The Sinister Case of Erica Stefanko
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- Опубликовано: 29 ноя 2021
- Ashley Biggs was a Domino's delivery driver, who never returned from a delivery one night in 2012. The case was quickly solved, an ex partner, Chad Cobb, was having a bitter custody dispute with her. But what about Chad's partner, Erica Stefanko? Was she involved? In a secret recording kept for years, she says herself.
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me too
Same!!!!!
Erica: “I have always been a kind, loving, honest person - my whole life - if you don’t count the child abuse, one measly murder, and only one time taking a dump on my victim’s grave.”
she done it all with kindness and love
It was a love poo 🙄
Mostly peaceful protests are full of concerned citizens such as herself.
@@ktevans881 too much🤣🤣
Look how sweet she was to her husband's best friend while they were married and afterwards too.
"If me being found guilty helps people get through this than i can accept that"
Hell of a way of admitting guilt.
“Just blame it on me. I’ll take the blame if it helps…”
I can understand why he was so annoyed. Imagine how you would feel if the mother of your daughter just abandoned her and you brought your daughter up. Then the mother suddenly decides she wants to be a mother and the courts give her custody!!
The original judge that took the daughter away should go to jail.
Erica “I’m not a hateful person”
Also Erica “Do I feel bad about what happened to her? Not really”
Erica wasn't hateful, naw, she was EVIL. Worse than hateful!
Also Erica: *takes a dump on someone's grave
Also Erica: "here, eat this dog sh--" (to her own child)
“And watch me shit on her grave!”
@@meghang2599 not her own child, her step daughter
@@hollystiener16 Like a modern day Cinderella. Hope Grace finds her happiness now that this crazy, evil woman is gone from her life.
The daughter in this story has been through so much. As a baby was abandoned by her mother for a couple of years. Then warring custody battle between her parents. Her father murders her mother and is in prion. Horrific abuse by her father's girlfriend - who made her eat dog doo. After such an awful childhood I really hope she experiences some normality, friendliness and love.
@@CocoAvalon Ehhhhh This sounds different than that. She left right after the kid was born, did her own thing for SIX YEARS, and then demanded and somehow won full custody. Not like she was in the military and got pregnant. Doesn't sound like she saw her baby on leaves or did video calls. She took off. Yes, she abandoned her kid. The military was just her means of escape! People are always trying to deify military personnel. That's not gonna fly here, no matter how much you twist. If I were this dude I woulda wanted her dead too! Ijs
@@sunnydisposition7374 Well, aren't you cheerful. That poor child is traumatized and has been through a heII you will never understand, and yet here you are claiming she's going to turn out to be evil just like her parents? Seriously?
@@sunnydisposition7374Knowing no different creates just as equal chance of her never wanting to her own to suffer the way she's had to. Empathy man. Have some
@@sunnydisposition7374 Might want to change your name.
Agreed. The kids all around in this story are all the victims. Abuse happened to all of them, not just Ashley's daughter. I hope they looked into the new husband too, as he allowed this to happen.
As a pizza delivery driver, I dread this happening to me or any of my drivers.
Yea, about 15 years ago my brother was delivering pizza and got a gun put to his head when the customers opened the door; the ones who ordered the pizza thought someone else would be bringing the pizza. They ended up apologising to my brother.
@@forgottenpalace4472 an apology for causing mental trauma? Lol people are wild
@@Tsumami__ For real. Lol
I'm saying😭
and I was the one guy on your crew just begging for it to be me lol
Can you imagine being abandoned by your wife, left alone with a newborn, and raising her for 6 years before the bio mom comes back and just takes her back for full custody?? The shit fathers deal with in the court system, jesus
The family courts are heavily weighted in favor of the mother. And for good reason. They are very often financially less secure and more likely to be a sufficient parent by nature. The guy can try again with other women and usually do. Law is crude compared to the complexity of human lives but has been distilled down over many centuries to contain as much wisdom as could be fitted in. Nothing is perfect so you have to react with some wisdom of your own.
The trip to Walmart.. always an integral part of the story. Every single time.
So lucky that Walmart has all those surveillance cameras, inside and outside the store. They've helped crack open many a case.
The only thing missing is the video of them paying at checkout
Weirdo’s land
Always! Which is why I carry complete murder kit with me at all times.
It's so stupid to go to Walmart for burner phones cleaning supplies totes you know the typical murder Fare
Their hatred for Ashley was greater than their care for their kids...
Well she did abandon the child then showed up years later and used the bias evil courts to steal her.
*insert female dodging accountability meme here*
@@nailinpalin1477 biased evil courts?? chad and erica where awful parents and abusive. Ashley was a much better option. chad had domestic violence charges and ended up being a murderer. i'd say the judge made the right decision.
Military policy states if you're a single parent you must give up custody of your child until you finish training ect. I served 8 years. She didn't abandon her.
