Cartooning - Draftsmen S3E13
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- Опубликовано: 1 июн 2024
- Marshall sits with Stan to chat about the wonderful world of cartooning. They spend time defining what a cartoon is, looking at some of the history and cultural differences behind cartoons and spend time looking at work from some famous cartoon artists. You’ll also hear some of the skills an artist would need to hone in order to be a good cartoonist.
Time Codes
00:00 - Intro
02:08 - Draftsmen Mission Statement
03:09 - Cartooning
06:29 - Define Cartoon
21:29 - The Skills of a Cartoonist
26:12 - Drawing Lessons from Cartoonists
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Stan Prokopenko and Marshall Vandruff are art instructors. If you love the arts, particularly the craft of drawing and painting and image-making… and you want to level up your skills or even make a living with your skills, we are here to answer your questions. We’re here to offer you advice, refer you to our resources, share your love of the craft and maybe inspire you! Learn to Draw - www.proko.com Marshall Vandruff - www.marshallart.com. Subscribe to the podcast at bit.ly/DraftsmenPod
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Hosts - Stan Prokopenko (www.stanprokopenko.com), Marshall Vandruff (www.marshallart.com/)
Production Assistance - Alex Otis ( / alexotisillustration , Charlie Nicholson ( / shloogorgh )
Editing - Charlie Nicholson
Intro Animation - Cody Shank (codyshank.com/)
Intro Jingle - Tommy Rush ( / tommyrush )
Music Used with Permission Intro - The Freak Fandango Orchestra
What was your favorite cartoon to watch or read as a kid?
I watched every single one on the tv. I wake up early just to watch them. I still do now and my new favorite is rick and morty and amazing world of gumball.
Old Looney Tunes ie...Robinhood Daffy, Whats Opera Doc? etc...Chuck Jones! also Ren and Stimpy because it is so weird... :D Now, Adventure Time. Calvin and Hobbs so timeless! LOVE those, thanks for reminding me of them!!
I'm way behind on these episodes! (Agh! Anyway...smh...) 😭🤭
Edit: Calvin & Hobbes! I was basically little Calvin growing up. Calvin embodied a child living their best childhood through adventure and imagination. And like any kid, I often needed the escapism. (Especially during boring classes!)
I grew up on The Simpsons or Batman The Animated Series. Wild Cats, TMNT, X-Men, The Super Mario Show, Sonic The Hedgehog. I loved the 90s and early 2000s cartoon scene.
Does anime count? Tom and Jerry, Spider-man, Naruto
The Simpsons, Rick and morty etc...
Bless who ever makes the thumbnails 🤣
Praise be to Alex who does all the thumbnails!
The thumbnails are always amazing
Ikr
I'd like to share a personal favorite cartoonist of japan. The late Mizuki Shigeru, he's a manga author, but his style leans more towards cartooning than your typical japanese styles. But what the draw is for his style is the simplified characters being placed on an extremely detailed and rendered backgrounds in ink, the contrast between the two really allows his characters to pop out while being reasonably grounded. There are many authors who were influenced by him but the one shines brightest in the industry right now and that's Asano Inio. He's adopted Mizuki's character design and really brought it back to the modern landscape.
Osamu tezuka have cartoon style to. And he one of the person that made manga famous outside japan.
I hope they talk about japanese manga.
They should read some manga by Urasawa, his simplification is amazing and of course his stories are masterpieces. They aren't for children though. The best ones are Monster and 20th century boys
You are SO right. Urasawa is truly a master of comics and cartooning. His ability to draw in a way that is simplified and stylized while FEELING realistic is unmatched. It's sometimes sickening to hear them talk about the same ten artists over and over again. I really don't comprehend how you have a conversation about cartooning in 2021 without discussing japanese manga and korean manwha. It's really tiring bc young artists all over the world show OBVIOUS influence from manga and manwha. It's sickening to see those artists continue to be dismissed. It's such a joke that I can't even take this episode seriously.
I love Urasawa, mainly for his show Manben. And since I favor high fantasy his works aren't too appealing but one thing that makes me read them is his art style for sure
@@snakeysstyle783 have you seen that Urasawa has a youtube channel now?! Its kinda funny watching him try to do youtube
@@ari_isdrawing4293 No, I haven’t sounds cool. I’ll definitely check it out!
man people have been asking for mangaka on here for a long time. proko seems to lean more fine arts. wish he'd expand more for the audience.
"The Hunter" by Darwyne Cooke is a perfect blend of raw cartooning and Graphic design I have ever seen. a very polorizing style but it fits the story he is adapting perfectly. best graphic novel I've ever read
I loved this episode. I’m a caricaturist and graphic designer. I was in love with cartoons as long as I can remember. I began drawing cartoons since I was 15 but I left it until now that I am 35.
