I shoot live theatre, often under LED light, and global shutter has always been the holy grail, enabling silent shooting with no banding from LED flicker. This is truly revolutionary.
dso what happens if the flash duration is slower than the shutter? All i have seen is that flash duration freezes motion. For portraits of people standing still what difference would it make. I say this since most portraits have stationary subjects. I would assume for action shots faster flash might be needed to freeze the image.
@@RayValdezPhotography well if the flash is slower then the shutter speed you will get less power from the flash. Due the shutter only capturing let’s say 1/2000 of a 1/1000 flash duration. So you’d get half power from that flash. It’s kind of confusing so I hope I’m explaining it properly. But the more powerful the flash the longer the flash duration. So a faster shutter may not help. So that’s why I’m waiting for a camera with a global shutter that can shoot at ISO 64 or less. Because of flash duration issues in bright sunlight.
@@robertleidner9703"The more powerful the flash the longer the flash duration", that's simply not the case and large strobes can often have multiple times the power of a speedlight while also still having the same or a faster flash duration. Also, because of the way that flash duration is usually measured your going to be able to get most of the flash's power during an exposure time much shorter than the advertised flash duration.
@@TechnoBabble well that’s simply not the case. Yes there are powerful flash with short flash durations that cost $15k. But after years of shooting skateboarding where flash duration was an issue I know that most powerful flashes have a shorter duration.
@@robertleidner9703 Find me a strobe that has a shorter flash duration at max power than a speedlight. Look at godox, the V860III has a flash duration of 1/300 at max power but their lowest end AC power strobes have a flash duration of 1/800 at over triple the power. Oh, and let's say the flash is double the max power but has a 20% longer flash duration, you could lower the power slightly to get the same flash duration but higher power.
Before you needed a Hasselblad camera to sync at 1/2000 (or 1/4000 in the case of the X2D) now a Sony camera can do 1/80000. The Sony A9 may have a max dynamic range issue, and clearly, it will be challenging to do water blur on sunny days without an ND filter but this seems to be the future. It's just revolutionary. And then there is an AF system, the best Viewfinder in the industry for a long shoot, faster and as blackout-free as the Nikon but with almost 3 times the resolution and faster refresh rate. There is nothing like it. not going to move to Sony I don't need such performance and have legacy Nikon glass that is just fine. I also love the PF lenses, but dude, is Sony ahead of the curve.
@@yamint The D70 syncs at 1/500 without HSS. I've had a D70 and currently have a D70s in my studio. And even if it did (which it doesn't) the poor quality of the RAW files would relegate it to studio work that I had zero intention of printing (based on today's capabilities). The only reason I keep it is because it has a 1-stop higher sync speed and I have a delusion that one day I will need that extra stop rather than turning off the lights in my studio to get the same net effect.
@@peerlessportraits you can sync above 1/500 , but you have to use non ttl nikon flash. You can also use single point manual flash on hot shoe to trigger off camera flash with slave setting, or buy a pc sync adapter and use ps sync cable to trigger off camera flash. Try it.
The flash duration of that flash on full power is 2.8ms which is equivalent to around 1/350th. You can't use the flash at 1/80000th at any power you like, but still much better than before tho.
Hi Manny, can the A9 III also sync up to 1/8000 with external flashes? On the official Sony website, they write it is able to sync at up to 1/500 with external flashes. With a base iso of 250, that would not be revolutionary
You will be able to sync with studio strobes all the way up to at least 1/32,000s I can already do so with the Sony a1 shooting in HS mode. You just have to have a trigger that uses full Sony protocol. Elinchrom Transmitter Pro can do 1/32,000s with the a1. Profoto only upto 1/8000s
Ok, this is getting old im afraid, youtube is getting FLOODED with this kind of messages, and yes.. this is huge but not as you all tell it. You forgeting Flash T0,1 duration time, basically the amount of time your flash needs to pump its output. And thanks to Profoto and their OBSESSION with TTL most flashes nowadays have a shit T0,1 time at full power that is arround 1/300s now doesnt matter your global shutter goes to infinite and beyond, if the flash takes longer to pop the energy. Said that.. This is the next best thing, but wont be a perfect sincronization without power loss AT ALL. Even if they made very fast flashes at full power ( wich there arent ) Radio triggers will still be a limitation on sync as none goes beyond 1/2000 of a second ( the profoto ones even got worst ). IF This changes anything is it makes a BIG dent on medium format leaf shutter systems, as this is been the main benefit for a long time. I need to get my hands on a sony a9 III asap and do some testing against my X2d from hasselblad and see to what extent this new global shutter gets more practical light or just the same as the limitation is on the flashes and not the shutters atm. Compared to any DSLR it will be a difference similar to leaf shutter is, wich is 3-4 stops and thats huge.. now they need to bring it to a better sensor than 24mpx if they want to appeal to us comercial photographers.
Maybe my understanding of flash is wrong all this time but at 1/80,000s wouldn’t that diminish flash power so much that it isn’t useable since flash power is correlated with flash duration?
No shutter speed will ever be faster than the speed of light so shutter speed can be super high like 1/300,000 and your picture will still show assuming you let enough light in. Flash power is not correlated to flash duration it's correlated to power output of the flash. For example Godox Ad 200pro has 200Ws of output and AD600 pro has 600Ws of output which is 3 times more power.
Flash and shutter were only linked and limited by the rolling shutter of the camera. With global shutter you should get the same flash output at any shutter. Technically speaking you can get the same output on any cameras that allows your to use flash at any shutter but will get heavy banding or a black image which is why HSS was invented.
