The First Full-Frame Global Shutter Camera!! | Sony a9 III Filmmaker Perspective
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Chapters:
Intro - 00:00
Sensor - 01:05
Video Specs - 05:09
Stills Features - 06:40
Generic Thoughts - 08:01
Future Cameras - 08:40
Planned Firmware Updates - 10:09
Conclusion - 10:35
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You guys do excellent, consistent work for the filmmaking community. Thank you!
Thanks for the kind words and watching Emile! Jake
THEY DONT MISS
You guys did an impressive work in identifying the second base ISO. Well done!
By the looks of things the dealer meetings are much more aesthetic and enjoyable than the media meetings. 10/10 would.
you guys make some of the best reviews out there, im excited about the video on the Dulens APO Mini Primes!
Hi Jake! Cheers from LA for the great work (as per usual). An exciting camera. I'm definitely someone in the know, we occupy a lot of the same technical communities and speak a lot of the same language. But I nevertheless wanted to say, your explanation of global shutter in this video in particular, is the most articulate and most concise explanation of it I have heard. I've heard it explained by dozens of technicians, camera operators, and manufacturers in person, as well as hordes of youtubers and videomakers, and I believe the way you put it is the way that best describes it for the person needing an introduction to what it is. And that's no small task. So the next time I'm asked what one is, I will just show them this. Just person to person, I appreciate that level of care and attention. It can be difficult to remember and focus on effective communication when we get to play with such exciting, intuitive tools. So thanks, mate. - Soren
You're one of the view who did some testing and discovered a few things, good job.
Great thanks! Looking forward to see your studio controlled tests about dynamic range and iso performance. Cheers
I’m so glad to see your preview so early!
As others have said, please get Xyla 21 🙌🏻
Can you confirm that you can bake in your own LUTs in your footage like on FX3?
Glad to see that it still has that noise reduction at 6400 iso. A few other reviewers said that it didnt, which was surprising since basically every full frame camera from sony the past 5 years had it
Thank you for the upload. In my day job I am a hybrid wildlife shooter, and I shoot freelance documentaries and weddings. This looks like the perfect camera to be my main stills body and also be a perfect B Cam to match with my FX3.
When you get a unit in studio to test, I would love to see testing on overheating in both a controlled studio environment, and also out in the field.
That sensor inside the FX3 and with internal NDs would be SUPERB 🙌
do like the 6K potential of the A9 III informative in depth review Thanks CVP.
You guys NEED to get your hands on a xyla 21. Nowadays I only watch the dynamic range part of Gerald Undone's reviews for cameras I'm interested in and for everything else I rely on CVP. Love the documentary length reviews. Can't wait for the full review! (also the Venice 2 review... got to work on a project shot on the venice 2. absolutely stunning footage. x-ocn is such a joy to work with!)
Salivating 🤤🤤🤤
This is the third time I've felt a true seismic shift for DSLR style cameras. First it was the Canon 5D mark ii recording video, then getting a Panasonic GH5 with 4:2:2 10 bit video, and now this Sony with global shutter in full frame. Incredible milestone unlocked! Can't wait for this to trickle down to other cameras too, especially ones that don't need the stills functionality that the a series has where it will make it more affordable.
Just wait for the DR . A revolution would be an Alexa true 17+ stop of DR at a reasonable price.
Can't wait until there's an updated version of the FX6 in a few years. That's likely what I'll update to from my FX3.
Would love to see a test with action sports and the A9III. Mountain biking, racing, skateboarding etc
At a similar price point, if you're a cinematography looking for full frame global shutter, remember that you can speed boost your red komodo so it looks like a full frame global sensor (with an extra stop of light!)
Nice to see that you was invested to Turkiye.
The real question on everyone's minds is the dynamic range sacrifice. Your footage makes it's seem like it hopefully isn't that bad. Would love for you to test the 4672 x 2628 16-Bit RAW video mode on this as well previous cameras have only been 12 bit I believe and that might look incredible.