Edit: stupid look on your face meme
@@nailinpalin1477 my main point was the fact they abandoned all their kids through their actions. They chose a reaction that left children parentless over the point they had a child taken from them. This wasn't out of agony for losing a child.
yep
When she was talking on the recording about how she didn't feel bad for her that she died, the way she said not even what she experienced in her final moments, it sounded so much more like she experienced what Ashley felt at the end, that she knows specifically the kind of anguish she was in... it didn't seem like she was just referring to it in an abstract way. Unthinkable.
I absolutely love how they try to hide their faces from the camera when they're caught. They actually feel shame and carry out these ridiculous body languages despite everyone knowing exactly who and what they are.
Yes, it seems like they don't feel bad about doing what they did, only about getting caught at it!
😂😂😂 the police thought she was going for him 😅
People like this don’t ever feel any shame. Embarrassment perhaps, but not shame😠
This case is like when you're watching a movie and they seemed to have caught the villain, then you see there's still an hour left in it
Why did you edit your comment? What did it say before
Every episode of law & order
When the villain is caught before half-way, I always rub my hands and grab more popcorn.
This whole case is horrible:
One woman got away with her part for several years, somehow thinks she’s a victim and has done nothing wrong, was a child abuser, defecated onto Ashley’s grave, was massively instrumental to this entire plot. She really believed she was somehow a victim who did nothing wrong.
One woman knew about the recording for several years, held it aside as insurance, didn’t once say anything or tell anyone.
And one man who knew she was involved the entire time and didn’t say anything, knew a recording existed and didn’t say anything…
They were all disgusting people, Jesus.
One sign of severe narcissists is they are _never_ in the wrong. They're always the victim of other things, or it's someone else's fault, yadda yadda...
Just remember that the next time someone shirks culpability or attempts to act like a victim while having done something horribly wrong. ... basically most politicians.
I think this a case where everybody except the child is a problem Ashley joining the military and giving up custody only to demand custody when she returned stinks of a narcissist that didn't give a shit about anyone but herself. She is only a marginally better person than the killer and others that knew about the murder
Thank you for pointing that out.
@@nathangerrard9792 I'm betting she joined the military to escape domestic abuse. It's an absolutely foolproof escape and I know someone who joined for just that reason.
@@mitrovarr it's possibl he seems a domineering fellow but I don't think based on his relationship with Erica that he was physically abusive and even if he was would any mother leave their baby in that situation? Most mothers would die a million times over than leave their baby with an abuser
I read that when they went to arrest her they wanted to turn the sirens on but they thought it would be more insulting to let her know it’s not how it goes and she’d been worrying years about that for no reason ! 😂
Hey guys! This is from the future: Erica just finished her retrail that she was granted and a few moments ago the verdict came back, GUILTY again! This time even worse. She was found guilty of actually being there at the crime scene this time and helping to physically commit the murder! She is awaiting sentencing but boy oh boy, she at least had an opportunity to get out in 30 before... Now I don't they will ever let her free.
Niiiiiiiice!!!! Thanks! 😁
She didn’t know how to keep her self nice 😅
God, I hope not!😟
That's an epic case for being careful what you wish for. Also...karma.
"I've never been a hateful person"..... dumping on a grave is sooo normal Ericka.
We have to remember that came from a child as did the abuse details, etc.
I visited Soren Kierkegaard's grave in Copenhagen, and it was COVERED in piss and shit. Like, there was a fence around it, but you could see and smell it from quite a ways away.
I don't know why, but the man really did something to earn the ire of Copenhagen citizens 100 years after his death.
@@asphaltspreader that shocked me hearing that (what she done) as I have never hated someone enough to do that.
It is one of the most disrespectful, discusting things I have ever heard of in my life! What the hell is wrong with some people?? RIP Ashley..
@@stevem.o.1185 Who?
It’s crazy how you can not be in your child’s life for 6 years and then be awarded custody out of nowhere.
💯! The audacity she had to come back and just demand her daughter back! The judge who gave her custody is a moron
People say the gender bias is less than it was, but it’s damn hard to imagine the same would have happened if Grace’s father had left and enlisted. Still so horrendously sad for Grace. ❤️🩹
yeah, they should have given them shared custody at the very least, but to take her away from the only parents she knew for her whole 6 years to be with her bio mom, whom she never got to bond with, that's rough on kids, I feel bad for her.
I'm guessing there was a reason, we just aren't privy to the court documents
@@pencilandpaper8438 I mean to be fair... that was over a decade ago
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This is on the court system...Damn it just PISSES ME OFF TO NO END!!!
There was an interview with the teenage daughter late last year. She sounds like she is doing pretty good. She has been in therapy. She works part-time at a veterinary office, gets good grades in high school, and was about to start driver's ed classes. Those around her say she is very level headed. She wants to go to college and become a veterinarian. She does live with her paternal grandmother (Chad Biggs' mother).
