Review, buy, unbox and set-up of the Poynting 4G MIMO Antenna
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- In this video we present the current problem with 4G connections, and demonstrate a way to see how bad your signal really is.
We also highlight the steps to buy the antenna from our website, unbox the antenna and demonstrate the antenna in action.
The antenna used in the particular video can be found at rfshop.com.au/...
So hands down, this is one of the best and detailed explanation videos I've ever seen. And really likeable. Thanks a lot for sharing with us. Thumbs up.
Thank you
Just watched this video and at last I understand. It’s been a minefield for me up until now. Many thanks
Thanks 😊👍🏻
This antenna is awesome!! :) I went from a speed of 5-7mbps and 80-100 Ms ping, to having 60-85 Mbps and 30-35 Ms ping. (It's 70-75 mbps on average)
The upload speed is 10-15 Mbps btw. (Also quiet fast.)
It's an incredible antenna indeed. Funny enough, I watch back on that video and see how I did things back then :)
You need to reboot when you settled on a new direction, because it remembers the last direction you done speed test , and that is why you only seen small improvement. Try it and you will sed improvement. Great video by the way.
Agree and understood. Learned a lot since shooting that video !!
Great Video, as an RF tech this is a great informative video to share with the not so technical in the community.
Thank you for your fantastic informative channel! After looking through so many rubbish videos on youtube I finally found you!
Thanks for those kind words!
Thanks for making this excellent video. The results are very good considering this was done indoors and I would expect even better results if the antenna would be installed outside. Also you used WiFi to check the speed, but if you use a LAN cable connected to a PC I would expect even better speed readings.
Hi. Yes, indeed that is one of the lessons I have learned since making this video. To be honest, this was our "game changing" video where I realized what type / style of video I would want to do...so the video (terrible as I now feel it is :)) is very close to my heart as it's "THE ONE" where the penny dropped for me
Excellent, informative video and very well presented 👏👏👏
Thank you :)
Really appreciate you taking the time to do the video here.
It would have been nice to see the figures before you plugged in the antenna.
Also, with regards the fairly poor performance increase by changing direction I guess that might ha e had something to to with the fact you were trying to obtain a directional signal through a fairly solid wall....(no line of sight)
Thanks Gordon. My next mission is indeed to find a remote spot and get a genuine set of results
i have a TP-Link Archer 400 AC1200, but there is no option to set internal or external antenna , do you know if there is anything i can do.
Hi. Looking at the 4G Routers, the specification shows it's two external 4G antenna ports so you should be able to just replace the black antennas with the external antenna
Thank you for making this video! I've just bought one of these antennas thanks to your review. Cheers
Thanks for that!
Hi I just want to know if this would work with Rain network. I am from south Africa
@@sanjivinsmoke6805 yes, it’ll work fine. The antenna is designed to operate in all 4G networks. BTW, the designers are located in Samrand, Jo’Burg...and you probably noticed my accent??
@@RFShop Yes I noticed the accent. I am planning on buying an antenna because there are times when I get speeds of 1 Mps
My another suggestion is to do demonstrate the modem signal strength with different anttena at same location. Especially yagi antenna. Show the difference between all the antenna. Give information about which antenna is best for the modem for faster connection.
jaison v j , indeed this is a big project. I’m going to go outside and start to validate different antennas and setups in a place where the reception is very bad.
Great idea I only have 2 bar sometimes one were I am am keen in getting antenna
We did an attempted video shoot and test yesterday in Hallett Cove again. I had trouble getting a good connection, more so because the wind was blowing my equipment all over the place, so that was not a great experience. It's a bit back to the drawing board as far as a demo setup is concerned and I may have to design a test that's indoors.
Perhaps you can tell me what exactly your modem and setup is and I'll design a demo and concept quote to solve that particular problem ?
Hi,if the main tower is 4km away form my House, and if I point the xpol antennae towards the tower, Will a 11dbi gain antenna reach the tower 4km away? Will my signal and speed improve? Thank you
Hi! Yes, the idea with an external antenna is that it will improve the signal. It receives a better version of the outdoor signal, and also overcomes the obstacle of the house and structure causing further delays and trouble
Very good video. But how does it work wit LTE-Advance (or so called LTE+ / 4G+)? where multiple band get combined? The combined State is very different some moment to the other. i Have about 5 LTE Towers near me, but my Router chooses the Towers (and the combination) randomly. How am I supposed to find the best angle?
