It’s funny to see this. I owned the amp in question for 5 years. I sold it in 2013 and it’s in Canada now. Was a great amp….based on the guy u sold it to and the way he treated his gear he had that amp is probably in his dirty old shed in parts. Sorry to disappoint ya all. I did sell it for a ton though. I got lucky. Basically everything this guy says is true to the best of my knowledge. The mod was done well. But a Jcm 800 taken to Dave Friedman can get u the time u want. Jp
Yeah right 😂 if you owned it and knew exactly what it was, you would have told all the big names in the guitar industry and big stores and most likely slash would have bought it as he’s said himself he’s never been able to recreate the tone. You’ve never owned it
@@AD4M1873That’s a pretty good point! That amp would be worth serious bucks, plus you’d have to not care about music at all to not want to get it back to Slash.
@@darthvader421 I don't see anything great about the amp tone wise it's just a historical figure because it was on the biggest selling record Geffen ever released. But the amplifier isn't some phenomenal thing at all for 80's records
nah, it's not that simple mate. I'm so sorry, Slash LITERALLY use Vintage modded Amp created by Legendary technician, Recorded by High End Studio in L.A that has so many legislation records. It's safe to say that Marshall AFD 100 with 1960AV is probably the most closes tone We could achieve "for now"
@@YesJustTiaI can't hear any difference in the guitar tone between Appetite, Illusions, Lies, or Spaghetti Incident. GNR guitar always sounded the same to me
Its not the tone that give that magic to the album, its the SONGS!! Because songs, melodies, this album sound like that. Sound of guitar and all that gear neards stuff is secondary.
@@buraksarier6788all of the live tones for that tour are great. Sadly you can’t really recreate them without having an arena’s acoustics which are huge part of the heard sound.
I built a JCM 800 clone and added the #36 mod (with the switch), along with fx loop. Adding the switch was a waste, I love the tone and never turn it off. That tone is pure Rock-n-Roll.
I was in touch with Tim Caswell...he made his legacy mod #39 on my 1974 JMP...and he was wrote me about another bands using #39 that time...listen power station..."komando song"...we faith for love...for example...!!...(;...
Couldn't have said it better myself. ... "Rock n Roll Folklore". I remember listening (worshipping) at the alter of AFD on cd in 1989 on my cousins brand new and new fangled compact disc player and thinking this album is something magical. This is *one* of the tones I've been chasing as a metal guitarist ever since. Great vid!
I agree. After that they lost what was a huge key to making the band so dope. They did have a couple great songs, do not get me wrong. November Rain is a masterpiece, but that's about it
I heard it wasn't all the SIR 39 and that the producers used a mix of another amp to achieve that sound. Apparently there was a dry split of Slash's guitar and they reamped it through various amps for different songs to thicken the sound but nobody seems to know where Slash's dry take is. My theory is they probably got what they wanted and recorded over the dry take to save tape.
I remember from years of reading about this whenever it came up... 39 was used to cut the demo, 36 was used for the album. So Levi for the win. That said, all are gritty and push the high end in the room. Perfect for Slash's playing ( even the 34 mod) but it gets old if that is your one tone. Good tip on the EQ btw. 800's are still the best platform to start from.
It says that Marshall tried to recreate the afd tone with the 2555sl. That's not true. I owned that amp. It was simply a faithful reproduction of the older 100w 2555 jubilee. Just with slash graphics.
That’s what I heard too, never got a solid info about but people say he really used it bc some pics and some early interviews Definitely Izzy is the real deal man
From I understand, Izzy used a Carvin combo that seemed to be more or less a Mesa copy with built in graphic eq. I also heard he played through an old Fender Bassman head, but I’m not sure what year it would have been. Guitars? More than likely his black LP Custom with maybe the Gibson ES-125 he had on the inside cover of AFD. I don’t think he got the white 175 until they were touring.
I think the album was a Fender Bassman into a Mesa Boogie cab. He used a variety of stuff live in that era, but settled into a Mesa Boogie preamp, and I don't remember what power amp. It was a long time ago.
A lot of Izzy's guitar was a white ES-175D which I believe was acquired brand new in 1987. Verified by Izzy and others. It was up for auction a few years ago.
@@diddymercs I remember reading somewhere that Gibson actually gave him that guitar and to me is his most iconic. I thought he got it right before the tour, but I'll take your word on it being on the sessions. Honestly, even with Slash's equipment, it's fairly murky as to what actually made it on record, since they actually had quite a bit of equipment around them. Derrig LP copy, 60's SG, BC Rich Warlock, Jackson Firebird, Fender Bass VI, Gibson LP Custom, ES-125TDC, ES175, Howard Roberts Fusion, and the acoustic used on I Think About You that no one ever seems to mention XD. I would honestly believe Izzy's amps were the Mesa/Bassman combination and the Mark iii head depending on what Mike Clink thought would work best on a particular song
My old Orange OR120 does a pretty good job of nailing his tone. I don't use pedals very much at all or ever touch the gain (always set at 5), rather I just use the volume pot on my LP to clean up or push the amp. I love his AFD tone & certainly think he sounded better on that album & Lies than he did on any of their or his subsequent stuff.