Yes. Reputedly "the fastest flash you can buy" is Vela One, whose flash duration is adjustable from 1/200 000 sec to 1/2 000 000 sec. Vela One's website explains, "A typical speedlight has a duration of around 1/20,000 second" "on its fastest setting." "Studio flashes are even slower." _Edit: I meant, yes, in most use cases, an exposure time of 1/80 000 second will diminish flash fire's exposure contribution. But, no, it wouldn't necessarily make flash unusable. And although technically, flash_ power _is independent of flash duration, a flash fire's exposure contribution is, yes, a product of the flash fire's power times the flash fire's captured duration._
@@martinruiz398 Well well, a typical studio flash decays to 50% after 1/1000sec, 10% after 1/400sec or so - so you get the full Ws Energy on your sensor only with slower shutter speeds - else, you slice out a piece of the flash only. Seen relative to the ambient light, however, which encounters the superfast shutter, too, you have the 'full power' available.
1/80,000 of a second? I get the camera operates at the speed of light but that's ridiculous! Especially all of us who are used to a max speed of 1/8000 of a second. This means you can use high speed lenses in sunlight and never need a ND filter. Heck this almost makes shooting in the afternoon "as the worst light" also irrelevant. This is a game changer most of us have no idea how much. Its truly the greatest light capturing box ever made.
Unfortunately with large aperture lenses it's no better than the A1. If you look at Sony's website they have a little note for the shutter speed saying you're limited to 1/16000 with apertures larger than f1.8.
@@TechnoBabble To be fair, i don't think many of us encountered any situations were shutter faster than 1/16000s was needed. I don't think i've ever used faster shutter than 1/8000s myself, especially since up until two years ago i was still using my A7II which went only up to 1/8000s exactly.
You are right, this is a huge game changer, With my ELB500 flashes I can shoot out on sone really cool location and I can totally shut off the sun and create studio lighting on the top of a mountain at high noon. It's like moving a location into a a giant studio! I have already been doing this with the Sony a1, but now with the a9iii the efficiency is increadible and I can repace 3,000 and 6,000 watt packs and generators with ELB500 battery powered packs. There is even micro second timing control in the a9iii to really maximize your flash lighting efficiency.
Have you tried it yet? I'm guessing not, since this camera was just announced and won't be released until next spring. It looks to me as if at its higher shutter speeds, this camera's capture duration will be shorter than the typical flash duration, effectively turning your flash into a continuous light -- as you turn up the shutter speed to "shut off the sun," you'll be shutting off more and more of your flash power as well. The microsecond timing will let you choose which slice of the discharge curve you capture, but you'll still be capturing only a slice instead of the whole thing...
@@jlwilliams Do you shoot overpowering the sun with a setup capable of doing 1/32,000s flash sync. I do not need to try it because I already shoot in HS mode with the Sony a1. I also know a thing or two about flash light intensity curve. The vast majority of the power is emitted in the first 1/3rd of a 0.5 flash speed duration. This is why in my correspondence with Sony about requesting global shutter I also brought up the issue of timing and how important timing is. Capturing a slice of the flash is no problem and far better than shooting at slower speeds of using weak HSS. HS is in a sense a preview of what global shutter can do. I get really good performance with the a1 and the ELB500. I even have 8 sets and custom made soft boxes that can house 4 heads each. I also shoot overpowering sunlight with very high power strobe using a custom made weaved twin flash head Elinchrom made to my request. i use it to "move the sun" and shoot pleasing light angles even at high noon. My guess is the sweet spot will be at 1/40,000s with the ELB500. Maybe a bit more if Elinchrom updates the firmware. With my 6,000ws dual head and dual packs form my current experience they will still offer an advantage even at 1/80,000s
@@Eihei I'm already shooting at 1/32,000s flash using HS method with the ELB500. It's bloody fantastic. I can wear the wee pack in a backpack and put the small head on a cine cage and arm on the camera and shoot really freely and even with great auto exposure control allowing me to get close to the model and then step back without having to take readings again. I'm even looking into flying the ELB500 under a drone
1/3200 is not overpowering ambient light is killing it))..it doesn't make any sense, at the point shoot in studio against a black backdrop is the same))...and by the way I overpower sun since I not remember when, using cactus v611 transmitter with any system, and using power sync at 1/8000, which is the best speed to balance flash and ambient light using small aperture., because I can shoot iso 50 with great dynamic and color reproduction, while you with a9 must use native iso which is 250))). in addiction you cannot go above 1/16000 with larger aperture, like 1,4.
So, with the A9III you're basically limited by the duration of the flash, which changes on each power setting. If you used a shutter speed faster than the flash duration, you wouldn't get the full power of the flash at that power setting.
You can’t use a traditional flash to achieve what you are talking about. You need to get the compatible Sony flash for this. This was mentioned in the release of the camera video from Sony
That is part of the feature, isn't it? - The option to use a small slice of a full power flash, instead of powering down the flash, at cost of colour constancy.
@@lvproductionsinc9748 I think they mentioned 3rd party flashes too in the presentation. So, if you have a Godox V1 at 1/8 power, which has 1/6540 flash duration, wouldn't you be able to use shutter speeds of 1/6540 or slower with no HSS and no power loss?
@@GiannisChasKind of. Flash tubes don't turn on and off instantly, there's a kind of ramping up and down to their power. Because of the way flash duration is measured, you'll likely be able to get most of the flash's power even with an exposure time half that of the flash duration.
I like how he has to collect himself and in real time translate his brain jumping for joy into words that other human beings can understand. The excitement pushes through in the video, and I just had to acknowledge that I get the excitement (as much as I can without actually having shot with it).
meh still the same crappy body and let's be real any high end mirorless got VERY fast sensor readout speed already so it's not a groundbreaking feature at all. Back in the day it was really the Graal due to the slow ass sensor readout speed but nowadays not so much
Sony is absolutely killing it, pushing the envelope like always. The only concern is if there is a major dynamic range drop because of the global shutter. I'm going to guess there is a decent one and it'll be like 11 - 12 stops .
