Miniature Machinery -- A Shaper from the 1800's -- The Cross Rail Casting
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- This video shows the complete machining of the miniature shaper, cross rail casting. Very challenging small part with a lot of reference features. Take a Look !!
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Hello Joe,
Nicely done. Enjoyable viewing, thank you.
Take care.
Paul,,
Glad you enjoyed it Paul.
I am in fact enjoying this series. I've said before, I am not a machinist, but watching how you handle order of operations and how you handle where to get your dimensions from, that is, where you measure from to place features, has been helpful to me in other things, such as woodworking and some simple 3d building I do. I can't afford to support anyone monetarily, but I can like, comment, and subscribe!
Many thanks for the support. I appreciate every one of you.
Enjoyed thanks. I am relating as I am currently restoring a 1944 Cincinnati shaper!
Mine will be easier to move when its done. :)
@@joepie221 you are so correct mine weighs 4,400 lbs! Enjoy the miniature video builds! Good job!
Just bought a used Tormach PCNC 1100. Have been tearing it down, cleaning, and re assembling. Taking a break and watching your videos has me excited to get her up and running.
Good luck!
looking forward to the day that there's a machine shop full of these models running on line shafts
I am a huge fan of anything Joe Pie. My wife is a professional artist who couldn't give a rat's ass about manual machining, but enjoys watching your videos with me because she considers your projects to be pieces of art.
Thank you for your support. Tell your wife I've had 2 machined sculptures commissioned by the US and Canadian governments and did set graphics for the motion picture Robocop. Art has been a very big part of my career. Also tell her I said thanks. My video catalog has videos on most of these.
@@joepie221 Thanks Joe. I passed the message to her. We are both anxious to watch those videos.
Hey Joe, Something that I would like to see you cover and would be interesting to your audience(at least it would be interesting to me anyway) is what is the accuracy of the various kinds of edge finders and other tricks (like wigglers, that crazy jointed stick, forgot the name, using gauge pins in chuck/collet, etc.)? I know you are not really a millionths machinist (perhaps you were in a previous job) but I think you are one of the smartest on the internet and you also have more knowledge and shops kinks than most everyone. Thanks in advance and keep up the good work!
I have a video on picking up edges and my reasons why. The comment string is a wealth of additional input as well. Thanks for the compliment.
Glad to see are well enough to be on your feet to do this project. I ALWAYS learn something. Thanks, Joe
Still hurts, but thats to be expected for a while.
Hello Joe
All the little parts and the detailed drawings remind me of when I was training to be a machinist...I built a few small functional models during that time, and when I built one of these models I was tested. I don't know if you are aware of this, but here in Germany we have a training system that includes both the practical and the theoretical part. It takes about 3 years before you can call yourself a journeyman.
Kind regards Andreas
I've always heard the German program requires engineers to spend time in the shop too. No wonder your engineering is so meticulous.
Same here , my training was making camera parts , The men that taught me were from the war transfer to the states , even met Weraner Von Braun .
@@michaelbush2905 Wernher von Braun was sure an excellent engineer, but it is highly doubtful that he claims to have known nothing about the forced laborers in the production of the V2 rockets.
A difficult topic, even after all these years here in Germany.
Shortly after my apprenticeship, I briefly thought about going to the USA, but by the end of the 80s it wasn't that easy anymore...
@@joepie221 We would do well in this country to go back to when engineering was an apprenticeship with tons of time spent on the shop floor. Let me ask you this . How many US collage boys can grind a 3/8 drill bit, let alone drill 2-holes with it +/- .005 on location in a drill press? I'm betting the Germans and even Chinese can do it. We are in deep, deep trouble here when the old timers are all gone. - Most "top line' CNC "journeyman" can't even grind a HSS round nose lathe tool. Sad but true.
Still love'n it Joe, well done. I think you need a barbie doll hand on a stick so you can point to stuff more easily. Stay safe and well :)
Working on it!
Hey Joe, Thank you sir.
David, email me your address for some stickers.
Good stuff Joe! That casting appeared to be really nice.
They are.