Nobody is gonna talk about how he kept his wah always ON, and rolled off his tone knobs to get that sound!! Bridge pickup rolled off to about 2 and neck rolled about 4. Try it out
@NN1982nn look it up! You never hear the wah going on with a clank sound as it switches on as he does the fast run in the sweet child o mine solo, cause it was ALREADY on the whole time, he just stepped on it and starts cranking it up and down with his feet. Look it up. Inside secrets.. also try it out Les paul, neck pickup tone knob at 4 Treble pickup tone knob at 2. Turn the wah on and put it fully down. Put your neck pickup on and play the intro of sweet child or the solo of nov rain. That's the tone. Another guys who do it are:- Michael Schenker , half cocked wah in the solos sometime. Mark knopfler on the intro of money for nothing.
@@bohoobah9518 He doesn't, over 80% of this entire comment section is making things up, for example how many songs have you heard where the engineers leave the click of the wah audible on the track? It's just a mess, don't believe anything you read on this comment section.
Tone is 70% in the speaker, 30% in the amp. The amp will sound different depending on the room but close mic’d and in a mix all of that goes out the window.
I have duplicated it (at bedroom volume) with an Orange micro dark, Boss ME-80 multi effects box, Cheap crate 4x12, 2000 model gibson Gary moore les paul with burstbucker pickups. I can play appetite and this combo side by side (at bedroom level) and you cant tell the diffrrence.
How has SIR#36 & #39 not been found!!?? One of the greatest recorded guitar tones and the biggest selling debut record of all time. Somebody sittin on some $
The 80s was a wild time so there is a non zero chance it's been either destroyed or altered beyond recognition. Also despite internet penetration & proliferation believe it or not some people are just not very online types & could have completely missed out on the buzz while having treasure sitting in their garage. Who knows. The place that used to rent it did keep some old amps around so it's not impossible it got pulled for safekeeping after they became aware of its importance. Also not impossible that it got sold off as used gear during the 90s (grunge & whatnot).
Much like rock itself, we didn't know what we had, till it's gone. I can imagine some musician strung out on heroin, selling it for one last hit and it ending up at the bottom of a garbage dump.
Man, just read couple of negative comments! Well I thought this was well done and cool. Your playing is very good and the tone you had there was very classic GnR tone. I have some Slash profiles on my kemper and it definitely sounds very close, but of course the Kemper never sounds quite as good as the real thing, but pretty damn good....and you can do it at quiet bedroom volume. You definitely need an EQ or treble boost to approximate these tones. At times my Les Paul neck pickup will approach strat like tones.
Thanks man, really appreciate it! Yea, keeper was my teenage dream a couple years ago, I’m using tonex software and nam (free software) rn sounds pretty decent. Thx for commenting
@@GuitarKingdom1 yea, the kemper is cool. I think tonex and Cortex are just as good or better im sure. I got a good deal on the kemper and it’s great for what im doing at home. I have a 1x12 cab I use and it sounds better than my tube amps at low volumes. But yea man, your tone seems pretty spot on. I can dial mine in closer to what you have there but I prefer a slightly less harsh tone personally, but definitely in the same territory. Your playing is great 🎸👍🏼
Slash's tone on Apocalyptic Love is ny favorite sound of his hands down. But the AFD sound is also amazing. Come to think of it, The Apocalyptic Love sound does sound kinda similar only a little tho
I feel like if you know what your doing , you can make any amp sound like anything? I do believe Marshall amps are the key to any great tone. I realized im not a huge fan of distortion, im a huge fan of the "attack"
It's impossible to recreate any recorded guitar tone ...you can get close but anyone knows the signal chain the guitars the board the effects the EQ the reamping and multi tracks are one of a kind and has so much to do with"sound"...helps to start with a good tone
I’ve been a slash fan since day 1 bro, and I only got close to his tone(not so I can copy him but feel inspired) by using the closest gear to what he actually did back then. so I tried the famous boosters and they great but they just don’t match the style of sound, so I searched more about his boosters and found a few and they’re all clean boosters so I only recommend the eq booster from boss and mxr (7 and 12 band) and actually his signature one which is also clean
@@becauseiwasinverted5222 yes you can get damn near close if it's a very transparent OD, I actually have a video on my channel showing that, I add an OD to my Plexi and it gets VERY close.
@@guitarlair It all depends how loose you are in your definition. If you're just approximating sure you can roughly EQ to it. If you're looking to get the actual sound there's only one way and it's to replicate the signal chain.
@@becauseiwasinverted5222 during the Marshall AFD100 project, they did give a quick glimpse inside. And yes, while Frank Levi was alive I chatted with him a lot about the mod. He also helped me via email while I was performing the mod. Amazing man, god rest his soul. There is plenty of information online about the mod and how to do it. I’ve worked on a JCM 2203 and my JMP 2204. Sounds great.
@@astro2069 That's #34, not 36. The mods are similar but different enough. And this video isn't about 36. As to Frank Levi I never got to chat with him but not sure I share the sentiment. He refused to tell people the exact 36/39 specs (only gave hints & "advice"), despite not doing anything with the circuits commercially himself. I also think he may have been actively BSing people by giving different specs to different folks.
