What do you think of the current state of Total War? What would you like to see next in the series? How would you feel about Star Wars: Total War, Lord of the Rings: Total War or on the Historical side of things maybe WW1 or would you place stock on CA doing Empire 2 / Medieval 3 decently? Let me know below! AND WELCOME BACK MELKOR!
I would be skeptical about medieval 3 being done right, but a medieval 2 remastered with the mod support of rome remastered would be dope. Modders could make maps spanning all the way to India or even China on the scale of imperium surrectum
I would love to see "real" version of Medieval Total War 3. But my bet is that will NOT happen. Because they would release game with 4 factions, then try to milk out one or two factions at a time as a DLC. So what I would take instead is: Total War: Conan of Cimeria (Conan Barbarian from R.E.Howard). From that I would pay extra from DLC factions... But Star Wars or 40k or some other "with guns" no. Not for me. Total War with guns, star ships and so on do not feel so great for me. I guess every battle would be a one planet but still. What I expect and wait for is: new engine. Engine better then Attila (sure it look great but even today it really REALLY suck). Engine where you actually use all these cores (I have 12-core/24-thread CPU) instead of only one or few.
@@TheTerminatorGaming Dawnless Days for Atilla is shaping up to be a decent LOTR mod. They’ve talked about shifting it to Troy to incorporate mythological capabilities for some of the more fantastic elements. It would seem like LOTR would be an easy CA win, since most of the mechanics are grounded in realistic combat.
@@StarWGamer Medieval 2 is still a legitimately good and enjoyable game. Same can't really be said for Empire 1, the flaws are so glaring (especially ai) and it's obviously more of a missed opportunity being such a good idea that was just poorly executed. Empire 2 all the way! Medieval 3 can come next.
@@DeeJy33 exactly and an Empire 2 would be really refreshing since all the recent games have been melee focused. Some bayonets and muskets wouldnt be bad rn
@@nathanvangeel3122 Makng Wh40k is just prolonging the inevitable (assuming they nail it). CA will need to sort it's issues out when it comes to historical titles or they are toast.
No, I'll disagree. It's like when Total War used to be the Roman Empire. And now, it feels like the Fall of the Western Roman Empire... And then we lament
As long as there's a fan base that eats it up, they'll remain content with mediocrity. What saddens me the most is that now they've already made a mediocre Rome 2 total war, so there's less interest in making a great one So as Medieval 3 shouldn't come out until they've got truly passionate people working on it, and calling the shots.
@tonywoutrs unfortunately CA are just another company controlled by bean counters and a marketing department. The designers and engineers don't get a say in it anymore.
They’ve always been like that, there is no reason Napoleon and Atilla should be their own separate games. What they did with Troy and Pharoah is what they’ve always been doing.
holy f*cking sh*t. YES PLEASE. Or atleast give me a remaster of Medieval 2, polish up some mechanics like me NEVER getting f*cking templars and I'm completly content.
The fans have been playing Lotr /warhammer mods for decades man. I guarantee you most people playing older games rn are using these mods. Now elder scrolls has a popular medieval mod so to say OG fans didn’t want fantasy Total war is false! lol
Absolutely, I'd really want either Empire II or a Pike and Shot Title. VIctoria Total War is also a good idea even though Im not sure how well it will fit the Total War formula.
Its a shame we wont get that Empire 2 or Medieval 3. I think it could get people interested if there could be a game that merges the indepth paradox system with the map and battles of TW. People hunger for big battles, and sieges. That's my kind of dream. But for now until a company can bring that to us i will have to do with 1212AD
1212ad is so half baked and has been in development for so long I can’t wait till it’s finished. I prefer playing Tsardorms or SSHIP with the freecam mod for medieval 2 till then
@imperatorsteve I actually really 1212AD.. Make sure you get the load order right. There are some other submods i run with it, too. The terminator has some videos on it.
Have you checked out crusader wars for ck3 and Attila currently you can play in vanilla time period with mk1212+others, late antiquity period with fire forged empires and fallen eagle and the war of the rings with realms in exile and dawnless days They just updated today for the recent dlc
I think that the guys who are working on Dawnless Days would have a complete mental meltdown since they are working on it for free for past several years... Tbh as much as i would like to see legit LoTR Total War,i somehow have much more respect for these people behind scenes of workshop who are the true lovers of the frenchize...they don't do it for money,and that one will always be the side worth of more respect. Beat regards!
Ever since Third Age got released I've wanted a lotr official game. My top pick would be. For fantasy lotr. For historical Empire 2 and then the cherry on top would be a remaster of Medieval 2.
As much as I would love an official LotR game, It would pain me alot to see it be mired in the current problems (imo) of their "current" game design. I really hope for some PROPER innovation with whatever title they release next, but most of their innovations just remove immersion because they cant do something right (ass ladders in sieges) or simplifying/gameifying fundamental campaign mechanics
@@Nyaxxy What do you mean simplifying or gamifying? Classic TW is nothing but rock paper scissor and yeah it didn’t have the UI showing stats but it’s all there, those games were way easier than what they are now. You can’t say sieges were so great when all people do is camp inside the walls not even using them. The warhammer TW plays exactly like tabletop that’s why it’s so beloved by that community so it’s understandable why y’all wouldn’t like it.
No, CA cannot make a LoTR game. Embracer group has the rights to lotr games, there is simply no possibility of a sega company like CA doing a lotr game unless sega buys lotr rights or embracer group buys CA. It wont happen
Old guard Total War fan here. Been playing since the days of the original Rome. The old original historical Total War is probably gone now. They haven't released a serious historical Title since Attila, maybe excepting Three Kingdoms. I couldn't care less about Warhammer to be honest and I'm a bit disappointed with the state of affairs for my all time favourite video game series. If you'd asked me back in 2015 I would have bet that by now we would have had either a pike and shot title an Empire II or a Victorian Total War ... Unfortunately, I don't see that happening for some reason.
Agreed. Atilla was the last game I ever played more than 1,000 hours of. The franchise has ruined this flavor for me. Actually am splitting time between Rome 2, Atilla, and Med 2 right now. It's sad how far I have to go back to feel that feeling again. I used to tell my boss/family "Don't call me/talk to me for a few days" on release dates. Hasn't happened since Atilla.
@@shmekelfreckles8157 Τhe only historical Total War I haven't played is "Pharaoh". Arguably, it is semi-historical and basically an expansion to Troy total War, which I own.
Yes. Warhammer was successful because of the setting. It blinded them to the many issues and terrible features they introduced. There is a reason basically every other game they made following that formula was a complete flop.
warhammer community literally defended the jank of creative assembly by saying "oh well, we have dragons, orcs, rats and magics and shit, just ignore the fact our musketeers don't have reloading animations and our fort battles sucks ass!". now CA got comfortable releasing dogshit
Well let’s not pretend that over half the TW community has been playing fantasy mods for decades.. maybe you haven’t but a lot of us have so that only signals to CA to make fantasy games. It paid off too as their flagship title and it is still the most popular warhammer game on steam for a franchise that is exploding in popularity.
Uuuuuuu Russo Japanese war would be interesting,i just dont know how much anything else than that conflict in that region could do for that tittle of new Total War...but yeah,that war would definetely be interesting
My unbiased take is that I think there is a stronger case for Med 3, that being said I would gladly take a empire remastered that on top of a fresh coat of paint, fixes battle AI to be able to properly form line infantry formations, Other AI and bug fixes. Expand the modding capabilities to make map edits, and possibly expanding on content or features that couldn’t make it into the original. Ferral have proven themselves very capable and the best case scenario would be CA cooking Med 3 with feral cooking an empire remaster.
MELKOR is the only guy who actually made a change in Total War, making everybody play RTW to make ratings high which brought the effect of CA announcing Rome Remastered
I think that Total War new modding content on YT is getting really dry lately, and the longer I have to wait for the MK1212 campaign map update the sadder I am, but at least you’ve found the motivation to get back to TW content, keep up the good work mate!
the problem is how would 40k combat would work, the main appeal of total war series majority is the melee combat, 40k would be just a copy of company of heroes when put into action. you could argue empire/napoleon, but those were musket combat, where it's still close line-by-fire. that's why warhammer fantasy worked, it's all still melee. This is the same dilemma for those requesting for a ww1/ww2 total war rts like, we already had other games that does that. they need to rebuild their attila engine before the "arcady hero-engine" that came after.