Great video Joe, thanks for sharing
Oh nice another machine.
Great videos
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Joe, I have a Sherline combo lathe and mill with risers, could I be able to machine /build these mini machines. thanks Ralph
I would expect you to be able to. Start with a smaller model to test it out. I enjoyed the mini arbor press.
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i have just been offered an old shaper .... i cant get anyone to move it for me, a real shame as its dirty bet appears to be in good working order
Where are you?
Is it just me or is he using Mic?
The video is a combination of camera direct audio and over dubbing with a lapel mic.
@@joepie221 Nice. Would you mind if I recommend getting a free compressor/limiter plugin and watching a few videos on it? Your audio is pretty good, But a compressor bring up the lows and takes down the highs. Both mics should work.
I've always loved your content, ever since I was a junior in highschool. Now I'm a Junior in college and just started an internship at a machineshop in my hometown! Thanks for making such great content, it made me develop a love for all things machining
You just made my day. Best of luck to you.
Are you in the US? Shoot me an email if you are. Use my website contact page.
@@joepie221 yes I am in the US, just sent an email via the contact page. Hope it gets to you alright
@@josiahrodriguez8020 Got it. Thanks. Just replied.
You are like a Rembrandt with a milling machine. Enjoy the technique that how you arrive at determining locations on the part being milled.
Thank you. After you know the size of the cutter, it actually gets easier.
It is always great to watch the touch of the masters hand. Thanks for the video.
Thanks for stopping by Harold. Always good to see a comment from you.
Thanks for sharing Joe, another great video
Thanks. Very well thought out and explained.
Glad you liked it
Superb as always...
Joe,
Thank you for letting us know what we are looking at. ASMR videos are not for me.
Thanks for the pin tip. I’ve been using a feeler gage. A pin is much better.
I have to go unloosen something now. 😎
Thanks,
John
I would hold my breath anticipating the jump of the edge finder. Felt like I was right there. Thanks Joe Pi!
As always, I'm amazed at your craftsmanship.
How long did that take Joe?
Cheers Neil
It took a few hours. Setting up camera angles and lights makes the process much longer than it needs to be. Your sticker got here. Very nice. Thanks. Please confirm your mailing address via my website contact page. The link is below the video description.
@@joepie221 ok, I'm on it😁
Awesome work! As with anything machining-related, there are about a thousand ways to do something. Maybe this will help someone.
As far as setting tool height w/a gauge pin/block/etc. I start with the tool below the pin’s height. I drop the knee/raise the tool until the pin barely clears. To me, the other way is kind of like rubbing your belly & patting your head. With this method, I’ve definitely lowered my contributions to the swear jar.
It's a feast for the eye to see how you tackle these castings, after some 40 odd years in the job i still learn from your craftmanship. I made this same shaper from the original Charles A. Strelinger catalogue. Since i had no castings i made it from stock. For this i had to design the whole shaper in CAD. In this manner i also made the lathe, the pillar drill, the grinder and the press. If anyone interested please contact me.
Shoot me a message from my website contact page. Link in the video description.
Very Nice Joe, I have learned a lot by watching your setups and listening to your explanation of why. Thank you for making me a better machinist!
Thanks for the comment. Good to know you get something from the material.
Always love the shop gems. If its new to me it always gets me a deeper understanding of machining, or reinforces something I have learned.
The little shop gems could be a real life saver at times. Glad you enjoy them.
Looking great! You whip that mill cutter around like a heart surgeon!
Thanks 👍 My hands do all the work, I just sit back and watch.
Glad to see the journey and not just the final product. I write software all day long for my day job, so I always enjoy the peace of working with my hands to get away from all the "thinking" work. Got my first mill (hobby) last Christmas, but I'm taking my time building workbenches... and just setting up my shop and tools... what would be some good starter / hobby projects?
right now I'm just building various sizes of boxes and cubes.
Get the mini arbor press kit. Its still challenging, but a good entry level project.
THANK YOU JOE, REGARDS R.
Amazing how many set ups for such a small piece, so many chances to screw up 😉 ! And you nailed it again Joe ! Thanks for the video 😊 !