Don’t forget his Les Paul which is still his favourite guitar - which was a replica. Gibson gave him two factory seconds in 87 at cost price which he called Stephanie and Jessica (he preferred Jessica and played her during the Illusion tours) then they eventually made him a copy of the replica LP. Many people way over do the high mids trying to do his AFD tone. Push a JCM800 or Jubilee head hard with a compressor, db boost, maybe some eq, and you’ve got the basics. For an SIR mod get a JCM800, find the schematics online and take it to a very very good amp guy and it’s possible. A guy on RUclips has done some. They sound awesome. But Slash used the SIR head once then jubilees from 87 to velvet revolver and there’s still jubilee heads in his rig for Guns today with the AFD and a snakepit head. Yet, his current blues rig, with the way milder pick attack, hollow body and tube screamer. The tone is totally different.
@@becauseiwasinverted5222hmmm this does ring a bell actually mate. often wondered why he takes jubilees on the road but the 800 to record. He could have bought many heads with that mod. George Lynch bought 4.
Slash sound in AFD blends very well with rythm guitar sound. LIke Angus and Malcolm. But separately speaking, Slash sound only sounds very good when soloing and spikes and difference very well, but when doing rythm sounds so high and out of the song. Thats why he is always doing licks and melodies not rythms in AFD.
my question is how do these guys know what sounds they want? especially when its so original? Like as fans, we like it because it sounds so good, but how did Slash just know it was "the sound" when he found it??
Solid video. But I would turn down the reverb on your narration. It sounds like you're in a tunnel or a cave. It's weirdly distracting. Also, you mentioned that you would detail how you replicated the sound in the video description text, but it seems like you didn't list it? Just checking. Thanks! Cheers.
Thanks for lmk man, really appreciate it so I can improve it. I actually recorded with my phone so it was a real reverb, I’ll fix that and this is my first sorta long video so it is very challenging ngl. I didn’t posted the description yet bc I need to know better before I do so, I’ve heard l1nks are no longer very welcome here. Thanks again mate
Style is a product of tone. Which comes from the fingers. Yngwie played a budget no game brand guitar with an unknown amp and still sounded like Yngwie. Likewise Van Halen on Vai's gear. Ende.
@@dezertfox3681 Again, declarations are not arguments. Being factually incorrect in your examples is also not helping your credibility. Yngwie played Fender Strats with FS1/HS3 pickups through a DOD250 OD into early '70s Marshall Leads. Any other signal chain would sound different. And EVH never played Vai gear on any album.
I gave the AFD and I would say it nails the sound of the album...IMO your samples are too much high end and not enough midrange. Another thing to consider is that for 90% of the album Slash used a Jackson and a B.C.Rich, the Les Paul copy arrived late and was used just for some lead work.
If Slash wanted to sound like he did in the AFD era again, there's nothing stopping him. From getting someone to modify an old Marshall to using effects from a Fractal system or using plugins and IR's from a PC to the console. Today you can sound however you want if you dedicate time and some $ which Slash does not lack
You didn't watch the video then. Until 2010 not even Marshall could replicate the exact Tim Caswell mod. Only Caswell knew what he did. Fractal would have no idea what was done.
@@iancclark1 SO here's the deal, playa! You can tone match this sound very easily. I've done it with a Line 6 Helix using a Bogner amp and a Mesa IR and lots of eq. Sounds just like the album. Plus it is well documented that the amp was actually modded by Wayne Charvel and was used as his test amp during the early 80s when he began making guitars. A pre amp tube failed and Wayne just modified the circuit using what he had on hand. It is probably the most widely documented amp in History. Tim Caswell worked at a Mcdonalds and would clean for Wayne on weekends. How his name got dropped in the mix is beyond me. Tim also claims to have served The Van Halen band and kicking them out of McD's when they got to rowdy. Who you gonna believe? Next thing you know Tim is going to claim to have built the Gibson replica played by Slash. AND marshall could easily duplicate it. IN fact, basic electricians could make the same circuit.
The AFD100 was not great.... it doesn't have the right materials or correct number of filter caps and it is built like a hair dryer. I was one of the first to own one when they were released. I honestly believe what we are hearing on the AFD album is Tim Caswell's Stage One circuit with EL34s that was cloned by Frank Levi when S.I.R. freaked days before the recording session and realized the original Caswell modded amp was out already. I have a 1980 JMP 2203 Frank Levi #34 Modded amp with all Tung Sols, Tung Sol 6550s for power and it gets the album tone 95 percent.... IMHO the AFD sound is this same mod with the with harmonic complexities of the EL34s as well! I would be interested to learn what Levi changed in comparison to Caswells Stage One Mod when he performed the #36 Mod.
I’d rather have a fender bassman with a tape echo. If you don’t know who that is, you should. there’s no doubt that was a modded Marshall, it’s not all that different from the Aenima sound. Adam’s modded JCM900. I think slash was using a JCM800 though sounds like it and Vunter Slaush said it. Not a fan of GnR, nothing against Vunter just so sick of hearing AFD. Play UYI instead.
I’ve heard it was v30 greenback but not so sure, also heard that slash has a collection of speakers he found rare and relatable for his tone those frequencies I shared on the video are pretty much the same I see on slash’s isolated tracks
@@GuitarKingdom1 i read 20+/-y ago text from man who work at that studio that time, labla story was thet only one box was in the studio with cl80 in it.. but do not know is it true
@@kresomag totally understandable man, this is still a mistery around this sound for sure this is why I decided to make this video so we can try to figure it out because the info we got sometimes are so far from what we think
You're missing the part how Slash stole this head and hid it for a while after the recordings. He admitted to this. I forget the rest of the story how SLR got it back.