Reportedly, the α9 III's maximum shutter speed, 1/80 000 second, lacks continuous autofocus, whereas the maximum with it is 1/16 000 second, which, as seemingly as a downside of the global shutter, is lower than α9 II's, 1/32 000 second [Patrick Murphy-Racey, upload 5iGVZtROjhA, timestamp 1 min 59 sec, _PM-R TV_ @ RUclips, 7 Nov 2023].
Global shutter...no more freaking HSS, no more wasted light, that's huge huge step up, seriously, i'm surprised that SONY released something like this, that's change a lot with strobes...And at the end of video i see Manny your lack of words, i have had the same jaw dropped when i read ''Global Shutter'' at Sony conference edit: now i need $5999 to the next summer
Hold yer horses. We need to know whether existing flashes are compatible with this or you need a new hardware. I'm leaning toward new hardware. Sony love them dollars
@trym2121 I doubt, I think there is no speedlite/strobes prepared for electronic shutter in addition that fast, so we will have to change them as well. Thats not my case anyway, i just bought a74 so I dont worry about it for 4-5 years
What flash is that? Sony HVL-F60RM2? It seems that not even all Sony flashes work with the global shutter all the way to 1/80000. My third party flashes and older Sony flashes would still need to go into HSS beyond 1/500.
I’m writing this to you because you have used Sony equipment extensively. I’m using A7R5 along with Sony flash HVL-F60RM2 Sony FA-WRC1M Wireless Radio Commander. When I connect either of these units and turn them on. I started seeing a considerable lag when pressing the shutter and the shot being captured. Precisely, press shutter half way, EVF goes dark, appears to be looking for focus, and then the shot is captured. There is a delay. Turn the units off, no delay. I have searched around internet, forums, youtube and have not found a definite answer. I have come across some suggestions and have applied some of these but no solution. Thank you in advance for taking the time and addressing this issue.
Wowwwww (manny at sony presentation voice). Sports is a niche that I'm not fully invested into, but the global shutter is intriguing for handheld and edgy stuff like music videos. Adobe enhance audio would revive that audio in a minute
you are choking on your words, did you know even without the high shutter speed, that rain shot CAN BE DONE just with the flash speed ?? its an OLD TRICK. The flash duration can freese those rain drops. the real test is outdoor with bright sun light. To date, SONY own admission there is no flash that can powerful enough. THAT IS WHY all their promo materials are shoot at sunset.
I use cactus v611 trasnmitter with power sync with any flash. and I can shoot at maximum speed with any camera without any loss o power)) game changer for who? clearly it helps in flash photography, but game changer means you have never seen or used flash before.
How does this change / affect people who use strobes to capture images at the speed of the light (not the shutter) and cut out the ambient light (NOT using HSS or ND Filters) In things like indoor arenas? Any idea?
The flash going of right at the end of the video (and looking really ugly in the footage) really hammers home the point 😂 Also that's why I think this camera will be popular with videographers as well as photographers.
what am I missing ? 1/80,000 way shorter duration than most flashes set to 1/128 power ... what is that possibly good for ? Flashes at full power have a t.5 duration of about 1/1,000 second ... therefore you can't use full power at higher shutter speeds ... it's complicated because flash duration is not alway consistant ... but the general idea is ;intensity over time = exposure
You will be using a slice of the flash output. However the vast majority of the flash output is concentrated in about 1/3 of the flash's t 0.5 flash speed spec. I already get fantastic results shooting at 1/32000s in HS mode with the Sony a1. Even at 1/32,000s if I turn down the power of the flash I see a drop in flash exposure so there is still an advantage. I also have heads capable of outputting 6,000ws with high speed tubes so I don't worry about using only a slice of the flash power.
Maximum shutter speed is 1/16000 only for aperture greater than f1.8.......I use f1.4 so this feature is useless for me and I can only use upto 1/16000
I didn’t realize how bad all these Influencers and Camera reviews are until not one of you mentioned ISO starts at 250. Like bro thanks for not keeping it real anymore just to be apart of the invitation. ISO Vlog 3 starts at 2000 80,000 shutter speed.
what a lot of flash photographers don't think about is this.. flash duration. When you're in studio and staying within a sync speed of 1/200, you're at the mercy of your flash duration. A Godox AD600PRO only gives you a 1/200 flash duration at full power, whereas a Profoto Pro 11 gives you a 1/3000 flash duration at an output of 600Ws. Now w this camera, it doesn't matter if your flash duration sucks, you can shoot at a high shutter speed (1/3000 or higher is usually needed for freezing motion) AND still have the power in your strobes to push light through a big mod and get you F/10 at ISO 100. This really is a game changer!!
Yes this is big deal, but the example shown was rather not practical or useful to explain why. With normal sync speeds of lets say 1/200th of a second in mechanical shutters you are limited to the strobes power in outdoor full sun. So a 500W light is having a hard time even at full power too far from your subject at f-8-f11 to bring the exposure of the outdoors down. However now, instead of shooting at F9 you can shoot a Profoto b10 (*with its t.5: 1/50,000 to 1/1300 Sec time at full power) at around 1/1000th at f4/5.6 in similar lighting or be able to use bigger modifiers or move your flash further away, or even shoot wide open and reduce the flash power a bit to lengthen the t.5 time.