Does replaying the same older titles either vanilla or with mods count as moving on? 🤭 I consider myself a huge Total War fan yet haven't played more than 20 hours of any title CA has released in the last decade.
Remake medieval 2 with armor/weapon upgrades changing unit visuals also completely redo the diplomacy system to at the very least 3 kingdoms standards Change absolutely nothing else and viola you have made a good game
Antiquity, Medieval and Empire/Napoleonic era are the only time frames that I care to play in. Bronze age TW, Modern TW or Fantasy TW are completely uninteresting to me.
I think the next historical game should be a gunpowder title either Empire 2 going into the late Victorian era at end game or a game that ranges from say 1453-1700 or so but in either case the game needs deeper campaign mechanics on the map side.
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Very useful informative video! I'm a veteran TW player and after years of being fed up with CA i was on the brink of abandoning the franchise. At the last moment PHARAOH DYNASTIES came out and i really enjoyed it. It was a good game in the right direction that redeemed a lot of mistakes. I believe we are not destined to get Medieval 3 but there is still hope at the end of the tunnel. Personally, I'm a very good player of historical titles and would like to see more, there's so much potential there. A Napoleon 2, Shogun 3 or Medieval 3 game would be a great addition along with a game about the fall of the Roman Republic or a better 3 Kingdoms game. I long to see this dream realised.
there is no future for the next total war games.Why ?. Because there are different people working on them , that dont understand what total war game should have been.
I feel like Warhammer 40K could work in a sector with a limited amount of planets, and have the map be like Empire, diferent areas = diferent planets to interact, with each planet focusing more on a certain type of resource or bonus that might benefit the Humans, Orkz, Nyds, Aelves or Necrons. I'd also would like to see a full randomized starting position as a campaign option to put the whole GRIMDARK and TOTAL WAR into play with a new story to unfold every new game. As per historical games, for WW1 they could kinda split nations into two or three factions, like Easter, Wester, African and Asian fronts and the diplomacy would entail seeking help from other warlords in china and africa, american help or the backup of other European nations into the war. But BEFORE any game can the even thought about or brought through fruition, they need to invest into a new engine and figure wheter they'll stick to the new "many resources" as currency, or return to the simpler "gold". I myself would really enjoy the need to trade resources in games like Empire 2 or even Total "World" War (such as oil, steel, tungsten or industrial output resources). For a possible 40K, AoS, LotR or SW fantasy game I'd say keeping it to a simpler economy, aka just gold like the warhammer ones we already have woudl feel better and be easier to implement.
Medieval 3 would have the biggest potential when it comes to DLC. Spanning a time period of 400 years (1066?- 1453) we have: - The Crusades (Expansion DLC) - Religious Orders (Teutonic, St. John, Templars, etc) as playable factions (Flavor Pack DLC) - Warfare: Introduction of Gunpowder in war - The Discovery Age (Major Expansion DLC) where they can focus on Colonization in the Americas (Central America with Spain vs Aztecs and other factions) - India (DLC) : Discovery of India by Portugal and conflicts between Portugal and the smaller Indian kingdoms (there were plenty, and the Portuguese massacred quite a few) (Major Expansion DLC) - Trade (something like Merchant Republics) (Flavor Pack DLC)
I think a game about Romulus and Remus would be sick, like an older rise of the republic but more tribal and petty kingdoms. But medieval 3 or a renaissance/empire game would be my first choice
@@GoDon_Play and yet they devote time to save pharaoh which sold even worse than any 3k dlc. CA lost all my good will, and new Warhammer crap isn't earning me any goodwill.
@@Wha2les I think the purpose of saving pharaoh was to try and curry favor. I don't think it was for sales, it's so when not die hard fans see the next Total War they will thing "Well CA saved Pharaoh, I'm sure it'll be good" and what not.
What does it say about CA that we should lower our expectations!!! What I expect for my money is a finished product! I have lowered my expectations however that it will ever happen though, also a lower expectation I have is that they will ever provide a decent addition to the Historical genre. Looking forward to the Mod updates. You are looking Spiffy BTW!!
On the upcoming games, I'm honestly not sure how to feel. Over the years the games look better and better, but feel like they are missing more and more. Features and mechanics feel like they are getting removed or simplified in every TW, and despite the vast majority of gameplay taking place on the strategic layer, it is getting more simplified and "gamified" with every release. A lack of real depth in mechanics and the real lack of consequence of battles with the replenishment systems really makes me unimmersed in the campaigns of more modern titles, with me returning to play older titles or mods like Divide et Impera for Rome 2 for some proper strategic layer depth. I think the games are becoming more accessible to reach new audiences, but in doing so, they alienate their core audience. I really want a solid game with good battles and a really involved and complex strategic layer, but I know for a fact that isn't going to happen, and that really sucks. Besides on a more wide game industry note, AAA studios are releasing more and more games in a poor state with the "fix it later" mindset and its a trend that CA have been continuing since Rome 2, so I honestly don't have any confidence that any major release that comes out next year will be in a finished and polished state.
I would very much like to see Warhammer Total War start to develop naval rules. The old trope where an army steps into the water and morphs into sailing ships is just ridiculous. And then two navies fight a naval battle...but finding a convenient island to fight a land battle, is beyond stupid. Naval battles in Empire were awesome, imagine dragons flaming whole navies while dwarven steam cannons blast them out of the sky.
I desperately want Empire 2, but I think a WW1 Total War could be done well provided it doesn't restrict itself to just WW1. Start it in the later half of the 1800's when rifles were really overtaking muskets, repeating weapons were being used, and warfare was being industrialized. Have the game spent trying to develop and industrialize your nation with trade being VITAL to that, not just an extra income source. Then, have mechanics progresse so that as tech advances and alliances get firmed up, the end game threat is a massive industrial world war of alliances dragging their partners in.
Something between Medieval and Empire - with a zoomable world that allows for more cities/settlements in the spirit if Thrones of Brittania. Great soundtrack with Promontory in the background.
Saying that you want a strictly positive yet also honest discussion about something, especially when talking about the state of CA and Total War, lets the other party know from the start that the discussion is absolutely not going to be "honest".
Personally, Medieval 3 is the last TW game I will buy (and dependent on reviews). I think the formula has run its course and 40K, SW, WW1 and 2 etc require a new formula which is lightning in a bottle, maybe more likely to come from a plucky underdog indie studio. Nothing has matched my enjoyment of Medieval 1, twenty years ago
In WW1 there aren't that few factions: You got the obvious one: - France - Great Britain - Russia - Germany - Austria-Hungary - Ottoman Empire - Italy - Japan - USA It is more playable factions than Napoleon. If you wanted, you could also have Serbia and the Arabian revolt. You could also have some of the colonies as separate factions, such as the ANZAC corps or African colonies, but I'd rather have them inside the factions of the colonizer nations to add more variety to the roster. The problem is more that WW1 in Europe had very static frontlines, specially in the Western Front, while Total War has always been about taking great expanses of territory quite fast. I don't know how would you balance that typical Total War gameplay whle still making it reasonably like WW1.
I miss naval battles. If I was ever able to go into the military, which I can't because of a shunt in my head, I would want to be in the navy. I always loved the water. I really wished they would do a sort of sandbox pirate centered total war where you can create your own faction
I personally think they could do something with the early 1400s going into the late 1600s and frame it as a medieval 3. It would be nice with all the changes and advances WH3 and Pharaoh dynasties have, I think early on having more melee based units to start with basic firepower leading to eventual line of fire and with cavalry tactics could be used. War wagons, armor cleaving weapons, heavy cav, it’s all there
I personally believe Empire 2 or WW1 would be CA most likely choice for upcoming historical TW because they've been explore and expand alot of their mechanics to gun-using units in their latest WH3 DLC.
Medieval 3 or empire 2 will satisfy historical players, but I’d also have interest in Victorian era, age of renaissance/ discovery as well as a 1600s pike and shot era and circumnavigating the globe , but there is a big chance warhammer 40K might be next
I have played the total war franchise since the original release of Rome total war and it hard not to feel more and more let down with each new release. 3 kingdoms was the first one where I requested a refund and pharoh was the first one I refused to buy outright. Until they announce a new base engine I will continue to be skeptical which is sad, total war used to get me so hyped when they announced new games. If they dont announce a new engine I think their safest play would be medieval 3.
