Excellent informative review. It certainly looks a cracking model, but with the price being so high I think I'll fit my earlier Bachmann 47s with Legoman MNR sound chips and forego the spinning fans and tinted windows.
Definitely agree about the one piece Snowplough. I have some on the older WCRC 37’s I own, and I painted the connecting brackets between the centre and outer ploughs black. Really helps to disguise the fact that it’s a one piece moulding.
I know Class 47s are your thing but that's too rich for my wallet. I'll stick with my old Lima version in green livery. Good review video though. Cheers
Nice as it is I have 3 older 47s and 2 57s which I picked up new over the last 5 years for around the 125 pound mark can't justify the price of that new one, great review 👍
One thing I noticed is that for that time period the loco should only have one tail lamp illuminated, you can one or the other on but not both. That modification came in the late 80's.
Couldn't justify the extra cost. They could of put etched grills in the roof sides too its certainly a nice model I have a couple of the old bachmann 47's and happy with those and buying further older models would be preferable over a new one for me. But thanks for the great review
Not really, the etches would be very flat and as the grilles are part of the roof panel would have had to have had an unprototypical join around each of them. On our new 56 (Cavalex) we have moulded the grilles as actual holes through the body but I fear the 47 ones would be too fine for the tooling to do that.
Great video! Although this new tooled version is definitely better than the original Bachmann model, the old one still holds up as a good model, and I would personally rather save a bit of money, and go for the previous version, as the old one still looks amazing, and I don’t care too much about absolute accuracy. Also, it’s worth noting that on Analogue these don’t have great torque…
Hi, All of Bachmann’s 47’s are good all rounders. :-) Bachmann are good at tweaking and improving their models. That’s why the 47 is one of their best. In my opinion.
Nice video Dave. Bachmann’s class 47 has always been a good model in my opinion that is why they are the best selling class 47 that is out on the market today. Nice one. Take care cheers. - Nicholas.
350! I paid 12 quid for a Hornby model on my 1st visit back to the UK in 1979. Still runs and I fitted a chip, and it works fine. Once it was weathered, it looks great, plus some adjustments, buffer beams, couplers, lights etc but yes, no sound.
I can see the sense in Bachmann producing an upgraded 47, especially when faced with the forthcoming Heljan model. Unfortunately its predecessor is a pretty decent model in its own right. The new Heljan duff is exactly that, I saw the pre-prod EP and knew then and there that I won't be buying any of those, so I bought 47012 as it'd be rude of me not to buy a Bescot locomotive being my local shed, and modelled in 1978-81 condition for good measure. It has to be said that sat alongside my other 47s it just doesn't stand out as significantly better to justify replacing my other models, which is a testament to how good the outgoing Bachmann model is. The windscreens are a nice touch, but thats something I've replicated before with 85% VLT chameleon car windscreen tint (I believe the 47s tint was 90% VLT or there about), a test swatch of which can be bought for pennies and will last for dozens of models. I do have a bit of a bugbear with the fans though. They're far too fast, and to be pedantic without the serck shutters opening they're totally redundant; shutters closed, fans are stopped. £40 lesson duly learned. If, and thats a big IF I ever buy another 47, it won't be the deluxe version again.
Excellent review thanks Dave. I do have a few of the previous 47s and I'm happy with them. I will be putting this one on a maybe list. If they sell out everywhere then so be it but I've a few accurascale pre orders so it's a wait and see for this one. Have a great Christmas and New year atb Andy
Enjoyed the video as always. I should point out to all who read your comments that the deluxe sound versions are in very short supply as only around 130 of each livery has been produced. If anyone wants one they should not hang around. The standard sound and analogue versions have been produced in greater quantities but again they are selling out as well. Have tried out the RFD version and was impressed with the improved sound which should I think be available on the the standard sound versions as well. Once again thanks for posting your usual non biased opinions and have a nice Christmas.
Cheers Jim. Yes the deluxe ones were more limited than a limited edition model! Bizarrely. I await the deluxe construction sector deluxe one… not in stock yet.
@@DeanPark I wonder if Bachmann were just testing the market with the limited number of deluxe models being made. I guess if it proves popular, then larger batches will be produced in the future.
Gday Dave,Thanks for another great review .A bit pricey for me .Enjoyed the comparison with the last edition which is a nice model..Merry Christmas Mate .Regards Tony 👍👍 🇦🇺 🇦🇺 🎅 🎅
Not my cup of tea I'm afraid. I think I'll stick the 80's style Hornby railroad ones and detail it up. Will it look as good? No. But it's a 10th of the price and I learn some skills on the way :)
I'm lucky enough to own a few of the 'older' models so it will be a case of one in, one out for me . I have just bought the green deluxe version and I'm very pleased with it !. The older , similar liveried model will be sold on in due course to offset the wallet busting cost of the latest model. Great video and an even better layout !
Cheers. Glad you like your green deluxe. I won’t sell most of my previous models on, as the new ones won’t appear with the same names/numbers are the previous ones. But I do like the new one, even with its silly high price tag
Hi Dave has you know I’ve got a few bachmann 47s I think the new one beats the old one hands down you can do a lot more with them as in opening cab doors ect great video m8
Great honest review David, still not sure about the price tag for a DCC sound deluxe over the 00 47's I had in the past, think I will keep mine they are still lovely looking models, Andy
Another good review Dave Sadly for Bachmann I will not be adding any to my collection the five I run now are detailed enough for me, these are no better from normal viewing distance on a fast express. Have a great Christmas best wishes for the New Year
Thanks - a superb review that’s helped me very much. I’m modelling the transition era so have a couple of the previous models in two tone. Whilst I can see the new version is clearly better in several ways I’m happy with what I have at the moment. I agree it’s expensive, especially the DC version and also compared to the launch prices for the forthcoming Accurascale locos which have very similar specifications. The green versions seem to be selling well though and the delux version can’t be had for love nor money in green so no doubt Bachmann will do well with this new 47.
Yes the deluxe were limited to 130 per model. Which is too limited! But I suspect future runs will be more plentiful as the deluxe have sold very well.
Thanks again Dave for the video. Hard to see a million pounds worth of development/improvements over the previous model, other than the price increase… fortunately I’ve got plenty 47’s already, so see no need to upgrade.
Hi there,thanks for a great review,but as someone who is returning to the hobby I'll be looking for second hand Bachmann models..Seasons greetings to you.!
I might get one of these but it will be capped to just one only as I am happy with my what some people would call inferior Lima Class 47 models. I would get some of the older Bachmann 47's as well but as for the new model. One would be enough for me and I may well get a Petroleum one or an Intercity/Virgin Trains one but that depends on the availability of them in the stores. Great video as always Dave and Merry Christmas to you and yours. All the best from Belfast, Ash.
A balanced review. I have 2 47s one in green 1 in 2 tone grey railfrieght. Would I buy the new one... the standard one yes, the deluxe one is out of my reach. Nice but expensive. Thank you.
Cheers Tom. The standard model is a fantastic model. The deluxe is just great, but it is expensive. I saved hard for this one and the future ones, as the class 47 is my fav! :-) thanks. Dave
Great Video Dave. I have one on order. I love cab interiors fully detailed. Can’t wait to get mine. Shame no driver was fitted. Again thanks for a great review.
Great comparison Dave. Like you I have some early ones, and some later ones . RE the cab front, like you said the ploughs are lazy as is the continuation of bufferbeam steps with the poor solution of putting them through slots at the bottom of the body . I can see the chassis improvements on terms of detailing and running and I guess the ideal scenario for me would be re- equip the bodies I have with better chassis from these - but ultimately if that’s not possible in the future I’ll stick with what I have I think
Lovely model crazy price, I have ordered the ETH version in BR Blue with sound but not the deluxe model but even the price of that is too expensive. On the deluxe model I would want moving radiator intake shutters for that price.
