Would the long gears bother you? Would you track this? More importantly, Jakub's cheap car challenge foxbody mustang video will be out this Sunday! ruclips.net/video/xwD32yNuATw/видео.html
No. As much as you complain, if this was your car would you really be banging if off the rev limiter? No. Is it annoying, kinda, but so are really short gears. It's a balance between revving the engine out and requiring gear changes. Keeping the car in third or 2nd and never having to shift on a stretch of twisty roads isn't the worst thing, and because of the revs you can down shift or upshift to downshift and play with the engine. A shorter second would be better no doubt, but not worth the cost nor would it keep me away from that engine and chassis. GT350 Owner so I can actually relate to having revs and gears.
I have to say I’m disappointed with that Porsche when you think of Porsche you think of perfection and with this one not so much but when you think of best car reviewers you think TheStraightPipes!!!! Great job as always guys can’t wait to see Jakubs mustang
If they fixed the gear ratio on the 718, it might catch up with older 911 GT3s, so Porsche Marketing Department stepped in and said no to a better gear ratio for the 718
As an E92 M3 owner with a 6spd I can tell you this whole gearing thing is blown out of proportion. When driving on the street where this cars will undoubtedly spend most of their lives the gearing allows you to drive smoothly and play with the revs a bit more than if you had short gearing. You can downshift pretty much anytime and enjoy the exhaust or upshift and enjoy the drive. I guess my point is you don’t have to be bouncing of the rev limiter each time for it to be a special driving experience. Great review nonetheless!
I too have a 6MT E92 M3 and have the exact same comment; the complaints about the long gearing are way overstated. In fact, they are wrong headed. Look at the torque and horsepower curve for this car and you'll see that the gearing is really optimized to maximize the driver's ability to wring the most out of the engine. You should also never lug this car at 3500 RPM. Keep the revs up (or downshift) and you'll be rewarded every time you accelerate. Plus, all the You Tubers who are focused on how the car is limited by the speed limit are really missing the point of this car. It's a civilized daily driver that is very track capable and can go very fast when appropriate/if driven the way intended. Maybe the problem for some is where you live. If you live where roads are narrow and there's not a lot of room to stretch this car's legs, I can see the frustration. If you live where there's more room to run, the long gearing is awesome. The gearing in the M3 is such a joy that I'm sure this similarly geared GT4 will be as well! By the way, why so much focus on the launch control, which is just a gimmick for people who can't use a clutch properly.
I Totally agree. These guys doesn't understand a thing about this car! Who revs a car to the limit of each gear everyday? This is totally stupid as this car is just amazing and looking fantastic. Please learn to drive properly first and then we'll talk. It's not because you make a nice duo with some funny jokes that you have the rightness to evaluate a car properly. Porsche shouldn't lend their cars to people who doesn't understand a thing. I'm really fed up with this long gearing issue only reported by internet reviewers. This is not an issue! This car is just amazing and doesn't deserve this kind of bashing.
Woah I sold my E92 M3 for this reason. Somewhat skeptical here on your post. I struggled as speed limits would be into jailtime if I ever hit 3rd gear. That motor is so sluggish and quiet below 5krpm (to your question of why anyone would do this). These aren't really good road cars. Great track cars. MUCH happier with my M2.
@@cwx8 Again, I think it depends on where you live and your driving style. I've put 125,000 miles on my M3 and never for a moment felt the gearing was wrong or the motor was sluggish. But I grew up driving high horsepower, naturally aspirated, long gear ratio sports and muscle cars. So maybe it's just what you're comfortable with. I'm not a fan of turbocharged motors (we have a twin turbo bmw and it has its merits but it's limitations in terms of flexibility outweigh it's merits). Plus the high compression and heat in turbocharged motors limits the life of the motor. Not many turbo motors get to 125,000 hard driven miles with no problems. If you want an NA motor with a manual, the trade off is typically long gearing.
drove the GTS 4.0 a couple of days ago. And the gearing is surreal on the autobahn. Normally you'd downshift into 4th or 5th in this one 3rd. absolutely hilarious. feels wonderfully old school - even though it’s a bit odd.
I’ve got the the turbo 2.5l gts with a manual transmission (they are actually kinda rare) and with that too I always use 3rd gear getting onto the Autobahn, even with the extra low down torque. I guess the manual transmission gearing is actually more bearable with the turbo engine because you have full torque at 1900 rpm...
@@flyingby3703 As most NA engines get 90% of maximum torque at 2000 - 3000 rpm and keep it till peak power, i dont't really see any advantage for the turbo engine, especially if you consider things like turbo lag. Third gear is like third gear in any other car, but the engine is capable of reaching higher speeds with the same gearing. If it would reach red line at 6000 rpm, you would have to shift like in any other car as well. The conclusion for people complaining would be, to shift at about 6000 rpm like in any other car, if they are bothered by the engine.
F Webe You see, this is where facts come in... Have you ever driven either of the 2 mentioned boxsters? I have driven the turbo one for 7000km and I have also once driven an older NA manual 911 for an hour. Your peak torque pf 420NM in the 2.5 GTS is reached at 1900 rpm and reaches to 5000 rpm. Max power at 6000 rpm. Redline at 7200rpm. Now compare that to the NA 4.0 Which reaches 340NM at 2000rpm, steps up to 360NM at 3000rpm and then builds to full torque at 5000 rpm. It reaches full torque at 5000 rpm where the turbo engine already had it since 1900rpm. You have a lot more fun with the turbo engine in lower rpm, especially because turbo lag is really minimal. If you are above 3000 rpm it is basically non existent. TLDR: Your numbers aren’t accurate, the turbo engine has 420nm of torque from 1900-5000rpm and the na engine only from 5000-6900rpm. This makes the turbo much more fun in everyday driving, despite the long gearing, as you have a lot of torque early on. For me it doesn’t matter anyway, I live in Germany where I have 100kph speed limit on country roads and no speed limit on the autobahn ;)
@@flyingby3703 yeah I imagine, though I was very surprised about the low down torque of the 4.0. expected less. Personally I think the 2.5L is in general the better and more usable car. 4.0 is a very specific thing.
911scales Yeah, and the 4.0 is definitely a great engine. If it had been released by the time we got our GTS we probably would have taken that. I just don’t like how everyone talks bad about the 4 cylinder car. It has it’s place, is really exhilarating, efficient (I have an average of 10l per 100km and 6k of the 7 k km were on country roads) and actually can be tuned quite far, if that’s your thing. Just the manual gearbox can’t handle it so it’s reserved to PDK owners. But as a redeeming factor mine is still without OPF 😉. All 4.0 engines have it.