"In any system of energy, Control is what consumes energy the most.
No energy store holds enough energy to extract an amount of energy equal to the total energy it stores.
No system of energy can produce sum useful energy in excess of the total energy put into constructing it.
This universal truth applies to all systems.
Energy, like time, flows from past to future".
Wailing.
You have to really look the part over before you start it. A mid stream oops can really ruin your day.
My backside puckered up watching you pull the cutter out of the part with barely a whisker to spare over the chuck jaws. Guess I have some machine improvements to do 😉
I just realized that P.M Research is like a 30min drive from where I live. Been watching ppl build their stuff for years and had no idea. LOL
I'd have to visit if I was that close.
Your editing is great. Almost couldn't even tell you did it. Nice work 👏. Love it when you explain everything 👍.
Thanks. I hope to move up to better software and really step it up.
I really should follow your advice more.
It took me months to get around to making an 'Indecol' style clamp for mill/drill and I've found (as you kept telling everyone) it gets used way way more than expected.
The co-ax indicator hasn't been out of the case since I made DTI holder.
As I rarely use small taps (1.5mm ~3.5mm, and even more rare to use Imperial sizes) I haven't gotten around to the tap holder but, it will be next thing.
Making these models is interesting in many ways, to me, mainly for set-up and sequence, particularly with very small mills.
After the video where you said 'it's the only one I have (1/8" end mill?) I finally got around to making a bit holder for the 35 degree 'diamond' shaped carbide inserts I bought several years ago to make a ball turner. 2.5mm solid carbide end mill in steel was easier than I had anticipated (although bearings did get a bit warm running at 2,500rpm)
Thanks Joe.
Excellence is a way of life. Nice to have you back.
Good to be back.
I really enjoy watching the precision of your work. I might have to get over there to visit and maybe, if possible, watch you do a bit of work. I live over in Thorndale.
Awesome, thank you, cheers.
Every time I see you have another post it reminds me of the story of the slowly moving wall at Bethlehem steel. Great seeing you again my friend. Watching you takes me back to days of old to my early days as a machinist. There was sooooo much to learn to work ahead if that makes any sense. Is there a motor cycle shop near by as it seems there is always the sound of one in your posts. Working deep with small cutters takes that extra bit of care. Any broken cutter will likely leave behind an owie that will drive a machinist crazy, nuts. Even hidden they will never leave your memory. Been there and had it happen more than thrice eh. Thank a bunch for having us along this fine day. Take care now eh !
I remember that like it was yesterday. It made quite an impression.
@@joepie221 I can relate. The first time (and every time ) I was introduced to the first vertical boring mill with it's 20 ft table I felt special and from that day on I tended to it like it was something very special. Looking back now there were likely only a few handfuls of the big machines world wide. I regret the day I chose to leave Cooper/Bessemer. My career would have taken me in a totally different direction. No real regrets though. I have lived the life of 10 men.
great work ! getting that cutter that close to the vice makes your back pockets a little tight . LOL
I occasionally set the cutter with a feeler gage against the jaw top surface for some cuts. I know its going to clear, but I still hold my breath and look for the contact mark.
Great as always, learn something from every video. Thanks Joe
Glad to hear it!
your matriculates attention to the fine details is as always spot on every time thanks for shearing the build of all these model machines those knurl thumb wheels best thing i ever made for my-self from one of your previous builds provide great feel for those small taps great shop gem right there thanks Joe
Glad you like them!
matriculates ??
@@Watchyn_Yarwood Its a combination of meticulous, precision and articulate. Right up there with unloosen. :)
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Enjoyed…2 weeks to beer time….lol
Looking forward to it. Any guy that thinks about beer at 8:00 in the morning is OK in my book.
@@joepie221 How do you think you can force yourself through the day changing a motor on a filthy overhead crane in a hot ass steel mill?
It's the thought of that BV and Bud waiting for you at the end of the day.
Never been much of a shaper fan. I am now!
Woody
Me either. This may make me one.