Thanks for a very useful review, as ever. One of these is on my bucket list to buy, though not with a high priority. As Bachmann invested £1m in its development I’m hoping they’ll release fresh versions in a year or two which might have depot allocations better suited to my layout location than Tinsley.
Thanks for the video. There appears to be a moulding line down the corner of the cab front in the yellow on the new model which is not visible on your ‘previous’ model. Best seen in you comparison at 7:48. Seems a retrograde step given its high spec claims. Well, it stood out to me anyway. Given the prices the ‘previous’ model standards are certainly good enough for this modeller. Thanks for your work again.
I ordered bachmann 2 class 47s with sound scotrail livery lady Diana Spencer and greyfiers bobby going to Edinburgh on Saturday morning to pick them up am going loco 😁👍
An excellent review as always Dave. I have to say that for me the differences between this new version and the one it’s replacing are too finite to tempt me, particularly at the price point that Bachmann have gone for. I do wonder if they’ve done this to preempt their 47 being usurped in the same way that the Deltic & 37s will be in the coming months by Accurascale.
I think they were working on the 47 for a while, even before Heljan showed their hand with their 47. As for the Deltic.. I can’t see them taking on accurascale as with only 22 locos built it’s a bit niche. But you can be your last Dollar they will not be letting the 37 go without a fight. It’s far too numerous and popular to let a competitor just sweep it up!
Waiting for my 012 deluxe for my Scottish layout. Fortunately after a lot of research I don't *think*it ever wore ploughs as I agree with you about the one piece. Cost wise, a standard model plus sound fitting by the excellent coastal DCC and you're pretty much in the £300 mark anyway. Very informative video as usual. Merry Xmas.
Great review Dave. I would like to see one of these live before I decide to purchase. I also have 47 001 and 47 163 in which I am very happy with both. Though 47 163 with the Union Jack has a slight body lean. Will be interesting in comparison with the New Heljan Class 47 due for release soon?
Cheers. Looking at the pre production versions of the Heljan one I don’t think Bachmann have anything to worry about. But it will be interesting to see it. Yes the 163 is a bit wobbly on its bogies
Thanks for a great review of this locomotive. I only have a few diesels as I mostly model steam, but if I were to get a diesel, this would be way too expensive for me. I would be scared to run it! Have a great Christmas and New Year. Look forward to seeing how you progress in 2022. Roy.
Sadly I cant offer an opinion on the comparisons as I'm not a modeller but that sounds really pricey, especially given previous ones arent a great deal different. However if I was of the fraternity and as a fellow 47 fan, I dont know if I could say no to a 47, especially with a domino headbox. I can say, I thoroughly enjoyed the sound and the video as usual was excellent. Thank you for sharing. Have a Great Xmas and ofcourse Hogmanay too Dave.
To be honest I'm not sure if cab details are important. It seems reviewers mention cab details and how impressive they are so I think maybe it is important 🤔, then cost, does it really add a lot more cost to the model?? Good review as per usual.
I get what you’re saying. It’s seems that details we don’t really see are becoming an ‘essential’ when it comes to new models. The same can be argued for under frame detail that can’t be seen unless you lift the model to look. I think companies are now in a ‘detail arms race’ to better their models to steal a march on their competition. But the downside is a higher price to pay for the consumer. Years ago (I believe bachmann, but I may be wrong) asked its customer based whether they wanted their models to remain with the same detail for similar prices. Or wanted higher spec models, but those would come at a price. The rivet counters in the hobby (who shout the loudest) demanded more detail! The companies delivered on that, and now some of the same modellers who wanted all the detail now complain at the prices!
Great review Dave nice looking model probably a bit to rich for my pockets but that's not to say a few weeks of saving I would not go out and get one has I always remember seeing the swallow livery 47 doing services though Leicester with the mk 2s and the railfreight Distribution 47 on the car transportation. Obviously not much difference between the both models. Merry Christmas to you and family 🎄
Hi Dave Great video, I wondered how the new model would compare with Bachmanns previous version and it came out very well but they may have moved the model forward they have certainly shifted the price. Its not something I personally will buy, I like good sound and a good representation of the loco and the old models I have are superb runners and like yourself I won't be trading them for the new one. I'm looking forward now to seeing the Accurascale Deltic and Heljan Peak, still expensive in my opinion but no where near this. Most people can't justify this cost, its an extravagant purchase. I prefer to trawl ebay for a bargain. Cheers Paul 👍
Not keen on the cab front glazing, not from the point of view of the tint but, particularly on the left hand window when you are doing the comparison at 9:14 there is a real prismatic effect round the bottom and right hand side of the window, I assume due to the thickness of the 'glass'.
That might push the price up even more! Ones that could be poised either open or shut would be good, but again…£££! I think it’s the best we are going to get in OO gauge detail.
I have D1500, not sure which of the 2 versions this is. I may be tempted by the deluxe version if they do 727 in Caledonian Sleeper livery (because if I get one, why not go full out), but otherwise I wouldn't bother with the new release because it's so expensive and the older models are good enough. I'm actually buying more lima 47s again, with an EWS one currently in the post, because I can work on them like adding DCC sockets and painting the wipers black and suchlike, and I like collecting different liveries of the same types.
Fair looks the part. I doubt £1m has been spent solely to produce a class 47 , in that the platform / mechanics etc will find a home on a class 56/69 at some point.
Be a shame for Cavalex if they do produce a 56. But Bachmann have been playing quite a canny game with the quarterly announcements so far. Can’t see a new 37 being far off, I think Hornby have all but given up with diesels , quite happy to live off the far of the land & you do wonder how long before Bachmann set about a class 31 , or a class 50. As Bachmann stated Rolls Royce models at Rolls Royce prices. The 47 is still cheaper than a Marklin / Trix 66 & the ESU equivalent. Only downer I have with the new models are the lousy couplings they fit, all that effort into the fiddlies & they keep persisting with those awful tension locks. You don’t pay 345 euros for a Marklin loco to then have to buy better couplings. Don’t know why they can’t supply as a spare a bogie minus the nem pocket so as to take a full 1 piece snowplough fitting that screws / locates on the underside of the chassis. As much as I like doing up / detailing up the old Lima gear , I do object to having to take a craft blade to the new models to remove the nem fitting / alter things just seems to defeat the object of the higher spec models.
Hi Dave anther great video mate I do like he new Bachmann class47 locos but they are a bit out side my price range at the moment so I will stay with my old Bachmann class47 locos mate merry Christmas from clive in N Ireland
The situation for these is like me with the Hatton's 66, its a great model but it suffered from quality control issues (which I still need to rectify on the three i have). I still have Bachmann class 66's that do the job brilliantly and are solid models. But in this case if Hatton's sort the quality control issues their model will be a seriously tempting prospect.
The issue is that fine detail is not robust by its nature. You either have railroad stuff that's bullet proof or detailed items that you have to concede may need a tad of glue now and again.
Yup great review Dave, totally agree about the Snow Ploughs, pity they didn't do the same as the new Class 20 and mounted them straight to the Bufferbeam. Wont be buying any of this batch, will wait for more recent liveries..Looks a great model though, but just to echo other comments, pricey!!
