can do half of what a Mobile armor can do they may as well retire them and just have refueling ships that hang back from the fighting.
Here’s an idea if possible, mass production battle royale. Fight between the different mass production mobile suits and to keep it balanced sticking with first generation mass mobile suits I.E. Zaku 2, GM, Ginn, strike dagger, Leo, and any of the mass production suits before the gn tau drives.
10:55 The Great Zeong looks like it was partly based on the Apsalus series of Mobile Armours from 08th MS Team. It also sort of resembles the later Kshatryia.
A lot of its individual parts are based on other Zeon mobile armors. The lower body is essentially a Big Zam, the torso is similar to an Aspalsus III, And the design as a whole might be based on the Quin Mantha, rather than the Kyshatryia.
its not just bit weapons that allow newtypes to be weaponized. They make excellent pilots simply by having a sense that tells them if someone is getting ready to shoot at them or not.
The perfect way to make wireless comms for weapons that can’t be jammed by minovski particles or hijacked by a stronger new type with psycchoframe tech, and can also be used by old type would be to just use quantum entertainment.
3:38 Man, that's a neat colour scheme. Someone should reuse it for a newtype-use mobile suit. Maybe something with a psycommu system integrated into the frame.
@@bthsr7113 Outside of the various hero ships (like White Base and it's successors in UC or the various protagonist carriers in the SEED timeline) warships in any kind of gundam series only exist to be slaughtered by mobile suits without any hope of fighting back. I mean, I'd love to see a top 10 list of warships because there's some really cool designs across the franchise, but honestly, it'd be a pretty sad video :P.
ive been working on my own custom zeong for one of the gundam breaker games, mixing it with some gundam parts, mostly the Virgsos arms, and the Strike Freedoms Dragoons,, i made it to be an ultimate all ranger attacker, and i named it Sieg Zeong, as a play on words of its well, insperations developers
One thing that disturbs me is that the psychommu System is left ambiguous and in Solomon express it shows that the reason why the mobile armor were so bug is that the implied psychommu system was a massive human Brain.
Headcanon: the Kikeroga was originally going to be the MSN-01 as a prototype to the Zeong but was scrapped when they realized it wouldn't work at a standard MS size, this is what caused the High Mobility Psycommu Zaku to have its model numer changed. The Kikeroga would still influence the Zeong in design and placing the shoulder Beam Cannons into the body. Also I see the Great Zeong as more a development of Neo/Axis Zeon engineers directly following the One Year War (before they called themselves Neo Zeon) and was based on the unbuilt MSN-03, which is why it has the "-2". This would also explain why is has such a resemblance to the Queen Mansa & Kshatriya.
A few things Zeon needed to do if they wanted to win: 1: Fire M'Quve. Nothing he did was any good for Zeon. 2: Initiate the United Maintenance Plan sooner. Like, 'as soon as the Dom came out' sooner. 3: With 2 done, look at some of the machines that didn't make it into mass-production, update them accordingly and give them another go(the Zudah especially would've proved good in space). Variants of these MS(the Gyan especially would be nice, the Eos especially) may then be produced as needed. 4: Refit the large stockpile of amphibious mobile suits for use in space. No sense leaving them to rot, after all.
Another fantastic video; I swear the design aesthetic of Zeon's mobile suits is like a drug. Do you have any plans for covering the MS-09 Dom and Rik Dom development histories?
I used the Bishop a decent amount in Battle Operation 2 and i like it. The High Mobility Type (Named Psycommu Zaku in-game) is also playable. And of course the Zeong is in the game too though he didn't appear until over a year into the game's lifecycle. The game is currently adding Zeta, ZZ & Sentinel stuff.
Hey, looking at this got me thinking, what if during the battle of A Baoa Qu, Amuro has the Alex Gundam and Char has the Great Zeong or the Zeong High Mobility Type when they battled it out with each other, would that have been a more even fight?
![RX-78 Gundam Development History [The Early Types]](/img/1.gif)
With the upcoming RG Zeong, I felt that it was only fitting to make a Development History on this iconic machine.
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Please keep in mind that this video only deals with mainline UC-lore and excludes the Origin and Thunderbolt as those are set in their own version of UC. (with their own story-specific history)
Have you seen the perfect zeong thunderbolt Version ?