Great video thanks for sharing. I do have one question since it can sync at any shutter speed and you don't have to use high speed sync on the flash, does that mean that you don't loose any power on the flash? Could you shoot say 1/4000 shutter speed at your flash FULL power? If so t hat is truly a game changer for photographers that shoot flash.
You will lose power when the shutter speed is shorter than your flash duration. So if you’re at 1/1 and flash duration is ~1/250, and you shoot at 1/4000, you’re only getting a small slice of the light from the flash.
Did anyone noticed redesigned new grip ? Sony is finally improving ergonomics. I think it's time for me to sell all my current gear. Not that I can afford A9 III but because Sony is doing such a great job that other companies seem to stagnate in comparison.
The other benefit of the fast shutter is shooting outdoors in harsh lighting with super wide apertures. Sometimes with event photography you don’t have a choice… capture the moment as it happens. Stopping down or ND has always been the solution, but now it’s nice that the option is there to shoot wide open if it’s needed.
Small print for 1/80000.- Maximum shutter speed is 1/16000 second when F1.8 or larger aperture is used. 1/80000 s speed not available when shooting movies, when using the Var. Shutter function, or when no lens is mounted.
@@bennievandermerwe7445 No big deal for video, but that is interesting about larger than 1.8…? Seems to defeat the purpose. Still, 16,000 is better than all Sony bodies currently apart from the A1.
@@danfarmer_photo The original A9 is 1/16000 and the A9 II is 1/32000, both with a base ISO of 100. This camera is worse than those for the described use case.
Makes sense - a single full-power flash is relatively long (eg Profoto B10 @250W: 1/1,300 sec till light power reduces to 50%). So with a very fast shutter speed, you can cut a small slice of the full energy of a single flash, and don't even need HSS (which technically is a burst of many small flashes). Provided there is no rolling shutter - which seems the main innovation here.
I asked Sony to add a specific feature to the a9iii that allows you to fine tune the flash sync timing down to the milisecond to you can even make shure you use the part of the flash you want to use the most. Flash light output is a curve, so when you use ultra high shutter speed you also want to be able to get the slice of that curve that you want.
I don't know why Sony gives out features that are basically useless and many people pay for those useless features and you tubers like yourself get excited about it.
Because what's useless to you is very useful to others! I shoot a lot of events and the combination of features in the A9III will be much better than the A7R5 + A7C combo that I currently use!
Sheesh, that focus point overlay on the ear's model and not the eye doesn't look great with all the Sony's talk about human estimation pose and AI autofocus. I know it's a minor thing but $6000 it's a lot and some improvements in that AI area would've been welcomed as the a7rv was the first one to implement that technology.
@@palleppalsson I know it's in playback mode and not shooting, but those overlays shows you where the camera has focused at that time. A7r5 has the same feature, watch Tony Northrup's hands-on at 3:10 and you'll see what i mean with focus point overlay. In tony's example you can see more clearly how the camera tracked the subject and where the focus box was.
I shoot live theatre, often under LED light, and global shutter has always been the holy grail, enabling silent shooting with no banding from LED flicker. This is truly revolutionary.
This could be an amazing camera for that kind of work, it solves so many issue.
Same here on the theater photography. Ready to order 2 of them.
Good luck using vlog at ISO 2000
@@Zetaphotography never heard of ND filters?
You realize the Sony Aiii is not out yet. I doubt the camera he as is tsuch Camera, but this is what these guys do.
People are going to learn what flash duration is quickly.
dso what happens if the flash duration is slower than the shutter? All i have seen is that flash duration freezes motion. For portraits of people standing still what difference would it make. I say this since most portraits have stationary subjects. I would assume for action shots faster flash might be needed to freeze the image.
@@RayValdezPhotography well if the flash is slower then the shutter speed you will get less power from the flash. Due the shutter only capturing let’s say 1/2000 of a 1/1000 flash duration. So you’d get half power from that flash. It’s kind of confusing so I hope I’m explaining it properly. But the more powerful the flash the longer the flash duration. So a faster shutter may not help. So that’s why I’m waiting for a camera with a global shutter that can shoot at ISO 64 or less. Because of flash duration issues in bright sunlight.
@@robertleidner9703"The more powerful the flash the longer the flash duration", that's simply not the case and large strobes can often have multiple times the power of a speedlight while also still having the same or a faster flash duration.
Also, because of the way that flash duration is usually measured your going to be able to get most of the flash's power during an exposure time much shorter than the advertised flash duration.
@@TechnoBabble well that’s simply not the case. Yes there are powerful flash with short flash durations that cost $15k. But after years of shooting skateboarding where flash duration was an issue I know that most powerful flashes have a shorter duration.
@@robertleidner9703 Find me a strobe that has a shorter flash duration at max power than a speedlight. Look at godox, the V860III has a flash duration of 1/300 at max power but their lowest end AC power strobes have a flash duration of 1/800 at over triple the power.
Oh, and let's say the flash is double the max power but has a 20% longer flash duration, you could lower the power slightly to get the same flash duration but higher power.
Before you needed a Hasselblad camera to sync at 1/2000 (or 1/4000 in the case of the X2D) now a Sony camera can do 1/80000. The Sony A9 may have a max dynamic range issue, and clearly, it will be challenging to do water blur on sunny days without an ND filter but this seems to be the future. It's just revolutionary. And then there is an AF system, the best Viewfinder in the industry for a long shoot, faster and as blackout-free as the Nikon but with almost 3 times the resolution and faster refresh rate. There is nothing like it. not going to move to Sony I don't need such performance and have legacy Nikon glass that is just fine. I also love the PF lenses, but dude, is Sony ahead of the curve.
Nikon d70 can sync at 1/8000 without HSS.
@@yamint The D70 syncs at 1/500 without HSS. I've had a D70 and currently have a D70s in my studio.