100%, I'm really intrigued to see how it actually performs! Wish we had more time with the camera :( Fingers crossed we get it back in soon and get to do some proper tests so we can see how it properly performs! Thanks for watching, Jake
I wish it had open gate 4k for slog3. Im wondering if heif photo capture could be continuous at 30fps setting
Helo thank you for the indepth videos. Please help guide me on the best ssd or nvme drive I can buy for the ursa 12k and pocket 6k pro. Slightly off topic but please help.
Hope you get a copy to test the dynamic range. Have ypu tried for how long can it capture 30fps raw burst?
3:42 This is a VERRY important aspect!
Hi, you mentioned in the end “6k it can deliver that as well” do you mean it has open gate 6k capabilities? Haven’t heard anyone talking about that. Could you clarify please. Great first look at the camera. I’m also quite excited about the tech.
I want to see a full comparation between BMC 6K FullFrame vs. Sony A9 III. I want to see the dynamic range difference, noise levels, stabilization tests, autofocus tests.
I'm interested to see if this sensor or some variation of it makes it into FX9 II
What is the base ISO or dual ISO when used for HLG3?
Looking at all the comments i cant believe how many specialists we have. Everyone know better than producers (SONY)
the a9III is clearly for sports photography
The rolling shutter on my A7Siii is completely sufficient for me and is very good.
What is interesting in the video sector is the full frame 6K to 4K scaling up to 60FPS. This gives you a slightly sharper video, which looks very good in the 60fps range at 5:32.
So far, Sony has no direct competition for video in the consumer market. And they know that.
-Panasonic with the still not perfect autofocus and 4k Corp from 60P and Full HD 120FPS.
-Canon also has autofocus there and is still struggling in terms of dynamic range and even has an R5C.
Which doesn't mean that the other manufacturers aren't better in many areas for video, they just lack exactly the points that Sony is ahead of, such as autofocus or lens selection and their design.
Luckily, that can always change when Panasonic comes out with an S1hII and messes up everything in terms of video, or Canon releases the long-announced R1. Not much has changed since the announcements of the A7SII/FX3 and R5.
I'm excited to see what's to come next
05:26 unfortunately still no 25p for the XAVC HS 4K Codec😥
Please would you test shooting rooms only lit with LED stips like big industry construction sites.
Need a run and gun video with examples of handheld vs ergonomic rig
Has Sony given any info if the FX3 is gonna get the same updates as the A7SIII?
best things in our lives is underrated… like this channel in youtube, like batman in gotham city
the pixel pitch is a little high 6,4 um
but fullframe sensor should compensate that
the benefits are visable high
Some of these features would of been nice to see on the Burano but I’m sure dynamic range would have taken a hit
Look at Komodo… it’s doable
@@ItsBerg r3d is doing a lot of the leg work
@@joaobelem1508 absolutely.. red raw is still king. Who cares if you have global shutter but a shit codec?? Hybrid video still can’t rival cinema camera image quality.
I don't even watch camera reviews unless you all upload! Then I know its worh my time!
toady :)
Hoping that the new grip
Becomes the standard.
Just subscribed, please shoot some 60 frames per second video with it and upload it here!
Would rather they just record the video at 6k60 and 3k120 instead of pushing them both into a 4k container. Also, open gate would be really nice; this certainly has the readout speed.
When I saw the announcement, my first reaction (as I am not a photograher :p) was "this will go in an FX9 Mark 2". If they can make that happen, with CF Express Type B instead of XQD and the raw output also on the HDMI ike on the FX6, this would be a banger !
(I've read below that you talked to them about shooting video in 3:2, and I would love that so so much BUT as Sony tends to like segmenting its range and Burano not having it, I sadly can't see them bringing that feature in the A9III or the hypothetical FX9II... But I would LOVE to be wrong :p)
Sonys whole product line is so messed up with segmentation and gets even more convoluted with their updates.