Did you hear her testify at the trial? She keep the defense on their toes. But it was kind of disturbing how she said her dad did a not so nice thing as she testified for the prosecution.
Her mom definitely had a scat fetish. Poor thing had to deal with that insanity. (You can tell from her reaction when it came up that she was guilty as sin. It wasnt a look of surprise or righteous anger at a false claim. Its was head down shame) Well I have a crazy mother too actually so I can really sympathize, but luckily shes not in our life anymore. & I meant actually crazy & abusive, not "oh my mom is a little weird or overbearing".
That’s so amazing to hear it makes my heart happy ❤️
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@@frankmarano1118 The daughter literally just said ERICA made her eat dog feces, NOT her mother.
I'll never fully understand why ex spouses kill over custody issues. The children end up with no parents at the end of it because the living spouse goes straight to jail.
Yup and then look what happened Erica got her and made her eat dog feces 🤮
it’s one of those “if i can’t have them nobody can”
I think it’s 99% about child support. She got custody so he was probably paying a thousand or two a month to her. I also think that’s why his wife was hell bent on killing her….money.
Yeah it’s never really a solution no matter how they feel. Honestly though like a lot of systems in this country family court is bullshit and creates a lot of these situations by being incompetent. No should’ve died but it’s insane that that bitch ditched her daughter for her entire life but then came back wanting her and the judge gave he anything more than some scheduled visits. It should’ve taken years of her actually showing some effort and building a relationship for it to have gotten to a point of custody disputes. This situation was basically created because of that. Still didn’t need to go down the way it did but it’s ridiculous that Ashley got the custody that she did.
@@amazingsupergirl7125 He had custody for 6 years and then when she decided to be a mother he had to give the child back. That is total bull. This is a case of men's rights not being recognized. This case is especially appalling since the mother just neglected her responsibility for the most important years of development because she wanted to have fun in the army. If some women tried to steal my child after 6 years of me having custody for no reason other then she decided to be a mother again I would definitely be tempted to murder her also.
Why do I tear up everything you say “thanks for watching”. It just comes off as genuine gratitude!
I'm favorite is when he says "take care of yourself because.. I love ya!
I haven't finished the video yet. I'm surprised that the judge sided with the mom. He was the child sole provider and caregiver.
okay i'm right at the beginning still but as someone who used to be a domino's driver, seeing all the order stickers on ashley's steering wheel was gut wrenching...that's what i used to do with MY stickers. idk why but that specific detail felt like a gut punch. rest in peace babe. what a horrible story.
my husband used to deliver for Domino’s and something like this was always in the back of my mind because delivery drivers are so vulnerable to attacks. This woman didn’t deserve to die, certainly not this way
Babe? She abandoned her kid and then had the nerve to fight and win full custody of the child she wasn't there for. Being dead doesn't erase that, and neither does being in the army or whatever she joined. The judge in the custody case should be ashamed of himself!
@@_HimToo She shuoldn't have gotten full -custody after that - but, TBF the kids father was a domestic violence perp and then a murderer.
@@arawilson Exactly. And these people on here kicking the corpse were never there, didn't know the circumstances, were not privy to all that happened. And yes, good on you for bringing out the fact that violence was in the picture from the father. These people need a lesson in empathy. It's pretty disgusting.
I imagine every driver wonders if they're gonna run into someone who wants a side order of the driver's life to go with that pizza. It's a wonder they're not all armed. Them and Uber/Lyft drivers.
If really innocent of the crime, no one would ever say, *"If it's helpful for the victim's family to put the blame on me ... I can accept that."*
OMG right? I was like “ah shut it, you psycho!”
@@lauriedavis9650 😅😅😅
Yeah i was cringing watching her cringe 😬 She’s confusing what’s helpful with what’s justified. Or even, revengeful.
Yeah, not a great statement to make. It's up there with.
"I am not the kind of person that could have done this *generic horrible thing* "
Defecating on someone's grave is a pretty hateful thing to do thing to do and Erica said she's not a hateful person? Well that's pretty damn hateful.
I hope she brought her own TP.
"If it wasn't for the pooh stuff, I'd be starvin!" 😂😂😂😂😂
Mike cutting yourself off on every intro makes me laugh every time. Keep up the great storytelling. I really love how you spend time on the affected individuals not just the criminal
Me too! Some videos, he does it so obviously. It’s hilarious.