Owning a Spyder (in Ontario too), I’d say the gearing works pretty well for me. The exhaust flaps open at 3700 RPM, not 4000; this corresponds to 63 km/h. I’m almost never below this speed on back roads (80 km/h posted limit) except in the tightest of curves. On back roads, I’m typically around 85-90 km/h, which corresponds to 5000-5300 RPM in second, which is right in the range of full torque. The top of second (136 km/h at 8K RPM) is a little quicker than I go on back roads, and perfect for highway merging and passing. On slow corners (below 45 km/h) I downshift to first. On back roads, I usually switch between second for corners, and third for more relaxed cruising down straights. I agree it would be nice to have a gear between first and second for corners between 45-60 km/h where downshifting to first would be possible but awkward, but second has enough torque to feel plenty quick for back roads.
While I get that it’s okay for cruising on back roads, shorter gearing would make it faster, especially given our laughable speed limits. 140 kph in second gear LOL? Something I like of my Sportwagen 6 spd is that the ratios are shorter than my previous Golf 5 spd. I would be a bit sad to loose that. After all, we choose manual to change gears!
MA L Second goes to 136 at 8K RPM. At 6K RPM (your golf’s redline) it’ll be at 102 km/h. A shorter second would indeed make it faster in some speed ranges, though it’s more than fast enough for the road as is.
@@sultanqasim Man, you're a rational successful person, who achieved and gain a great Porsche and know how to drive it well. Not like those two idiots who made this review, they want a Miatta but accidentally unfortunately got a 718 Spyder then they blame the best thing in this car which is the manual gearbox. IDIOTS !!
Rewatching this video after a year of driving my 2022 Spyder manual. You guys were too harsh on this car. I can tell you it’s an absolute legend to drive. Nothing compares to this thing for sheer fun on twisties and the track. I love you guys, but this review did not age well. Thank god I ignored it!
This is one of the very few times that I've heard reviewers genuinely critique a Porsche. That's why I love The Straight Pipes, unlike a lot of their colleagues, they are honest!
I have a manual Boxster GTS 4.0 and love it! It ticks all the boxes, I put a car graphic valve controller on it and it sounds amazing, for me a 4 litre Porsche in stick is the last kick at the ICE can and I’m going to keep and enjoy this car for years to come
The gearing does not suck, absolutely nothing wrong with the gearing, if you drive it as it should on the road it is perfect and likewise for the track. Stop doing road reviews as track reviews and review the car on the road as it would be driven by the typical mom/dad second car to drive to the office or over weekends.
we all know why the transmission gearing sucks, its a carry over non-issue from the last GT4, its Porsche's leash to keep the Cayman/Boxster GT4 to be slower than the 911 GT3...
Great review guys! I had the previous generation Spyder (981) and it also had the long gearing issue. However, without the OPF filter back in 2016 it was arguably one of the best sounding cars ever!
The long gears doesn't ruin it. With the torque being developed the way it is, its just a fiction of modern engines. Less power/torque would get the driving u want. We have to pick our poison. We complained when cars didn't have enough. Now that we have enough, we have to appreciate it & not consider it a negative.
Omg you guys are the best, today only I was going crazy over this car and finding videos related to it. Everyone did a video on GT4 but there was no good video on this. Thank you so much, Love form India.
Tracked a 981. 2 spyder and miatas etc.. Open top track cars are amazing.. More sound and smells.. Kinda nice to have it semi auto (one gear) for daily and being able to rip and shift on track..
It’s like every reviewer watches all other previous RUclips reviews and cut and pastes comments. ‘Long gearing etc etc etc’. Normal folks don’t go round revving the car to the limit in every day driving and will row thru the gears, even at lower revs this car has a tonne of torque.
Believe me or not, I'm looking at all the Porsche Cayman and Boxster over the internet since morning, watched the comparison video you made a year or two ago and just couple minutes ago this video was uploaded. I just love this car.
Lol, YT didn't give me the notification until after I'd already clicked on the video. "Hey did you did you know there's a ne--" "I'm literally already watching it." Thanks RUclips.
I enjoy your reviews very much. I happen to like this interior quite a bit and I believe it will age better than most sports car interiors out there. Regarding the “long” gear ratio, my conclusion is that that is a byproduct of having a very high RPM range. When we used to drive sports cars in manual gear, remember, those cars used to have 6800 RPMs and we drove them between 4000 & 6000. So naturally, it required more shifting back and forth btwn 2nd & 3rd gear. Of course, one can argue that the overall gearing can be lowered. But if they did that, under normal driving, we would be forced to shift up from 1st to 2nd way too quickly and it would be unbearable to drive the car under normal conditions. Even in generally spirited driving, the shifting happens btwn 4500 & 6500 where the peak torque happens and rarely need to get past 7000. No one who owns these cars and wants to keep them will wring it out every time they get in. The car is very lively and powerful enough to get in and out of the bends as fast as one would want on the road. I have no issue with the gearing and I am convinced Porsche knew what they are doing when they set up these cars for the consumers. In conclusion, nostalgia over manual shifting is great but I have come to accept that such was great for the cars of the bygone era. New cars like these are too advanced for manual shifting to make sense. That said, I do enjoy the manual shifting on this car immensely and I don’t have to run it at full throat to enjoy it. We just can’t expect cars that run up to 8000, 9000 RPM to shift like those old cars with 6800 RPMs.
The gearing is not flawed, it is perfectly set up. Where is the problem to use first gear, if you want to get the most out of the engine? With such gearing you can drive it like a motorcycle (or an electric car) and can get quite reasonable consumption figures, when you actually use the 5. and 6. gear for constant speeds. The first 2 to 3 gears are for spirited driving. 4. to 6. are for daily use. It's funny that you consider the wheelforce to be right but still want to have shorter gearing, which would increase the wheelforce, maybe without any advantage, as you would have to reduce your throttle input. Just consider it the other way: The gearing ratio is the same as in other cars (just compare minimal speeds), it's only the engine, that can make more use of it. Instead of shorter gears a weaker engine would be a solution for your problem or shifting at lower rpm, which also equals to a weaker engine in terms of power delivery. Something to think about: Motorcycles tend to easily get 100 km/h in 1. gear and nobody complains. Why should you complain about a car reaching 70 km/ h in 1. gear?
Porsche made the gearing like this on the 718 so that it would not be able to catch up to older 911 GT3s. It is more like a marketing decision. I remember how 2009 Subaru WRX was able to beat 2009 Subaru STI from 0-60 because the latter could only make it in 3rd gear while the WRX could do it in 2nd gear.
@thestraightpipes you are amongst the very best of car reviewers. A huge part of what makes you two the best is that you genuinely are best friends. The chemistry between you two is what makes your videos so enjoyable to watch. I hope you keep making RUclips reviews until you are both hosts on Top Gear with Doug Demuro.
