I was a child from a Protestant family living in lenadoon avenue during these times. My childhood was carefree and happy up until this point in history. Then it all changed. The nightly intimidation the shooting the rioting. I remember being hemmed in by hijacked buses and milk floats. The milk poured out and running down the hill towards our homes.The CS gas in the air. My neighbours were Catholics. Good people we played together. They told us to put our mattresses against the windows. I lived a few doors down from the first army billets you see in the wrecked houses. You never really get over it. My poor mother was heartbroken having to leave. We lost touch with all our school friends. It wasn’t right and I mean on both sides. Fear and intimidation it stays with you. It’s the dark forces in the background that manipulate us all for their sorry ends. What was all the violence bitterness and hatred for?
Agreed with what Richard Dormer said about my generation having long term PTSD after growing up in Belfast through the 70's and 80's, Terrible to see how the Population was divided and used RIP all that were lost.
I was three years old when this was occurring, we lived in Corrib Avenue. My Dad, not being able to get work in Belfast, was working in Sweden at that time. He saw this happening on Swedish TV. He said it was their main story, and he could only sit watching in horror thinking that my mother and his five young sons where stuck in the middle of this mayhem. It wasn't just a one-off event; this went on for days. My poor, traumatised mother would literally pile all the heavy furniture against the doors and windows, until one day, the wife of one of the IRA commanders was sent around the estate advising to do just that; but then she kind of spoilt the effect by saying, as an afterthought, 'well, they're going to be using high velocity weapons, so I can't see what use that's going to be.'
@@markyinbelfastxx9088 by who? Al the years growing up. If we as teenagers suggested breaking protestants windows ya would get knee-capped by the pira. They were strict on who were targets. Protestants were & our classed as irish..the pira did not like or want anyone with a religious mindset or hate in thier ranks
@@Chop2016That's strange as sometimes you cannot be picky with recruits. Also with the Troubles at different points almost descending to full scale civil war and acts like the Kingsmill Massacre as a warning to loyalists, some IRA volunteers were sectarian.
@matthewbrady1562 Kingsmill was a terrible thing that those innocent men had to die, like that. In order to stop other innocent people being murdered. A sectarian state, sectarian security services, sectarian to its core. That the South Armagh Provos had to resort to sectarian murders in order to stop the Glenanne gangs sectarian rampage of murder through that area. Glenanne gang mostly made up of serving members of the security services. To look back now, it's sickening. The S.A Provos used a cover name because they knew it went against Republican ethos and it wasn't sanctioned too. Like i said, the state security forces were sectarian, the loyalist were sectarian, what's surprising really is the lack of sectarian responses from Republicans.
We the people of this island I am from west belfast an most of the people I talk to are protestant an they see the truth an we teaching each other every day an we stand together in the face of the tyranny may holy father creator of all that's is good bless you all on your journey an give you courage to Stand up to these 4th riche evil ppl we are the only resistance an defence for our children women an the lands we live 🙏💙
@@nonamenoface9491 correction - the hierarchy from England Britain have had the power - not England per say - stop causing division yourself by saying that - the hypocrisy 🙄
@@marcusatiliusregulus it’s not just that it takes some time - it’s that it’s introduced, indoctrinated into policy’s then the public are played a narrative (diversity is our strength) over and over - telling us what it is BEFORE it is even happening! (They make it sound bigger than what it actually is) Then we become BRAINWASHED with this dribble. To the point that if challenged, the labels then come out - you’re a R*cis* far right, etc bs
At the start of the video at about 1.10 isn’t that Derry/Londonderry civil rights march? Either way it’s another fantastic & important upload in the history of the troubles. Well done
Seen 1 of your videos I must say last week or so and I've done nothing but watch then from I get up to I grow up being from Scotland and mived to Northern Ireland in and I've learnt alot I never knew didn't think ever think I'd be watching stuff about history yawn this I've went back from 2 years ago and no I'm on the 1year ago so far keep it up even if you don't see this message
Fantastic footage and the best channel so sad for the many people on both sides that were killed or having lost people brings tears to my eyes and I’m a Scotsman 😢
Intro brings back memories can you imagine are children waking up to the estate surrounded and brits kicking doors in i think i witnessed live firing from the Provies on the Brits once in the estate thank God nothing like this. May it never happen again.
