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The Case of David Dooley
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- Опубликовано: 22 мар 2021
- When Michelle Mockbee was found in her office having been attacked early in the morning, the investigation began. It would lead to the janitor, David Dooley, who had acted suspicious that morning. However, after the trial corruption would be revealed. Would the second trial be any clearer?
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Crap we are in a cult....
It’s a cult I’d gladly join tbf...
But in my opinion, this secret club about murder isn't as psychologically damaging as guides/scouts etc
We are...🤫🤫
Yes!
I feel like jurors do not fully understand what "beyond reasonable doubt" means.
they don't
How long is their training in this tradition Jon of to
Jon of to?
Which is why the death penalty is questionable at best.
I think you are the one who actually doesnt understand what it means. At what point did anyone ever have a explanation for the murder that wasnt the prosecution? None. The jurors make their decision based on the evidence presented to them. There was no other plausible explanation that could explain what happened beyond a REASONBLE DOUBT. Lets put it this way. You go outside, the ground is wet, you hear thunder, you smell rain. You didnt see it rain but you can safely assumed it rained. Its also possible that a fire rescue helicopter flew overhead and dumped its water out over your house. Sure that could have happened, but what is more REASONABLE to you based on the evidence, in this example, the wet ground, thunder, smell of rain. Also, it is not at the trial that you get your actual sentence, that is another process where a judge can either agree with the jurys recommendation or not.
Whether Dave Dooley actually did it or not, he should not have been convicted on what was essentially nothing but speculation.
Agreed. Emotions should not supersede evidence. It’s far more important to make sure the *right* person is convicted.
I’d rather have 10 guilty men go free than one innocent man go to prison.
@@Obsessed_With_Corgis even if one of those 10 tortured, raped, or killed your loved one?
@@rebeccav9969 If there was no real forensic evidence, I wouldn’t be convinced that the person accused is actually the one who harmed my loved one.
If they’re innocent; that means the real perpetrator would still be out there, likely harming other people. I would never want a conviction just for the sake of “moving on”. I’d want to *know* that the *right* person is behind bars.
Was later accused of having and making child porn.
He was a pedo so yeah let him rot in prison
@@drthik1 Oof. He'd probably be in for a while then, anyway. It certainly doesn't help his case here, either. Prison will not be fun for him.
That's the way the lead detective acts when he's on the stand under oath, in front of a judge and jury. Imagine how he must be elsewhere.
There's so many cops who shouldn't be cops.
True..if he's this boorish and arrogant imagine what he's like to anyone he's investigating
Too true.
ronan devarey... Not as many cops as you're trying to indicate.
@@alanab9674 'So many' refers to a large, but indeterminate amount. So you don't know how many cops I'm 'trying' to indicate. So I'll clarify it.
40% of cops admit to committing domestic abuse (and that's just the ones who admit it.). They shouldn't be cops. There are over 30,000 officers who have been decertified for wrongdoing in the last ten years. They shouldn't have been cops in the first place. 85,000 officers were investigated or disciplined for misconduct, perjury, evidence planting and garden variety corruption in the last ten years. The ones whose investigations weren't frivolous or malicious, they shouldn't be cops.
So many cops, like I said.
@@ronandevarey4809 Just bc "admit" is used doesn't mean it's true or factual. Stars use dubious terminogy to compile their numbers. And their sources are often biased & questionable.
Sometimes when I'm walking out of a supermarket or leaving the gas station I hear Mike's voice in my head: "and so he left at tree tur-tee and that was the last time anyone saw him... Alive... You see, tree weeks later authorities would be alerted to a bad smell coming from an abandoned vehee-kle turtee miles away..."
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Hahaha 🤣
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Hahhaha
“Do I need to do the life insurance dance again?”
How is this a question, Mike, the answer is forever yes
Holding out for the 10 hour long cut of the life insurance dance.
When the question is about doing the life insurance dance, the answer is ALWAYS yes.
Forever.
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@@ntnrocket1 In fact, can we get it in gif format so we can just play our own music and have it going? I promise it won't be used for evil purposes.
When the guy gets sentenced and the videos only halfway over, you know mike's about to take you on a trip
Riiight you know you have to put your seat belt on do all the turns and twist
Riiight you know you have to put your seat belt on do you all the turns and twist
you get me? :')
I know. Love him
I'm literally at that point and I thought the exact same thing just before I read your comment 🤣
One of the most heinous things a prosecutor can do is HOLD EVIDENCE WHILE THE INNOCENT PERSON SITS IN A CELL.
It would have been a Brady violation if the prosecutors withheld something that could exonerate the defendant. I didn't hear Mike mention that they got one BUT maybe that's the actual reason he got a new trial.
He’s not innocent dw
*withhold
How can a facility like that NOT have security cameras inside the building? There are cameras everywhere nowadays. That’s really odd...
You're right. Big hotshot sciency tech lab but no cameras inside?!
Yeah, doesn't make a damn bit of sense.
it's not quite as odd as you think those types of buildings tend to have security installed whenever the building is built but are too damned cheap to maintain/update systems as frequently as they would need it to actually be functionally useful. Retailers are often more aggressive about their camera systems than warehouses and even then it's usually in very specific placements like staring directly at where a till point opens etc.. In those buildings as long as the parking lot cameras still working its not worth paying for the maintenance (and even then its to avoid liabilities are employee parked vehicles)
people dont like being watched while they work i ,work somewhere similar and we only have a few internal cameras.. theres an interesting article about it that i read a few years ago
Maybe there were... After all, the detective was found to have suppressed one piece of CCTV evidence that we know of. Maybe there is some more out there, somewhere? Something else that was inconvenient to the prosecution case? Not trying to be all conspiracy theory, but there was already shown to be iffy goings on between the detective and the prosecutor, sooo...