He is a nutcase 🤣🤣🤣👌
@@vxCOCOxv 0
@@vxCOCOxv everyone
Same
Erica- "If putting me in prison helps Ashley's family and friends in some way then I'm ok with it"
Me- "Definitely something that innocent person says"
"pizza time gone wrong" is the most hilarious summary that could ever have possibly been made of this story LOL
I gotta say. Mike's intros are always so entertaining lol makes me ready to watch each video lol His narrative is awesome and doesn't ever bore me . Most channels talk and talk and I get so bored. But Mike keeps me drawn in and he is so far my favorite crime channel. I only go to different channels if he hasn't covered a case yet but once he does I watch that one too lol
*Nice to see the jail sparing no expense to have Chad conduct his interview for court from the prison storeroom/broom closet.*
Ice bucket challenge money dried up
@Raven's Third Eye Readings 🤪🤪
Ha!
frankly I was just disappointed Chad wasn’t conducting it with bamboo shoots under his fingernails.
It always amazes me how completely stupid these murderers are. It's like they never watched a single episode of That Chapter
😅😅 facts tho
Anyone who watches 1 episode of That Chapter, watches every episode of That Chapter.
Or read the comments section…..we all get it 🤷♀️
Guy Smiley knows his stuff
I feel confident I wouldn’t make any silly mistakes.
How did I not come across your channel sooner?! I've been truly missing out. I love your whole approach and style of storytelling. Never stop creating!!
So good isn't he. Better than that coffeehouse dork.
I absolutely love your narration on the crimes. It’s informative and includes enough to make your own judgements. Please continue Mike you are fantastic.
mike is a great story teller, and to any staff that helps him put these video's together, you're on a professional level.
Agreed
He has no staff. Just hisself.
Mike is a one man show. Helluva job he does, too!✌😸
Him, Himself & Him…Gotta love the boi!🍀
Hit the 👍’s button 😉 Helps Mike’s YT numbers.
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That was quick!!! 😊
I can understand his being upset about wanting custody of the child he'd raised for six years, but did he actually think that leaving the child with no mother or father was a better situation, because that's what he got.It's almost as if some people don't take five minutes to mull over the actual ramifications of the stupid decisions they make.
There was 100% a GOOD REASON for her to be given custody if he'd had it that long. Judge's don't just uproot kids after 6 years for no reason. He probably got violent with Ashley or was arrested for assault, then that caused Ashley to be able to get custody.
The kind of parent who does something like this 1000% does not care about the child, not really. Having possession of the kid is what matters, since it’s a matter of winning to them.
Stop trying to put logic into the mentally ill, you'll just go round in circles.
The family court bias is responsible of yet another tragedy.
They should have just let the dad see his child.
@@CocoAvalon mothers will get custody 9/10 times in majority states regardless of what the father does even if he had custody for 6 years, in this case i will agree with you though cause he and his fiance was a PoS.
I truly adore your content. The proper amount of levity given the difficult subject matter. I appreciate all the work you do and your content is impeccable! I often have you playing in the background while I work, and sometimes when I fall asleep. Bravo Sir, bravo.
I needed to hear this. My names ashley and I just got an emergency protective order on Friday after taking and excusing bearings for 3+years. Just hearing them say my name and knowing very well my family will be going through The same thing if I keep going back is truly eye opening
Stay safe ❤️
What does taking and excusing bearings mean?
@@user-yh7qu5ju7ptypo “beatings”.
‘doo doo queen’ certainly caught my attention. hope all is well mike!
It is, thank you!
@Dawud Suleiman at first glance I thought you wrote "slut" 😅
@@Redhead-hz1sm he wrote slut in an Arabian accent.
@@GovernorRiffRaff im dead😂
Same! 😂
Well yeh- how would Chad be able to dump the car in a remote cornfield many miles away without an accomplice to follow and drive him back home? Actually, I can believe Chad when he said that he didn't strangle Ashley; probably held her down while Erica did it.
I agree
The cops didn't have enough to make it stick and if further evidence were to come out later like it did in this case, Ericka would be walking free as a bird right now because of double Jeopardy.
Chad, Erika and kids left their home in a car. Erika ordered the pizza and Chad got dropped off at the location. Erica left, so Ashley wouldn't recognize the car. Dunno if she took part in the murder, but the plan was to drop Ashley's car back at Domino's. However, the cops were already there so they dropped it in the cornfield.
really shows what a 'shitty' (staying with a theme) job the LE initially did. Didn't they wonder bout who gave him a ride back from the corn field?
Bro there's a guy that likes a woman and literally ran like 4 miles back home. That man killed her and now wanted some get back lol. The daughter had 8 years to come up with that vague testimony. I could've testified in that trial.
Every time I can’t find something decent to watch, I just search you up and try to find something I haven’t seen from you yet lol you’ve now risen to number one on my books!
Great job narrating all these stories Mike!!
I literally forgot it was Tuesday! Wow what a great surprise to have a new "That Chapter" case pop up on my screen 😍 YES Please & Thank you!
Thanks for watching!
