Hey Edward! Like how much on average does signal loss occur per feet with that low quality cable comes with omnidirectional antenna you've tried? Thanks in advance.
The omni couldn't perform well coz based on the photo in 10:10 it was mount beside a wall which is not really good. It needs to be open in all directions.
Would it be worth your time to rebuild the omni with better cable and cleaning up the horrible assembly and hand cut reflectors? I was especially interested in the fact that when Andrew MacNeil removed the reflectors it improved the gain in the 850 MHz range as that is the band I'm going for.
Hi thanks for watching! Yeah I did think about it as I watch Andrew's channel. But my channel is more orientated towards reviews and info for general consumer rather than those technically competent to do that work. But yeah I did wonder considering the impact the cable has.
Hi Richard, Very good comparison and useful information. I assume your tests were done with all 3 antennas in the same physical location. In practice an external antenna will be mounted externally where it will naturally perform better than an internal one. Also directional antennas will always perform better if pointed towards the transmitter and significantly worse if not. In my situation I am using a 4g router inside a steel Narrowboat which is effectively a Faraday cage. An external antenna mounted on the roof on a small mast is bound to give far superior signal than the rabbit ears inside. Also a directional antenna is totally unsuitable in this case as the cell tower location is never the same and mostly unknown so an omnidirectional is a must. The junk cables can easily be shortened to a few inches and then replaced with better quality to minimise losses but even a 6dbi loss from it being mounted externally results in a significant gain over the internals. At the end of the day it's horses for courses and the fact that it's being mounted externally needs to be considered, especially if living in a modern home will foil lined walls.
Yes all antennas always in same place. Lot of multipath and no direct line of sight, so shows benefit of mimo a lot. Totally right about need for omni on a narrowboat, high gain colinear might help. On other hand, www.cellmapper.net shows mast locations so a directional could come in handy on the odd occasion. And yeah typical in-building penetration losses are what kills signal particularly at higher frequency bands. Just make sure your antenna provides good gain at 800mhz, as this is the band used by operators in rural locations
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Interesting test, especially using the Samsung with external antennas, never have seen this on LTE. 5dB SNR seem like a good improvement for the LPDA.
Hi Richard, many thanks and thumbs up for a decent video (complete with slow-mo). I need an omnidirectional antenna to move the 4g reception out of a constantly rotating metal box of a Tower Crane cab and into the open air. Currently using a TP link tl6400 4g router. I'm looking for a fairly cheap option as I believe just taking it out of the metal box will have significant improvements anyway. Currently looking at Amazon to provide a solution. Any help would be appreciated.
Hi Rupert, do you mean like one of the building cranes at quite a height? If so 3 things. 1. Yes taking outside of the metal box of a cab will definitely help. 2) how high is your router now, I'd think you get great signal anyway... however 3) being at height will massively increase the interference, and while signal will be high, the rf noise will destroy your speed. Let us know bit more about crane, location generally. As for antenna, let us know above first, as situation drives antenna choice
Hi, the phone is a Samsung s3 with engineering firmware edited for use with ascom tems (surveying tool). It was one of latest phones which had hidden antenna ports inside.. just had to drill a hole through and have correct cable. I dont know of more recent phone with accessible antenna ports unfortunately. There are decent apps around to measure signal, the non expert one being netmonitor lite. Doing a vid on them at mo.
@@Phone_Geek thanks for the update, appreciated. Cant seem to find Net Monitor Lite on Google Play. I'm using a combination of Network Cell Info Lite, Network Signal Info & Cell Mapper. Trouble is no external antenna to test different scenarios, and lack of band control. Look forward to the vid 💪👍
thanks for the great content and well-detailed video, I just have one question regarding the directional antenna, why it was installed at a diagonal angle, and have you used 2 directional antennas while testing or one was good enough to get the shared results in the video?
Thanks for watching and appreciate your comment 👍 the diagonal is +/- 45deg. This is called cross polarisation diversity. Diversity is where you use multiple antenna to take account of/reduce/benefit from multipath propagation effects. This diversity used to be 'space diversity' where 2x antenna separated about 1m apart. For various reasons since late 90s it was changed because people hold phone to face not vertically but at an angle, so to get best rf results the antenna got changed in industry to 45deg. Distance between the 2 antennas is related to wavelength.. strictly speaking mine is optimised for LTE 1800. Ideally those diagonal antenna are 'across each other' and in same housing as you see the poynting. All my tests use the best setup I can get, which will always use 2 antennas, as the routers have 2 ports
@@Phone_Geek thank you for your well-detailed reply, I see that you have an appetite to explain things and their history to put them into context and that is a practice good teachers do Thanks a lot
Great video, thanks for taking the time. I have a 5 band repeater on the way that comes with a single yagi and a panel antennas. Should I mount the yagi at a 45° angle? I am not currently at the location where I plan on using it, so don't have any real time information on the bands. The intent is to have a more reliable signal indoors, just phones on Verizon LTE, no standalone hotspots. According to cell mapper, band 13 is the most prominent with the tower about 11km away.
@@ryanmackin8346 thanks for watching and comments! I dont have any experience with repeaters (well since designing a wind powered one for 2G back in the day!) and i'm not convinced by using them tbh.. that said, few things: 1) for better calls setup your router and use wifi calling, rather than relying on phone's antenna (which are very good I might add). 2) Band 13 is 700MHz which is best for coverage but not the best speeds. Here in UK that's being used for 5G not sure about US. 3) cant see the point in having yagi at 45deg, unless your repeater is configured to have 2x ports for main and diverse antennas, in which case have both at +-45deg. 4) Problem using a yagi is that should that prominent cell site of yours go off air (fault perhaps) then you're dead in the water, whereas a more wider beamwidth one might be more suited to pick up 2 sites for backup. 5) I'd probs need to know the repeater model to help with better advice
I buy a 42cm onmi that promises 18dBi even though I know it has lower performance than a log. The reasons are because my LTE modem for indoor or outdoor use has a heavy metal alloy bidirectional antenna attached and is awkward to sit on the outside of my passenger van. With onmi I don't have any higher gain, just the advantage of having an external antenna. compact, light where I can park the car in any position is an advantage. I still need to drive it to test performance in remote areas to prove any gains. For fixing to the roof of the house, unidirectional log is without a doubt better!
Hey Richard really enjoying your videos i got couple of question can you use two 5g router one with sim card to double the signal streight to work togather? The other question is if your router has 4x4 mimo can you use 2x2 mimo x2 to make the 4x4 mimo because the direction antenna come with one port but you get two so would have to get another two to make the 4x4 mimo? hope to hear from you soon.