The GT4/Speedster has the same engine as the regular turbo charged 911s, minus the turbos, and a little bored out. Hence why it doesn’t rev to 9000 like the GT3... still, 8000rpm naturally aspirated flat 6 is amazing and I think the Cayman/Boxster is the best Porsche, bar none. Because physics
Had a chance to drive the initial GT4 with the 3.8l and had the same feeling about the gearing. The 718 GT4 has the same gearing, but here's the thing-it may or not be the same gearbox, but it IS the same gearing as every other 718 with a six speed manual. (Verified from pdfs on press.porsche.com) Same for the 981/982 S, GTS (the base Cayman/Boxster did have different gearing). So we're all complaining about the gearing in the GT4s but I don't recall reading the same complaint about the excellent normally aspirated Cayman GTS or any of the other 718.
@@chrismcdaniel00 How often do you track your car. No contest of the road where this Porsche has no chance against the C8. Imagine a still tens of thousands of dollars cheaper Z06 which will crush this car (and the 911s).
@@philsalley3278 I'll take Porsche quality over GM any day of the weak. GM's shoddy build quality is already showing in the C8 between oil leaks and the C8's frunk lid randomly flying open while people are driving.
@@DragonKnightX12 Another RUclips commentator, non owner, non driver, probably never seen C8 hater. The frunk was a 5 minute OTA fix. Can you do that with Porsche. The base $60k C8 much better equipped than a 911. In fact base 911's are downright cheap inside. No oil leaks in mine. Dream on.
In summary: Gearing "sucks" and "ruins the experience". Exhaust "sucks". 'Don't like the paint.' 'Don't like the diffuser.' Interior "kinds sucks". Visors "total fail". "no fun to drive on normal roads". 'Worse than a Miata.' What a fun, thoughtful channel!
Guys-I had the first gen boxster (1997-showed up in98) ordered to spec- black w savannah beige interior; manual. Then a 2001 boxster S, midnight blue metallic with black interior; manual. No nav in either just had an optional stereo. Hands down; the best daily driver sports cars ever. The S also had optional body colored speedster humps that came in two pieces, stored in the rear boot with top up. They were the best! I wish you had been able to ride with me, my friends and I used the express way as a racetrack late at night: topped them both at 170 mph. Road trips with 1 duffel bag and a girl for the weekend down twisting southern roads...good times with those rides. My best friend had a terminal disease and passed in 2003. One month before he passed, he had me take him out of bed, drive him down an old two lane country highway in Arkansas. With soybean fields on both sides , on a sunny day, top down, he had me drive down this road as fast as I could. I looked over at him and he had his arms up in the wind, eyes closed, a big smile on his face. A great memory. You guys took me back there today. This is why I love your channel. You remind me of me and my bros, and you get what these wonderful machines do for us. Thank you. Don’t stop. Two million subscribers will come. 👍🏻
I also would like to see shorter gearing here, however - every 400-500PS car reaches 120K/H plus in second gear and this one does 136KM/H. IMO you overdid it in the review a bit....
That's news to me. All of the N/A American V8 Manuals (Challenger Scatpack, Camaro SS, Mustang GT, and Corvette) hit fuel cut at about 100kmh in second. Bad gearing is simply bad gearing.
The modern 718 is a four cylinder. And the four cylinder is the best selling boxster engine for the international market. It even won engine of the year. People complained , so Porsche slammed the six cylinder behind the seats. I’d buy the 2.5liter before the six. It has more than enough power and gets great MPG for daily use.
I took delivery of my Spyder on July 7, I have clocked 1000 miles in the streets of Manhattan, I did not see the gearing problem all the journalist complain about, who want to drive at 25-35mph in 3rd gear? as far as the exhaust noise, the first thing I did was to remove the vacuum hose from the exhaust valve(it took literally 5 minutes), now the exhaust is open up in the entire range, and is now embarrassing loud and sound even better than my AMG SLS, and that speaks a lot, I think journalist needs to spend more than a couple of hours before they put out a quick false review, I am not saying this because I own the car, is because after 1000 miles, that is the truth.
They spent hours. It's not false if it's they're opinions and it's actually recorded. Lol. Are they going to disconnect a hose of a press car they don't own ???
"That one shift was SPECTACULAR!" LOL! Kinda reminds me of my Yamaha sport bike (which I sold before it killed me); you were at the Interstate speed limit before you needed to shift into Second (and shifting would've been hard anyway, pressing my chest on the top of the windscreen to keep the nose down).
just FYI for everyone, 981 Cayman GTS or properly specced S or GT4, DO make sound below 4000 rpm and sounds quite good and even better on the top end. The 982 aka 718's flat 6 4.0 engines DO NOT (at stock).
Yeah the gearing is too long (I’ve got one)... but a GT3 does 82mph in 2nd, and is still an awesome road car too... Not disagreeing, 2nd is too high - just saying, you want a fast car - and you want to rev it out ... your going to break the speed limit Ps - the rest of the car makes up for it 😉
In California we go 90+mph in the mountains all the time, it is technically illegal but the speed law is a joke here, most cops won't even enforce it. Maybe Canadians just drive too slow?
I love my Spyder. At first I hated the convertible top however I'm used to it now. I never park it anywhere I just drive her when it's nice outside top down.
the real reason is because it will tread on the heels of the gt3, can change the gear ratios for 20k. GT4RS has a PDK, in Australia Porsche has already started taking deposits for it. delivery begins 2021.
I owned my 2016 GT4 for two years and never tracked it. I have no plans to ever track my 2020 Spyder. I tracked my previous Audi S4, enjoyed it, however, knew I wouldn't be covered if I ever had an accident while driving on the track. Therefore no future track use for me.
Most of us working folks can’t afford a porsche, unless it’s an older , used model. My 04 Boxster S with 78,000 miles with a full service history is just fine & dandy & probably more car than most drivers can handle. 👍
Makes me feel even better about my 02, 3.2 liter, 6 speed, Porsche Boxster S with a Fabspeed exhaust, CAI, IPD Plenum/TB, catless exhaust, Numeric shifter etc... However, you can still rev to max from 1st to 2nd gear at most redights! Gotta make the best of it 😂
Man Yuri got the feels from the Porsche on track glory. Just aesthetically I like the convertible and speedster rear end, maybe it was the blue too, I kinda like it. With the right gear ratios this would be a fun summer daily.
Sorry guys, but I am a bit disappointed in you. I was hoping you wouldn't just follow the same cliche gearing blah blah. I don't know what reviewers expect? You have an 8k rev limit, do you want to have to change gears at 55pmh? My 2011 WRX went to 62mph and the red line there was 7K. What is the top end of second gear in a gt3 or shelby 350 manual? they are both well over 80mph, where is the outrage there?. The disappointment that you can't trash a sport/race car around town or in the mountains because you can't shift your car over and over at 8k is kind of childish. People that do that are most likely in jail or have already crashed. This car is mostly meant for the track and it is still fun around town... maybe not 8k shifts all day long but then again people that buy this aren't 16 year old. I have test driven the gt4 and changing gears at 6k RPM around town was still tremendous fun. Cheers, keep up the good work.