Call handler: 'And what is the janitor's name?'
Manager: 'Dave'
Call handler: ' case solved...'
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All Dave's are killers!!!
Throughout this case I couldn't help but wonder... Don't janitors have keys to all the rooms?
Where I work, the cleaner has keys. How else would they clean? There are also keys hidden for staff to use.
Good point, why would he need to break in, unless it's an electronic key and it was timed, but then it works the other way, if you were trying not to be caught, don't use the key. I still don't think there was enough matching evidence, but this thought has confused the issue slightly
Good point...no screw driver needed...unless to was thinkin...hey, they won't suspect me if I make it look like it wasn't me. But, no DNA...and Random Guy....thats something.
I worked in an office building for 25 years and the cleaning staff had keys to every room so they could do their job.
I've seen cases with MORE evidence than this get a not-guilty, so yeh, pretty terrifying that a case with such un-concrete evidence can get you LIFE in prison.
“ is that any of your business?” Yeah bro your literally in court under oath
Literally only business that judges has and he is asking is that any of her business hahaha
Lmao I laughed so hard at that! What an idiot.
*you're*
@@bentramer4281 Except they used the right spelling lol
@@LokiPii the second "your" lol
More than likely it was him who did it but I still feel the evidence against him was pretty bloody thin. A bit scary to know you can be given a life sentence on such a thin case.
The boots are what makes it very hard for me to believe, I can't drop a paintbrush without it splattering all over my boots. If you caved someone's head in, there would definitely be blood on your shoes, and you wouldn't be able to clean them well enough to scrub any DNA evidence
My thoughts exactly. I feel like he was guilty BUT thats is NOT enough to put a man behind bars for life. Beyond reasonable doubt doesnt seem to exist
Maybe he took off the boots to sneak around.
@@TheWonkster he could’ve just changed his boots when he left
@@fulcrum7455 Well no that’s not what she’s saying. She’s saying that she doesn’t want innocent people to go to jail based on shaky “evidence”
The contrast between your videos from 3 years ago and now is incredible. You have grown so much as your personality really comes through, from your sense of humor to the quality of your work. Totally enjoy your channel.
Yes, I've noticed that he's become much more relaxed and confident. Less "reading from a script", much more natural "chat".
I appreciate that his wife acknowledged the victim and how her family must have felt about losing her
She only did that because she realised she was coming off as a douche talking like she was. She didn't give a sh.t about the victim or her family. She and he were stealing together, so no doubt she and he planned that he would go there and get those records so they could get away with stealing. I wonder how many other businesses they were defrauding by pushing up hours they didn't work.
@@Odette321 There's nothing on google as to whether or not Janet and David Dooley were charged in connection with the time clock fraud. It makes me wonder if the two of them planned to kill Michelle Mockbee, or if it was a spur-of-the-moment thing that happened, like she discovered David in her office trying to take the evidence or something.
@@Odette321 this is a weird comparison you're making. Someone being capable of theft does not automatically make them capable of murder.
I couldn't give a ####. They're both garbage
She said in statement after mentioning victim BUT so that means disregard everything said prior to BUT so she didn't care about victim imo.
Guilty or not, this case was thinner than the walls of my first apartment.
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Your right! In a criminal trial, the person must be found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Whether he did this or not is not the case.
It's up to the prosecution to prove he did it. I don't think they did.
It is a sham.
Nice
@@mr.pitjoey2910 that's supposed to be the standard but what's obviously always happened was emotional manipulation and conjecture. It's kind of embarrassing that even these days, with all of the information available, emotional manipulation is still more important than evidence.
You say it's a thin case, after watching a 20 minute video - but two separate juries who considered ALL the evidence, were both convinced of Dooley's guilt! The circumstantial evidence in the case was powerful and pointed to Dooley, he had motive, means and opportunity. No one need lose any sleep over this conviction!
I feel that it was a BIG tactical error by the defence in the 2nd trial to start pointing the finger at the husband. Just ruined their credibility & likeability for the jury. Should have just concentrated on the 'reasonable doubt' angle.
Yea just stick to facts instead of throwing out the old spouse angle with no evidence at all.None of his dna on her and none of hers(or blood)on him/in his car would be enough for me to say not guilty
I agree. You would need OJ Simpsons jury to find him not guilty using that defence. There’s certainly enough doubt in this case on its own. His big mistake, if innocent, was not about leaving but not declaring he had left the site. Once his wife couldn’t corroborate it he was on a very sticky wicket. Circumstantial evidence put him as the number one suspect but with room for doubt. He got a second chance and his defence team threw him under a bus by pointing the finger like some TV courtroom drama plot. The defence could be proved to be right but that was not the time to bring it up.
BNBG nice wire reference
Exactly!
@@Gos1234567 I think it kind of makes sense in terms of pointing out suspicious behaviour and measuring that against the defendant's. the husband's behaviour was as suspicious as Dooley's - that is to say only mildly suspicious, and certainly not enough to convict someone. so if you wouldn't point the finger at the husband, who had a very common motivation for murder, then why would you do so with the defendant?
I love how pissed they get when they’re being questioned. Like how dare you treat me like them
Right. The det. Excuse me you are being questioned about your inappropriate relationship with the prosecutor. Come on ya clown
I live in Boone County and I knew the victim and roughly the suspect's family.
The prosecutor and detective in this case were lazy and the evidence was far from convincing. So much was kept from the defense and jury by the 'old boys club' in this county. Such a ridiculous slim claim by authorities and the judge let everything slide.
I feel so bad for this family.....she was a very sweet person.
"Hey you"
I am now calm and ready to eat lunch.
Here is dinner time. 😁
Glad I am not the only one who eats lunch to Mike!