I skipped Sony because of this, how can they have cameras that are in the cinema line that don’t even have shutter angle or proper ways to monitor exposure like false colour or el zone.
@@colinthomas2525it takes time sony are always pushing the boundary and they do listen to their consumers. I am sure the fx3ii is going to bring all the tool cinematographers been asking for.
It’s not the first Full-Frame Global Shutter camera. It’s the first Mirrorless FF GS camera.
DJI the drone company released a 45MP FF Global Shutter camera with interchangeable lens called the Zenmuse P1. I know because I bought one for my Matrice 300 RTK drone. The P1 costs $6500
The P1 sensor uses a "global mechanical shutter", which is a mechanical, not an electronic global shutter. Big difference! It's only going to provide mechanical global shutter in still image mode, not during video recording.
@@87solarsky I’m strictly addressing the false claims that the A9viii is the first full frame global shutter. Reviewers need to reflect this accurately. The P1 is made for high speed photogrammetry which is the collection of georectified photos called a photdataset which is then processed into photorealistic fully mensurated 3D models. They went with a global shutter in order to allow the drone to fly faster while still capturing non-distorted imagery. It actually takes photos from the same geo location from different angles which help to capture building facades more accurately.
You all not having 100k yet is a RUclips crime.
Watched your review on my 65” Sony OLED. The Dulens APO mini prime 43mm looks horrible. There is so much CA it is very distracting. Please don’t call it a “unique characteristic or look”, it looks terrible. It appears the “track” portion of the review was with Sony lenses, they look amazing. Once again, a fantastic review.
I wouldn't say that's how the Dulens look normally (Check this - ruclips.net/video/Odga-tYQ3Vk/видео.html) What's adding the aberrations and other funkiness is the Module 8 adapter I mention in the video. Thanks for watching James! Jake
7:01 😲
Is anyone gonna talk about the fact that the sync speed of the shutter heavily depends on on the strobes T time. Weather thats t 0.5 or t 0.1. That’s the real delineation of what sync speed will be most efficient to getting the Strobes FULL Powerput. To get full power out of some 600ws strobes out there, non HSS, the t time stays around 1/200s to 1/300s for the more expensive models. That means you’re real EFFECTIVE *sync speed would be really no more that that. Of course the lower the flash power, it will exponentially grow to faster speeds, some to 1/16000.
t time is the flash duration the.
t 0.5 being the value of the time it takes for 50% of the flash output to disappear and t 0.1 being the time for 90% of the flash power to disappear.
a7sIV with the global shutter?
Tbh, I'm not excited at this camera cause I'm not their target audience for this. What I would like to see is to have this global shutter in a ZV-E1 style body (same size), with all the dials (3 of them on the left size), more rugged form factor but still maintain the same size, put in the best LCD possible with A7RV style screen, squeeze in solid state cooling fan from Frore Systems so it doesn't overheat, dual card slots. And for Sony to release 1.8 series of lenses that is matched, minimal focus breathing, same size and weight something like what Panasonic is doing and add in computational photography for "auto" mode for days that I just want a nice picture with one click. Now that would be a dream camera to own. Though it's technologically possible, it's not viable, but let's see what the future brings.
Its a huge leap forward and I don't understand why Sony Products/Marketing team didn't started new Model series for Global Shutter mirrorless. "Just mark 3"?
Hopefully the IBIS is as good as gimbals!
Still no h.265 codec in 25p... Sony really need to fix this since in the Uk we basically cannot shoot in XAVC HS since 25p is not available, but is available in all the other codecs I am really wondering where this limitation come from, it's present in all the new sony camera with HEVC codec.
This is something that was voiced to some higher ups at the event, so fingers crossed they fix it! Jake
8:28 Is this really a new feature for Sony? Olympus has been doing this for a decade.