You do great work, but while messing with all those super sharp parts and flashing scraps, I would a cut up mess.
If you let your guard down for even a second, those sharp edges will be there to remind you. After a lifetime of handling this stuff, its just natural not to slide a finger on a burr.
As always, your work is inspiring. One question. What is the benefit of attaching to the spindle vs. chuck, or vice versa?
The reach on my holder is limited, so sometimes its to my advantage to attach to the chuck to have more room.
@@joepie221 that makes sense. I thought it might be something like that.
Two-flute or four-flute end mill; how do you decide?
Most soft materials that like to flow like aluminum, brass and plastic need more room between the flutes, so a 2 flute is my first choice. This is why you'll never see a 4 flute router bit for wood. Steel and harder materials need more flutes to get the job done since the chips are historically smaller, so 4 or more is the way to go. Softer steels like 12L18 that are can be done with a 2 flute.
3 flute is a good option for nonferrous!
Great video as always,,, look forward to these videos, when you sweep the part with the Indicol do you use the center function on the dro? Or does it center up with the indicator?? Thanks Joe!
I hit the zero on the indicator on one jaw and zero my digital, I then shift the table and hit the zero on the opposite jaw without adjusting the indicator. Then I hit the centerline button on the DRO. Shift the table to center and double check with a sweep. Its quick.
Thank you for the reply! I bet it is quick!
God of miniature machines. 👏👏👏👍
Thanks for another great video Joe! I never thought I'd like watching videos of machining miniature machines and I was correct. I don't like them, I LOVE them! It seems to me that it takes more skill to make these things since tolerances have to be kept so tight or they don't look right and may not even function.
I think I'm addicted
Holding the small stuff can be a challenge. I'm enjoying it more than I expected. Building one machine was a bucket list item for me. Having an entire mini shop was never even a thought.
@@joepie221 Funny how things turn out sometimes 😀
Great work as usual. You make it look easy, but I suppose that's what comes from year of experience. FYI, I've seen other videos of peoples work which quote inspire by Joe Pieczynski in their title.
I'm flattered by that.
I like Mark Presling's tee shirt. "WWJPD"
@@joepie221 The title is "pallet clamps (Joe Pie inspired)" by outsidescrewball. It came up in my feed again this morning.
@@peter7755 Chuck over at Outside Screwball is the guy I credit for getting my channel off the ground. He gave me a fantastic shoutout when I was just getting started and the channel grew rapidly from there. I'll actually meet Chuck for the first time in about 2 weeks out in California at the Bar Z summer bash. Looking forward to it.
Such extraordinarily important 'tidbits' of information for the novice/starting machinist in these videos. For example; from 10:15 to 11:15. It is those small, but not insignificant, setup notes that illustrate the value of "seeing the whole picture". Such vision comes only after decades of work.
Thank you, sincerely, for taking the time to share your knowledge.
I happy to do it.
Yay! 2nd comment. Love your work Joe. Appreciate you sharing your expertise with everyone 🙂
Thanks for watching!
That was excellent and thanks for the video
Glad you enjoyed it
Nice job, Joe! It's awful hot here in Ausitn....hope you have a little A/C in your shop...lol.
Joe is so cool, he sweats dry ice.
@@Gamerock82 Chuck Norris borrows dry ice from Joe.
We got a hot string sitting on us for sure.
You sure do make it look easy, knowledge, practice and experience. Plus take the time to do it right this is what makes you the Man! Thank you! Please Keep Them Coming!
Thank you, I will
I am 2 belts and a switch away from firing the Potter and Johnston. I just have no time available
So close. Finish it.
Great attention to detail...what craftsmanship is all about.
Small mistakes look pretty big on small parts.
This was a very fiddly component - like your approach Joe :)
It really was.
Aside from shear material removal, I wonder which part takes longer to machine... the model, or the full size original.
Depends on how big a machine you are doing the job on. Size (and horsepower) matters. One place that we did work for had a GIANT planer that pulled chips the thickness of your thumb. You should have heard it groan while it was taking 6' long cuts.
I've seen lathe chips the size of car coil springs. Cleared with a front end loader.