Slash hid it in their rehearsal studio, not realizing their rehearsal studio belonged to SLR. After getting tired of asking for it back, SLR went in and took it, when no one was around. That's the story I got.
I just copied the tone of AFD Slash in my Amplitube. Problem solved. Let's get real. Any modelling software can easily copy any analog sound these days.
Eh, he could record this album with a H-H superstrat and regular retail-sold Marshall, and nobody aside from a dozen people would ever be able to tell a difference. I won’t deny that specific gear can inspire you to write in a certain way, but all of this „legendary Gibson/Marshall/%insert brand name%” nonsense is pure marketing. Regular listener and even vast majority of musicians won’t notice that.
Slash will always sound like AFD cos slash is playing the fucking thing… can’t be doing with gear snobs, gear equates to about 3% of why someone sounds how they do
Bullshit ! That amps didnt change rock forever, didnt help define a generation of rock musicians... neither cemented slash as a star. He could have used ANY amp and it would all been the same !
It’s funny to see this. I owned the amp in question for 5 years. I sold it in 2013 and it’s in Canada now. Was a great amp….based on the guy u sold it to and the way he treated his gear he had that amp is probably in his dirty old shed in parts. Sorry to disappoint ya all. I did sell it for a ton though. I got lucky. Basically everything this guy says is true to the best of my knowledge. The mod was done well. But a Jcm 800 taken to Dave Friedman can get u the time u want. Jp
Wow. Didn’t expect this video to reach this far… a lot respect for you to share this amazing piece of history, tysm Jp
Yeah right 😂 if you owned it and knew exactly what it was, you would have told all the big names in the guitar industry and big stores and most likely slash would have bought it as he’s said himself he’s never been able to recreate the tone. You’ve never owned it
@@AD4M1873That’s a pretty good point! That amp would be worth serious bucks, plus you’d have to not care about music at all to not want to get it back to Slash.
😂😂😂
@@darthvader421 I don't see anything great about the amp tone wise it's just a historical figure because it was on the biggest selling record Geffen ever released. But the amplifier isn't some phenomenal thing at all for 80's records
All I need is a JCM800 tone and Tube Screamer. Then you can have a Slash AFD
Bout it
And have Mike clink to do his thing
nah, it's not that simple mate. I'm so sorry, Slash LITERALLY use Vintage modded Amp created by Legendary technician, Recorded by High End Studio in L.A that has so many legislation records.
It's safe to say that Marshall AFD 100 with 1960AV is probably the most closes tone We could achieve "for now"
@@YesJustTiaI can't hear any difference in the guitar tone between Appetite, Illusions, Lies, or Spaghetti Incident. GNR guitar always sounded the same to me
@@bobowrathsovine. Yea, its pretty subtle differences for sure. Maybe more gain on the UYI and spaghetti albums.
Appetite is an unreal album but I've always vastly preferred Slash's tone on the Illusion records.
Exactly!
@@darthgibsonlp6631 true bro. I’m actually working on this content rn 🫡
@@GuitarKingdom1Mesa Mark iv and a Marshall🔥🔥🔥
And also do not forget Victoria les paul :)
Me to
They say the amp is not the #39, he wanted that one but George Lynch was renting it so they delivered him the #36 without telling him.
Its not the tone that give that magic to the album, its the SONGS!! Because songs, melodies, this album sound like that. Sound of guitar and all that gear neards stuff is secondary.
Although true, the tone is what influences the writing of a guitar part
@@_kunkle yes, but i doubt that they have that tone when they composed maybe on acoustic guitars , maybe drunk singing melody :)
Actually I preferred his tone on Illusions 1&2.
Tokyo 92 tone was the best
you're lucky then, because at least that circuit is known
@@buraksarier6788all of the live tones for that tour are great. Sadly you can’t really recreate them without having an arena’s acoustics which are huge part of the heard sound.
Yikes
@@weslipscomb4766 Arena and acoustics I never considered as bedfellows.
Sure seems like Izzy was a real key to the band
I built a JCM 800 clone and added the #36 mod (with the switch), along with fx loop. Adding the switch was a waste, I love the tone and never turn it off. That tone is pure Rock-n-Roll.
Dream rig man
I was in touch with Tim Caswell...he made his legacy mod #39 on my 1974 JMP...and he was wrote me about another bands using #39 that time...listen power station..."komando song"...we faith for love...for example...!!...(;...
I dig that “We Fight For Love” tune.
Gorge lynch used it in dokken as well
Couldn't have said it better myself. ... "Rock n Roll Folklore". I remember listening (worshipping) at the alter of AFD on cd in 1989 on my cousins brand new and new fangled compact disc player and thinking this album is something magical. This is *one* of the tones I've been chasing as a metal guitarist ever since. Great vid!
@@topfloorstudio2684 Thanks man, cool history 🫡🎸
Izzy's guitar playing is a huge part of that album, listen on a good stereo, killer groove and licks
Got me to pick up a guitar 30years ago...
Still my favorite Sounds/Licks/Raddness!!!Out to Get me🤘🤘🤘
Appetite tone is godlike. Illusions sounds almost cartoony and kazoo-like in comparison. It’s sad he never quite went back to AFD sound.