It's seriously overplayed in total war mods. If there's something modders will never do better than CA devs, is the music. At least most of them allow vanilla music to remain as options when installing them
Whatever they do on the historical side, please for the love of f*** stay away from the heroes aspect. I don't want to play a historical game where I can take one guy and beat a bunch of units with that one guy. Get with those mods that have made AMAZING mods, and see what they can do with helping!
Please just make a Renaissance Total War! Like start Date something around 1518. or maybe even earlier. But then the succession in spain and austria is gonna be harder. But Please bruh Id so buy such a Game. (IK theres Eu4 and i love Eu4, but a Total War Game would still be Great!)
Tbf the fantasy side of the business is also in a pretty rough place. A lot of people have checked out, the RUclips content has become stale and most people are just doing other things until an DLC that appeals to them comes up.
For me as a total war vet of about 20 years the perfect historical game setting would be Empire 2 1600-1890 and fantasy Game of Thrones or Lord of the Rings 🙌👌🔥🤙
You would need one hell of a tech tree for that, and either a new engine or the Rome/Medieval one, because those had events or just programming that allowed you to upgrade units and/or prevented you from recruiting certain units past a certain date. Not necessarily opposed, but I would narrow the time period considerably. A mid 18th century game (Say, 1740-65) on a new map, 1 turn = 1 month (So, around 300 turns) would be my pick. Or an ACW game.
1600-1890 spans too many eras of combat. You start in pike and shot then to the musket age and ending close to WW1. you need a more focused setting so they can try to get it right - otherwise you're playing age of empires.
@@Badnercalabrese the first empire also started late Pike and shot era and the late Victorian era you’d literally only need to add breech loading rifles and you can still keep the same liner warfare system. It would literally be a case of adding the weapons like the early muskets from shogun 2 main campaign then the main aspect of Empire and Napoleon total war and then the tech from Fall of the samurai..simple
If Remake = Medieval 3, Empire 2 or Rome 3 If new time period = 1800s/ Civil War Because if you enter a time period in where soldiers lose formation, It will become a whole different game. Any future total war has to keep unit formations.
Empire 2! All the way from end of pile and shot era to 1850! Full world map of course and build on the diplomatic options from the original. Make navy battles great again, and let amphibious battles be a thing again, pls! Colonizing the Americas, Africa, the far east.. oh my god it could be sooo good😭
An Alexander Total War is such an obvious choice that nobody seems to be considering. He is the most influential man of antiquity if not of the entire history. I really hope we get an Alexander DLC at least in a Rome III title.
Regarding WWI, I always thought that would be awesome. But you bring up some food points campaign wise that I never thought of. Could be interesting how to resolve that. Might have to do something like Hearts of Iron where you choose whether to keep it historical or not.
I have had a personal renaissance for the older historical games - went back to Rome and Medieval II and recently and have been having my best total war experience of all time - specifically with Medieval II. I would love to see CA reinvest into making these settings great again, but am truly concerned about the competency and don't want to see them start with Medieval III or Empire II. Need a confidence builder first.
I think that knowing the dynamics inside the company from the latests years, and knowing how much of a flop Hyenas was, basically like a 50 millions investment gone which should have been invested towards another AAA historical title. I believe that the management of the company believes that historical titles are not as profitable anymore (which I disagree, you can have a similar dlc policy like warhammer, you just need to release a game so good that players will return to it) that there is no public for it, so they will probably double down on fantasy. I dont think they would do the investment necessary for a AAA historical title after the hyena financial blow, with all the ads, and just making a great game that people want to play, an empire 2 or medieval 3. I think they are gonna go for the short cycle quick cash grab. My guess is they are going to bring a good quality 40k game, while making a trash historical title on the side. I wish they prove me wrong and bring a legendary empire 2 or medieval 3. But to do those games properly they should leave the general tendency of the total war games towards dumbing down the games, Warhammer total war for me is unplayable without SFO, since the vanilla games have such a terribly simple economy and everything, and if they did empire 2 or medieval 3 and make it a good game they should lean more towards Paradox and bring more techs, more diplomacy, more economy, policies, etc, to add nuisance so that old players from those games see something actually new. If they dont add nuisance to these things it will feel just like a remake of those old games with better graphics, and thats probably going to fail. If I was the CEO, I would do a trilogy of historical games, similar to warhammer, with DLC's and so on that would take the trilogy starting with a medieval game from the 1300 to 1500, then the second game would be like Pike and shot kind of game, 1500-1700 and lastly Empire 2 total war. The warhammer formula was a success from a business point of view and they should aim to replicate that. And you just have to lean towards Paradox kind of complex techs, policies, political system, etc.
Fuck their dlc policy, that is what incentivizes them to make trash, so they can lock good features behind a paywall when it should’ve been there from the start
I kinda unfortunately disagree on the profitability front. They've a track record of simplifying and making the games more and more accessible which they think leads to more players, but total war and strategy games in general arent "mainstream" games. They've a very specific audience and with the erosion of confidence in the products that have been delivered and the simplification of the strategic and battle layers of the games, I don't honestly know how much of their core audience is still onside. A fantasy title like Starwars, Game of Thrones, LotR, 40k would be probably more profitable as it's bringing in interest from an established IP and their fanbase. The argument of 3 Kingdoms can be made but I find that a very nuanced situation where the majority of it's audience where chinese players who likely bough and played the game because of the setting. Which in a way has more parallels to a fantasy title in terms of bringing in a large audience who otherwise wouldnt have much interest in the franchise. And you're absolutely right to touch on their poor investments, Hyenas and less so, Pharoh. This is going to affect the player in a less polished product at launch due to less dev time to meet financial deadlines, or more aggressive DLC pricing/practices. Either way, its definitely funding that really was needed to overhaul their engine and technology. If I was the CEO I'd likely get a license for a big IP that wouldnt require a vast amount of engine changes/innovation to get working, probably GoT or LotR. It'd be "easier" to develop those games than 40k/Starwars as those would require a much grander scale and both pre and post production. Seeing the dev issues with the TWW 1-3 due to technical debt of the engine across 10+ years of development, I'm not sure that they'd do another Trilogy of games that interconnect again.
I have been playing TW since the OG Shogun. I have a really hard time understanding why the fans are reserved about Pharoah Dynasty edition. I was sceptical a first, but bought on a Steam Sale. I am totally blown away, in my opinion - as a guy that actually played it - it is way up there among the great TW games, such as Attila. Guys, give it a chance, you will find it mindblowing.
CA sold out on the historical crowd, they don’t care about making a good game for them anymore because to do that their model of milking people for all their worth with overpriced dlc won’t work. Any new historical game needs a new engine and way better Ai, and that’s not gonna happen with CA. They just don’t care about historical tw anymore, whatever they make will be rushed, barebones, and $70. It’s far more profitable for them to continue milking the warhammer crowd since their conditioned to being held hostage for overpriced product
I don’t understand why CA hasn’t made a Medieval 2 Remastered yet. It’s a project many people would love, and it seems like a safe bet. There’s little risk of losing money-the game would sell like crazy if done right.
I think WWI would work if it was within Empire 2, if Empire 2 is to be about the Victorian Era. You spend most of the game in the latter half of the 19th century and the beginning of 20th building your empire, the games final 6 years can be relegated to WWI. I think it would be a pretty sick conclusion to the campaign especially with it ending with the Treaty of Versailles. Either way, CA has a chance of gaining my trust again but they need to do Empire 2 or Medieval and it needs to be done the right way.
I was there when total war (Shogun)...was born...( God I'm getting old) And checked out after Attila... If CA comes with Empire 2 a Victory tw or an age of discovery ( pike &shot ) tw ... I will jump back in until that time will play the old games with mods (ad 1212 ,Dei , ..)
In addition, unlimited modding capability for players and modders who, in the 15 years since the game's release, have had to make their own mods while searching for a suitable mod for the game and have become experts in 18th century history in the process.
Make Empire 2, and do it the easy way. Just remake Napoleon with the whole world in the 1700's. Auto unit replenishment and everything else in Napoleon style. I think people would love it, and nobody has to reinvent the wheel and mess it up.