The problem is that the customers think that it's a cheap process to manufacture models and that the prices are injust greed by the companies making them. In reality they are costing more and more to produce and with profit requirements being nibbled off at every point in the manufacturing process by each company involved, these margins add up which eventually has to be reflected in the price of the finished model.
My favourite locomotive I really do have over 70 all makes and have 11 Bachmann models £350 wow can I justify number 76 it will have to just one bit maybe just the entry level as I don’t have Dcc ,another great video Dave ,merry Christmas to you and family ,all the best Mark 🤶🏻🧑🎄🎅🏼
I have 004, 012, 375 and 828 as the basic versions on order. The sound and de luxe versions are just too much. From what vive seen, it feels like the improvements over the previous version is greater than the sum of the parts. Yes, the previous one is still very good; I have approaching 90 of them so won't be moving them on anytime soon. As modellers, we are always asking for more and better quality. This delivers, at a variety of prices, so take your pick.
Great overview of the model Dave, it’s good to hear some positive aspects on this model for once, the announcement video just had people moaning that bachmann had retooled an existing locomotive, bet these same people would moan if bachmann hadn’t done anything, to me it looks brilliant and it is something that I would be willing to buy in the future, features like the working fans is brilliant and bachmann have done working fans far better than hornby did years ago as I remember hornby used rubber bands and it made the locomotives not run smoothly, working fans is brilliant feature and it is something that should be fitted as standard to more diesel locomotives, when you were asking if we need all this detail my answer to you is yes we do need this detail, we’re into a new decade now and we can do a lot more now than we could do years ago and things are advancing and getting better all the time secondly people want the detail on models now, as for price yes it is expensive but at the end of the day we are getting a lot of features included on a model and it is showing that bachmann can be a good company and that can still produce a great model especially with other manufacturers also making their own products.
I agree with clipperrail, about having a basic version, at say the £150-170 mark. I think that while this is a very nice model, I think Bachmann have made it too luxurious, and not left a budget one in place. As regards the sound, and possible detail, it'll be interesting to compare this to the Hornby 47712, in Scotrail blue stripe livery, at £99, due for release in 2022 as a web exclusive item, for comparison.
It'll blow the Hornby offering clean out of the water in every department. However, value for money wise, the Hornby TTS 47s are excellent for those on a budget. Smart move again, Margate.
@@neilsansom7363 Is it? As the hobby moves to expecting the level of quality provided by Accurascale and Bachmann, is it good to be associated with models like the Hornby 66. A poor update of one of Lima's not great models from 25 years ago? It's bottom feeding. Look how Audi and BMW are dominating, because people aspire. Whether that's right or wrong, justifiable or unjustifiable, we aspire to 'better'. Hornby is satisfied with cheapest crap out the door first. For that amongst many other crimes, I wouldn't darken their door again. He's "selling happiness". Well, it's certainly not quality anyway.
@@kellypaws Not disagreeing with you. Its a broad church with different depth of pockets. Use to get multiples of locos when they came out for renumbering. Won't be doing that any more given the price rises of late.
I have to say I always thought the cab insides - and the wipers outside - really spoilt the previous model. For some reason I DO always notice Diesel cab interiors, but maybe it's just me.
Amazed they never did a standard blue with silver roof stratford 47.....i think many will brnefit from those offloading their last gen 47 models as they remain good enough. I would just wire up for engine room lighting.
it's probably just me but the yellow cab ends look really plasticky which is odd. Really nice to see companies now spending time making nice interior cab details and proper handrails
yes, it was odd, as soon as I looked at it the cab plastic just stood out straight away but not sure why. Loved the interior cab detail, although the inclusion of a driver in the accessories bag would have been nice
Nice review a couple of points if you could comment on please Dave hard to see from the filming can you turn off the tail lights when hauling a train via DCC or is it still the silly little switch set up under the battery boxes, now to the don’t like bits really poor mould finish between cab front and side windows can clearly see that line in the yellow paint work also the builders plates look like an after thought to me if the brand it as DELUXE the photo etching would but much better. In MY opinion is it worth well over £300 then no but as I say my opinion only.
Yes, I’d have loved to see the 08, 37, 45 and even the mk2a coaches being addressed Before the 47, but I suspect bachmann got wind of the Heljan 47 and answered the challenge. The class 20 and 24 needed a refresh, but perhaps the ‘old’ 47 could have soldiered on for a while longer with great success.
@@DeanPark Accurascales are also doing a 37 I gather, but there are still models either under represented or still not fully available like the Class 81-84, the 89 also ..
Got two of the older ones and very happy with them. If they have several pricepoints through the range they should have given us a model without the gimmicks tor about £150 - I’d have probably taken a few as the range increases, but £200 way too much for the base model. I’m off to run my 2 older ones, my wallet has a big smile.
both look good was looking at buying 2 but the price has put me off. i already have 4 class 47s all in good condition.so think i will just stick with the ones i have. the cost of the hobby i think is getting out of hand now
One thing you didn't mention on the details, and one that I've always been critical with the older 47... is the angled framework on the sides behind the bufferbeam cowling. Until this model, Bachmann's plastic chassis was based on the old R.S Carter drawings, which were pretty good, but had a far too steep angle than the prototype... so it was an error that Bachmann replicated. This new model has fixed that problem, and look much better. The battery-box/fuel tank area looks really amazing... far better than a clip-on box. All good stuff!
Have not been on for a couple of months. Can I ask when did the Channel change name? I was sure it was called" Dave class 47" Am i mistaken or is it a case of Mandella effect , lol?
It was changed to be in line with the layout name. While I still am ‘daveclass47’ the channel is now Dean park model railway. Just to make it easier for people to find.
Great review Dave but question for ya. Sound fitted loco’s are great and obviously running during making of a video makes good viewing but if you’re just “ playing “ trains running multiple locos do you run with or without sound as would imagine noise would be off putting? Interested to hear other modellers views on this 🤷♂️
Oh if you’ve more than one or two sound locos on it gets right on your nerves! I wouldn’t bother with sound usually… but this is the only way that I could get to see the fancy glazing and moving roof fans.
@@sapphirejunction8993 I doubt it! The closer we try to replicate reality, the more obvious it becomes that we cannot! I'm of an age where I can remember the 55s in service. You feel those engines rather than hear them! If we go for realistic engine sounds, what about the noises that their loads made? Loose coupled wagons tightening up to the click clack of coaches, it's just not possible!
The windscreens just don’t look right. It sort looks a bit like the old Farish Poole tooling 47 from some angles in the video. The cab door window and cab side window are better. It will be interesting to see how the new Heljan 4mm Class 47 compares once released. Also a comparison with the ViTrains 47 would be interresting. In my personal opinion the ViTrains 47 wasn’t a bad model, and had details difference even capturing traditional as built filament bulb taillights versus the LED tail lights fitted to RES life extension 47/7. Also no options for drop in P4 or EM wheelsets, which Accurascale offer is poor. On price, now it’s £200+ for a DCC Ready model it’s just too much for my pocket.
For me it's a nice model but it's not that much nicer than the outgoing model and the incredible price has put me off. I'll be buying model class 47s on the secondhand market
I’m glad it’s not shown up the previous model, as I’ve a lot of them and didn’t fancy having loads of ‘old’ ones sitting around looking out of date beside the new ones. Both will sit very happily alongside each other.
