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This video brings you back to 1919-1921 during the Irish War of Independence. These are some old interviews from Irish Republican Army (IRA) and Black and Tans - veterans of the Tan War in Ireland.
Timestamps
0:00 - Intro
1:37 - IRA & Tans Interviews
5:28 - Dan Breen
11:45 - Vinnie Byrne
14:11 - Tom Barry
These clips are amazing! And what a job of remastering! Wonderful piece! Congratulations Davy Holden 🇮🇪🇮🇪👍💚
Thanks so much Kathryn 😊
@@Tman1969much better than britain S.....e......hole.
@@Tman1969not relative to what was happening in the country then, is it now?
This is fascinating as my Grandmother was almost killed by Black and Tans who threw a grenade at her group as they sat on a stone wall.
The devils spawn in black and tan. God bless and keep after your Grandmother in Heaven. All the best t'you my Irish cousin.
My uncle John Rourke in Crockeen Co Leitrim was shot in the leg by Tans as he made his escape over a wall. He was born in 1877 and died in 1974. His house and land was squatted by Bernard William MC Govern who has his own plot now in Drumreilly.
As a reasonably frequent English visitor to Ireland, it's incredible how quickly the country has changed. It has traded an embattled and sincerely held national view, for a highly secularised global model. Would the Irish or English people in this video have recognised what their countries had become, much less approved of it?
Not a chance two proud nations/breeds standing up for what both sides believed was right 💚❤️
Wouldn't have bothered fighting if they knew a future craven Govt. would sell us down the river.
the world is shrinking
@@susanmoriarty7533”breeds”
Good lord. Don’t tell me you’re a phrenologist too.
@@Teeveepicksures
Is that what you call the deliberate re placement of Europeans.
Thank you for putting this video out. There's not much like it on RUclips and I've been wanting this exact sort of thing for a very long time. I appreciate all you do to teach Irish history, and I thank you for your resources and your efforts.
Thank you so much pal. Really appreciate that 😊
I agree
Amazing portrayal. So enjoyed watching.
@@davyholden I agree! Fair play to you. I even thought of setting a channel up like this myself at one point. So much to get into though, but there will also be content I suppose .. and I would find it hard not to be bias. I do still think about it every so often but music is what I need to put that time and resources into. Particularly music with traditional elements. You’ve got this covered and it’s very much needed and very important, much love 💪🏻🇮🇪💚
Thank you, Davy!!! Your lessons and pride you show, doing these lessons.
Stay safe and warm
I saw these interviews and others from the same programmes and others many years ago. First of all that IRA Volunteer at 2 56-3.04 with the gentle soft voice and expression is Billy Mullins. His name is not given in this interview. He was a brave,gallant man who fought tenaciously for the freedom of his country. He was a comrade of my grandfather in the same IRA North Co.Kerry Brigade. My grandfather served with both the 1st & 2nd Royal Munster Fusiliers(would have been his local regiment) and the 51st Welch Regiment during WW1 and saw action at various fronts including the Somme. He was lucky to survive being hit in the head by a German sniper. When he came home to Ireland he joined the Kerry IRA. He stated and please forgive the agricultural language "I spent 3 years in tbe trenches of the Western Front up to my neck in mud,shit,piss and puke fighting for the freedom of small nation's. Ha Ha. As an experienced soldier and Irishman my duty was now not only to fight for my race and country in this new intimate war but for my family,neighbours and those lads I grew up with and went to school with and were now my comrades in arms. I was now fighting in the towns,villages of my native county. All us lads knew the county intimately from visiting cousins and friends in other parts. We knew the hills,mountains, and valleys where we played hide and go seek like the back of our hands. But in 1920 and 1921 there would be more serious consequences for getting caught. Ha Ha." It is no coincidence the best IRA units had Great War veterans in the ranks. Also the IRA's greatest victories in the Irish War of Independence were either planned by an IRA veteran of WW1 or they played a crucial role in their success. In Co.Kerry there was IRA Great War veterans at the famous Headford Junction ambush of March 21st 1921 which resulted in 8 British KIA and 11 WIA from the 1st Bn Royal Fusiliers(City of London regiment). This was one of the major victories by the IRA against ther regular British Army. When Richard Mulcahy first heard of this successful attack he thought it was the work of one of the Cork columns!. It was an IRA Great War veteran who had top marksmanship skills who killed the notorious decorated Auxiliary Major John McKinnon at Tralee,Co.Kerry Golf club while he was about to putt on the green in April 1921. Some local wit stated they were the best shots ever on that golf course. The IRA Great War veteran who shot him hid in a nearby tree. The death of Major Mackinnon was a great coup as he was the highest ranking Auxiliary in Co.Kerry as he was Officer Commanding (OC) of "H" Company. There was IRA Great War veterans from Co.Kerry involved in the Clonbanin ambush in Co.Cork on 5th March 1921.. This was a joint action involving both units from Co.Kerry and Co. Cork under the overall leadership of Sean Moylan. They attacked a large British Army convoy consisting of 3 lorries,touring car and a Rolls Royce armoured car. There was four British soldiers killed. One was Colonel-Commandant Hamway Cummins who would be the higgest ranking British Officer KIA. I have a picture of him presenting medals in Killarney on 4th March 1921 and he would be KIA the following day! This picture was kindly given to me by a British colleague at the Imperial War Museum. Along with Cummins another British officer and two privates from the East Lancashire regiment were KIA. Some reports state 13 British soldiers were killed but that is not the case. There was IRA veterans involved in the Castlemaine,Co.Kerry ambush on 1s June 1921 which left 5 RIC men dead. I also have another picture of Colonel-Commandant Cummins and also in the picture is Lt Adams of the 1st Royal Fusiliers. This picture was taken in early March 1921 in front of tbe RIC barracks in Kenmare. What is remarkable is that both British Officers would be KIA within days of this picture being taken. Colonel Commandant on 5th March 1921(Clonbanin,Co.Cork) and Lt- Adams Royal Fusiliers on 21st March 1921(Headford