That’s the best. When we aren’t expecting to have goo
@@ThatChapter Big fan. Enjoy ur fine storytelling and research, except the supernatural ones. If u could please make the intro a bit more closer to ur voice level. Peace and love.
It is Tuesday in Ireland and the United Kingdom 🙄
Same!
When you finished all the episodes Tuesday and Friday becomes easily your favorite days ;) thanks Mike
Thanks Ali!
Wednesday and Saturday morning here in Australia
If looks could kill
@Sam Antha We are here to get the story, it’s a plus that Mike makes them enjoyable. No one thinks the content itself is, but if true crime interests us then it’s best coming from Mikey!
@Sam Antha
Don't be like that.
You have a very wonderful unique way of telling stories. Thank you
I can't believe it 😮
I have watched EVERY EPISODE of That Chapter! How did I miss this one! Let's give it a goo 😂
Either way she knew the plan, could’ve prevented it but instead chose to make the call that set the whole plan in motion & for that she’s just as guilty as Chad is. What makes her worse is you can tell she genuinely feels like she didn’t do anything to warrant being punished, so I’m glad she is where she is because only a truly evil person would feel that way.
No
@@jeremygalloway1348 😐
@@jeremygalloway1348 tf is wrong with you
Yep. The getaway driver in a bank robbery is just as culpable in committing that crime as the one wielding the gun.
She said she didn't feel bad that she was dead and didn't feel bad for what she went through as she was dying. What kind of person is this?
“I was my worst self during my relationship with Chad.”
Goes on to lay a turd on a murder victims grade and then make a child eat dog faeces.
Exactly!! Do you notice how sociopathic she is? She doesn’t say “I was at my worst when I did what I did.” She mentions him as to take away from the responsibility of her actions. “I have never been a hateful person before.” Well she was hateful when she did what SHE did period.
Maybe she thought the child needed extra protein.😂 Apparently that's why dogs eat other dogs faeces, coz it has an unusually high protein content.
Discussing!!!
Disgusting...sorry
Yeah it's always someone else's fault with psychos.
Hi Mike so good to see you and hear your voice. You ,yourself, your personality is what makes this channel
Top notch ...love your narration. And the accent is spot on ...thankyou for sharing 😊😊😊😊
Fun fact: I used to delivery drive for Jimmy John's and we always had to deliver to a specific address, never to a parking lot or public area for safety reasons. I wonder if this case is why we had that policy.
May have been safety reasons or a limit on distance traveled for deliveries.
@@olliefoxx7165 ..also having an adress to go to court to if soneone orders 600 Pizza and wings it. At least a chance to identify.
its because people used to rob the drivers all the time. Not for money, but we would ALL order pizza over the phone, and have it delivered to a weird place. Take the pizza and run. Then there was the "returned pizza" scam. Because there were no computers or anything for the pizza places way back then, you could tell them anything. It's this even ant ones like it that made all the rules delivery drivers have to abide by today.
@Karen Saletrik pizza place in my town made 65 pizzas for a prank call.
Guy felt so awful that the manager and cook as well as worker who took the call got fired.
He offered to pay for the pizzas for their job back
@@herzkine That's ridiculous. Anyone can say any address. It doesn't necessarily mean the people at the address necessarily ordered it. Besides, huge orders like that-you need to call ahead. A lot of places also require a deposit. They won't even take the order without a c.c. number first.
I went to basic training at Ft. Jackson in 2007 with Ashley Biggs. I didn’t keep in touch with her and I didn’t know this happened to her until I watched this video this morning. This is so sad.
Dang, sorry to hear!
What was she like
Relaxin Jackson…
She should have been raising her kid instead of
I never understood how people think they can just get away with actions like this. There's camera on every corner everywhere. Phone and GPS records. Chat logs. Eye witnesses. There's no way to hurt anybody that way and get away with it. Whatever it is people need to get over it. Hurting someone is not worth throwing away your life in prison. Such a stupid thing to do.
Why am I so hooked on this channel? Love it!!
“Voted one of the 100 safest cities…around the same time this website was created…” HELP! 😂
That Chapter is always the best part of the day 🥳
Didn’t you mean week? 😉
@@BJSabet only if you watch just once a week. 😉
the news tv reports on the town being so boring were delightful as well
I was just thinking that it's about 3 months now since I found your channel. I was sick, in bed for 2 weeks, with an infamous virus and I felt so horrible that I couldn't read or watch anything so I would just listen to case after case. And I've been hooked ever since. 🙃
Glad you're better Sophie :) What did you think about that evil Ezra whittling on that guy's business?
Oh an infamous virus? I haven’t heard of anything going around. 😉❤️
@@amazingsupergirl7125 not me sounds worrying , you would’ve thought we would’ve heard something ;)
My addiction to Mike's brilliance was during the power hungry government"s covid-19 shutdown. Been hooked ever since.
@@GregBrownsWorldORacing Thank you!