I agree. After that they lost what was a huge key to making the band so dope. They did have a couple great songs, do not get me wrong. November Rain is a masterpiece, but that's about it
I heard it wasn't all the SIR 39 and that the producers used a mix of another amp to achieve that sound. Apparently there was a dry split of Slash's guitar and they reamped it through various amps for different songs to thicken the sound but nobody seems to know where Slash's dry take is. My theory is they probably got what they wanted and recorded over the dry take to save tape.
I have the afd100 and silver jubilee. The jubilee nails his tone perfectly. Selling the afd100
You will regret it
I have both also and prefer the AFD but horses for courses and all that.
I remember from years of reading about this whenever it came up... 39 was used to cut the demo, 36 was used for the album. So Levi for the win. That said, all are gritty and push the high end in the room. Perfect for Slash's playing ( even the 34 mod) but it gets old if that is your one tone. Good tip on the EQ btw. 800's are still the best platform to start from.
Just sounds like typical bright crunch marshall with the mids and highs eq pushed !
2:30... it was a super lead...but the rare tremolo version!!!
It says that Marshall tried to recreate the afd tone with the 2555sl. That's not true. I owned that amp. It was simply a faithful reproduction of the older 100w 2555 jubilee. Just with slash graphics.
More importantly what amp did Izzy have for that crazy rhythm, did he use a boogie mk3 with a hollow body ES175D?
That’s what I heard too, never got a solid info about but people say he really used it bc some pics and some early interviews
Definitely Izzy is the real deal man
From I understand, Izzy used a Carvin combo that seemed to be more or less a Mesa copy with built in graphic eq. I also heard he played through an old Fender Bassman head, but I’m not sure what year it would have been. Guitars? More than likely his black LP Custom with maybe the Gibson ES-125 he had on the inside cover of AFD. I don’t think he got the white 175 until they were touring.
I think the album was a Fender Bassman into a Mesa Boogie cab. He used a variety of stuff live in that era, but settled into a Mesa Boogie preamp, and I don't remember what power amp. It was a long time ago.
A lot of Izzy's guitar was a white ES-175D which I believe was acquired brand new in 1987. Verified by Izzy and others. It was up for auction a few years ago.
@@diddymercs I remember reading somewhere that Gibson actually gave him that guitar and to me is his most iconic. I thought he got it right before the tour, but I'll take your word on it being on the sessions. Honestly, even with Slash's equipment, it's fairly murky as to what actually made it on record, since they actually had quite a bit of equipment around them. Derrig LP copy, 60's SG, BC Rich Warlock, Jackson Firebird, Fender Bass VI, Gibson LP Custom, ES-125TDC, ES175, Howard Roberts Fusion, and the acoustic used on I Think About You that no one ever seems to mention XD. I would honestly believe Izzy's amps were the Mesa/Bassman combination and the Mark iii head depending on what Mike Clink thought would work best on a particular song
My old Orange OR120 does a pretty good job of nailing his tone. I don't use pedals very much at all or ever touch the gain (always set at 5), rather I just use the volume pot on my LP to clean up or push the amp. I love his AFD tone & certainly think he sounded better on that album & Lies than he did on any of their or his subsequent stuff.
Nobody is gonna talk about how he kept his wah always ON, and rolled off his tone knobs to get that sound!! Bridge pickup rolled off to about 2 and neck rolled about 4. Try it out
That's not true
@NN1982nn look it up! You never hear the wah going on with a clank sound as it switches on as he does the fast run in the sweet child o mine solo, cause it was ALREADY on the whole time, he just stepped on it and starts cranking it up and down with his feet. Look it up. Inside secrets.. also try it out
Les paul,
neck pickup tone knob at 4
Treble pickup tone knob at 2.
Turn the wah on and put it fully down.
Put your neck pickup on and play the intro of sweet child or the solo of nov rain.
That's the tone.
Another guys who do it are:-
Michael Schenker , half cocked wah in the solos sometime.
Mark knopfler on the intro of money for nothing.
@@varunZinger Thanks man! will try, how do you know about this?
@@bohoobah9518 He doesn't, over 80% of this entire comment section is making things up, for example how many songs have you heard where the engineers leave the click of the wah audible on the track? It's just a mess, don't believe anything you read on this comment section.
Tone is 70% in the speaker, 30% in the amp. The amp will sound different depending on the room but close mic’d and in a mix all of that goes out the window.
I have duplicated it (at bedroom volume) with an Orange micro dark, Boss ME-80 multi effects box, Cheap crate 4x12, 2000 model gibson Gary moore les paul with burstbucker pickups.
I can play appetite and this combo side by side (at bedroom level) and you cant tell the diffrrence.
2:45 ‘It wasn’t just about distortion, it had a unique harmonic richness’
That is pretty much the definition of distortion ;)
How has SIR#36 & #39 not been found!!?? One of the greatest recorded guitar tones and the biggest selling debut record of all time. Somebody sittin on some $
I bet someone has it and knows what they've got
The 80s was a wild time so there is a non zero chance it's been either destroyed or altered beyond recognition. Also despite internet penetration & proliferation believe it or not some people are just not very online types & could have completely missed out on the buzz while having treasure sitting in their garage. Who knows. The place that used to rent it did keep some old amps around so it's not impossible it got pulled for safekeeping after they became aware of its importance. Also not impossible that it got sold off as used gear during the 90s (grunge & whatnot).