Junction,Killarney,Co.Kerry). Once again a copy of this picture was given to me by a British colleague at the Imperial War Museum. On that subject I have copies of great photos taken from the British side that dont appear in history books. By the time of the 11th July 1921 Truce the experienced hardened IRA Volunteer could be justifiably considered a first rate light infantry soldier. At the time of the Truce the Crown Forces were estimated at 75,000-80,000 personnel. Against this the IRA in terms of actually armed men could only put into the field 2,500-3,000 men. The great Irish historian T.Ryle Dwyer wrote an excellent book on the Irish War of Independence and Irish Civil War in in Co.Kerry titled "Tans,Terror & Troubles".. A great tribute to outstanding men and women. However it is the families of those men and women of that generation that know the real sacrafice these brave men and women paid. Some of what happened never made it into history books. These IRA men in Co.Kerry and of course other counties would be described as freedom fighters and guerillas in history books. However to us their nearest and dearest they were fathers,grand fathers,great grand fathers uncles and great uncles etc. Some of us as children would remember them dressed in their Sunday best at Mass and later talking outside to older gentleman of a similar vintage no doubt former comrades talking of the turbulent times and the low sombre respectful tone when a name was mentioned which afterwards I came to know was a fallen comrade. I am so proud of my relatives in that south west corner of the Republic of Ireland in Co.Kerry. This great county is known as "The Kingdom". The great William Shakespeare wrote a beautiful prose in relation to King Henry the 5ths great victory at Aggincourt on St.Crispins Day He referred to the longbowmen as "We happy few,we band of brothers". This could be applied to the IRA's Flying Columns and Active Service units. These brave men and women in Co.Kerry and the rest of Ireland would also not only inspire future generations of Irishmen and women but the Irish War of Independence in both its military and political elements would inspire future wars of Independence,freedom,liberation, self determination and anti colonial struggles in the decades that followed. These interviews from both sides gave a reslistic picture of the Irish War of Independence. I would like to pay tribute to a special family in Co.Kerry who contributed so much to the Republican cause. . Dan Alman a brave,gallant IRA Officer paid the ultimate sacrafice for the Republic he fought for when he was KIA on 21st March 1921 at Headford Junction,Killarney,Co.Kerry. His brother Father Myles Alman was a staunch Republican and Nationalist.This proud Irish priest came in for harsh treatment by tbe Black &Tans ,regular RIC Auxiliaries("H " Coy) and regular British Army (Royal Fusiliers and North Lancashire Regiment) not only for his own political beliefs but obviously also being the brother of an IRA Officer. He would passionately defend the Anti-Treaty IRA during the Irish Civil War. They had a sister May who did Herculean work for Cumman Na Mban in both the Irish War of Independence and Irish Civil War. She would later becone a nun. This generstion of Irishmen and women were so special. For some of us relatives and descendants of this great generation who became soldiers ourselves made us really appreciate the bravery,indefatigable and indomitable courage of this generation who took on an Empire.
Simply, your post was a poignant reminder to everyone ❤
Thanks for sharing and educating us.
That Billy Mullins was not a popular volunteer and that came from the lads that were still atlroynd in the 80s and I remember the 75th commemoration commemoration in Tralee by SF and Mullins was brought out to condemn it in the Kerryman....Dan Keating didn't agree.
@@BostonBossI agree
I love history, this comment was special ❤
Thanks for posting this 🙏
You really have done an amazing job on this channel providing interesting and factual information. THANK YOU & Cheers!
Thank you 😊🙏
Check out historian David Lesson name by name research showing they were mostly irish born and it was reviewed by O Halpin and published in Irish Times,check it yrself
Outstanding Davy
Fascinating interviews. Thanks
Fascinating. Thank you.
No egos just proud Irish men and women defending their country from full on imperial oppression and degradation also control to me they will always be heroes💚🤍🤎 R.I.P
@AFW5627 where you want them to be ?
@@AFW5627what are you talking about?
And now you’re ruled from Brussels, you no longer have your own currency and your streets are full of foreigners; and if you speak up against it you’ll likely wind up in the dock. Some independence.
@@squirehaggard4749 your talking complete garbage.
@@Ooohhhhardaaahhh Is he though?, It is full of foreign nationals, its run by two foreign currencies - EU euro in the south & brit pounds in the north. I love my country, but were being ruled by a shower of bastards! Right Now!
“Share that amongst ye” 😂
Thank VERY MUCH for your hard work. Its very informative and objective, asim hearing from both sides. ❤ 🇮🇪
Northern ireland 🇬🇧
Brilliant history again Davey 👏 👍
Thank you Claire 😊
Awesome.
Great work Davy ....
Brilliant footage
The Tans were fighting for silver, the Irish were fighting for a cause….
And look what they got them a divided country and hundreds of civilians killed by cowards hiding in hedges and blowing up pubs
Bloody hypocrites! 20% of the Black and Tans were Irish anyway and 80% of the RIC were Irish Catholics. And don't even start me on all those Irish traitors, spies and informers. As an Englishman it seems to me that many Irish do not even understand their own history.
Give it a rest for Gods sake 😂
@@June1815VICTORY Go cry about it Little Englander.
@@June1815VICTORY The ‘Tans’, auxiliaries, Ulster Special Constabulary/‘B’ Specials were all fighting for silver, fighting for Westminster, fighting for their King and Country, fighting for Westminster.
Good video very insightfull
Thank you!
thanks Davy...very interesting indeed...let us never forget...
Great upload btw.
I just received my 15oz Lady of Éire mug. Amazing! Thank you!
Thank you Gary! Delighted you like it. It's such a cool mug!
With respect, is there a link for this mug?
Plenty of MUGS about these days on both isles im afraid...
@@brucevaughn2886it’s available on my website 😊 www.davyholdenhistory.com
That was very interesting and educational, Davy! 🙏💚☘️
Glad you enjoyed it 😊
Great watch 👌👍
This is amazing footage.
Dan Breen my Hero
You spelt Gary wrong.
Sir Edward Carson 🇬🇧
Is mine
Davy youve a new fan here bro, keep up the great work!