I noticed at the 5:00 mark of this video you used the main menu soundtrack from Gundam Crossfire/Target In Sight. That game was amazing. Unfortunately due to been a launch title for the PS3, it suffered numerous issues like bad ai and glitches. I wish they remastered that game with more campaigns and units while obviously fixing the bugs and voice acting.
@@tommyv010 Og ver : a Zeong with legs.
thunderbolt ver : a Zeong with fuel tanks.
😆😆😆
@@MagiYellow Thunderbolt rlly love fuel tank
@Kakarot197 at around the 9:10 mark, when the technical specification screen for the Zeong was shown, the power output of the Zeong was stated to be 94,000kW. Given that the earlier slides stated the Perfect Zeong's output was 9,400kW I believe this to be a typo.
Before the pandemic: Hey, Gundam’s cool, maybe I’ll look into it if I have some time.
Post-Pandemic: I HAVE A BURNING NEED TO KNOW WHY THE LOGISTICS BEHIND THE PERFECT ZEONG DIDNT WORK OUT
Gundam is a rabbit hole without ending, welcome.
Because legs are just for show
This is so recognizable it hurts.
Me January 2020: Gundam the Origin was pretty cool, I should watch some more Gundam shows. And that Zaku looks pretty cool, doesn’t the store next to my barber sell Gundam model kits or something?
Me January 2021: UC is the best continuity, Char did nothing wrong, I’ve seen every UC show and watched my imported 08th MS Team and 0080 WitP blu-rays with every friend I could. My Gunpla collection has outgrown its shelf twice, P-Bandai prices seem fair and reasonable, my new life goal is to own a kit of every OYW Zeon suit and my new favorite t-shirt is a vintage Cospa shirt of the MS-09 Dom visor I got online from a Malaysian thrift store.
Not gonna lie, I may need help...
@@jiriz0r This is me when checking out gundam series that weren't build fighters
My guy, you should try building gunpla too
Here's what Zeon needed to do to win.
1. No mobile armors
2. Get rid of prototypes and initiate Bishop Plan.
3. Give Ral his freaking Doms
General Maintenance Plan my mistake
They should have taken a look at the history of Warfare, and learned from that.
War comes down to Logistics and Supply. It doesn't matter that you have the most amazing weapons available if you can't produce all that many of them, or can't get them to the frontlines in sufficient numbers. Or if you have gear that is difficult to repair and keep running in the field.
Boys study Tactics, Men study Logistics.
@@moriskurth628 They tried to do what the federation did, create superweapon prototype and turn the tide of the war with it.
4. Mass produce the Big Zam lol
No. Just one thing: a Gundam.
MSN-03 Zeong: You took everything from me.
MSN-03 Jagd Doga: I don't even know who you are.
avengers scarlet witch and Thanos, I see what you did there lol
Zeon Engineers: "How many thrusters do you want?"
Zeong High Mobility Type: "Yes."
Nina: You should defect to the Zeons with me, Kou!
Kou: Pfft, their MS don't have nearly enough vern --
Zeong HM Type:
Kou: SIEG ZEON
They really took that High Mobility name a little too seriously
Once the Tequila Gundam enters mass production we will finally defeat the Mushroom Kingdom.
Imagine a full armor tequila gundam. Its armor will look like tacos
@@Bobert2020 FA Tequila Gundam Mk II "Mezcal"
hgfc tequila gundam when bandai?
Desert Radio until other 4 main gundam got a gunpla
Final victory will be ours!
I know Char’s Deleted Affair story is considered to be an alternate universe story but I love that Char at the end of it piloted a perfect Zeong and the difference in its ability was instantly noticed by him. It was faster and more maneuverable. The federation soldiers that encountered it that day would never live to tell the tale.
Makes you wonder what would happen if char in the perfect zeong fought against amuro in a completed gundam Alex.
@@MusicFan752 I like the alternate stories in gundam vs zeta gundam (PS2 console) where if Amuro had not killed Lalah, he and Char would have joined the AUEG and together guided Kamille against the titans. Another one is where Lalah and Sayla are both dead and Char joins the Titans instead.
man, That battle between char and the feddies are the example of how powerful Perfect zeong is.