Hi mate, thanks for the comments, appreciated. To get benefit of 5G you'll want a 4x4 mimo, assuming you live in suburban or urban environment, not rural. Having 2x 2x2mimo antenna i wouldn't suggest 1) it'd cost more and 2) a 4x4 is still 4x antennas in same housing, and having 2 cross polarised antenna with space diversity doesn't make sense. Specifically the directional antenna in this vid.. as a comparison you'd want 4x individual antennas and getting decent performance will need a lot of playing round with, as well as being a bit ugly! I'd either have a 4g router as per vid, or have a 5g router with 4x4 mimo, best setup with high quality cables
Thank you. Really good the comparison with dBi charts and performance you see/expect as a user. I am glad you mentioned the cables. Cable length comparison could be a topic for a video since the loss can be high for the higher frequences. Maybe putting the antenna as far up as possible may not give an advantage unless you get above or obstacles.
Great content cheers. Using MR500 and can lock onto both B1 and B3 or B3,B3 on EE using Mimo external omni, but signal and SNR is poor as in the sticks and aggregation drops regularly and I loose B1, so was wondering to try x2 LPDA, however there are plenty of trees around here. Any advice really welcome.
What I would suggest is: 1) check out cellmapper.net to find best operator, mast and lte band. Best isnt necessarily closest, as you know terrain you are probs best, unless you PM me your town/village 2) check operator with lte band 20 (LTE800) or even LTE700 (band 28). The operators use these for better coverage at expensive of lower capacity. Trees have a massive impact on coverage, done professional investigations number of times. 3) check the antenna specs of your omni that its gain is good at these lower frequencys. 4) have antenna on pole high as can with quality cables. 5) consider a decent quality omni like the poynting omni292 or omni293. I've used these professionally
Hello new here very good video , very informative I've now subscribed I'm sure I will find what I'm looking for but I need a cheap 4g antenna with POE as I hate coax , I would like to use 7cat ethernet , mast is through a tree pine but clean as day in winter. Summer will be a pain but I will get my hedge trimmer and trim a laser like beam through the tree line in due course .
Hi there, thanks for watching. You've certainly got the right ideas. For me at moment I want new install, higher pole with ldr400 down to box of kit which is POE back to house. I also use cat7 from house to my garage/office in different building. But I tell ya, doing the sockets and plugs for a cat7 is a real pita. For you, I'm guessing you do best solution which is antenna and kit at top of pole with POE up to it? You will benefit a lot from that.
Are the LPDA antennas 300mm? Do you think the 500mm ones would offer significant further gain? Also, there appear to be two types of 300mm LPDA; the cheapest advertising operation from 800 Mhz. Do you think these are different from the ones you tested and not suitable for band 28?
Hi there. Yeah I think they are 30mm, have to check though. Not looked at 50mm but suspect it'll have narrower vertical and horizontal beamwidth. Remember its not all about antenna gain. Antenna height, environmental (rural etc), cable quality etc. One negative can be reliance on a single cell site, which if it went out of service means your gone until it returns. As for band 28, I only know of 3UK that uses it for 4G. I wouldn't want to use outside 800-2600. Easiest way is to check (if you can find them) the tech docs and see what vswr is says for 700. Any value > 2 forget it.
Hi. A van is an interesting one as it'd guess it's got to be small, not too obvious. Not done one but can look into it. What price range? I would add it entirely depends on what you're trying to achieve. Do you use the van all over the place and need extra signal in low coverage specifically? Maybe just increase speed, on the move or just when stationary? The solution to your needs drives (pun not intended) what antennas you want
i have a directional 4g wifi rooter its got 2 small aerials on there wich keep breaking so thinking about adding external antenna but i find with small antennas the 4g signal moves every day i have to point the thing in a different direction so thats no good if i get a arial on the roof i cant go outside climb a ladder to point the thing in a different direction every day..
Few questions: what's the router? Where is it located within your property at moment? If indoors then I'd expect your problem if on ground floor, indoors, not close to a window, and with poor general coverage. With external antenna you get advantages, but we'll need to get some info first. You dont need to put on a roof in most circumstances
@@Phone_Geek its a Tp-Link MR6400 LTE 4G 2.4 ghz.. I keep it by window, i use mobile phone app (open signal) tells me where to pointwhat's the brand of those bat shaped antennas your using? I'm UK based so would like to buy from UK not china but if need to i would do, have you got a link for them?
Open signal is terrible, but you have the right idea. Doing a vid on all this at mo.. but check cellmapper.com for mast location and compare with cell data on netmonitor lite if you have Android. The antennas are generic tons people sell on ebay. Use search term 3G 4G Mobile Signal Amplifier Enhanced Receive Logarithmic Antenna 698-2700MHz
An engineering handset is one with additional firmware/different sdk that allows radio engineers to survey networks and evaluate logs etc. You can also unlock samsung phones to display everything. Not got round to doing that on old phone. Invalidates warranty of course
Thanks for the informative video, would you compare these antenna with the poynting version price/quality, the difficulty of installation isn't an issue.
Hi there, thanks for watching! I did a short vid comparing poynting vs lpda. Over all similar performance, except I later found a different azimuth improved results. Personally I'd still have the poynting due to build quality, guarantees etc. They also have new products like the 5G versions and 4x4 mimo soon
Hi, Very infomative, liked this. I know very little about antenna but trying to learn!. If I used 2 directionals in the usual 45 degree MiMo type set up, but feed the 2 antenna outputs into a splitter (being used in reverse) and used the single (normally input port) of the splitter as a single cable to the single input port of a mobile phone booster, do you think would there be any gain benefit over using just one antenna only - or am just I being really dumb??
Hi there, thanks for watching! Personally I dont like boosters, I think they're more hassle than get results, apart from 2G ones back in the day. Few things to comment on. Firstly I found in my vid on cables that mimo improved speeds by 15%, so one could take it that lack of mimo might reduce speeds by similar amount. Secondly, the cable type is of super importance. Poor quality one could be greater than the 3dB loss from the splitter/combiner. Thirdly getting the direction correct will improve speeds loads too. So, overall I'd be tempted to go with single antenna, high quality cable (or ideally booster within 1m of it) and ensure best direction. Another solution.. if its for home mobile coverage, do the setup as a mobile broadband wifi and use VoIP, whch operators support
@@Phone_Geek Thanks for all the suggestions. I was going to start on a single and something like LMR 200 or 400 series cable for the reasons you explained in the vid. So from your comments, sounds as though I'm starting in off in roughly the right sort of place. Thanks again
Thanks very much! Well I did 2 tests. I have a test engineering handset, albeit an old Samsung s3. That has an easily accessible external antenna port. So just the right connector needed. Other tests were just the router itself
Hi Richard I'm curious to know what you would use with my circumstances. Currently use ee on mobile phone upwards of 50down. No dropouts. However with my mikrotik sxt directional I have low speeds and drop outs. My house is at the bottom of the hill where the 4g mast is located and have tree's. Would an omnidirectional be better as it has a wider field it looks for.? I have no line of sight to the mast.. Thanks in advance.