And even if it did (which it doesn't) the poor quality of the RAW files would relegate it to studio work that I had zero intention of printing (based on today's capabilities). The only reason I keep it is because it has a 1-stop higher sync speed and I have a delusion that one day I will need that extra stop rather than turning off the lights in my studio to get the same net effect.
@@peerlessportraits you can sync above 1/500 , but you have to use non ttl nikon flash. You can also use single point manual flash on hot shoe to trigger off camera flash with slave setting, or buy a pc sync adapter and use ps sync cable to trigger off camera flash. Try it.
@@yamint My friend, you mixed up max shutter speed with max flash sync speed.
@@Eihei well mixed up or not, the result is there. If you are in my town , i will show you that nikon d70 really can sync up to 1/8000 without HSS
The flash duration of that flash on full power is 2.8ms which is equivalent to around 1/350th. You can't use the flash at 1/80000th at any power you like, but still much better than before tho.
Okay smarty pants.
i like him shut up@@RayValdezPhotography
Then how flash work with HSS 1/8000?
@@ridzbaha618 that's why hss heavily affects the power
I have 2 QT series that have very good T0.1 flash durations. The question is: does the A9iii syncs with off camera flashes at any shutter speed ? …
Hi Manny, can the A9 III also sync up to 1/8000 with external flashes? On the official Sony website, they write it is able to sync at up to 1/500 with external flashes. With a base iso of 250, that would not be revolutionary
You will be able to sync with studio strobes all the way up to at least 1/32,000s I can already do so with the Sony a1 shooting in HS mode. You just have to have a trigger that uses full Sony protocol. Elinchrom Transmitter Pro can do 1/32,000s with the a1. Profoto only upto 1/8000s
Outstanding Sony! Going to sell all my old cameras to upgrade my firmware by buying the latest camera 😅.
😂 GOAT level comment 👏
They did mention at the event that A1/A7SIII firmware updates are coming with breathing comp/and more
Ok, this is getting old im afraid, youtube is getting FLOODED with this kind of messages, and yes.. this is huge but not as you all tell it. You forgeting Flash T0,1 duration time, basically the amount of time your flash needs to pump its output. And thanks to Profoto and their OBSESSION with TTL most flashes nowadays have a shit T0,1 time at full power that is arround 1/300s now doesnt matter your global shutter goes to infinite and beyond, if the flash takes longer to pop the energy. Said that.. This is the next best thing, but wont be a perfect sincronization without power loss AT ALL. Even if they made very fast flashes at full power ( wich there arent ) Radio triggers will still be a limitation on sync as none goes beyond 1/2000 of a second ( the profoto ones even got worst ). IF This changes anything is it makes a BIG dent on medium format leaf shutter systems, as this is been the main benefit for a long time. I need to get my hands on a sony a9 III asap and do some testing against my X2d from hasselblad and see to what extent this new global shutter gets more practical light or just the same as the limitation is on the flashes and not the shutters atm. Compared to any DSLR it will be a difference similar to leaf shutter is, wich is 3-4 stops and thats huge.. now they need to bring it to a better sensor than 24mpx if they want to appeal to us comercial photographers.
Maybe my understanding of flash is wrong all this time but at 1/80,000s wouldn’t that diminish flash power so much that it isn’t useable since flash power is correlated with flash duration?
No shutter speed will ever be faster than the speed of light so shutter speed can be super high like 1/300,000 and your picture will still show assuming you let enough light in. Flash power is not correlated to flash duration it's correlated to power output of the flash. For example Godox Ad 200pro has 200Ws of output and AD600 pro has 600Ws of output which is 3 times more power.
@@martinruiz398 this isn’t a matter of speeds but how flash works.
Flash and shutter were only linked and limited by the rolling shutter of the camera. With global shutter you should get the same flash output at any shutter. Technically speaking you can get the same output on any cameras that allows your to use flash at any shutter but will get heavy banding or a black image which is why HSS was invented.
Yes. Reputedly "the fastest flash you can buy" is Vela One, whose flash duration is adjustable from 1/200 000 sec to 1/2 000 000 sec. Vela One's website explains, "A typical speedlight has a duration of around 1/20,000 second" "on its fastest setting." "Studio flashes are even slower."
_Edit: I meant, yes, in most use cases, an exposure time of 1/80 000 second will diminish flash fire's exposure contribution. But, no, it wouldn't necessarily make flash unusable. And although technically, flash_ power _is independent of flash duration, a flash fire's exposure contribution is, yes, a product of the flash fire's power times the flash fire's captured duration._
@@martinruiz398 Well well, a typical studio flash decays to 50% after 1/1000sec, 10% after 1/400sec or so - so you get the full Ws Energy on your sensor only with slower shutter speeds - else, you slice out a piece of the flash only. Seen relative to the ambient light, however, which encounters the superfast shutter, too, you have the 'full power' available.
1/80,000 of a second? I get the camera operates at the speed of light but that's ridiculous! Especially all of us who are used to a max speed of 1/8000 of a second.
This means you can use high speed lenses in sunlight and never need a ND filter. Heck this almost makes shooting in the afternoon "as the worst light" also irrelevant.
This is a game changer most of us have no idea how much. Its truly the greatest light capturing box ever made.
Unfortunately with large aperture lenses it's no better than the A1.
If you look at Sony's website they have a little note for the shutter speed saying you're limited to 1/16000 with apertures larger than f1.8.
@@TechnoBabble To be fair, i don't think many of us encountered any situations were shutter faster than 1/16000s was needed.
I don't think i've ever used faster shutter than 1/8000s myself, especially since up until two years ago i was still using my A7II which went only up to 1/8000s exactly.
