Funny enough, if daenerys had followed on Olennas advice, she might have preserved all her allies, dragons, and would impose more of a figure of power, dominance and could've preserved all she held dear while ruling westeros effectively
@@iCODE. eeeh probably not. Dany burnt down KL out of rage and frustration over losing everyone she loved/trusted. Had she attacked when Olenna advised, she most likely would have just targeted the red keep. She’d still have all her dragons, counselors, allies, and body guards like Mormont. Jon would have killed way more ppl in his attack on Winterfell so he would have understood, and if not, he’d die trying to get to her. 😂😂😂
@@fghjgfjgfhjgfh And he'd fail doing so. She has 3 Dragons and she wouldn't bother to hear Jon's reasons, if he were her enemy. So in reality, HE needs HER. Haha
Yeah probably not. She wouldve just burnt everything and everyone to the ground earlier. Olenna didn’t care at all at this time. She was happy to watch the world burn.
Aegon the Conqueror offered 2 things when he was conquering Westeros, it was to bend the knee or to burn, the thing is dragons back then wasnt only a mode of transportation but tue frontline of the fight. Aegon knows how to be civil with the Westerosi people and adopted their ways to make them believe that he is the rightful leader for Westeros. The sad thing about Daenerys and her dragons is they never reached the full potential they could've reach. With 3 full grown dragons they could make them bow anytime without those clever ass plans.
She shouldn't have chained or locked them up, but let them fly freely and fed them plenty, which is the source to dragons growing bigger and reaching their full potentials.
More so the red keep and not the whole city. Cersei’s demise is the only thing Olenna wanted, and had Dany listened Euron wouldn’t have bs killed Rhaegal.
@@vee9043 I am not saying she shouldn’t have attacked them. She def should have. But what I meant was that Olenna really just wanted them burned down she didn’t care who daenerys was or if she was gonna be on the throne
@@jon2312 I don't think that ultimately matters, she didn't want Cersei on the throne. She knew how vile Cersei is and how terrible of a leader she is, making enemies everywhere she goes, very short sighted, blinded by her emotions
I still wish Daenerys had enacted a formal marriage alliance with Jon as her king-consort as soon as it became clear they were interested in each other - formalize it, unite the kingdoms (and eventual competing Targaryen claims) with the clause of Sansa (and Sansa’ or other younger sibling’s heirs to inherit) as Lady Paramount of the North. And I know that seems a little off topic from this video, but what I mean is kind of what Olenna is saying : be an active ruler, make every move with a ruler’s intentions, and don’t be swayed by Westerosi rules of engagement.
Honestly I feel like fans hated Daenerys for refusing Northern independence because for most of the show the north fought hard to gain it. But if you were to step into Danny's shoes as an outsider it would look really bad for a leader to grant one kingdom independence while the rest bent their knee and yielded her as their queen. It paints a brush of favoritism and Danny would have to deal with uprisings and lack of faith in her leadership constantly.
The Olenna haters say how she failed to mention how she lost to Cersei... That's exactly why her advice is the most valuable of all here. She knows first hand how clever and ruthless Cersei is while everyone else is underestimating her. Tyrion didn't really fully get to witness it before he ran away. Tywin was still the mastermind up until Tyrion killed him and immediately fled.
no people are pissed cuz the quality of the show went downhill the last few seasons. the ending is only bad cuz it feels rushed and theres no character development.
@@jessmith7324 yeah personally idm that she turned out to be as mad as her father and that she had to die for the good of the realm. It was GRRM's ending after all even though he hasn't released the last 2 books yet. The issue I have is the way the show executed it; was lacking especially compared to how good the first 4 seasons were.
Hmmm, first wrong advice that the Queen of Thorn gave to anyone... she should have said...’dragons are a girls best friend, but you my dear, needs to get laid..’....😂😂😂
What do You mean if she had heard her advise she would have attacked Kings landing burned it to the Ground and wouldent have lost the tyrells and if she just sended one dragon to protect the martel greyjoy fleet euron greyjoy Will be dead so what the fuck are You talking about
It actually was good advice, just not at the time Dany used it 😭 Had she been more forceful in her approach with Cersei WAYYYYYY sooner, she wouldn't have lost her allies or dragons & she also would not have burned innocent people. She also could have used all of Cersei's forces against the Wights, which would have helped considering she didn't have their help & the battle was difficult. So many people from the North died, the Dothraki, etc bc they just didn't have the numbers or the manpower. I'm sure a lot of her rage towards the end was that she listened to people who told her to hold back & it cost her soooo much. Eventually she just snapped & said no more holding back. You can't hold that kind of rage in, she should have been more tactical rather than reserved. Aegon the conqueror would not have handled things the way Tyrion & Varys were telling her to, he would have been assertive, aggressive even. She decided to play a role so people would like her, not realizing that saving Westeros would make people like her! They may have hated her at first, but if you save people they're generally inclined to feel gratitude towards you. I'd rather be a ruthless dragon & save people than be a sheep, only to lose everything & then go mad.