It's true that Napoleon fixed a lot that people complained about with Empire. But it wasn't perfect. (Fewer playable factions, a lame tech tree) I know I'm a minority, but I'm not for a 'whole world map'. (Though by all means expand it a little) How long do you think it would take CA to create that PLUS design rosters for a gazillion factions? Also, it complicates balance. You would have to give a ton of land to Spain in SA, so they could potentially get huge fast. TW already has a problem in some titles with factions in the corner of the map becoming extremely powerful when controlled by the AI. (Almoravids in Medieval 2, Marathas and Sweden in Empire) I like the fact that France and Spain are divided into more regions in Napoleon. I like the rally and inspire abilities that generals have, and appreciate that it's smoother to move ministers around, and way more effort was put into historical accuracy re: uniforms.
I've been feeling demoviated from total war, because I don't know what it is but it feels like burnout. Like I've already played so much I used to come from school/collage and play it religiously. Now if I get the mood to watch an Epic History TV doc or something, yeah sure that's great. But now, total war modding is going to go into an golden age. Trust me on this. We just have to be very patient and I mean VERY patient because mods like these that are developed, 1212, 1100 AD, DD etc, take a lot of time to make obviously. In the next 5-10 years, I'm cancer free and have a family. When I have kids, they'll be exposed to total war mods that are coming out. Just like when I was younger, I used to see these big complicated mods of Roma Surrectum II, Europa Barbaroum and I remember going to buy copies of RTW and installing them back when PCs had discs. Nowadays they don't. Give credit to the total war modders - the fact that total war is in a lull, a stagnation phase, yet from the very days of Rome itself, some have gone, some have left, but there has always been an resiliant base of total war modders that haven't given up. And now, with me having grown up it makes me feel sad. There was a point when I was a kid and I just used to enjoy playing total war, and now it'll be my next generation that'll enjoy it. I feel like a lot of us were all kids at one point enjoying total war. And I'm the 96' generation lol.
Two types of fans: Total war fans- want inspired games, enjoyment hinges on game mechanics and immersion The Redditor consumers - will buy and play any game put in front of them and will get mad if you criticize the games
I so want an Empire 2 or Medieval 3, but I am also so anxious that it will come out to be a huge disappointment given CA's current track record. The next historical title must be AMAZING for the players to regain their confidence in CA.
I've "walked away" in the sense that I only play Rome 2: DeI and Attila 1212, I've tested the Warhammer TW series, I've tested Troy, and the battles have become overly arcade-y so I have bought 0 Total War products since 2016. If they put out a decent historical title without hero units, and a return to the older style of real-time battles I might actually spend my money on it. If
A medieval 3 with historically accurate duchies would be great. We have playable factions and non playable factions. You can choose to vassalize the duchies for higher economy and good production or directly conquer them for stronger military at the cost of slower economy
The top requests are medieval 3 and empire 2, tbh out of the three pre-warpath engine games medieval is the only one left, that is the main incentive, just the question of how it will look with the "new" engine (ill tell you, a copy of rome 2 with medieval assets). And empire 2 could be an awesome return if done right and if encompassing the right historical events, kind of doing a massive gunpowder TW, from the american indepence war to the napoleonic wars, 1775-1815, but no one gets away from the rome 2 template.
It's about time for a Pike&Shotte TW. 1550 -1750....Multiple wars in Europe, two heavyweights : ECW AND of course the TYW which spanned over most of Europe..major powers all involved somehow....and it could be done rather quickly as we have already TW Medieval and Empires...just need to fill the slot in between...
I wish they would focus more on historical titles. It’s not a particularly hot take, but I think it could be so simple. Just develop good historical titles and a massive swath of their fan base would be more than pleased and would be much more willing to go along with whatever CA felt the need to work on. But I’d really love to hear your thoughts on a much broader topic. On a macro scale, what are your thoughts on the current state of affairs between gamers (consumers) and the developers? It could even be more specific; what are your thoughts on the relationship between strategy gamers and developers? It seems to me that the consumer has woken up in a big way and seems more or less poised to take a more rigid stance on what they expect from their developers. The big example that continually comes to mind is Helldivers and their stance against Sony just a little while ago. There are arguments to be made that it didn’t actually work, but we did see a massive corporate structure change in response to consumer demands. Maybe plenty of people have touched on this already, but I haven’t seen it, plus I value your opinion more because I’ve followed you for a long time and would say I agree with most of what you’ve said and have always loved your content. Anyway, big question, but if you could find the time to respond in any way I’d love to hear your thoughts. Thanks!
What do you think of the current state of Total War? What would you like to see next in the series? How would you feel about Star Wars: Total War, Lord of the Rings: Total War or on the Historical side of things maybe WW1 or would you place stock on CA doing Empire 2 / Medieval 3 decently? Let me know below! AND WELCOME BACK MELKOR!
I would be skeptical about medieval 3 being done right, but a medieval 2 remastered with the mod support of rome remastered would be dope. Modders could make maps spanning all the way to India or even China on the scale of imperium surrectum
not to sure if medieval 3 would work out but i am interested in just a medieval 2 with workshop support and better graphics
there will not be a etw2 etc till at least the 2030's or 2040's at the earliest. to many other projects and the like happening.
I would love to see "real" version of Medieval Total War 3. But my bet is that will NOT happen. Because they would release game with 4 factions, then try to milk out one or two factions at a time as a DLC.
So what I would take instead is: Total War: Conan of Cimeria (Conan Barbarian from R.E.Howard). From that I would pay extra from DLC factions...
But Star Wars or 40k or some other "with guns" no. Not for me. Total War with guns, star ships and so on do not feel so great for me. I guess every battle would be a one planet but still.
What I expect and wait for is: new engine. Engine better then Attila (sure it look great but even today it really REALLY suck). Engine where you actually use all these cores (I have 12-core/24-thread CPU) instead of only one or few.
@@TheTerminatorGaming Dawnless Days for Atilla is shaping up to be a decent LOTR mod. They’ve talked about shifting it to Troy to incorporate mythological capabilities for some of the more fantastic elements. It would seem like LOTR would be an easy CA win, since most of the mechanics are grounded in realistic combat.
"All i want for christmas is Empire 2"
and all I want for christmas is medieval 3
@@StarWGamermedieval 3 is going to be playing as France, Germany, Britain, then they will release 10 DLCs with the rest lol
All I want for Christmas is shogun 3
@@StarWGamer Medieval 2 is still a legitimately good and enjoyable game. Same can't really be said for Empire 1, the flaws are so glaring (especially ai) and it's obviously more of a missed opportunity being such a good idea that was just poorly executed. Empire 2 all the way! Medieval 3 can come next.
@@DeeJy33 exactly and an Empire 2 would be really refreshing since all the recent games have been melee focused. Some bayonets and muskets wouldnt be bad rn
If they were in touch with their fanbase at all, the only games they'd be working on would be Empire 2 and Medieval 3.
But they’re out of touch with us so even if they were working on those games they’d still make them based around hero’s/characters lol
But they’re out of touch with us so even if they were working on those games they’d still make them based around hero’s/characters lol
The Warhammer titels are the highest selling games by far (only Three Kingdoms comes close). So making a 40k game would make the most sense.
@@nathanvangeel3122 I think if they made an LotR total war it would blow everything else out of the water
@@nathanvangeel3122 Makng Wh40k is just prolonging the inevitable (assuming they nail it). CA will need to sort it's issues out when it comes to historical titles or they are toast.
Total war genuinely makes me sad. Its like watching an old friend become a bad person. You cherish the memories but just can't deal with it anymore.
Master Vrook: It is not as it was...
Master Zez-Kai Ell: But perhaps that is for the best.
No, I'll disagree. It's like when Total War used to be the Roman Empire. And now, it feels like the Fall of the Western Roman Empire...
And then we lament
As long as there's a fan base that eats it up, they'll remain content with mediocrity.
What saddens me the most is that now they've already made a mediocre Rome 2 total war, so there's less interest in making a great one
So as Medieval 3 shouldn't come out until they've got truly passionate people working on it, and calling the shots.
@tonywoutrs unfortunately CA are just another company controlled by bean counters and a marketing department. The designers and engineers don't get a say in it anymore.
They’ve always been like that, there is no reason Napoleon and Atilla should be their own separate games. What they did with Troy and Pharoah is what they’ve always been doing.
Thanks for the shout-out Terminator!
It's good to be back : )
Missed your very much bro!
"Welcome Back, Son of Rome." - Rome TW Remastered Trailer.
medieval 3 give us medieval 3!
There's already a great mod for that.
@@Waldemarvonanhalt mk1212? Because I love it if that's what you are gonna say 🔥
holy f*cking sh*t. YES PLEASE.