Hi Dave. I have to say, you covered this loco well. It is slightly more expensive but, I will be purchasing it, and we'll see beyond that? It ran & sounded brilliant. Take care and Merry Christmas to you too Cheers 🧑🎄 Iain. ps. My settings have been changed on my pc, it used to be MM, don't let mates "fix" your computer for you 🙄 😂
I sincerely hope your happy with your purchase - because ,yes, its really (??) worth the extortionate cost and its a totally justifiable bargain at the price of around £300 then when you consider you can get a Accurascale Deltic at about half the RRP which runs just as well and is built to a far higher standard !! a fool and their money are soon parted !! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Bachmann have produced very limited runs of the deluxe models to ensure prices stay very high and some modellers who pre-order won't get them as orders to some shops have been reduced. Not a very good way to treat it's customers.
Most retail at £314. I pre ordered one from a well know shop, at the start when they were announced. I now see the remaining deluxe one available is now up significantly! I think they shall do future runs of the deluxe models… as I think they were just testing the market with these smaller runs.
Good review but I dont believe Bachmanns claim about spending £1 million for new tooling of this model for instance tweek the mold for the body, does it have the same motors & gearing...& chassis block, looks like new bogies & underframe details etc...they may have accumulated £ 1 million in research & development & tooling etc since they produced their 1st 47 to this one.
I for one don't want and never asked for working roof fans, tinted front cab windows. I do like the better inside detail(s) of the cabs. But still wish they had a driver figure. But I guess that can sometimes look odd when the loco is running the other way, so the driver is at the back, as for the price............ even the standard one is a litttle too much for my liking! It is not as complicated to model as a steam loco. And the ones I already have are fine.
Yup the current ones are still excellent models! If you’d told me in 2012 when I was buying new 47’s for £70 that 9 years later I’d be buying the same models at £314 I’d have choked!
And yet another model for the "collectors with deep pockets only" shelf. £300 is a pisstake. Let's not forget that we are talking about a hobby that used to begin at this time of year, boys getting train sets for Christmas and then adding to it as time went on, those days are long gone. The manufacturers are killing this hobby with their stupid greedy pricing and marketing policy of selling out virtually as soon as all the pre-orders have been honoured. it's about time they realised the age group of the majority of their customers, because in about 20 years most of them will be dead, who are they going to rip off then.
Yes it’s a top end hobby now. But boys and girls at Christmas can still get models, rail road etc. is a great way to get kids into the hobby. But I do worry where we are going. Higher living cost, squeezed budgets and at the same time significantly increasing prices. It’s a sign of the times. Perhaps realignments of the world economy are needed and less reliance on China! There are cheaper markets out there, that perhaps need to be explored to reduce production costs. Isn’t it China who are taking some Of the p*ss and Not just the companies?
I never understand this argument . Model trains have always been a discretionary purchase - even in 1980 they’d cost a fair percentage of a weeks wages. They set a profit margin and try to achieve it - these things have taken a million pounds development and that takes a lot of recouping.
@@robd2184 Why put shed loads of detail on a model that won't even be seen. I recently retired after 52 years in retailing and marketing so I know how these things work. Why do you think that Hornby have the word "Collector" on their packaging, they are not bothered about bringing new people into the hobby, that's why they dropped the Thomas range. They could easily expand the "railroad range" and offer an entry level price, but they won't. There's a common trait in retailing that goes along the lines of "why sell 10 of a product for £10 each, when you you can sell 5 at £20", As I said in my earlier comment the average age group of railway modellers will not be around forever, and with very few new ones coming through, the manufacturers need to take a very hard look at where their markets will come from.
@@suffolkpompey , because you are paying for it to look like the real thing - otherwise just sell brio wooden trainsets at a tenner a go . i've looked on several of my red and yellow boxes but can't see " collector " written anywhere , although of course this is part of their market , as it is for bachmann - however if i was purely a collector i wouldn't shell out for rotating fans or sound would you ?
I used to spot a lot of these back in the 80’s, it’s probably just my eyes, but to me the front end just doesn’t look right, and nor does the colour. Irrelevant really though, since I would never be able to afford even the basic model.
@@DeanPark it’s just my first feeling looking at the model. I can’t really put my finger on it. But I bow to your experience. I can see you are impressed, and that’s good enough for me. Shame about the price though. That will put it beyond the reach of many.
after seeing just what superior quality Accurascale can produce with their Deltic and for roughly half the cost of a Bachmann 47 - my money WILL stay firmly in my wallet - their is NO WAY I will be paying this extortionate price and feeding Bachmann,s greed !!
Accurascale announced the price of their Deltics in 2018/19 and honoured that price through a pandemic and cost of living crisis. I suspect when they do a rerun of this model it will be significantly more expensive. So despite the bachmann one being expensive, I think the accurascale wont be far behind in terms of cost. A sound fitted Deltic £250, a sound fitted class 47 at £289. Next release of Deltic won’t be far off this! The price difference between the two manufacturers is only the way it is due to accurascale honouring pre order prices.
@@DeanPark we will have to wait and see - but im not totally convinced ! the new Bachmann example of a 47 is STILL way overpriced for what it is- it wont be too long before were being asked to part with £400 for a loco !!
Very interesting model don't know if I can justify buying one as they are a bit pricey. I would also have expected a crew fitted for the price
Excellent informative review. It certainly looks a cracking model, but with the price being so high I think I'll fit my earlier Bachmann 47s with Legoman MNR sound chips and forego the spinning fans and tinted windows.
Good review. However, at that price, I'd be wanting the louvre vents to open and close when the power increased/decreased.
It amazes me how realistic models are these days and how technology has leapt forward in recent years
Definitely agree about the one piece Snowplough. I have some on the older WCRC 37’s I own, and I painted the connecting brackets between the centre and outer ploughs black. Really helps to disguise the fact that it’s a one piece moulding.
Yes I paint the joining parts too. It does disguise it.
I know Class 47s are your thing but that's too rich for my wallet. I'll stick with my old Lima version in green livery. Good review video though. Cheers
Great in Depth review and love the way you pulled away and slowed down very realistic with the sounds too! Fantastic!
Nice as it is I have 3 older 47s and 2 57s which I picked up new over the last 5 years for around the 125 pound mark can't justify the price of that new one, great review 👍
Yes please!!!! My railway is primarily steam but I’m definitely going to have to run a blue 47! Thanks for the review.
One thing I noticed is that for that time period the loco should only have one tail lamp illuminated, you can one or the other on but not both. That modification came in the late 80's.
Couldn't justify the extra cost. They could of put etched grills in the roof sides too its certainly a nice model I have a couple of the old bachmann 47's and happy with those and buying further older models would be preferable over a new one for me. But thanks for the great review
Not really, the etches would be very flat and as the grilles are part of the roof panel would have had to have had an unprototypical join around each of them. On our new 56 (Cavalex) we have moulded the grilles as actual holes through the body but I fear the 47 ones would be too fine for the tooling to do that.
Great video! Although this new tooled version is definitely better than the original Bachmann model, the old one still holds up as a good model, and I would personally rather save a bit of money, and go for the previous version, as the old one still looks amazing, and I don’t care too much about absolute accuracy. Also, it’s worth noting that on Analogue these don’t have great torque…
Hi, All of Bachmann’s 47’s are good all rounders. :-) Bachmann are good at tweaking and improving their models. That’s why the 47 is one of their best. In my opinion.
Nice video Dave. Bachmann’s class 47 has always been a good model in my opinion that is why they are the best selling class 47 that is out on the market today. Nice one. Take care cheers. - Nicholas.
350! I paid 12 quid for a Hornby model on my 1st visit back to the UK in 1979. Still runs and I fitted a chip, and it works fine. Once it was weathered, it looks great, plus some adjustments, buffer beams, couplers, lights etc but yes, no sound.