So So many cartoonist to enjoy. Some of my favorites eiichiro oda, naoki urasawa, yoshihiro togashi, Akira toriyama, jack davis, hank ketchum, dr seuss, t.s. Sullivant, ken Anderson, Andre Franquin, Quentin Blake , Tove Jansson, Ronald Searle, Franco Mattachio, Bruce Timm, sempe, Charles Addams, William Steig, Victor Chizhikov, Georges Beuville, Herluf bidstrup, Gluyas Williams , Richard Thompson, Norman Thelwell, Jeff Macnelly, Daniel clowes , Ernie Bushmiller, Gary Larson,
the thing about draftsmen podcast that makes it so interesting for me is not just the knowledge that proko and marshall offers, but also their enthusiasm in sharing their knowledge while also enjoying themselves. i love all the episodes of draftsmen and hope it never stops. i could spend hours listening to both of them just talking about art, absolutely enjoying themselves which also makes me enjoy. last episode, they said you have to have something that makes your brain go into a state of flow when drawing, and mine is proko podcasts. the moment i start watching the podcast on yt or on spotify, i go into work mode and enjoy what im practicing. this podcast made learning very enjoyable for me, despite the fact that i make mistakes sometimes when drawing, i still enjoy it. this podcast is a gem, i'm glad to have discovered it. you guys are one of my all time favorite artists. i love you all!
Love to hear you guys talk about Japanese Manga at some point, like Takehiko Inoue or Kentaro Miura! They are incredible draftsmen and storytellers that Im sure the both of you can appreciate.
Gary Larson is my all time favourite cartoonist. Laughed my head off 20 something years ago when I first saw The Far Side. And still cracks me up now! Genius!
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Thanks, Draftsmen, for this episode. Cartoons introduced me to art. I grew up in the 70s with looney tunes, magical world of disney, tom and jerry, popeye. My grandfather was an electronics engineer and knew about drafting. He was the first person to show me how to make a simple glass box by connecting lines. It blew my mind.
I also grew up with scholastic dynamite magazines that showed me Mad Magazine. Also isometric art.
I bought recently the Animators Survivor Guide for iPad. Very Good. And I've been watching Rowser World, on RUclips, for caricatures. Sunday morning newspaper cartoons were the best!!!!
Many are hoping for manga but there are so many interesting European comic book artists like example Marc-Antoine Mathieu, Enki Bilal, Hugo Pratt, Winshluss and so many others, hope to see something about that scene
Berkeley Breathed’s Bloom County and Gary Trudeau’s Doonesbury. Also Richard Scarry.
Marshal must do a cartooning course on proko
Growing up in three 1980s my three favorite newspaper/magazine cartoonists were Berkley Breathed, Gary Larson, and Bill Watterson. As I've grown older I've come to appreciate the cartoonists of the early 20th century. I often conflate the work of comic strip artists with comic book artists. I guess they're all cartoonists. However, I've always found the the more realistic visual styles of artists like Alex Raymond, Hal Foster, Al Williamson, Neal Adams, etc. to be the most visually alluring. Also, I like seeing the evolution of "schools" of cartooning (ex. Raymond leads to Williamson, Adams leads to Sienkiewicz, Canniff leads to Kirby who leads to dozens of superhero artist that followed him after the 1960s). Where does one draw the line between cartooning stylization and artwork that begins to look to realistic? Where do we put someone like Neal Adams or Alex Raymond who not only draw little foot, but draw it with great attention to human anatomy, perspective, realistic/practical lighting, etc.?
I really love cartooning as an artform, this is episode is so rewatchable!!!!!;
I actually love this episode because of how fun it was to hear Marshall geek out on cartooning. I can feel more passion with this episode than the others. I don't mind it not being immediately helpful but it was certainly very entertaining. Great stuff! I hope we get more episodes like this in the future.
Stephen Silver’s book “The Silver Way” was a game changer for me. It’s a phenomenal book for entry level artists but also for intermediate artists looking to up their game. Sooooo good!
I second this. You get so much information in just the first 30 or so pages it's incredible.
I think marshall should check out early internet animation, before youtube there was a huge flux of cartoons made by independent animators on newgrounds (kinda considered the golden age of internet animation). Would love to see his take on that
Marshall you should take a look at some manga artists you'd love their ink work
Please do more episodes about cartooning. I think a well drawn cartoon/comic is skilled draftsmanship on overdrive. Clarity of line is not easy. Just look at Calvin and Hobbes.