Or atleast give me a remaster of Medieval 2, polish up some mechanics like me NEVER getting f*cking templars and I'm completly content.
Medieval 2 is my favorite Total War game, but please, lets go forward
Let's be honest, CA will ruin Medieval 3
If Creative Assembly actually cared about the fans that made them who they are, they would give us Medieval 3.
Sadly the fantasy/Warhammer fanbase is bigger :(
Do you REALLY want Current CA to make Med 3? It will not end well.....
The fans have been playing Lotr /warhammer mods for decades man. I guarantee you most people playing older games rn are using these mods. Now elder scrolls has a popular medieval mod so to say OG fans didn’t want fantasy Total war is false! lol
@@Robin-sf3gkbecause the new Generation ist gay
"We want Empire 2" is the majority
Medieval 3 - it is correct)
Absolutely, I'd really want either Empire II or a Pike and Shot Title.
VIctoria Total War is also a good idea even though Im not sure how well it will fit the Total War formula.
Empire definitely isn't majority....I would prefer medieval 3 or game between 1500- 1750
@@hocestbellumchannel
I Prefer Friedrich TW😂
You guys. Have some ambition. Total war from the fall of Rome to the late 19th century. Let's go.
Its a shame we wont get that Empire 2 or Medieval 3. I think it could get people interested if there could be a game that merges the indepth paradox system with the map and battles of TW. People hunger for big battles, and sieges. That's my kind of dream. But for now until a company can bring that to us i will have to do with 1212AD
How have I not heard of 1212AD?
After googling im going to have to get it
1212ad is so half baked and has been in development for so long I can’t wait till it’s finished. I prefer playing Tsardorms or SSHIP with the freecam mod for medieval 2 till then
@imperatorsteve I actually really 1212AD.. Make sure you get the load order right. There are some other submods i run with it, too. The terminator has some videos on it.
Have you checked out crusader wars for ck3 and Attila currently you can play in vanilla time period with mk1212+others, late antiquity period with fire forged empires and fallen eagle and the war of the rings with realms in exile and dawnless days
They just updated today for the recent dlc
Honestly i want a bigger change from the tw instead of 20 unit max we get 30 or 50 unit per general
An actual Lord of Rings would be sick
I think that the guys who are working on Dawnless Days would have a complete mental meltdown since they are working on it for free for past several years...
Tbh as much as i would like to see legit LoTR Total War,i somehow have much more respect for these people behind scenes of workshop who are the true lovers of the frenchize...they don't do it for money,and that one will always be the side worth of more respect.
Beat regards!
May as well make it official right? Even Shogun 2 has a LOTR mod I think.
@@jaywerner8415 exactly… and if you want everyone to overlook the subpar gameplay and predatory DLC strategy, you need an IP like Lord of the rings
@@jaywerner8415yes the last alliance! Great mod!
@@emilianozapata2530 Yeah the moders gave the studio enough time to announce or make one.
Ever since Third Age got released I've wanted a lotr official game.
My top pick would be. For fantasy lotr. For historical Empire 2 and then the cherry on top would be a remaster of Medieval 2.
As much as I would love an official LotR game, It would pain me alot to see it be mired in the current problems (imo) of their "current" game design. I really hope for some PROPER innovation with whatever title they release next, but most of their innovations just remove immersion because they cant do something right (ass ladders in sieges) or simplifying/gameifying fundamental campaign mechanics
@@Nyaxxy What do you mean simplifying or gamifying? Classic TW is nothing but rock paper scissor and yeah it didn’t have the UI showing stats but it’s all there, those games were way easier than what they are now. You can’t say sieges were so great when all people do is camp inside the walls not even using them. The warhammer TW plays exactly like tabletop that’s why it’s so beloved by that community so it’s understandable why y’all wouldn’t like it.
No, CA cannot make a LoTR game. Embracer group has the rights to lotr games, there is simply no possibility of a sega company like CA doing a lotr game unless sega buys lotr rights or embracer group buys CA. It wont happen
Old guard Total War fan here.
Been playing since the days of the original Rome.
The old original historical Total War is probably gone now. They haven't released a serious historical Title since Attila, maybe excepting Three Kingdoms.
I couldn't care less about Warhammer to be honest and I'm a bit disappointed with the state of affairs for my all time favourite video game series.
If you'd asked me back in 2015 I would have bet that by now we would have had either a pike and shot title an Empire II or a Victorian Total War ...
Unfortunately, I don't see that happening for some reason.
@@hocestbellumchannel money question, before warhammer total war was a very "niche" serie
Agreed. Atilla was the last game I ever played more than 1,000 hours of. The franchise has ruined this flavor for me. Actually am splitting time between Rome 2, Atilla, and Med 2 right now. It's sad how far I have to go back to feel that feeling again. I used to tell my boss/family "Don't call me/talk to me for a few days" on release dates. Hasn't happened since Atilla.
Historical fans want new historical games, but when new historical game releases they don’t play it. Yeah, okay.
@@shmekelfreckles8157 Τhe only historical Total War I haven't played is "Pharaoh".
Arguably, it is semi-historical and basically an expansion to Troy total War, which I own.
@@hocestbellumchannel with Dynasties it’s much bigger than Troy. And no, it’s fully historical, no mythological stuff there.
I feel like CA has been blinded by the success of warhammer and they lost their way
Yep very likely. They gave the fat cats all the decision making, and they made the wrong decisions. Its sad really
Yep their attitude around the launch of warhammer 3 was pretty much like “we are better than you peasants now”
Yes. Warhammer was successful because of the setting. It blinded them to the many issues and terrible features they introduced. There is a reason basically every other game they made following that formula was a complete flop.
warhammer community literally defended the jank of creative assembly by saying "oh well, we have dragons, orcs, rats and magics and shit, just ignore the fact our musketeers don't have reloading animations and our fort battles sucks ass!". now CA got comfortable releasing dogshit
Well let’s not pretend that over half the TW community has been playing fantasy mods for decades.. maybe you haven’t but a lot of us have so that only signals to CA to make fantasy games. It paid off too as their flagship title and it is still the most popular warhammer game on steam for a franchise that is exploding in popularity.
WE WANT EMPIRE II or MIEDIEVAL III even ROME III, CHOGUN III perhaps the russo japanese war, please!!!
No more Rome.
Empire, Medieval or bust!
chogun
CHOGUN THEESE BALLS
Uuuuuuu Russo Japanese war would be interesting,i just dont know how much anything else than that conflict in that region could do for that tittle of new Total War...but yeah,that war would definetely be interesting
Empire 2.
Medieval 3.
And give us the goddamn LotR Total War we've been wanting for 2 decades!
LOTR will never happen that is fact
Embracer group has lotr videogame rights, it cannot happen, idk what people can't understand
Empire 2 or a Medieval 3. Heck a Pike and Shotte would be awesome.
My unbiased take is that I think there is a stronger case for Med 3, that being said I would gladly take a empire remastered that on top of a fresh coat of paint, fixes battle AI to be able to properly form line infantry formations, Other AI and bug fixes. Expand the modding capabilities to make map edits, and possibly expanding on content or features that couldn’t make it into the original. Ferral have proven themselves very capable and the best case scenario would be CA cooking Med 3 with feral cooking an empire remaster.
MELKOR is the only guy who actually made a change in Total War, making everybody play RTW to make ratings high which brought the effect of CA announcing Rome Remastered
And Rome remastered is terrible. Play the Rome mod for Medieval 2 and you'll have so much more fun
I think that Total War new modding content on YT is getting really dry lately, and the longer I have to wait for the MK1212 campaign map update the sadder I am, but at least you’ve found the motivation to get back to TW content, keep up the good work mate!
Empire 2 Total War: Victoria. 1840-1900s. Predreadnought battleships, bolt action rifles and early machine guns as the top tier weapons.
Its gonna be 40k you know it. They need to rebuild their engine. Something new and ambitious needs to happen
That engine would be good for 40k n Star Wars
@@khal7702even if the leak was fake, Disney doesn't like any and all leaks so TW:Stars Wars got shot in the back of head
the problem is how would 40k combat would work, the main appeal of total war series majority is the melee combat, 40k would be just a copy of company of heroes when put into action.
you could argue empire/napoleon, but those were musket combat, where it's still close line-by-fire.
that's why warhammer fantasy worked, it's all still melee.