No wolf spider. Lol
Joe you would be a good one to do a comprehensive video on using drop indicators. You know, chalk lines, table stops, crank counting and whatever else you got. No DRO.
When the camera started shaking at 28:35 I thought the cutter had hit the vise ...
I happy that wasn't the case.
I wish it were as easy as you make it look.
47 years of practice. :)
@@joepie221 Yea tell me about it! It sure shows. I'll have to practice more with dials, I can't put DRO's easily on my Atlas.
These are my favorite videos.Anything that involves setups and,order of machining
very good job joe..thanks for your time
My pleasure.
I'd love for you to show the viewers the relationship of the parts you are milling vs the actual milling machine size so that they can appreciate the fine work done on such a big machine. I think many viewers will be shocked if they see the actual fine work done.
just so you know I am watching very closely. Oh and learning something each video.
Nice work!
Loved the tip about the pin in the chuck when using it as a measuring base, I will remember that.
Looking good!
Thank you Sir, enjoyed as always! Hope you are well on the mend bud! Cheers!
Great video, Joe.
I'm glad I'm not the only one that writes notes on the vise lol.
Been doing it for years.
You should see the tail stock on my Clausing. - DRO numbers from 3 different parts that are rotating through right now. Sometimes I scrap the first one in a batch because I use the wrong set of numbers! (Dunderheaditus)
Can't wait 'till this job is done so I can wipe it off and start over with my poor man's CNC.
Thanks for sharing Joe! Another great video. Keep up the great work!
Another great informative video. Thanks Joe.
Very good tip on using a dowel pin in the chuck @ 25:-26+,,,How the foot heeling coming along? Ready to get in some diving yet? Shaper bed looking great. Thx again for doing the shaper first on the new series,,Bear.
Hi Bear. Its entertaining to see someone try to dial in a hole when the indicator body is moving all around. They'll be there all day. Foot is tight and sore. I'm working on it. Diving is out for this year.
Very enjoyable to watch, lots of good tips on the way. Always good to read the comments of your other viewers. The German training system sounds top notch, it's really important to give engineers a solid basis in practical workshop engineering,
Good luck from Spain!!
Practical experience has to be beneficial for a designer. Its a great idea. Greetings from Austin Texas USA
You make it look easy. I would have broken a half dozen cutters by now. Keep it coming Joe. Thank you.
So far, so good.
That looks like a lot of work on a small piece.
It was. I'm sure the challenge isn't over yet.
@@joepie221 I'm sure there will be many more to come, but you will have the right solution for any challenges that do arise.
Another great delivery from you thanx alot for keeping these videos on small model machines coming, also the previous tutorials on machining. it certainly helps me when im applying it to machining articles& new creation tools for my hobby of model trains.
Excellent to hear.
Great work. Many thanks for the tips. I am curious to know how long these jobs take.
Several Hours. Compounded by camera and light setups.
@@joepie221 Yes, camera set up does slow things down.
Seeing you consume those dimples made me peckish. Another awesome part and hell yeah we are enjoying. Cheers
I'm enjoying it too. It should be a great addition to the mini shop.
Thanks for sharing 👍
Great stuff, as always. The tips are fantastic! Thanks for sharing!
Glad you like them!
Thankyou Joe.
Thanks Joe
Sheer craftsmanship is a thing of beauty !
Do it nice, or do it twice.
Incredible thank you look forward to the next one
Thanks. Me too.
John Wayne in Rio Lobo said “unloosen your belt”
Can't argue with that.
Hi JP,
Where do you purchase your model kits from if i may ask please? Thanks Glen
PM Research
Hi Glen. PM Research is the supplier. Not to be a salesman here, but for a one time minimum ($1. US) contribution to the patreon page, you get access to a 10% discount code for all purchases from them. Its a no brainer. Its like buying a $5 bill for a buck.
THANKS JOE
You bet.
I missed one. Thanks for the video Joe.
Any time!
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Bravo Joe! Love this series!
Thanks for stopping by Guy. Always good to see a comment from you.