You are right, this is a huge game changer, With my ELB500 flashes I can shoot out on sone really cool location and I can totally shut off the sun and create studio lighting on the top of a mountain at high noon.
It's like moving a location into a a giant studio!
I have already been doing this with the Sony a1, but now with the a9iii the efficiency is increadible and I can repace 3,000 and 6,000 watt packs and generators with ELB500 battery powered packs.
There is even micro second timing control in the a9iii to really maximize your flash lighting efficiency.
Have you tried it yet? I'm guessing not, since this camera was just announced and won't be released until next spring. It looks to me as if at its higher shutter speeds, this camera's capture duration will be shorter than the typical flash duration, effectively turning your flash into a continuous light -- as you turn up the shutter speed to "shut off the sun," you'll be shutting off more and more of your flash power as well. The microsecond timing will let you choose which slice of the discharge curve you capture, but you'll still be capturing only a slice instead of the whole thing...
@@jlwilliams Even if, what does it matter? It is still gigantic leap in efficiency compared to HSS.
@@jlwilliams Do you shoot overpowering the sun with a setup capable of doing 1/32,000s flash sync.
I do not need to try it because I already shoot in HS mode with the Sony a1. I also know a thing or two about flash light intensity curve.
The vast majority of the power is emitted in the first 1/3rd of a 0.5 flash speed duration. This is why in my correspondence with Sony about requesting global shutter I also brought up the issue of timing and how important timing is. Capturing a slice of the flash is no problem and far better than shooting at slower speeds of using weak HSS.
HS is in a sense a preview of what global shutter can do. I get really good performance with the a1 and the ELB500. I even have 8 sets and custom made soft boxes that can house 4 heads each.
I also shoot overpowering sunlight with very high power strobe using a custom made weaved twin flash head Elinchrom made to my request.
i use it to "move the sun" and shoot pleasing light angles even at high noon.
My guess is the sweet spot will be at 1/40,000s with the ELB500. Maybe a bit more if Elinchrom updates the firmware.
With my 6,000ws dual head and dual packs form my current experience they will still offer an advantage even at 1/80,000s
@@Eihei I'm already shooting at 1/32,000s flash using HS method with the ELB500. It's bloody fantastic. I can wear the wee pack in a backpack and put the small head on a cine cage and arm on the camera and shoot really freely and even with great auto exposure control allowing me to get close to the model and then step back without having to take readings again. I'm even looking into flying the ELB500 under a drone
1/3200 is not overpowering ambient light is killing it))..it doesn't make any sense, at the point shoot in studio against a black backdrop is the same))...and by the way I overpower sun since I not remember when, using cactus v611 transmitter with any system, and using power sync at 1/8000, which is the best speed to balance flash and ambient light using small aperture., because I can shoot iso 50 with great dynamic and color reproduction, while you with a9 must use native iso which is 250))). in addiction you cannot go above 1/16000 with larger aperture, like 1,4.
So, with the A9III you're basically limited by the duration of the flash, which changes on each power setting. If you used a shutter speed faster than the flash duration, you wouldn't get the full power of the flash at that power setting.
You can’t use a traditional flash to achieve what you are talking about. You need to get the compatible Sony flash for this. This was mentioned in the release of the camera video from Sony
That is part of the feature, isn't it? - The option to use a small slice of a full power flash, instead of powering down the flash, at cost of colour constancy.
@@lvproductionsinc9748 I think they mentioned 3rd party flashes too in the presentation. So, if you have a Godox V1 at 1/8 power, which has 1/6540 flash duration, wouldn't you be able to use shutter speeds of 1/6540 or slower with no HSS and no power loss?
@@GiannisChasKind of. Flash tubes don't turn on and off instantly, there's a kind of ramping up and down to their power.
Because of the way flash duration is measured, you'll likely be able to get most of the flash's power even with an exposure time half that of the flash duration.
I like how he has to collect himself and in real time translate his brain jumping for joy into words that other human beings can understand. The excitement pushes through in the video, and I just had to acknowledge that I get the excitement (as much as I can without actually having shot with it).
meh still the same crappy body and let's be real any high end mirorless got VERY fast sensor readout speed already so it's not a groundbreaking feature at all. Back in the day it was really the Graal due to the slow ass sensor readout speed but nowadays not so much
Welp time to sell everything lolol
Sony is absolutely killing it, pushing the envelope like always. The only concern is if there is a major dynamic range drop because of the global shutter. I'm going to guess there is a decent one and it'll be like 11 - 12 stops .
That would make it one of the worst DR stills cameras in the past 15 years. There's absolutely no way it's that low.
Bruh I thought that was a typo on the product announcement 😅
Reportedly, the α9 III's maximum shutter speed, 1/80 000 second, lacks continuous autofocus, whereas the maximum with it is 1/16 000 second, which, as seemingly as a downside of the global shutter, is lower than α9 II's, 1/32 000 second [Patrick Murphy-Racey, upload 5iGVZtROjhA, timestamp 1 min 59 sec, _PM-R TV_ @ RUclips, 7 Nov 2023].
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Global shutter...no more freaking HSS, no more wasted light, that's huge huge step up, seriously, i'm surprised that SONY released something like this, that's change a lot with strobes...And at the end of video i see Manny your lack of words, i have had the same jaw dropped when i read ''Global Shutter'' at Sony conference
edit: now i need $5999 to the next summer
Hold yer horses. We need to know whether existing flashes are compatible with this or you need a new hardware. I'm leaning toward new hardware. Sony love them dollars
@trym2121 I doubt, I think there is no speedlite/strobes prepared for electronic shutter in addition that fast, so we will have to change them as well. Thats not my case anyway, i just bought a74 so I dont worry about it for 4-5 years
What flash is that? Sony HVL-F60RM2? It seems that not even all Sony flashes work with the global shutter all the way to 1/80000. My third party flashes and older Sony flashes would still need to go into HSS beyond 1/500.