Hmm OK let me look further. But need some info first. That antenna is designed more for higher frequencys whereas lower freq performance is poor. More rural areas use LTE800 or LTE700, so the antenna gives you not much. To get idea of what performance is, download netmonitor lite (if you have Android phone) and let me know the rsrq, snr and eNodeb ID. Worth moving direction of device to get best value of snr. Good will be say 5+, bad will be less than 1. Better snr means faster speeds
@@Phone_Geek thanks for the quick reply. I'll check this when I get home. It's very frustrating especially when the mast is under 500m away and it's a rather high hill and I'm at the bottom.
Thanks , I’ve found your videos more informative to my need. So thank you very much. With your reviews and others on you tube it has help me make an informed decision. I’m looking at the Poynting antenna and the Teltonika RUTX50. I am currently looking for a reliable retailer to purchase these items. The 5G Router has dropped in price considerably since your review. Please reach out if you have any advice on any other suitable products or retailers to contact . Thanks again Ian
@bigeein thanks for the comments! you can buy antennas from poynting directly as I did. They also have deals or contacts with teltonika or did. Solwise and NetXL sell stuff and seem legit. I want to upgrade to a 4x4 mimo router and antenna. Teltonika seem best but more expensive. Worth considering ones with GPS antenna inputs, as synchronisation will be improved depending on your intended use
Hi Richard , thanks again for the information. You are streets ahead with knowledge. I live rural with limited phone signal indoors. Fibre broadband is not an option unfortunately. I’m currently using a 4G router with no external antenna. Which currently provides approx 37mbps. With the router positioned outside approx 53 mbps . I’m confident with an antenna positioned on the chimney with good cable and router this can be improved further to 5G reception and perhaps 60- 80 mbps. The end game is more sturdy wifi for the home. If only I could improve the phone signal indoors. However I will settle for a stronger stable system. I’ll check out the companies you have mentioned. Thank you so much for the advice , videos and support.
Hi need some advice on how to improve on my dia three signal. Locked on to band 20 when I get closer to mast jumps to band one so looking to improve signal and get into some of the band 1. Getting 10mps typical at mo and when move close to mast getting about 90 maps so think an antenna is way to go.
Assume you are using a modem not a phone? Well the issue is the access layer for carrier aggregation. CA is where you use multiple frequency at same time to maximise speed. Now I think that 3UK will use band 20 as the access layer as that provides better coverage. Access layer being the one the phone or modem is instructed to camp onto as default. Then, if the radio conditions and capacity allow it, you'll get band 1 or 3 assigned/added. So at face value I'd say you have dodgy coverage. My advice is check local masts on cellmapper, and consider directional antenna
Hi Richard, Great video Thanks! Can you offer some advice? I'm connected to my closest (300m) cell tower which uses Band 1 (2100) and Band 20 (800), but my 4G modem is on the wrong side of the house using its built-in antenna. Obviously i want an external antenna, so the Log Periodic antennas would be great. In my situation would there be much to be gained (pardon the pun) by having two antennas cross polarised like you have? I guess i'm not really understanding what the "diversity" setup adds? Can you explain a bit? Thanks from Cheshire :-)
hi there thanks for watching! Firstly, diversity. at these freq we suffer from lots of multipath - that is, not only (if lucky) a line-of-site to a local site, but relections/refractions of building, cars, trucks. So at your antenna you get multiple 'copies' of the same signal, with different amplitudes, polarisations and phases. you can have signal at one antenna vastly different from another 30cm away. thats why we have diversity (mimo), which allows for that. originally 'space' diversity where 2x antenna were some distance apart, but later on polarisation diversity, where the 2x antennas are at 45deg to each other. 45deg because originally mobile handsets are held at 45deg. The +-45deg are usually in the same physical antenna housing, so getting good performance for something not so ugly. The log periodics here a single antenna hence need another to get the diversity. Ive found in a suburban environment with no direct line of sight that the diversity increased speeds by 15%. When you say "wrong side of house" what do you mean by that? as in the site is located 'the other way'? Lots solutions here. All depends. Have you done a survey using something like netmonitor?
@@Phone_Geek Thanks for the reply and explanation - makes sense! Yes the modem is located on the side of the house furthest away from the cell tower. I'm going to experiment and get a couple of those antennas high up outside and some decent coax. Thanks and I'll have a look at Netmonitor too.
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@bewolf4u hi there. Personally I would never use boosters for 4G. I dont know which one you have, but i suspect it is increasing the interference (as well as signa and might not have sufficient dynamic range and filtering. Can't totally understand what you mean, hope this helps.
Hi, just to clarify. Did you only connect the one logarithmic antenna and to get the 15 dbi gain, or did you connect both? Also, is the connector on the antenna SMA male? Thank you
hi. I'm just wondering have you tried to combine those 2 antennas what will happen to the signal? and can you do a speed test as well? I've tried to search for a video on this however there is none.
Hi there thanks for watching. Do you mean one of the log periodic feeds into 1 of the router ports and the omni feeds into the other port? Wouldn't recommend it, but no problem to do it if you want...
@@Phone_Geekhi yes if you could make a video that would be great, it will save me some money. because I already have a mimo antenna, 28dbi gain which works perfectly and I'm planning to buy another one. my worries is that if this will not work I will be wasting money. thank you so much.
and one more thing, can you mix and match the wirings or connections since there will be 2 wires from the Omni and 2 wires from the xpol2 , I'm using a TP-link router MR200
Hi there, thanks for that! The 2 is because of MIMO - Multiple Input Multiple Output. It's a method of accounting for and benefitting from 'multpath' radio propagation effects. Cellular networks used this since 2G. Since late 90s we've used 2 or more antennas at 45deg to each other, so called polarisation diversity. The poynting I reviewed have these 2 within same housing, so have 2 cables. The reason you have 2 ports on your router is to supply it with these 2 antennas. You don't have to, using 1 is fine. But, from my latest vid, you can see Internet speeds are 20% better with 2 antennas 2x2 mimo as its called
@@Phone_Geek actually i just this week sold the other one you showed on the vídeo exactly because of the Trash it was. 10m before i started to see this vídeo i bought a nedis 5g antena just like that. If i can get any Faster than normal then ill order another one. Thanks for all take care
@@Phone_Geek i have bought 2 directional with 4m sma cable on each one and i have to buy an extension for each one, whats the max lenght i should worry? thanks
@@Kr6zYb33 what's more important is the loss introduced by the cable. Longer the cable the better type required. See my vid on that. 5m should be OK using rg58 or similar, but 10m gotta be lmr400 or similar.
Hi Ralph thanks for watching? 2 cables for mimo (Multiple Input Multiple Output), which is a way of improving speeds by taking advantage of multi-path radio propagation effects. All normal mobile routers have 2 antenna ports for same reason. As for Directional? well I assume you mean the 3dB beamwidth compared to the omni? well actually pretty good, similar to the Poynting. These are for the cellular antennas NOT the wifi antennas
Hi there, I got it off ebay there are loads of sellers on there. No model number sorry, just search for "logarithmic antenna 698-2700mhz" or something like that. Id guess most of those sellers get them cheaper from our friends over the water and from alibaba anyways...