I can see the sense in Bachmann producing an upgraded 47, especially when faced with the forthcoming Heljan model. Unfortunately its predecessor is a pretty decent model in its own right. The new Heljan duff is exactly that, I saw the pre-prod EP and knew then and there that I won't be buying any of those, so I bought 47012 as it'd be rude of me not to buy a Bescot locomotive being my local shed, and modelled in 1978-81 condition for good measure. It has to be said that sat alongside my other 47s it just doesn't stand out as significantly better to justify replacing my other models, which is a testament to how good the outgoing Bachmann model is. The windscreens are a nice touch, but thats something I've replicated before with 85% VLT chameleon car windscreen tint (I believe the 47s tint was 90% VLT or there about), a test swatch of which can be bought for pennies and will last for dozens of models. I do have a bit of a bugbear with the fans though. They're far too fast, and to be pedantic without the serck shutters opening they're totally redundant; shutters closed, fans are stopped. £40 lesson duly learned. If, and thats a big IF I ever buy another 47, it won't be the deluxe version again.
Excellent review thanks Dave. I do have a few of the previous 47s and I'm happy with them. I will be putting this one on a maybe list. If they sell out everywhere then so be it but I've a few accurascale pre orders so it's a wait and see for this one. Have a great Christmas and New year atb Andy
Enjoyed the video as always. I should point out to all who read your comments that the deluxe sound versions are in very short supply as only around 130 of each livery has been produced. If anyone wants one they should not hang around. The standard sound and analogue versions have been produced in greater quantities but again they are selling out as well. Have tried out the RFD version and was impressed with the improved sound which should I think be available on the the standard sound versions as well. Once again thanks for posting your usual non biased opinions and have a nice Christmas.
Cheers Jim. Yes the deluxe ones were more limited than a limited edition model! Bizarrely. I await the deluxe construction sector deluxe one… not in stock yet.
@@DeanPark I wonder if Bachmann were just testing the market with the limited number of deluxe models being made. I guess if it proves popular, then larger batches will be produced in the future.
Gday Dave,Thanks for another great review .A bit pricey for me .Enjoyed the comparison with the last edition which is a nice model..Merry Christmas Mate .Regards Tony 👍👍 🇦🇺 🇦🇺 🎅 🎅
Cheers Dave, thanks for showing us the new 47. Would love to see in a Scotrail Livery. Best wishes for Christmas & the coming New Year. Kevin 🎅🚂📽🤝👏👍
Not my cup of tea I'm afraid. I think I'll stick the 80's style Hornby railroad ones and detail it up. Will it look as good? No. But it's a 10th of the price and I learn some skills on the way :)
Looks like a fantastic model. Think it's high-time I upgraded from my Lima 47's!
Great video .I have 47375 on order .Merry Christmas to you 😊
I'm lucky enough to own a few of the 'older' models so it will be a case of one in, one out for me .
I have just bought the green deluxe version and I'm very pleased with it !.
The older , similar liveried model will be sold on in due course to offset the wallet busting cost of the latest model.
Great video and an even better layout !
Cheers. Glad you like your green deluxe. I won’t sell most of my previous models on, as the new ones won’t appear with the same names/numbers are the previous ones. But I do like the new one, even with its silly high price tag
Hi Dave has you know I’ve got a few bachmann 47s I think the new one beats the old one hands down you can do a lot more with them as in opening cab doors ect great video m8
Great honest review David, still not sure about the price tag for a DCC sound deluxe over the 00 47's I had in the past, think I will keep mine they are still lovely looking models, Andy
Another good review Dave Sadly for Bachmann I will not be adding any to my collection the five I run now are detailed enough for me, these are no better from normal viewing distance on a fast express. Have a great Christmas best wishes for the New Year
Thanks - a superb review that’s helped me very much. I’m modelling the transition era so have a couple of the previous models in two tone. Whilst I can see the new version is clearly better in several ways I’m happy with what I have at the moment. I agree it’s expensive, especially the DC version and also compared to the launch prices for the forthcoming Accurascale locos which have very similar specifications. The green versions seem to be selling well though and the delux version can’t be had for love nor money in green so no doubt Bachmann will do well with this new 47.
Yes the deluxe were limited to 130 per model. Which is too limited! But I suspect future runs will be more plentiful as the deluxe have sold very well.
Thanks again Dave for the video. Hard to see a million pounds worth of development/improvements over the previous model, other than the price increase… fortunately I’ve got plenty 47’s already, so see no need to upgrade.
No need to replace the previous ones, new one is fantastic, but so was the other one!
Hi there,thanks for a great review,but as someone who is returning to the hobby I'll be looking for second hand Bachmann models..Seasons greetings to you.!
I might get one of these but it will be capped to just one only as I am happy with my what some people would call inferior Lima Class 47 models. I would get some of the older Bachmann 47's as well but as for the new model. One would be enough for me and I may well get a Petroleum one or an Intercity/Virgin Trains one but that depends on the availability of them in the stores. Great video as always Dave and Merry Christmas to you and yours.
All the best from Belfast,
Ash.
A balanced review. I have 2 47s one in green 1 in 2 tone grey railfrieght. Would I buy the new one... the standard one yes, the deluxe one is out of my reach. Nice but expensive. Thank you.
Cheers Tom. The standard model is a fantastic model. The deluxe is just great, but it is expensive. I saved hard for this one and the future ones, as the class 47 is my fav! :-) thanks. Dave
Great Video Dave. I have one on order. I love cab interiors fully detailed. Can’t wait to get mine. Shame no driver was fitted. Again thanks for a great review.
Yeah shame about the driver, but you can buy better more detailed drivers from
The likes of modelU, they have an excellent selection.
H Dave, enjoyed the video. Have a Merry Christmas and I will look forward to seeing more of you informative videos in 2022. Cheers Greg
Cheers Greg, have a great festive season. Dave
Great comparison Dave. Like you I have some early ones, and some later ones . RE the cab front, like you said the ploughs are lazy as is the continuation of bufferbeam steps with the poor solution of putting them through slots at the bottom of the body . I can see the chassis improvements on terms of detailing and running and I guess the ideal scenario for me would be re- equip the bodies I have with better chassis from these - but ultimately if that’s not possible in the future I’ll stick with what I have I think
Lovely model crazy price, I have ordered the ETH version in BR Blue with sound but not the deluxe model but even the price of that is too expensive. On the deluxe model I would want moving radiator intake shutters for that price.
Eye watering prices for sure. But what’s cheap right now? :-( the standard 47 is a beauty. I just couldn’t resist tossing all my money into this lol.
Thanks for a very useful review, as ever. One of these is on my bucket list to buy, though not with a high priority. As Bachmann invested £1m in its development I’m hoping they’ll release fresh versions in a year or two which might have depot allocations better suited to my layout location than Tinsley.
There will be a steady trickle of them over the months and years ahead. More modern/post privatisation versions coming soon!
Thanks for the video. There appears to be a moulding line down the corner of the cab front in the yellow on the new model which is not visible on your ‘previous’ model. Best seen in you comparison at 7:48. Seems a retrograde step given its high spec claims. Well, it stood out to me anyway. Given the prices the ‘previous’ model standards are certainly good enough for this modeller. Thanks for your work again.
I ordered bachmann 2 class 47s with sound scotrail livery lady Diana Spencer and greyfiers bobby going to Edinburgh on Saturday morning to pick them up am going loco 😁👍
An excellent review as always Dave. I have to say that for me the differences between this new version and the one it’s replacing are too finite to tempt me, particularly at the price point that Bachmann have gone for.
I do wonder if they’ve done this to preempt their 47 being usurped in the same way that the Deltic & 37s will be in the coming months by Accurascale.