I’m writing this to you because you have used Sony equipment extensively. I’m using A7R5 along with Sony flash HVL-F60RM2 Sony FA-WRC1M Wireless Radio Commander. When I connect either of these units and turn them on. I started seeing a considerable lag when pressing the shutter and the shot being captured. Precisely, press shutter half way, EVF goes dark, appears to be looking for focus, and then the shot is captured. There is a delay. Turn the units off, no delay.
I have searched around internet, forums, youtube and have not found a definite answer.
I have come across some suggestions and have applied some of these but no solution.
Thank you in advance for taking the time and addressing this issue.
Dayum, noice!!
Its so amazing its even hard to understand. Sony is just killed the game with this camera. Amazing.
Wowwwww (manny at sony presentation voice). Sports is a niche that I'm not fully invested into, but the global shutter is intriguing for handheld and edgy stuff like music videos. Adobe enhance audio would revive that audio in a minute
The whole ISO starting at 250 isn't inspirational... see if they fix that. Also, no clue on the dynamic range..
you are choking on your words,
did you know even without the high shutter speed, that rain shot CAN BE DONE
just with the flash speed ??
its an OLD TRICK.
The flash duration can freese those rain drops.
the real test is outdoor with bright sun light.
To date, SONY own admission there is no flash that can powerful enough.
THAT IS WHY all their promo materials are shoot at sunset.
imo Rotolight for mobile use and powerful LED like the Nanlite FS and Forza series in studio are the wave of the future… not flash aways
I use cactus v611 trasnmitter with power sync with any flash. and I can shoot at maximum speed with any camera without any loss o power)) game changer for who? clearly it helps in flash photography, but game changer means you have never seen or used flash before.
How does this change / affect people who use strobes to capture images at the speed of the light (not the shutter) and cut out the ambient light (NOT using HSS or ND Filters) In things like indoor arenas? Any idea?
Getting back into photography and forgot I was subscribed to you channel 💪🏾💯 this just popped up on my phone lol
This is a sign to go all the way
@@DamnitHarold my thoughts exactly
The flash going of right at the end of the video (and looking really ugly in the footage) really hammers home the point 😂 Also that's why I think this camera will be popular with videographers as well as photographers.
You seem at a loss for words! Like you don't even believe it!!!
what am I missing ? 1/80,000 way shorter duration than most flashes set to 1/128 power ... what is that possibly good for ? Flashes at full power have a t.5 duration of about 1/1,000 second ... therefore you can't use full power at higher shutter speeds ... it's complicated because flash duration is not alway consistant ... but the general idea is ;intensity over time = exposure
You will be using a slice of the flash output. However the vast majority of the flash output is concentrated in about 1/3 of the flash's t 0.5 flash speed spec.
I already get fantastic results shooting at 1/32000s in HS mode with the Sony a1. Even at 1/32,000s if I turn down the power of the flash I see a drop in flash exposure so there is still an advantage. I also have heads capable of outputting 6,000ws with high speed tubes so I don't worry about using only a slice of the flash power.
Maximum shutter speed is 1/16000 only for aperture greater than f1.8.......I use f1.4 so this feature is useless for me and I can only use upto 1/16000
As long as it is a GLOBAL shutter @ 1/16000, it is still a game changer...
Plus with a base iso of 250 using my 50mm f1.2 outdoors would need NDs even at 1/16.000s
hey manny whats a good on flash camera from sony for my a 7iv as a begginer ?
I didn’t realize how bad all these Influencers and Camera reviews are until not one of you mentioned ISO starts at 250. Like bro thanks for not keeping it real anymore just to be apart of the invitation.
ISO Vlog 3 starts at 2000
80,000 shutter speed.
I've definitely seen them mention it. I think it was Jarod Polin.
And now a body with > 45 megapixel and I‘m set
To 95% of shooters this means absolutely nothing.
See you using wandrd backpack. 😂
DO 1/8000 can be achieved at any power from the flash without banding? Or only at full or half power.
You mean 1/80000 right?
Most flashes don't have that short of a flash duration...
Canon u are now on the clock for the r5 mark 2 and r1 Cameras lol
they better revamp those cameras coming
Canon is having a hard time catching up to Sony technology. Give them at least 10 years
lol that a9iii got less dynamic range than most cameras it's almost M43 territory lol
Truly amazing. Seriously. RIP, Canon and Nikon...
Gimmick no?
what a lot of flash photographers don't think about is this.. flash duration. When you're in studio and staying within a sync speed of 1/200, you're at the mercy of your flash duration. A Godox AD600PRO only gives you a 1/200 flash duration at full power, whereas a Profoto Pro 11 gives you a 1/3000 flash duration at an output of 600Ws. Now w this camera, it doesn't matter if your flash duration sucks, you can shoot at a high shutter speed (1/3000 or higher is usually needed for freezing motion) AND still have the power in your strobes to push light through a big mod and get you F/10 at ISO 100. This really is a game changer!!
I'm never going to be able to afford this camera anyways 😭 but I'd sure love to.
Yeah it's crazy
and this is ver 1.0...
Yes this is big deal, but the example shown was rather not practical or useful to explain why. With normal sync speeds of lets say 1/200th of a second in mechanical shutters you are limited to the strobes power in outdoor full sun. So a 500W light is having a hard time even at full power too far from your subject at f-8-f11 to bring the exposure of the outdoors down. However now, instead of shooting at F9 you can shoot a Profoto b10 (*with its t.5: 1/50,000 to 1/1300 Sec time at full power) at around 1/1000th at f4/5.6 in similar lighting or be able to use bigger modifiers or move your flash further away, or even shoot wide open and reduce the flash power a bit to lengthen the t.5 time.