This is the same dilemma for those requesting for a ww1/ww2 total war rts like, we already had other games that does that.
they need to rebuild their attila engine before the "arcady hero-engine" that came after.
I doubt the CA that can't even manage to make a Pharaoh can pull of a complete rework of the game concept.
It won’t be 40k
Does replaying the same older titles either vanilla or with mods count as moving on? 🤭 I consider myself a huge Total War fan yet haven't played more than 20 hours of any title CA has released in the last decade.
Hahaha we are both one and the same you and I :D
im still modding rome 2
I refuse to go away from Rome 2 because it's to fun for me, specially with mods. 😅
Remake medieval 2 with armor/weapon upgrades changing unit visuals also completely redo the diplomacy system to at the very least 3 kingdoms standards
Change absolutely nothing else and viola you have made a good game
Antiquity, Medieval and Empire/Napoleonic era are the only time frames that I care to play in. Bronze age TW, Modern TW or Fantasy TW are completely uninteresting to me.
I think the next historical game should be a gunpowder title either Empire 2 going into the late Victorian era at end game or a game that ranges from say 1453-1700 or so but in either case the game needs deeper campaign mechanics on the map side.
According to Pierre at my last question about MK1212 i asked him, development is quite calme those days
Did he give you any specific progress update? I’m so hype for the campaign map update.
@@huantruonginh2946 hi, update Piorities are :
1-ships tier 1 and sweden new roosters, work has been made these few last mounths according to preview discord
2-new map that is finished excepted the new parts in north europe and other few regions
3- add custom cities models that are finished and continue development unless new map is released
4-the rest
Very useful informative video! I'm a veteran TW player and after years of being fed up with CA i was on the brink of abandoning the franchise. At the last moment PHARAOH DYNASTIES came out and i really enjoyed it. It was a good game in the right direction that redeemed a lot of mistakes. I believe we are not destined to get Medieval 3 but there is still hope at the end of the tunnel. Personally, I'm a very good player of historical titles and would like to see more, there's so much potential there. A Napoleon 2, Shogun 3 or Medieval 3 game would be a great addition along with a game about the fall of the Roman Republic or a better 3 Kingdoms game. I long to see this dream realised.
I'm still angry at CA for abandoning three kingdom out of nowhere
Empire 2, please
there is no future for the next total war games.Why ?. Because there are different people working on them , that dont understand what total war game should have been.
1:34 Melkor is great. I love his AI only campaigns for some reason. Looking forward to his Venice let’s play soon too.
Honestly, I would be happy with a coop update to RTWR and a Remaster of Med 2 with coop, performance update of attila
At this point I'd be happy if CA would at least give us a decent remaster for Medieval 2 :/
As historical Tw players, we are with realistic graphics to Med 3 or Empire 2
I loved the art style of three kingdoms and can't stop imagining medieval 3 in TK's art style...
I feel like Warhammer 40K could work in a sector with a limited amount of planets, and have the map be like Empire, diferent areas = diferent planets to interact, with each planet focusing more on a certain type of resource or bonus that might benefit the Humans, Orkz, Nyds, Aelves or Necrons. I'd also would like to see a full randomized starting position as a campaign option to put the whole GRIMDARK and TOTAL WAR into play with a new story to unfold every new game.
As per historical games, for WW1 they could kinda split nations into two or three factions, like Easter, Wester, African and Asian fronts and the diplomacy would entail seeking help from other warlords in china and africa, american help or the backup of other European nations into the war.
But BEFORE any game can the even thought about or brought through fruition, they need to invest into a new engine and figure wheter they'll stick to the new "many resources" as currency, or return to the simpler "gold". I myself would really enjoy the need to trade resources in games like Empire 2 or even Total "World" War (such as oil, steel, tungsten or industrial output resources).
For a possible 40K, AoS, LotR or SW fantasy game I'd say keeping it to a simpler economy, aka just gold like the warhammer ones we already have woudl feel better and be easier to implement.
Medieval 3 would have the biggest potential when it comes to DLC. Spanning a time period of 400 years (1066?- 1453) we have:
- The Crusades (Expansion DLC)
- Religious Orders (Teutonic, St. John, Templars, etc) as playable factions (Flavor Pack DLC)
- Warfare: Introduction of Gunpowder in war
- The Discovery Age (Major Expansion DLC) where they can focus on Colonization in the Americas (Central America with Spain vs Aztecs and other factions)
- India (DLC) : Discovery of India by Portugal and conflicts between Portugal and the smaller Indian kingdoms (there were plenty, and the Portuguese massacred quite a few) (Major Expansion DLC)
- Trade (something like Merchant Republics) (Flavor Pack DLC)
I think a game about Romulus and Remus would be sick, like an older rise of the republic but more tribal and petty kingdoms. But medieval 3 or a renaissance/empire game would be my first choice
They pissed me off so much since 3k got killed for no reason... That i wait for sale IF i want to get one.
Pissed me off too brother. That game was going places.
Me too brother. As an asian i really love 3K, but they killed so fast.
@@GoDon_Play and yet they devote time to save pharaoh which sold even worse than any 3k dlc.
CA lost all my good will, and new Warhammer crap isn't earning me any goodwill.
@@Wha2les I think the purpose of saving pharaoh was to try and curry favor. I don't think it was for sales, it's so when not die hard fans see the next Total War they will thing "Well CA saved Pharaoh, I'm sure it'll be good" and what not.
Medieval 3 without the globby collision from the new games would save CA.
What does it say about CA that we should lower our expectations!!! What I expect for my money is a finished product! I have lowered my expectations however that it will ever happen though, also a lower expectation I have is that they will ever provide a decent addition to the Historical genre.
Looking forward to the Mod updates.
You are looking Spiffy BTW!!
Thanks buddy! And agreed haha
On the upcoming games, I'm honestly not sure how to feel. Over the years the games look better and better, but feel like they are missing more and more. Features and mechanics feel like they are getting removed or simplified in every TW, and despite the vast majority of gameplay taking place on the strategic layer, it is getting more simplified and "gamified" with every release. A lack of real depth in mechanics and the real lack of consequence of battles with the replenishment systems really makes me unimmersed in the campaigns of more modern titles, with me returning to play older titles or mods like Divide et Impera for Rome 2 for some proper strategic layer depth. I think the games are becoming more accessible to reach new audiences, but in doing so, they alienate their core audience. I really want a solid game with good battles and a really involved and complex strategic layer, but I know for a fact that isn't going to happen, and that really sucks. Besides on a more wide game industry note, AAA studios are releasing more and more games in a poor state with the "fix it later" mindset and its a trend that CA have been continuing since Rome 2, so I honestly don't have any confidence that any major release that comes out next year will be in a finished and polished state.
I would very much like to see Warhammer Total War start to develop naval rules. The old trope where an army steps into the water and morphs into sailing ships is just ridiculous. And then two navies fight a naval battle...but finding a convenient island to fight a land battle, is beyond stupid. Naval battles in Empire were awesome, imagine dragons flaming whole navies while dwarven steam cannons blast them out of the sky.
WWI Total War, especially with proper naval battles, would be an instant-buy from me...
They need to fix the engine/combat and bring back complexity to the campaign map. Then maybe I'll come back.
I desperately want Empire 2, but I think a WW1 Total War could be done well provided it doesn't restrict itself to just WW1. Start it in the later half of the 1800's when rifles were really overtaking muskets, repeating weapons were being used, and warfare was being industrialized. Have the game spent trying to develop and industrialize your nation with trade being VITAL to that, not just an extra income source. Then, have mechanics progresse so that as tech advances and alliances get firmed up, the end game threat is a massive industrial world war of alliances dragging their partners in.
Something between Medieval and Empire - with a zoomable world that allows for more cities/settlements in the spirit if Thrones of Brittania.
Great soundtrack with Promontory in the background.
Saying that you want a strictly positive yet also honest discussion about something, especially when talking about the state of CA and Total War, lets the other party know from the start that the discussion is absolutely not going to be "honest".
" -Nice to see you."
"Meanwhile in SHIP Total War Novgorod decided to besiege my capital of Lithuania(Pagan) guess they never learn...."
Personally, Medieval 3 is the last TW game I will buy (and dependent on reviews). I think the formula has run its course and 40K, SW, WW1 and 2 etc require a new formula which is lightning in a bottle, maybe more likely to come from a plucky underdog indie studio.