@@men8212 that's fair and I agree with you. But, what are the alternatives? I looked up the gt3 manual and the shelby 350 Manual and they both max 2nd gear at close to or above 80MPH, and no one complains about the problem there. It seems that there is nitpicking here just for the sake of nitpicking.
I get the argument, but the same could be said about the e46 M3. Same red line, short 1st gear with a normal length 2nd gear, that when you hit 8k, you’re doing about 65-70 mph. Realistically you wouldn’t hit 8k every time, but it’s fun every now and then.
Present company exluded, automotive journalists have crippled the boxster AND cayman models. I have read dozens of reviews as they are the most affordable models and the models I may be able to afford (used) someday and EVERY time the journalists state “Who needs the 911?” EVERY time. If they put up the Boxster against a Ferrari or Corvette or anything else Porsche would continue to make it extraordinary but because they pit it against Porsches flagship car they are forced to hold it back and create unnecessary flaws in the cars.. Tragic. Wake up journalists. You are destroying these cars!
The longer gearing for 1-2 is awesome for Autocross. This is just one car where PDK is the better option but the manual will be collectable even if flawed
i really like how people whine when a car isnt enough 'track focused' or you know crazy with manual but when a car is hardcore and manual like the gt4 still people find it not to be enough 'domesticated' and too wild. You have to make up your mind .
One that’s kinda True, Porsche got so much models, almost for every Daily 2 Track Ratio fitting Cars. Every one should be able to find the right one for him. But i think they just pointed out, that this car is the wrong one for daily Use in Canada. Surprise :).
Have to find something to complain about. The 718 Spyder is not only the best looking Porsche but it drives incredibly well. Precise feedback. The gearing complaints are ridiculous.
It's the same with a 991.2 GTS 7M at the Barber PTX track, you could do the entire course in 3rd gear which I did, but managed to go down to 2nd just for fun. My 991.2 C4S 7M has shorter gearing than your test car and I can go up to 6th in everyday driving due to the torque of the 3.0L turbo, which has the peak available from 1700 RPM. Very good balance. I'm happy! A base Porsche of any model is a great car, the rest is icing on the cake.
My favourite is my current Boxster. Meanwhile, I've always liked the arch on the back of the Boxster Spyder. A lower price point alternative is the Boxster GTS.
Another compelling argument for the C8, even the base trim C8 at $30k less is far better equipped. Even at the same price the C8 is a much, much, much better choice. Hail to the new king and it's in my garage.
Tracking a convertible is great. The visibility and the open air is a really fun experience. My Miata is roof down every time on the track...don't see the need for a hardtop.
Love your work guys! Jakub, can I put a request in that you don’t shout as much? You sound like a really enthusiastic guy which is great, but the shouting at the camera is the only thing that prevents sitting here on the sofa chilling out watching your latest vids from being a relaxing experience. Love the content though!
Would the long gears bother you? Would you track this? More importantly, Jakub's cheap car challenge foxbody mustang video will be out this Sunday! ruclips.net/video/xwD32yNuATw/видео.html
Yes, GT4 has the same issue.
if you get used to use 1st gear again, then it actually works.
No. As much as you complain, if this was your car would you really be banging if off the rev limiter? No. Is it annoying, kinda, but so are really short gears. It's a balance between revving the engine out and requiring gear changes. Keeping the car in third or 2nd and never having to shift on a stretch of twisty roads isn't the worst thing, and because of the revs you can down shift or upshift to downshift and play with the engine. A shorter second would be better no doubt, but not worth the cost nor would it keep me away from that engine and chassis.
GT350 Owner so I can actually relate to having revs and gears.
I have to say I’m disappointed with that Porsche when you think of Porsche you think of perfection and with this one not so much but when you think of best car reviewers you think TheStraightPipes!!!! Great job as always guys can’t wait to see Jakubs mustang
I don't even have garage lol
Jakub on the track: "I haven't missed any shifts!"
*has shifted like twice the entire time*
mayte *makes cvt porsche*
Gears are very long
Right
TSP: "The problem is that 2nd gear ends at 140 kph"
Germans: "I don't get it."
These children doesn't understand a shit in cars !!!
Just two trash people talking.
😄 Actually we do 😄
But the guys from Porsche don't like to make their not so expensive cars in the product range too good/fast. For obvious reasons.
@@skynetsworld long gears aren't bad.. it's great for track. Literally all fast cars have long gears
Every youtube commenter: "make a manual"
Porsche: *makes a manual
Everyone: "the PDK would be better"
It's just the gearing that's bad
Porsche: Excuse me wtf
If they make the manual objectively worse by a country mile than the auto, then yeah, people complain. Crazy
Porsche: Take what you can and....SHUT UP!
Pdk is excellent ,among the fastest shifting gearboxes these days,it's that in this car pdk hasn't been properly utilised
Even Porsche admitted they messed up with the gearing . Well , at least they admit .
When did they admit it?
@@mussakhan5666 watch the vid bro 🤦♂️
@rockn roll yup sucks
@rockn roll Right?! It's not like they didn't know, the 891 generation (2012-2016) had the same gearing issue and everyone complained then too!
If they fixed the gear ratio on the 718, it might catch up with older 911 GT3s, so Porsche Marketing Department stepped in and said no to a better gear ratio for the 718
Jakub: "This transmission is amazing!" I know exactly what gear I'm in!" Second.🤣
Exactly
911 have the same gearing, Mr. smarty Pants…
One huge flaw, it's not in my garage. Great video as always, guys!
Yes!
i was thinking/hoping they would say its biggest flaw is that's it not a 911
I don't even have a garage
What's great in it ?!!
Just to idiots talking !!!
Worst review I ever saw !! total wast of time !!!
I think the 718 spyder is one of the most beautiful cars that Porsche currently makes and is at a price 1/3 of the speedster.
Supra better though
@@Ray-eg5bp Haha. No.
@@Ray-eg5bp ok 13 year old supra fanboy
& dude is watching a Porsche video
@@Ray-eg5bp Log off. Right now. No if buts and maybes. Log off
As an E92 M3 owner with a 6spd I can tell you this whole gearing thing is blown out of proportion. When driving on the street where this cars will undoubtedly spend most of their lives the gearing allows you to drive smoothly and play with the revs a bit more than if you had short gearing. You can downshift pretty much anytime and enjoy the exhaust or upshift and enjoy the drive. I guess my point is you don’t have to be bouncing of the rev limiter each time for it to be a special driving experience. Great review nonetheless!