@@Phone_Geek Hi! I found the antenna you mentioned on eBay, it says 'N female connector' my hotspot uses two SMA connectors, it means I need two antennas? I haven't found a 'N female connector to (02) SMA connectors' adapter.
@@romano57852 antenna for mimo your router should have 2 connectors. You can buy extension cables with n-type one end sma the other. My connector is this one: www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B078HVLCQK/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_glt_i_XN8PPTMC741APSQ0NRQ7?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
No unfortunately not, they are for use with mobile broadband routers. In theory could could use them with mobiles as I've done in vids but no phone has antenna ports now
Hi there! There are tons of them on ebay, so probs all made in same factory. Just search for something like 698-2700mhz log periodic, or 3g/4g antenna. I got mine from a seller called greenlive12. Both for £32
@@Phone_Geek Thanks, I don't know if this is to do with Brexit or Covid but there seems to be lack of this stuff on ebay. Can't find a UK seller at anything near that price
Mike, you are right! The ones on ebay are now 40-60 for a single one, must be a supply chain issue from China. This is best similar one but obviously can't comment on performance www.wifi-antennas.co.uk/11dbi-gsm-4g-log-periodic-penta-band-antenna-n-type
Hi there! They seem generic ones. I just searched ebay for "698-2700mhz log periodic" or something like that. Tons of sellers all the same, similar price range.
I was thinking how hard it would be to get into the dome of the antenna? Personally I am not for having joints in feed lines/cables, certainly out side.
Hi there, although i do a bit of trading and crypto, I've not heard of Helium. A 5min Google suggests it runs off a type of LoRa. While I have some professional technical expertise in IoT technologies, its hard for me to comment without more research. IoTs either work in cellular bands, or 868 MHz narrow band. The log periodic will work in all these, but I'd rather not give advice until i research more. Which I will... any decent info sources?
Hi there thanks for watching and commenting! Yes thats right. These antenna are single port, and the tplink mr600 router, like all I know of, have 2x antenna ports. So 2 only these log antenna are used. Oh let me be clear.. 1 antenna connector to 1 router connector, NOT both antenna to both ports. Hope that helps
Good point actually, I never gave any values or references! So thanks! But I looked around for suitable antenna originally for a while that ended up being $170ish. Then I decided to see what you could get on ebay with general search. Loads of same stuff costing $40ish. So, cheap i took as being $40, expensive relative to that was my $170 one. There are ones around similar specs up to $300 I think.
@@Phone_Geek I've seen several closer to $600 for single room or office. If you lived in bumbfudge Egypt, I'm sure it would be worth it or if you traveled a lot in an RV where signal could be spotty, again, $600 would not be bad, but my mother getting crappy reception in her house, but perfect reception a mile down the road, there should be a cheaper alternative to give your reception a lil boostie! LOL thanks on behalf of people smarter than me for diving deep into all the technical stuff. I've got a M.S. in Mathematics, you'd think I'd be more inclined to knowing this stuff, but as a woman in her late 50s, my grandkids are a lot more fun than learning the ins and out of cellular technology!!😃❤🧡💛
@@MimiDidi121 unfortunately that's the way the radio signals are for cellular, huge drop when going indoors. Best staying near the windows on on higher floor. The actual solution, if no other company has signal, is what I have. That is a cellular broadband router, like the 'tplink mr600' and swap the ones that come with it for a separate antenna incl the cable that goes on window or outside wall. Then have the phone connect to that routers WiFi.
I'm LOLing, I don't understand once single comment! It's like Greek! My mom has very little T-Mobile signal inside. I was investigating signal boosters. I know zero about the technical stuff. I was hoping there was a small USB antenna she could plug into her phone when she wanted to surf the net. She's only 1/8 of a mile from a major highway and less than 10 miles from a fairly significant town. 17,000, but larger in our standards. 17 miles east of us there's a 4 city metroplex that's probably 300,000 population so we have they typical things larger cities have, but I'm in Arkansas, we have zero large cities! Little Rock is only about half a mil and it's by far our largest city and nearly 4hrs away from us, but Tulsa is about 80 mins and over a million...so we're not totally living in the dark ages! Hehe.
Little rock no way! I went to work in US from here in England about 10yrs ago and little rock was where I was going to, until the bosses changed it to Rayleigh NC! Working on cell phone technical stuff for verizon....anyways seriously though, ignore signal boosters, they are total rubbish and won't improve a thing. Seriously don't waste your money. There are no usb antennas for phones, unless you have an old one from 2003 ish. My advice would be to check the best cell phone operator by going on cellmapper.com that shows location of all masts. See if the closest one is tmobile, if not then change.
70dbi wow your on a diff planet , no antenna made comes near 70dbi , show me an example plz of such an antenna ? Trust me as I'm an RF engineer and build many diff types of hf antennas and over the 4g and 5g spectrum . This antenna is garbage with its inflated ratings very common in the business especially dB vs dbi . Cable quality pure junk so extreme losses and poor vswr .
@suzanneBloem-qk9qn hi, I take your point. My intentions are to explain and provide some evidence of the reported benefits, so that people don't buy stuff that doesn't give them results purported. It's often easy to accept the views of those with millions of subscribers that don't actually have the technical know-how. If youve watched it, what were your reasons? I'd like to know so can review the 'style' of videos
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This level of detail is simply astonishing ! I really want to see the comparison betwen this lpda antenna and your usual one.
Cheers!
This is an EPIC video, thanks for the extremely detailed info. I feel like I just learned more about antennas and gain than I even knew I didn't know!
Hey Edward!
Like how much on average does signal loss occur per feet with that low quality cable comes with omnidirectional antenna you've tried?
Thanks in advance.
The omni couldn't perform well coz based on the photo in 10:10 it was mount beside a wall which is not really good. It needs to be open in all directions.
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Would it be worth your time to rebuild the omni with better cable and cleaning up the horrible assembly and hand cut reflectors? I was especially interested in the fact that when Andrew MacNeil removed the reflectors it improved the gain in the 850 MHz range as that is the band I'm going for.
Hi thanks for watching! Yeah I did think about it as I watch Andrew's channel. But my channel is more orientated towards reviews and info for general consumer rather than those technically competent to do that work. But yeah I did wonder considering the impact the cable has.
Hi Richard, Very good comparison and useful information. I assume your tests were done with all 3 antennas in the same physical location. In practice an external antenna will be mounted externally where it will naturally perform better than an internal one. Also directional antennas will always perform better if pointed towards the transmitter and significantly worse if not.
In my situation I am using a 4g router inside a steel Narrowboat which is effectively a Faraday cage. An external antenna mounted on the roof on a small mast is bound to give far superior signal than the rabbit ears inside. Also a directional antenna is totally unsuitable in this case as the cell tower location is never the same and mostly unknown so an omnidirectional is a must. The junk cables can easily be shortened to a few inches and then replaced with better quality to minimise losses but even a 6dbi loss from it being mounted externally results in a significant gain over the internals. At the end of the day it's horses for courses and the fact that it's being mounted externally needs to be considered, especially if living in a modern home will foil lined walls.