@@MusicFan752 i dont think it will give char any edge even over OG gundam, those leg only increase it size and make zeong easier target
@@trollinoakenshield9822 Mobility and agility is greatly improved, allowing the Zeong to more easily dodge shots and more easily aim its own MPCs. This would've been massive since Char was an MS pilot and wasnt familar to the MA like control that the legless Zeong faced.
I love how Thunderbolt gives us explanation for at least one of those other Zeong units, it's now being polited by Io apparently!
Wait Federation Zeong ?
@@SUNDOWNERM7 hey bro which volume that the feddies had zeong ?
@@zakhaevshub4735 can't remember but it's one of the more recent ones. The Federation in thunderbolt had captured 3 Zeongs and amped the suit up. It has an booster rocket with Missiles and the head was capable of seating two Pilots. Io pilots it due to the Atlas gundam being overhauled for space use and is being piloted by the other Chick in thunderbolt that pilots the Guncannon aqua.
@@SUNDOWNERM7 wait Io and Bianca piloting Refitted Zeong😂 ?
@@SUNDOWNERM7 atlas gundam modified for space use?, I haven't seen thunderbolt since bandit flower (i forgot which chapter)
Three things worth noting.
1. The Zeong has second cockpit in torso, and supposely still operatable by two oldtype pilots working together (not as good as one newtype, of course).
2. At least one model kit manual claim that Zeong is always suppose to be legless in space and the missing 20% are the missing armor around its upper arms. But this might get retconed as newer kits claim both the legs and upper arms' armor contribute to that 20%
3. Technically the Psycho Gundam is yet another of Zeong' successor. It's huge, it has cockpit in head, and the weapons are very similar (head beam, finger beams, and abdoment beams) but use the psycommu system for controlling the MA itself instead.
The Psycho Gundam II also possesses wire-guided arms, while the "prototype Psycho Gundam" was literally made around this feature.
To this day I still wonder why the "Perfect Zeong" is still missing armor on one bicep and one thigh.
to be fair, it's not supposed to if you look at the model kit and other artwork, but yeah a lot of official artwork also still have those parts missing and I'm not really sure why, maybe out of universe aesthetic reasons lmao
@@bellablessings5410 I think it was suppose to mean that the Perfect Zeong doesn't have time to be completed fully so it has some missing parts.
I think it's to show the what the wires that guide the arms and legs look like under the armor.
To be Sexy, it has to show off the components.
@@seawind930 "My parts are showing? OH MY!" -A prudish GM
In Gundam Thunderbolt, a number of Zeong's were captured by a Federation assault team.
Kakarot likely just left thunderbolt out since it has canonical issues with the original 0079 lore
@@leolied6766 Hmmm, true.
The new Paramount + shows are cannon star trek has always ran on Gene Roddenberry's cannon policy " that it always looked like that we just didn't have the money to.implement it back then" he also like to adjust his cannon view based on how he read a panel audience. The on!y AU is the Kelvin timeline from the last few films.
Federation zeong is much better design than the zeong. With rocket like thruster for the leg. It promises much more mobility and power to perform earth to space maneuver.
@@travisstryder216 I've seen on the wiki, but it functions similar to the Braw Bro in that the pilot is an Old-type and the Psycommu weapons are controlled by a New-type co-pilot. Also I don't think it's part of the manga was translated yet
...you know, this leaves me with one fairly scary mental image: a Perfect Zeong Hi-Mobility Type, with both legs AND thruster wings.
7:12 I just love the story of the Zeong, in that its factory was under attack when it was being constructed, but being 80% complete, they launched it into combat anyways with enlarged rockets.
Kinda reminds me of those stories of Stalingrad, where the Soviets were literally rolling out T-34 tanks out of the factories, straight into combat.
When your getting your ass kicked you gotta turn everything thing loose for a punchers chance a winning.
The Neo Zeong was a goddamn monster, its one of the most overkill machines in the UC I mean how many mega particle cannons you could possibly need
full frontal: yes
More dakka so I can shoot the unicorn through time
@@Aceshot-uu7yx and also itz red to make da neo zeong go fasta.