I too have a 6MT E92 M3 and have the exact same comment; the complaints about the long gearing are way overstated. In fact, they are wrong headed. Look at the torque and horsepower curve for this car and you'll see that the gearing is really optimized to maximize the driver's ability to wring the most out of the engine. You should also never lug this car at 3500 RPM. Keep the revs up (or downshift) and you'll be rewarded every time you accelerate. Plus, all the You Tubers who are focused on how the car is limited by the speed limit are really missing the point of this car. It's a civilized daily driver that is very track capable and can go very fast when appropriate/if driven the way intended. Maybe the problem for some is where you live. If you live where roads are narrow and there's not a lot of room to stretch this car's legs, I can see the frustration. If you live where there's more room to run, the long gearing is awesome. The gearing in the M3 is such a joy that I'm sure this similarly geared GT4 will be as well! By the way, why so much focus on the launch control, which is just a gimmick for people who can't use a clutch properly.
I Totally agree. These guys doesn't understand a thing about this car! Who revs a car to the limit of each gear everyday? This is totally stupid as this car is just amazing and looking fantastic. Please learn to drive properly first and then we'll talk. It's not because you make a nice duo with some funny jokes that you have the rightness to evaluate a car properly. Porsche shouldn't lend their cars to people who doesn't understand a thing. I'm really fed up with this long gearing issue only reported by internet reviewers. This is not an issue! This car is just amazing and doesn't deserve this kind of bashing.
Woah I sold my E92 M3 for this reason. Somewhat skeptical here on your post. I struggled as speed limits would be into jailtime if I ever hit 3rd gear. That motor is so sluggish and quiet below 5krpm (to your question of why anyone would do this). These aren't really good road cars. Great track cars. MUCH happier with my M2.
@@cwx8 Again, I think it depends on where you live and your driving style. I've put 125,000 miles on my M3 and never for a moment felt the gearing was wrong or the motor was sluggish. But I grew up driving high horsepower, naturally aspirated, long gear ratio sports and muscle cars. So maybe it's just what you're comfortable with. I'm not a fan of turbocharged motors (we have a twin turbo bmw and it has its merits but it's limitations in terms of flexibility outweigh it's merits). Plus the high compression and heat in turbocharged motors limits the life of the motor. Not many turbo motors get to 125,000 hard driven miles with no problems. If you want an NA motor with a manual, the trade off is typically long gearing.
@@cwx8 p.s. not a single ticket in my Melbourne red metallic M3. :-)
drove the GTS 4.0 a couple of days ago. And the gearing is surreal on the autobahn. Normally you'd downshift into 4th or 5th in this one 3rd. absolutely hilarious. feels wonderfully old school - even though it’s a bit odd.
I’ve got the the turbo 2.5l gts with a manual transmission (they are actually kinda rare) and with that too I always use 3rd gear getting onto the Autobahn, even with the extra low down torque. I guess the manual transmission gearing is actually more bearable with the turbo engine because you have full torque at 1900 rpm...
@@flyingby3703 As most NA engines get 90% of maximum torque at 2000 - 3000 rpm and keep it till peak power, i dont't really see any advantage for the turbo engine, especially if you consider things like turbo lag.
Third gear is like third gear in any other car, but the engine is capable of reaching higher speeds with the same gearing.
If it would reach red line at 6000 rpm, you would have to shift like in any other car as well. The conclusion for people complaining would be, to shift at about 6000 rpm like in any other car, if they are bothered by the engine.
F Webe You see, this is where facts come in... Have you ever driven either of the 2 mentioned boxsters? I have driven the turbo one for 7000km and I have also once driven an older NA manual 911 for an hour. Your peak torque pf 420NM in the 2.5 GTS is reached at 1900 rpm and reaches to 5000 rpm. Max power at 6000 rpm. Redline at 7200rpm. Now compare that to the NA 4.0 Which reaches 340NM at 2000rpm, steps up to 360NM at 3000rpm and then builds to full torque at 5000 rpm. It reaches full torque at 5000 rpm where the turbo engine already had it since 1900rpm. You have a lot more fun with the turbo engine in lower rpm, especially because turbo lag is really minimal. If you are above 3000 rpm it is basically non existent.
TLDR: Your numbers aren’t accurate, the turbo engine has 420nm of torque from 1900-5000rpm and the na engine only from 5000-6900rpm. This makes the turbo much more fun in everyday driving, despite the long gearing, as you have a lot of torque early on. For me it doesn’t matter anyway, I live in Germany where I have 100kph speed limit on country roads and no speed limit on the autobahn ;)
@@flyingby3703 yeah I imagine, though I was very surprised about the low down torque of the 4.0. expected less. Personally I think the 2.5L is in general the better and more usable car. 4.0 is a very specific thing.
911scales Yeah, and the 4.0 is definitely a great engine. If it had been released by the time we got our GTS we probably would have taken that. I just don’t like how everyone talks bad about the 4 cylinder car. It has it’s place, is really exhilarating, efficient (I have an average of 10l per 100km and 6k of the 7 k km were on country roads) and actually can be tuned quite far, if that’s your thing. Just the manual gearbox can’t handle it so it’s reserved to PDK owners. But as a redeeming factor mine is still without OPF 😉. All 4.0 engines have it.
this car just did a fastest slalom in the world
in second gear 😁
Why not use the GT4? More rigid and less weight.
@@legostarwarsrulez Only 7 pounds lighter, The bigger advantage is the extra downforce from the GT4's larger front splitter and the rear wing.
PLAY_HRD and the more rigid chassis. Keeps the power on the ground, less flex
One huge flaw I cannot afford one..... Yet.
Nexus123:3 QRF , yup. Just because you can doesn’t mean you should
Tbh I'd rather have the 911 speedster 🤣😂 there are 2 left here in the Philippines.
Owning a Spyder (in Ontario too), I’d say the gearing works pretty well for me. The exhaust flaps open at 3700 RPM, not 4000; this corresponds to 63 km/h. I’m almost never below this speed on back roads (80 km/h posted limit) except in the tightest of curves. On back roads, I’m typically around 85-90 km/h, which corresponds to 5000-5300 RPM in second, which is right in the range of full torque. The top of second (136 km/h at 8K RPM) is a little quicker than I go on back roads, and perfect for highway merging and passing. On slow corners (below 45 km/h) I downshift to first. On back roads, I usually switch between second for corners, and third for more relaxed cruising down straights. I agree it would be nice to have a gear between first and second for corners between 45-60 km/h where downshifting to first would be possible but awkward, but second has enough torque to feel plenty quick for back roads.
Great comment! Thanks!
Great comment! I took delivery of mine 3 days ago, agree with you completely. Btw, Gentian blue looks frantic
While I get that it’s okay for cruising on back roads, shorter gearing would make it faster, especially given our laughable speed limits. 140 kph in second gear LOL? Something I like of my Sportwagen 6 spd is that the ratios are shorter than my previous Golf 5 spd. I would be a bit sad to loose that. After all, we choose manual to change gears!