Here in italy is dinner time to ..
@@hereaioan3379 Bon appetit!
Me. Right now.
I'm still waiting for that episode where a missing person is later found alive and well
and it was all just a massive misunderstanding and everyone lived happily ever after.....one day
I've seen a couple of those. Where the person just ran away from everything and everyone out of nowhere. And they didn't even know why they did it.
Yeah, there was a mom who thought she was ruining her families lives so she left just to be found later.
Look up the story of *Lawrence Joseph Bader* . It was _wild_ !
There are bizzarre interesting ones like that of Natasha Ryan who went missing in 1998. A dude (who might've already been a serial killer) admitted to her murder and was put on trial. In 2003 Natasha attended her own murder trial. She may have had a vitamin D deficiency from hiding inside her boyfriend's house for the past 5 years but she was alive and well enough.
That actually happened where I live years ago. Local news channels start reporting about a missing man. He was healthy and in his early 30s. Honestly not the type you would see very often as missing person. About a week later he returned home. He just left on a road trip out of state and just never told anyone.
Swear! Mike’s the cutest when he does that goofy life insurance dance! 😂 Adorable!
Already, you had me at "what David Dooley done did... or did he?". I 🧡 this channel.
That Chapter is currently one of only a few things making Tuesdays tolerable
And Fridays, when I have to work the weekend!
Agreed!
This is exactly what I was about to post.
It's one of the few things reminding me of what day it is.
In a way its odd that Mike's videos do this for most people, but on reality the stories are horrific. But I think its the way Mike presents them. He's a great story teller and narrator. He would probably be entertaining to watch if he told ghost stories too.
"what makes you think someone killed somebody?"
"well uh I guess the dead body covered in blood gives it away"
I would have said there’s fucking blood 🩸
Yeah husband definitely guilty
@@GardenGuy1943 he may be guilty, but it's possible she got lippy with him.. we should reserve judgment. It's very possible he had to put up with her mouth every day.
...j.k. of course. Lol
The guy making the 911 call sounded almost like he had been expecting her to get murdered sooner or later.
Because she could have killed her self
16:19 We asked you “When Dave left for work that morning, when was the very first time you saw him?”
But that’s not entirely true, because at 7:00 she clarifies the question- remember she’s supposedly hard of hearing- “ when was the first time I seen him yesterday?” to which the detective carelessly replies “Yeah, that AFTERNOON”. She then tells him it was after he was released from work. But they weren’t interested in the afternoon seeing as how the incident in question occurred in the morning. That seemed like a goof up to me
yep, they were leading her to answer that how they wanted
Exactly
It was a weirdly worded question. Confused me!
Good catch
I caught that too. It was a badly worded question and then he made it worse by saying said "that afternoon" . Then in the next interview he said he had reviewed all the interviews and he deliberately misstated the question he had asked with an equally clumsy rendition of the question,
I doubt he did it, and how on earth did they convict him with another suspect never narrowed down nor the DNA matched? What an awful case.
“What David Dooley done did” my new favourite tongue twister 😂😂
Or did he?
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Soo funny 😆🤣😂
That's not that hard to say, try saying this 4X fast
Sally sells sea shells with Susan Sally sander supposed sister Saturdays secretly sleeping soundly lol
@@Dantectez 😂😂😂 I couldn’t even read it let alone say it 😂
Roses are Red.
Violets are Blue.
A new 'That Chapter' Video.
I'm having a Goo.
Roses are red,
violets are blue,
some rhymes rhyme,
but this one doesn't.
@@XpRnz poems don't have to rhyme..
STOLEN!
Roses are red
Violets are blue
I'm watching this video
While taking a poo
Roses are red
Violets are blue
I was feeling down
Then Mike said "hey you" ❤
ALL the "evidence" in this case was circumstantial. You can't find someone guilty simply because "he might have had a motive" and because you can't find anybody else, ESPECIALLY when you aren't even looking!
that last line "eff him" bout sums it. crazy how even if this man may not have done this [ I think he did], the fact they found what they found in his home (the disgrace towards children) is mind blowing. that would not have been found had it not been for this case. prayers to Michelle's family.
Even though David is sketchy there wasn’t really any real evidence & it’s kinda scary you can get convicted like that
It really is scary! 😳
I spent 6mo in county for something I didn't do.. it happens quite frequently.
This is only a 23 minute video. There was much more evidence presented during the trial.
@@sandrab2589 did you go?!
@@stephanieann8115 read court documents
@@stephanieann8115 His case was also profiled on Dateline. In addition to tampering with time cards, he has pled guilty to child pornography charges. A model citizen.
See, this is exactly why I never show up to work early...ESPECIALLY when there are tirteen people on the premises.
I always show up early I am in finance so it makes a huge difference. There is a whole police academy 5 min down the road though. My company is actually a customer of Thermo-Fisher too.
Yeah, it's that unlucky Tirteen!
I never show up early because my employer puts me to work without pay until my actual shift starts. If I try to add the minutes to my timecard the boss just changes them and I get a threat of a write-up. Isn't work wonderful?
@@-._.-KRiS-._.- : You can sue the company for that with proof that he changes you time card and make you work without pay. I did.
It's wild and mind blowing how there are cases with so much more evidence directly pointing to a subject and maybe an ounce of doubt and people walk, even with case so gruesome involving children. Then there is this case, thats F ing scary, this was not beyond a reasonable doubt.
Wow this case is terrifying!
Any one of us could be in this same exact situation, facing life in prison…on speculations 🤯
Yeah, it's total BS. He very well could have done it, but the evidence certainly didn't prove it was him beyond reasonable doubt.
It's so weird that they didn't find any DNA on the victim or on David, with such a messy scene it's hard to imagine that he was able to just perfectly clean himself of the blood without leaving any trace in less than half an hour. I don't think he should have been convicted, there definitely was a reasonable doubt.