Much like rock itself, we didn't know what we had, till it's gone. I can imagine some musician strung out on heroin, selling it for one last hit and it ending up at the bottom of a garbage dump.
At this rate, it wouldn’t surprise me if #39 was abducted by aliens along with a few dozen cattle.
Either Joe Bonamassa owns it and is keeping it secret or it's in someone's attic/shed and they have no idea what it is.
They used multiple amps and multiple ESP and Jackson guitars too 😊
Also same amp George Lynch recorded Under lock and key with.Arguably his best tone.
Metaltronics amp I thought on that album. Could be wrong.
Same as tooth and nail. When I play a Baretta in my AFD it becomes obvious.
Parabéns pelo conteúdo de qualidade e técnico. Como chegaste à conclusão de que essas frequências específicas deveriam ser amplificadas?
I owned an AFD100. Was a very thin sounding amp. Regret letting it go though.
All you need is a decent marshall tube amp and an SD1..with a ge7 for leads
Man, just read couple of negative comments! Well I thought this was well done and cool. Your playing is very good and the tone you had there was very classic GnR tone. I have some Slash profiles on my kemper and it definitely sounds very close, but of course the Kemper never sounds quite as good as the real thing, but pretty damn good....and you can do it at quiet bedroom volume. You definitely need an EQ or treble boost to approximate these tones. At times my Les Paul neck pickup will approach strat like tones.
Thanks man, really appreciate it! Yea, keeper was my teenage dream a couple years ago, I’m using tonex software and nam (free software) rn sounds pretty decent. Thx for commenting
@@slashtrio you got a great playing and tone btw bro
@@GuitarKingdom1 yea, the kemper is cool. I think tonex and Cortex are just as good or better im sure. I got a good deal on the kemper and it’s great for what im doing at home. I have a 1x12 cab I use and it sounds better than my tube amps at low volumes. But yea man, your tone seems pretty spot on. I can dial mine in closer to what you have there but I prefer a slightly less harsh tone personally, but definitely in the same territory. Your playing is great 🎸👍🏼
@@GuitarKingdom1 thanks man🎸
Searching for good Slash tone?
Listen to the song Neither Can I from the album It's Five O Clock Somewhere.
Great tune
Slash's tone on Apocalyptic Love is ny favorite sound of his hands down. But the AFD sound is also amazing. Come to think of it, The Apocalyptic Love sound does sound kinda similar only a little tho
Not to mention the studio, double tracking, etc??? Yeah, it’s all in the studio.
Thanks, studio engineers know this and it fails to get mentioned.
You could use a Gorilla and after it runs through a million dollars of rack gear you couldn’t tell the difference.
What amp did you use for your recording?
It’s the last thing he said in the video, but I don’t see the info he said he included in the description. Rig sounded good 🤷
@@Moreyellowoh I’m using a modded Marshall nam, can’t post the description yet but thanks for watching it all man
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I feel like if you know what your doing , you can make any amp sound like anything? I do believe Marshall amps are the key to any great tone. I realized im not a huge fan of distortion, im a huge fan of the "attack"
Yeah. That KERRANG. At least in terms of real amps, you kind of need big tubes and big transformers to get, IMO.
It's impossible to recreate any recorded guitar tone ...you can get close but anyone knows the signal chain the guitars the board the effects the EQ the reamping and multi tracks are one of a kind and has so much to do with"sound"...helps to start with a good tone
Not to mention; studio techniques play huge role as well. can have best setup, but it wouldn't mean anything if it isn't recorded and mix right
It was paul gilberts of racer X amp
Also George Lynch used it for Under lock and Key.
@@dontwan4266 that makes sense
@@Glamosapien different modded marshall
It's not "sir" 39 it's S.I.R. 39. as in Studio Instrument Rentals a.k.a. S.I.R.
The AFD on Tonex sounds damn good.
hpw much is tonex?
AFD is the only Guns album i love start to finish, Slash has done some truly amazing work since then but little to none of it with Guns N Roses imo
right, i didnt care for other albums when they kick out that drummer
if it was plexi with a extra pre amp gian stage cant you just use an overdrive or boost of some sort to imitate the sound??
you can but then you don't have a "click bait" title.
I’ve been a slash fan since day 1 bro, and I only got close to his tone(not so I can copy him but feel inspired) by using the closest gear to what he actually did back then. so I tried the famous boosters and they great but they just don’t match the style of sound, so I searched more about his boosters and found a few and they’re all clean boosters so I only recommend the eq booster from boss and mxr (7 and 12 band) and actually his signature one which is also clean
no because that's not a tube and doesn't work the same way either. the original amp also had its voicing altered
@@becauseiwasinverted5222 yes you can get damn near close if it's a very transparent OD, I actually have a video on my channel showing that, I add an OD to my Plexi and it gets VERY close.
@@guitarlair It all depends how loose you are in your definition. If you're just approximating sure you can roughly EQ to it. If you're looking to get the actual sound there's only one way and it's to replicate the signal chain.
Or you can just mod a jcm800 yourself. Simple mod to do.
but then you don't have a click bait title and 10 minutes of wasted video.
@@user-qr7ee2cp4y for realz. the Cripz and Bloodz be buildinz 100 watters for a minute. They be hittinz the ampz hard core.
We dont even know what it looks like inside and you call it "simple"?