MA L Second goes to 136 at 8K RPM. At 6K RPM (your golf’s redline) it’ll be at 102 km/h. A shorter second would indeed make it faster in some speed ranges, though it’s more than fast enough for the road as is.
@@sultanqasim Man, you're a rational successful person, who achieved and gain a great Porsche and know how to drive it well.
Not like those two idiots who made this review, they want a Miatta but accidentally unfortunately got a 718 Spyder then they blame the best thing in this car which is the manual gearbox.
IDIOTS !!
Rewatching this video after a year of driving my 2022 Spyder manual. You guys were too harsh on this car. I can tell you it’s an absolute legend to drive. Nothing compares to this thing for sheer fun on twisties and the track. I love you guys, but this review did not age well. Thank god I ignored it!
I own a Spyder too. They are morons. For the money, this is the very best Porsche. Peak Porsche!
This is one of the very few times that I've heard reviewers genuinely critique a Porsche. That's why I love The Straight Pipes, unlike a lot of their colleagues, they are honest!
I have a manual Boxster GTS 4.0 and love it! It ticks all the boxes, I put a car graphic valve controller on it and it sounds amazing, for me a 4 litre Porsche in stick is the last kick at the ICE can and I’m going to keep and enjoy this car for years to come
Yuri's upshifts hurt the synchros in my brain :(
So glad i wasn't the only one who noticed this! It was painful.
F'real... he's too early back on the throttle on upshifts. Just burning clutch for no reason.
The gearing does not suck, absolutely nothing wrong with the gearing, if you drive it as it should on the road it is perfect and likewise for the track. Stop doing road reviews as track reviews and review the car on the road as it would be driven by the typical mom/dad second car to drive to the office or over weekends.
we all know why the transmission gearing sucks, its a carry over non-issue from the last GT4, its Porsche's leash to keep the Cayman/Boxster GT4 to be slower than the 911 GT3...
exactly.
I've come across a lot of complaints about the long gearing in the previous GT4 gen.
Super low-key flex with the Rolex Pepsi GMT close-up showing off the key. Well done.
For a road car, shorter gearing makes a car way more fun. My little v6 accord let’s me bang into 4th without needing to go to jail. Just my .02.
Great review guys! I had the previous generation Spyder (981) and it also had the long gearing issue. However, without the OPF filter back in 2016 it was arguably one of the best sounding cars ever!
How can you NOT like that color tho?!
I think it looks amazing, but eh, can´t argue about taste. ;-)
Nice vid guys!
Nice review guys!! Finally someone who talks about when we are able to hear the engine and when it sucks.
The long gears doesn't ruin it. With the torque being developed the way it is, its just a fiction of modern engines. Less power/torque would get the driving u want. We have to pick our poison. We complained when cars didn't have enough. Now that we have enough, we have to appreciate it & not consider it a negative.
I love how these two adopted the tacit camaraderie between RUclips car reviewers and took it to the next level lol.
just move to germany already.
Porsche: It’s technically not possible to have shorter gearing.
Sharkwerks: Hold my beer.
@Wisrute B. .. Exactly. .. Bring $10,000. USD. .. Problem solved.
Omg you guys are the best, today only I was going crazy over this car and finding videos related to it. Everyone did a video on GT4 but there was no good video on this. Thank you so much, Love form India.
Tracked a 981. 2 spyder and miatas etc.. Open top track cars are amazing.. More sound and smells.. Kinda nice to have it semi auto (one gear) for daily and being able to rip and shift on track..
It’s like every reviewer watches all other previous RUclips reviews and cut and pastes comments. ‘Long gearing etc etc etc’. Normal folks don’t go round revving the car to the limit in every day driving and will row thru the gears, even at lower revs this car has a tonne of torque.
Believe me or not, I'm looking at all the Porsche Cayman and Boxster over the internet since morning, watched the comparison video you made a year or two ago and just couple minutes ago this video was uploaded. I just love this car.
Lol, YT didn't give me the notification until after I'd already clicked on the video.
"Hey did you did you know there's a ne--"
"I'm literally already watching it."
Thanks RUclips.
Thanks RUclips
The best car review channel!
Thiiiiiissssssss is the best car review channel
I enjoy your reviews very much. I happen to like this interior quite a bit and I believe it will age better than most sports car interiors out there. Regarding the “long” gear ratio, my conclusion is that that is a byproduct of having a very high RPM range. When we used to drive sports cars in manual gear, remember, those cars used to have 6800 RPMs and we drove them between 4000 & 6000. So naturally, it required more shifting back and forth btwn 2nd & 3rd gear. Of course, one can argue that the overall gearing can be lowered. But if they did that, under normal driving, we would be forced to shift up from 1st to 2nd way too quickly and it would be unbearable to drive the car under normal conditions. Even in generally spirited driving, the shifting happens btwn 4500 & 6500 where the peak torque happens and rarely need to get past 7000. No one who owns these cars and wants to keep them will wring it out every time they get in. The car is very lively and powerful enough to get in and out of the bends as fast as one would want on the road. I have no issue with the gearing and I am convinced Porsche knew what they are doing when they set up these cars for the consumers. In conclusion, nostalgia over manual shifting is great but I have come to accept that such was great for the cars of the bygone era. New cars like these are too advanced for manual shifting to make sense. That said, I do enjoy the manual shifting on this car immensely and I don’t have to run it at full throat to enjoy it. We just can’t expect cars that run up to 8000, 9000 RPM to shift like those old cars with 6800 RPMs.
*Great video & review as always, guys!* 👍
What's great in it ?!!
Just to idiots talking !!!
Worst review I ever saw !! total wast of time !!!
The gearing is not flawed, it is perfectly set up.
Where is the problem to use first gear, if you want to get the most out of the engine?
With such gearing you can drive it like a motorcycle (or an electric car) and can get quite reasonable consumption figures, when you actually use the 5. and 6. gear for constant speeds.
The first 2 to 3 gears are for spirited driving. 4. to 6. are for daily use.
It's funny that you consider the wheelforce to be right but still want to have shorter gearing, which would increase the wheelforce, maybe without any advantage, as you would have to reduce your throttle input.
Just consider it the other way:
The gearing ratio is the same as in other cars (just compare minimal speeds), it's only the engine, that can make more use of it.
Instead of shorter gears a weaker engine would be a solution for your problem or shifting at lower rpm, which also equals to a weaker engine in terms of power delivery.
Something to think about:
Motorcycles tend to easily get 100 km/h in 1. gear and nobody complains. Why should you complain about a car reaching 70 km/ h in 1. gear?
Porsche made the gearing like this on the 718 so that it would not be able to catch up to older 911 GT3s. It is more like a marketing decision.
I remember how 2009 Subaru WRX was able to beat 2009 Subaru STI from 0-60 because the latter could only make it in 3rd gear while the WRX could do it in 2nd gear.
