I pretty much agree with everything you said. I mostly enjoyed Jeph Loeb's post-Liefeld era of X-Force, although I found Pollina's art to be somewhat awkward sometimes. (It seems like his figures in some panels were too tall and stretched out or something.) Regardless, much better than most art we get nowadays. It was cool watching Sam's character growth over the years; from his introduction by Claremont as a skinny, shy, awkward teen from the rural coal country, to gradually becoming a man, and a confident leader of X-Force in his own right. It's too bad they just dropped the "Sam is an immortal X-Ternal" idea. Niciezia, Liefeld, and Loeb all seemed to be on-board with it, and they seemed to be taking it somewhere, but it was dropped and forgotten. I'm also with you on the Boom Boom thing -- they should have stayed a couple. I always like Sam's friendship with Roberto too -- they were so different it was fun watching their dynamic. A minor nitpick about how a lot of writers write Sam's dialogue: he's from the Appalachian Mountains in Kentucky, not the deep south. I guess to the untrained ear, they sound like the same accent, but only people from Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, and South Carolina do that drawl thing that cuts off the ends of "er" words to say stuff like "nevah" instead of "never." Mountain accents of Tennessee, Kentucky, and West Virginia don't do that. But it's not a big deal. At least guys like Loeb put effort into getting these characters right -- most writers at Marvel nowadays don't give a crap and can't be bothered to even look into the history of the characters they're writing.
Exactly my friend. I miss when wrtiers would do research before world building or character creation and pay respect/homage to their heritage without it being a in your face preachy thing. That's why I love Dani Moonstar so much. She embraces her roots, but makes sure she embraces all aspects of herself such as a Valkyrie and Co-Leader of the team. I did enjoy Ed Brissons short stint on X-Force, though the art was offputting as well as "Baby Cable" but at least the idea of X-Force was there. Shame he pooped the bed with his chance with New Mutants when Krakoa launched.
@@ChrisMacPresents Yeah, Dani really was a great character. Claremont made all those original New Mutants to be very likable characters; going through their own internal struggles, but ultimately trying to do the right thing, despite their flaws and dark sides. I liked Ed Brisson's X-Force too. It was one of the few X-Books in recent years that I thought was good.
Good review 👍 I don't think this issue makes much sense UNLESS you have read X-Force #43 when Bobby is a full fledged villain (Reignfire) and X-Men Prime when their headquarters is destroyed and the Reignfire issue is addressed. That being said I thoroughly enjoyed this period of X-FORCE. When I think of Jeph Loeb I think of his X-FORCE ( not MCU stuff). Btw if you were irritated by this version of Rictor I don't know what you must think of the....er.. coupling of Rictor and Shatterstar (which made no sense due to their personalities) that came later. I have no problem with same sex relationships but Rictor was straight and Shatterstar doesn't have those type of emotions to fall in love romantically. He understands friendship, loyalty and honour. Anyway. Enough of my rant. Keep up the good work. 👌
I appreciate ya stopping by my friend and checking it out 🤙Rictor, Shatterstar, and Iceman will always be from the early X-Men days. If a character is established as as a same sex character, i.e., Northstar, then it works and is organic. Randomly changing a character with years of mythos that contradicts it, then yeah, it feels forced and blarg. I loved this era of X-Force because all the established characters were growing and moving on. I.e. Sam moving from New Mutants to X-Men. I need to go back through a lot of this to see what eventually happens to Dani, Magma, and Karma. Thank you for filling in the gaps of this arc, adds some much needed context to the review 🖖
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I pretty much agree with everything you said. I mostly enjoyed Jeph Loeb's post-Liefeld era of X-Force, although I found Pollina's art to be somewhat awkward sometimes. (It seems like his figures in some panels were too tall and stretched out or something.) Regardless, much better than most art we get nowadays.
It was cool watching Sam's character growth over the years; from his introduction by Claremont as a skinny, shy, awkward teen from the rural coal country, to gradually becoming a man, and a confident leader of X-Force in his own right. It's too bad they just dropped the "Sam is an immortal X-Ternal" idea. Niciezia, Liefeld, and Loeb all seemed to be on-board with it, and they seemed to be taking it somewhere, but it was dropped and forgotten. I'm also with you on the Boom Boom thing -- they should have stayed a couple. I always like Sam's friendship with Roberto too -- they were so different it was fun watching their dynamic.
A minor nitpick about how a lot of writers write Sam's dialogue: he's from the Appalachian Mountains in Kentucky, not the deep south. I guess to the untrained ear, they sound like the same accent, but only people from Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, and South Carolina do that drawl thing that cuts off the ends of "er" words to say stuff like "nevah" instead of "never." Mountain accents of Tennessee, Kentucky, and West Virginia don't do that. But it's not a big deal. At least guys like Loeb put effort into getting these characters right -- most writers at Marvel nowadays don't give a crap and can't be bothered to even look into the history of the characters they're writing.
Exactly my friend. I miss when wrtiers would do research before world building or character creation and pay respect/homage to their heritage without it being a in your face preachy thing. That's why I love Dani Moonstar so much. She embraces her roots, but makes sure she embraces all aspects of herself such as a Valkyrie and Co-Leader of the team. I did enjoy Ed Brissons short stint on X-Force, though the art was offputting as well as "Baby Cable" but at least the idea of X-Force was there. Shame he pooped the bed with his chance with New Mutants when Krakoa launched.
@@ChrisMacPresents Yeah, Dani really was a great character. Claremont made all those original New Mutants to be very likable characters; going through their own internal struggles, but ultimately trying to do the right thing, despite their flaws and dark sides.
I liked Ed Brisson's X-Force too. It was one of the few X-Books in recent years that I thought was good.
@@SamGuthrie1977 the latter half of Rosenbergs Uncanny X-Men was 🔥🔥 as well
X-force must backread this issue. Cheers
Anytime my friend! Hope you enjoy reading it as much as I did
Good review 👍
I don't think this issue makes much sense UNLESS you have read X-Force #43 when Bobby is a full fledged villain (Reignfire) and X-Men Prime when their headquarters is destroyed and the Reignfire issue is addressed. That being said I thoroughly enjoyed this period of X-FORCE. When I think of Jeph Loeb I think of his X-FORCE ( not MCU stuff).
Btw if you were irritated by this version of Rictor I don't know what you must think of the....er.. coupling of Rictor and Shatterstar (which made no sense due to their personalities) that came later. I have no problem with same sex relationships but Rictor was straight and Shatterstar doesn't have those type of emotions to fall in love romantically. He understands friendship, loyalty and honour. Anyway. Enough of my rant. Keep up the good work. 👌
I appreciate ya stopping by my friend and checking it out 🤙Rictor, Shatterstar, and Iceman will always be from the early X-Men days. If a character is established as as a same sex character, i.e., Northstar, then it works and is organic. Randomly changing a character with years of mythos that contradicts it, then yeah, it feels forced and blarg.
I loved this era of X-Force because all the established characters were growing and moving on. I.e. Sam moving from New Mutants to X-Men. I need to go back through a lot of this to see what eventually happens to Dani, Magma, and Karma.
Thank you for filling in the gaps of this arc, adds some much needed context to the review 🖖