Them tans fired from a lorry at my grandmother and her sister going to school as little girls in Co. Clare, then went up to their mother's house and ransacked the place and ate everything, they're hated to this day in my family anyway. My grandfather was a volunteer in Tipperary. Pity they missed them two
That’s the spirit , never forgive the Vikings for the rape and killing they done to your forefathers either!!
Sure they did. Funny I heard the same story in my family too.
@@jcoker423It is not impossible that such things happened to the both of you but there is reason to doubt it.
The Black and Tans raided our house often, they came in the middle of the night bayoneted the feather mattresses searched everywhere, threatened my Grandfather. My Grandmother and the children went at dusk over the fields to another village to sleep in a house there, returning in the morning.
The Black and Tans arrested Grandfather Grandmother and their young children, suspected of having a safe house for fighters. In the yard of the Garda barracks they threatened to hang him in front of the children.
He took out his and Granny’s American passports and showed them so they were released.
In the aftermath of the famine, as teenagers they were sent to New York where they met and married,
They returned to Ireland with their first child.
@@annaocarroll742 This is so wrong on so many accounts my eyes water at the nonsense. You wrote about Black and Tans, an Garda Síochána all before the famine? What the @#£%?!
Thankyou so much, that was amazing. God bless you Davy
Thank you Dave 😊
I'm half Scottish and half Italian, with an Irish great grandmother from Blackwatertown in Co. Armagh. During WW2 my Italian grandfather took part in the invasion and occupation on Yugoslavia, and he used to tell me about the fierce anti-guerrilla tactics employed by the Italian troops fighting Tito's partisans. The country had degenerated into a bloody civil war, with Yugoslav Serb Royalists fighting the Germans, the Croatian collaborationist Ustase, while collaborating with the Italians (and later with the Germans). Executions and reprisals were the norm, but my grandfather, who was a Sergeant Major in the Italian infantry, hated it. He used to say that it was one thing to kill in combat, but it was horrible to be in a firing squad. After telling me these stories he always had tears in his eyes, he came from a farming family exactly like the people he was fighting and who, in his opinion, had all the rights to fight the invaders and occupiers. He wasn't a faint-hearted man, he joined the Italian riot control police in 1945 (the Celere police troops), but he still cried when he recalled some of the worst things he witnessed in Yugoslavia...and he never told me all the details.
You have literally just exposed that your family member was part of a firing squad that executed someone.
Dan Breen, at 7:26, reminds me of my old grandfather. But my grandad was a Donegal man but spoke very much like Dan. Breens were, originally, a part of the Ulster Nothern Ui Neil, but lost their land..so that might be the link.
Dan Been what an amazing old Irish man. A true Irish hero. I would love to have met him 🇮🇪
Breen*
I can't believe that you just said that.
That was exactly what I was thinking while watching him speak. If I was ever asked "Is there one person that you would love to meet and be able to shake their hand, who would it be ?". Dan would be the man. Ironically, the second would be a wonderful Englishman, David Attenborough. What a brave and intelligent man Dan was. I love his straight talking and how he articulated why his views were like they were. In 2024, its very difficult for us to understand the tyranny and theft of dignity that these imposters imposed on the people of this Island. Colonialism is never right and deserves to be rejected & purged. But it takes brave men (like Dan) and women to rise up and put their lives on the line for that to happen. Sadly, its still happening. The Dues and dumb yanks have driven out the poor people in what is now called Israel and Palestine from their homes since 1947 through persecution and aggression. Its no surprise that Ireland does not support these colonialists/terr0r1sts, we have been there.
Very well off man Dan breen develera looked after him,4 pensions,tried to ambush mick collins,develera was a dirty dog,may he rot in hell,any man knows his irish history realise what develera was and done turned great irish men again one another.
@creekyknee you mean SIR David..gtf out of here
My ancestors were Sirs, its not something that I am proud of but time happens, we move on. DA is an exception, there are not many born like him so we should all be glad that we have been lucky enough to benefit from his wisdom. You my friend are in need of a cuddle.@@theeaskey
Wonderful Spirit. Tom Barry!
Davy, thank you for this brief but critically important insight into Ireland's history. Ireland should be for the Irish, as is England for the English, France for the French, Germany for the Germans, Italy for Italians, Spain for the Spanish etc.
My life-long dream is to see Ireland become united without the imposition of the English.♥
Mate, it's the British government not the English people. You would have a united Ireland years ago if the decision was left to the English in a referendum. You Irish need to think about that when you talk about politics. It's a clique of people
who make up a few thousand just that they are rich and powerful The English for England and the Irish for Ireland. We'd have no problem with it, we being the great unwashed outside that clique, as I'm sure they see us
@@salus1231Agree it's the establishments not the normal man on the street I oppose! Peace ✌️ out ☘️ 👍
The northern Irish wish to remain British
Thank you so much Gary!
@@AFW5627 If that was true, people in northern Ireland would be calling for one
The black in tans were brutal in their behaviour and tactics.most were vets of the great war.
Great work davy.......👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Thank you 😊
Great video
I interviewed my antie of 93 years we talked about Black and Tans- and my mum - she blamed Churchill for deliberately taking prisoners from Uk jails giving them a uniform to kill the Irish ☘️
My mother was born 1922 used to tell me about the burning of cork and her grandmother had a safe house for the IRA. The tans came one day and killed one of her sons. She was no fan of Churchill......never forget the history. Move on but don't assume anything has really changed in the relationship with England
@@jcoker423 read the telegraph of late on Ireland if you think anything has changed with England
@@jcoker423 you don't sound very Irish to me. The baloney pun is pathetic
@@jcoker423 you should have listened to them. The telegraph wrote on Ireland a few days ago and was basically hinting that England should reinvade Ireland as they see that a united Ireland poses a security threat to the UK. It's not me whose living in the past. That is the same old empire rhetoric voiced just in the past few days by the English media. We need to remember and not forget. You are dismissive of history and that's a grave mistake. The history handed down from generation to generation in families is the primary source of a national identity. Your seeking to trash and eradicate that is is a regrettable if not sinister instinct in you. Your voice sounds intolerant and of the old empire.