Hi AM. I do believe that the router still only connects to one sector even if multiple bands are used. So the antenna characteristics ( radiation pattern and frequency bandwidth ) will be perfectly valid and relevant.
I would go for the strongest tower and point towards that sector. It does limit the connection to other sectors, but that would only really present a major obstacle when your specific sector is down or under maintenance.
@@RFShop thank you
This was really informative, thank you for making this
Thanks David :)
Hi. Not sure if you're gonna reply but I need to ask...how can I get my antenna to boost my cellphone network? I need network for calls but wouldn't connecting it to my router only boost my internet connection?
Hi Relebogile
Good question. It's true that this setup I demonstrated is only going to help your router. We find that WiFi calling is an amazing additional feature that helps to get a service improved, as the phone often uses the WiFi network to be connected to the internet anyway. So when that happens, and WiFi calling is enabled on the network and the phone...it's possible to make phone calls "as if" it's normal yet it goes through the internet connection.
Another method is to get a booster, but that's a whole different topic of conversation.
@@RFShop thank you so much!!
Great video and great product too by the looks of it, I have a feeling my 1 bar of 4G is about to be a non issue :)
Duxx, it indeed works well. We're still learning a lot about how to make videos on RUclips. If you have any specific comments or questions about your setup please do feel free to contact us
Awesome Video thank for this informative video. Wel gedaan
Dankie Tjaart !!
Can I also put this antenna inside in my attic or does it need to be outside? I currently have 30mbps download which isn't bad but I am paying for 100mbit and would like the full speed. I also have the option to buy the 4G version or the newer 5G version, would it be best to invest in the 5G version now?
Yes, attic has some complexities but if it works there it does make a huge difference for the end-user (by keeping it simple).
The newer 5G model is actually better across all bands, so if you can buy the 5G variant I woukd certain,y do so
@@RFShop thanks for your reply,your videos are very informative. I have 30mbps during the day and 80mbps at night, is this because of congestion? I hope an antenna can fix that, it would be pointed through one pane of glass on the attic.
How is the improvements?
@@rydernigga6264 I didn't go for it, I eventually was able to get a 1gbit fiber line at my house.
Could you tell me if I need to use a Wi-Fi extender for the router if the router is connected to the poynting antenna , to get good MBS numbers
One problem I do have with these routers is their lack of proper WiFi antennas. Often people do need something to improve the WiFi side as well
Interesting and helpful
am I correct in thinking this is a directional antenna and it still works fine (better than omni) with walls in line of sight?
My opinion....yes. Still more gainin that particular direction.
The only reason people don’t like the idea is because the antenna facing the wall is now blantantly obvious so one can “see” the problem. However, using an omni does not result in the wall being less of a problem, because the radio link is still through that same wall.
Would you also get more consistent results if you lock the band the LTE uses, higher frequency bands better normally.
Normally it's a possible assumption, but one would need to be sure for every setup. In RF / wireless world there's always variables between the user and the network that can have an adverse impact, and I would rather not say "yes" or "no". It's possible, but you'll have to test and see for your specific setup.
Curious what the readings would have been in your workshop without using the foil house with and without the external antenna
Probably not too bad. Since this video was shot I started going to places like Rapid Bay to experience the real effect of external antennas.
@@RFShop what I mean is obviously with the foil the router was being hindered so it would have seemed a better idea to test the router at its optimum performance then see any difference using the antenna
@@junkie1128 yes, true. In subsequent videos that’s what I started doing (see the Huawei B818 video for instance)
Hi! what if i dont have them two connector ports on my router? what can i do?
You will inly need to buy a single port antenna. No need to spend the extra money!
Thanks for the good video. Im the end before you changed the position of the antenne you got download at 80 m/bit @21:57 but after you did change the orientation the get better result from the modem values the download speed "only" got 70 m/bit @24:24 and the ping are almost the same.