Yes all antennas always in same place. Lot of multipath and no direct line of sight, so shows benefit of mimo a lot. Totally right about need for omni on a narrowboat, high gain colinear might help. On other hand, www.cellmapper.net shows mast locations so a directional could come in handy on the odd occasion. And yeah typical in-building penetration losses are what kills signal particularly at higher frequency bands. Just make sure your antenna provides good gain at 800mhz, as this is the band used by operators in rural locations
Interesting test, especially using the Samsung with external antennas, never have seen this on LTE. 5dB SNR seem like a good improvement for the LPDA.
Hi Richard, many thanks and thumbs up for a decent video (complete with slow-mo).
I need an omnidirectional antenna to move the 4g reception out of a constantly rotating metal box of a Tower Crane cab and into the open air. Currently using a TP link tl6400 4g router. I'm looking for a fairly cheap option as I believe just taking it out of the metal box will have significant improvements anyway. Currently looking at Amazon to provide a solution. Any help would be appreciated.
Hi Rupert, do you mean like one of the building cranes at quite a height? If so 3 things. 1. Yes taking outside of the metal box of a cab will definitely help. 2) how high is your router now, I'd think you get great signal anyway... however 3) being at height will massively increase the interference, and while signal will be high, the rf noise will destroy your speed. Let us know bit more about crane, location generally. As for antenna, let us know above first, as situation drives antenna choice
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Cool test setup, what app are you using for the phone and how to connect an external antenna, this would be really handy
Hi, the phone is a Samsung s3 with engineering firmware edited for use with ascom tems (surveying tool). It was one of latest phones which had hidden antenna ports inside.. just had to drill a hole through and have correct cable. I dont know of more recent phone with accessible antenna ports unfortunately. There are decent apps around to measure signal, the non expert one being netmonitor lite. Doing a vid on them at mo.
@@Phone_Geek thanks for the update, appreciated. Cant seem to find Net Monitor Lite on Google Play. I'm using a combination of Network Cell Info Lite, Network Signal Info & Cell Mapper.
Trouble is no external antenna to test different scenarios, and lack of band control.
Look forward to the vid 💪👍
thanks for the great content and well-detailed video, I just have one question regarding the directional antenna, why it was installed at a diagonal angle, and have you used 2 directional antennas while testing or one was good enough to get the shared results in the video?
Thanks for watching and appreciate your comment 👍 the diagonal is +/- 45deg. This is called cross polarisation diversity. Diversity is where you use multiple antenna to take account of/reduce/benefit from multipath propagation effects. This diversity used to be 'space diversity' where 2x antenna separated about 1m apart. For various reasons since late 90s it was changed because people hold phone to face not vertically but at an angle, so to get best rf results the antenna got changed in industry to 45deg. Distance between the 2 antennas is related to wavelength.. strictly speaking mine is optimised for LTE 1800. Ideally those diagonal antenna are 'across each other' and in same housing as you see the poynting. All my tests use the best setup I can get, which will always use 2 antennas, as the routers have 2 ports
@@Phone_Geek thank you for your well-detailed reply, I see that you have an appetite to explain things and their history to put them into context and that is a practice good teachers do
Thanks a lot
Great video, thanks for taking the time. I have a 5 band repeater on the way that comes with a single yagi and a panel antennas. Should I mount the yagi at a 45° angle? I am not currently at the location where I plan on using it, so don't have any real time information on the bands. The intent is to have a more reliable signal indoors, just phones on Verizon LTE, no standalone hotspots. According to cell mapper, band 13 is the most prominent with the tower about 11km away.
@@ryanmackin8346 thanks for watching and comments! I dont have any experience with repeaters (well since designing a wind powered one for 2G back in the day!) and i'm not convinced by using them tbh.. that said, few things: 1) for better calls setup your router and use wifi calling, rather than relying on phone's antenna (which are very good I might add). 2) Band 13 is 700MHz which is best for coverage but not the best speeds. Here in UK that's being used for 5G not sure about US. 3) cant see the point in having yagi at 45deg, unless your repeater is configured to have 2x ports for main and diverse antennas, in which case have both at +-45deg. 4) Problem using a yagi is that should that prominent cell site of yours go off air (fault perhaps) then you're dead in the water, whereas a more wider beamwidth one might be more suited to pick up 2 sites for backup. 5) I'd probs need to know the repeater model to help with better advice
I buy a 42cm onmi that promises 18dBi even though I know it has lower performance than a log. The reasons are because my LTE modem for indoor or outdoor use has a heavy metal alloy bidirectional antenna attached and is awkward to sit on the outside of my passenger van. With onmi I don't have any higher gain, just the advantage of having an external antenna. compact, light where I can park the car in any position is an advantage. I still need to drive it to test performance in remote areas to prove any gains. For fixing to the roof of the house, unidirectional log is without a doubt better!
Very informative and quite comprehensive review, thank you.
Hey Richard really enjoying your videos i got couple of question can you use two 5g router one with sim card to double the signal streight to work togather? The other question is if your router has 4x4 mimo can you use 2x2 mimo x2 to make the 4x4 mimo because the direction antenna come with one port but you get two so would have to get another two to make the 4x4 mimo? hope to hear from you soon.
Hi mate, thanks for the comments, appreciated. To get benefit of 5G you'll want a 4x4 mimo, assuming you live in suburban or urban environment, not rural. Having 2x 2x2mimo antenna i wouldn't suggest 1) it'd cost more and 2) a 4x4 is still 4x antennas in same housing, and having 2 cross polarised antenna with space diversity doesn't make sense. Specifically the directional antenna in this vid.. as a comparison you'd want 4x individual antennas and getting decent performance will need a lot of playing round with, as well as being a bit ugly! I'd either have a 4g router as per vid, or have a 5g router with 4x4 mimo, best setup with high quality cables
Thank you. Really good the comparison with dBi charts and performance you see/expect as a user.
I am glad you mentioned the cables. Cable length comparison could be a topic for a video since the loss can be high for the higher frequences. Maybe putting the antenna as far up as possible may not give an advantage unless you get above or obstacles.
Thanks! I did a video on cable types. I'm hoping to make a full new setup soon
Gr8 video. Had that cheap shit on my campervan. replaced with a poynting and I'll be getting some of those directionals to see what works best for me
16dBi for log periodic? Can't get that even with frequency pinpointed yagi.
Great content cheers. Using MR500 and can lock onto both B1 and B3 or B3,B3 on EE using Mimo external omni, but signal and SNR is poor as in the sticks and aggregation drops regularly and I loose B1, so was wondering to try x2 LPDA, however there are plenty of trees around here.
Any advice really welcome.