Oh man, no words. Poor guy though. She's clearly disturbed. And I know I still have a lot more cases to get through.
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Mike I just started watching....wow great story telling!! Keep it up!
Not only do you get a nasty prison sentence when you kill someone, but you also get a video of Mike focusing on your love of feces and other unsavory things lol. Forever. As long as the internet is around.
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This video escalated quickly.
People get various nicknames in prison. I can imagine what she gets for the rest of her life.
And how she feels every time she has to take a dump. Or hear a toilet flush.
It's wild to think that she might have gotten away with it if she hadn't married his best friend and pissed him off
And then not confess the whole thing to the guys mother lol. I mean what the hell?
It really annoys me that the mother had that recording for years before bringing it to the police. Putting myself in the position of the family who lost their loved one, I imagine I’d be furious at that mother. You know someone was part of the murder plan and didn’t report them when you found out??
@@MitziMartin13 because that was the wife of her son. Who had custody of her grand daughter. The dad got pissed off for her abusing his daughter
@@billybobbobson3797 I understand that, but my thinking is, she could have went to the police right away to report that her son’s wife was part of the murder and then try to obtain custody of the grandchild herself. I don’t know if that’s something she wanted to do even, and I’m not saying she should have tried to get custody, just that I likely would have tried if it were my grandchild. I mean, she basically let her grandchild’s mother’s murder go without full justice for years. She did a disservice to her grandchild.
@@MitziMartin13 I'm wondering what grandparents rights are in that state. In NYS the grandparents have no rights at all. My sister cannot even get a copy of her 2 month old grandchild's autopsy report even though her son and his wife were living with her at the time of death. My sister is very suspicious but cannot get any investigation or anything because she has no rights.
Great narration
Really like a lot your coverages of cases. The humour and all ❤
Used to manage a papa John’s & this is exactly why we wouldn’t drive to “parking lots” or anything else… we had a guy robbed at gunpoint after agreeing to meet at the apartment parking lot 😞
Unless it inside at a business, apartment or home I would tell them no 🤣
Never understood why you’d wanna rob a pizza driver….you can’t be getting that much money from them 🤦🏼♂️
I'd like to know WHY, REALLY WHY Cindy waited an additional 4 frikken YEARS to go to the police with that recording.
That was an additional 4 YEARS of abuse by Erica that Grace, Cindy's First Born GRANDCHILD, had to endure!
Not the best maternal woman at all.
Actually no, Grace lived with her grandparents. They got custody when Chad went to jail.
I mean, she did raise a killer, so there’s that.
@@jennyedelson1596 then how was Grace so abused by Erica, that she was, among other things, forced to eat dog poop? Erica had all 4 kids.
It even said so in the video.
Didn't it? Gonna watch it again.
@@angeladee1463 true. But you can only blame the parent(s) of an adult killer so much. To a point.
I'm also thinking of Chris Watts' parents, ESPECIALLY that Karen of a mom.
She probably thought she could get locked up too, for covering it up, so she didn't say anything to save herself. I'm honestly surprised there is no mention of her getting charged with anything.
Always greatly told stories & always 'darkly' humorous with the sarcasm 🙌✌
Mike, you. are. amazing. I still can't believe this is a one man show. You are so talented!!
Watched all his vids and seen how he transitioned from awkward mike to this great dry and dark humour story teller. Confidence and personality really gave him an edge amongst other crime narrators.
Geez. He was never awkward just quirky. He’s still very quirky but now confident too
@@amazingsupergirl7125 calm down. That was my own observation and opinion. Im entitled to that. I don't mean that as insult to him. Just my observation. I'm glad of what he has done and is still doing. Cheers and have a great day.
I don’t see why Chad and his mom protected that woman for so long.
Because of the kids
@@debrakaiser7700 most likely, and her son probably also asked her not to get involved. But I’m guessing, but after the police is interested then that’s the time to give up the evidence otherwise it could just sit there gathering dust
Karmas a bitch💯living 4yrs with that fear🚨moving on married more kids being free feeling like she got away with it then taking it all away👍well Karma always comes around one way or another✊
@@alyryan2832 For real, make it sweet before the sting, then the salt. Karma is a motherf*****
@@whitedragoness23 ,
IN the cards as opposed to on the cards. Or on the table. LOL love your channel.
Thank you Mark
I have to admit, when Mike said "what's with her and poo"...I laughed embarrassingly loud.
I don't understand how these people think that if person A is arrested for a murder, that they're in the clear? like they're not going to spill the beans and get YOU arrested too? Like you think the person is just gonna be like "ah, you got away, good for you!"
I think he wouldn't have brought her name up if she hadn't married his best friend. All she had to do was not piss Chad off & it's like she went out of her way to do so.
Was Erica putting any money on his books?