Yeah, I really find it suspicious that he would leave and his timing didn't help at all, but idk seems like there is smth hidden \_^^_/
Everyone blames the lowly janitor. Easy trash can.
@@ElanaVital83 no. it has nothing to do with his status. he was hella sus
well said.
@@aspirindamage5152 He definitely deserved to be a suspect, but the prosecution shouldn't have brought forth charges until they investigated further. They were way too eager to close the case without putting the proper amount of effort in.
I implore you, please do the full life insurance dance every time life insurance is involved. It literally makes my day every time I see it.
Before I even get further in the video, Mike saying "... It's about to get ice cold... God I hate that I just said that." Got a good laugh out of me. Always an entertaining fellow!
I've literally never seen such consistency from any other channels. Not ones that are this hilarious and entertaining. You are AMAZING MIKE
Well, that was quite the M Night twist at the end. Spent all that time feeling sorry for Dooley, convinced he didn't do it, and now, well, whatever, man.
He didn’t! C mon
@@ladyboywonder9139 oh well he not only had child pornography but he made it so he can be innocent of the murder for all i care, still deserves the sentence, i hope no one is working to free him or overturn his conviction
Seems way too convenient. Kinda like when a Boeing employee was being investigated for selling company secrets to China, absolutely no evidence, the investigators where made a joke of, they found the actual criminal, and then all of a sudden, CP was "found" on the original guys work computer.
That's how I feel too. If he did it, he deserves the time. If he didn't do it, he still deserves the time. To be honest, all child abusers should get murder time anyway, so good!
@@ladyboywonder9139 😆🤘
I was all like: I'm not so sure about this one, isn't all circumstantial evidence and there's that DNA they couldn't match to anybody... Then those last 30 seconds happened.
Same
I'm still not sure if he did the murder but yeah I've lost all sympathy.
If he is innocent of 'that' crime though, justice still hasn't been served and a murderer is out there.
I had seen this story elsewhere, but not the guilty plea. Certainly gave me a sense of confidence in the verdicts.
@@AM2K2 Thats true we forget about the victim to often
The most important thing you said was, "... process of elimination shouldn't be used in murder."
I agree. I don't actually have a super-strong feeling that he's innocent, but I *really* don't feel he was proven guilty, either.
You are my favorite storyteller, hands down. You make me laugh so hard. Which is hard to do while watching these kinds of stories. So, thank you for that comic relief. Also, I used to only live 30 minutes away from Florence, KY. Now I live about 1.5hrs away now. I wasn't even surprised to hear this place on here. It's about 15min away from Cincinnati, OH.... which A LOT of crazy things happen in Cinci.
"He appeared devastated" is not a reason to think someone didn't kill someone else for $700,000. For every one person who gets caught in murderous insurance fraud, I cringe considering how many get away with it every day!
I agree. I actually kind of think maybe the husband did play a role in this. Now here me out; he worked there and knew the schedule for the cleaners. He also would have likely known they were double dipping in hours, plus he would know all the camera angles. I propose it's possible that he set the guy up knowing the cops would immediately look at him due to these factors. Maybe the janitor guy was leaving to go smoke or something. Got in, clocked in thought he'd dip out before anyone gets there to get a quick Jay in. I think it's possible the husband hired someone. I'm not saying he absolutely did, but it is possible and set this guy up knowing his patterns and behavior.
I only use the example of smoking bc it would make sense why he wouldn't tell the cops he left, and where he really went. Who knows what previous records he had, and fear of losing job. I think it was most likely something he left to do under the radar.
@@kristentaylor9222 What made me really suspicious was the broken doorlock. Every janitor has a master key. Unless of course he didn’t use his key on purpose to exclude himself from the poole of suspects.
@@cats1970 that could easily be true. It could have been a staged robbery, or someone came at her and she ran into her office they bust the door and drug her out. He might not have wanted to waste the time using keys in that event. However, I think it's too convenient that all this was going on with the cleaning couple stealing money, then she ends up brutally murdered, as if it was a passionate crime, vs just wanting to get away with the money fraud. This crime says to me that whoever killed her truly disliked her. It was motivated for more than covering up a money scheme. Not to say the janitor might not have really disliked her. But did they even follow up on where the transactions went after the husband withdrew that kind of money? I get paying off debts, but in cash?? And scrubbing clean his computer? It seems fishy to me. Furthermore, the guy lingering could have gotten the wrong day. It is eerily like the west Memphis three case. The police wanted it to be solved so bad they used any shred of evidence to convict.
So much of our legal system is based on emotion which is horrifying
So basically he was convicted by the fact that it was possible he did it, not because of proof he actually did do it. That's not a good standard of justice. Although I agree with your last sentiment given what he took a plea on.
You can be guilty of one thing without being guilty of another
Two different juries who saw all the evidence against David Dooley at two separate trials, ie not just a 20 minute RUclips video, were both convinced of his guilt. It wasn't just 'possible' he did it - there was compelling evidence of his guilt, and he had motive, means and opportunity. I wouldn't lose any sleep over this one if I were you!
Dooley was obviously forensically aware, and this was clearly a pre-planned crime. Michelle Mockbee was ambushed at her office door by someone who knew her and her routine. Dooley and his wife's serious, long-term clocking in scam against the company was strong motive. And that motive was supported by the screwdriver marks on her door, and the fact both the Dooley's clocking in cards mysteriously vanished after the crime.
The CCTV evidence Dooley went home for 30 minutes right after her murder was damning, and explained the lack of DNA evidence. He'd prepared a change of clothes and footwear right after the murder (hence no blood in his car), and no doubt after showering at home changed into fresh work wear and the clean, blood-free boots, then returned to the office and feigned shock on 'discovering' her body.