1:21 Funnel development history
Interesting bit of old-timey lore: one of the same sources that mentioned the Zeong supposing to split apart also mentions that it was supposed to be equipped with spare cables in case it was disarmed. The implication as to the anticipated difficulty in getting the limbs to rendezvous w/ the MS during combat implies the Zeong's arms *might* have been able to be wirelessly controlled w/i an extremely limited range in the meantime.
Even though nobody calls it a spiritual successor, I think Neo Zeon's Alpha Azieru should count as one for the Zeong. Has the same overall concept, cockpit in head, similar weapons, and even has the Sturn Thrusters the Neo Zeong had. Not it's fault Quess was the pilot, lol.
"The legs are just decorations, the top brasses won't understand that."
- A Zeon MS engineer.
Except the engineer was wrong. Legs in a MS provide AMBAC, giving mobile suits their trademark agility. Sticking legs on the Zeong wouldn't have improved the speed, but it would have improved its agility, allowing the Zeong to make faster turns and changes in direction.
@@passingrando6457No. It will double in weight with legs and good luck maneuvering with that
@@EEE2431.- Except that is explicitly how they work in the lore.
I didn't say it was necessarily how it would shake out in real life (where mobile suits would all be horrendously impractical), but it _is_ accurate to how MSes work in universe.
@@passingrando6457 the doubled weight doesn't really help with agility since you need much more thrust to turn. There is a reason why zaku is 50ish tons and this thing is 420 tons
Char: it has no legs
Engineer : Those high ranked officers know shit about machinery
Yeah, you don't really need legs in space. Unless you just have the urge to kick something in your giant robot.
Andrew Owens ...wait
@@andrewowens4421 thats exactly why zeong lose against gundam because zeong doesn't have legs char can't use his trademark kick on the gundam
You know the Zeons we're in a hurry when they didn't have time to paint the unit red.
Zeon engineer: "legs are just for show!"
also Char is famous for his Red Comet Kick attack, lol.
from game
Gato: so this is Zeong, where's the legs?
Char: technicians said the legs are just decoration....
Gato: lol
future Gato: *piloting legless MA*
Which game?
ironic
7:55 I thought my monitor was glitching when the Zeon symbol started moving.
...What dark sorcery is this?
The box art on that Perfect Zeong is f*ckin' cool.
I’m pretty sure that Perfect Zeong’s “Gundam head Ball” story is not only not canon, but actually a comedy comic
That's why it has the jovial music behind it.
It's canon in our hearts damn it.
Hence him saying supposedly and dismissing it at the end. He knows it's a joke like Skippy
3:20 Is that only 1 of the sub pieces next to the Gundam?
Yeah. HG Mechanics for this guy.
It most definitely is and HG Mechanics really needs to come back for the rest of the UC MAs
I loved the psycom Zakus. Even though they have a limited operation time I see those guys a great escort ms. Magnetically fix them to the ship, run a power pipe to them, and you get one hell of a gunner that only needs to leave if the enemy gets to close.
Oh Zeon Deikun. If only you knew.
Thank god they never finished that thing or Amuro would've failed.
Especially those heavy legs and char signature kicks yeah the federation would be retreating back out of fear of the red comet
Whenever I see the zeong for some reason I always remember that gundam-san episode where Amuro looks under the Dom's skirt
Oh and when will there be a hazel development history? I want to see you talk about all of them. ALL OF THEM
Wait why is the psycommu early test type called a zaku when it looks like an effect?
The Hazel was actually part of the Byarlant's development history
@@GojiraFan-in9oo Yeah the key word is part of.
because as shown by this very episode Zeonic MS sucks at naming things.
Ah, yes, the Gundam-san omakes! Mostly they just went after Char for being a pedophile.
Because they just attached all the bits to a Zaku frame.
This video disappoints me, it's such a shame that the Zeong's best feature was neglected by most of its successors.
One of my favorite parts of the original Gundam was the "It doesn't have legs." "It doesn't need legs!" exchange. Especially because once you see it in action you realize that they're right; it really DOESN'T need legs.
Funny considering the most iconic scene in Gundam is Chars Zaku kicking the Gundam. Also watching how pilots move the legs for more agility when in space. Let just not mention the fighting on earth and colony’s.
AMBACS needs some kind of weighted thing to theow around to help the mech turn and flip without having to burn propellant best used to accelerate and brake.