Well I guess he kept quiet for eight years but her marrying his best friend broke his silence
@Wreck and Carey 💯💯💯
@Wreck and Carey that rule only works for organised criminals. These people are both just selfish idiots and clearly act out of anger and jealousy. There's no way people like that would ever stick to a code of silence 😂 they're too reactive and too stupid
I’m from Rittman, and wow. I’m surprised you covered this story!!
Mike and Bill Curtis, hands down are the best in the bussiness, they keep it interesting and have a wonderful knack for delivery of facts along with a compassion for the victims!
It amazes me how anyone who kills their ex that is the person they at one time loved enough to have children with doesn't ever stop and think what losing that parent will do to their children! They NEVER consider the children . So many selfish people 😒
Well to be fair , the kid didn't really know the mother that well.
There's far too many people having kids "accidentally" or just with someone who they're not really in love with or intend to be committed to for the long haul. It's among the root causes of a lot of the problems we have in our society
@@MrsKhylaBaby That's not fair at all. Not only is it a weak excuse for the trauma gained, but it could also imply Ashley wouldn't have been any better a mother than Erica.
If custody had stayed with the father, who had brought her up, she'd be alive today. Lessons to be learnt..
@@WarbandGames sad but true
I'm going to steal Erica's line from her sentencing hearing the next time I screw up. It's a great non-apology apology: "Hey, buddy, if it makes you feel better to think of me as the guy who borrowed your car and wrecked it, then I can accept that." "Mom and Dad, if it makes you feel better to think of me as the guy who flunked out of college, then I can accept that..."
Don't forget, "whatever doesn't kill me, better start running".
Lol
So, some judge thought it was a good idea to take a 7 year old out of a married couple's home and hand the kid to some stranger the kid had not seen since birth? That's some seriously traumatic stuff.
Hey Mike! Love ya too *wink*
The way you did the very ending of this def works for you! Take care 😉
What judge would give the child to a stranger?! 🙄🤷🤔 She wasn't a part of Grace's life for her formative years!
Because Daddy-Chad committed DV?
Presumably they felt she was in a better position to provide a safe and loving home. And daddy was a woman beater, so there's that.
@@mselizabeth2644 that was after the child was given back though. So obviously Chad was damn pissed off. Not to excuse it though. But the court system made a shitty decision that started a horrible situation.
Edit : still watching so maybe I should comment when I finish watching ha
@@mselizabeth2644 What do you mean with DV?
@@Xontor23 domestic violence
I feel bad for grace. That little girl lost her mom then dad and was stuck with the evil stepmother. And why didn’t the blood grandmother get custody? I hope Ericka has a horrible life!
I would guess the court thought having her with her siblings was important after she lost her mother.
I just ordered a t-shirt. That Chapter. Might get the "Let's give it a goo!'' one. Love the channel.
Mike covers horrific crimes, which show the worst in our fellow humans. Thankfully, he brings it with the right amount of levity, in the appropriate places, and makes that which is absolutely abhorrent, detestable, etc… somewhat easier to hear.
I get the feeling that when Mike tells to take care of ourselves and that he loves us, he really, truly means it.
I know. The occasional wink we get w/ it really seals the deal for me.
He sees you when you’re sleeping. He knows when you’re awake. He knows when you’ve been bad or good so be good for goodness sake.
How is that possible? Love is the emotional response to virtue...so how could he know what random people are watching his videos? By your logic he could be loving paedophiles, murderers, marxists and feminists.
@@jamesdanton9033 you forgot to say fascists
@@bjj9711 Them too.
Her Biggest Concern is that “Hearing Sirens, They Might Be for Me”, what a cold hearted and sick person says that. Given what she had done. What - No Remorse. 🙈🇦🇺
Right! She's purely rotten.
I just thought "oh honey the sirens aren't made to scare potential targets away." But good thing nobody told her.^^
I like the way you tell us about these unbelievable actions that people are capable of. Like the accent too.
Mike is truly amazing, I am totally addicted to his videos! It's all I watch!!!
I just feel so much sorrow for the daughter Grace that had to be a part of this, even though she didn’t ask for ANY of their ridiculous childish and criminal behavior.
I know all the stories you make videos are sad but your presentatio is always uplifting and the way you judge the killers and insult them with smart words is funny. I love your videos.
Exactly. Some channels make the killers out to be mysterious, cunning, geniuses but not here. He makes them out as the pathetic losers they actually are. ❤️🤟🏻
From Portugal : Go Mike. I love this channel. Brilliant Mike 🇵🇹
And We Love You Mike and Your Ol Video's! Peace Out! Much Love L'ill Brother
Like clockwork..
Every Tuesday, I get off of work, get in my car and open youtube to find a new video from That Chapter and I listen to it all the way home..it's become one of my favorite days.