What are the chances he was the only one of 13 staff, whose movements couldn't be accounted for during the murder? He did it alright, and I bet his wife knows it - and the reason why. Michelle was very unlucky to find herself at the centre of a staff theft, and to be sacrificed, to cover it up.
Happens all the time. It's called "Circumstantial Evidence". They can't always prove someone did something, they just have to convince the Jury that they are the most likely candidate.
@@williammueller6639 People sometimes forget circumstantial evidence IS evidence - and considered in context, it can be every bit as strong and indicative of guilt as DNA evidence.
No prosecutor in the world can ever 100% prove a person committed a murder. Even with the strongest, most convincing evidence there has to be an element of doubt because the jury was not there, does not know the people involved personally, and didn't witness the crime with their own eyes. That's why the phrase 'beyond a reasonable doubt' is inevitably part of every guilty verdict, and is the best that can be realistically asked of any jury.
However, the legal standard 'beyond a reasonable doubt' is a high level of proof - it certainly doesn't just mean 'it's possible the defendant did it'. That would not be enough to convict!
This is a quick, 20 minute video, providing a summary of the case - two different juries who considered all the evidence at two separate trials both convicted Dooley of Murder. People shouldn't glibly dismiss that fact like it's nothing! The guy got two fair trials by jury, had good legal representation both times, and was twice judged to be Michelle Mockbee's killer.
David Dooley had motive, means and opportunity, and the evidence against him was compelling. I don't think anyone need start any campaigns to free him!
@@glamdolly30 thats why they say a good prosecutor can indite a damn ham sand which and they will win the case every time.
I live in central Kentucky and you consistently feature cases I, a true crime junkie, haven't even heard of. Great content, keep it up!!
I'm sad Mike's intro didn't say something like... "we have a story about David Dooley so let's give it a gooley."... Missed opportunity
Sooo hes guilty because they could not prove anyone else did it? Damn that's insane
I would've considered OJ...but he was locked up in Nevada. Plus, he preferred butchery.
This is why our justice system terrifies me
But that means that they could prove that he did it.
Try other justice systems
@@b.a.m.5078 Oh yeah? Try living in China? Or Somalia? Or 150 other places worse than our legal system.
At the end of the 2nd trial, DOOLEY did "hang down his head and cry". In all seriousness, there was reasonable doubt as to his guilt. This case was entirely circumstantial.
i dont think you know what reasonable doubt means. There was somebody killed. Thats a fact. Now whats more reasonable to you, that someone with motive, inconsistencies in their stories, was SEEN leaving moments before the murder and coming back was responsible, or some random person snuck in wasnt detected and just decided to savagely beat and kill a random woman for no reason, THEN nobody sees or hears them leave?? You need to provide a different plausible scenario that could give you REASONABLE DOUBT as to the prosecutions case.
@@austintruly You don't understand what reasonable doubt is. Is it reasonable to think that someone other than Dooley could have killed her? It certainly is given the evidence in this video. It doesn't mean that it is "more reasonable", just reasonable. It's not about picking the most reasonable possible explanation out of the ones you can come up with. There are always infinite possible explanations. It is about proving that it would be unreasonable to think that the given explanation could possibly be wrong. If you can't understand the difference I hope you are never on a jury.
@@Matt-hs5jm “It is about proving that it would be unreasonable to think the given explanation could possibly be wrong.”
Just to clarify that’s from the perspective of someone trying to disprove the reasonable doubt, as in this quote would be the prosecutions goal.
@@austintruly someone else's dna was found at the scene they didn't bother to check that avenue out?
Most cases before DNA were circumstantial (unless there was a witness to the crime or the person confessed). A case mostly having circumstantial evidence does not mean the case is invalid.
I mean don't get me wrong, this case was not a solid case. I don't know if I could have voted to convict if I had been on the jury. I'm just saying there is a difference between circumstantial case and an invalid one.
I found this channel like I say week ago and I have been watching them non stop. Huge fan of the way he tells his stories. Keeps you paying attention that’s forsure very Entertaining stuff.
That Chapter is above the rest. So many video clips, recordings, images, facts, evidence seen in court, posts etc. We don’t see this level of detain and research from others.
Absolutely great and I appreciate not being reminded to subscribe. Of course I did, but I like that we’re not constantly reminded. Thank you.
Mr Ballen is king of these channels. This is ok in comparison. Not exaggerated
You know it's going to be a juicy episode when the verdict is handed down only halfway through the video.
The way the detective framed his question to Mrs Dooley sounded like he was asking her when she saw David *that afternoon*, not that day.
I noticed that too. Yup, no leading the witnesses here...
Just herd that part totally agree
@@doctorshell7118 And a Hard Of Hearing witness at that...who was probably struggling to understand him clearly.
absolutely! was thinking that the whole time. leading question for sure
@@Yes-iu3kr I wonder if there was any actual evidence she was hard of hearing? Hmmm...
This is why you never want to end up in front of a jury of people who couldn't get out of jury duty!
What really bugs me about this case is that some murders need to go unsolved, for the justice system to function correctly.
You can’t just convict the most likely suspect, you can bring them to a trial, but the evidence that puts someone away for life needs to be rock solid, or they should walk free.
In so many of these videos, the most important FACT that we must take away is the pure incompetence of, and the total willingness of law enforcement to 'solve' the crime as quickly as possible, by choosing a person at random, and then manipulating, ignoring, or fabricating the 'evidence' in order to make themselves look good.
It's truly terrifying how little evidence they can have on someone and still convict them of murder & sentence them to life in prison. Why wouldn't they try to find out who the other DNA on the scene belonged to?