@@zacharyradford5552 mobile suits never made much sense to me on earth. In space the benefits are very obvious. In reality on a planet you out fit tanks with guns capable of taking out zaku armor and they have the advantage. A 60ft tall mobile suit makes a hell of a target and you only need to take out something below the waist to make it unusable on Earth
Zeong was perfect without legs
I remember seeing the Zeong on the show. I remember Char manage to piloted it. It was the suit that destroyed Amuro's Gundam. If they more of these during the One Year War and these suits were given to Ace Pilots, they would have destroy Gundams.
That Great Zeong looks like perfect one year war version of the Queen Mansa and the Kshatriya.
Sucks they never made a true HG or MG queen mansa. That would be a better kit then Kshatriya. And it’s much bigger.
Mobile armor status 😎😎
@@franciscomedina7701 It has a simpler design, too. I feel that if they can make that work, they can make Kshatriya work, too.
6:14 because legs are for chumps
9:36 Ha!!
I just want to say thank you for the nods to the Crossbone Gundam mangas. They’re my favorite Gundam content and it’s really nice to see anything from them get shown the spotlight. And the use of Misato’s theme from Evangelion during that segment: priceless.
That Zeon pilot was spittin though. It didn't really need legs, if anything it might even be better off without for less weight.
Like the Guntank right. Imagine you're going off to a big battle and this caterpillar tank legged suit just cruises through space
I feel like the Zeong is often underappreciated by Japan and Sunrise. I always see Chars Red Zaku II get a lot of merchandise and attention when it was basically unable to even harm the Gundam. The Zeong flat out defeats it and I never see anything made for it besides Gunpla and maybe Gatcha toys. I feel like that implies most people don't watch past the first episode.
well there was also the robot damashii figure and the MSIA action figure, and I've seen some plushies and pillows, I think the Zeong have been getting a better push lately marketing wise especially with the impressive RG kit
It doesn't look as cool as the Zaku
It should have been painted red.
It's probably because it got so little screentime compared to most of the other suits he used, Like the Zaku II, Hyaku Shiki, and the Sazabi. He's had quite a lot of suits over the course of his life, so it's hard to put an equal spotlight on all of them.
It tied. Wasn’t even a very convincing tie.
Hearing sci fi talk about how brainwave controlled things are very responsive just makes me laughs in retrospect now that we know more about just how slow neural signals actually are compared to any other forms of communications and electronic processing systems.
I like the Braw Bro. They have never made a good scale model or even a MSIA toy. And that is a bummer.
I absolutely love the What If units from the G Generation games.
Though I completely forgot the Great Zeong was even a thing!
FINALLY. CHAR'S ULTIMATE MOBILE SUIT
@Hikaru shidou Sazabi is debatable
But Nightingale is the most obscure Char machine
@@GojiraFan-in9oo I think the Suzaku would be the most obscure.
@@Kenny_F91 huh? What is the Suzaku?
@@GojiraFan-in9oo It was featured in the non-canon manga that Space Runaway Ideon appeared in. Char, Amuro and Judau fought against it to stop the destruction of the universe.
I would argue the neo zeong is superior
That Great Zeong looks reminiscent of the Kshatriya from Unicorn and those giant Neo Zeongs remind me of the Alpha Azeiru from Char's Counterattack! And I thought I was bad having the same two character names in all my NaNoWriMo projects even though they don't share universes! Mostly! (Two are Pokémon, two are Gundam Mars Colony Era (mine), one Borderlands and I'm scrapping and starting over with the pirates one in favour of a space adventure!)
Speaking of, how about development history for Qubeley/Quin Mantha/Kshatriya?
*sees a new Kakarot197 vid*
*CLICK*
had they finished producing all of the zeongs in time AND if the zabi family did not pull the PR stunt of giving most of their gelgoogs to young recruits then they may very well have won the war.
Love this video so thanks!!! Wasn’t much of a fan in the early days of this MS but now I absolutely LOVE IT!!! I bought a HG kit for nostalgia but now I absolutely want to buy a RG kit of this!!! The RG kit is most EPIIIIIC!!!
9:24 Wait a minute, is that Char's Zaku 2, or the Gelgoog (?)