@@Felix-rising Yes we where terrible badly behaved children my friend. So much so that it required 40 or 50 thousand security forces just to get the children in my estate just to go to bed . Get a life you sad cunt
@@Felix-rising Catch yer self on , The Brit's were kicking in innocent peoples doors all the time , my Grandparents had there door kicked in and the house smashed up many of times and I'll never forget it as a young wee lad seeing my Grandfather beaten and kicked and punched by the Brit's for nothing , They were evil bastards and this was in the late 80's !!
As far as I know this was the largest battle of the conflict in terms of casualties. 28 dead, 14 civilians, 8 British soldiers, 3 O.IRA (2 from its youth wing), 2 P.IRA & 1 UDA and dozens injured, I think the internment battles of the 9 - 11 August 1971 with 22 dead was the second largest. In the middle of these battles were two massacres carried out by the British Army, the Ballymurphy massacre in 1971 and the Springhill massacre in 72.
The politics of the present are the politics of history. Ask yourself, do they show up to pour the concrete, or to cut the ribbon at the opening ceremony? In other words, politicians are lagging indicators, not leading indicators, which makes pinning your hopes for the future on them, an exercise in futility. Change, true and real, will come from neighborhood initiatives such as integrated schools.
i agree. But even in england on every housing estate there are schools of both religions and we would sing derogatory songs over the fence at each other, but it meant nothing and we were mates after school and neighbours, but i understand in NI this issue is distilled to toxification, evidently. politics also, but in integrated schools in can be all conveyed with balance, no longer giving 'politicians and the community leaders the power of misleading their dupes with garbled accounts of the past' (some irish historian said that in a book i read once, couldn't tell you who like, anyone know? ) then, then kids can move on with balanced minds and lives.
The government's labelled the IRA a terrorist organisation, so how can they be held to the same standards as the British army? The British army was there to uphold the law, but they didn't they shot dead innocent catholics on their own streets in the Ballymurphy massacre and on Bloody Sunday in Derry. Terrorist behaviour also.
It's interesting to remember that Seamus Twomey had actually been in London a fortnight before, meeting NI Secretary William Whitelaw for secret talks. So he knew exactly what he was talking about (the reporter was unaware at that time).
@@sam6525 they didn't move out 50 yrds from these houses ??? On blacks rd !! Why was that !!? Because there was no intimidation from nationalists !!! The moved because the Uda told them to .
If the Catholics had moved in to the empty houses isn't there a decent chance they'd have been burnt or intimidated out like in other parts of Belfast?
I've no control over that chum. My channel isnt monitized so adds being shown is disgusting as its YT making money not me or the doc owners. Sorry about that.
Question here for any that will answer. Why is there a witchunt for British soldiers that commited war crimes but not one for IRA members that commited crimes just as bad if not worse. Youd think patriots that killed their own people would hand themselves in or be handed in by other IRA. I often hear this complaint about british forces that individual soldiers didnt do enough to stop crimes or that they should help prosecute and yet this same energy isnt applied to IRA members behind omagh etc. Maybe im wrong but i honestly believe the troubles is the most hypocritical war in history.
The government's labelled the IRA a terrorist organisation, so how can they be held to the same standards as the British army? The British army was there to uphold the law, but they didn't they shot dead innocent catholics on their own streets in the Ballymurphy massacre and on Bloody Sunday in Derry. Terrorist behaviour also.
and just like the loyalists and provos who made alot of cash now a person claiming to have remastered documentaries and wanting you to pay access to a site,theres alot of silly people on here paying to view work this person claims is his what a joke
Such an uneducated comment from someone who clearly doesn't understand the history of this place. I suggest you go learn the history. The British army was sent in to protect the catholic people from protestant mobs attacking them and burning them out of their houses because at the time the police force didn't nothing to protect catholics because they were a sectarian force who discriminated against catholics. The British government let this happen in Northern Ireland for decades and done nothing about it. So what did the catholics do to not be treated like 2nd class citizens? Formed a civil rights movement and they were still attacked and beaten. Hence why the IRA was formed.
Interesting that the priest states he was acting under no influence by the IRA, when you look at his address to the residents he was surrounded on all sides by children, looks stage managed.