So i'm bit confused why you change the orientation of the antenne to get better result for modem value and decreased the speed download?
Regards from Denmark.
Hi. Thanks for the comments. It was really to illustrate how it works more than the actual impact. Since having done this video I learned not to do these demonstrations in the workshop. Also quite a problem in that we have a very good signal so adding more complexity. I now test these types of things in really bad locations so I can show a clear improvement in one direction.
Bought one of these antennas. Tested it at night when speeds are highest there was a noticabme difference in download speed. Went to about 60mbps. Max speed was about 38without antenna. During the evening my speeds get quite low so was hoping this antenna wud keep speeds respectable. However with the antenna placed in exact same position as what gave the increase in speed during the middle of the night, I'd did the exact opposite during the evening. The speed with the anenna was around 1yes 1mbps whereas without the antenna it rose to 7. I'm a bit baffled, clearly the antenna has potential to increase my speeds but it also seems to have potential to reduce them dramatically
Hi David. Thanks for your comment. An antenna is like a balloon (see my Yagi video)...to get gain you need to take gain from somewhere else. So by pointing in the wrong direction you would actually reduce performance in that original direction.
@@RFShop OK cool possibly I don't have it pointed correctly I'm just surprised that the antenna increased the speed dramatically at night but is doing the opposite as in reducing the speed even tho antenna hasn't been moved
@@dmdavidjmoloney I think you may want to find the best position during day-time and have that as your direction.
What if 5 meter cable is too short for me?
We often use the XPOL antenna without cable, and then add the cable with exactly the length the customer requires
@@RFShop Thanks for your quick reply.
So where goes the Sim card
In tablet u r using to setup modem
Or inside a modem
What about portable mimo antenna any ideas or links
Hi.
I spend far too much time watching your videos, I love them. I have recently bought the Poynting XPOL-1 V2 5G 3dBi Omni-Directional Cross Polarised LTE 2x2 MIMO Outdoor Antenna to use with my Nighthawk MR2100-100EUS in my caravan here in the UK and Europe. I am very pleased with the performance of the Poynting and I do realise that an Omni is never going to give the same improvement as a directional antenna. However, would there be any realistic improvement in replacing the supplied 5m of RF195 cable I have, with RF240 cable and is it something that can be done at home?
Thanks, Steve P
Hi Steve,
If you can get hold of a decent crimping tool it would be possible to do it at home. Peter at RFShop UK can help with the cables from his UK workshop.
If you are looking for improvement of any sort, that extra few dB's between 195 and 240 will certainly make a difference already.
What's your opinion on 4G dongles and this antenna? Should I be expecting poorer performance using a dongle instead of a CPE Pro router, even if I use this antenna?
Camy252 Camy good question but hard to answer. Generally one would assume that decent equipment would outperform a smaller dongle version of the same chipset. I’m saying that because one would need to sacrifice something in the design to allow for smaller space and inferior thermal and power handling capabilities. However, there’s always the exception to the rule and surprise new developments, so it may not be a perfect answer either. Since you ask my opinion I would say yes, it’s a reasonable assumption. However, I do think a dongle with an external antenna is likely to outperform a CPE Pro router without an external antenna.
@@RFShop thanks for getting back to me. I'm a networking noob but taking it upon myself to learn as much as I can in an effort to get rid of my terrible adsl connection once and for all!
@@camy252camy3. Speaking from personal experience, that's what I ended up doing. It works great. The modems from the network operators are generally really good (perhaps see the latest video we did on the Huawei B818). I also intend to test the Netgear NightHawk M2, available via Telstra. You just need to make sure you have an adequate network signal...which you'll probably know by mobile phone experience already. If you need specific help, feel free to contact us direct via our website.
Poynting Cross Polarised High gain 4G Panel LTE Antenna, 8.3 to 9.3 dBi Gain. I want to buy this one for my B525 IT IS GOOD CAUSE TO BAND as long my sim card 4G LTE?
Indeed
Very Informative video. This is informing my decision. I wish you're here in UK!
Thanks for the feedback. I can try to find the UK resellers of those antennas!