@thestraightpipes you are amongst the very best of car reviewers. A huge part of what makes you two the best is that you genuinely are best friends. The chemistry between you two is what makes your videos so enjoyable to watch. I hope you keep making RUclips reviews until you are both hosts on Top Gear with Doug Demuro.
The GT4/Speedster has the same engine as the regular turbo charged 911s, minus the turbos, and a little bored out. Hence why it doesn’t rev to 9000 like the GT3... still, 8000rpm naturally aspirated flat 6 is amazing and I think the Cayman/Boxster is the best Porsche, bar none. Because physics
Had a chance to drive the initial GT4 with the 3.8l and had the same feeling about the gearing. The 718 GT4 has the same gearing, but here's the thing-it may or not be the same gearbox, but it IS the same gearing as every other 718 with a six speed manual. (Verified from pdfs on press.porsche.com) Same for the 981/982 S, GTS (the base Cayman/Boxster did have different gearing). So we're all complaining about the gearing in the GT4s but I don't recall reading the same complaint about the excellent normally aspirated Cayman GTS or any of the other 718.
I love the 718 Spyder. It would be my ultimate daily driver for commuting to work in nice weather.
Clearly you have not experienced the C8.
@@philsalley3278 Car and Driver has... and they preferred the GT4 (Spyder with a roof) But what do they know?
@@chrismcdaniel00 How often do you track your car. No contest of the road where this Porsche has no chance against the C8. Imagine a still tens of thousands of dollars cheaper Z06 which will crush this car (and the 911s).
@@philsalley3278 I'll take Porsche quality over GM any day of the weak. GM's shoddy build quality is already showing in the C8 between oil leaks and the C8's frunk lid randomly flying open while people are driving.
@@DragonKnightX12 Another RUclips commentator, non owner, non driver, probably never seen C8 hater. The frunk was a 5 minute OTA fix. Can you do that with Porsche. The base $60k C8 much better equipped than a 911. In fact base 911's are downright cheap inside. No oil leaks in mine. Dream on.
The longish gearing is a huge flaw. Definitely ruins some good mountain roads.
In summary: Gearing "sucks" and "ruins the experience". Exhaust "sucks". 'Don't like the paint.' 'Don't like the diffuser.' Interior "kinds sucks". Visors "total fail". "no fun to drive on normal roads". 'Worse than a Miata.' What a fun, thoughtful channel!
Guys-I had the first gen boxster (1997-showed up in98) ordered to spec- black w savannah beige interior; manual. Then a 2001 boxster S, midnight blue metallic with black interior; manual. No nav in either just had an optional stereo. Hands down; the best daily driver sports cars ever. The S also had optional body colored speedster humps that came in two pieces, stored in the rear boot with top up. They were the best! I wish you had been able to ride with me, my friends and I used the express way as a racetrack late at night: topped them both at 170 mph. Road trips with 1 duffel bag and a girl for the weekend down twisting southern roads...good times with those rides. My best friend had a terminal disease and passed in 2003. One month before he passed, he had me take him out of bed, drive him down an old two lane country highway in Arkansas. With soybean fields on both sides , on a sunny day, top down, he had me drive down this road as fast as I could. I looked over at him and he had his arms up in the wind, eyes closed, a big smile on his face. A great memory. You guys took me back there today. This is why I love your channel. You remind me of me and my bros, and you get what these wonderful machines do for us. Thank you. Don’t stop. Two million subscribers will come. 👍🏻
It’s always a good day when TheStraightPipes upload :)
We appreciate you too Yuri, keep making awesome car content
I also would like to see shorter gearing here, however - every 400-500PS car reaches 120K/H plus in second gear and this one does 136KM/H. IMO you overdid it in the review a bit....
Seriously I have a tiny 108 peugeot and at 6500rpm its 65 mph, it's not that bad.
James Easter ....you probably don’t understand this discussion then as shorter / slower gearing is better...😉🙄😂🤣
Amen!
That's news to me. All of the N/A American V8 Manuals (Challenger Scatpack, Camaro SS, Mustang GT, and Corvette) hit fuel cut at about 100kmh in second. Bad gearing is simply bad gearing.
Except the cars you speak of are for the most part turbo/supercharged, and have the torque to compensate for the long gearing.
This is an underrated fun machine
The modern 718 is a four cylinder. And the four cylinder is the best selling boxster engine for the international market. It even won engine of the year. People complained , so Porsche slammed the six cylinder behind the seats.
I’d buy the 2.5liter before the six. It has more than enough power and gets great MPG for daily use.
"second gear ends at 140km/h"
*laughs in german autobahn*
Every RUclipsr: You can only use the first 2 gears Me: laughs in German
I took delivery of my Spyder on July 7, I have clocked 1000 miles in the streets of Manhattan, I did not see the gearing problem all the journalist complain about, who want to drive at 25-35mph in 3rd gear? as far as the exhaust noise, the first thing I did was to remove the vacuum hose from the exhaust valve(it took literally 5 minutes), now the exhaust is open up in the entire range, and is now embarrassing loud and sound even better than my AMG SLS, and that speaks a lot, I think journalist needs to spend more than a couple of hours before they put out a quick false review, I am not saying this because I own the car, is because after 1000 miles, that is the truth.
They spent hours. It's not false if it's they're opinions and it's actually recorded. Lol. Are they going to disconnect a hose of a press car they don't own ???
Can you make video of exhaust by any chance ?
"That one shift was SPECTACULAR!" LOL!
Kinda reminds me of my Yamaha sport bike (which I sold before it killed me); you were at the Interstate speed limit before you needed to shift into Second (and shifting would've been hard anyway, pressing my chest on the top of the windscreen to keep the nose down).
just FYI for everyone, 981 Cayman GTS or properly specced S or GT4, DO make sound below 4000 rpm and sounds quite good and even better on the top end. The 982 aka 718's flat 6 4.0 engines DO NOT (at stock).
Yeah the gearing is too long (I’ve got one)...
but a GT3 does 82mph in 2nd, and is still an awesome road car too...
Not disagreeing, 2nd is too high - just saying, you want a fast car - and you want to rev it out ... your going to break the speed limit
Ps - the rest of the car makes up for it 😉
gotta use the first gear more :D
In California we go 90+mph in the mountains all the time, it is technically illegal but the speed law is a joke here, most cops won't even enforce it. Maybe Canadians just drive too slow?
I love my Spyder. At first I hated the convertible top however I'm used to it now. I never park it anywhere I just drive her when it's nice outside top down.
Love me Spyder too. These guys are clowns! Spyder is peak Porsche.
the real reason is because it will tread on the heels of the gt3, can change the gear ratios for 20k. GT4RS has a PDK, in Australia Porsche has already started taking deposits for it. delivery begins 2021.