Cops have a habit of going tunnel vision on a suspect without doing their due diligence.
It seems to me they had plenty of evidence, enough to to be found guilty at two different trials.
@@austintruly Juries often convict without sufficient evidence. This is nothing new. Here's what didn't add up to me in this case:
1. Where was the blood in Dooley's car and in his house? There was blood everywhere at the murder scene as the woman died from blunt force trauma. If he went home to change his clothes it would be almost impossible for there not to be even a drop of blood in his car or house.
2. Dooley's DNA wasn't even confirmed to be at the murder scene.
3. As the OP said, who did the DNA at the scene belong to? Why wasn't this investigated?
4. Dooley coming into work and then leaving again seems suspicious until you consider why he may have done so if he was innocent. What if he was the first one to find the body, but knowing that the finger would be pointed at him, decided to come back at a time when other employees would also be in the office? His wife then tried to cover for him by changing her story. This is a perfectly reasonable explanation for his behavior.
5. Just because he overbilled the company he worked for doesn't make him a murderer. What percentage of employees/contractors who overbill end up killing the head of accounting? I don't know either, but it sure as heck isn't high. Motive was pretty weak here.
6. There's no way we can know that Dooley was the only person with opportunity. All it rules out are the people who were seen working in the warehouse. It doesn't rule out the other 7.5 billion people on earth.
TLDR: The jury did not have proof of Dooley's guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.
@@allanshpeley4284 bruh your argument is even weaker lol.
@@PR-xm5zc Nah, you're just too slow to comprehend it (lol).
Look at me, running up to hear this crazy story from my beloved Kentucky! I'm in Louisville. Love your work!
Mike, you're the ABSOLUTE BEST at what you do man.!! Great work! Keep it up 🖤
That last part made me feel a lot better about the whole thing
It pretty much made me okay with the outcome too.
That was likely just planted or even fabricated just to make him look bad...
Yup
@@michaelhelgeland4588 na he took a plea cause he knew he was a POS
@@michaelhelgeland4588 Why would he plead guilty to that?
"he was jittery and nervous."
"Of coarse I was. I'm the fucking janitor, who do you think has the clean this up?!"
Serious, glitter is super hard to get rid of.
Edited and still a Shiite sentence. 🤦🏻♂️
Scooby Doo suspect Number 1! The mild mannered janitor!
Course *
Stop 🤣
what brings me back to your videos is your priceless sense of humour...love your content
Its June 2023 and I couldn't be happier that I still have over TWO YEARS of That Chapter to catch up on. Starting watching from oldest to newest, and it's been a wild ride!
Wow, this is one of those cases where I have no idea if they got the right guy.
Which means that guy should definitely not be in jail. I hope his appeal works
Well, are you really suprised, it’s just 23:41 lasting video! ”Maybe” all aspects aren’t presented.
@@oldtimer7635 all Mike's videos are roughly 20-30 mins long. He just covers the case and the info at hand, doesnt do deep dives. If you want deep dives go watch Stephanie Harlowe, John Lordan, or Danelle Hallan.
@@Curious_KJ did you watch till 23:12??? 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
@@Shazam1991 Just because he had "cheese pizza" on his computer doesn't mean he murdered her. In fact most people who are into that shit are skittish and too cowardly for murder. "The original investigation of child abuse was back in 2005, was based on family allegations, and was closed. When the victim turned 14 (in 2014), the charges resurfaced and apparently included abuse that continued into 2007. So they reopened it and decided to charge and prosecute when there was a chance he could be acquitted of the murder." We don't need idiots like you on jury duty. Whether he should be in jail for the murder, is still questionable.
“Process of elimination shouldn’t be used in murder”
-Mike
🎭
Amen!
I've done Janitor work before, we have master keys or at least keys to every room in order to clean/ take out garbage. So it is odd that he tried to break in, unless he tried to make it look that way. Also with the random blood stains in the hallway and then her body left in the room after doesn't really make sense, and doesn't seem like a planned murder to me. If his shoes/car had no evidence it would mean that he had worn a different set of clothes and changed at work and dumped his murder clothes before getting in the car and showered at work. That would mean he planned the murder, and breaking into the door/moving the body around doesn't seem planned. We obviously didn't see the whole trial so I am not sure what the explanation is, the guys wife is a moron especially if he is innocent.
i've watched all of mike's videos, so now I am watching all of them again - he is THE BEST when it comes to true crime drama
That Chapter is the only thing I acually follow truly on the internet. Best EVER.
Same here. 😊
Me too
It scares me someone can lose their freedom like this with NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER
I don't know if he did it or not but there is definitely reasonable doubt here.
I really don't understand how they found him guilty. No DNA, no blood and no witnesses. Very strange.
This scares the living shit out of me as well. Makes me want to have a body camera on me 24/7 sometimes
@@11co5955 wear a Fitbit or Apple Watch. It’ll record your heart rate and prove you couldn’t have been violently bludgeoning someone to death while you’re sleeping. It actually worked as a defense in a recent case.
I felt sorry for him at first, but after hearing of this child pornography thing I'm glad he is where he is.
@@EditLivy agreed, he deserves the sentence after I heard that
as someone who lives in Kentucky, the "it was going to get HOT (80F)" made me laugh, if only because the forecast for today is like 95 degrees :') great vid as always!!
It’s really hard for me to watch any other crime shows without Mike is the host your great Mike bravo and you definitely give it a go!
Loved the tag line at the end:
“So actually 😆😆 .... f*** him 😒.”
Me too. Mike makes it sound so good.
Me too. I just posted that. That was excellent made me laugh
I literally live for the Life Insurance dance 🙈
YEAH , I’LL SUPPORT THAT . . . SUPER CREEP WITHOUT THE MURDER CHARGE !