Global shutter! Awesome! Thank you Sony! So expect Canon and Nikon to follow suit and introduce global shutter cameras for the 2024 Summer Olympics.
super sir.....!
1/80 000 !!!??? Not 1/8000
Manny, does it have the next generation CFEXPRESS Type A Gen 4 cards?
The next, in A9 IV, is going to be Universal shutter! (/joke)
1/80,000 second?! 🤯 Unreal!
He just misspoke I guess
@@onQQuincyno he didn’t👍🏼
its truly 1/80,000. Not a mistypo or misspoke@@onQQuincy
@@onQQuincy No he didnt, thats insane
@@Nonixification yeah that's insane this is WTF territory
I've always wanted a hasselblad for this reason ! Can't wait to drop the ND filters for portraits !
0:12 sound is ok Manny .... with my eyes closed, it feels like i am in the men's room at the basketball game after lots of beer.
Nice to see some new sensor tech, but in real life, little to no advantage over stacked sensor.
Will the unlimited flash sync be limited to on camera flashes ?…
For macro photography that would be interesting for catching bee's in flight or other fast moving insects.
Gamechanger 1000%
Manny is right, this camera changes flash forever
Manny does the video crop in or is it full frame as well
I have the A7R5. Yawn….😂
That's a true game changer.
Now all we need is the A1 II
Great video thanks for sharing. I do have one question since it can sync at any shutter speed and you don't have to use high speed sync on the flash, does that mean that you don't loose any power on the flash? Could you shoot say 1/4000 shutter speed at your flash FULL power? If so t hat is truly a game changer for photographers that shoot flash.
You will lose power when the shutter speed is shorter than your flash duration. So if you’re at 1/1 and flash duration is ~1/250, and you shoot at 1/4000, you’re only getting a small slice of the light from the flash.
Did anyone noticed redesigned new grip ? Sony is finally improving ergonomics. I think it's time for me to sell all my current gear. Not that I can afford A9 III but because Sony is doing such a great job that other companies seem to stagnate in comparison.
Yes the rounded off edges are a
Game changer for me the ergonomics have been my biggest gripe about sony as a cannon user wanting to change
Sounds like its a daylight camera, with iso 250 being the base. I was excited but the dynamic range is compromised.
How would you know? You don't.
@@Crazy_Dashcam_Videos specs
I think continuous light is on its way to being more of a thing for stills.
Continuous will never be an option for lightweight kits to do outdoor photography.
The other benefit of the fast shutter is shooting outdoors in harsh lighting with super wide apertures. Sometimes with event photography you don’t have a choice… capture the moment as it happens. Stopping down or ND has always been the solution, but now it’s nice that the option is there to shoot wide open if it’s needed.
Small print for 1/80000.- Maximum shutter speed is 1/16000 second when F1.8 or larger aperture is used. 1/80000 s speed not available when shooting movies, when using the Var. Shutter function, or when no lens is mounted.
@@bennievandermerwe7445 No big deal for video, but that is interesting about larger than 1.8…? Seems to defeat the purpose. Still, 16,000 is better than all Sony bodies currently apart from the A1.
As a starting ISO of 250
@@danfarmer_photo The original A9 is 1/16000 and the A9 II is 1/32000, both with a base ISO of 100. This camera is worse than those for the described use case.
@@TechnoBabbleWorse? 1/32000 at 100iso is equivalent for 1/80000 at 250iso. So how is that worse?
sony is always a game changer
You see how Sony does it Nikon? They innovate instead of copying and catching up!!!
My Sony A7R V can so such high fast flash too.
We've entered a new paradigm, the 4th one.
1) SLR
2) DLSR
3) mirrorless
4) global shutter
Overrated but still interesting as it will be nice to see global shutters in all cameras soon.
Makes sense - a single full-power flash is relatively long (eg Profoto B10 @250W: 1/1,300 sec till light power reduces to 50%). So with a very fast shutter speed, you can cut a small slice of the full energy of a single flash, and don't even need HSS (which technically is a burst of many small flashes). Provided there is no rolling shutter - which seems the main innovation here.
I asked Sony to add a specific feature to the a9iii that allows you to fine tune the flash sync timing down to the milisecond to you can even make shure you use the part of the flash you want to use the most.
Flash light output is a curve, so when you use ultra high shutter speed you also want to be able to get the slice of that curve that you want.
That would be a quite useful feature for sure! @@FredBGG
I don't know why Sony gives out features that are basically useless and many people pay for those useless features and you tubers like yourself get excited about it.
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For people like me shooting a loot on location this make a bigger difference than the last 10 years if fancy af advantage
Because what's useless to you is very useful to others! I shoot a lot of events and the combination of features in the A9III will be much better than the A7R5 + A7C combo that I currently use!
Sheesh, that focus point overlay on the ear's model and not the eye doesn't look great with all the Sony's talk about human estimation pose and AI autofocus. I know it's a minor thing but $6000 it's a lot and some improvements in that AI area would've been welcomed as the a7rv was the first one to implement that technology.
Pretty sure thats a marker for the still picture or such and not an AF point. Camera is in review mode not viewfinding
@@palleppalsson I know it's in playback mode and not shooting, but those overlays shows you where the camera has focused at that time. A7r5 has the same feature, watch Tony Northrup's hands-on at 3:10 and you'll see what i mean with focus point overlay. In tony's example you can see more clearly how the camera tracked the subject and where the focus box was.