@@jcoker423 I know exactly what is happening in Ireland now. The history held in families is very valuable. You should listen to your relatives more. The telegraph identified a united Ireland as a security threat to England a few days ago. Its the same old empire voice. Nothing changes. You reject family historical tradition at your peril.
God free Ireland say we all ☘Give Ireland back to the Irish ☘🙏
Please tell me John, when Ireland was ever a "united" country ? Answer.....only ONCE in history....when it was an integral part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland. Apart from that period, Ireland has NEVER been one united country (unlike Scotland and England who had countless Kings, Queens and rulers). The modern day Republic has done brilliantly to remove much of the influence and power of the corrupt Roman Catholic Church ,but to achieve a "United Ireland" the politicians in the Republic need to bin Varadkar and Sinn Fein. Not a cat in hells chance 1.5 million Protestants would vote to merge with these guys. Varadkar hates the UK, and as for Sinn Fein.......
I was working with an old Irish man, he kept calling the boss a Tan. I asked him what it means. He gave me the outline for which I am ever grateful. I’m still learning and this was some years ago. Obviously I started referring to the boss as a Tan..☘️ 🇮🇪 👍🏾
I hope you all can save your lands while you still have a chance
What, STILL ?
Yeah, just take the guy's word for it, and slander your own boss. That's the smart thing to do.
Incredible
Excellent
The biggest lesson of this whole conflict from the introduction of the Home Rule Bill in 1912 to the formation of the Irish Free State in 1922 and eventual Republic is how to grossly mismanage a politcal siuation in every feasible way immaginable by the British. ...
They had plenty practice…
@@jixuscrixus1967 Indeed...
The Home Rule Bill (AKA the Government of Ireland Act 1914) was given the RA on 18th Sept 1914 (not 1912) which was followed in the same afternoon by the Suspensory Act (suspending the Home Rule Act) also on 18th Sept 1914.
MAKES ONE WONDER WHAT ALL THE FIGHTING WAS ABOUT,AND WAS IT WORTH ALL THE LIVES LOST IN THE STRUGGLE FOR INDEPENDENCE.A LITTLE OVER A CENTURY LATER THE COUNTRY SO HARD FOUGHT FOR HAS BEING SOLD DOWN THE RIVER BY SELF SERVING GOVTS, MORE INTRESTED IN MAINTAINING THEIR OWN WEALTH AND POSITIONS RATHER THAN SERVING THE PEOPLE THAT ELECTED THEM.J/PQ.
And now just immigrate to good old Ireland from all over no one will stop you for fear of being called a bad person cause its all about no borders no countries let all freely walk in to housing benefit and money to live on.The original inhabitants will of course be delighted after all their children don't need housing. Ti's not racist to wonder whats going on.
Black and tans motivated by money .irishmen by principles
I agree one materialistic English Irish much more spiritual minded
@4:00 the Irish wit, ‘here share that amongst ya’ 😂
I’ve read quite a lot about Dan Breen. He was a figure of necessity in the War of Independence. But he was also a cold-blooded killer and later on a eugenicist and Nazi sympathiser. Out of all the heroes of those times he troubles me the most. Still, as I say, a necessary figure in hard times.
So right am an English man and they still doing it today you had the balls to fight for your country my man respect
Traitor
@@hmq9052why is he a traitor for respecting the fighting prowess of our similar cultured neighbours and their love for their island?, im sure the Irish respect the British fighting prowess to, why wouldn't they? , they're practically the same ancient peoples..with ancestral connections running all the way through both isles....
@@hmq9052he’s not a traitor. Firstly he realises that he’s English and not British. Secondly there’s nothing wrong with appreciating other people’s fight for freedom. Something Yorkshire, and northern England as a whole should do to gain the rights we once lost
Also you have to remember the english RULING classes exploited and murdered the English serfs before exporting their evil ways , cutting ears and noses of petty thieves was popular, I'm half dutch and English does this make me half a traitor for wanting a United eire ???? It's only fair ...
@@wor53lg50 ye u think so 🤣🤣🇮🇪🇮🇪tiocfaidh ar la
I’ve seen most of these interviews, but you did a great job of weaving them together. Tom Barry is the most prophetic - that interview had to be from the 70’s, but he undstood the dynamics of the island, history and the Irish people. He is right- there will never be peace until the British leave all of Ireland….
Sounds ominous. Let the northern Irish live in peace
and today you have another invasion dont forget the same thing today no foreign presence of any sort not just the british
@@hmq9052they cant live in peace, they are under british administration
@@hmq9052Do you honestly think this conflict is over? It’s just taking a nap….
@@user-wu5ig9be9x Are you one of the angry IRA people?
Martin Walton interviewed there also who went on to establish Waltons Music Shop, still in business in Dublin
Fascinating upload!! If I remember right... the colour interviews with the IRA men and the [curse words redacted!] Tans was from a 1981 BBC documentary series by Robert Kee called "Ireland: A Television Hostory". Would I happen to be correct in that? I remember it being on the TV in my childhood (Yes I'm really that old! Haha) and it was one of the few things we could see on stuff back home here in the diaspora in England. I remember it causing the usual stink among the botlicking Brit Empire lackeys!
Anyway thanks for this! Really fascinating to watch and a lot of memories of stuff I learned from the immigrant parents not told to us by the British "edcuation" system!
Good on ye for this! Go raibh míle maith agat, a chara!!