@blacklight4845 she's telling her to attack kings landing, of course she's attacking innocent people, she's been threatening people with her dragons since they could breathe fire she's literally no different than the mad king
Olenna is clever? Shall I remind you what happened to her son, her granddaughter and her grandson? And before what happened to them, they were imprisoned, and the same was going to happen to Olenna if she didn't leave. Olenna thinks she is so clever but they screwed up with Renly, they screwed up with Joffrey and they screwed up with Tommen. Is funny how women think they are so smart in this serie and is always proven wrong.
@@brbr9558 She screwed up by not advising her grandaughter to be civil to Cersei. If Margaery had just been a decent person instead of laughing of Cersei with her handmaidens and trying to get her sent to Casterly Rock, then the Tyrells would have still been in power, together with the Lannisters. It was dumb to want too much. Olenna should have advised Margaery better
@@mattteomatei3610 are you high? renly was not a screw up, he would have easily won the war but died because of blood magic which literally nobody could have predicted. joffrey was impossible to control so the tyrells killed him and weren't even suspected to be behind it in the slightest, and margaery had tommen wrapped around her finger the only reason the tyrells lost was because cersei basically did the westeros equivalent of nuking the vatican, which realistically was a braindead move that should have gotten her deposed within a week. only reason she even kept the throne is because the thousands upon thousands of members of the faith militant kinda forgot they existed and the tyrell army that's been completely untouched the past 5 seasons kinda forgot they outnumbered the lannister army 10:1
Bro what? Renly wasn’t a screwup. Cocky yes, but not stupid. He died from weird blood magic, something only sorcerers would know of. And the only reason Cersei “won” is because the internal logic of the universe was broken and ignored. Remember when Joffrey executed Ned Stark and the country descended into war? Thats what should have happened to Cersei, her being executed for high treason and mass murder, on top of the other crimes the Faith had against her. But the morons writing the show kinda forgot that the Faith were popular with thousands of followers in Kings Landing that would want Cersei dead for killing their savior in the High Sparrow, and also for killing a beloved Queen in Margaery.
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Olenna should have been Hand of the Queen.
Oh, 100%!!!
in my happy ever after version, she was and is.
Tyrion stopped drinking, so obviously he did lose his works.
That would’ve been the most badass thing ever. Dany, Olenna, the Sandsnakes and all the ladies united against Cersei
@@leylarustamovaunited under Cersei.
Funny enough, if daenerys had followed on Olennas advice, she might have preserved all her allies, dragons, and would impose more of a figure of power, dominance and could've preserved all she held dear while ruling westeros effectively
@@iCODE. eeeh probably not. Dany burnt down KL out of rage and frustration over losing everyone she loved/trusted. Had she attacked when Olenna advised, she most likely would have just targeted the red keep. She’d still have all her dragons, counselors, allies, and body guards like Mormont.
Jon would have killed way more ppl in his attack on Winterfell so he would have understood, and if not, he’d die trying to get to her. 😂😂😂
@@fghjgfjgfhjgfh And he'd fail doing so. She has 3 Dragons and she wouldn't bother to hear Jon's reasons, if he were her enemy. So in reality, HE needs HER. Haha
@@iCODE.nope
Yeah probably not. She wouldve just burnt everything and everyone to the ground earlier. Olenna didn’t care at all at this time. She was happy to watch the world burn.
"You are a Dragon, Be a DRAGON"
bE a DrAgOn
Worst advice she could have given . You all praise them cause they were women.
Thirsty for blood, got what they deserved
Aegon the Conqueror offered 2 things when he was conquering Westeros, it was to bend the knee or to burn, the thing is dragons back then wasnt only a mode of transportation but tue frontline of the fight. Aegon knows how to be civil with the Westerosi people and adopted their ways to make them believe that he is the rightful leader for Westeros. The sad thing about Daenerys and her dragons is they never reached the full potential they could've reach. With 3 full grown dragons they could make them bow anytime without those clever ass plans.
She shouldn't have chained or locked them up, but let them fly freely and fed them plenty, which is the source to dragons growing bigger and reaching their full potentials.