Definitely wasn’t staged managed. He was our parish priest and a lovely person. I can remember these events. It was horrendous. It very insulting to say something was staged managed- I wonder how you would have survived during these times and the ongoing emotional stress that has affected my generation
I was a child from a Protestant family living in lenadoon avenue during these times. My childhood was carefree and happy up until this point in history. Then it all changed. The nightly intimidation the shooting the rioting. I remember being hemmed in by hijacked buses and milk floats. The milk poured out and running down the hill towards our homes.The CS gas in the air. My neighbours were Catholics. Good people we played together. They told us to put our mattresses against the windows. I lived a few doors down from the first army billets you see in the wrecked houses. You never really get over it. My poor mother was heartbroken having to leave. We lost touch with all our school friends. It wasn’t right and I mean on both sides. Fear and intimidation it stays with you. It’s the dark forces in the background that manipulate us all for their sorry ends. What was all the violence bitterness and hatred for?
I was a soldier there in 1994, I patrolled the Lenadoon, the Poleglass, and the Twinbrooks.
You operate out of Woodbourne? I’m in Poleglass right now, I lived in Twinbrook in 94 and I lived in Horn Drive in the 80’s.
Go on home British soldiers go on home. Have you got no bloody homes of your own.
Me too brother served 87 to 89.
Agreed with what Richard Dormer said about my generation having long term PTSD after growing up in Belfast through the 70's and 80's, Terrible to see how the Population was divided and used RIP all that were lost.
I was three years old when this was occurring, we lived in Corrib Avenue. My Dad, not being able to get work in Belfast, was working in Sweden at that time. He saw this happening on Swedish TV. He said it was their main story, and he could only sit watching in horror thinking that my mother and his five young sons where stuck in the middle of this mayhem. It wasn't just a one-off event; this went on for days. My poor, traumatised mother would literally pile all the heavy furniture against the doors and windows, until one day, the wife of one of the IRA commanders was sent around the estate advising to do just that; but then she kind of spoilt the effect by saying, as an afterthought, 'well, they're going to be using high velocity weapons, so I can't see what use that's going to be.'
@@markyinbelfastxx9088 by who? Al the years growing up. If we as teenagers suggested breaking protestants windows ya would get knee-capped by the pira. They were strict on who were targets. Protestants were & our classed as irish..the pira did not like or want anyone with a religious mindset or hate in thier ranks
@@Chop2016That's strange as sometimes you cannot be picky with recruits. Also with the Troubles at different points almost descending to full scale civil war and acts like the Kingsmill Massacre as a warning to loyalists, some IRA volunteers were sectarian.
@matthewbrady1562 Kingsmill was a terrible thing that those innocent men had to die, like that. In order to stop other innocent people being murdered. A sectarian state, sectarian security services, sectarian to its core. That the South Armagh Provos had to resort to sectarian murders in order to stop the Glenanne gangs sectarian rampage of murder through that area. Glenanne gang mostly made up of serving members of the security services. To look back now, it's sickening. The S.A Provos used a cover name because they knew it went against Republican ethos and it wasn't sanctioned too.
Like i said, the state security forces were sectarian, the loyalist were sectarian, what's surprising really is the lack of sectarian responses from Republicans.
My uncle and family lived at corrib avenue as well they moved to England 1975 no wonder!
Another excellent raw footage video from this brilliant channel. No matter which side you lie with, we must look to discourage further hostility.
Much appreciated
Feel bad for all the civilians that suffered or died on any side there.
The scariest thing about division is that it takes a LONG time to form, and by the time you recognize it, it's already to late to help that area.
England has divided our land for centuries and continues to do so.
We the people of this island I am from west belfast an most of the people I talk to are protestant an they see the truth an we teaching each other every day an we stand together in the face of the tyranny may holy father creator of all that's is good bless you all on your journey an give you courage to Stand up to these 4th riche evil ppl we are the only resistance an defence for our children women an the lands we live 🙏💙
this comment is very insightful
@@nonamenoface9491 correction - the hierarchy from England Britain have had the power - not England per say - stop causing division yourself by saying that - the hypocrisy 🙄
@@marcusatiliusregulus it’s not just that it takes some time - it’s that it’s introduced, indoctrinated into policy’s then the public are played a narrative (diversity is our strength) over and over - telling us what it is BEFORE it is even happening!
(They make it sound bigger than what it actually is)
Then we become BRAINWASHED with this dribble. To the point that if challenged, the labels then come out - you’re a R*cis* far right, etc bs
Excellent footage, Excellent Channel.
Colonisation has never worked out across the World, why would Ireland be any different??
Never learn.