The following companies could potentially assist with these antennas in the UK
Solwise
NetXL
Westbase
Brilliant!
Hi there, I have got Poynting 4G-XPOL-A0002 and am only using one cabel am getting 35mbps down and 40 up, my question is if i have two cables in my Router will i see better speeds ? like seen your page it had help me out lot..
Hi Martin,
Two antennas will improve the link which in turn should improve your speeds. Typically, if your upload is higher than your download there is room for improvement. Without know any detail it is hard to judge, but I would hope to see an improvement in the download speed while maintaining the upload
@@RFShop The reason is found a fault with my router, when i plug in one of the 4g cables in the left aerial connection it's not working properly I have a good 4g signal in my area. I am using one cable on the right hand side of the router which gives my full bars,, i will be getting new router. thanks for your help...
@@UnderwaterGeek007 feel free to send me an email and some photos of the antenna and router. I just want to see and have a think. Do you have access to the internal values RSRP, RSRQ and SINR?
Great video, would you recommend this if I live 3.6miles from the 4G Mast with a clear line of site, currently have the XPOL 1, but fancy buying this to future proof when 5g arrives? Rather have a directional antenna now as I know the signal direction.
Also if the gain is too much would this create more issues and gain more Signal Noise?
Hi Robert,
If you have some success with the XPOL-1, I would certainly think that the XPOL-2 will help to further improve the performance. It's a clean connection, and works better than an omni antenna...in particular where you have clear line of sight and know the direction you need to take
Cheers,
David
@@RFShop thank you very much for your time and reply, I have now brought the new aerial, have initially trailed it and have seen vast improvement especially the Ping time and crazy download speed, therefore will attach outside this weekend pending weather.
Kind Regards
Robert Evan Thomas Jones
Does it have SMA conecters or what do I need to get thanks
Hi Peter. Yes, this particular antenna comes with SMA connectors in this SKU. We offer custom cables and can cut the cables shorter and then terminate with any connector, or we could add further extension cables to any connector as well. Most customers only need the small SMA to TS9 pigtails we have ready-made if the modem is say, Netgear NightHawk or Huawei B818.
Excellent video but perhaps I missed something. Does it not matter which antenna lead goes to which modem terminal?
Hi
Actually, that does not make a difference. The two antennas are orthogonal to each other and that's all that matters
@@RFShop Thanks just about to put one up in sunny northern England!
Good vid boetie very informative
It is helpful during this time. Please provide the link of anttena and modem in the description. I have a doubt in the anttena ports. I think one port is for external anttena to catch signals and other port is for internal wi fi signal from modem.
jaison v j , theose two ports are definitely the two LTE ports. Inside there are two PIFA antennas for WiFi. I’ll add links to the description
@@RFShop ,I am from India is any other link to purchase this product.
what modem do you use?
Hi Whitney. In this demo I used my Huawei B525. Other models might take the same antenna "as is" if they have an SMA connector. Otherwise, it's very likely they may only require a TS9 pigtail from our website (available via the drop-down menu)
New sub here. Thanks for the video. I am using a 4G/LTE connection to the internet in the Texas countryside and currently have a pair of Wilson Yagis connected. The router is mofi4500. I am interested in this XPOL antenna. Does the antenna have any trouble with mounting to a metal tower? I am on a Rohn 25G. The current cables are LMR400 with N-type connectors. I suppose an adapter is required.
Thanks again, mate! Cheers from USA!
Hi Brent!
This antenna comes in a few variants. If you look for the variant with N(F) connectors you can connect your LMR400 straight into the antenna. That would be an awesome setup. I will make a brief video to illustrate the variants.
As far as a metal tower is concerned...no problem at all.
Cheers,
David
I just wish they would come out with higher dB 4xMIMO all-in-one antennas (like the A-XPOL-0001-V2-41 but higher dB), because nowadays CAT-12 and higher modems are becoming the norm with 4 antennas connections (2x Main + 2x Diversity). Sure one could use two 2xMIMO's offset by 45 degree angle, but I keep getting more and more inquiries for one--in-one units for ease of installation.
Did you find any solutions for 4xmimo? What would you suggest these days? I’m trying to determine if using my van as a grounding plate matters as some antennas support this.