I think they were working on the 47 for a while, even before Heljan showed their hand with their 47.
As for the Deltic.. I can’t see them taking on accurascale as with only 22 locos built it’s a bit niche. But you can be your last
Dollar they will not be letting the 37 go without a fight. It’s far too numerous and popular to let a competitor just sweep it up!
If Bachmann can compet on price with Accuruscale it's just down to personal choice.
Waiting for my 012 deluxe for my Scottish layout. Fortunately after a lot of research I don't *think*it ever wore ploughs as I agree with you about the one piece. Cost wise, a standard model plus sound fitting by the excellent coastal DCC and you're pretty much in the £300 mark anyway. Very informative video as usual. Merry Xmas.
Great review Dave. I would like to see one of these live before I decide to purchase. I also have 47 001 and 47 163 in which I am very happy with both. Though 47 163 with the Union Jack has a slight body lean. Will be interesting in comparison with the New Heljan Class 47 due for release soon?
Cheers. Looking at the pre production versions of the Heljan one I don’t think Bachmann have anything to worry about. But it will be interesting to see it. Yes the 163 is a bit wobbly on its bogies
Good review, thank you. And all with no unhealthy obsession with sproong boofers.
Ah forgot to mention them lol
They even managed to fit snowploughs to the bufferbeam on the new tooling class 20...
Exactly! So I’m bemused by this basic one piece nem effort!
Thanks for a great review of this locomotive. I only have a few diesels as I mostly model steam, but if I were to get a diesel, this would be way too expensive for me. I would be scared to run it! Have a great Christmas and New Year. Look forward to seeing how you progress in 2022. Roy.
Sadly I cant offer an opinion on the comparisons as I'm not a modeller but that sounds really pricey, especially given previous ones arent a great deal different. However if I was of the fraternity and as a fellow 47 fan, I dont know if I could say no to a 47, especially with a domino headbox. I can say, I thoroughly enjoyed the sound and the video as usual was excellent. Thank you for sharing. Have a Great Xmas and ofcourse Hogmanay too Dave.
Cheers Mickey. All the best.
To be honest I'm not sure if cab details are important. It seems reviewers mention cab details and how impressive they are so I think maybe it is important 🤔, then cost, does it really add a lot more cost to the model?? Good review as per usual.
I get what you’re saying. It’s seems that details we don’t really see are becoming an ‘essential’ when it comes to new models. The same can be argued for under frame detail that can’t be seen unless you lift the model to look.
I think companies are now in a ‘detail arms race’ to better their models to steal a march on their competition. But the downside is a higher price to pay for the consumer.
Years ago (I believe bachmann, but I may be wrong) asked its customer based whether they wanted their models to remain with the same detail for similar prices. Or wanted higher spec models, but those would come at a price.
The rivet counters in the hobby (who shout the loudest) demanded more detail! The companies delivered on that, and now some of the same modellers who wanted all the detail now complain at the prices!
Certainly a stunning model. Fits in well to its surroundings
Just bought the freightliner version top spect plus weathered for £259 the bargains are out there.
Great review Dave nice looking model probably a bit to rich for my pockets but that's not to say a few weeks of saving I would not go out and get one has I always remember seeing the swallow livery 47 doing services though Leicester with the mk 2s and the railfreight Distribution 47 on the car transportation. Obviously not much difference between the both models. Merry Christmas to you and family 🎄
Great review again the old model still stands up against the new one also I think you are one of the best on RUclips
Cheers Neil, glad you enjoy it. All the best.
Excellent video
Hi Dave
Great video, I wondered how the new model would compare with Bachmanns previous version and it came out very well but they may have moved the model forward they have certainly shifted the price. Its not something I personally will buy, I like good sound and a good representation of the loco and the old models I have are superb runners and like yourself I won't be trading them for the new one.
I'm looking forward now to seeing the Accurascale Deltic and Heljan Peak, still expensive in my opinion but no where near this. Most people can't justify this cost, its an extravagant purchase. I prefer to trawl ebay for a bargain.
Cheers Paul 👍
What a stunning loco Dave. Cheers Onno.
Not keen on the cab front glazing, not from the point of view of the tint but, particularly on the left hand window when you are doing the comparison at 9:14 there is a real prismatic effect round the bottom and right hand side of the window, I assume due to the thickness of the 'glass'.
A good review, I worked on the full size locos for 40 years . the ultimate touch for me would be operating rad shutters. what to you think ?
That might push the price up even more! Ones that could be poised either open or shut would be good, but again…£££! I think it’s the best we are going to get in OO gauge detail.
I have D1500, not sure which of the 2 versions this is. I may be tempted by the deluxe version if they do 727 in Caledonian Sleeper livery (because if I get one, why not go full out), but otherwise I wouldn't bother with the new release because it's so expensive and the older models are good enough.
I'm actually buying more lima 47s again, with an EWS one currently in the post, because I can work on them like adding DCC sockets and painting the wipers black and suchlike, and I like collecting different liveries of the same types.
Fair looks the part. I doubt £1m has been spent solely to produce a class 47 , in that the platform / mechanics etc will find a home on a class 56/69 at some point.
I would imagine so yes. And maybe a new 37?!!
Be a shame for Cavalex if they do produce a 56. But Bachmann have been playing quite a canny game with the quarterly announcements so far. Can’t see a new 37 being far off, I think Hornby have all but given up with diesels , quite happy to live off the far of the land & you do wonder how long before Bachmann set about a class 31 , or a class 50. As Bachmann stated Rolls Royce models at Rolls Royce prices. The 47 is still cheaper than a Marklin / Trix 66 & the ESU equivalent. Only downer I have with the new models are the lousy couplings they fit, all that effort into the fiddlies & they keep persisting with those awful tension locks. You don’t pay 345 euros for a Marklin loco to then have to buy better couplings. Don’t know why they can’t supply as a spare a bogie minus the nem pocket so as to take a full 1 piece snowplough fitting that screws / locates on the underside of the chassis. As much as I like doing up / detailing up the old Lima gear , I do object to having to take a craft blade to the new models to remove the nem fitting / alter things just seems to defeat the object of the higher spec models.
Hi Dave anther great video mate I do like he new Bachmann class47 locos but they are a bit out side my price range at the moment so I will stay with my old Bachmann class47 locos mate merry Christmas from clive in N Ireland
The situation for these is like me with the Hatton's 66, its a great model but it suffered from quality control issues (which I still need to rectify on the three i have). I still have Bachmann class 66's that do the job brilliantly and are solid models. But in this case if Hatton's sort the quality control issues their model will be a seriously tempting prospect.
The issue is that fine detail is not robust by its nature. You either have railroad stuff that's bullet proof or detailed items that you have to concede may need a tad of glue now and again.
Yup great review Dave, totally agree about the Snow Ploughs, pity they didn't do the same as the new Class 20 and mounted them straight to the Bufferbeam. Wont be buying any of this batch, will wait for more recent liveries..Looks a great model though, but just to echo other comments, pricey!!
Yeah crazy that they have not done a moving fan on the 20, and get the snowplough spot on, and on the 47 it’s the other way around.
@@DeanPark looking forward to the Heljan 47, could be interesting, have got one ordered at my local shop.
TMC Cl47 Tinsley sound fitted and weathered £227.
Great video and review Dave. I think the prices are getting a bit ridiculous. I just think that they are pushing their luck now.
Aye that seems to be a common thread. If it wasn’t a class 47 I’d prob not bother.