Good to see you back missed your videos 🙏
This is how they divided us we the ppl must not comply and allow history to repeat itself ❤
I remember it all remember sleeping down stairs at night fear of being , I’ve shared this battle in the book I’ve wrote being edited at the minute 👍
At the start of the video at about 1.10 isn’t that Derry/Londonderry civil rights march?
Either way it’s another fantastic & important upload in the history of the troubles.
Well done
Seen 1 of your videos I must say last week or so and I've done nothing but watch then from I get up to I grow up being from Scotland and mived to Northern Ireland in and I've learnt alot I never knew didn't think ever think I'd be watching stuff about history yawn this I've went back from 2 years ago and no I'm on the 1year ago so far keep it up even if you don't see this message
Fantastic footage and the best channel so sad for the many people on both sides that were killed or having lost people brings tears to my eyes and I’m a Scotsman 😢
Intro brings back memories can you imagine are children waking up to the estate surrounded and brits kicking doors in i think i witnessed live firing from the Provies on the Brits once in the estate thank God nothing like this. May it never happen again.
If you had behaved maybe your doors wouldn’t have been kicked in
@@Felix-rising
Yes we where terrible badly behaved children my friend. So much so that it required 40 or 50 thousand security forces just to get the children in my estate just to go to bed . Get a life you sad cunt
@@Felix-rising Catch yer self on , The Brit's were kicking in innocent peoples doors all the time , my Grandparents had there door kicked in and the house smashed up many of times and I'll never forget it as a young wee lad seeing my Grandfather beaten and kicked and punched by the Brit's for nothing , They were evil bastards and this was in the late 80's !!
@@Felix-risingproving you haven’t got a clue🤫
@@NoddyOLeary2010 course I havnt , ask the ex divis rats how many nights they had with no doors or heating
Born an bred in Lenadoon. ❤❤❤
Just found this channel. Brilliant
Welcome aboard!
What is the tune the girl band is playing at 21:06?
As far as I know this was the largest battle of the conflict in terms of casualties. 28 dead, 14 civilians, 8 British soldiers, 3 O.IRA (2 from its youth wing), 2 P.IRA & 1 UDA and dozens injured, I think the internment battles of the 9 - 11 August 1971 with 22 dead was the second largest. In the middle of these battles were two massacres carried out by the British Army, the Ballymurphy massacre in 1971 and the Springhill massacre in 72.
You can't forget bloody Sunday too!
Soldier's billeted in peoples houses, in the 1970s. Who thought this was a good idea? Dear God....
The politics of the present are the politics of history. Ask yourself, do they show up to pour the concrete, or to cut the ribbon at the opening ceremony? In other words, politicians are lagging indicators, not leading indicators, which makes pinning your hopes for the future on them, an exercise in futility. Change, true and real, will come from neighborhood initiatives such as integrated schools.
i agree. But even in england on every housing estate there are schools of both religions and we would sing derogatory songs over the fence at each other, but it meant nothing and we were mates after school and neighbours, but i understand in NI this issue is distilled to toxification, evidently. politics also, but in integrated schools in can be all conveyed with balance, no longer giving 'politicians and the community leaders the power of misleading their dupes with garbled accounts of the past' (some irish historian said that in a book i read once, couldn't tell you who like, anyone know? ) then, then kids can move on with balanced minds and lives.
Ask who played the orange card and why
This place is still in a stalemate. Chalk and cheese. Things will take a long time before it’s not a sectarian state.
The government's labelled the IRA a terrorist organisation, so how can they be held to the same standards as the British army? The British army was there to uphold the law, but they didn't they shot dead innocent catholics on their own streets in the Ballymurphy massacre and on Bloody Sunday in Derry. Terrorist behaviour also.
I'm from the south and your right
what is the song in the beginning of the video?
Irish Ways and Irish Laws by Christy Moore
Who was the silent fellow sitting next to Seamus Twomey during his interview?
It's interesting to remember that Seamus Twomey had actually been in London a fortnight before, meeting NI Secretary William Whitelaw for secret talks. So he knew exactly what he was talking about (the reporter was unaware at that time).
Ah, it's Seamus Loughran
I was born there,put out of our house there,kerrykeele gardens I was born on the estate,I was 5 when we left,grew up on the Shankill road....