What I would suggest is: 1) check out cellmapper.net to find best operator, mast and lte band. Best isnt necessarily closest, as you know terrain you are probs best, unless you PM me your town/village 2) check operator with lte band 20 (LTE800) or even LTE700 (band 28). The operators use these for better coverage at expensive of lower capacity. Trees have a massive impact on coverage, done professional investigations number of times. 3) check the antenna specs of your omni that its gain is good at these lower frequencys. 4) have antenna on pole high as can with quality cables. 5) consider a decent quality omni like the poynting omni292 or omni293. I've used these professionally
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Hello new here very good video , very informative I've now subscribed I'm sure I will find what I'm looking for but I need a cheap 4g antenna with POE as I hate coax , I would like to use 7cat ethernet , mast is through a tree pine but clean as day in winter. Summer will be a pain but I will get my hedge trimmer and trim a laser like beam through the tree line in due course .
Hi there, thanks for watching. You've certainly got the right ideas. For me at moment I want new install, higher pole with ldr400 down to box of kit which is POE back to house. I also use cat7 from house to my garage/office in different building. But I tell ya, doing the sockets and plugs for a cat7 is a real pita. For you, I'm guessing you do best solution which is antenna and kit at top of pole with POE up to it? You will benefit a lot from that.
Are the LPDA antennas 300mm? Do you think the 500mm ones would offer significant further gain?
Also, there appear to be two types of 300mm LPDA; the cheapest advertising operation from 800 Mhz. Do you think these are different from the ones you tested and not suitable for band 28?
Hi there. Yeah I think they are 30mm, have to check though. Not looked at 50mm but suspect it'll have narrower vertical and horizontal beamwidth. Remember its not all about antenna gain. Antenna height, environmental (rural etc), cable quality etc. One negative can be reliance on a single cell site, which if it went out of service means your gone until it returns. As for band 28, I only know of 3UK that uses it for 4G. I wouldn't want to use outside 800-2600. Easiest way is to check (if you can find them) the tech docs and see what vswr is says for 700. Any value > 2 forget it.
Nice video. And love the six monitor array!
Thanks! Glad you liked it. And the monitors! 3 for work, 3 for trading
Have u got a video testing decent omni antennas? In the market to add an antenna to my van, router is ztr mf28D
Hi. A van is an interesting one as it'd guess it's got to be small, not too obvious. Not done one but can look into it. What price range? I would add it entirely depends on what you're trying to achieve. Do you use the van all over the place and need extra signal in low coverage specifically? Maybe just increase speed, on the move or just when stationary? The solution to your needs drives (pun not intended) what antennas you want
i have a directional 4g wifi rooter its got 2 small aerials on there wich keep breaking so thinking about adding external antenna but i find with small antennas the 4g signal moves every day i have to point the thing in a different direction so thats no good if i get a arial on the roof i cant go outside climb a ladder to point the thing in a different direction every day..
Few questions: what's the router? Where is it located within your property at moment? If indoors then I'd expect your problem if on ground floor, indoors, not close to a window, and with poor general coverage. With external antenna you get advantages, but we'll need to get some info first. You dont need to put on a roof in most circumstances
@@Phone_Geek its a Tp-Link MR6400 LTE 4G 2.4 ghz.. I keep it by window, i use mobile phone app (open signal) tells me where to pointwhat's the brand of those bat shaped antennas your using? I'm UK based so would like to buy from UK not china but if need to i would do, have you got a link for them?
Open signal is terrible, but you have the right idea. Doing a vid on all this at mo.. but check cellmapper.com for mast location and compare with cell data on netmonitor lite if you have Android. The antennas are generic tons people sell on ebay. Use search term 3G 4G Mobile Signal Amplifier Enhanced Receive Logarithmic Antenna 698-2700MHz
Thanks for the Guide.
Engineering handset?? PLEASE explain!! I'm probably looking for something like that!!
An engineering handset is one with additional firmware/different sdk that allows radio engineers to survey networks and evaluate logs etc. You can also unlock samsung phones to display everything. Not got round to doing that on old phone. Invalidates warranty of course
Thanks for the informative video, would you compare these antenna with the poynting version price/quality, the difficulty of installation isn't an issue.
Hi there, thanks for watching! I did a short vid comparing poynting vs lpda. Over all similar performance, except I later found a different azimuth improved results. Personally I'd still have the poynting due to build quality, guarantees etc. They also have new products like the 5G versions and 4x4 mimo soon
@@Phone_Geek poynting purchased thanks
Hi, Very infomative, liked this. I know very little about antenna but trying to learn!. If I used 2 directionals in the usual 45 degree MiMo type set up, but feed the 2 antenna outputs into a splitter (being used in reverse) and used the single (normally input port) of the splitter as a single cable to the single input port of a mobile phone booster, do you think would there be any gain benefit over using just one antenna only - or am just I being really dumb??
Hi there, thanks for watching! Personally I dont like boosters, I think they're more hassle than get results, apart from 2G ones back in the day. Few things to comment on. Firstly I found in my vid on cables that mimo improved speeds by 15%, so one could take it that lack of mimo might reduce speeds by similar amount. Secondly, the cable type is of super importance. Poor quality one could be greater than the 3dB loss from the splitter/combiner. Thirdly getting the direction correct will improve speeds loads too. So, overall I'd be tempted to go with single antenna, high quality cable (or ideally booster within 1m of it) and ensure best direction. Another solution.. if its for home mobile coverage, do the setup as a mobile broadband wifi and use VoIP, whch operators support
@@Phone_Geek Thanks for all the suggestions. I was going to start on a single and something like LMR 200 or 400 series cable for the reasons you explained in the vid. So from your comments, sounds as though I'm starting in off in roughly the right sort of place. Thanks again
Very informative. How did you connect the antennas to a Android app to analyse?
Thanks very much! Well I did 2 tests. I have a test engineering handset, albeit an old Samsung s3. That has an easily accessible external antenna port. So just the right connector needed. Other tests were just the router itself
Hi Richard I'm curious to know what you would use with my circumstances. Currently use ee on mobile phone upwards of 50down. No dropouts. However with my mikrotik sxt directional I have low speeds and drop outs. My house is at the bottom of the hill where the 4g mast is located and have tree's. Would an omnidirectional be better as it has a wider field it looks for.? I have no line of sight to the mast..
Thanks in advance.
Hmm OK let me look further. But need some info first. That antenna is designed more for higher frequencys whereas lower freq performance is poor. More rural areas use LTE800 or LTE700, so the antenna gives you not much. To get idea of what performance is, download netmonitor lite (if you have Android phone) and let me know the rsrq, snr and eNodeb ID. Worth moving direction of device to get best value of snr. Good will be say 5+, bad will be less than 1. Better snr means faster speeds
@@Phone_Geek thanks for the quick reply. I'll check this when I get home. It's very frustrating especially when the mast is under 500m away and it's a rather high hill and I'm at the bottom.