The problem is that the customers think that it's a cheap process to manufacture models and that the prices are injust greed by the companies making them. In reality they are costing more and more to produce and with profit requirements being nibbled off at every point in the manufacturing process by each company involved, these margins add up which eventually has to be reflected in the price of the finished model.
My favourite locomotive I really do have over 70 all makes and have 11 Bachmann models £350 wow can I justify number 76 it will have to just one bit maybe just the entry level as I don’t have Dcc ,another great video Dave ,merry Christmas to you and family ,all the best Mark 🤶🏻🧑🎄🎅🏼
Cheers Mark, merry Christmas 🎄
I have 004, 012, 375 and 828 as the basic versions on order. The sound and de luxe versions are just too much. From what vive seen, it feels like the improvements over the previous version is greater than the sum of the parts. Yes, the previous one is still very good; I have approaching 90 of them so won't be moving them on anytime soon. As modellers, we are always asking for more and better quality. This delivers, at a variety of prices, so take your pick.
Wow Gotta get myself 2 of those!
I think that’s a lot considering it’s 00 scale I collect American O scale and for an O scale engine your looking at that price after import taxes
Great overview of the model Dave, it’s good to hear some positive aspects on this model for once, the announcement video just had people moaning that bachmann had retooled an existing locomotive, bet these same people would moan if bachmann hadn’t done anything, to me it looks brilliant and it is something that I would be willing to buy in the future, features like the working fans is brilliant and bachmann have done working fans far better than hornby did years ago as I remember hornby used rubber bands and it made the locomotives not run smoothly, working fans is brilliant feature and it is something that should be fitted as standard to more diesel locomotives, when you were asking if we need all this detail my answer to you is yes we do need this detail, we’re into a new decade now and we can do a lot more now than we could do years ago and things are advancing and getting better all the time secondly people want the detail on models now, as for price yes it is expensive but at the end of the day we are getting a lot of features included on a model and it is showing that bachmann can be a good company and that can still produce a great model especially with other manufacturers also making their own products.
I agree with clipperrail, about having a basic version, at say the £150-170 mark. I think that while this is a very nice model, I think Bachmann have made it too luxurious, and not left a budget one in place. As regards the sound, and possible detail, it'll be interesting to compare this to the Hornby 47712, in Scotrail blue stripe livery, at £99, due for release in 2022 as a web exclusive item, for comparison.
There should be no real comparison with the hornby sound and this new bachmann. With 25+ sound functions this new 47, the hornby TTS will be basic
It'll blow the Hornby offering clean out of the water in every department. However, value for money wise, the Hornby TTS 47s are excellent for those on a budget. Smart move again, Margate.
@@neilsansom7363 Is it? As the hobby moves to expecting the level of quality provided by Accurascale and Bachmann, is it good to be associated with models like the Hornby 66. A poor update of one of Lima's not great models from 25 years ago?
It's bottom feeding. Look how Audi and BMW are dominating, because people aspire. Whether that's right or wrong, justifiable or unjustifiable, we aspire to 'better'.
Hornby is satisfied with cheapest crap out the door first. For that amongst many other crimes, I wouldn't darken their door again.
He's "selling happiness". Well, it's certainly not quality anyway.
@@kellypaws Not disagreeing with you. Its a broad church with different depth of pockets. Use to get multiples of locos when they came out for renumbering. Won't be doing that any more given the price rises of late.
I have to say I always thought the cab insides - and the wipers outside - really spoilt the previous model.
For some reason I DO always notice Diesel cab interiors, but maybe it's just me.
The cab is an improvement, no doubt. But I rarely peer in 😆
Amazed they never did a standard blue with silver roof stratford 47.....i think many will brnefit from those offloading their last gen 47 models as they remain good enough. I would just wire up for engine room lighting.
I don’t think or see evidence of mass offloading of previous models. As the new one is visually extremely similar.
it's probably just me but the yellow cab ends look really plasticky which is odd. Really nice to see companies now spending time making nice interior cab details and proper handrails
It’s the painted finish is superior on the new one, a deep luster to the paint.
yes, it was odd, as soon as I looked at it the cab plastic just stood out straight away but not sure why. Loved the interior cab detail, although the inclusion of a driver in the accessories bag would have been nice
Nice review a couple of points if you could comment on please Dave hard to see from the filming can you turn off the tail lights when hauling a train via DCC or is it still the silly little switch set up under the battery boxes, now to the don’t like bits really poor mould finish between cab front and side windows can clearly see that line in the yellow paint work also the builders plates look like an after thought to me if the brand it as DELUXE the photo etching would but much better. In MY opinion is it worth well over £300 then no but as I say my opinion only.
You can switch tail lights independently. There are still switches under for DC users, but they are tiny! And recessed into the fuel tanks!
Great video Dave, surely there are more locos crying out for investment than this :-) when as you say the earlier one has been done to great effect 😕
Yes, I’d have loved to see the 08, 37, 45 and even the mk2a coaches being addressed
Before the 47, but I suspect bachmann got wind of the Heljan 47 and answered the challenge. The class 20 and 24 needed a refresh, but perhaps the ‘old’ 47 could have soldiered on for a while longer with great success.
@@DeanPark Accurascales are also doing a 37 I gather, but there are still models either under represented or still not fully available like the Class 81-84, the 89 also ..
Got two of the older ones and very happy with them. If they have several pricepoints through the range they should have given us a model without the gimmicks tor about £150 - I’d have probably taken a few as the range increases, but £200 way too much for the base model. I’m off to run my 2 older ones, my wallet has a big smile.
What “gimmicks”? I’m not aware of any gimmicks, just a very realistic and playable model.
both look good was looking at buying 2 but the price has put me off. i already have 4 class 47s all in good condition.so think i will just stick with the ones i have. the cost of the hobby i think is getting out of hand now
One thing you didn't mention on the details, and one that I've always been critical with the older 47... is the angled framework on the sides behind the bufferbeam cowling.
Until this model, Bachmann's plastic chassis was based on the old R.S Carter drawings, which were pretty good, but had a far too steep angle than the prototype... so it was an error that Bachmann replicated.
This new model has fixed that problem, and look much better.
The battery-box/fuel tank area looks really amazing... far better than a clip-on box.
All good stuff!
Have not been on for a couple of months. Can I ask when did the Channel change name? I was sure it was called" Dave class 47" Am i mistaken or is it a case of Mandella effect , lol?
It was changed to be in line with the layout name. While I still am ‘daveclass47’ the channel is now Dean park model railway. Just to make it easier for people to find.
Great review Dave but question for ya. Sound fitted loco’s are great and obviously running during making of a video makes good viewing but if you’re just “ playing “ trains running multiple locos do you run with or without sound as would imagine noise would be off putting? Interested to hear other modellers views on this 🤷♂️
Oh if you’ve more than one or two sound locos on it gets right on your nerves! I wouldn’t bother with sound usually… but this is the only way that I could get to see the fancy glazing and moving roof fans.
Sound is nasty! It spoils a model rather than enhances it!
@@steveluckhurst2350 I guess you haven't heard Accurascale's Class 55, that will change your mind.
@@sapphirejunction8993 I doubt it! The closer we try to replicate reality, the more obvious it becomes that we cannot!
I'm of an age where I can remember the 55s in service. You feel those engines rather than hear them!
If we go for realistic engine sounds, what about the noises that their loads made? Loose coupled wagons tightening up to the click clack of coaches, it's just not possible!
@@steveluckhurst2350 then go have a listen of their Class 55 and come back to me.
I would just love to have one as a christmas present but I very much dout thats going to happan
Please tell me the tail lamps can be turned off via the controller at the push of a button. It's almost 2022 and that's still not a standard feature!