I feel bad for his wife. Even when she was upset she noted that the victim’s family is hurting too. Poor woman.
She ran a fraudscheme stealing money she's no saint.
@@somniumisdreaming "Ran a fraud scheme"?! You're referring to her husband and her clocking in for overtime pay for each other? The ways poor people are villainized for finding ways to come up... but not the businesses cutting corners and paying less than a living wage to staff despite being able to afford it blows my mind.
@@TahtahmesDiary stealing is wrong. Why are you defending these pos people? I am poor but you know it never occurred to me to go and add hours to my time sheet. If you ever run a business you’ll understand that they were committing fraud and the best way to get more hours is usually to talk to the manager or find a job that pays better. I know for a fact that if this was going on in your business you’d stop them and call the police.
I don't think anyone feels bad for the company, but you can't really think poor folks should steal money if they can.
Btw, how do you know they weren't being paid fairly? Do you know how much they were being paid? I can't remember hearing it in the video.
@@TahtahmesDiary This is the funniest comment I've ever read. Most people live paycheck to paycheck, but don't find ways to commit fraud 😂😂😂
I love watching ur videos! Your expressions are funny & so was the "insurance" dance 🤣 I have been binge watching as many episodes as I can 🙂
if you like true crime, this channel is for you.... if you like background noise, this channel is for you... ive been binge watching it in the background of my life for almost 3 days straight. lol you rock Mike.
Detectives like this should be imprisoned for negligence.
It was the police detective's fault. The prosecutor was doing their job to try to convict. It was the juries that failed here, not the prosecutors.
@Jon jurors are made up of people just like you and I. 😂
They should get some sort of award for this one. They got a juror to convict with zero evidence and a shit ton of reasonable guilt. That’s pretty amazing.
@Jon I guess that's why it was good enough for Andrea.
I honestly don’t understand how the jury found him guilty. There’s definitely reasonable doubt.
Crooked cops.
That's exactly what I thought.
@@WeeniePablo that's the convenient cover story to convict Dooley. I think it was a hired hit by Michelle's husband.
@UCxHH6_tlywTEaflYWF4dCfQ it could've been anyone's screwdriver and explain the other persons DNA found but NONE of Dooleys DNA was anywhere near there? Cleaning products only do so much, blood would most likely be found in his car, strange he had literally no wounds, himself, from her defending herself or anything. There's literally nothing that proves he WAS in that office, but thee IS proof of a strange man on the property after the alarm for the place was tripped 3 days prior
he has a guilty face
Well once again it's the middle of the night and insomnia is keeping me company so I'm binge watching that chapter. Thank God for mike.
Office building had no security or security cameras, essentially everyone could get in. And they act like that isn't a fact. And he had no blood on the shoes, or marks on the hands. Scary to get life sentence for just speculations.
The guy calling 911: [his name is] Dave
Me: * looks at the title * oh.
The husband is guilty tho
@@GardenGuy1943 Physically impossible for him to have been there.
@@toomanymarys7355 it is possible he hired a hitman..then he wouldn't need to be there.
@@toomanymarys7355 200k in cash withdraws inside of a year sounds like kinda alot to me.
@@johnv6806 they definitely should’ve gone through those payments for their alibi. Lets say he claims to have paid off their mortgage- that’s an extremely traceable offence. Did he have hidden gambling debt? Motive right there! Very sloppy “we know who the attacker needs to be before we start the case.”
Most maintenance workers I know, have access to keys. I can't imagine that with their access to the building, they would have to butcher the lock to the door as it was done, even if they didn't have keys.
No you do not get keys to the office like that.
The "detectives" could have easily determined whether janitorial staff had regular authorized access to offices. Something is weird here.
As someone who worked in maintenance, that's a fucking lie looooooool. Offices with payroll or server rooms are off limits to cleaners, we do NOT get keys to them. The only people with the keys to literally every room in the building are the security guards.
@@onehellofanopinion2313 So who cleans those rooms? Surely not the security guards.
@@maryvallettakeith6146 they clean in the presence of security or staff. C'mon now.
Well done, I was on his side for most of the time until the last 30 seconds.
Damn the 911 operator already knew..
When she asked for the janitors name right away
Best part of it being Tuesday! Thanks, Mike!
Hope you enjoy Natalia!
@@ThatChapter Yes I did enjoy Natalia! 😁
I both love and hate this channel. I love it because the content is unique in a world of creators recycling the same old stories, but I also hate it because the humor is almost unbearable at times. Either way keep it coming 😂
It's scary how they could put someone in jail and let the killer go free.
Ouch. Life. Based on literally "I dunno, he was there, at some point around the time she died? Maybe tape dispenser? Look, man, we THINK he did it. Convict!"
I mean, there are extreme holes in the case. He should’ve gotten manslaughter IMO. But a definite 30min window is very persuasive, and he was the only one of the 14 who couldn’t account for what he was doing in the building while she would’ve died. Not to mention all the cleaning stuff he had at his disposal. His reasons for being caught leaving are sketchy if the wife in question isn’t sure she even saw him.
@@msmiami212 Who the heck can clean up a crime scene - including showering, cleaning a truck, and disposing of evidence - so perfectly that crime scene techs don't find his DNA - in just 30 minutes? They would have swabbed EVERYTHING (The whole truck interior and exterior, the door handles and shower drains of his house, etc...) No one mentioned any smell of bleach or chemicals. He perfectly removed all of his DNA from her and the bag after moving her body, he didn't leave a single strand of his hair... All in just 30 minutes minus driving time? And he was THAT thorough, but managed to leave someone ELSE's DNA behind? The 30 minute window doesn't really mean anything to me other than he dipped out to watch gross vids on his phone: He pleads guilty to being a pedo with no fight, but still fights the murder conviction? He's a horrible human being, but I don't think he killed her.