Nothing has matched my enjoyment of Medieval 1, twenty years ago
In WW1 there aren't that few factions:
You got the obvious one:
- France
- Great Britain
- Russia
- Germany
- Austria-Hungary
- Ottoman Empire
- Italy
- Japan
- USA
It is more playable factions than Napoleon.
If you wanted, you could also have Serbia and the Arabian revolt. You could also have some of the colonies as separate factions, such as the ANZAC corps or African colonies, but I'd rather have them inside the factions of the colonizer nations to add more variety to the roster.
The problem is more that WW1 in Europe had very static frontlines, specially in the Western Front, while Total War has always been about taking great expanses of territory quite fast. I don't know how would you balance that typical Total War gameplay whle still making it reasonably like WW1.
I miss naval battles. If I was ever able to go into the military, which I can't because of a shunt in my head, I would want to be in the navy. I always loved the water. I really wished they would do a sort of sandbox pirate centered total war where you can create your own faction
I personally think they could do something with the early 1400s going into the late 1600s and frame it as a medieval 3. It would be nice with all the changes and advances WH3 and Pharaoh dynasties have, I think early on having more melee based units to start with basic firepower leading to eventual line of fire and with cavalry tactics could be used. War wagons, armor cleaving weapons, heavy cav, it’s all there
I personally believe Empire 2 or WW1 would be CA most likely choice for upcoming historical TW because they've been explore and expand alot of their mechanics to gun-using units in their latest WH3 DLC.
Medieval 3 or empire 2 will satisfy historical players, but I’d also have interest in Victorian era, age of renaissance/ discovery as well as a 1600s pike and shot era and circumnavigating the globe , but there is a big chance warhammer 40K might be next
Why can’t Empire 2 be like the American Civil War. I would love to see that.
I have played the total war franchise since the original release of Rome total war and it hard not to feel more and more let down with each new release. 3 kingdoms was the first one where I requested a refund and pharoh was the first one I refused to buy outright. Until they announce a new base engine I will continue to be skeptical which is sad, total war used to get me so hyped when they announced new games. If they dont announce a new engine I think their safest play would be medieval 3.
WW1 should be a dlc like the peninsular campaign from napoleon
Its sad to see what total war is becoming...but i do have hope at lest a little that they have learned from pharow
I love that you've got the soundtrack to the last of the mochicans playing in the background
It's seriously overplayed in total war mods. If there's something modders will never do better than CA devs, is the music. At least most of them allow vanilla music to remain as options when installing them
Never heard it used on any total war really 😊@guardiadecivil6777
Whatever they do on the historical side, please for the love of f*** stay away from the heroes aspect. I don't want to play a historical game where I can take one guy and beat a bunch of units with that one guy. Get with those mods that have made AMAZING mods, and see what they can do with helping!
well, at this point I would take anything historical with better ai, unit movement and good siege battles...but that's to much to ask for, I guess..
mythology total war would be pretty cool I think. Also empire/WW1 or Medieval 3
Please just make a Renaissance Total War! Like start Date something around 1518. or maybe even earlier. But then the succession in spain and austria is gonna be harder. But Please bruh Id so buy such a Game. (IK theres Eu4 and i love Eu4, but a Total War Game would still be Great!)
Renaissance Total War, the Age of Exploration. Then ENTIRE world map with every country on record.
Tbf the fantasy side of the business is also in a pretty rough place. A lot of people have checked out, the RUclips content has become stale and most people are just doing other things until an DLC that appeals to them comes up.
For me as a total war vet of about 20 years the perfect historical game setting would be Empire 2 1600-1890 and fantasy Game of Thrones or Lord of the Rings 🙌👌🔥🤙
You would need one hell of a tech tree for that, and either a new engine or the Rome/Medieval one, because those had events or just programming that allowed you to upgrade units and/or prevented you from recruiting certain units past a certain date. Not necessarily opposed, but I would narrow the time period considerably.
A mid 18th century game (Say, 1740-65) on a new map, 1 turn = 1 month (So, around 300 turns) would be my pick. Or an ACW game.
1600-1890 spans too many eras of combat.
You start in pike and shot then to the musket age and ending close to WW1.
you need a more focused setting so they can try to get it right - otherwise you're playing age of empires.
@@Badnercalabrese the first empire also started late Pike and shot era and the late Victorian era you’d literally only need to add breech loading rifles and you can still keep the same liner warfare system. It would literally be a case of adding the weapons like the early muskets from shogun 2 main campaign then the main aspect of Empire and Napoleon total war and then the tech from Fall of the samurai..simple
3:26 age of Sigmar is a sequel to fantasy, not a prequel. Just wanted to let people know. I understand that it can be a little confusing.
Oh my bad! Thanks for correcting :)
@@TheTerminatorGaming no problem, it's the duty of every Warhammer addict
AoS total war would bury CA, it's a cancer IP for games. Not 1 mod has even bothered to mod oldworld for AoS and that tells you everything.
@@fragfmgill AoS takes place in a completely different realm/s.
If Remake = Medieval 3, Empire 2 or Rome 3
If new time period = 1800s/ Civil War
Because if you enter a time period in where soldiers lose formation, It will become a whole different game. Any future total war has to keep unit formations.
Please give us Empire 2, Victorian era or Pike and shot
star wars empire at war would be an amazing template for a 40k game.
Victoria Total War would be neat, could combine Empire and WW1 if done correctly
They need to bring back the old style armies. Being forced to have giant Hero based armies is way too restricting.
I will never be happy until I see an official Middle Earth Total War
Empire 2! All the way from end of pile and shot era to 1850! Full world map of course and build on the diplomatic options from the original. Make navy battles great again, and let amphibious battles be a thing again, pls! Colonizing the Americas, Africa, the far east.. oh my god it could be sooo good😭
What is the name of the game that appears at 5:44?
Great War The Western Front
An Alexander Total War is such an obvious choice that nobody seems to be considering. He is the most influential man of antiquity if not of the entire history. I really hope we get an Alexander DLC at least in a Rome III title.
Can you play Fall of an Empire during Next Fest and possibly do a video? Looks promising, thanks!
Regarding WWI, I always thought that would be awesome. But you bring up some food points campaign wise that I never thought of. Could be interesting how to resolve that. Might have to do something like Hearts of Iron where you choose whether to keep it historical or not.
I have had a personal renaissance for the older historical games - went back to Rome and Medieval II and recently and have been having my best total war experience of all time - specifically with Medieval II. I would love to see CA reinvest into making these settings great again, but am truly concerned about the competency and don't want to see them start with Medieval III or Empire II. Need a confidence builder first.
I think that knowing the dynamics inside the company from the latests years, and knowing how much of a flop Hyenas was, basically like a 50 millions investment gone which should have been invested towards another AAA historical title. I believe that the management of the company believes that historical titles are not as profitable anymore (which I disagree, you can have a similar dlc policy like warhammer, you just need to release a game so good that players will return to it) that there is no public for it, so they will probably double down on fantasy.
I dont think they would do the investment necessary for a AAA historical title after the hyena financial blow, with all the ads, and just making a great game that people want to play, an empire 2 or medieval 3. I think they are gonna go for the short cycle quick cash grab. My guess is they are going to bring a good quality 40k game, while making a trash historical title on the side.
I wish they prove me wrong and bring a legendary empire 2 or medieval 3. But to do those games properly they should leave the general tendency of the total war games towards dumbing down the games, Warhammer total war for me is unplayable without SFO, since the vanilla games have such a terribly simple economy and everything, and if they did empire 2 or medieval 3 and make it a good game they should lean more towards Paradox and bring more techs, more diplomacy, more economy, policies, etc, to add nuisance so that old players from those games see something actually new. If they dont add nuisance to these things it will feel just like a remake of those old games with better graphics, and thats probably going to fail.
If I was the CEO, I would do a trilogy of historical games, similar to warhammer, with DLC's and so on that would take the trilogy starting with a medieval game from the 1300 to 1500, then the second game would be like Pike and shot kind of game, 1500-1700 and lastly Empire 2 total war. The warhammer formula was a success from a business point of view and they should aim to replicate that. And you just have to lean towards Paradox kind of complex techs, policies, political system, etc.