It might be the char zaku 2
"All 3 Units were then destroyed"
Thunderbolt: haha.... no
Edit: so based on the comments below, Thunderbolt is just as cannon as missing link
To be fair, Thunderbolt is an alternate continuity that greatly resembles the OG Universal Century but takes a lot of creative liberties. (Especially with MS design.)
@@supergeno128ds can you sight any official sources claiming this? I can't seem to find any info regarding Thunderbolt not being part of UC time line.
@@supergeno128ds is it confirmed alternative time line, cause I've yet to see anything in official media stating that
@@SweetPotatoDingo Most people agree its an alternate timeline- and even the author of the series has confirmed it in an interview- otakumode.com/news/52fc76ef80cd488c6b00068f/Interview-with-Mobile-Suit-Gundam-Thunderbolt-Author-Yasuo-Ohtagaki-3-3
" It’s a bit off from the so-called “correct history,” but I did that on purpose [laugh]. I started off on the sidelines without much attention, which actually allowed some freedom as I wrote and I didn’t have to defend myself, so I decided to change what I wanted, and I think it was good that I could start that way. Being in that position is similar to how it was for the first Gundam, so I’ve been happy with it. "
@@SweetPotatoDingo I guess you are right, the kits are not sold under the HGUC branding.
I love when we get stuff like the YMS-06Z, stuff that was clearly designed not to actually fit into the aesthetic of the era but for a completely different timeline of toys. Love the design itself but the Psycommu Zaku looks like it belongs in Unicorn, not the original series.
The all-range attack... [TURN-X INTENSIFIES]
I am of the opinion that it is a great thing that Kakarot's been doing like our own GUNDAM HISTORY channel. A purely objective view of the technical advances that are borne from conflict. Well done, Cheers.
A mobile suit splitting it limbs and head to which each part can move and attack by remote control?
The only one I know that can do that perfectly would be the Turn X Gundam.
Also, I thought the name Zeong was supposed to be a play on "Zeon G-undam" as to that this was the Zeons version of the popular mobile suit.
Turn X is *not* a gundam.
the first thing that popped to my mind when they mentioned the "split its parts then continue operation" thing is King Joe from Ultraman series. it has basically the same concept.
I really like that theory on the Zeong's name, it even has a parody of the Gundam's v-fin with the ear antenna
basically a gundam that said 'screw legs i don't need em'
The Zeong isn't a Gundam.
I wonder how you feel about the Thunderbolt developments. I do think they change some of the canon with the decisions they've made but love how they've given attention and revitalized some older designs.
I love these videos. Perfect to glance at and admire the many unique mobile suits while tinkering with my computers!
I just realized, when the zeong is posed like in the thumbnail it kinda looks like a head
Engineer 1: you think putting the cockpit in the head will be a problem?
Engineer 2: Sticking up out of the top and easy for a lucky shot to kill the pilot in one hit? Nah, Char is piloting it. He has enough plot armor to avoid that.
I imagine Okawara was splitting hairs when making these designs. All the logic that had to fit in the designs. No wonder he was happy designing stuff for X and wing :D
As a SoCal former surfer, I lol'd at an MA named Brah-Bro
I’m so happy you referenced the B Gundam’s supposed influence on the Perfect Zeong’s development with the same music too!
I never liked the Zeong line. I don't know what it is about it, but it feels more super roboty and gimmicky. Still, cool video dude! I love how you frame these lore videos almost like in-universe documentaries. I actually get a kick out of imagining that kind of thing. Like in the old Star Wars books (pre-Disney) imagining an in-universe biography of Luke Skywalker decades after the war. Or in Gundam, 100 years post OYW, studying about the OYW in school, the way we learn about WW2 and such. Maybe I'm just weird, but I find that kind of thing really cool.
As for Loot Crate, I had a subscription for about 2 years and I ended it about 2-3 years ago. They send some cool stuff. But it's all very very cheaply made. I liked a lot of the T-shirts they sent, but they were such poor quality that after wearing them maybe 6-8 times, they were faded, stretched out and basically little more than rags. Compare that to T-shirts I bought at Hot Topic a *decade* ago that I still have and wear regularly, after hundreds of washes.