@@becauseiwasinverted5222 during the Marshall AFD100 project, they did give a quick glimpse inside. And yes, while Frank Levi was alive I chatted with him a lot about the mod. He also helped me via email while I was performing the mod. Amazing man, god rest his soul. There is plenty of information online about the mod and how to do it. I’ve worked on a JCM 2203 and my JMP 2204. Sounds great.
@@astro2069 That's #34, not 36. The mods are similar but different enough. And this video isn't about 36. As to Frank Levi I never got to chat with him but not sure I share the sentiment. He refused to tell people the exact 36/39 specs (only gave hints & "advice"), despite not doing anything with the circuits commercially himself. I also think he may have been actively BSing people by giving different specs to different folks.
I thought they always said Slash Marshall was base of the Jubilee?
A blues driver and Marshall head
Don’t forget his Les Paul which is still his favourite guitar - which was a replica. Gibson gave him two factory seconds in 87 at cost price which he called Stephanie and Jessica (he preferred Jessica and played her during the Illusion tours) then they eventually made him a copy of the replica LP.
Many people way over do the high mids trying to do his AFD tone. Push a JCM800 or Jubilee head hard with a compressor, db boost, maybe some eq, and you’ve got the basics.
For an SIR mod get a JCM800, find the schematics online and take it to a very very good amp guy and it’s possible. A guy on RUclips has done some. They sound awesome.
But Slash used the SIR head once then jubilees from 87 to velvet revolver and there’s still jubilee heads in his rig for Guns today with the AFD and a snakepit head.
Yet, his current blues rig, with the way milder pick attack, hollow body and tube screamer. The tone is totally different.
@@Dr.PaulInnerd slash owns one of the SIR heads (the one he used on UYI) and it's been his go-to studio amp since
@@becauseiwasinverted5222hmmm this does ring a bell actually mate. often wondered why he takes jubilees on the road but the 800 to record. He could have bought many heads with that mod. George Lynch bought 4.
Kudos for going in to the outro to Rockett queen which I think is a great song!😂
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Slash sound in AFD blends very well with rythm guitar sound. LIke Angus and Malcolm. But separately speaking, Slash sound only sounds very good when soloing and spikes and difference very well, but when doing rythm sounds so high and out of the song. Thats why he is always doing licks and melodies not rythms in AFD.
En realidad en una entrevista Slash reconoce que nunca a logrado conseguir el mismo tono, que el afd se parece mucho pero le falta algo...
my question is how do these guys know what sounds they want? especially when its so original? Like as fans, we like it because it sounds so good, but how did Slash just know it was "the sound" when he found it??
the creative heart of that band was Izzy.
Solid video. But I would turn down the reverb on your narration. It sounds like you're in a tunnel or a cave. It's weirdly distracting.
Also, you mentioned that you would detail how you replicated the sound in the video description text, but it seems like you didn't list it? Just checking. Thanks! Cheers.
Thanks for lmk man, really appreciate it so I can improve it. I actually recorded with my phone so it was a real reverb, I’ll fix that and this is my first sorta long video so it is very challenging ngl.
I didn’t posted the description yet bc I need to know better before I do so, I’ve heard l1nks are no longer very welcome here.
Thanks again mate
@@GuitarKingdom1 Sounds good! Keep up the great work -- it's nice to see your vids getting some traction!
Every guitar player needs a 100 watt super lead in their life
They used a Studio Amplifier.... Simple.
Sounding like an album doesn't matter what's important is that he always sounds like himself. So what?
Yes but how will I sound like Slash when I play the 'Sweet Child O Mine' loudly at Guitar Center?
exactly, smh. Slash has improved over the years as well
you know why he sounds like "himself"? because he's been playing amps based on that mod through his whole career
Slash could play through a Dual Rec and he'd still sound like Slash.
AFD had a less distorted tone than UYI
Tone is in the fingers. If any legendary guitarist played my gear they wouldn't sound anything like me. You'd hear the.
Style is in the fingers. Not tone.
Incorrect.
@@dezertfox3681 Declarations are not arguments. Have fun trying to sound like Van Halen with a Jazzmaster and a Twin Reverb.
Style is a product of tone. Which comes from the fingers. Yngwie played a budget no game brand guitar with an unknown amp and still sounded like Yngwie. Likewise Van Halen on Vai's gear. Ende.
@@dezertfox3681 Again, declarations are not arguments. Being factually incorrect in your examples is also not helping your credibility. Yngwie played Fender Strats with FS1/HS3 pickups through a DOD250 OD into early '70s Marshall Leads. Any other signal chain would sound different. And EVH never played Vai gear on any album.
I gave the AFD and I would say it nails the sound of the album...IMO your samples are too much high end and not enough midrange. Another thing to consider is that for 90% of the album Slash used a Jackson and a B.C.Rich, the Les Paul copy arrived late and was used just for some lead work.
If Slash wanted to sound like he did in the AFD era again, there's nothing stopping him. From getting someone to modify an old Marshall to using effects from a Fractal system or using plugins and IR's from a PC to the console. Today you can sound however you want if you dedicate time and some $ which Slash does not lack
You didn't watch the video then. Until 2010 not even Marshall could replicate the exact Tim Caswell mod. Only Caswell knew what he did. Fractal would have no idea what was done.
@@iancclark1 SO here's the deal, playa! You can tone match this sound very easily. I've done it with a Line 6 Helix using a Bogner amp and a Mesa IR and lots of eq. Sounds just like the album.