Fuck their dlc policy, that is what incentivizes them to make trash, so they can lock good features behind a paywall when it should’ve been there from the start
I kinda unfortunately disagree on the profitability front. They've a track record of simplifying and making the games more and more accessible which they think leads to more players, but total war and strategy games in general arent "mainstream" games. They've a very specific audience and with the erosion of confidence in the products that have been delivered and the simplification of the strategic and battle layers of the games, I don't honestly know how much of their core audience is still onside.
A fantasy title like Starwars, Game of Thrones, LotR, 40k would be probably more profitable as it's bringing in interest from an established IP and their fanbase. The argument of 3 Kingdoms can be made but I find that a very nuanced situation where the majority of it's audience where chinese players who likely bough and played the game because of the setting. Which in a way has more parallels to a fantasy title in terms of bringing in a large audience who otherwise wouldnt have much interest in the franchise.
And you're absolutely right to touch on their poor investments, Hyenas and less so, Pharoh. This is going to affect the player in a less polished product at launch due to less dev time to meet financial deadlines, or more aggressive DLC pricing/practices. Either way, its definitely funding that really was needed to overhaul their engine and technology. If I was the CEO I'd likely get a license for a big IP that wouldnt require a vast amount of engine changes/innovation to get working, probably GoT or LotR. It'd be "easier" to develop those games than 40k/Starwars as those would require a much grander scale and both pre and post production. Seeing the dev issues with the TWW 1-3 due to technical debt of the engine across 10+ years of development, I'm not sure that they'd do another Trilogy of games that interconnect again.
There is a higher chance, that modders will make better Total War games than CA at this point.
I have been playing TW since the OG Shogun. I have a really hard time understanding why the fans are reserved about Pharoah Dynasty edition. I was sceptical a first, but bought on a Steam Sale. I am totally blown away, in my opinion - as a guy that actually played it - it is way up there among the great TW games, such as Attila.
Guys, give it a chance, you will find it mindblowing.
CA sold out on the historical crowd, they don’t care about making a good game for them anymore because to do that their model of milking people for all their worth with overpriced dlc won’t work. Any new historical game needs a new engine and way better Ai, and that’s not gonna happen with CA. They just don’t care about historical tw anymore, whatever they make will be rushed, barebones, and $70. It’s far more profitable for them to continue milking the warhammer crowd since their conditioned to being held hostage for overpriced product
I don’t understand why CA hasn’t made a Medieval 2 Remastered yet. It’s a project many people would love, and it seems like a safe bet. There’s little risk of losing money-the game would sell like crazy if done right.
I think WWI would work if it was within Empire 2, if Empire 2 is to be about the Victorian Era. You spend most of the game in the latter half of the 19th century and the beginning of 20th building your empire, the games final 6 years can be relegated to WWI. I think it would be a pretty sick conclusion to the campaign especially with it ending with the Treaty of Versailles. Either way, CA has a chance of gaining my trust again but they need to do Empire 2 or Medieval and it needs to be done the right way.
I was there when total war (Shogun)...was born...( God I'm getting old) And checked out after Attila... If CA comes with Empire 2 a Victory tw or an age of discovery ( pike &shot ) tw ... I will jump back in until that time will play the old games with mods (ad 1212 ,Dei , ..)
Empire 2 WorldWide Map, is the only game we need rightnow
In addition, unlimited modding capability for players and modders who, in the 15 years since the game's release, have had to make their own mods while searching for a suitable mod for the game and have become experts in 18th century history in the process.
Make Empire 2, and do it the easy way. Just remake Napoleon with the whole world in the 1700's. Auto unit replenishment and everything else in Napoleon style. I think people would love it, and nobody has to reinvent the wheel and mess it up.
Het rid of auto replishment. Go old school.
It's true that Napoleon fixed a lot that people complained about with Empire. But it wasn't perfect. (Fewer playable factions, a lame tech tree) I know I'm a minority, but I'm not for a 'whole world map'. (Though by all means expand it a little) How long do you think it would take CA to create that PLUS design rosters for a gazillion factions? Also, it complicates balance. You would have to give a ton of land to Spain in SA, so they could potentially get huge fast. TW already has a problem in some titles with factions in the corner of the map becoming extremely powerful when controlled by the AI. (Almoravids in Medieval 2, Marathas and Sweden in Empire)
I like the fact that France and Spain are divided into more regions in Napoleon. I like the rally and inspire abilities that generals have, and appreciate that it's smoother to move ministers around, and way more effort was put into historical accuracy re: uniforms.
I've been feeling demoviated from total war, because I don't know what it is but it feels like burnout. Like I've already played so much I used to come from school/collage and play it religiously. Now if I get the mood to watch an Epic History TV doc or something, yeah sure that's great. But now, total war modding is going to go into an golden age. Trust me on this. We just have to be very patient and I mean VERY patient because mods like these that are developed, 1212, 1100 AD, DD etc, take a lot of time to make obviously.
In the next 5-10 years, I'm cancer free and have a family. When I have kids, they'll be exposed to total war mods that are coming out. Just like when I was younger, I used to see these big complicated mods of Roma Surrectum II, Europa Barbaroum and I remember going to buy copies of RTW and installing them back when PCs had discs. Nowadays they don't.
Give credit to the total war modders - the fact that total war is in a lull, a stagnation phase, yet from the very days of Rome itself, some have gone, some have left, but there has always been an resiliant base of total war modders that haven't given up.
And now, with me having grown up it makes me feel sad. There was a point when I was a kid and I just used to enjoy playing total war, and now it'll be my next generation that'll enjoy it. I feel like a lot of us were all kids at one point enjoying total war. And I'm the 96' generation lol.
Two types of fans:
Total war fans- want inspired games, enjoyment hinges on game mechanics and immersion
The Redditor consumers - will buy and play any game put in front of them and will get mad if you criticize the games
You didnt mention Pixelated Apollo The Goat of total war replays.
I so want an Empire 2 or Medieval 3, but I am also so anxious that it will come out to be a huge disappointment given CA's current track record. The next historical title must be AMAZING for the players to regain their confidence in CA.
if they dont make Medieval 2 Remastered they dont deserve their gallons (noticed i dont ask for a 3 coz i know they prob **ck it up)
My dream of fantasy total war is Steampunk universe.Damn imagine all mechanical stuff going all out in openfield.
An advanced version of iron harvest
I've "walked away" in the sense that I only play Rome 2: DeI and Attila 1212, I've tested the Warhammer TW series, I've tested Troy, and the battles have become overly arcade-y so I have bought 0 Total War products since 2016.
If they put out a decent historical title without hero units, and a return to the older style of real-time battles I might actually spend my money on it.
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A medieval 3 with historically accurate duchies would be great.
We have playable factions and non playable factions. You can choose to vassalize the duchies for higher economy and good production or directly conquer them for stronger military at the cost of slower economy
The top requests are medieval 3 and empire 2, tbh out of the three pre-warpath engine games medieval is the only one left, that is the main incentive, just the question of how it will look with the "new" engine (ill tell you, a copy of rome 2 with medieval assets). And empire 2 could be an awesome return if done right and if encompassing the right historical events, kind of doing a massive gunpowder TW, from the american indepence war to the napoleonic wars, 1775-1815, but no one gets away from the rome 2 template.
It's about time for a Pike&Shotte TW. 1550 -1750....Multiple wars in Europe, two heavyweights : ECW AND of course the TYW which spanned over most of Europe..major powers all involved somehow....and it could be done rather quickly as we have already TW Medieval and Empires...just need to fill the slot in between...
I wish they would focus more on historical titles. It’s not a particularly hot take, but I think it could be so simple. Just develop good historical titles and a massive swath of their fan base would be more than pleased and would be much more willing to go along with whatever CA felt the need to work on.
But I’d really love to hear your thoughts on a much broader topic. On a macro scale, what are your thoughts on the current state of affairs between gamers (consumers) and the developers? It could even be more specific; what are your thoughts on the relationship between strategy gamers and developers? It seems to me that the consumer has woken up in a big way and seems more or less poised to take a more rigid stance on what they expect from their developers. The big example that continually comes to mind is Helldivers and their stance against Sony just a little while ago. There are arguments to be made that it didn’t actually work, but we did see a massive corporate structure change in response to consumer demands. Maybe plenty of people have touched on this already, but I haven’t seen it, plus I value your opinion more because I’ve followed you for a long time and would say I agree with most of what you’ve said and have always loved your content.
Anyway, big question, but if you could find the time to respond in any way I’d love to hear your thoughts. Thanks!
Total war just needs to read their comment section for game ideas.