I'd much rather use my money for a smaller number of higher quality shirts and collectibles of my choosing, than get a bunch of random stuff that - while cool - is very poor quality.
i was waiting for this for a long time thank you
when are we getting RGM development history
As soon as we get a Development History on the RX-78-2 A.K.A. The OG Gundam because the GM-Series (or Jim-Series depending on who you ask\pronounce it) were developed from the RX-78-2, which in and of itself, set the general precedent for all Gundam series to come.
I'm pretty sure it went like this " General: Well we successfully created the Gundam. Now let's mass produce them to trample Zeon! Fed. Politician: Sure but could you make a cheaper one? We can't afford all these Beam rifles and ball and chains for all of them. Ooh and paint them red, it will get rid of our stock of red paint. General: Won't that make them easier to hit. Fed. Politician: No, it will make them Badass like the Red Comet. Which I'm sure our pilots with zero experience with Mobile suits can handle" and that's how it went.
Eeegh, taking the Federations decisions in the sequel series' I gotta agree with you. Also I just have to say UFP>EF
Anyone notice that the first test Zaku looks more like an Efreet than a Zaku due to the head? I think I remember 5, possibly more, or so Efreets were made and so far only 4 have been seen. Regular one piloted by Henry Boone, Doug Schneid Custom, Efreet Custom [EXAM], and the Efreet Nacht. Maybe the head came from a dismantled Efreet
There were 8 efreet created and we know of the 4 you stated and a nacht can be seen amoung the zeon remnants in unicorn. However it's likely they used parts from the efreet although it was a ground use mobile suit.
@@ThatCatJay im pretty sure the one in Unicorn is Doug's refitted for modern technology and piloted by Fred Reber
@@shawdawg3675 oh really? I didn't know. All I knew about the machine was it was a purple efreet with heat kunai. Nice to know thanks
Thunderbolt's Zeong gets no love...
Huh. So this is there the Turn X's ability to split into different parts comes from.
You're really knowledgeable when it comes to mobile suits and their history I really like it thank you for the info and the history lesson
Nice video! But you missed a few small things. There was actually a second Braw Bro unit made. At the Battle of A Baou Que in the anime, if you look carefully at the background, there was actually a 2nd Braw Bro unit that was deployed as part of the Zeon fleet. Secondly, in Char's Deleted Affair manga, the Perfect Zeong was deployed. Char did comment it was much more mobile. And the original technician who said the Zeong didn't need legs took back his words, and said that legs actually made a big difference in mobility. Thanks for the video, and take care!
With Mobile Armors and Giant MS it makes you wonder why they have Battleships anymore. I mean, they are just targets. Unless a Battleship can do half of what a Mobile armor can do they may as well retire them and just have refueling ships that hang back from the fighting.
I mean... Ya gotta have a way to carry Mobile Suits/Armors around.
Love it when you do these videos.
Legless Development History
Ball
I never thought that the Zeong had such an interesting story great video btw !
the "splitting into multiple sections" gimmick did make it's comeback though... in the Turn X
How can you make fun of an ace pilot that's famous for kicking his opponent? Give him a MS without legs.
Thanks to Gundam Battle Assault 2 for the Playstation, I know about a quarter of what you're talking about.
Dang, I'm really digging those white Psychommu Zakus. Imagine at least an MG of it.
Qubeley development history might be interesting... seeing as how it goes from a psycommu Dom test to the Kshatriya.
Gundam encounters in space ost oooooooooh mai gaaawd, ps2 were truly the golden days
Here’s an idea if possible, mass production battle royale. Fight between the different mass production mobile suits and to keep it balanced sticking with first generation mass mobile suits I.E. Zaku 2, GM, Ginn, strike dagger, Leo, and any of the mass production suits before the gn tau drives.
The Zeong was supposed to be able to split up eh?
So that's where the Turn-X got that ability from.
10:55 The Great Zeong looks like it was partly based on the Apsalus series of Mobile Armours from 08th MS Team. It also sort of resembles the later Kshatryia.
A lot of its individual parts are based on other Zeon mobile armors. The lower body is essentially a Big Zam, the torso is similar to an Aspalsus III, And the design as a whole might be based on the Quin Mantha, rather than the Kyshatryia.