I owned my 2016 GT4 for two years and never tracked it. I have no plans to ever track my 2020 Spyder. I tracked my previous Audi S4, enjoyed it, however, knew I wouldn't be covered if I ever had an accident while driving on the track. Therefore no future track use for me.
What’s the GT3/Speedster 2nd gear top speed at 9:44 ?
"I know exactly what gear I'm in all the time..."
Yeah. 2nd.
Most of us working folks can’t afford a porsche, unless it’s an older , used model. My 04 Boxster S with 78,000 miles with a full service history is just fine & dandy & probably more car than most drivers can handle. 👍
This and the Speedster are epic looking and great sports cars 👌
Makes me feel even better about my 02, 3.2 liter, 6 speed, Porsche Boxster S with a Fabspeed exhaust, CAI, IPD Plenum/TB, catless exhaust, Numeric shifter etc...
However, you can still rev to max from 1st to 2nd gear at most redights!
Gotta make the best of it 😂
Gearing on 991.2 Carrera T is actually quite useable and enjoyable for the street.
The huge flaw is that I do not have the car.
Man Yuri got the feels from the Porsche on track glory. Just aesthetically I like the convertible and speedster rear end, maybe it was the blue too, I kinda like it. With the right gear ratios this would be a fun summer daily.
Yes best looking car on the road, 420 hp, manual, open top, but something to complain about lol.
Is Jakub rocking a Rolex 16750?? Bit of an upgrade from a Vincero, huh? Glad to see you guys are getting the subscribers you deserve!
Sorry guys, but I am a bit disappointed in you. I was hoping you wouldn't just follow the same cliche gearing blah blah. I don't know what reviewers expect? You have an 8k rev limit, do you want to have to change gears at 55pmh? My 2011 WRX went to 62mph and the red line there was 7K. What is the top end of second gear in a gt3 or shelby 350 manual? they are both well over 80mph, where is the outrage there?. The disappointment that you can't trash a sport/race car around town or in the mountains because you can't shift your car over and over at 8k is kind of childish. People that do that are most likely in jail or have already crashed. This car is mostly meant for the track and it is still fun around town... maybe not 8k shifts all day long but then again people that buy this aren't 16 year old. I have test driven the gt4 and changing gears at 6k RPM around town was still tremendous fun.
Cheers, keep up the good work.
@@men8212 that's fair and I agree with you. But, what are the alternatives? I looked up the gt3 manual and the shelby 350 Manual and they both max 2nd gear at close to or above 80MPH, and no one complains about the problem there. It seems that there is nitpicking here just for the sake of nitpicking.
As a German, this flaw makes me want it even more 😁
I get the argument, but the same could be said about the e46 M3. Same red line, short 1st gear with a normal length 2nd gear, that when you hit 8k, you’re doing about 65-70 mph. Realistically you wouldn’t hit 8k every time, but it’s fun every now and then.
I don't know why i'm randomly saying this now, but Yuri still reminds me of Leonard from tbbt.
Present company exluded, automotive journalists have crippled the boxster AND cayman models. I have read dozens of reviews as they are the most affordable models and the models I may be able to afford (used) someday and EVERY time the journalists state “Who needs the 911?” EVERY time. If they put up the Boxster against a Ferrari or Corvette or anything else Porsche would continue to make it extraordinary but because they pit it against Porsches flagship car they are forced to hold it back and create unnecessary flaws in the cars.. Tragic. Wake up journalists. You are destroying these cars!
The longer gearing for 1-2 is awesome for Autocross. This is just one car where PDK is the better option but the manual will be collectable even if flawed
As an owner of a first gen Boxster with runny egg headlights in yellow, I approve this message.
@3:00, shorter gears are made by Guard transmission, 2,3,4 gears are swapped out for close ratio gear set.
i really like how people whine when a car isnt enough 'track focused' or you know crazy with manual but when a car is hardcore and manual like the gt4 still people find it not to be enough 'domesticated' and too wild. You have to make up your mind .
One that’s kinda True, Porsche got so much models, almost for every Daily 2 Track Ratio fitting Cars. Every one should be able to find the right one for him. But i think they just pointed out, that this car is the wrong one for daily Use in Canada. Surprise :).
Have to find something to complain about. The 718 Spyder is not only the best looking Porsche but it drives incredibly well. Precise feedback. The gearing complaints are ridiculous.
It's the same with a 991.2 GTS 7M at the Barber PTX track, you could do the entire course in 3rd gear which I did, but managed to go down to 2nd just for fun. My 991.2 C4S 7M has shorter gearing than your test car and I can go up to 6th in everyday driving due to the torque of the 3.0L turbo, which has the peak available from 1700 RPM. Very good balance. I'm happy!
A base Porsche of any model is a great car, the rest is icing on the cake.
J: "You basically do this track in 2nd gear."
J: "I know exactly which gear I'm in."
LOL he's not wrong
My favourite is my current Boxster. Meanwhile, I've always liked the arch on the back of the Boxster Spyder. A lower price point alternative is the Boxster GTS.
I don’t need a track car, my tiny 1.4L turbo Fiata make me smile all the time.
Yuri if you keep up shifting like that on the track you will burn through the clutch
Another compelling argument for the C8, even the base trim C8 at $30k less is far better equipped. Even at the same price the C8 is a much, much, much better choice. Hail to the new king and it's in my garage.
that was a nice thank you at 5:45, you deserve it.
definitely the best looking 718
I love that this car isn’t engineered for North America. In Germany the gearing is just fine. Where is Porsche from again?
Hansi feat. Budschi you think Porsche engineered this for the autobahn?
I like that you want to drive the base Boxster. I have a base 718 Cayman pdk and for the road, it’s awesome!
do you guys know how to power shift ? draw the power out it wont kill the motor lol!
Tracking a convertible is great. The visibility and the open air is a really fun experience. My Miata is roof down every time on the track...don't see the need for a hardtop.
Stop complaining, it still better than automatic.
The flat-6 is eargasmic
It's a nice car, but with an 8000rpm rev limit, you'd kinda want shorter gearing. Actually, "nice" is an understatement. It's gorgeous.
Love your work guys! Jakub, can I put a request in that you don’t shout as much? You sound like a really enthusiastic guy which is great, but the shouting at the camera is the only thing that prevents sitting here on the sofa chilling out watching your latest vids from being a relaxing experience. Love the content though!
Guy I know sold his one month into ownership and got a Lotus Exige 410 Sport instead.
That helmet makes Yuri look like a kid in the Caymen lol
Brutal review. Not sure it's a well balanced review, but you drove your point home (in 2nd gear).
911 and 718 both of them All Good Enough for us... Love Porsche Love cars.
The gearing is actually almost identical to the 997.1 GT3.
Funny that my 991.2GT3 manual also does over 80mph in second gear, but everyone says it is flawless and the gearbox perfect. 🤔
Every journalist just tries to find something to pretend they have a clue...