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The interview with Tom Barry where you can see his hearing aid is from the documentary "Curious Journey" by Kenneth Griffith. Kenneth was a Welsh actor and had such sympathy for his Celtic cousins. The documentary "Curious Journey" also featured various interviews with Irish veterans of the Revolutionary period both men and women including David Nelligan who was Michael Collins spy in Dublin Castle. Like Tom Barry, David Nelligan would write a memoir "The Spy In the Castle". David's reputation would be tarnished as he was accused of torturing Anti Treaty IRA prisoners in Co.Kerry during the Irish Civil War. Kenneth Griffith also wrote an excellent book titled "Ireland's Unfinished Revolution" which was the type written words of his interviews with various veterans of the 1916 Easter Rising, Irish War of Independence and Irish Civil War of both men and women in "Curious Journey". Kenneth also made a great documentary about Michael Collins titled "Hang Up Your Brightest Colours" (a phrase from George Bernard Shaw). Kenneth was in the movie "Wild Geese" with Roger Moore and Richard Harris. He had a lengthy film and TV career. He also made great documentaries about the Boer War and Anglo-Zulu War for the BBC.Hope this is helpful. Cheers.
@@johnroche7541 yes, I remember Kenneth Griffith. He did some great stuff on this as I rember well. Not seen much of it but am aware of it. Sadly, he went more right-wing later in life and defended things like South African Apartheid, or more specifically, attacked those opposing it. I remember him in The Wild Geese which I saw on TV when I was kid in the early 80s.
As the ex-British Auxiliaries at the start freely admit, they came back from settling the dispute between the Hapsburg cousins in Europe to stand in dire poverty in a bread queue in Birmingham. Of course they’ll take a few shillings to ship over to Ireland to fight the new enemy of the British overclass: a few struggling Irish farmers. You can get hungry men to do anything for the benefit of wealthy people in power. And times haven’t changed.
Sad but true
It was a job. Stop pretending they had no agency.
@@johnnotrealname8168 They had no food.
@@user-jr2lz7es7g Not literally. Unemployment was high no doubt. There was potential for revolution in 1919 and that with the Bolshevik nonsense in 1917 well a topic for another day.
and james conolly predicting this from the start is pure gold. long live the working class
The power of history reborn surged massively throughout this poignant video.. and a masterful touch giving both sides it was..
One thing in common prevailed.. in the eyes of all the speakers in these unforgettable closeups could clearly be seen.. sadness.. sorrow.. unrelenting pain..
You allowed these men to speak for themselves in this incredible video.. bringing time alive once again you have..
Excellent video Davy.. your touch is golden..
Btw.. the scene with Daniel Breen telling the story.. of the tomato he thought was an apple.. made me cry..
This video touches your heart as it teaches.. 🌹☘️
Jen999💜💙
Class bit of lrish history never seen this and I love the history of what went on then
A fascinating. Insight.
Awesome job and tom barry he if the flying column ?!
That is Tom Barry who led the IRA Flying Column of the 3rd West Cork Brigade. He had served with the Royal Field Artillery in WW1 and saw action in the Middle East in both Mesopotamia-modern day Iraq and Egypt.. He was part of the British force that failed to break through the Turkish/German lines to relieve General Charles Townsend who was besieged at Kut Al Almara in 1916. In WW1 Tom refused a commission into the Royal Munster Fusiliers. He had some disciplinary issues and was never promoted beyond the rank of Bombardier. He would be the most successful IRA Field Commander in the Irish War of Independence.
The film...The wind that shakes the barley ...very sad and realistic of the way the british treated a great race of people ...and deservvedly got thrown out of Eire 👍👍....
New subscriber fr NYC 🙏💚🇮🇪
That was classic.,👌👌
If you thought the conflict between Protestants and catholics was bad, wait till you see what’s coming.
I often think about how ridiculous the current 'Irish vs British' mentality is. With the exception of the people in NI, who still feel the grief of The Troubles, the Irish need to focus on the bigger threat we face - and that goes for the British too
@davidh7071 I see your one of those far-right traitors to Ireland. An absolute embarrassment and the hypocrisy is sickening. The real threat to Ireland now is the far-right scum and the unionists in the North.
Son, you are going to find that the English are puppies, the dogs and bitches are amongst you.
@@basedelon Being part of the EU has been great for the Irish economy. Or perhaps you want Ireland to go back to the poverty of the 60s & 70s?
@@basedelon what a daft comment!
As a Northener..................................sound words from Tom Barry.............................................
Is that Colm O'Gorman narrating? God I remember him often on the TV in the 80s! Very distinctive RTE accent..
Your home land is your home no matter where it is the british invaded ireland we fought for what is our culture our country our family we are irish and proud to be
Black and Tans are still arriving from the UK
Only far more dangerous this time...
Seriously though. The English, Irish and all European nations need to set aside their differences at this point.
@@warwickscram1656war is WAY too profitable for that
Should maybe worry more about Islam!
There's no black and tans. The war is over. It's been 102 years. Ireland is independent. Please read a book.
@@Maidaseu wow... thick as man..
If those old nationalists could see the state of Ireland now 😂
I don't think any one would fight for their country britian or ireland if they saw what they have become
@@baileygregory9192those heros fought for Ireland to be free. That mission is not complete. Freedom means you are free to make mistakes and I guess that's why you feel Ireland is heading down the wrong path. We have to learn from those heros to never give up. Never despair. Ireland wants to be like everyone else at the moment. They look at the glittering bauble and want it . But Ireland will eventually become what those heros fought for don't worry.....when the English leave as the hero said...
@marymoloney5784 I don't just feel like ireland is heading down the wrong path I feel like my own country the uk is heading down the exact same path and its not working here so it would have been worse had ireland not got its independence. I just don't think most people form back then would like how our nations have be come tho hopefully we can rectify those mistakes. Either way I hope ireland turns out OK, it's am amazing nation. And you are fully correct about it least ireland has the freedom to make those mistakes and not be oppressive dictated to do so by a foriegn power in London.
@@baileygregory9192 there are many good people in the UK. Travel hopefully
All for nothing
3:53 im sitting here pissing myself what a character 😂
This is really interesting hearing from both IRA and the Black and Tans. Can anyone suggest some books to learn more about this time period more from the Irish perspective?
Awesome vid mate. Good men on both sides. As a Protestant English man I think we have bigger problems at the moment than what happened in history.
I was going question your comment but then stopped and thought about it more.....
You know what, there probably was good people on both sides. Keep in mind that these devils (the black & tans) were more like Vinny Byrne than they were to their commanding officers. They like Vinny were soldiers and just following orders. However, we all know about the horrific reprisals that they executed on innocent civilians which kind of lessons that argument. But...