Yes they can. :-)
Let's wait for the Heljan one which is £17 cheaper at £187 as opposed to £204 for DCC ready
I suspect it won’t be as good, having seen the pre production samples. There are also lots of issues if you read the forums. But we will wait and see.
The windscreens just don’t look right. It sort looks a bit like the old Farish Poole tooling 47 from some angles in the video. The cab door window and cab side window are better. It will be interesting to see how the new Heljan 4mm Class 47 compares once released. Also a comparison with the ViTrains 47 would be interresting. In my personal opinion the ViTrains 47 wasn’t a bad model, and had details difference even capturing traditional as built filament bulb taillights versus the LED tail lights fitted to RES life extension 47/7. Also no options for drop in P4 or EM wheelsets, which Accurascale offer is poor. On price, now it’s £200+ for a DCC Ready model it’s just too much for my pocket.
Nearly had a SPAD there, should be stopping a loco length short of a Red 😂
I did say the brake function wasnt very responsive! 😆
For me it's a nice model but it's not that much nicer than the outgoing model and the incredible price has put me off. I'll be buying model class 47s on the secondhand market
I’m glad it’s not shown up the previous model, as I’ve a lot of them and didn’t fancy having loads of ‘old’ ones sitting around looking out of date beside the new ones. Both will sit very happily alongside each other.
Hi Dave. I have to say, you covered this loco well. It is slightly more expensive but, I will be purchasing it, and we'll see beyond that? It ran & sounded brilliant. Take care and Merry Christmas to you too Cheers 🧑🎄 Iain. ps. My settings have been changed on my pc, it used to be MM, don't let mates "fix" your computer for you 🙄 😂
I sincerely hope your happy with your purchase - because ,yes, its really (??) worth the extortionate cost and its a totally justifiable bargain at the price of around £300 then when you consider you can get a Accurascale Deltic at about half the RRP which runs just as well and is built to a far higher standard !! a fool and their money are soon parted !! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
is the sound blue 47 by bachman available in the uk ?
Yes the standard sound version of this model is still available.
@@DeanPark thanks
16:48 Dean Park meets CarWow!
Car wow copy me 😆
Bachmann have produced very limited runs of the deluxe models to ensure prices stay very high and some modellers who pre-order won't get them as orders to some shops have been reduced. Not a very good way to treat it's customers.
Most retail at £314. I pre ordered one from a well know shop, at the start when they were announced. I now see the remaining deluxe one available is now up significantly!
I think they shall do future runs of the deluxe models… as I think they were just testing the market with these smaller runs.
Good review but I dont believe Bachmanns claim about spending £1 million for new tooling of this model for instance tweek the mold for the body, does it have the same motors & gearing...& chassis block, looks like new bogies & underframe details etc...they may have accumulated £ 1 million in research & development & tooling etc since they produced their 1st 47 to this one.
Snow ploughs are a big let down.the original 3 piece are very good shame they got rid of them
it looks great, but out of my price range sadly
Not for me, way to expensive. Should keep the old one.
I for one don't want and never asked for working roof fans, tinted front cab windows. I do like the better inside detail(s) of the cabs. But still wish they had a driver figure. But I guess that can sometimes look odd when the loco is running the other way, so the driver is at the back, as for the price............ even the standard one is a litttle too much for my liking! It is not as complicated to model as a steam loco. And the ones I already have are fine.
Yup the current ones are still excellent models! If you’d told me in 2012 when I was buying new 47’s for £70 that 9 years later I’d be buying the same models at £314 I’d have choked!
hi its ok, but too much money, will keep the hornby one PrinceWilliam, it does the job at 70 pounds
Radius of the marker box and how far back the glass or marker panel sits seem a bit off and the front glazing makes the windowframes look a bit wrong.
And yet another model for the "collectors with deep pockets only" shelf. £300 is a pisstake. Let's not forget that we are talking about a hobby that used to begin at this time of year, boys getting train sets for Christmas and then adding to it as time went on, those days are long gone. The manufacturers are killing this hobby with their stupid greedy pricing and marketing policy of selling out virtually as soon as all the pre-orders have been honoured. it's about time they realised the age group of the majority of their customers, because in about 20 years most of them will be dead, who are they going to rip off then.
Yes it’s a top end hobby now. But boys and girls at Christmas can still get models, rail road etc. is a great way to get kids into the hobby.
But I do worry where we are going. Higher living cost, squeezed budgets and at the same time significantly increasing prices. It’s a sign of the times.
Perhaps realignments of the world economy are needed and less reliance on China! There are cheaper markets out there, that perhaps need to be explored to reduce production costs. Isn’t it China who are taking some
Of the p*ss and Not just the companies?
I never understand this argument . Model trains have always been a discretionary purchase - even in 1980 they’d cost a fair percentage of a weeks wages. They set a profit margin and try to achieve it - these things have taken a million pounds development and that takes a lot of recouping.
@@robd2184 Why put shed loads of detail on a model that won't even be seen. I recently retired after 52 years in retailing and marketing so I know how these things work. Why do you think that Hornby have the word "Collector" on their packaging, they are not bothered about bringing new people into the hobby, that's why they dropped the Thomas range. They could easily expand the "railroad range" and offer an entry level price, but they won't. There's a common trait in retailing that goes along the lines of "why sell 10 of a product for £10 each, when you you can sell 5 at £20", As I said in my earlier comment the average age group of railway modellers will not be around forever, and with very few new ones coming through, the manufacturers need to take a very hard look at where their markets will come from.
@@suffolkpompey , because you are paying for it to look like the real thing - otherwise just sell brio wooden trainsets at a tenner a go . i've looked on several of my red and yellow boxes but can't see " collector " written anywhere , although of course this is part of their market , as it is for bachmann - however if i was purely a collector i wouldn't shell out for rotating fans or sound would you ?
Do you work on trains for a living ?
Hi, no, but Sometimes I wish i did lol
Thanks for the reply. You have an interesting channel.
I used to spot a lot of these back in the 80’s, it’s probably just my eyes, but to me the front end just doesn’t look right, and nor does the colour. Irrelevant really though, since I would never be able to afford even the basic model.
Interesting. I compared it to my colour images and I’ve a few photos from back in the day. What do you think didn’t look right?
@@DeanPark it’s just my first feeling looking at the model. I can’t really put my finger on it. But I bow to your experience. I can see you are impressed, and that’s good enough for me. Shame about the price though. That will put it beyond the reach of many.
after seeing just what superior quality Accurascale can produce with their Deltic and for roughly half the cost of a Bachmann 47 - my money WILL stay firmly in my wallet - their is NO WAY I will be paying this extortionate price and feeding Bachmann,s greed !!
Accurascale announced the price of their Deltics in 2018/19 and honoured that price through a pandemic and cost of living crisis.
I suspect when they do a rerun of this model it will be significantly more expensive. So despite the bachmann one being expensive, I think the accurascale wont be far behind in terms of cost.
A sound fitted Deltic £250, a sound fitted class 47 at £289. Next release of Deltic won’t be far off this!
The price difference between the two manufacturers is only the way it is due to accurascale honouring pre order prices.
@@DeanPark we will have to wait and see - but im not totally convinced ! the new Bachmann example of a 47 is STILL way overpriced for what it is- it wont be too long before were being asked to part with £400 for a loco !!
That price is totally obscene and is a deterrent to young people trying to get into the hobby.
I will stick with used DC.
Och Aye
It is expensive..but being a big fan of the 47…I couldn’t help myself. :-)