@@EvylFairy yeah I agree. I'm obviously no expert, but I don't think he did it either
@@EvylFairy "They would have swabbed EVERYTHING" Not necessarily; depends on time and resources. All this stuff costs money, and most murder investigations don't do much in the way of scene processing - all the DNA testing is usually done later, using evidence from the evidence files and in the lab. Budget permitting.
@@EvylFairy No need for the aggression, tf? We don’t know how prepared he was to kill in terms of having physical disposable covers. We also know he changed clothes. He WORKS there and doesn’t need to worry about strands of his hair at the office. And he ‘dipped out’ to watch gross vids... that he could do from the parking lot? Sure, ok. There’s also no point fighting smaller charges when you’re already serving life for murder.
Seems odd that such a high-tech place would have one camera outside, and none inside.
It's actually understandable if you stop and think about it from this angle: lot's of buildings like that tend to be older with either outdated security or sparse security in terms of camera/surveillance systems. Even if the building isn't older, it's costly to not only invest in an entire surveillance system, but also costly to maintain and update. I think the companies that own those buildings don't really want to bother with that expense and probably consider it an acceptable sacrifice as these places aren't exactly broken into or stolen from all that often (at least not enough to justify the surveillance system/maintenance cost).
It's stubbornly stingy, I know, but when you're talking about a company/corporation, they're trying to cut their headroom as much as possible for maximum profit and sustainability. I'm just trying to go with an Occam's Razor approach on this though, so obviously it's just a somewhat educated guess on my part.
@@donnydogpiss4533 Installing a camera system that would cover all areas would cost less than a $1000.00 and it cost nothing to maintain, just a dvr and a few cameras. In fact you can buy an entire system that could do that for around $500.00 the other $500.00 is the cost to install.
16:02
This line ejected my coffee 😅
"Its not like you see him winking at the camera with a fucking knife or something?"
I’ve never been more confused. So the murderer was unable to open the locked door, but Janitors have Master keys, planned the timing and attack poorly, dragged her for no reason, taped her hands for no reason, BUT got away with the most clean attack ever without a molecule of blood on him, in his car, at his home or anywhere ease? In a very short time window, attacking as folks are coming in, where he could be seen at any moment? How was this possible?
But anyway, having searched his computer and found he was a Pedophile they can kill him for all I care on that alone. I feel so badly for her daughters.
well.. there is a dead woman on the floor and no one else with a motive to kill her. So there is that 😂
You just watched the system conduct "justice" by hiding evidence and convicting an innocent man and then went "I have NO doubt the pedo charge is substantiated with evidence", because their track record is impeccable
Arr Mike is the only guy on RUclips that doesn't have to beg for subscribers,
He gets them on the strength of his talent and content.
AND the only thing he asks us, is to take care of ourselves.
And that's why we love Mike. ❤️
You've been charmed into ignoring his charm.
As soon as youtubers start asking for subs I unsub.
Well, he does ask for likes and subscribes, but he's subtle about it, and it's not on every video.
@@eloycneto he does ? I have never seen that.
And he’s just plain cute ❤️
Who woulda guessed "Hey you" was the short term cure for anxiety. (But, only in Mike's voice.... anyone else-- might spike anxiety)
This store I used to work at would interrupt the radio every 20 minutes with a store promotional add and it stats by going "Hey you! Yeah you!"
@@collinhaas6137 Interesting store you worked at.
What about Roger Waters?
Comments in this channel are weird
As someone who had a lot of anxiety trigged by the entirety of 2020 I agree.
Make you one of a kind and special Mike when you stick with "let's give it a goo" that is your signature word. Nobody can take that from you 🙂 I love that word.
The poor family having to go through TWO trials 😭 May Michelle rest peacefully ❤️
And honestly, whether he did kill Michelle or not, he deserves to be in prison regardless for his disgusting crimes against children.
Mike's been covering crime cases so long he's started to crack Forensic Files-style puns about the cases. They grow up so fast...
23:10 What a plot twist!
Why are you doing here
What Otamatone is that you :o
The original investigation of child abuse was back in 2005, was based on family allegations, and was closed. When the victim turned 14 (in 2014), the charges resurfaced and apparently included abuse that continued into 2007. So they reopened it and decided to charge and prosecute when there was a chance he could be acquitted of the murder.
@@Yes-iu3kr damn. So this does prove that he's a total pos and not above murdering someone to hide his timecard scam.
@@nikkivens9812 I would.say this is a very comvulated case and Mike's video is only the tip of the iceberg. Some testimony suggested that the crime scene had been changed before being photographed. The forensic investigator changed his testimony, which originally said that it was Dooleys DNA on the bag...instead saying he couldn't say it was or it wasn't because there wasn't enough DNA. (The bloodier part of the bag had been tossed in error.) And the vic's husband gave his friend (who also worked at this place) $10,000 the day before the murder. (Even though the husband and the vic were $70,000 in debt.)
Its an interesting case to read about.
Watching Mike's videos and other true crime channels. I'm amazed the amount of murders happened at work places. Something I never thought about before. I worry about active shooters but being solely murdered. Crazy.
I'm actually addicted to this channel. For real. 👍
Cases like this make me happy that I’ve never sat in as a juror in a murder trial.
C A P the idea of it is that jurors aren’t actually in the employ of the state. If they were, they could be incentivized to do what the state wants. A jury of citizens allows for a pool of people whose lives aren’t affected by giving a verdict.
@C A P i see your point but it's because the jury is supposed to be their "peers" aka free members of the community not paid officials
@C A P that's a horrible idea
Jurors will throw anyone under the bus just to go home.
Idk how it is everywhere else but louisiana you get paid for jury duty, not much but you do