The last smile daenerys has on her face after she heard "be a dragon". *Chef's kiss*
If only she didn't listen to tyrion
She should've listened to lady olenna
Yep that fucking imp 😂. Writers also made him a fucking idiot
Tyrion stopped drinking, that totally maimed his mental prowess.
But Tyrion was right if you look at it objectively and not from Daenerys'' perspective. Olenna was blood thirsty after her fam died
Now that's how you ace a job interview.
If Dany had made her her hand she would have been queen in this season
Evil doesn't win, even if they are women and you think feminism rules
"He's a clever man, your hand..... but then again, we're in season 7 now so who know's what the hell he's thinking."
If Tyrion were truly smart i.e. if his character was handled by competent writers , he'd make different decisions.
"be a dragon aka kill my enemy at any cost, i dont care for the citizens, fuck em. i want vengeance!"
As if Tywin or Olenna cared about the cotizens either lmao. If they had a dragon, theyd done the same and no better than the Targeryans
People are saying this is good advice, but Olenna wanted kings landing burned down more than daenerys did. Of course she would say this lol
That’s why this was a good advice…
More so the red keep and not the whole city. Cersei’s demise is the only thing Olenna wanted, and had Dany listened Euron wouldn’t have bs killed Rhaegal.
Had she took this advice and attacked Kings Landing first she would have had all of Westeros, Missandei, and kept all 3 of her dragons.
@@vee9043 I am not saying she shouldn’t have attacked them. She def should have. But what I meant was that Olenna really just wanted them burned down she didn’t care who daenerys was or if she was gonna be on the throne
@@jon2312 I don't think that ultimately matters, she didn't want Cersei on the throne. She knew how vile Cersei is and how terrible of a leader she is, making enemies everywhere she goes, very short sighted, blinded by her emotions
and wouldn't you know, she was right to say Danny should ignore Tyrion on these matters.
I don't think when Lady Olenna said "Be a Dragon" she meant "Do a war crimes"....
Are you sure? It sounded that way to me. Dragons are not known for using their breath of fire for peaceful recreation.
We miss you Olenna
Always listen to the wisdom.
Elders and survivors.
This was not wisdom. She was hungry for vengeance on her family. Evil women
I still wish Daenerys had enacted a formal marriage alliance with Jon as her king-consort as soon as it became clear they were interested in each other - formalize it, unite the kingdoms (and eventual competing Targaryen claims) with the clause of Sansa (and Sansa’ or other younger sibling’s heirs to inherit) as Lady Paramount of the North.
And I know that seems a little off topic from this video, but what I mean is kind of what Olenna is saying : be an active ruler, make every move with a ruler’s intentions, and don’t be swayed by Westerosi rules of engagement.
Honestly I feel like fans hated Daenerys for refusing Northern independence because for most of the show the north fought hard to gain it. But if you were to step into Danny's shoes as an outsider it would look really bad for a leader to grant one kingdom independence while the rest bent their knee and yielded her as their queen. It paints a brush of favoritism and Danny would have to deal with uprisings and lack of faith in her leadership constantly.
Lady Olleana should be the Hand
Lol Olenna knew what she was doing with that dragon statement 🤣🤣🤣 this is why kings landing is the way it is today 🐉🔥🐉🔥
Yeah, that worked out well for her.
Lady Olenna - "Be a Dragon!"
Daenerys - "OK!" *jumps on a dragon and proceeds to reduce King's Landing to ashes*
Lady Olenna - *smh*
Too late tho
She forgot to tell her how her own clever plans destroyed her entire house.
How right lady Olenna was, Oh boy ! Dany should have listened to her and the outcome would have came much easier !
Olenna is the one who burned kings landing 😮
the ending " It doesn't feel right" well cause the breaker of the chain is gone! ughhhhhh MEN...
Huh
You mean the MAKER of chains lol its "do it my way or be burned by my dragon" lol
The Olenna haters say how she failed to mention how she lost to Cersei... That's exactly why her advice is the most valuable of all here. She knows first hand how clever and ruthless Cersei is while everyone else is underestimating her. Tyrion didn't really fully get to witness it before he ran away. Tywin was still the mastermind up until Tyrion killed him and immediately fled.
I totally forgot that Olenna met Daenerys
@0:44 sweet jesus she is beautiful
When all she had to do was burn the red keep or burn a hole through their gates and pour through. As if starving them would be more humane…
"Are you a sheep? No. You're a dragon. Be a dragon." That is exactly what happened. She became a dragon.
No. Actually, she became a mad woman. If she had heard Olenna before she lost everything, thing would have been different.
To be fair... Olenna is a hell of a lot smarter than Daenerys. She can afford to ignore clever men.