Many great names mentioned in this episode. Among those not brought up are:
Alex Toth, who drew influence from the realistic cartoonists like Noel Sickles and Alex Raymond and Milton Caniff but went further into simplicity. His way with composition and line is astounding from when he hit his stride in the mid-'50s onward.
Mike Mignola, most famous for creating Hellboy - Mignola's way with shapes and lighting is extraordinary.
Dino Battaglia - an Italian cartoonist whose work hasn't been translated into English, so he's less famous here in the US - his work in and around the '70s is evocative and unique.
Also Hugo Pratt, Sergio Toppi, Eleanor Davis, Lewis Trondheim, Tillie Walden, and tons of manga creators like Taiyo Matsumoto, Yoshiharu Tsuge, Katsuhiro Otomo... If you want simplicity, go to Osamu Tezuka!
41:46 This was named in Spanish "beto el recluta" or so, when I was a kid I used to read the comic section from the Sunday's newspaper , my family was poor and we didn't have a TV so we usually fought for reading the newspaper :D
Can we give some credit to Charlie, this ep must've taken a while to edit
18:50 German people here, I red the „Struwwelpeter“ as a kid. Crazy that marshall knows all this stuff about different cultures, I’m always surprised when someone’s mentioned germany anyways. I think I even had this book in primary school (I’m 23 between). Keep the great stuff up draftsman!
yeah, I am from germany too and we red Struwwelpeter and all this other brutal and creepy stuff, like "Suppenkasper" (I dont know how to translate that correctly, but "Suppe" means soup. It is a Child who starved to deat because it wont eat his soup... oh man.
I could listen to Marshall talk about Cartooning for hours, and hours.
I don't believe I had heard the "Draftsmen Podcast" mission statement before however, the fundamental ideals expressed in that paragraph are precisely the reasons that I tune in and exactly what I get out of investing my time in listening/watching it every week. Thank you, Marshall and Stan, for all the great work and your dedication to the Craft as a whole.
Nu Pogodi was very popular in Vietnam. Every child growing up in the 90 or early 2000 definitely knows it!
Most of the artists I've studied are from 1800's and Pre-Raphaelites but this episode brought me so much enthusiasm with the art and how cartoonists simplify things that I'll definitely give a look to all the books and artists mentioned (and more, of course). Really excited about next episode :)
Esse ep foi bom mesmo mano
I absolutely love Calvin and Hobbes! I'm a '02 baby but I had the Yukon Ho! book and I'd read it over and over again. Now I'm so happy I'm able to get more both online and from the library.
love the chemistry between you and marshal
always have me laughing Lol
My favorite cartoonist is actuallyoctopi on Instagram. She makes a webcomic called puppeteer. Her style is quite simple and visually appealing but what makes her stand out is her use and mastery over color. Every panel has a distinct and limited pallet and every page coherent and beautiful in it's scheme. She uses color to further convey emotion in a scene and the state of mind of the characters.
Marshall mentioning Edward Gorey made my day! 😊
This is actually a brilliant topic and it feels like you were just getting started. I hope there's a part 2!
And hey, a whole episode on Bill Watterson wouldn't hurt ;)
There are so, so many great cartoonists! Among my favorites are Ronald Searle, Quino and Sempe, both for their beautiful art and their unique voice and opinions about the society they are a part of.
One of the best episodes! Thanks!
This episode made me smile :) thank you draftsmen
Thank you guys...i have improved so much since i discovered your casts!
I grew up learning to read and reading the work of Norman Thelwell - especially liked 'Angels on Horseback' and 'A Leg at Each Corner'. Still have those books. Love cartoons - thanks for all the 'good stuff' you both offer to the world.
I love "How to think when you draw volume 1' but's frustrating how hard it is to access a physical copy. I wish there were single copies available on amazon instead of backing their Kickstarter for all 4 books.
I might be wrong, If anyone knows where to get one a link would be greatly appreciated.
Great episode btw. Would love to hear amore on this subject on future "DraftCasts" ;D
Fantastic episode, feeling inspired! I'd definitely tune in for another year of Marshall geeking out over cartoons and comic books!
It's all a blessing day to get a new episode from Draftmen
I always appreciate the effort that is put into these RUclips videos. So many podcasts simply upload their audio here to put their content on another platform, but y’all always add video and images that really change the experience of the audio.
I can't believe they leave manga and anime out aaaaaaaaa
Dude manga is basically japanese comics so it doesn't matter
they always do despite people asking for interviews with mangakas
yet plenty of american artists [on insta and yt] seems to be working in style which is obviously inspired from manga and anime.