Plus it is well documented that the amp was actually modded by Wayne Charvel and was used as his test amp during the early 80s when he began making guitars. A pre amp tube failed and Wayne just modified the circuit using what he had on hand. It is probably the most widely documented amp in History. Tim Caswell worked at a Mcdonalds and would clean for Wayne on weekends. How his name got dropped in the mix is beyond me. Tim also claims to have served The Van Halen band and kicking them out of McD's when they got to rowdy. Who you gonna believe? Next thing you know Tim is going to claim to have built the Gibson replica played by Slash. AND marshall could easily duplicate it. IN fact, basic electricians could make the same circuit.
@@oldschoolrocker257 agree 💯. And also I believe there’s a lot people that would work for him to make it happen just for the passion
@@LOZi175 Can you do a video on how to tune our ears? tool
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The AFD100 was not great.... it doesn't have the right materials or correct number of filter caps and it is built like a hair dryer. I was one of the first to own one when they were released. I honestly believe what we are hearing on the AFD album is Tim Caswell's Stage One circuit with EL34s that was cloned by Frank Levi when S.I.R. freaked days before the recording session and realized the original Caswell modded amp was out already. I have a 1980 JMP 2203 Frank Levi #34 Modded amp with all Tung Sols, Tung Sol 6550s for power and it gets the album tone 95 percent.... IMHO the AFD sound is this same mod with the with harmonic complexities of the EL34s as well! I would be interested to learn what Levi changed in comparison to Caswells Stage One Mod when he performed the #36 Mod.
I’d rather have a fender bassman with a tape echo.
If you don’t know who that is, you should.
there’s no doubt that was a modded Marshall, it’s not all that different from the Aenima sound. Adam’s modded JCM900. I think slash was using a JCM800 though sounds like it and Vunter Slaush said it.
Not a fan of GnR, nothing against Vunter just so sick of hearing AFD. Play UYI instead.
I know where the amp is..... Cleveland
Not only is this hard to watch, it’s incorrect.
What about speakers? This is very important stuf
I’ve heard it was v30 greenback but not so sure, also heard that slash has a collection of speakers he found rare and relatable for his tone
those frequencies I shared on the video are pretty much the same I see on slash’s isolated tracks
@@GuitarKingdom1 i read 20+/-y ago text from man who work at that studio that time, labla story was thet only one box was in the studio with cl80 in it.. but do not know is it true
@@kresomag totally understandable man, this is still a mistery around this sound for sure this is why I decided to make this video so we can try to figure it out because the info we got sometimes are so far from what we think
@@GuitarKingdom1 is it v30 or greenback?
There's no such thing as a V30 greenback 😂😂
You're missing the part how Slash stole this head and hid it for a while after the recordings. He admitted to this. I forget the rest of the story how SLR got it back.
Slash hid it in their rehearsal studio, not realizing their rehearsal studio belonged to SLR. After getting tired of asking for it back, SLR went in and took it, when no one was around. That's the story I got.
Lynch tried to steal it too.
I used the boss be7 (bass eq) the same way on my jcm 602 combo since 98
The guy playing guitar on this video background was a slash monster.... 🎉 Wohoooo
Great Story
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got rid of my mint jcm800 pure turd. Use Matchless now and a 1964 deluxe reverb.
I just copied the tone of AFD Slash in my Amplitube. Problem solved.
Let's get real. Any modelling software can easily copy any analog sound these days.
Does AFD mean this very famous new German political party?
Because it wasn't a Gibson and the guy who made those is dead.
Remember no Izzy no G'N'R ! They had one album.
Damn right!!!
No Izzy, no Steve, GNR was done.
Illusions are awesome albums man don’t rob yourself of them. Izzy is all over those albums.
Izzy recorded the Illusions too, genius...
He won’t sound like AFD because Izzy isn’t in the band anymore.
Mate there are quite a few things wrong
Eh, he could record this album with a H-H superstrat and regular retail-sold Marshall, and nobody aside from a dozen people would ever be able to tell a difference. I won’t deny that specific gear can inspire you to write in a certain way, but all of this „legendary Gibson/Marshall/%insert brand name%” nonsense is pure marketing. Regular listener and even vast majority of musicians won’t notice that.
Slash will always sound like AFD cos slash is playing the fucking thing… can’t be doing with gear snobs, gear equates to about 3% of why someone sounds how they do
ok then show me slash on a tele through a tweed sounding like AFD.
Comments like yours show ignorance and bitterness.
@ he’d still sound like slash, you on the other hand would sound like shite
@@chrisbromley673 playing will always stay the same
@@MaddoxMelton whats the relevance of that statement?
the marshall afd 100 sucks, its not the audio of the real mod
after appetite...his tone sucked...to trebly and fizzy...weak and thin
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Save the guitar playing for TikTok bro, super distracting
Bullshit ! That amps didnt change rock forever, didnt help define a generation of rock musicians... neither cemented slash as a star. He could have used ANY amp and it would all been the same !
The background music is really annoying , don't take me wrong , you play good , but this is the wrong time to do it , just my opinion .
nothing special about the amp or his playing
That’s because ur tone deaf and named Hunter Biden
nothing at all, only one of the most acclaimed guitarists & tones of all time
He's a terrible guitar player.