Can I have a link to Andrew McNeill’s channel . Thanks
youtube.com/@andrewmcneil?si=DBy9E5NYY1yWPrTn
Thanks , I’ve found your videos more informative to my need. So thank you very much. With your reviews and others on you tube it has help me make an informed decision. I’m looking at the Poynting antenna and the Teltonika RUTX50.
I am currently looking for a reliable retailer to purchase these items. The 5G Router has dropped in price considerably since your review.
Please reach out if you have any advice on any other suitable products or retailers to contact . Thanks again Ian
@bigeein thanks for the comments! you can buy antennas from poynting directly as I did. They also have deals or contacts with teltonika or did. Solwise and NetXL sell stuff and seem legit. I want to upgrade to a 4x4 mimo router and antenna. Teltonika seem best but more expensive. Worth considering ones with GPS antenna inputs, as synchronisation will be improved depending on your intended use
Hi Richard , thanks again for the information. You are streets ahead with knowledge. I live rural with limited phone signal indoors. Fibre broadband is not an option unfortunately. I’m currently using a 4G router with no external antenna. Which currently provides approx 37mbps. With the router positioned outside approx 53 mbps . I’m confident with an antenna positioned on the chimney with good cable and router this can be improved further to 5G reception and perhaps 60- 80 mbps.
The end game is more sturdy wifi for the home. If only I could improve the phone signal indoors. However I will settle for a stronger stable system.
I’ll check out the companies you have mentioned.
Thank you so much for the advice , videos and support.
Name of the product please? ☺️🙏🏻🙏🏻
Hi need some advice on how to improve on my dia three signal. Locked on to band 20 when I get closer to mast jumps to band one so looking to improve signal and get into some of the band 1. Getting 10mps typical at mo and when move close to mast getting about 90 maps so think an antenna is way to go.
Assume you are using a modem not a phone? Well the issue is the access layer for carrier aggregation. CA is where you use multiple frequency at same time to maximise speed. Now I think that 3UK will use band 20 as the access layer as that provides better coverage. Access layer being the one the phone or modem is instructed to camp onto as default. Then, if the radio conditions and capacity allow it, you'll get band 1 or 3 assigned/added. So at face value I'd say you have dodgy coverage. My advice is check local masts on cellmapper, and consider directional antenna
Hi Richard, Great video Thanks! Can you offer some advice? I'm connected to my closest (300m) cell tower which uses Band 1 (2100) and Band 20 (800), but my 4G modem is on the wrong side of the house using its built-in antenna. Obviously i want an external antenna, so the Log Periodic antennas would be great. In my situation would there be much to be gained (pardon the pun) by having two antennas cross polarised like you have? I guess i'm not really understanding what the "diversity" setup adds? Can you explain a bit? Thanks from Cheshire :-)
hi there thanks for watching! Firstly, diversity. at these freq we suffer from lots of multipath - that is, not only (if lucky) a line-of-site to a local site, but relections/refractions of building, cars, trucks. So at your antenna you get multiple 'copies' of the same signal, with different amplitudes, polarisations and phases. you can have signal at one antenna vastly different from another 30cm away. thats why we have diversity (mimo), which allows for that. originally 'space' diversity where 2x antenna were some distance apart, but later on polarisation diversity, where the 2x antennas are at 45deg to each other. 45deg because originally mobile handsets are held at 45deg. The +-45deg are usually in the same physical antenna housing, so getting good performance for something not so ugly. The log periodics here a single antenna hence need another to get the diversity. Ive found in a suburban environment with no direct line of sight that the diversity increased speeds by 15%. When you say "wrong side of house" what do you mean by that? as in the site is located 'the other way'? Lots solutions here. All depends. Have you done a survey using something like netmonitor?
@@Phone_Geek Thanks for the reply and explanation - makes sense! Yes the modem is located on the side of the house furthest away from the cell tower. I'm going to experiment and get a couple of those antennas high up outside and some decent coax. Thanks and I'll have a look at Netmonitor too.
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@bewolf4u hi there. Personally I would never use boosters for 4G. I dont know which one you have, but i suspect it is increasing the interference (as well as signa and might not have sufficient dynamic range and filtering. Can't totally understand what you mean, hope this helps.
Hi, just to clarify. Did you only connect the one logarithmic antenna and to get the 15 dbi gain, or did you connect both? Also, is the connector on the antenna SMA male? Thank you
hi, thanks for watching! yeah for the gain tests I used a single port on the analysis of one of the two lpda antenna. It has a N-type connector
hi. I'm just wondering have you tried to combine those 2 antennas what will happen to the signal? and can you do a speed test as well? I've tried to search for a video on this however there is none.
Hi there thanks for watching. Do you mean one of the log periodic feeds into 1 of the router ports and the omni feeds into the other port? Wouldn't recommend it, but no problem to do it if you want...
@@Phone_Geekhi yes if you could make a video that would be great, it will save me some money. because I already have a mimo antenna, 28dbi gain which works perfectly and I'm planning to buy another one. my worries is that if this will not work I will be wasting money. thank you so much.
and one more thing, can you mix and match the wirings or connections since there will be 2 wires from the Omni and 2 wires from the xpol2 , I'm using a TP-link router MR200
Hi there, extremely informative, why 2 directional antennas? cant i use only one? i have a huawei b310-22s
Hi there, thanks for that! The 2 is because of MIMO - Multiple Input Multiple Output. It's a method of accounting for and benefitting from 'multpath' radio propagation effects. Cellular networks used this since 2G. Since late 90s we've used 2 or more antennas at 45deg to each other, so called polarisation diversity. The poynting I reviewed have these 2 within same housing, so have 2 cables. The reason you have 2 ports on your router is to supply it with these 2 antennas. You don't have to, using 1 is fine. But, from my latest vid, you can see Internet speeds are 20% better with 2 antennas 2x2 mimo as its called
@@Phone_Geek actually i just this week sold the other one you showed on the vídeo exactly because of the Trash it was. 10m before i started to see this vídeo i bought a nedis 5g antena just like that. If i can get any Faster than normal then ill order another one. Thanks for all take care
@@Phone_Geek i have bought 2 directional with 4m sma cable on each one and i have to buy an extension for each one, whats the max lenght i should worry? thanks
@@Kr6zYb33 what's more important is the loss introduced by the cable. Longer the cable the better type required. See my vid on that. 5m should be OK using rg58 or similar, but 10m gotta be lmr400 or similar.
Why are there 2 cables coming out? How directional are the long periodics and what is the performance of either on the 2.4G wifi band? Cheers
Hi Ralph thanks for watching? 2 cables for mimo (Multiple Input Multiple Output), which is a way of improving speeds by taking advantage of multi-path radio propagation effects. All normal mobile routers have 2 antenna ports for same reason. As for Directional? well I assume you mean the 3dB beamwidth compared to the omni? well actually pretty good, similar to the Poynting. These are for the cellular antennas NOT the wifi antennas
Hi there - can you please advise the exact make/model of the log periodic antenna's tested, and possibly where you procured them. Thanks.