You could argue that, once again it was their hierarchy that was to blame for not controlling their foot soldiers. However, one overriding fact cannot be avoided. These "soldiers" were in our country, killing our people and you know why ? Just because they could. i.e. they were more powerful at that point in time. Thankfully, in 2024 with the demise of the British economy following their genius decision to leave the largest trading block in the World, Ireland will not be subjected to that kind of subjugation in the next 100 years by our neighbours. Karma !
Oh the irony of it, a United Ireland is in-evitable in the next 20 years. Not because of force but because the dumb Brits voted to leave the EU. Their economy is going down the drain and people on this Island who live in the 6 counties will use their noggins and vote to join the EU.
In conclusion, I agree with you. You do indeed have bigger problems to contend with. Good luck with that !
@@creekyknee You make a valid point. In every war or conflict every soldier is directed by his own moral compass. In Co.Cork Colonel Hudson of the 1st Kings Liverpool Regiment literally saved the lives of many IRA prisoners from vengeful members of the Crown Forces. Tom Barry described him as a "gentleman". It was soldiers from the Welch Regiment that helped Ernie O'Malley and others escape from Kilmainham Jail in Dublin. Ernie O'Malley was captured in Co.Kilkenny by the Auxiliaries under the alias "Bernard Stewart" . If his true identity had been established he would have literally faced the hangman. When General Lucas was allowed to escape by the IRA he gave numerous interviews to the British press and stated that and I quote verbatim "I was treated as a gentleman by gentlemen". Sean McEoin carried out a successful ambush against members of "M" Coy Auxiliaries at Clonfin in Co. Longford in early February 1921. His unit killed 4 Auxiliaries and several were wounded. Sean McEoin was chivalrous to the defeated Auxiliaries and helped the wounded. Sean McEoin was later captured in Mullingar,Co.Westmeath by soldiers from the East Yorkshire Regiment. Later at Sean McEoin's trial several of the Auxiliaries that he ambushed attended and gave evidence of his fair treatment and battlefield etiquette. Not every member of the Crown Forces had horns and a tail!
are there ANY recordings of Michael Collins speaking?
Would love to see a good objective documentary about RIC Head Constable Eugene Igoe from Mayo...
As a protestant, I have to agree with Mr Barry, the English government needs to go. The protestant and catholics from this country could sort ourselves out.
I just wish we could be governed by intellectual types, professors etc. No politicians who subscribe to either religion.i would prefer no politicians at all infact, economics professors looking after the economy etc, business professors looking after that topic, medical professors looking after health care etc etc.
To govern a country I believe religion should not be involved, I don't nor ever will trust any politicians. To me they are all scam artists with little to no morals. I don't want northern irwland to be put if the Republic for this exact same reason. There is too much religion involved. I'd far rather have professors who are confirmed atheists doing the job.
None of that makes sense!
Religion doesn't stand for much nowadays.
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I'd rather have leading professors running the country, not politicians, and especially not politicians who subscribe to any religious view points what so ever.
Hopefully that cleared it up for you, I'm not very good with words.
There are 64,000 townlands in Irelands 4 provinces .
Imagine clusters of small homeland bioregions, where attributes of Nature laid out the boundaries.
Rivers, ridges, valleys , plains and uplands separate regions.
Inside this network of bioregions, a network of working cooperatives could produce necessary goods, produce and provide services , within and across bioregional boundaries.
We don't need to own the land , we are all part of it.
Are you sure your a protestant comeing out with comments like that.
Dan Breen one hell of a volunteer.
The Green and lovely lanes of Killeshandra,
My great unle was in the Black and Tans , not something I’m proud of, he died in the 1950s before I was born, he had fought in the first war, I would have liked to have had a chat with him
Well not every Black & Tan had horns and a tail. Some must have been ok as they stayed behind and married local women. They were not interfered with by any former enemies in the IRA. For example William Hill was only 16 when serving as a RIC Constable in Co.Cork and was well liked. You guessed it. He is the same William Hill that founded the bookmakers of the same name.
This is in my opinion a cleaned up version of the black and tans. My information to further from those volunteers featured here, when they ran out of volunteers they sought volunteers from prisons. (In Scotland too) The prisoners were offered their freedom on the conditions that they went to Ireland and beat the you know out of the irish. They readily excepted their freedom. Their were reports of rapes and other crimes. My pregnant great grand mother was hit across the face by a group of black and tans who had surrounded my grandmother, she was only 6 and seeking twigs to start their fire. She was a little over the curfew time (in Dublin city)
My great grandmother lost her baby that night.
There was no shortage of men for either the Black & Tans or Auxiliaries. That some were left out prison is an urban myth that still gathers traction today. I have reserached this conflict for over 20 years. By the way there was no Black & Tans deployed in Dublin City itself. The Crown Forces in the Irish metropolis were the DMP(Dublin Metropolitan Police),British Army and Auxiliaries.
@@johnroche7541 “urban myth” ? I seen an documentaries and interviews many years ago (and more recent ) on this subject and contrary to your “research” there was an offer put to prisoners. And as for no black and tans in Dublin, that’s how my grandmothers account related and described them to me. From a six year old point of view and being actually living through their occupation has more weight and creditability to me than second hand “research” years after the fact.
“The crown forces were british army and auxiliaries in Dublin” well we know that, and we just saw some being interviewed! Each told to halt the disruptions the irish were making to the system , at any cost. One b&t fellow here related that with glee.
@@lilliankeane5731 Thank you for your reply. I am an ex soldier but now I am a genealogist but military research is my forte. I have reserached the Irish War of Independence for over 20 years. I have been to the relevant archives in Dublin(Military Archives,Cathal Brugha Barracks) and National Archives at Kew,Surrey,UK. It is complete nonsense that there was prisoners let out of British prisons to join the notorious Black & Tans and Auxiliaries. A complete urban myth without any foundation. You state your grandmother lived through the occupation but by grandfather fought against that occupation. He served with the British Army in WW1 and literally fought against the British Army,RIC,Black & Tans and Auxiliaries in Co Kerry during the Irish War of Independence. When I watched these interviews I replied in the comment section because I was able to identify the IRA Volunteer at 2.56-3.04 as he was a comrade of my grandfather. His name is not given in these interviews. If you have the time I suggest you read my lengthy reply which establishes my pedigree.