I’m halfway through the episode and was waiting to see something about mangas. I’m disappointed that they ignored it. Mangas are extremely influential to a lot of modern cartoonists and even fine artists.
After watching this video I am now ready to start my life as a cartoonist! time to become a cartooning addict!
Love this conversation, wish you guys would expand on this alot :)
Great episode. A series on cartoonists and cartoon illustrators would be wonderful.
This is a awesome podcast! Not only are you guys engaging, it's exciting and we just learn so much from it!
I began with Christopher hart and jack hamm books . This books and cartoonist marshal introduced bring back memories.
I love For Better or For Worse. The drawing is wonderful.
Fantasia has always been incredibly charming to me - my major art introduction was through Spanish class, and I shouldn't have been shocked to later find out Disney and Dali maintained a close friendship even after Dali's original sketches were deemed "too dark" for Disney. Seeing the cel painting process at Disney certainly nudged me in a draftsman kind of direction. But I came here to ask if Ralph Steadman was mentioned? I was gifted his Untrodden Grapes book sometime after college before moving out to California. I don't know what was juicier - the wines he was exploring or the inkiness of his imagery. Gorgeous work.
Nupageti finally, Im froom Iran and I watched this cartoon my whole childhood and didn’t know the name, gor years were looking for it. Thanks Stan
Wow I am early this time :D!! This is my fav podcast you guys! Keep it up forever please! Would love an episode about landscapes/composition in detail
JUST CARTOONS! that wil be the whole new thing! NINE MORE SEASONS OF JUST CARTOONS! NINE MORE SEASONS!
Fantastic episode! 👌🏻
Great episode guys! As a Swede I grew up with a lot of the Belgian cartoonists and Jean-Richard Geurts AKA Janry is one of my favourites. When it comes to Swedish cartoonists Jan Lööf has a really cool vintage style if you're into that sort of style.
I just love listening to things people are passionate about so muchh, and Marshall clearly loves his cartoons 😌
Love your podcasts! I always listen them while drawing! I have known few modern cartoonist but my memory fade away unfortunately . There is one i do remember: The Realist, you can find him on Facebook mostly. He uses himself as a icon for every theme: political, racial, art in general etc.
As a kid i watched bunch of cartoons, especially European ones : Pat a Mat, Ernest Le Vampire, along with other stuff from Cartoon network and Nickelodeon. Today i still read Garfield as my fav comic and big inspiration to draw in that style. Keep up with amazing work guys!
HEY!!
I'm from Iran and they used to show Nu Pogodi on TV when I was a kid.
loved it too.
I always enjoyed the adventures or tintin by herge and asterix and obelix by renè Goscinny and Albert Udzero aswell as some, although in recent years I've feel in love with a crap ton of lesser know artist from all over the internet.
Yes! Good stuff
Just signed up for my first proko course, I'm so excited to start!
Frank Cho [Liberty Meadows]; Mort Walker; Todd McFarlane [Spawn]; Sam Keith [The Maxx]; are my favorites - 'nuff said.
My favorite graphic novel of all time was by the cartoonist Craig Thompson named “Blankets”. He has a style similar to that of the old cartoons you would normally see in the Sunday funnies( which where he got most of his inspiration and style from) and uses it for a long and in depth autobiography about his life as a kid and teen in rural Wisconsin growing in a fundamentalist Christian community. He tackles his relationship with his parents, brother, the first time he felt immense love, his religious experiences, etc. It’s honestly very endearing and personal and I think it’s something that Marshall in particular would have a lot of interest in!
Bless you for this episode ....from a Cartoonerama graduate.
How did i miss this episode? It's one of the best.
Tbm mano,demorei pra ver,muito bom mesmo!
hopefully there will be more on cartooning, comics and similar
Gaston Lagaffe by André Franquin. And as a kid I also used to read Lucky Luke and Asterix & Obelix a lot.
My favorites are Bill Watterson, Richard Thompson, and Charles Addams. Also, Heinrich Hoffmann makes me think of Dwight Schrute reading Struwwelpeter on "take your child to work day"
I lean a lot towards Luke McKay (RT Comics) , Alex Ahad (He designed the characters for Skullgirls and Indivisible), Russel del Socorro (look up russelldels on instagram) and (as Stan mentioned) Max Grecke.
Marshall is on fire in this episode
The Artist/ Illustrator Maurice Sendak, known most for 'Where the Wild Things Are' is another underappreciated 'cartoonist'. The titles, 'The Big Green Book' and 'A Hole is to Dig' are two fantastic examples of his work that are by far a much better representation of his skill than the illustrations in 'WTWTA'. Both showcase that deceptively approachable feel that upon first look seems easily reproducible, but when you put ink to page, the lifetime of 'pen-instincts' that you don't have becomes very apparent.