Hi there, I got it off ebay there are loads of sellers on there. No model number sorry, just search for "logarithmic antenna 698-2700mhz" or something like that. Id guess most of those sellers get them cheaper from our friends over the water and from alibaba anyways...
@@Phone_Geek Hi! I found the antenna you mentioned on eBay, it says 'N female connector' my hotspot uses two SMA connectors, it means I need two antennas? I haven't found a 'N female connector to (02) SMA connectors' adapter.
@@romano57852 antenna for mimo your router should have 2 connectors. You can buy extension cables with n-type one end sma the other. My connector is this one: www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B078HVLCQK/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_glt_i_XN8PPTMC741APSQ0NRQ7?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
Do these work for improving the signal on my mobile phone?
No unfortunately not, they are for use with mobile broadband routers. In theory could could use them with mobiles as I've done in vids but no phone has antenna ports now
Love ur vids pal
Straight down to earth
Cheers, appreciate that!
Yer very welcome no one gives real reviews I'm really rural and I'm going to try contribute
Do you have a link to the lpda antenna? and was it £32 for both?
Hi there! There are tons of them on ebay, so probs all made in same factory. Just search for something like 698-2700mhz log periodic, or 3g/4g antenna. I got mine from a seller called greenlive12. Both for £32
@@Phone_Geek Thanks, I don't know if this is to do with Brexit or Covid but there seems to be lack of this stuff on ebay. Can't find a UK seller at anything near that price
@@MikeHudsontek let me take a look I'll post a link if I find one
Mike, you are right! The ones on ebay are now 40-60 for a single one, must be a supply chain issue from China. This is best similar one but obviously can't comment on performance www.wifi-antennas.co.uk/11dbi-gsm-4g-log-periodic-penta-band-antenna-n-type
Very informative and detailed, thank you!
Thanks for watching, glad it helps
Awesome content. I had purchased one of the round o0mnidirectionla antenna and set it back. It was awful!!!!
Thanks very much, appreciated! Just received a bluespot antenna to review, so we'll see how well it performs
Hi there, do you have the sellers info/link for the log's? Thanks Jake
Hi there! They seem generic ones. I just searched ebay for "698-2700mhz log periodic" or something like that. Tons of sellers all the same, similar price range.
Just checked my history.. mine were from a seller "greenlive12"
@@Phone_Geek Thank you.
I was thinking how hard it would be to get into the dome of the antenna? Personally I am not for having joints in feed lines/cables, certainly out side.
@@jakedillingham ive not tried it, but check out andrew mcneil's channel, he did, just melting the glue.
Hi, can you use this antennas for helium miner
Hi there, although i do a bit of trading and crypto, I've not heard of Helium. A 5min Google suggests it runs off a type of LoRa. While I have some professional technical expertise in IoT technologies, its hard for me to comment without more research. IoTs either work in cellular bands, or 868 MHz narrow band. The log periodic will work in all these, but I'd rather not give advice until i research more. Which I will... any decent info sources?
So, ordered by miner! I recommend high gain omni. 8-9dbi. And don't listen to those saying not to use high gain at height
nice epic test
Cheers!
Hi do you connect both log antenna to each of router sma connector?
Hi there thanks for watching and commenting! Yes thats right. These antenna are single port, and the tplink mr600 router, like all I know of, have 2x antenna ports. So 2 only these log antenna are used. Oh let me be clear.. 1 antenna connector to 1 router connector, NOT both antenna to both ports. Hope that helps
Thank you.
What's your definition of cheap? $200? Expensive, $800ish?
Good point actually, I never gave any values or references! So thanks! But I looked around for suitable antenna originally for a while that ended up being $170ish. Then I decided to see what you could get on ebay with general search. Loads of same stuff costing $40ish. So, cheap i took as being $40, expensive relative to that was my $170 one. There are ones around similar specs up to $300 I think.
@@Phone_Geek I've seen several closer to $600 for single room or office. If you lived in bumbfudge Egypt, I'm sure it would be worth it or if you traveled a lot in an RV where signal could be spotty, again, $600 would not be bad, but my mother getting crappy reception in her house, but perfect reception a mile down the road, there should be a cheaper alternative to give your reception a lil boostie! LOL thanks on behalf of people smarter than me for diving deep into all the technical stuff. I've got a M.S. in Mathematics, you'd think I'd be more inclined to knowing this stuff, but as a woman in her late 50s, my grandkids are a lot more fun than learning the ins and out of cellular technology!!😃❤🧡💛
@@MimiDidi121 unfortunately that's the way the radio signals are for cellular, huge drop when going indoors. Best staying near the windows on on higher floor. The actual solution, if no other company has signal, is what I have. That is a cellular broadband router, like the 'tplink mr600' and swap the ones that come with it for a separate antenna incl the cable that goes on window or outside wall. Then have the phone connect to that routers WiFi.
I'm LOLing, I don't understand once single comment! It's like Greek! My mom has very little T-Mobile signal inside. I was investigating signal boosters. I know zero about the technical stuff. I was hoping there was a small USB antenna she could plug into her phone when she wanted to surf the net. She's only 1/8 of a mile from a major highway and less than 10 miles from a fairly significant town. 17,000, but larger in our standards. 17 miles east of us there's a 4 city metroplex that's probably 300,000 population so we have they typical things larger cities have, but I'm in Arkansas, we have zero large cities! Little Rock is only about half a mil and it's by far our largest city and nearly 4hrs away from us, but Tulsa is about 80 mins and over a million...so we're not totally living in the dark ages! Hehe.
Little rock no way! I went to work in US from here in England about 10yrs ago and little rock was where I was going to, until the bosses changed it to Rayleigh NC! Working on cell phone technical stuff for verizon....anyways seriously though, ignore signal boosters, they are total rubbish and won't improve a thing. Seriously don't waste your money. There are no usb antennas for phones, unless you have an old one from 2003 ish. My advice would be to check the best cell phone operator by going on cellmapper.com that shows location of all masts. See if the closest one is tmobile, if not then change.
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This tells you that you get what you pay for .we'll presented video. Thanks
Thanks mate, appreciate that.
Garbage omnidirectional antenna. So before marketing think twice, it must be minimum 70 dBi.
70dbi wow your on a diff planet , no antenna made comes near 70dbi , show me an example plz of such an antenna ? Trust me as I'm an RF engineer and build many diff types of hf antennas and over the 4g and 5g spectrum . This antenna is garbage with its inflated ratings very common in the business especially dB vs dbi . Cable quality pure junk so extreme losses and poor vswr .
Way to much talking about things that 99% of the people don't understand. Testing stuff should be explained easy.
@suzanneBloem-qk9qn hi, I take your point. My intentions are to explain and provide some evidence of the reported benefits, so that people don't buy stuff that doesn't give them results purported. It's often easy to accept the views of those with millions of subscribers that don't actually have the technical know-how. If youve watched it, what were your reasons? I'd like to know so can review the 'style' of videos
Rooter ... LOL
mr do u have email?