Soooo she decides to be a dragon and all the fans got pissed? lol
no people are pissed cuz the quality of the show went downhill the last few seasons. the ending is only bad cuz it feels rushed and theres no character development.
@@daedricprince9446 symbolized by her going dragon on kings landing lol
@@jessmith7324 yeah personally idm that she turned out to be as mad as her father and that she had to die for the good of the realm. It was GRRM's ending after all even though he hasn't released the last 2 books yet. The issue I have is the way the show executed it; was lacking especially compared to how good the first 4 seasons were.
Then may I ask? Who's the sheppard?
#YaraWasRight
So Olenna is the cause of Deanarys final mistakes?
When u wish it was deamon in game of thrones 😭😭😭😭
Hmmm, first wrong advice that the Queen of Thorn gave to anyone... she should have said...’dragons are a girls best friend, but you my dear, needs to get laid..’....😂😂😂
Worst advise ever 😒😒
Ciné SériesDeal she has dragons, she should use them...that’s the best advice and the logical advice. It’s war. Deal with it.
What do You mean if she had heard her advise she would have attacked Kings landing burned it to the Ground and wouldent have lost the tyrells and if she just sended one dragon to protect the martel greyjoy fleet euron greyjoy Will be dead so what the fuck are You talking about
not that olenna cared at this point
It actually was good advice, just not at the time Dany used it 😭 Had she been more forceful in her approach with Cersei WAYYYYYY sooner, she wouldn't have lost her allies or dragons & she also would not have burned innocent people. She also could have used all of Cersei's forces against the Wights, which would have helped considering she didn't have their help & the battle was difficult. So many people from the North died, the Dothraki, etc bc they just didn't have the numbers or the manpower. I'm sure a lot of her rage towards the end was that she listened to people who told her to hold back & it cost her soooo much. Eventually she just snapped & said no more holding back. You can't hold that kind of rage in, she should have been more tactical rather than reserved. Aegon the conqueror would not have handled things the way Tyrion & Varys were telling her to, he would have been assertive, aggressive even. She decided to play a role so people would like her, not realizing that saving Westeros would make people like her! They may have hated her at first, but if you save people they're generally inclined to feel gratitude towards you. I'd rather be a ruthless dragon & save people than be a sheep, only to lose everything & then go mad.
@blacklight4845 she's telling her to attack kings landing, of course she's attacking innocent people, she's been threatening people with her dragons since they could breathe fire she's literally no different than the mad king
Olenna is clever? Shall I remind you what happened to her son, her granddaughter and her grandson? And before what happened to them, they were imprisoned, and the same was going to happen to Olenna if she didn't leave. Olenna thinks she is so clever but they screwed up with Renly, they screwed up with Joffrey and they screwed up with Tommen.
Is funny how women think they are so smart in this serie and is always proven wrong.
@@brbr9558 She screwed up by not advising her grandaughter to be civil to Cersei. If Margaery had just been a decent person instead of laughing of Cersei with her handmaidens and trying to get her sent to Casterly Rock, then the Tyrells would have still been in power, together with the Lannisters.
It was dumb to want too much. Olenna should have advised Margaery better
@@mattteomatei3610 are you high? renly was not a screw up, he would have easily won the war but died because of blood magic which literally nobody could have predicted. joffrey was impossible to control so the tyrells killed him and weren't even suspected to be behind it in the slightest, and margaery had tommen wrapped around her finger
the only reason the tyrells lost was because cersei basically did the westeros equivalent of nuking the vatican, which realistically was a braindead move that should have gotten her deposed within a week. only reason she even kept the throne is because the thousands upon thousands of members of the faith militant kinda forgot they existed and the tyrell army that's been completely untouched the past 5 seasons kinda forgot they outnumbered the lannister army 10:1
@@quinoalove; N’all, The only reason sh•t fail apart was because D&D are horrible writers
Bro what? Renly wasn’t a screwup. Cocky yes, but not stupid. He died from weird blood magic, something only sorcerers would know of. And the only reason Cersei “won” is because the internal logic of the universe was broken and ignored. Remember when Joffrey executed Ned Stark and the country descended into war? Thats what should have happened to Cersei, her being executed for high treason and mass murder, on top of the other crimes the Faith had against her. But the morons writing the show kinda forgot that the Faith were popular with thousands of followers in Kings Landing that would want Cersei dead for killing their savior in the High Sparrow, and also for killing a beloved Queen in Margaery.
@@aegonthedragon7303 Morons writing the show???????? Bandwagon at its finest. People can't even judge Benioff and Weiss fairly
Well, she heeded that advice and did behave like a dragon.
It cost here dearly because she was slain by a Wolf of the North.
There were no sheep.