Thanks for the great video guys. Did you get the chance to ask Sony if they plan on enabling open gate video on any of their consumer lineup cameras? Being limited to shooting 16:9 on a 3:2 sensor is really a major downside for many video shooters and one of the reasons why I can’t recommend Sony, especially when Fuji and Panasonic offer open gate at cheaper price points.
We actually did say that to them!! Fingers crossed they listen ;) Jake
You guys are the best. CVP my fav RUclips channel for camera related content.
@@felixgeen6543 Glad to hear it, thanks for watching! Jake
They'd probably R&D it if there were genuine consumer demand. The problem is that consumers are buying their cameras in great numbers, which means consumers do not care about open gate as much as some people think consumers do/should. It's never a wise use of resources to cater to a minority. Remind me about Panasonic and Fuji's mirrorless market share.
@@POVwithRCall valid points but Sony has been crushing it for years but imho their sales are all people who needed the best autofocus first and foremost. If Fuji and Panasonic had the same tech they would not so far behind.
this is almost like what electric cars did to combustion engines. Game changer. Hopefully other manufacterers will either buy sony's sensor or produce it themselves.
The price is like RED KOMODO, although I think KOMODO is a better camera for a filmmaker. Of course, as a hybrid camera it has no rivals
Base iso for slog 3 is on 2000, ouch that's quite a high number, is there a reason why sony using iso 2000 for the base iso?
As the base ISO for photos is 250 on this camera having 2000 for SLog3 makes a lot of sense, it's 2.5 x 800 the base ISO of cameras that have ISO 100 for photos. The reason seems to be some technical limitation of the global shutter sensor.
2000 is not that high. It is a very practical iso for adequate DOF in full frame video with lighting at 500lux. You need about 30cm of depth of field in a typical closeup as in a discussion in a film or a tv series. With crop factor cameras you can get 30cm at f4 iso640, so that is where you want good dynamic range in crop factor cameras. The f6.3 equivalent on the full frame requires much higher iso, 1600 for the same depth of field. Photography camera modes do not have enough dynamic range in highlights for use in video, so manufacturers add two stops by using an iso 2 stops lower, base iso of 160 in super 35 and crop factor, and use a lut that boosts the image by two stops to get iso640 shadows and exposure, but shapes the highlights to preserve them, so they remain iso160. That is why the high dynamic range video mode is 640 and not 160. A full frame camera with large pixel and greater dynamic range can probably add 3 stops and still have OK shadows. A 250 becomes 2000.
Is the sony number 1 in the film and foto category?
global shutter is great, but can we close down the shutter angle on this camera? lets say to 90º or 45º?
Here on Christmas day 2023, I find the yearend goal achieved: 100K subscribers indeed [04:48].
Sigma fp is the 1st Global Shutter Full Frame camera
… no, it uses a normal 24,6 MP BSI CMOS (rolling shutter) sensor from Sony. 🤷🏼♂️
If I understand the specs (maybe I don't - I'm no expert), Sony is once again releasing an exciting camera but, on the filming end, lacking true 24fps. I find this odd, but I guess the explanation is in the market they are targeting.
Sony alpha and Sony cine are two different divisions
Guys come on! What about the 9x7?!? Been around for years, imax camera with a global shutter.
What is with all the hype?
The Holy Grail of photography is a high dynamic range BSI CMOS sensor with a readout speed of 1ms or below. Not a low dynamic range low resolution global sensor.
still no 6k open gate ... and price could be lower , like 4900$. Might be perfect camera for sports photogs but still will be a niche camera
dude why didn't you shake it like WAY more when you had the chance
Canon never had a global shutter DSLR. Blackmagic did. I forgot this is a channel more geared toward consumer devices. We embedded system engineers used to swap sensors on cameras and use the guts of canons (5d mark ii) and nikons.