I love ireland from liverpool still love it been 3 times beautiful
Heartbreaking to see the community torn apart like this
@@Sarah.mc1612 it sure was,it was my mum and dad's first home
@@sam6525 it was very sad to watch & see it happen 😥
@@sam6525 they didn't move out 50 yrds from these houses ??? On blacks rd !! Why was that !!? Because there was no intimidation from nationalists !!! The moved because the Uda told them to .
Remember Yaco Hughes drove the lorry down Lenadoon that day
This really hard to comment on. Clearly The British were well informed and had every rcourse to carry out a massacre. To this day I find this em hard.
26 mins in sitting on what is now carrigart youth centre looking up creeslough park
Catholic , Protestant and Dissenter...!! Saoírse , Eíre Núa !!
Man's inhumanity to man
British oppression and plantation. This is the effects, we see it all over the world. Anywhere the Brits touch, they leave in tatters
Thats the a stonecold mass murderer. Imagine fighting on two fold.? Who's going to grass?
If the Catholics had moved in to the empty houses isn't there a decent chance they'd have been burnt or intimidated out like in other parts of Belfast?
Not in lenadoon, it's a republican stronghold
They empty houses where protestant people chased out, and being replaced with catholics. All so so sad. Both ways
Vid ruined with constant 20 seconds adverts. Unwatchable.
I've no control over that chum.
My channel isnt monitized so adds being shown is disgusting as its YT making money not me or the doc owners.
Sorry about that.
@@ATroubledLand Thankyou for explaining, apologies for any offence.
@@brendos5289 No apologies needed chum, thank you for allowing me to have a go at RUclips!!! :))
Question here for any that will answer. Why is there a witchunt for British soldiers that commited war crimes but not one for IRA members that commited crimes just as bad if not worse. Youd think patriots that killed their own people would hand themselves in or be handed in by other IRA. I often hear this complaint about british forces that individual soldiers didnt do enough to stop crimes or that they should help prosecute and yet this same energy isnt applied to IRA members behind omagh etc. Maybe im wrong but i honestly believe the troubles is the most hypocritical war in history.
Because it was a selective war on the part of the IRA. The republicans are generally incessant whingers
The government's labelled the IRA a terrorist organisation, so how can they be held to the same standards as the British army? The British army was there to uphold the law, but they didn't they shot dead innocent catholics on their own streets in the Ballymurphy massacre and on Bloody Sunday in Derry. Terrorist behaviour also.
Internment without trial. look it up.
@@Jie67 im talking about now mate
@@commando4481 none of them are committing war crimes now.
and just like the loyalists and provos who made alot of cash now a person claiming to have remastered documentaries and wanting you to pay access to a site,theres alot of silly people on here paying to view work this person claims is his what a joke
There we're many good Protestant's UDF effed there own.
And they did take lennadoon haha
British Army should of done more to protect their own people and the Protestant people. 🇬🇧
Indeed we should have. Too many people worried about their careers to take the gloves off
Fuck off British shouldn't been there in the frist place scum the lot of them back then
@@Felix-risingTiocfaidh ár lá🇮🇪
Such an uneducated comment from someone who clearly doesn't understand the history of this place. I suggest you go learn the history.
The British army was sent in to protect the catholic people from protestant mobs attacking them and burning them out of their houses because at the time the police force didn't nothing to protect catholics because they were a sectarian force who discriminated against catholics.
The British government let this happen in Northern Ireland for decades and done nothing about it. So what did the catholics do to not be treated like 2nd class citizens? Formed a civil rights movement and they were still attacked and beaten. Hence why the IRA was formed.
Not one single british soldier deployed in Ireland came from Ireland.
Great video but for that one trick pony Brian Blessed doing his pathetic voice overs for Flash.
The more they beat us the louder we became like the skin of a drum.
Mini Gaza
Gerry ADAMS WROTE DIRECT ED AND PRODUCED AND EDITITED THIS FILIM
Yes sir , Gerry works for the BBC in his spare time
Don't talk silly bollocks .
Gerry can categorically deny that he was never a member of the BBC. 😂
Interesting that the priest states he was acting under no influence by the IRA, when you look at his address to the residents he was surrounded on all sides by children, looks stage managed.
Definitely wasn’t staged managed. He was our parish priest and a lovely person. I can remember these events. It was horrendous. It very insulting to say something was staged managed- I wonder how you would have survived during these times and the ongoing emotional stress that has affected my generation
Sam and MARY mcconkey !?! Think mary took the soup .