@@johnroche7541 thank you for your reply, you are as i suspected. You say you have ‘researched’ but even you must surely know that not all facts are recorded for prosperity. So regardless of how long your researched for or where you researched … merely because you didn’t locate any evidence, didn’t mean it didn’t happen. I too had relatives that fought in ww1 for the british. Three great uncles (my grandmothers older brothers in fact)
Allow me the favour to inform you further of the circumstance of my great grand mother having a miscarriage.
She was attempting to protect her daughter from british forces who had surrounded her and was intimidatingly questioning her far too vigorously.
To the extent of pushing her around. Bearing in mind she was six years old. A child. She described them as black & tans. Fact.
An account not found in your “research” or recorded in military archives. But actually happened, you see?
My great grand mother lost her baby that night. These facts didn’t bear a mention from you. That’s sad.
I reiterate that british man did speak about sabotaging the Irish people of food etc with glee. Which presses my point further. Your grandfathers being a comrade of the man interviewed has no bearing on my grandmothers story.
As for your “pedigree” my advice stands for any subject, i suggest you never stop learning. Remain open minded, remember you don’t know everything. Arrogance and ignorance kill knowledge. Not all accounts / facts will be recorded. Bearing in mind, the tragic history I related here.
@@johnroche7541 basically telling you a 6yo can tell you the difference in the English soldiers
The new black and tans will be black and tan 🕊️❤️🙏☘️
Respect ☘️📚🙏 #Oneireland
Good 1
The Brits sent thousands of them
To Australia 🇦🇺
As convicts
One third of Aus were Irish
Ah, so that's why there was so much crime & neddish behaviour in Australia?
As those Irish helped steal land and eradicate aborígenes?
And what a great country they created ☘️
@@KeithWilliamMacHendry🤡🤡🤡🤡
@KeithWilliamMacHendry Britton is reposible for majority of the world's atrocities mate so that's rich😂😂
Its crazy how the brits there just dont care what they were doing
It doesn't matter what nationality you are. The psychopath will always be drawn to police/armed services in whatever guise that takes. Like moths to a lantern.
@@61js absolutely your certainly not wrong there
The resistance should never be labelled as terrorists! Relevant even today.
Lá neamhspleáchas sona duit 🎉🇮🇪🍻
(I hope that is correct).
What does it mean in English please?
It's a fascinating, but tragic topic. I have a foot in both camps, My maternal grandfather was from Doneraille and grew up in the Republican heartland. The family were close neighbours with the Eddery family. My paternal grandfather was an English WW1 veteran, a former Warrant Officer, who signed up for RIC service in Ireland He had an Irish Catholic wife. Something that was not pointed out in this documentary, was that there were a lot of Irish WW1 veterans in the Black & Tans too, both Catholic and Protestant. They were hard times and people needed the money. When independence was declared, my paternal grandfather transferred to the Free State Army, and found himself happily serving alongside former IRA men, who he described as fine soldiers. My maternal grandfather joined the Free State army, but was told to get out of Ireland by the IRA, as the Free State Army was quite keen on eradicating the IRA too, who, by that stage, had effectively won the war, but didn't want to stop fighting. He left Ireland and joined the British Army, where he served from the 20s in India through WW2.
As the great Flann O'Brien said, 'It is an insoluble pancake'
Nothing is quite as black and white (or tan) as some people make it out to be.
Brilliant comment. Not blk & wht.
The Black and Tans had very few Irishmen and if you exclude protestants it dwindles further.
@@johnnotrealname8168 So what? Does the fact Mick Collins was Protestant make ultimate Republic victory in the field any less worthy?
@@0w784g Are we on about the same guy? He was a Catholic.
@@johnnotrealname8168 Wrong. He was Anglican.
The original source of these interviews? I’ve seen them many times. It would be appropriate to acknowledge the source.
Thank you for sharing this video. Well done..Davy thanks for your education, Fenion sounds so disrespectful don't like the word ..
Black & tans were the worst kind of filith
Cold hard facts too numerous to mention
Appalling to see the glorification of murderers.
agree, look how the British celebrate war heros and ignore their crimes against humanity.
My mother was Irish and growing up she would often talk about the Tans Watching this video I’m beginning to understand
Google how many civilians the black and tans shot in Ireland? = 16 And then Google how many civilians the IRA shot over 200 shot in Cork alone .,
All you have to do is go through the records of the papers at both local and national level to see who killed who. 16? Are you for real? I would not want you to be my accountant. Google. You made me laugh. By the way are Fr Michael Griffin who was murdered in Co.Galway by the Auxiliaries( "D" Coy) in November 1920, 73 year old clergyman Canon Magner who was murdered by the Auxiliaries ( "K" Coy) with an innocent civilian at Dunmanway,Co Cork in December 1920, Fr James O' Callaghan who was murdered by the Black & Tans on 14th May 1921 in Cork City, Eileen Quinn in Co.Galway who was shot dead by Crown Forces outside her home in November 1920 and 7 year old Peter Goggin who was shot in Cork in April 1921 and died of wounds in May 1921 and the dozens and dozens of innocent Irish civilians killed by both the Black & Tans and Auxiliaries part of that figure of 16? That you quote Google says it all. Goodness me it is 2024 and this profound ignorance still exists. God help us.
@@johnroche7541 Thank you for this information my Grandmother and Grandfather parents were born in Cork surname Collins I’m very interested in finding out more about the history many thanks
@@johnroche7541 Google it sunshine all there for you ., very simple . All there .
I think you ll find that the auxiliaries and the black tans/ RIC are all different. units Even your accountant would know that. And yes, they did kill civilians, but a lot of people, they were blamed with killing were IRA members , and known to the RIC. Iam surprised at your ignorance myself ,there wasn't much difference between the iRA Cowards that they were fighting accept the IRA, killed more civilians ,and that's before we mention the executions of prisoners in the so called civil war .