@@leblancexplores - Poynting has a 4x4MIMO but it's lower gain compared to using two separate 2x2MIMO antennas offset by a 45 degree angle. It's not as convenient as an all-in-one-box solution, but it works.
In the demonstration you are using the antenna indoors. I know it's an outdoor antenna, but can it be installed inside too?
Yes, most certainly. It’s outdoors because it’s weatherproof rtc. The inside of the antenna does not care where you use it.
@@RFShop It would have been interesting to see how much difference there was if the antenna was placed outside. I have 2 of these in the roof space of my garage (which has cavity block walls). I get a decent signal inside but to mount outside is complicated. However I would consider doing it, if, the benefits were likely to be worthwhile.
@@johnkildea2872 this was indeed early days for me. I’ve done some tests since then using the same antenna..with great results. Although the topic was not just this model, my most recent tests shows it in action in a place called Rapid Bay here in SA
@@RFShop I have since watched a few more of your videos. I think I'll have to try one of these outside once the weather picks up. I'm pretty exposed so don't want to be up ladders when it's windy😄
@@johnkildea2872 no problem. We lived in Limerick for nearly three years...so I can imagine the challenge of standing on a ladder in the wind and rain
Hi there great video, what I was wondering is would this antenna work with my Huawei B535-232 Router because I've tried everything lots of antennas in this price range and it doesn't improve anything just reduces internet speed, I used to get 40mbps download and 20 upload up until December 2020 and then all of a sudden one day totally unusable, now Three told me to go on 3G which is between 4 and 5mbps. My friend sells antennas to boat owners and he seems to think this particular model is very fussy with external antennas, I am in a rural area but only 1-2 miles from the mast site. I have seen one RUclips video of the Poynting Omni-directional, Poynting 4G-XPOL-A0001 Cross Polarised 4G Omni LTE Antenna being used with the B535-232 and on my network with no issues, the antennas I've tried bring the RSRP values etc down considerably with five bars signal strength but on 4G I'm getting 800kbs-1.5mbps, I'm stumped so hopefully you or anyone else could probably help me. I'm on the Three Network in the UK.
Hi Steven,
Tricky one. Only thing I can think of is that you may also need to monitor the SINR and the actual frequency band you get connected to...I did notice that modems tend to switch once I put an external antenna, and that messes the before- and after measurements as it becomes hard to compare apples with apples.
Also, certainly see what the RSRQ and SINR levels are. If there’s a noise source in the neighbourhood it would cause lots of trouble.
Last think...really want to make sure an antenna faces the right direction. If you have a directional antenna...it actually “takes” performance from the other side and will behave much worse towards the sides and rear of the antenna.
If you have photos or images please do feel free to send some to our email address!
Cheers,
David
@@RFShop Thanks for your reply so quickly and for the advice. Do you think I should go with Omni Directional then, I used to have a directional antenna connected but like I said suddenly speeds decreased that much it was unusable. So thought the antenna cables were damaged, bought new Mimo -24dbi gain antenna got replacement router (new) from Three but still the same, I have direct line of sight to mast site only 1-2 miles away.
The router is the 4G+ so with knowing that should your Poynting antennas cover those frequencies as well as 4G?.
I might purchase a Poynting antenna from Amazon so at least they take returns, which would you recommend to start with?.
@@stevensmith277, we are having great success with the XPOL-2 here in Australia. It covers ALL the 4G frequencies plus the upcoming 5G bands. I think the 24dBi antenna might actually be a potential problem. High gain antennas can be easy to “miss” the target. Also, they tend to be narrowband so it might be the wrong antenna for your tower.
I honestly think the XPOL-2 is a good option in your case 😊
Cheers,
David
@@RFShop That's what I was sort of thinking too higher gain. Is the one you recommend the 8.3-9.3 gain, £123 on Amazon UK?
Really appreciate your time.
@@stevensmith277 not sure about the price but that looks like the correct anttena!
i thought this antenna was Omnidirectional?
It's uni-directional. There is one that looks a bit similar which is omni...it's the XPOL-1
Great information! One question: How come the download speed was lower with the antenna?