And the Neo Zeong looks like it draws fron the Neue Ziel in the shoulders department.
its not just bit weapons that allow newtypes to be weaponized. They make excellent pilots simply by having a sense that tells them if someone is getting ready to shoot at them or not.
Wild that this concept essentially got revisited as the hero Gundam of Witch from Mercury.
The perfect way to make wireless comms for weapons that can’t be jammed by minovski particles or hijacked by a stronger new type with psycchoframe tech, and can also be used by old type would be to just use quantum entertainment.
And in Wing G Unit a Gundam uses a similar concept.
My favorite MS... Almost every chance I get with any game, I love piloting the Zeong and Generations of it.
9:30 char likes kicking though, even in space
"It has no legs"
"They're just decoration, sir"
"But...my kick..." 😔
As always, another great video.
I know it was only in Battle Assault but I'm a little sad I didn't see the "Beam Kick" the front thrusters could do in that game.
I’m a simple man. I see gundam development story, I click.
You forgot that Char piloted a Perfect Zeong in Char's Deleted Affair
3:38 Man, that's a neat colour scheme. Someone should reuse it for a newtype-use mobile suit. Maybe something with a psycommu system integrated into the frame.
7:34 Wonderful thanks to that Mobile Suit B Gundam, that idea was to make Psycho Gundam and Destroy Gundam born into Gundam franchise
Take a sip of water every time he says wired or wire-guided.
For a sec I was worried for someone's liver. Well played
Question: kakarot197 what are your top 10 mobile armors from the Gundam franchise??
I'd love to see that, or a top 10 warships.
@@bthsr7113 Outside of the various hero ships (like White Base and it's successors in UC or the various protagonist carriers in the SEED timeline) warships in any kind of gundam series only exist to be slaughtered by mobile suits without any hope of fighting back.
I mean, I'd love to see a top 10 list of warships because there's some really cool designs across the franchise, but honestly, it'd be a pretty sad video :P.
ive been working on my own custom zeong for one of the gundam breaker games, mixing it with some gundam parts, mostly the Virgsos arms, and the Strike Freedoms Dragoons,, i made it to be an ultimate all ranger attacker, and i named it Sieg Zeong, as a play on words of its well, insperations developers
One thing that disturbs me is that the psychommu System is left ambiguous and in Solomon express it shows that the reason why the mobile armor were so bug is that the implied psychommu system was a massive human Brain.
Headcanon: the Kikeroga was originally going to be the MSN-01 as a prototype to the Zeong but was scrapped when they realized it wouldn't work at a standard MS size, this is what caused the High Mobility Psycommu Zaku to have its model numer changed. The Kikeroga would still influence the Zeong in design and placing the shoulder Beam Cannons into the body.
Also I see the Great Zeong as more a development of Neo/Axis Zeon engineers directly following the One Year War (before they called themselves Neo Zeon) and was based on the unbuilt MSN-03, which is why it has the "-2". This would also explain why is has such a resemblance to the Queen Mansa & Kshatriya.
A few things Zeon needed to do if they wanted to win:
1: Fire M'Quve. Nothing he did was any good for Zeon.
2: Initiate the United Maintenance Plan sooner. Like, 'as soon as the Dom came out' sooner.
3: With 2 done, look at some of the machines that didn't make it into mass-production, update them accordingly and give them another go(the Zudah especially would've proved good in space). Variants of these MS(the Gyan especially would be nice, the Eos especially) may then be produced as needed.
4: Refit the large stockpile of amphibious mobile suits for use in space. No sense leaving them to rot, after all.
Another fantastic video; I swear the design aesthetic of Zeon's mobile suits is like a drug.
Do you have any plans for covering the MS-09 Dom and Rik Dom development histories?
I could swear you said *"Lewd Crate"*
I used the Bishop a decent amount in Battle Operation 2 and i like it.
The High Mobility Type (Named Psycommu Zaku in-game) is also playable.
And of course the Zeong is in the game too though he didn't appear until over a year into the game's lifecycle. The game is currently adding Zeta, ZZ & Sentinel stuff.
Hey, looking at this got me thinking, what if during the battle of A Baoa Qu, Amuro has the Alex Gundam and Char has the Great Zeong or the Zeong High Mobility Type when they battled it out with each other, would that have been a more even fight?