Look at the state of both countries today , was it worth it!
and now we have the enemy within
The black and tans wore evil, the evil acts they done on the men infront of there wives and kids would make you cry, and as a cou tey times have moved on but people will never forget what they done
What about the Auxiliaries? Murdered two Catholic clergymen in cold blood. Fr Michael Griffin in Co.Galway in November 1920 and 73 year old Canon Thomas Magnier in Co.Cork in December 1920. The regular British Army committed war crimes as well. The Essex Regiment and South Staffordshire Regiment in Co Cork would earn a heinous reputation for torturing IRA prisoners as well as other regiments deployed in Co.Cork. The Royal Scots(Lothian Regiment) would earn a notorious reputation in Co.Clare. The Black & Tans also murdered Fr James O'Callaghan in Cork City on 14th May 1921. All elements of the Crown Forces committed heinous barbaric acts that would be recognised as war crimes and be recognised as such under a UN Charter today.
And the IRA were saints, is that what you're saying (in poor grammar)? At least the Black and Tans fought face to face, in broad daylight, unlike the cowardly terrorist tactics the IRA used. The bombing of innocent civilians in Warrington was pure evil, so don't try to make the Tans the villains here. 🇬🇧
@@cycleSCUBA they fucking were.... You have to remember if it wasn't for that lot there wouldn't be an IRA....
@@cycleSCUBA 🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪
@@cycleSCUBA Hundreds of the IRA like the Black & Tans were veterans of WW1. There was 5 IRA men that were decorated for bravery including a Victoria Cross recipient. The most successful IRA Field Commander was Tom Barry who served in the Middle East with the Royal Field Artillery during WW1..This documentary is about tbe Irish War of Independence 1919-1921 exclusively. The IRA victories of the Irish War of Independence were in "broad daylight". What are you on about? The Crown Forces murdered 3 Catholic clergymen during the conflict.. That is pure evil. Would you agree? Peter Goggin aged 7 was shot in a field in Co.Cork in April 1921 as he was counting cows for his father. He would die from his wounds the following month in May 1921. What do you think of that? The crimes of Black & Tans and Auxiliaries are well documented. Again this documentary is only concerned with the time frame 1919-1921.
Ireland for the irish! ✊🏻
Any good books someone could suggest on the era? Preferably from the Irish point of view?
For an overall view of the conflict I would recommend "The Irish War of Independence" by Michael Hopkinson. Also "The British Campaign in Ireland 1919-1921" by Charles Townsend. A couple of IRA men wrote memoirs about their experiences in the conflict which I would highly recommend.
Tom Barry "Guerilla Day's In Ireland".
Dan Breen "My Fight For Irish Freedom".
Ernie O'Malley "On Another Man's Wound".
There is also some good movies set during the turbulent time. The best would probably be "The Wind That Shakes The Barley" starring Cillian Murphy who has just been Oscar nominated for the movie "Offenheimer" and Liam Cunningham from "Game of Thrones" fame.
The movie "Michael Collins" is a good movie about the Revolutionary leader and stars Liam Neeson,Julia Robert's,Brendan Gleeson and Aidan Quinn.
There is a very good Black & white movie from the 1950's called "Shake Hands With The Devil" starring James Cagney.
Hope this is helpful.
My great grandparents were from Galway, they were loyal to the British crown, I believe my great grandfather was in the British army and moved to England after the revolution. Nothing is black & white, but very complexed.
Not really complex your relatives took the English crown money to suppress the rightful people in their own land. Simle
Not unusual for colluders to flee after backing the losing side. Tale as old as time.
@@catrionam2619 They were safe under Collins, but when the IRA killed him, they had to flee.
Many Irish served in the British Army and Navy. Most of Wellington's s close personal both in India and the Napoleonic Wars were Irish, both Protestant and Catholic. He always felt comfortable around his countrymen. My grandad's older brothers, all Donegal Catholics, died in the First World War fighting for Britain.
It's sad knowing Irish fought for freedom while other Irish became traitors and served British imperial terrorism around the world.
Tiocfaidh ár lá
Interesting video
Black and Tans recruited from British prisons
Don't talk such bollocks mate.
@@Imyourhuckleberry01 go look it up then
@@ronan8834 No, you give me the "verifiable references" that state that otherwise you are just repeating shit other clueless people like you just "believe", but that doesn't make true. References son, References, where are they?
@@Imyourhuckleberry01 I have studied and reserached the Irish War of Independence for over 20 years. I am an expert on this conflict. I dont care how pompous that sounds but that is the reality. All one has to do is see my replies in the comments to various people that confirm my pedigree. I have been to the Military Archives,Cathal Brugha Barracks,Dublin and to the National Archives,Kew,Surrey,UK. I have also visited Regimental Museums and libraries etc throughout the Republic of Irelabd and UK. That the Black & Tans were prisoners let out of jails is an urban myth that as you can see still gathers traction today. They were simply former soldiers who had gone through the worst conflict the world had seen up that date in human history. They certainly did not come back to a "country fit for heroes" as PM David Lloyd George promised but to unemployment and poverty. One can understand the financial incentive for these soldiers joining the RIC. However in Ireland they along with other elements of the Crown Forces committed war crimes and would be recognised as such by a UN Charter today. Not one historian either Irish or British such as T Ryle Dwyer,Padraig Og O Ruairc,David Leeson,Charles Townsend,Michael Hopkinson has ever made the erroneous claim that they were prisoners let out of jail.
@@johnroche7541 lol, All that just to say you agree with me, you great numpty!! Why do you think I said the guy was talking bollocks in his original comment? You are replying to the wrong person FFS. I'm glad you are an expert on Irish history, so what was Order 256 exactly?
Ireland’s got problems these days as well
I thought Michael Collins was Harry McGuire in the thumbnail.
william hill the bookmaker was in the tans.
Bollocks, he was in the RIC not the Tans.