I had to run with some assumptions. The antennas will make a huge difference in getting the signal stronger, cleaner and more reliable. However, there's a limit where the difference between great and even better doesn't give the network anything more to work with. At that point the network controls the connection performance.
So, when you have a weak signal there is a clear problem, and the network performance reflects this. Adding an antenna will most likely improve the connection so that the weak signal becomes a good signal, and the network performance will likewise improve.
I had the same situation in my test results for the LPDA in my own backyard. I already have a great link to the network. I can demonstrate that the antenna clearly improves the RSRP...however, since my RSRP was already great it did not make a difference to the throughput.
The real proof will be when we do a similar test outside where the original signal is weak and the antenna improves the RSRP into the next quality band.
Sorry...that was a long reply :(
@@RFShop Thank you for your explanation. However, as I read it it explains how to signal gets stronger. But how does it get weaker?
@ Stefan, it gets weaker as you go further away from the source / base station. Also, obstructions will cause lots of trouble, including reflections and diffraction.
Basically, the antenna makes you look much closer to the base station than you physically are.
@@RFShop I guess I am not expressing myself clearly. Before plugging in the antenna the speed was 63.4 / 3.49. The last measure, with the antenna was 52.2 / 6.67. Almost a doubling of the upload speed, which is great, but a drop of about 20 % in the download speed. Why this drop?
@@stefanhansen5882, do you have RSRP, SNR and RSRQ measurements that one can look at? Maybe we can take this conversation further direct on the phone as this appears to be more of a hands-on engineering problem that needs to be resolved
Thanks. Btw you sound like you have a south african accent?
Yes, that might indeed be true :)
I don't do BBQ, I braai
2023 web site changed. Data sheet link no longer there. Also no option of plugs.
Mike, the video is one of our first ever attempts at RUclips. We have indeed changed and made website improvements. This particular product is still available, and very relevant though.
@@RFShop Any chance of still getting the data sheets pdf on the antenna you brought up from the old web site ?
@@mikebloodworth9258 yes, if you look for XPOL-2 on our current website you should be able to find it. Otherwise I can send it to you. Please feel free to email in enquiries@rfshop.com.au
What is the price for this please
Peter, they are A$340 on our website. Please feel free to contact us direct if you want to receive a custom quote and some additional cabling
Does it have SMA CONECTERS GREAT VIDEO
I need at least 8 meters if cable can you pride this instead of 5 metre thanks
If T&Cs allowed, it'd be nice if you could unscrew the casing and show the interior of the antenna, too. That could be of interest to RF enthusiasts as well as help weed out fakes.
I bought an xpol-1-5g recently, have a suspicion it could be a fake (Amazon Uk..), I had a peek inside, but I got nothing to compare it against.
I think in this instance I would prefer to keep the antennas closed in the public domain
Only a engineer would chuckle after saying Ms instead of ms, 13Ms = 150 days
I’ll take that as a compliment 😊
Hi buddy hope your day will work
Hi hi hello hello
👍🏻
That's a South African accent
Indeed...being in Adelaide we went to support the Boks over the past weekend as well
@@RFShop I went to maties and I have just launched a public transport wifi start-up and signal in remote areas for long-distance travel is an issue and I am looking for a solution that's compact and POYNTING Dual Polarised Medium Gain LTE Antenna (4 dbi) seems like a decent solution I want to avoid having the antenna outside the vehicle, this I can mount it on the front windscreen .
Hello, My RSRQ jumps from RSRQ-6.0dB to RSRQ-12.0dB very frequently. What should i do? There is no difference if i use the antenna or if i dont.
Hi Marcus! This is a type of question where we probably need to have a direct phone conversation to understand the whole setup and possible reasons. The easy answer would be someone / something is potentially causing interference. It might be an illegal booster. However, it's almost too simple to just assume that's the case, and I would prefer to study the whole setup. If you are able to relocate the antenna to somewhere else on the roof, or check that alignment is exact that would help. Also check cables and connectors to make sure they are good, and not damaged. Other than that, please feel free to contact me via our website contact details. If we get to the bottom of this I will still report the result on RUclips so more people can see what has happened.