I love you Mike and your channel, and thank you for all that you do. You're amazing💜
It’s like a mini celebration getting Tuesdays work over with 😍
@Shadow Of Wiggin Buy a radio transmitter for your car. It plugs into the cigarette outlet. You program it to match a specific radio station.. you pair your phone to this radio transmitter and then it plays the audio through your speakers. I did this when I had an older car that had no Bluetooth or any way to connect my phone. I always listened to RUclips with that thing. They really aren't that expensive either. You don't even have to plug your phone into it, but most of them do have this option so you can charge your phone too. At one time I had one that changed colors too, pretty cool.
Brandi…
So you’re watching while you drive? Hard to just ‘listen’.
That poor little girl, having her mom just take off and leave her, then coming back and taking her away from her dad and the home she’d known, then having her get killed, her dad in prison, and being raised by a monster. I hope she’s getting lots and lots of counseling.
Some people forget that Ashley won custody in court so there had to be a lot more going on than is known for that to happen. The courts don't just yank a child out of a stable home with a stable parent and life. After hearing what her stepmom did to her and her father was capable of doing what he did to Ashley there is a reason custody was given back to Ashley. I don't believe for a minute that Chad wasn't aware of what his wife was doing to that precious child. Her abuse was flagrant and continuous and he did nothing to stop it but people want to blame Ashley? Shame.
@@nineboz318 It also briefly mentions that there was 'domestic violence' between Chad & Ashley before the end of their relationship, which could've also been taken into account (particularly if there were any police reports to back that up).
It really has to be _something,_ because the courts do _not_ take 'abandonment' (which, based on this, it sounds like Ashley did when Grace was extremely little) lightly, & they _very rarely_ take the child from the only parent they've ever known (& give them to the one that left them) without real cause.
Perhaps Erica's abuse had something to do with it, it sounds like she had Chad wrapped around her little finger, possibly to the extent of knowingly letting her get away with abusing his daughter. But to play devil's advocate, it's not impossible to consider that he was abusing Erica if he could do it to Ashley (granted I'd imagine she'd bring that up during the trial if that was the case), we just don't have enough info to judge. I feel so bad for Grace, she was the victim here no matter how you slice it.
@@nineboz318 They do just yank a child out of a home if it is from the father to the mother. It essentially always goes that way. These same women sometimes sell their daughters virginity for more of their favorite flavor of copium. The woman is evil, plain and simple. Does she deserve to die? No, maybe not but she deserves some kind of hefty consequences for her unforgivable actions.
@@WorthlessBailey That's just factually incorrect. I know for a fact it doesn't always go the mom's way. First hand experience, since my husband and I have his three kids and his ex wife doesn't, even though she's tried. My friend wouldn't have had her kid taken away either if that was the case.
The misogyny in this comment is gross and you seem gross.
@@KyrieChii The fact that she joined the military suggests to me she was fleeing an abusive relationship. Women in abusive relationships are especially vulnerable when pregnant, in the first year after, or when attempting to leave. Joining the military was probably the closest thing to witness protection she could come up with.
If, as I suspect that was the case, it would make a compelling argument in court for granting shared custody -- which is what she was granted. That was probably less because the court thought Chad was a good person, and more because it would be extremely disruptive to a six year old suddenly not just have her mom in her life, but no dad.
It sounds like the custody arrangement was changed over time, so the court was probably monitoring the families closely, and Chad may have been worried that he would lose his remaining share of custody (which may have been in part due to his wife's actions), and so he killed Ashley, much as she likely feared he would all those years prior.
Thanks for sharing sad story great narrative MikeO O ,🍀💚👍
My first was also concerning what happened to the pizza. All that pizza wanted was to be eaten and enjoyed. No doubt a bunch of hungry, drooling cops were around it, their keen CSI senses skewing towards the front seat of the abandoned car, "Hey sarge, there's...definitely something going on in the front seat of the car that we, I, need to investigate."
OMG, Mike makes me giggle and smile during most of his videos, and today’s “old video” was no exception. Who else could incorporate the humor of pizza and poop into a dark story of murder without being disrespectful? No one else could pull it off! He’s a master at his craft. 🍕💩😂
I agree 👍💯
I know what you mean!
But watch out deary, Mike is spoken for by me! Lol 😝
I thought this was his first video where some of the jokes seemed out of place. Love Mike tho!
Well said!
Maybe Stephen King? but that would be fiction. After all when it comes to death in the end what else can you do but laugh, the alternative is less healthy
Every time I deliver to a business at night which is usually during the time I deliver, I’m going to think of this, thanks mike😂
The poo or the pizza
I do door dash and I often get worried, no matter what time of day or where I'm going, but I'm always armed and at night, I ride out with a buddy, just in case.
Great video Mike!! I'm so glad she got what she deserved, wish she had received more tbh. Pure evil.
You pick the best clips, Mike.