Can you please link me a source for Canon's Full Frame Global Shutter please from 2009? I don't think you watched the video, as I did mention that Global Shutter isn't a new thing in video cameras, but it is a new thing that the A9III uses a full frame one. Jake
@@CVPTVen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_EOS_5D_Mark_II
Canon + MagicLantern. There are other solutions too, that serious directors and embedded engineers have been making their own camera systems for a while. BlackMagic Cameras have been 4K and Global Shutter since 2012-2013.
The Sony a9iii is a game changer for people and regular folks that don't partake in (embedded) engineering. We've been using these setups in hollywood, churches, and other pro-venues since about 2008. But the sony a9iii will do what you want for $6_000. Sometimes the color bayer layer is different with sony and fuji and they end up looking purple and green cast of color. So everyone who likes a different color (grading science) grabs a Red, Black Magic, Canon or aria. $6_000 is alot for a regular camera. The most important thing on a camera are the available lenses with a good aperture and auto-focus capabilities.
There is no mention of the 5D MKII being global shutter on that Wikipedia page. Have you got an actual source to backup your statement? Have you watched the video? I mentioned that GS for video isn't a new thing, it's the implementation of a FF GS which is. Jake
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I just buy a 7vi
what, a7siii cant do 4k 120p full width?
1.1x crop
Are you in the habit of asking questions you already know the answer to? Maybe life would be easier if you'd just directly say what is on your mind 😊
No, it applies a 10% crop. Small enough to essentially be negligible, but not technically full width readout.
👍🏾🙏🏾. 🏴🇸🇪🇹🇹
Imagine a fx3 mk2. 🙄
This is one impressive sensor!! But global shutter sensors are still too expensive for more general adoption over rolling shutter. In terms of a hybrid camera, for $6k you're better off getting the A1 than the A9iii. They are both grossly overpriced in my opinion, but at least with the A1 you are getting a much more balanced set of features on the photo AND video side of things, not just photo.
it MAY sync with flash at very high speed
BUT
the flash that can power enough light at high speed
does NOT exist
that is why SONY own slide shows sunset sync.
ie ITS A VERY DIM flash light.
its laughable that SONY shows such a pic which can be done
with regular camera and flash.
abeit at lower shutter speed. Basically the same shot.
It’s not on the market yet.
I love Sony and my a7c but the footage and photos looks so bad from this a9? I don’t understand the praise?
Serious point. If you think your review is unbiased, after Sony invited you to an exclusive event like this, you don’t understand how bias works. Reciprocity is a powerful bias, subconsciously you’re in Sony’s debt. It’s why they do events like this. And I know, because I used to work at an agency that did this kind of activation for clients, including Sony. The better the event, the better the reviews.
Bruh every company does demos and send sample/test cameras to creators.. canon does the same thing ..😂
Sir, doth thou know Jake?
Couldn’t agree more.
Really tired of the added disclaimer after the legally required disclosure; “I received something for this video”, “that doesn’t affect my opinion in any way”
Give a bad review. Dont get invited back.@@LochNessAnthony
This is not the first Full Frame Global Shutter Camera.
overkill? lmao
Rolling shutter is the most bizarre example of lobbying into photography industry.
It's defective, slow (frame rate), and, yet, largely produced, just because some moron had money and influence enough to make his stupid invention, the norm.
Sony is also in the vanguard of just-like-human-eye curved sensor, allied to variable aperture lens set-up research. To prove wrong, all the myths filmmakers made out back then, to demeritize human eye capabilities, like the constant hallucination myth. So they can, nowadays, sell "hdr" tvs, with the argument that human eye is less competent than a 2000's digital camera, and it's the brain that make-up all the details in the under and overexposed regions! So, only with an "hdr" tv, you can see, in hdr!😂😒
Great camera, do not forget to mention that it will have 0-1 FW upgrades after it is released and in a couple of years, you can buy it for about $2000...
Oh fuck, he said ”bunch”… it’s a no from me… thanks a bunch…