Also, I spotted some Moebius (Jean Giraud) images when the Euro-Artists were mentioned, and it reminded me of Stefano Tamburini and Tanino Liberatore, the creators of the Italian science fiction graphic novel series RanXerox; which if anything is an underappreciated bit of I.P. that's just dripping with coolness.
This episode flew fast, didnt noticed the time passing by.
Loved this episode. In case anyone's looking for more modern recs, XKCD, Sarah Andersen, and Oglaf (NSFW) are delightful.
I'd love it if this episode's thumbnail was available in print or something!!!
I remenber being so hyped as a kid just because I was about to watch Ren and Stimpy or The simpsons.
And if we are talking about comics, my first steps into the comic industry were along Mafalda and Condorito comic strips.
Book recommendations - what about Understanding Comics by Scott McCloud and Drawn to life
Fun fact for Marshall: the classic character actor, Peter Lorre, took that stage name because people said he looked like Struwwelpeter. 😂
There's an artist with the most mocking style I've ever seen, he's called "Leonardo Amaral" also known as "Peixe Aquático" and he has an animation channel here on RUclips called "Rabisco"
Is there a talk about comic art in this? As I noticed there isn’t a comic draftsmanship podcast yet and comic artists are awesome at cartooning imo
Favorite hard to say Mort Drucker who I just discovered. And I agree the European artist are amazing. I find myself wanting to study them more.
Maybe see if you could get some big name cartoonist on, like you did with James Gurney.
Also, a live artist in the cartooning vein would be a good caricature artist, like tom richmond.
There was an old man at a festival I set up at who did Animalgrams. Children would tell him their name and a favorite animal and he would take the initial and make it into the animal, and complete the scene. Usually took him 2 to 3 min. He would color the picture with markers.
I used to airbrush at street fairs and festivals, hence the reason I am fascinated by live drawn art. I found my bread and butter was simple and fast designs that popped. Good lettering was a must. Most pictures were either cartoons, or silouttes on a scenic background.
So much to be said regarding cartoons. Some recommend resources that I've yet to see in the comments:
Will Eisner s "Comics and Sequential Art"
Mike Mignola's Hellboy series (particularly the artist edition Hellboy in Hell and other stories. Currently doing a master study on it right now.)
Stray Bullets by David Lapham
And shout out to CartoonistKayFabe RUclips channel creators Ed Piskor (Hip hop family tree, X-Men Grand Design) Jim Rugg (Street Angels, Hulk Grand Design) and Tom Scioli (Jack Kirby King of Comics, Fantastic four Grand Design).
This RUclips channel is a tremendous source of knowledge for cartoonist.
Thank you for all the amazing knowledge.
R.K. Laxman and Mario Miranda are my favorite famous Indian cartoonist.
I used to be all about realism but recently learned to appreciate cartoons.
do more cartoon eps! DO IT!
Please do an episode on Animation, past, and present.
Do you like Drawn to Life I & II as resources for cartoonists?
I'm german and I HAD THAT BOOk as a kid. Didnt traumatize me nearly enough because I still did stupid things as a child haha... but yes, looking back we had some WILD kids stories. You could adapt any of these into a horror flick
Me, too. I still love the Daumenlutscher. So funny xD
These artbooks referenced are on internet archive for free
I think things that elicit a laughter or chuckle reaction from people are those that go against our assumptions. Think of a kid who says incredulously, "THAT is not a cat!" when I show him a drawing of a parakeet and tell him it is a cat. Internally, we see cartoon representations and have a little reaction like that. A good-humored person will be comfortable with having their assumption challenged, so instead of getting incredulous and sour, they laugh and derive a great deal of joy from getting a glimpse at absurdity.
I think ever German kid knows it... I certainly do.
Never believed any of it, but I found the shock value very exiting back then.
I think a show on comic books would be great.
"Lets take the most simplified drawing"
Me: Stick figures?
"Smiley faces"
They read that Strewelll peter German book on "The Office"
Stan must have a big mirror or he can only see glimpses of himself through that mission statement sentence.
Sergio Toppi!!!
I would love an episode about animation and how it is generally treated as children's "media" in western countries
Check out "Blacksad", by artist Juanjo Guarnido, and writer Juan Diaz Canales!
from Cartoon network: Courage the cowardly dog (my favorite), Powerpuff Girls, Dexter
Ducktales - the old series (also Don Rosa's Uncle Scrooge stories)
Sharky et Georges, french movie about police sharks :D
Babar!!! :)